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Speaker 3: Huh day, We are back with another episode of Hanging
Speaker 3: with the Boys. With the live look at the Tostitos
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Speaker 4: Where you at? Dak?
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 4: Fellas?
Speaker 5: How's your mentals?
Speaker 4: Howd you dentals in place? Brood to see you? I mean,
Speaker 4: we gotta round ourselves up, me and you, Chris, I know,
Speaker 4: I know, Shannon, we gotta you know, we gotta gather ourselves.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Chris, be what's going on
Speaker 5: back there? Man? How your mentals and dentals?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 6: We're doing Man, We're just craking out podcasts once a day.
Speaker 6: It's like a freight train that just goes and goes
Speaker 6: in there wall.
Speaker 3: That must be cool for you because you don't have
Speaker 3: as much work throughout the day.
Speaker 6: I went down to the training table yesterday and the
Speaker 6: ladies like, would you like it to go or you're
Speaker 6: gonna need to hear, And for the first time in
Speaker 6: about a year, I said, all you need to hear.
Speaker 4: What you said?
Speaker 3: You went down to the to the training to the
Speaker 3: training room. I thought you was the training tables, though
Speaker 3: I know I thought you were saying, you go down
Speaker 3: to get in the workouts that you have some time.
Speaker 6: See if someone was on time today, they probably could
Speaker 6: have got breakfast.
Speaker 5: No, I would have got break I'm still fasted.
Speaker 3: I'm still a couple of shakes down there for they
Speaker 3: probably do all right. Man, a lot to get into.
Speaker 3: We got some family affair situation. Where do the Cowboys
Speaker 3: go next? What the future looks like for the Dallas Cowboys?
Speaker 4: How can this.
Speaker 3: Team improve in twenty twenty four flash five? But I
Speaker 3: don't think we talked about this ship. I think while
Speaker 3: we were away, the Cowboys came to a decision and
Speaker 3: they said, old.
Speaker 5: Freaking Mike's coming back back.
Speaker 3: Said Micha McCarthy, you're gonna come back for the final
Speaker 3: year of your contract. We go, as the young people say,
Speaker 3: we're gonna run this thing back. We're gonna spend the
Speaker 3: block and run this thing back one more time.
Speaker 5: So here's what I want to know. Both of you.
Speaker 5: Give me a pro and a con of bringing.
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy back as your head coach of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: A pro and a con. I'm gonna start with Kurt first.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a minute to think I'm gonna
Speaker 3: give you a second to think.
Speaker 7: I got to pros a pro and the con well,
Speaker 7: you keep that continuity, continuous whatever.
Speaker 6: Sorry, he is a writer, by the way.
Speaker 5: I'm not a speaker, though, write it out.
Speaker 4: I'm okay.
Speaker 8: But they keep you know, they're building the Texas Coast
Speaker 8: offense and they kind of keep that offensive side of
Speaker 8: the ball. They kind of can keep that train moving,
Speaker 8: you know. So hopefully that's a good thing, especially with
Speaker 8: with Dak obviously still in the picture.
Speaker 3: That if you don't feel like there's a con and
Speaker 3: you don't have to say a comedy.
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I mean the con is well, it's
Speaker 8: just you know, you're he's selling the fan base on
Speaker 8: a one year you know, he's got one year left,
Speaker 8: and you know you've got to think that, you know,
Speaker 8: looking at it right now, the odds of him returning is,
Speaker 8: you know, it's probably on the low lower side right now,
Speaker 8: just won't face what's what's ahead. So you know it's
Speaker 8: better to boy, rip off the band aid and start
Speaker 8: new now or do you give it another year and
Speaker 8: hope for the best.
Speaker 4: So I'm with you, may another year for him and
Speaker 4: Dak to build. So when they get to the playoffs,
Speaker 4: they can have a better situation, you know, so he'll
Speaker 4: you know, we won't have to worry about a slow
Speaker 4: start next year because Dak will understand this offense. Things
Speaker 4: will roll and things will click, you know, so as
Speaker 4: long as we do some minor adjustments. But you'll probably
Speaker 4: get to that. And my con is this right here,
Speaker 4: will the players truly respond? This is? This is what
Speaker 4: bothers me is. We did a pregame show and we
Speaker 4: had Stephen Jones and I think we spoke on this.
Speaker 4: We had him here and we were sitting right next
Speaker 4: to him and he said, the players said, we love
Speaker 4: Mike in the way he prepares us. This is the CEO.
Speaker 4: You heard the coach saying, Hey, this is not about me,
Speaker 4: this is about the players. The players are relatively silent
Speaker 4: the whole week. We're getting prepared for green Bay, no
Speaker 4: mistake about it. We're getting prepared for green Bay. So
Speaker 4: with all of that, are they and listening to Mic?
Speaker 4: That is my coun And maybe it's a pro, maybe
Speaker 4: it's gun. Are they really gonna understand? You don't? It
Speaker 4: don't matter next year? And Jesse, I'll be rap me
Speaker 4: on me. You'll be on the same train. You'll be
Speaker 4: at the head of the train and I'll be in
Speaker 4: the komboost pushing it. We don't want to hear your
Speaker 4: regular season. We don't care if you ten and seven,
Speaker 4: make the playoffs and do something. You know, that's my
Speaker 4: that's my space.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 3: I think we're all kind of in the same circle
Speaker 3: when it comes to the pros. I guess just having
Speaker 3: that same voice, right, because if you decided that you
Speaker 3: were going to move away from Mike McCarthy, that that
Speaker 3: in essence will be Dak talking about now playing for
Speaker 3: his fourth offensive coordinator, right, because he had Jason Garrett first,
Speaker 3: then it was Kelling Moore, then it was now Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 3: And if you moved away from him, you were essentially
Speaker 3: going to bring someone else in here that would have
Speaker 3: been the fourth voice, and whoever three years, certain three
Speaker 3: years and whoever else they would bring in as far
Speaker 3: as the quarterback coach. So there's a there's a number
Speaker 3: of things when it comes to the coaching aspect, the
Speaker 3: teaching aspect of it, and just trying to have the
Speaker 3: same message, right, like like your message is the same
Speaker 3: And I know people are going to say that because Mike.
Speaker 3: One of his messages was that we have a championship program,
Speaker 3: we just haven't supplied the championships yet. People didn't like that,
Speaker 3: But I do think there is something to be said
Speaker 3: about having that same consistency and continuity throughout, especially at
Speaker 3: the quarterback position. And I know sometimes we only think quarterback,
Speaker 3: but hell, if your quarterback ain't right, you can flush
Speaker 3: the rest of everything else that's on there.
Speaker 5: I think the con is for me is when you
Speaker 5: have a.
Speaker 3: Guy on a one year deal, like do you get
Speaker 3: everything from everybody? Because if I'm an assistant coach and
Speaker 3: I know that this coach has a one year deal
Speaker 3: and things don't start off you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: we don't start off red hot.
Speaker 5: Now where's my attention? Am I am? I looking over
Speaker 5: here and saying, but what other jobs may be available?
Speaker 3: It's on college I like, I'm mighty jump into like
Speaker 3: what like what is this thing going to look like
Speaker 3: going forward? And even in this off season, right you
Speaker 3: may have some assistance that are looking around and saying
Speaker 3: where is the longevity?
Speaker 5: Because that's the that's the issue with.
Speaker 3: Being an assistant You're always tied and your job security
Speaker 3: is always tied to the head coach right, or to
Speaker 3: that defensive coordingt office courting, whoever brought you in.
Speaker 5: So when they go most of the time, you go.
Speaker 3: So in the off season and as we're preparing for
Speaker 3: all of this is where are the focus of the people?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Where is everyone's focus at?
Speaker 3: And I think that can be a con because now
Speaker 3: guys are starting to looking around, especially those guys who
Speaker 3: potentially are going to sign long term deals this offseason
Speaker 3: or draft picks. I start looking at now with saying,
Speaker 3: you know what, coach, you only got a one year deal.
Speaker 3: Basically you're sitting on one year deal. So what you're saying,
Speaker 3: and I just signed a new five year deal or
Speaker 3: I signed this deal, I signed that deal.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be here. Do I have to listen to you?
Speaker 8: I wondered about that if as players, you know, they
Speaker 8: talk about lame duck coach or now extension is that
Speaker 8: a thing?
Speaker 4: It is? But not every coach, these guys when you
Speaker 4: this is what I feel you you cannot, as the Joneses,
Speaker 4: get rid of Mike McCarthy and you can hire the
Speaker 4: next guy or whatever, but he is not gonna be
Speaker 4: sitting in his office feeling real comfortable even if you
Speaker 4: signed him to a four year deal, unless you have
Speaker 4: assured him that I can start bringing in my guys.
Speaker 4: So I feel like it's right here. These guys over here,
Speaker 4: these coaches, they like they tied to this guy, and
Speaker 4: they gonna they're gonna be given all they got. The
Speaker 4: thing is, will the players eighty eight digs Michael like, man,
Speaker 4: come on, man, yeah, yeah, what you're gonna do? Right?
Speaker 4: You know you got one year, bro, what you gonna do?
Speaker 4: Like Jimmy told up one time, like I made shine
Speaker 4: and sign my contract to y'all if y'all sign y'all.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna be away after a whole lot of y'all.
Speaker 4: You know. So I'm with you. But I don't think
Speaker 4: them coaches over I think them coaches gonna be on
Speaker 4: the grind because yeah, oh yeah, I think these coaches
Speaker 4: over there gonna be on the grind. I really do,
Speaker 4: because I would not want to walk into a situation
Speaker 4: as a head coach because the next head coach you
Speaker 4: pull into this place, you you can't guarantee all them wins.
Speaker 4: That ain't gonna work no more. MacArthur and did three
Speaker 4: twelve and fives. You're gonna have to offer these fans
Speaker 4: and mister Jones them the great market that they are,
Speaker 4: knowing that we can't sell. We guarantee you twelve and
Speaker 4: five in the first round exit. You know, we get
Speaker 4: that anyway. That's what the fans are believe or not.
Speaker 4: We can get that anyway. They want two things. The
Speaker 4: fans that I've been listening to, and I know you've
Speaker 4: been listening to, and you've probably been writing about, we
Speaker 4: don't want to hear no more. Get rid of the
Speaker 4: head coach. They mad because the coach then kept me
Speaker 4: calling mister Jones. You kept McCarthy. They mad about that,
Speaker 4: and they mad that you kept that. You strapped with
Speaker 4: both of them, whether you want them or not.
Speaker 8: You were like with wayde Phillips in twenty ten. You
Speaker 8: went through that and you went through it probably with
Speaker 8: Barry Switzerland. I mean, so you both experienced I guess
Speaker 8: teams just players. It's just like, no, we had it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think. I think when you're winning, everything is
Speaker 5: easy to deal with.
Speaker 3: It's in that moment of adversity, right, It's in that
Speaker 3: And when you look at kind of foreshadowing the schedule
Speaker 3: next year, the Cowboys will have a pretty difficult schedule
Speaker 3: this year, Like, ain't.
Speaker 4: No pretty difficult difficult.
Speaker 3: It's a difficult schedule next year, right, and if trend continues,
Speaker 3: playing against the tougher opponents, the Cowboys didn't farewell.
Speaker 5: Whether that be home allway.
Speaker 3: So when you look at that, you think, boy, if
Speaker 3: that if that boat gets a little bit rocky. I
Speaker 3: ain't talking about the two hundred and fifty feet fifty feet,
Speaker 3: I ain't talking about that boat, you know, the yard yacht.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the thing and getting a little rocky
Speaker 5: in the building.
Speaker 3: Do players start now, because that's what happened with Wade
Speaker 3: when things got a little bit shaky. God start picking sides.
Speaker 3: God start picking self God start being selfish.
Speaker 4: The elevator kind of was burning up and down going
Speaker 4: to see mister Jones. Yeah, oh I saw a joke.
Speaker 4: I saw it, bro, that's not a joke.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a joke.
Speaker 4: That Tuesday, I should be sitting looking certain player going
Speaker 4: up and down. He's like, wow, yeah, yeah, why is
Speaker 4: he got you know he got he got a personal
Speaker 4: fitness plays right over here. Why he ain't going to fit?
Speaker 5: It's it can be that way. All right, Let's take
Speaker 5: our first break of the show.
Speaker 3: When we come back, a little bit of family drama,
Speaker 3: A little bit of family drama happening in the Cowboys
Speaker 3: locker room. We'll discuss it, and we'll we'll talk about
Speaker 3: will this have a lasting, longing effect on the upcoming
Speaker 3: season for your Dallas Cowboys.
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Speaker 2: Back to Hanging with the Bulls.
Speaker 5: Welcome back to Hanging with the Boys.
Speaker 3: On this Wednesday hump Day edition, we continue to break
Speaker 3: down all things Cowboy related. And when I mean related,
Speaker 3: I do mean related. As we said before we went
Speaker 3: into the break, the Cowboys have a little bit.
Speaker 5: Of family drama going on.
Speaker 3: As the World turned you talk about a soap opera,
Speaker 3: you talk about all my children, General Hospital or some
Speaker 3: of the old school right, like all the old school
Speaker 3: stories as.
Speaker 4: My grandmother's the world.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as the World turns that my grandmother and my
Speaker 5: moms used.
Speaker 4: To watch.
Speaker 5: Sidebar. I was named after one of the stars. His
Speaker 5: name was Jesse. I think it was General Hospital.
Speaker 4: All my children, his.
Speaker 5: Name was Jesse.
Speaker 3: He was a tall, dark and handsome brother, and my
Speaker 3: mom loves to show and loved.
Speaker 5: Him and named me Jesse after him.
Speaker 3: But as the drama continues, I was named after a
Speaker 3: drama figure, and I'm hosting and around drama figures in
Speaker 3: the Cowboys locker room. In this past weekend, a little
Speaker 3: bit of family drama. We had three of the Cowboys'
Speaker 3: best players, relatives, a mom and two brothers, makes some
Speaker 3: pretty striking and interesting comments towards other players and other organizations.
Speaker 5: City Lambs. His mother had a litany of Facebook post
Speaker 5: from Facebook I don't even know people still.
Speaker 14: Looked at it, uh and went on and I'm paraphrasing here,
Speaker 14: so please don't don't don't chop me down, but basically
Speaker 14: said that Ceedee Lamb's quarterback sucks and you know, basically, hey.
Speaker 3: There's people out there, uh huh, go to Houston. There
Speaker 3: are guys out there who want to win, want to win.
Speaker 3: We're gonna win a ring and if you ain't really
Speaker 3: about that, then you should go. And so the brother
Speaker 3: of the quarterback he responded, and it will say like basically,
Speaker 3: you know, everyone's texting me, tweeting me, emailing me, all
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: And he's saying, if.
Speaker 3: It was up to me, if it was my choice,
Speaker 3: my brother would be gone. He would be out of here.
Speaker 3: Y'all don't deserve him. He's better than this d D
Speaker 3: DA DA, but it's not my decision. He loves the
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys and he'll be here. And then to top
Speaker 3: it all off, your best defensive player. Michael Parsons also
Speaker 3: has a brother, and his brother went on a social
Speaker 3: media rant and he was talking about, Yeah, man, cowboys
Speaker 3: are kind of trying to sabotage my brother, playing him
Speaker 3: out a position, trying not to pay him the things
Speaker 3: that he needs to be.
Speaker 5: You know, plass.
Speaker 3: He needs to be playing to get the money that
Speaker 3: he deserves. And you know y'all will miss him when
Speaker 3: he's gone. I'll start with you, Nate, because not only
Speaker 3: have you played in this league and been around this
Speaker 3: league for a long time, you too had a brother
Speaker 3: that played in this league, but also had family members
Speaker 3: that was watching this thing. Now, you didn't grow up
Speaker 3: in the social media era. You didn't grow up in
Speaker 3: the social media era. But but what do you? What
Speaker 3: do you say when you hear things like that?
Speaker 4: You know what? And I'm being brutally honest. I can
Speaker 4: be because with.
Speaker 3: Respect, because were always gonna respect people's relatives, especially.
Speaker 4: The momk Yes, brother, I love my mom and she
Speaker 4: could tell me to knock down brick wall and I
Speaker 4: can do it. But mammy, you messing with you, You
Speaker 4: stepping on the you know, you stepping where you don't belong.
Speaker 4: And man, Cede Lamb. He know me. I call CD
Speaker 4: sometimes I got a little contact and see CD. Please,
Speaker 4: you know, try to try to calm mom. Try to
Speaker 4: calm mom, because don't need it. Michael Parsons and them
Speaker 4: brothers out there, Dak, we don't need it. Man. This
Speaker 4: is a very delicate twelve and five team. It's delicate
Speaker 4: right now. All of you will receive your money. I
Speaker 4: promise you. They have no other choice but to pay you,
Speaker 4: all of you. So tell your family members our acts.
Speaker 7: No, no, no.
Speaker 4: The reason the reason I'm doing that because we have
Speaker 4: to do that for Kirk, because you know, you may
Speaker 4: want to get an interview sometimes, me and you, we're
Speaker 4: gonna go talk to him regardless. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I know what I said, and I'm writing what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 4: calm down. We're all a little tender right now. Just
Speaker 4: calm down, because you're not only gonna kind of shake
Speaker 4: your teammates up, you open your family up, to the
Speaker 4: to the fans. You know, not not only on this phone,
Speaker 4: but y'all show up at games. Even though you're in
Speaker 4: your special place. Fans can get ugly too, So that
Speaker 4: that's why I'm saying, protect your, protect you and yours.
Speaker 4: But now if you don't care, that's yeah, we'll we'll.
Speaker 4: You know, that's what generates our show, just stype content.
Speaker 8: I guess the underlying question, the assumption that everybody has
Speaker 8: is there's something deeper going on here that this is
Speaker 8: they're hearing this at the dinner table and there is
Speaker 8: a rift in the locker room. Is that true or
Speaker 8: just sometimes family just gets off on their own tangent.
Speaker 3: Whether it's true or not. Because of the close proximity,
Speaker 3: you might tend to believe it, right, because because we're
Speaker 3: not talking about third cousin distant removal on my mama
Speaker 3: father's side, right, We're talking about mama mother, right, We're
Speaker 3: talking about we know the relationship between Dak and his brother, right,
Speaker 3: like we know the closeness in which that is.
Speaker 5: And then the same thing with Micah.
Speaker 3: And then Micah, you know, to his credit, and I
Speaker 3: should say, to his agency's credit, Micah came and had
Speaker 3: a he put out a post and basically the posts
Speaker 3: again I'm paraphrase it.
Speaker 5: Basically, the post said, Terrence is terrence. I'm Micah.
Speaker 3: What he says does not it is not what I
Speaker 3: say you know, his thoughts and views are his own
Speaker 3: and mine on my own. Don't make us the same,
Speaker 3: which is hard, Which is very hard because I said
Speaker 3: this on my podcast. I said, three players that are
Speaker 3: in line to get major contracts if I if I
Speaker 3: was Stephen or mister Jones, when when the negotiation starts
Speaker 3: or when negotiation is ended and we have I should
Speaker 3: say when it starts. We have to have this conversation
Speaker 3: now because I have to say to you CD, I
Speaker 3: have to say to you Dak. I have to say
Speaker 3: to you Micah. I know you didn't say it, but Michah,
Speaker 3: do you feel like that? No, I need to hear
Speaker 3: from you now.
Speaker 5: So now, now.
Speaker 3: Micah now has to go in there and ask questions
Speaker 3: or be or answer questions from ownership and saying how
Speaker 3: close do you feel to what your brother said?
Speaker 8: How about other teammates?
Speaker 5: No, what I'm saying, I can guarantee you.
Speaker 3: There are private group chats and other singular text messages
Speaker 3: heading out to other players like yo, you've seen what
Speaker 3: so and so said? You see what so and so said?
Speaker 3: And again what ends up happening is losers forms and
Speaker 3: forming groups and so when you're not winning everybody then
Speaker 3: goes and forms in their own groups, and then it
Speaker 3: will come a point in time where this is just
Speaker 3: my belief. And we spoke about it on this show
Speaker 3: way back when I was probably one of the first
Speaker 3: people to say something not right with CD.
Speaker 11: Y'all.
Speaker 3: Remember I kept saying, I'm like, eh, body language is
Speaker 3: off to me. And then you heard the back and
Speaker 3: forth comments subiminately through the media, and then after a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks it was like, oh yeah, we finally
Speaker 3: talked he and Dak and we worked it out, and
Speaker 3: then they went on a tear But then after the
Speaker 3: last game, the Green Bay game, kind of saw that
Speaker 3: body language come and show his ugly head again. So, now,
Speaker 3: how is that conversation between quarterback and star receiver. At
Speaker 3: some point in time, they're going to have to get
Speaker 3: together for or a throwing session, right, So I said this,
Speaker 3: I said, as far as family members, we shouldn't we
Speaker 3: shouldn't know your name in this capacity.
Speaker 5: That's for sure, right, not with this kind of.
Speaker 3: We should know you like we we shouldn't know your
Speaker 3: name in this capacity. We should know you. Oh that
Speaker 3: CD mom, Oh yeah, that's that's that brother. That's that's
Speaker 3: so and so, but your name you should not be
Speaker 3: on our show. You should not be in the mouths
Speaker 3: of people in the media. And unless we're doing a
Speaker 3: special story about you, or you know, you did something
Speaker 3: that was so remarkable, we should not be talking about you.
Speaker 3: Your name should not be in the mouths of people
Speaker 3: in the media today.
Speaker 5: But yet here it is.
Speaker 3: And this is this also goes to and this I'm
Speaker 3: not saying this is unique to any organization, but this
Speaker 3: now goes back to that point where when it comes
Speaker 3: to the Cowboys, it's always something, it's always something. It's
Speaker 3: never just about football. It's never just about football. And
Speaker 3: I said that there was a there was a historic
Speaker 3: interview I think in the nineties. It was Minister Lewis
Speaker 3: Farrakhan and report of Mike Wallace, and I said, the
Speaker 3: best thing, because I'm trying to be respectful, the best
Speaker 3: thing that I take from that from that particular quote
Speaker 3: in that interview, and Jay Z use it in one
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Speaker 5: I think you should keep quiet. That's how I feel
Speaker 5: about the family members.
Speaker 3: He said, I think you should keep quiet, And that's
Speaker 3: how I feel I feel family members, brothers, mothers, wives, siblings.
Speaker 3: I think you especially on matters of organizational and team member.
Speaker 3: You could be a fan and say, oh, what a
Speaker 3: horrible call, Oh that was a bad play all we
Speaker 3: have to do.
Speaker 5: I'm fine with that. But when you start.
Speaker 3: Singling out the people who sign the checks and the
Speaker 3: teammates that these players have to deal with on a
Speaker 3: regular basis.
Speaker 5: I think you should keep one man. That's where it
Speaker 5: can get. That's what we're gonna make it worse. It's
Speaker 5: only gonna make it worse. Chris, do we have time
Speaker 5: for another segment? Or we end in here?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 4: You can go, we can go.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a quick break and let's come
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Speaker 3: we'll talk about a little bit well of where we
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Speaker 4: Enter today, back day Hanging with the Bulls.
Speaker 5: Welcome back to Hanging with the Boys.
Speaker 3: As we get into our third and final segment of
Speaker 3: the day, thank you guys so much.
Speaker 5: For join us.
Speaker 3: We always appreciate you being here on this kind of
Speaker 3: dreary hump day. I hope that we bring a little
Speaker 3: bit of joy and excitement.
Speaker 4: Probably bring in family matters.
Speaker 3: I think, you know what, I think I think our
Speaker 3: listeners relate to that. Maybe not on a magnitude where
Speaker 3: your family's tweets and Facebook posts get put on national media.
Speaker 3: But we got some family members that we we we
Speaker 3: we we are well versed shown. We got people from
Speaker 3: all over, from the real Grand Valley to the West coast,
Speaker 3: to Iowa to Idahoa, New to Kuwait. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: we got we got, we got our boy in France.
Speaker 5: Family drama happens everywhere.
Speaker 3: There's somebody somewhere who's like, Mama, why you go and
Speaker 3: tell Auntie so and so and so and so.
Speaker 5: I told you don't tell nobody or that somebody.
Speaker 3: Said, dad, man, why you gonna tell Grandpa that?
Speaker 5: So it's family drama all the way around. This is
Speaker 5: a part of the thing.
Speaker 3: But you know, we just can't have it and the
Speaker 3: Cowboys spectrum.
Speaker 5: All right, So now that we are.
Speaker 3: Well until the off feasing for the Cowboys, thought we
Speaker 3: were we thought that this would be the week we
Speaker 3: should be previewing the.
Speaker 5: Game right now. We should be.
Speaker 4: Podcast preview some game this weekend. They won't.
Speaker 5: They just won't.
Speaker 3: But today we're bringing down somebody's offense and somebody.
Speaker 4: But going forward, we would be going to the Boom
Speaker 4: Bock Boys. If we did our job, we'll be rocking
Speaker 4: against them Boom bock Boys. This week lost, but hey here,
Speaker 4: no one if we'd have got that fun.
Speaker 3: You know, one of the things I'm always fortunate and
Speaker 3: grateful for is the people that we have on this.
Speaker 5: Show, and and and Nate.
Speaker 3: This next topic kind of really lends to your expertise
Speaker 3: because you lived it, you are you were an integral
Speaker 3: part of it. And I think one of the biggest
Speaker 3: things that the fan band fan base gets so upset
Speaker 3: about today is it's always referenced back right, Jerry Jimmy
Speaker 3: Johnson got elected to the to the Cowboy Ring of
Speaker 3: Honor this year, and we can we can't ever stop
Speaker 3: talking about but the nineties, but the nineties, but the nineties,
Speaker 3: And you know, even Dak Prescott in a losing press
Speaker 3: conference he talked about, you know, championship is the standard,
Speaker 3: and I don't like it was the standard. You know,
Speaker 3: you ain't cut from that cloth. You guys aren't cut
Speaker 3: from that championship cloth. Mike McCarthy and his and his uh,
Speaker 3: press are talked about we have championship, we have a
Speaker 3: championship organization, championship program, but we just haven't brought the
Speaker 3: championships yet. So there's this there's this constant trying to
Speaker 3: to to to scale this ladder of championship legacy and prestige.
Speaker 3: Are the Cowboys because you're the championship prestige that they're
Speaker 3: trying to chase. You're the ghost that has consistently haunted
Speaker 3: the Cowboys for thirty years, like you're the.
Speaker 4: Boogeyman, like they like them cowboys before us, Drewdien hunted us. Yeah,
Speaker 4: my first three or four years, they haunted us bad. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Will the Cowboys ever? That's a story topic right there
Speaker 3: right there. That's just to write that.
Speaker 4: Down call the Lomas Brown. But let me say this
Speaker 4: right quick. We go ahead on finishing, but write that
Speaker 4: down the stories.
Speaker 3: For you right there, the chasing of the ghost, the Boogeyman,
Speaker 3: your team, I'm gonna tell you, your team are the boogeymen,
Speaker 3: like you're the ghost that they keep chasing. Are the
Speaker 3: Cowboys ever going to be able to live up to
Speaker 3: that level of greatness?
Speaker 5: And should they even try.
Speaker 4: To the thing that I press people is I listened
Speaker 4: to Lomus Brown of the Detroit Lions, the radio voice
Speaker 4: of the Detroit Lions, and the stories he told for
Speaker 4: the last thirty years that was the last time they
Speaker 4: was in the NFC Championship game, and the stories he
Speaker 4: was telling, and I'm like, I think I would like
Speaker 4: these stories here or what we talking about? Can they
Speaker 4: live up because it's still fresh enough. It hurts these
Speaker 4: players and it hurts our fans. But listen to lomers
Speaker 4: Brown on the other side of that. I listened to
Speaker 4: him on the NFL radio and it was so bad
Speaker 4: almost turned it off, you know, because they had nothing
Speaker 4: to even live up to for thirty years. Now we're
Speaker 4: in that thirty year cycle too. But these cowboys don't
Speaker 4: even know Michael Parsons. When I walked to Michael Parson, Hey,
Speaker 4: how you doing, they knew, oh yeah, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I played Da da da. These kids don't
Speaker 4: know our fans know our fans lived. These kids don't
Speaker 4: even care. They want to get something on their on now.
Speaker 4: The reason this thing is even like that is because
Speaker 4: no coaches came in and wanted to start over. They
Speaker 4: continue the mantra Hey the Cowboys, the the the the
Speaker 4: the history, the patritry. Me, Jesse, I want to start over.
Speaker 4: I really do. Because until you start over and earn
Speaker 4: the right, you get what you get, you're gonna get
Speaker 4: beat over the head. You're gonna get compared to guys
Speaker 4: that you came hold of, and I will take it
Speaker 4: how you want. You came hold of candle too. Some
Speaker 4: of these guys over there can't hold a candle talk
Speaker 4: that talk to what we accomplished in the nineties. What
Speaker 4: good is a twelve and five season and you didn't
Speaker 4: can even get the NFC Championship game. It don't add up,
Speaker 4: it don't it don't Who cares? The bottom line is
Speaker 4: this right here? Start over? Uh, Jason Arrett. You have
Speaker 4: some good intentions when you say every year I try
Speaker 4: to start to teach you guys how to tie their
Speaker 4: shoes and then little Jo on my pant Yeah, all
Speaker 4: that John Wood and stuff. The bottom line is you
Speaker 4: got your players thinking of something They ain't you know
Speaker 4: what was what seize everything? What was the carpe omnia?
Speaker 4: And I ain't trying to be funny, but what were
Speaker 4: you trying to seize? I never said anything because I
Speaker 4: was not gonna take away from the momentum that this
Speaker 4: team was trying to build. But I will ask you
Speaker 4: now that the season is over, what was the Cowboys
Speaker 4: trying to seize the ghost? Yes, the ghost, that's that's it.
Speaker 8: From a fan perspective, Kurt like, Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 8: wonder if there is it even possible to start with.
Speaker 8: I mean, we hear this all the time about this.
Speaker 8: We're a different team. We weren't around then. Those ghosts
Speaker 8: don't lay on you know, they don't hold us because
Speaker 8: we're all new. We're doing our own thing. But I mean,
Speaker 8: every you walk down these halls, every day, you're reminded,
Speaker 8: you walk turn on the radio, you're reminded. Everything run
Speaker 8: into your minded. I don't see how they can avoid it.
Speaker 8: I mean that, I'm sure some guys handled it better
Speaker 8: than others.
Speaker 4: Well, we walked through that same gallery just about when
Speaker 4: we was we saw you know. Yeah, the thing is,
Speaker 4: how about a matra of less less builds day by day.
Speaker 4: Let's find some perfect Greek word that means that, you know,
Speaker 4: by the end of the year, this is where we
Speaker 4: want to be. You first of all, you got to
Speaker 4: get the right players. You got to have enough dog
Speaker 4: that don't care where they play at, what's the situation,
Speaker 4: what's the weather, and you gotta go play. Every game
Speaker 4: can't depend on every big game, can't depend on the coach,
Speaker 4: even though he's a great part of it. Every big
Speaker 4: game can't be about the coach.
Speaker 3: And your best players can't show empty in those in
Speaker 3: those big games.
Speaker 5: That's the other side of it.
Speaker 4: Though, and that's why the goals is gonna stay there. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Are the players feeling the pressure or are they feeling
Speaker 8: the entitlement where they.
Speaker 4: They they're entitled that part of it, and Jesse you
Speaker 4: may think different today. This is this is this is
Speaker 4: what even a free agent, that last free agent signed,
Speaker 4: the last free agent rookie that signed to a contract
Speaker 4: for the Cowboys after the draft, as soon as you
Speaker 4: see him, his chest's gonna be this big mm hmm.
Speaker 4: That that just comes with the star. That comes with
Speaker 4: the star. But now how you earn that and continue
Speaker 4: to earn that is a different thing. The first thing
Speaker 4: y'all heard me say when we started talking about dron Bland,
Speaker 4: I said, y'all, wow, I hope we don't get to him,
Speaker 4: meaning us the media, those ghosts. I hope he continue
Speaker 4: to work on his technique. I hope he become a
Speaker 4: better jam player. I hope you become a better technician
Speaker 4: and he can make plays and he can do that.
Speaker 4: But get day in day out that every day. That's
Speaker 4: gonna get you past when a player is greater than
Speaker 4: you your technique, knowing way to help it. Well, time
Speaker 4: went on when we see yeah.
Speaker 5: It goes to get you, bro, I think there is
Speaker 5: a level of entitlement.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it comes, man, I do.
Speaker 5: I do think it's almost it is. It is the aura.
Speaker 5: It is the.
Speaker 3: It is the bubble that Jerry Jones built, right like
Speaker 3: he has built this bubble and when you step into
Speaker 3: it because of the America's team. And I've said it
Speaker 3: on this show and I there's nobody who is more
Speaker 3: honest about what they were as an NFL football player
Speaker 3: than me.
Speaker 5: And I've said it on a countless number of times.
Speaker 3: Who the hell was I to go off and make
Speaker 3: forty forty five fifty thousand dollars in the off season
Speaker 3: because everybody wanted to be a part of something.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir.
Speaker 3: Still to this day, there are some times what I
Speaker 3: lead in with if I need to get something across
Speaker 3: somebody deaf phone call returned. I lead in with Hey,
Speaker 3: how you doing this is? This is Jesse Holly, former
Speaker 3: Dallas Capital Wide receiver. Focus returned gets returned, Text gets
Speaker 3: return email gets returned.
Speaker 4: Even if nothing come of it, it gets return It
Speaker 4: gets returned.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, I get endoors because of that. And so
Speaker 3: there has been this aura that has been developed and
Speaker 3: grown off of the backs and the shoulders of.
Speaker 5: And then Yes, but I think the distinct.
Speaker 3: Difference is and and Nate, you were I'm gonna give
Speaker 3: you your pack on the back for this because you have
Speaker 3: been on this for the longest. You said it on
Speaker 3: our show, you said it on my podcast. The mental
Speaker 3: toughness of the players of those times were far greater
Speaker 3: than it is of the players of these times. Because
Speaker 3: we've heard all about the Michael Irvin escapades. Yes, but
Speaker 3: we've also heard about Mike was the first one in
Speaker 3: the building. We also heard that Mike was the last
Speaker 3: one to leave. So when your best players are giving
Speaker 3: and putting in their absolute best effort, and that is
Speaker 3: the standard, right when you talked about every single day
Speaker 3: I went up against Charss Haley, Leon led I had
Speaker 3: Dion on the other side going against Michael Irvin, and
Speaker 3: there was never a letup.
Speaker 5: There was never take it easy, prom take it easy.
Speaker 5: Eight eight them tired today, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: There was never.
Speaker 3: There was never when you had when you had Ken
Speaker 3: Norton or Kenny Kenny Ganton and EMT Smith.
Speaker 5: No, we listen as we go line. Now we ain't
Speaker 5: taking it easy.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to knock your head off because you'renna
Speaker 3: try to knock my head off. But it's that iron
Speaker 3: that sharpens iron. And I do think on this, you know,
Speaker 3: when you look at when you look at Michael Parsons
Speaker 3: and and I think he's a young talented player, I
Speaker 3: do think he's still mature. I do think there's a
Speaker 3: level of selfishness to him. But he's your og, like
Speaker 3: he's the og of this defense. He's one of the
Speaker 3: ogs of this football team. I'm almost willing to bet
Speaker 3: any amount of money. He's not the guy staying after
Speaker 3: on the we're out here and practice over. I never
Speaker 3: see him out here after practice. I never see him
Speaker 3: out there after practice working with Tyron Smith or working
Speaker 3: with you know, the linebackers of the guys up front
Speaker 3: get I never see it.
Speaker 5: Never.
Speaker 3: I highly doubt that they're staying after practice and getting
Speaker 3: in more film reps. That's what the good teams do.
Speaker 3: The good teams and the good players do that. That's
Speaker 3: what those guys did. And so as long as you,
Speaker 3: as long as you don't have football players, your best
Speaker 3: football players not giving up and sacrificing even more for
Speaker 3: the team, not for self, for the team, you will
Speaker 3: consistently be haunted by the ghost of ninety Super Bowl
Speaker 3: winning past.
Speaker 4: The thing that we have to, the thing that I
Speaker 4: keep telling myselves, like you know, great segment when you
Speaker 4: was talking about the moms.
Speaker 11: And.
Speaker 4: Because certain things I can't grasp. I cannot grasps my
Speaker 4: mother doing that. I cannot grasp my brother doing that.
Speaker 4: You know I.
Speaker 5: I me neither.
Speaker 4: It's like, what are you? What are you saying? What
Speaker 4: are you? What are you doing? This is my livelihood.
Speaker 4: These are my brothers over here. What are you? What
Speaker 4: are you doing? Mom?
Speaker 3: My brother today? You know I haven't played in ten years.
Speaker 3: My brother today still wouldn't do that. Neither one of
Speaker 3: my brothers. Like my brother still only puts out positive
Speaker 3: tweets about the Cowboys, and I'm not even sure if
Speaker 3: he's all in as a.
Speaker 4: Cowboy fan, right, like yeah, But the.
Speaker 3: Fact that the matter is, He's like, well, my brother
Speaker 3: still works for the My brother still the part of
Speaker 3: that organization.
Speaker 5: The thing that I'm not I'm not gonna mess out
Speaker 5: up for him.
Speaker 4: The thing that gets you is, uh, when has the Cowboys? What? Okay,
Speaker 4: this is what I'm trying to say, CD gonna get paid, correct,
Speaker 4: Michael barn injury gonna get paid? What is driving you
Speaker 4: to say these ignorant things? What is driving you? Okay?
Speaker 4: You say you want to win a super Bowl? It's
Speaker 4: thirty two teams out there with thirty two different thousands moms.
Speaker 4: They all want to win super Bowls. Uh. We shouldn't
Speaker 4: be attacking our teammates. What we should be doing is
Speaker 4: is going to our sons, our brothers, our cousins and saying, hey, man,
Speaker 4: what you're doing to make sure you know and come
Speaker 4: from that. I ain't gonna say yeah when my son is
Speaker 4: doing this, I don't know what the rest of them doing,
Speaker 4: but this is what you know. It's called Bill Belichick
Speaker 4: because you did that to be that would have been
Speaker 4: real nice and you wouldn't have heard about it. You
Speaker 4: wouldn't heard about what he what he did. It's just
Speaker 4: let me tell y'all something. Don't make it a out
Speaker 4: that because I know one man and his family loved
Speaker 4: some dak don't make it about that. That's that. Y'all
Speaker 4: may not agree with me, but I got fifty nine
Speaker 4: million reasons why we don't make it by that. That's
Speaker 4: that's all.
Speaker 5: I'm the same, all right, man, that's it for us today.
Speaker 4: You don't want you want to.
Speaker 3: Talk about the let's get let's give your playoff predictions
Speaker 3: for this weekend.
Speaker 4: Uh uh no, I never gonna get the Cowboys. I'm
Speaker 4: NFC all the way, an NFC, a nfcn' I don't
Speaker 4: care who went in the NFC because I hate all
Speaker 4: of them. Yeah, I mean to me.
Speaker 5: It's gonna become I said, Niners, Ravens, But but but
Speaker 5: but what. Never underestimate the heart of a champion.
Speaker 3: As bad as the roster has been this year for
Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs, they found themselves in the championship game.
Speaker 5: And as long as you got fifteen under center, he
Speaker 5: gives you a chance.
Speaker 4: He never know as that dog dot lamar, well, I'm
Speaker 4: rooting for him. But boy, you can't test my homes man.
Speaker 4: He come down a quarterback or quarterback, you.
Speaker 5: Lose you if you're match to UMIs Patrick Mahoe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm still going to say because I want
Speaker 3: I want this a lot for for for Lamar, I
Speaker 3: wanted to get the Super Bowl. So I'm still going
Speaker 3: to say Baltimore Niners and we'll get a rematch of
Speaker 3: that slug fest.
Speaker 4: They won't stag.
Speaker 5: It was a muggy. Yeah, it was a muggy.
Speaker 8: If the forty nine ers play like they did last
Speaker 8: week and Debo is not in there, Lions could give
Speaker 8: him a game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, I think.
Speaker 3: I think Kyle is preparing both game plans because they
Speaker 3: went to that game with a game plan for Debo
Speaker 3: and then he goes out kind of throws your game
Speaker 3: plan off a little bit. He's a force multiplier like
Speaker 3: he changes things. So I think there will be two
Speaker 3: game plans.
Speaker 4: They pass and they've been giving up a lot on
Speaker 4: the passing there and the defense, and I mean the
Speaker 4: Detroit Lions get this, ain't one team you want to
Speaker 4: get that up on. Shanahan can make it happen. You know,
Speaker 4: I got I got respectful bullies and you got two bullies.
Speaker 4: We're gonna find out who's the biggest bullet. But coach
Speaker 4: I don't think Coach Campbell can wait and see what's
Speaker 4: gonna happen with that running game. He's gonna have to
Speaker 4: try to force it on them, you know. They when
Speaker 4: you can line up, man, when you can line up
Speaker 4: as a man and say you ain't running that ball,
Speaker 4: you allowed of them say you boy, I got setting
Speaker 4: the one over here.
Speaker 5: We running this ball.
Speaker 4: You know what, when you can hang your hat on something,
Speaker 4: come on, man, what can the cowboys hang that? That's
Speaker 4: our show.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you, man, We missed you.
Speaker 5: Brother, he'll be about I think he was hungover from Mexico.
Speaker 4: Say he tried to tell you know, I called him
Speaker 4: to man, my job kept change and I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: you kept hanging over. He still yeah, Chris.
Speaker 3: Will appreciate you with just in your life plans and
Speaker 3: putting at least you have breakfast.
Speaker 5: You said out have breakfast.
Speaker 4: This man I had, boy had well, I will get.
Speaker 5: My juice in a minute. Thank you all for listen.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you so much, and we'll be back next
Speaker 3: week ten o'clock and nothing changes. Ten o'clock on hump
Speaker 3: Day we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Oh oh, he the man, I'm going to break that news.
Speaker 5: Well it's not breaking. They said, there's striking.
Speaker 4: Distance, the man striking. This is two weeks.
Speaker 5: This is going to the to the Chargers.
Speaker 4: So where's Dad? Where's Dan? Queen? On that show? Vack
Speaker 4: you with the Cowboy, glad to have you. Come on
Speaker 4: back on Dan, come on back. Chris, get us a linebacker.
Speaker 3: Tho we need to line see Holley man, this is
Speaker 3: hanging with the boys.
Speaker 5: See you guys next week.
Speaker 4: We are come on.
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