Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nucomb and this is a production
Speaker 1: of the Bear Grease podcast called the Bear Grease Render
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Brought to you
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Speaker 1: But we are starting about fifty minutes late, okay, and
Speaker 1: we have some very distinguished guests today, so I owe
Speaker 1: them my deepest apologies. This is a complicated story, Michael,
Speaker 1: and so our guest day sitting in the Covi's hot
Speaker 1: seat today is Kyle Carroll here from Missouri.
Speaker 2: Yes, Kyle is uh.
Speaker 1: It's hard to describe what you are. You're a former
Speaker 1: former game warden. Yes, you're an artist. Yes, you're a hunter.
Speaker 1: You're just a friend of the podcast for a.
Speaker 3: Long time, just a renaissance man.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I have.
Speaker 4: I have listened to every podcast from the beginning. I
Speaker 4: went back to the other day and made sure and
Speaker 4: I had missed one of Lake's Turkey during the Turkey series,
Speaker 4: so yeah.
Speaker 1: You listened to him all yes, And and he's here
Speaker 1: today because we are going to be talking about the
Speaker 1: Civil War.
Speaker 2: So this bear grease shrender.
Speaker 1: And if you're new to the podcast, we make documentary
Speaker 1: style episodes. We're doing a Civil War series, documentary style stuff.
Speaker 1: But the render is when we just sit around and
Speaker 1: talk about it. And and Kyle has I think he's
Speaker 1: got a he'll have a unique perspective on the Civil
Speaker 1: War and knows quite a bit about it. And uh,
Speaker 1: sitting next to him them in the Takova's roller chair
Speaker 1: is Michael Roseman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm back from being fired.
Speaker 1: Are our our my friend from the Delta of Arkansas.
Speaker 1: And how I know Michael is I met Michael through
Speaker 1: Britt Reeves And Michael is a coon hunting son of
Speaker 1: a gun.
Speaker 2: If there was a if there was a.
Speaker 1: Bumper sticker that I can make and put on Michael's truck,
Speaker 1: That's what I would say, coon hunting son of a gun.
Speaker 1: You go and uh, a walker hunting walker dog, coon
Speaker 1: hunting son of a gun.
Speaker 5: No other way to be that's.
Speaker 1: Right, You're you're not wrong. But Michael is the is
Speaker 1: the owner of sunspot Lights. He owns his own company
Speaker 1: and they build Sunspot coon lights and McCrae Arkansas and uh,
Speaker 1: it's an incredible company he and his family run and
Speaker 1: they make the best coon lights in the world. I
Speaker 1: mean there's some other good coon like company there are
Speaker 1: great But anyway, we're gonna get into the light. Okay,
Speaker 1: but just hold that for a minute. We also have
Speaker 1: Barr John Newcomb straight out of Alaska. You bet got
Speaker 1: got home from Alaska last week, still dripping wet from
Speaker 1: salt water from killing the bear in the.
Speaker 2: Got back last night. Yes.
Speaker 1: And then we have doctor mister newkeom can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear what you think about Robert E. Lee and Abraham
Speaker 1: Lincoln Back to our story, back to our story, and
Speaker 1: Josh Landbridge spillmaker Josh Lanbridge story least Nope, nope, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't introduce myself and I don't Josh me and
Speaker 1: you the same. We're like, we're just we're just here
Speaker 1: and that that's okay. So Kyle pulls up to the
Speaker 1: house to the office and he goes, I saw some
Speaker 1: mules back in town with lead ropes, and uh, and
Speaker 1: I proceed to go, oh my, I bet their mind
Speaker 1: and it's a convoluted story because and the theme of
Speaker 1: this story is change often brings great things, but also
Speaker 1: brings difficulty. Okay, think about that for a minute. Everyone,
Speaker 1: just stop.
Speaker 2: You can even pause your listening devices now if you
Speaker 2: need to.
Speaker 6: That's a pretty profound perspective on some mules getting loose.
Speaker 3: Change.
Speaker 1: Change can be wonderful, but it also brings much difficulty,
Speaker 1: potentially danger and catastrophe as well. So I sold my
Speaker 1: easy mule, Kyle, my best mule that I trained, that
Speaker 1: I've had for all these years, that I swore I
Speaker 1: was going to keep forever. I sold her, and it
Speaker 1: was a decision that came with much.
Speaker 2: Thought, and I I there's a lot of reasons why
Speaker 2: I did it, and I could tell you those reasons
Speaker 2: if you're interested, but I won't for now because I
Speaker 2: sold the mule last week and I've already got a
Speaker 2: new mule that I bought from Evan Felker of the
Speaker 2: Turnpike Tributors, named Laurie.
Speaker 1: Okay, you may have seen it. She's two years old,
Speaker 1: really nice young mule that we're training. But because I
Speaker 1: don't have a real good riding mule, I borrowed a
Speaker 1: mule from a friend of mine in Newton County, a
Speaker 1: sixteen hand beautiful mule named Hawk. And anyway, the change
Speaker 1: is that there were two new mules on the place
Speaker 1: and I had them out, and I was grazing them
Speaker 1: on big lead ropes, and I purposely tied the two
Speaker 1: new mules loose. I wanted them to get loose because
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know how they would respond. You just
Speaker 1: tie up a horse or a mule to a big,
Speaker 1: long lead rope, they might get tangled up in it
Speaker 1: and throw a fit and hurt themselves. So I knew,
Speaker 1: slow Trap, we've got three mules. This is a long story, guys.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, you can just and drama.
Speaker 1: And slow Trap was was tied up good because I
Speaker 1: know that when he The good thing about a mule,
Speaker 1: if they get in a bind, they often don't struggle
Speaker 1: like a like a horse will sometimes kill itself if
Speaker 1: it gets if in a real big bind like with
Speaker 1: a rope. A mule rarely does that. But I didn't
Speaker 1: know what these two new ones. Had them tied loosely.
Speaker 1: I tell I have to go into town. I tell
Speaker 1: Bear John, hey, keep an eye on those mules. Next
Speaker 1: thing I know I come back and Kyle's telling me
Speaker 1: there's mules in town.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not trying to put I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to point any fingers.
Speaker 6: What you left out was that I was also in
Speaker 6: town doing stuff, and you said, are the mules?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 6: I checked, mules are all there.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: I go into town fired the mules are gone.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, This is.
Speaker 8: A good story. Did he tell you to keep an
Speaker 8: eye on the mules or did he say are the mules?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 6: I can't remember. Let me pull the text.
Speaker 2: I said keep an eye on the mules.
Speaker 8: Let's see, this is one of my these two y'all.
Speaker 3: I show up and nobody's here, and the mules are fine.
Speaker 2: You saw the three meals.
Speaker 3: All three meals are here when I got here.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, you check on the mules. They're all tied.
Speaker 7: Mules.
Speaker 6: Good question, Mark.
Speaker 8: Yes, very different, Clay, very different the way you think
Speaker 8: you communicated.
Speaker 5: I'm worried that the bear gets blamed for a few
Speaker 5: things because several years ago Clay was down hunting and
Speaker 5: got a call that the mules were out. Okay, the
Speaker 5: first time this happened, and you got the blame. Doesn't
Speaker 5: ever close the gate was what I heard.
Speaker 8: Man, the problem with the mules getting out if when
Speaker 8: when Clay first got mules. You know, we've got four kids,
Speaker 8: and once you don't close the gate, you usually learn
Speaker 8: that lesson, Like you don't close the gate once and
Speaker 8: you've learned that lesson. But we have four kids. They
Speaker 8: each had to learn the lesson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was.
Speaker 1: And when our mules get out, they go straight to town.
Speaker 1: They go out my driveway and turn right and go
Speaker 1: back into the country. But they could turn left, they
Speaker 1: could go straight to town, and so they always go
Speaker 1: straight to town. So the mules were in somebody's backyard in
Speaker 1: the subdivision. They came and found me and they were like,
Speaker 1: your mules are in my backyard. They were real nice,
Speaker 1: wonderful people went there. The whole neighborhood's there, the whole neighborhood.
Speaker 1: The whole neighborhood is out with their kids petting the mules.
Speaker 1: And then I'm in Misty's car because my truck is
Speaker 1: somewhere else at this very moment, and Bear comes knows
Speaker 1: where we're at. Bear comes riding up through town on
Speaker 1: the mules and leads one of the mules. He's on
Speaker 1: slow trap and then I lead the other mule in
Speaker 1: the Honda CRV hybrid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it took so long. I got a
Speaker 2: little bit of video.
Speaker 6: I got a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry we had to tell that story, but I this.
Speaker 1: I literally ran in and now see these guys that
Speaker 1: have invited here that we have come a long ways
Speaker 1: and we're starting late. So my deepest apologies on behalf
Speaker 1: of bear. I would like to apologize to you guys.
Speaker 3: I almost told them to pack up and go home,
Speaker 3: just like.
Speaker 1: Call it, call it no, no, no, no, Michael.
Speaker 2: What do you have have?
Speaker 5: Lights?
Speaker 2: Man? This is incredible.
Speaker 5: I have a spotlight that we build that I gave
Speaker 5: to Josh.
Speaker 2: How nice that is. That's an incredible light.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it is slick man. I'm keeping this in my.
Speaker 2: T tell me like so, it's rechargeable.
Speaker 5: Rechargeable with the USB C has this rubber grip handle.
Speaker 5: It's really bright, throws a tight beam, throws a long way.
Speaker 5: We built it for hunters to shoot with. You know,
Speaker 5: they'll line it up along side of their gun because
Speaker 5: it's hard to shoot with, you know, turning the light
Speaker 5: sideways on your head. But most people have bought them
Speaker 5: for a truck light and if you get in a fight.
Speaker 3: You can kind of use it as brass knuckles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we have this one for Clay. It's a cotton mouth.
Speaker 5: It's the light we're building right now.
Speaker 7: Cool, awesome.
Speaker 1: And now I'm saying this maybe for no good reason.
Speaker 1: I bought this for Michael. He did, yes, And because
Speaker 1: I want I mean, I didn't want him to.
Speaker 5: Give it too mad I gave that.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: And I say that only because I wanted to support
Speaker 1: Michael and his business. So how what percentage of lights
Speaker 1: are made not in America? And and and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get into your business. Yes, a lot.
Speaker 5: Most of the coon hunting lights are made here. Okay, Uh,
Speaker 5: stuff you buy on Amazon that they call coon hut lights,
Speaker 5: those are all built overseas.
Speaker 1: So describe to me your business because some of the
Speaker 1: components of this are coming from overseas.
Speaker 5: Batteries, reflectors, that kind of thing. I can't find any here.
Speaker 5: And when you do find like a battery, you can
Speaker 5: buy batteries here, but they're getting them from overseas anyway,
Speaker 5: they just mark them up, We design them, build them here.
Speaker 5: Everything we can get from here, and the head housing
Speaker 5: most of those components from that thing come from local
Speaker 5: electronics stuff stuff in Texas.
Speaker 2: Really, so you I mean you built this light like,
Speaker 2: so we.
Speaker 5: Get them the heads machined. You know, all the machine
Speaker 5: parts are done. We buy different products from different places,
Speaker 5: like the optics and the switches and the knobs, and
Speaker 5: it's completely built in shop.
Speaker 1: Right, So you probably technically couldn't put like made in
Speaker 1: America on it because.
Speaker 2: You could, well, I mean, then that's something to be
Speaker 2: it is. What do you think I could?
Speaker 5: I could put made America in there, but I kind
Speaker 5: of I know that that works for some people, but
Speaker 5: I kind of see it as a marketing gimmick. Really
Speaker 5: good deal. Yeah, I just don't do it. I could,
Speaker 5: it could be put on there. I just don't, Okay.
Speaker 2: I respect them.
Speaker 5: Maybe weird, and I understand that it's weird, but I
Speaker 5: see it all over the place, and when I see it,
Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, I know that a lot of
Speaker 5: your stuff doesn't come from America, and you're putting it
Speaker 5: on there, and I just don't want to get into it.
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you.
Speaker 1: I mean the point of me being interested in that
Speaker 1: is that I think a lot. I think you could
Speaker 1: go on to Amazon and probably order some big, high
Speaker 1: powered lumin light that absolutely they.
Speaker 5: Also are bad about copying our products, not just mine,
Speaker 5: but other people that build them here. They'll order them,
Speaker 5: get them over there, build usually not not quite that
Speaker 5: but real close to it, and then they'll sell it
Speaker 5: on Amazon.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I mean you and your family are building these
Speaker 2: lights in the cry and.
Speaker 5: There's four of us that work in the shop and
Speaker 5: two of us that do piece work in everybody's family.
Speaker 1: And listen, I have I've turned Steve Vanella onto these,
Speaker 1: I've turned a lot of the mediator guys onto onto
Speaker 1: these sunspot lights. And this is what I've always said
Speaker 1: is that coon hunters have the market on lights.
Speaker 2: I mean you can get you can.
Speaker 1: Buy some giant light that recharges and has some big
Speaker 1: giant beam, but this light has is rechargeable, like hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of times you can recharge this light.
Speaker 5: And they also have all of our products carry a
Speaker 5: lifetime warranty.
Speaker 2: Tell me what that means.
Speaker 5: So everything on there except for the hat because it's
Speaker 5: a wear item, they wear out quick and the charger
Speaker 5: are covered for a damage warranty. We don't any kind
Speaker 5: of damage on there doesn't get covered, but.
Speaker 2: Like if you drive over it or something that's.
Speaker 5: To be honest with you, we cover it most time anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we've gotten a lot of stuff in there. It's tour
Speaker 5: to pieces that we just fix. Is less of a
Speaker 5: hassle for me to just fix it and send it
Speaker 5: on then a call you and get a credit card
Speaker 5: number and go through the whole process. Yeah. So we
Speaker 5: cover everything, including the battery for a lifetime of that light.
Speaker 1: And what this light has if you're not familiar with
Speaker 1: the coon light, it has a red light which uh
Speaker 1: if you it's got a toggle switch on the on
Speaker 1: the head a red light which in a for a
Speaker 1: non coon I think there's a big market for people
Speaker 1: having these that aren't coon hunt. I carry a sun
Speaker 1: spotlight with me everywhere I go in the world. The
Speaker 1: reason that I have bought this one for Michael is
Speaker 1: because I gave mine to one of the guys in
Speaker 1: Nunavut on the ice.
Speaker 3: Well, you took it with you, Oh, I.
Speaker 1: Sleep with it by my head, not not with a
Speaker 1: hat on. I'll take it off so you can. You
Speaker 1: can take it off.
Speaker 5: Well, i'd have to it'll come off, but it's tight.
Speaker 5: We don't want them coming off on accident.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I carry that with me, bohunting.
Speaker 8: It literally is almost always at the bottom of our stairs,
Speaker 8: so you can just grab it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can put it on a hat you
Speaker 1: don't have, do you. A lot of times the hard
Speaker 1: hat throws people off that aren't coon hunters. They're like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean a hard hat? That's just a
Speaker 1: stylistic choice.
Speaker 5: Well, and it holds, it's helped support it. And I've
Speaker 5: been hitting the head with limbs before, right, Yes, to
Speaker 5: get a coon and falls out on you.
Speaker 1: So don't You don't have to have a headline. So
Speaker 1: this is not I mean, it kind of is a
Speaker 1: sales pitch for Michael, but I'm not that's I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in. I mean, your friend. I just I just
Speaker 1: believe in these things and carry them all over everywhere
Speaker 1: I go. Bear Bear does too. Oh yeah, and uh
Speaker 1: but they have different What I was gonna say was
Speaker 1: they have the high power, which is an incredibly bright
Speaker 1: it is light Michael on the lowest walking lights has
Speaker 1: four different settings.
Speaker 2: How long will that burns?
Speaker 5: The low so there is a main beam double walk
Speaker 5: on a double red. Each light has two positions on it,
Speaker 5: all of them on low burn for one hundred hours.
Speaker 1: So if I just left that and if it were
Speaker 1: darkened here, that lowest power is bright.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's bright enough to walk in the woods with.
Speaker 5: Oh it' it's just not at I mean light you
Speaker 5: can get so used high it would light up this room.
Speaker 5: It's a big light.
Speaker 1: If I left that on and came back burn for days,
Speaker 1: four days later, it would still be on.
Speaker 5: It'll dim, it'll dim as it goes, but it'll still
Speaker 5: be light.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it Yeah, they're just incredible lights.
Speaker 5: So on high you get about five and a half
Speaker 5: to six on the main beam, and the red and
Speaker 5: the walk light both get around fourteen hours on high. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I've kind of gone on and on about
Speaker 2: this light too light, but I love them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's called the cotton Mouth. Yeah, Kyle, what
Speaker 1: have you been up to? You've been painting any Oh?
Speaker 7: Not as much as I should have. My bit.
Speaker 4: I had a show in April, and once I get
Speaker 4: past that kind of going Turkey Hinton mode and you
Speaker 4: kind of kind of get back into paint mode. And
Speaker 4: so I've started a piece, but I'm not really. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's maybe I don't know, eighteen by a little bit
Speaker 4: bigger piece. It's a scene of the South Fork up
Speaker 4: southwest of Cody, big kind of a mountain scene when
Speaker 4: it's it's a in shadow and then there's a place
Speaker 4: in a corner that's just catching sunlight and there's gonna
Speaker 4: be some natives there on horseback just looking out.
Speaker 7: Over the So what inspired you? Just the scene? Just
Speaker 7: when I was up there.
Speaker 4: I went up specifically a year before last to shoot
Speaker 4: some reference stuff and so just you can you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes it's just your imagination. Sometimes it's something you read,
Speaker 4: a history reference or something like that. But on this one,
Speaker 4: it's just cool, cool scene you know you've seen, you've
Speaker 4: like we were talking about the Alaska stuff. You could
Speaker 4: imagine Eskimos or whatever right there on that other natives,
Speaker 4: you know. So that's that's all it is on that one.
Speaker 4: But that's I did. I did drop a painting off
Speaker 4: in Carthage at a gallery on the way down today,
Speaker 4: so I made double.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So there's a gallery if you're ever in Karthi's a
Speaker 4: nice gallery. Uh, they have a Civil War museum there.
Speaker 1: So have you ever done a Civil War painting.
Speaker 4: I've done some drawings. I'm trying to think if I've
Speaker 4: done a painting. If I if I did it, it was
Speaker 4: a small piece, like individual type stuff. I have a
Speaker 4: little bit of reference. I worked on a Civil War
Speaker 4: piece film one time, and so I've got a little
Speaker 4: bit of reference, you know.
Speaker 7: But I've just it's just not really my air and
Speaker 7: to paint. It's so.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like being a doing a podcast on
Speaker 4: beekeeping or trimming mule hoofs or civil war.
Speaker 7: You're gonna get.
Speaker 4: Some flak on any of those extly. There's a lot
Speaker 4: of experts, That's what I'm saying. So so I just
Speaker 4: I haven't done it.
Speaker 7: More portraits.
Speaker 4: I've done some portraits of like Jackson and uh, I
Speaker 4: don't know, yah portraits.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so excellent. Bear you just got back
Speaker 1: from Alaska. Do you want to give us like a
Speaker 1: one minute, one minute rundown? Yeah, just like what you did.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 6: The plan, the mission for going up there was to
Speaker 6: do was to kill a bear with a self bow
Speaker 6: from the water from the ocean in a wet suit,
Speaker 6: like you did a couple of years ago. To to
Speaker 6: make it true, we went up there. Jannics Pitelis and
Speaker 6: I went up there to make it true.
Speaker 2: Wow, who told you that.
Speaker 6: It's a climbing thing, like you gotta you gotta send
Speaker 6: it twice else.
Speaker 8: Yeah, phrases that we've never heard of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you just do it once, it's like, well,
Speaker 6: is it a fluke or not?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so was.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So anyway, we were going up there to to
Speaker 6: try and do that again, and we went Steve's fish
Speaker 6: shack up there and I ended up getting a bear
Speaker 6: in the wet suit from the Pacific Ocean and Joannis
Speaker 6: also got a bear. Wasn't quite wasn't quite a wet
Speaker 6: suit approach, but it was a really cool hunt.
Speaker 2: He was in the wet suit. He was in the.
Speaker 6: Wet suit, not necessarily in the water. Yeah, but uh yeah,
Speaker 6: it was a cool hunt. We were up there for
Speaker 6: ten days, eight hunt days, driving around on a skiff, fishing,
Speaker 6: jigging and bear hunting.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: We'll be able to watch that probably next spring, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, so the next spring on the
Speaker 1: media YouTube channel, you'll be able to watch that. And
Speaker 1: did you film anything for the bear Grease YouTube channel?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, there'll be we filmed we cooked some sea
Speaker 6: cucumbers and fish. Oh yeah, that'll be out soon. And
Speaker 6: then I also.
Speaker 2: Everybody that will go to Southeast Alaska. It has a
Speaker 2: YouTube channels to see cucumbers. You'll watch to.
Speaker 6: Watch the video and see it's and then I also filmed.
Speaker 3: Uh that's how you don't foreshadow folks.
Speaker 1: Also, that's a bear shadow. If you want to have
Speaker 1: some fun, talk to me. I'll tell you what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6: I filmed behind the scenes of a mediator shoot. Interviewed
Speaker 6: some of the camera guys, the producers.
Speaker 2: When will that come out?
Speaker 6: Probably next week?
Speaker 2: Oh for real soon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, But that was pretty cool because what I think
Speaker 6: a lot of people don't know about the camera guys
Speaker 6: on these shoots is that they're always way cooler than
Speaker 6: the people in front of the camera.
Speaker 8: That's what I found that's actually true. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And anyway, I interviewed Dirt Myth Bobby Jarg. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it'll be a cool, cool behind the scenes video.
Speaker 1: Oh that's cool, Dirt Myth will be in there. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So we've we've we've mentioned a lot. But Bear has
Speaker 1: a YouTube channel called bear Grease and it's it's growing.
Speaker 2: He's making weekly content. It's kind of YouTube style vlog
Speaker 2: style content, doing a lot of cool stuff, flint and
Speaker 2: napping stone points, making bows, fixing old Suzuki motors.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard, but Christy's been watching
Speaker 3: your content and she loves it. She was engrossed in
Speaker 3: the boat motor video. Really yeah, oh there's you got
Speaker 3: a new demographic of forty eight year old women.
Speaker 5: Enjoyed it because you were showing your dad's junk pile.
Speaker 2: Yes, this.
Speaker 1: Almost down to like, like every hundred square feet on
Speaker 1: this property is like not manicured, but I mean I
Speaker 1: take care of it except for that one hundred square feet.
Speaker 1: And Bear sets up his video and films an entire
Speaker 1: episode with the entire backdrop is just like my junk pile.
Speaker 8: I don't understand is why you situated the junk pile
Speaker 8: directly by the front landscape of the house. That's I
Speaker 8: think that's that's again. I think this might.
Speaker 2: Be some things are just the way they are.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, it's kind of a touchy subject in the
Speaker 8: NU come home, Well that shed, that shed was built
Speaker 8: before our house was built.
Speaker 6: Oh really a little bit. I would take this up
Speaker 6: with the Lord all right, Yeah, it's probably more my
Speaker 6: junk than yours at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've got some nice junk. Steve Vanella when
Speaker 2: he when he's come here, when.
Speaker 3: He pulled up, that was the first thing he did.
Speaker 3: He pulled his phone.
Speaker 1: Out, like we I mean, we just have a modest
Speaker 1: place here, I mean truly modest, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: Steve Vanella pulls up and like like.
Speaker 2: He wasn't trying to be cute.
Speaker 1: I catch him standing there just like looking at my
Speaker 1: jump pile, and I walk over and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And it was almost like he was
Speaker 1: slightly embarrassed. Oh, I'm sorry, I just yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I was just kind of looking around. Are you gonna steal?
Speaker 1: Are you wanting to like steal some of us stuff?
Speaker 5: He said that he had looked all over Arkansas for
Speaker 5: a junk pile like he was expecting. In the one
Speaker 5: place he found it, was it Clayton.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, that was That was a good time, by
Speaker 7: the way, that was a good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yes, that was really good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So before we get into too much more meat, we
Speaker 3: want to make sure and mention the uh the survey,
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Speaker 2: What were your Was it too long?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 7: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't very critical on anything other than it's Oh
Speaker 4: there was one place where they like you could click
Speaker 4: on personalities there were you were not on there, so
Speaker 4: I made sure I mentioned you got to mention you
Speaker 4: got one vote.
Speaker 7: Anyways. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so go go to the mediator dot com slash
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Speaker 4: I thought you meant was the podcast? That was one
Speaker 4: of the questions he asked, were podcast length? Oh, I
Speaker 4: thought that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 7: So I don't remember. I thought it was fun.
Speaker 1: No, I just uh, yeah, it's a it's a cool survey.
Speaker 2: I it'd be great if you went and checked it
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Speaker 3: Together as much information from you guys as we can.
Speaker 3: So we're we're we're asking for you guys to do
Speaker 3: this survey. We want to hear from you. Also, you
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's actually a pretty good chance. As of today,
Speaker 1: I can say this. I think there were like two
Speaker 1: hundred people that had done the survey, So I mean.
Speaker 7: It's pretty painless that it's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to type in your information or
Speaker 1: anything like. It's not it's not like type in your
Speaker 1: credit card number and we'll let you use it.
Speaker 2: It's just do your survey.
Speaker 1: But you know, one and two hundred chances and hopefully
Speaker 1: the be more that take it, and there will be
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Speaker 3: At web address is it's the.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so check that out.
Speaker 3: Also, since we have two special guests here, one in
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Speaker 3: you guys can send us some pictures of you walking
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Speaker 5: And well, yeah boots for waiting for an hour for Clay.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. This is our way of saying we're
Speaker 2: very sorry that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, thank you guys. I have a question for
Speaker 4: the book. What about your book?
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm really looking.
Speaker 7: Forward to this. Man, I'm not.
Speaker 4: So excited pre reader, you know, like advantage of the
Speaker 4: guy I'm the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's it's We have submitted the manuscript in February.
Speaker 1: Penguin Random House has has read the book and has
Speaker 1: given us feedback, and we're in the process right now
Speaker 1: of making the final edits. The book is going to
Speaker 1: be out in February of twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 7: Looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: Man, there'll be an audiobook.
Speaker 5: There'll be a be a hard copy too.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh cool, that's just not that far away.
Speaker 3: I mean we're like not ten.
Speaker 2: Months, right, I think that right. The reading, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I will. I will be doing the reading on the audiobook.
Speaker 1: And it's guys, it really is the work of my
Speaker 1: life in terms of my career inside of like the
Speaker 1: outdoor space.
Speaker 2: It really is. I mean, I'm very excited about it.
Speaker 1: And my my at in house editor at media is
Speaker 1: a guy named Alex Tilney, who the world doesn't really
Speaker 1: know but is just a I mean I consider him
Speaker 1: a dear friend. Today he's been with me in the trenches,
Speaker 1: just helping me and it's been incredible. And so anyway,
Speaker 1: one day we'll have Alex on this podcast. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the wildest story you've never heard about the American
Speaker 1: black bear. When you read this story, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: one part history, like American history, market hunting, Native American ceremonialism.
Speaker 1: It's it's one part history, one part biology. You're going
Speaker 1: to learn wild stuff about black bears and about mammals
Speaker 1: and about the ice age and about extinctions. And then
Speaker 1: it's it's one part and this is probably the lesser part,
Speaker 1: but it's one part memoir. For lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the book's not you know that.
Speaker 1: There's just it's kind of my over lap with bears
Speaker 1: inside of my life. And then it's one part future
Speaker 1: casting on the American black bear is thriving. There are
Speaker 1: more American black bears than all other seven bear species
Speaker 1: on planet Earth combined. There was a time when there
Speaker 1: were hundreds of bear species on planet Earth pretty wild.
Speaker 2: Today they're eight. And that is not the result of
Speaker 2: like anything to do with man. I mean, there were
Speaker 2: hundreds deep time, and whatever's happening ecologically has been incredibly
Speaker 2: good for black black bears and America's bear stories just beginning.
Speaker 5: Do you have any idea what it is? What's that
Speaker 5: I mean, what is increasing their population?
Speaker 1: Well, this is what the book covers to some degree,
Speaker 1: but generalists are doing very well. Specialists are struggling in
Speaker 1: general habitat loss for for all kinds of stuff, just.
Speaker 4: The like a monarch butterfly, it's got to have milkweed. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's a specialist, that's right, where a black bear would
Speaker 4: probably eat the milkweed and everything else.
Speaker 1: We basically make the case that the American black bear
Speaker 1: is the greatest generalist survivor of modern times. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're they're just like they can eat anything a plant,
Speaker 1: an animal, human, trash and live in the wilderness. Thing
Speaker 1: live in the city, they live above the Arctic Circle,
Speaker 1: they can live in Mexico City, they can live on
Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean, the Atlantic Ocean.
Speaker 2: They they they they've.
Speaker 1: Out competed grizzlies in modern times because of their lack
Speaker 1: of They're they're not as dangerous as a grizz I mean,
Speaker 1: like when you think about all the factors, even anthropogenic
Speaker 1: human related factors that cause animal to thrive today. I mean,
Speaker 1: the reason there's not grizzlies from Alaska down to Old
Speaker 1: Mexico is because they were they were more specialists than.
Speaker 2: Black bears, but also were dangerous to.
Speaker 1: But people in New Jersey have figured out how to
Speaker 1: get along with bears that live in the little ravines
Speaker 1: behind their houses and come in their yards. Yes, and
Speaker 1: it and so just really interesting story. We talk about
Speaker 1: how the black bear, the bear in general is the
Speaker 1: most anthropomorphized animal in human history.
Speaker 2: We quantify that.
Speaker 1: We quantify how the Catholic Church in Europe spend one
Speaker 1: thousand years stamping out the pagan animal based worship religions
Speaker 1: of old Europe. And in those religions, the bear was
Speaker 1: the king of the woods, the king, the king of
Speaker 1: the beasts, and they marketed to get the lion as
Speaker 1: king of be like if you were just just a
Speaker 1: multiple choice questions, like what's the king of the beasts,
Speaker 1: it used to be the bear? Interesting like there, like
Speaker 1: there were systemic campaigns to to to decrease the social
Speaker 1: value of the bear in Europe by the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: because they were doing some crazy stuff with bears back
Speaker 1: in like deep time Europe. And so it's it was successful,
Speaker 1: and so the bear became this slothful, lustful carnal beast
Speaker 1: and they killed them all essentially in Europe, I mean
Speaker 1: by like by like one thousand a d There were
Speaker 1: no bears in in on the island on England, and
Speaker 1: then all those people come to North America and you don't,
Speaker 1: we don't realize how much we come preloaded with cultural
Speaker 1: stuff even is it in regards to everything, but it's
Speaker 1: specifically wild animals and what what happens market hunting, and
Speaker 1: I mean like kind of this wanton slaughter of wildlife,
Speaker 1: including bears, and so we we there's some trails in
Speaker 1: this book that no one has ever spoken of that
Speaker 1: will I mean for real, really interesting stuff. M some
Speaker 1: foreshadow of the book US A year ago, Yannest do
Speaker 1: tell Us was like, Clay, you got to start talking
Speaker 1: about your book. And I told him, no, I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about my book because it's two years out,
Speaker 1: and I mean, like I would give away information that's
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 7: Book not two years now.
Speaker 2: Well it's not two years now.
Speaker 1: And then he said something that I think is true,
Speaker 1: as he said, Clay, you could talk about that during
Speaker 1: book in our long segments for days and not tell
Speaker 1: everything that's in that book read in the book. So
Speaker 1: he was like, don't hide anything.
Speaker 2: He's like, just if you if if you want to
Speaker 2: talk about it, talk about it. But no, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: thanks for asking.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's gonna be called American Beary excellent. Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: The Civil War.
Speaker 1: Man second episode the the This was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite episodes we've done in a while. I'm really glad
Speaker 1: that we're getting back into some historical series. It's, uh,
Speaker 1: they're hard to do. It's a big bite to do
Speaker 1: a civil war episode. It's it's, yeah, when so many
Speaker 1: people know so much about the Civil War. There's been
Speaker 1: more books written about the Civil War, I think than
Speaker 1: any other topic in America. So it's it's it's not
Speaker 1: like we're bringing new information to the world.
Speaker 2: But as I said from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I I'm answering questions that I didn't know about. So
Speaker 1: you know, my invitation to the listener is just like, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know as much about this as I want
Speaker 1: to come along with me and let's let's learn something.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: What's what's what do you think of? This second episode
Speaker 1: called I Wat stood out to you.
Speaker 4: I was, I was looking forward to it. I had
Speaker 4: no idea. You know, it's kind of like you're you're
Speaker 4: going to do a civil war series. So it's like
Speaker 4: you have a five galland bucket and a tidal wave
Speaker 4: and this is what this is it what you have.
Speaker 4: But what you what you selected is good because I
Speaker 4: think it's where a lot of people start, but they
Speaker 4: don't know everything, I mean, the two sides, the complexity,
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I thought it was a good a good
Speaker 7: place to go.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So this first episode was about focused on Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 1: the secession of the States, and then the last fourteen
Speaker 1: minutes or something we talk about Roberty Lee, what what's
Speaker 1: out to you?
Speaker 2: Missy Well.
Speaker 8: I was very surprised to learn that Abe Lincoln was
Speaker 8: a world class wrestler.
Speaker 2: I'll just start that. I did you know that, Michael,
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 7: Had picture him in a single. It is hard, is that?
Speaker 2: The little little trunk, a little swimming suit thing?
Speaker 7: But yeah, I knew that. So yeah, yeah, yeah, put
Speaker 7: the covers on, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that surprised you, It surprised me.
Speaker 8: No, I thought it was it was really good. I
Speaker 8: thought the Yeah, I thought you did a good job
Speaker 8: of I think the thing that's interesting is what you
Speaker 8: don't know in what in the the comparison of the
Speaker 8: two men, Abe Lincoln and Roberty Lee and and it's
Speaker 8: it's nice to take you this big topic, like you said,
Speaker 8: a five gallon bucket, you know, and and you're basically
Speaker 8: telling this story of how this thing started through these
Speaker 8: two men's different lives. And I don't know if you
Speaker 8: meant to do that or not, but that I thought
Speaker 8: that was a really that was a unique way to
Speaker 8: do it, and A and A in an interesting way
Speaker 8: because you kind of say, you know, once and really
Speaker 8: like Abe Lincoln was a good a really good man.
Speaker 8: And uh and but you you draw out like he's
Speaker 8: probably had some things that if he were here today
Speaker 8: we'd take issue with, had some ideas. But I I
Speaker 8: think and I do know some things about the Civil War.
Speaker 8: But I just think the thing that that quote, like
Speaker 8: I I if I had let all the if I
Speaker 8: freed all the slaves, I couldn't keep the union together.
Speaker 8: If if I kept everyone in slaves, I couldn't keep
Speaker 8: the Union together. And realizing just what he was kind
Speaker 8: of driven by a mission, and uh, always I'm always interested,
Speaker 8: always interested in learning more about him. I think, Robert E. Lee,
Speaker 8: that's someone that definitely, you know, I kind of grew
Speaker 8: up in an environment similar to to well eleven miles further.
Speaker 2: South than you ways the Deep South, and.
Speaker 8: So so I certainly had heard quite a bit about
Speaker 8: Roberty Lee, but I hadn't heard some of the things
Speaker 8: that you talked about in that and that was a
Speaker 8: that was a real surprise.
Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated by the nuance in history and also
Speaker 1: the thing that time does to people's mind frames. Because
Speaker 1: Abe Lincoln, this saint who even after I heard what
Speaker 1: he said essentially about you know, the equality of different
Speaker 1: races of people, I mean still, it's like Abe Lincoln
Speaker 1: was pretty much a saint for that time.
Speaker 5: You're a product of the time that you grew up in.
Speaker 5: I mean there, you know, there are things one hundred
Speaker 5: years from now, morals that you hold that you think
Speaker 5: are completely moral, that in one hundred years they'll be like, man,
Speaker 5: what was claive thing?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: You know, and it's me.
Speaker 7: To a tree?
Speaker 5: Come on, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Really it will exactly do you think that'll be, Michael.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure, but I'm sure there's a list in
Speaker 5: a plot. Yeah, there's a list.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna look back at y'all hunting walkers,
Speaker 1: and like Clay was on the right side.
Speaker 5: But I mean, he was a product of his time,
Speaker 5: and and it's all he knew. I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't think he actually seen much slavery until he
Speaker 5: went to New Orleans right when markets down there right
Speaker 5: there wouldn't have been very many where he was. There
Speaker 5: wouldn't have been very many black people where he was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the context is everything in this because like you say,
Speaker 4: he would he he.
Speaker 7: Would never have known a time without it.
Speaker 4: So how is it how would you get your mind
Speaker 4: around trying to you know, back to the first episode
Speaker 4: they talked about the three fifths rule when they set
Speaker 4: up the union in the first place. It's just like
Speaker 4: like you were saying earlier, you would he would have
Speaker 4: done it either way to keep the union together, free
Speaker 4: them all or keep keep everybody's slave. If it kept
Speaker 4: the union together, that was their mission back then, get
Speaker 4: this thing signed and done and let's get a country.
Speaker 4: If they hadn't done that three fifths thing, that would
Speaker 4: have never happened. And that's always bugged me that it's
Speaker 4: portrayed by some people that don't maybe don't know history
Speaker 4: that well, but like that just proves how racist these
Speaker 4: guys were or whatever. It's really the opposite. As soon
Speaker 4: as they freed them, they became a whole person. They
Speaker 4: counted one whole. So the incentive was to be to
Speaker 4: free them, right, you know.
Speaker 2: They had to do the three fists to get there, to.
Speaker 4: Get the compromise, to get them in the first place.
Speaker 4: So even that is like, while you're saying, this is
Speaker 4: a product of the time, you know, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 4: they did a good job of setting things in motion
Speaker 4: to where eventually, I think a lot of people thought
Speaker 4: it would go away eventually.
Speaker 7: But then cotton came along, this whole crunch.
Speaker 5: With the cotton gin come along. That Eyeweedney came along,
Speaker 5: invented the cotton gin because it was a big part
Speaker 5: of slavery was dying out until because the the I
Speaker 5: don't forget which type of cotton it was, the cotton
Speaker 5: that they were using wasn't popular anymore until the cotton gin,
Speaker 5: and then it exploded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so.
Speaker 1: It was wild to hear Lincoln say that he thought
Speaker 1: that slavery would be here for another hundred years. And
Speaker 1: whether he really believed that or not, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It could have been just what he said.
Speaker 5: So it may not have been slavery, but the harsh
Speaker 5: racism was there for another one hundred years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the part of the reason a catalyst that I
Speaker 1: invited Michael was he we talked about this light. I'd
Speaker 1: called you about this light, and then he listened to
Speaker 1: the Civil War episode and you said, well, I don't
Speaker 1: want to take the words out of your mouth. What
Speaker 1: did you tell me?
Speaker 5: I told you that I was raised I forget my
Speaker 5: exact age, eleven twelve on up till I was about
Speaker 5: eighteen by a black lady, not one hundred percent of
Speaker 5: the time, but a big part of the time. And
Speaker 5: her mother, so she was old. Her mother was born
Speaker 5: a slave. She was born in eighteen sixty two. Wow,
Speaker 5: so it would have just been a baby, but was
Speaker 5: born a slave. The point was, it wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that when he said that on the phone,
Speaker 1: I said, will you come to the render and bring
Speaker 1: that light to me?
Speaker 5: You know, I didn't know it. She never mentioned anything.
Speaker 5: And I was telling her about a pump, you know,
Speaker 5: one of the old hand pumps that I had found
Speaker 5: by a pond we were fishing by that was south
Speaker 5: and east of the house, about a mile and she said,
Speaker 5: that's my mother's old home place. And then she told
Speaker 5: me about that. So the property that that old home
Speaker 5: place was on, yeah, it's still owned by the family
Speaker 5: that her mother was enslaved too. Oh my goodness, they're
Speaker 5: still there.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well that so let's think about the mask, because that
Speaker 1: is the most interesting thing. I remember one time when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, my dad and he used to
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. It's interesting that he would have used this analogy,
Speaker 1: but he said, really, the difference in time between Abe
Speaker 1: Lincoln's time and our time is really not that much.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand it when he said it, but I
Speaker 1: always remember him saying that.
Speaker 2: So this so you were what you were?
Speaker 1: You born Michael seventy six, So this would have been
Speaker 1: in the eighties, the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and older in this lady. This lady would have
Speaker 2: been in her eighties.
Speaker 5: She was ninety five ninety six, and it was like
Speaker 5: in I think she was born in like nineteen oh two, okay,
Speaker 5: and her mother was older when she had her. But
Speaker 5: her mother had like eighteen kids something like that. Wow,
Speaker 5: So she had kids own up until she was quite
Speaker 5: a bit older. Fleecy the one that I'm talking about
Speaker 5: had twenty one kids raised. Every one of them didn't lose.
Speaker 2: Twenty one children, one kids fleet. Her day was fleecy. Wow.
Speaker 4: My granddad was born eighteen ninety eight, so people that
Speaker 4: were forty years old, fifty years old, they were I
Speaker 4: mean he he would have known all kinds of people
Speaker 4: and veterans, people lived through it and everything.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the way that I when Michael said that,
Speaker 1: I got to thinking and I thought this through this before,
Speaker 1: but it rekindled the idea, like my grandfather would have
Speaker 1: grown up around old men that were Civil War veterans.
Speaker 5: So I didn't even think about. My wife right now
Speaker 5: is driving back from Florida with her cousin. Her cousin
Speaker 5: is early sixties. She was a late child for her father.
Speaker 5: Her father was born in eighteen ninety five. Wow. Wow,
Speaker 5: he was in his sixty something pushing seventy when she
Speaker 5: was born. Wo. So you can get close really quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just not that many generations. Time
Speaker 1: is so deceptive that it feels like that was just
Speaker 1: so long ago.
Speaker 5: But you know, well, and there's been so much change,
Speaker 5: you know, and we look back on that stuff. Like
Speaker 5: he was talking about Lincoln and you know it come
Speaker 5: across in a podcast like you really couldn't believe he'd
Speaker 5: think like that, And then I want to free the slaves.
Speaker 5: But like I said, he was a product of his time,
Speaker 5: and we all want to think we'd be the hero
Speaker 5: and something like that, and we probably wouldn't be. You know,
Speaker 5: you would probably be You may have owned slaves, you know,
Speaker 5: if that was how you raise you were raised. Setting
Speaker 5: now you think, oh, there's no way, there's no way
Speaker 5: I could I could think like that, but you probably
Speaker 5: would have.
Speaker 4: But if you if you just take one of those
Speaker 4: guys like you've done and look and read a biography
Speaker 4: of their life, like you can do it with Jackson,
Speaker 4: you can do it with Nathan Bedford Forrest for crying out.
Speaker 7: Loud had had a slave.
Speaker 4: Markets was one of the most fierce cavalry officers. I mean,
Speaker 4: the Union feared him, you know, and they talked him
Speaker 4: into heading up to klu klux Klan right after the
Speaker 4: war when Blacks were getting elected to office and everything
Speaker 4: sometime in that period in his later life after that
Speaker 4: he got out of that pretty quick. He ran into
Speaker 4: a veteran buddy his he said, I thought you were
Speaker 4: in Mexico or somewhere, and he said, now I'm back here.
Speaker 4: And I think he was actually preaching or something then. Anyway,
Speaker 4: he asked Bedford for us if he'd ever made a
Speaker 4: decision to follow the Lord, and he said, now, there
Speaker 4: was too much non Christian stuff work to be done.
Speaker 4: When you asked me that during the war, they said,
Speaker 4: we need to take care of that, and they go
Speaker 4: and there's an account of him, you know, with this
Speaker 4: guy making that decision, and he actually becomes an advocate
Speaker 4: for black folks at that time, went to some picnics,
Speaker 4: had awards given. You don't ever hear that part of
Speaker 4: his history. He had a complete turnaround from where he
Speaker 4: was us. And I think you could say the same
Speaker 4: for Lee. Thought it was terrible, but he inherited some
Speaker 4: of his slaves and he couldn't get rid of him
Speaker 4: without paying a big I don't know what they called it,
Speaker 4: but there's some kind of fee had to pay the
Speaker 4: kids if he got rid of the slaves.
Speaker 7: You know. So it's complicated. History is complicated.
Speaker 4: I think our country we still should be proud that
Speaker 4: we were able to I don't I don't know if
Speaker 4: there's another case in history where you have an enslaved
Speaker 4: people and you free those people, if that's ever happened.
Speaker 5: Well, where half of the country fought the other half
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 4: Right, right right, So depends on how you look at it.
Speaker 4: I guess, you know, it's a perspective thing too. But
Speaker 4: Lincoln said about changing his mind like stuff, you're saying
Speaker 4: what he said earlier, and he said, I don't claim
Speaker 4: to have been able to control events. Events control me.
Speaker 4: In other words, he had to change his mind about things,
Speaker 4: like he went from not we don't want to make
Speaker 4: this about emancipation, we just want to get to keep
Speaker 4: a union together, to where we're gonna go for broke,
Speaker 4: you know, and get her done.
Speaker 7: So he was able to do that, you know.
Speaker 5: It's an implicated man. Yeah, And he was extremely depressed Lincoln. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's a whole there's books about it. I've read one,
Speaker 5: The Melancholy of Lincoln. And I mean he spent there,
Speaker 5: his friends thought that he'd kill himself. He spent a
Speaker 5: long time just later in the war period, during the
Speaker 5: war before the war, so leading up to the presidency. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was extremely depressed.
Speaker 7: And then when he lost his boy that was another period.
Speaker 7: So but.
Speaker 4: But he was the right guy at the right place
Speaker 4: at the right time, as it turned out, you know. So, yeah,
Speaker 4: there were compromises that legislatures tried to make that would
Speaker 4: have ended things with it being unsettled and it would
Speaker 4: have just gone on forever. So uh, he did he
Speaker 4: he did us a great service as president.
Speaker 5: I will say that, you know, so general as he
Speaker 5: picked early on too, missed a lot of opportunities to
Speaker 5: end that war early that they just missed. Let him
Speaker 5: get away. Just that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Mm hm hm, yeah, Bear, what's that to you?
Speaker 6: Well, kind of the same as everybody else, but really
Speaker 6: like the you know, like you always hear about Abraham
Speaker 6: Lincoln saying, you know that black people were not equal
Speaker 6: to white people, but he freed the slaves.
Speaker 2: You've heard that before.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Okay, he went to a great school.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've heard that before. Uh, And yeah, I think it.
Speaker 6: I agree with everyone, Like from this point in history,
Speaker 6: it's really easy to look back and be judgmental of that,
Speaker 6: but you know, I do. I do agree with what
Speaker 6: Michael said, Like it does seem like if you if
Speaker 6: you grew up in that environment, then those are just
Speaker 6: the thinking systems that are built then that you don't
Speaker 6: necessarily choose to have in a lot of ways. And
Speaker 6: so yeah, like looking back on it, it's kind of
Speaker 6: hard to believe, but I do feel like that's uh,
Speaker 6: like it's it's not terribly surprising to me. Whenever I
Speaker 6: heard that, it was just kind of like, yeah, it's
Speaker 6: probably probably the way that everybody thought then. But for
Speaker 6: his time, he was pretty far ahead of the pretty
Speaker 6: far ahead of the rest of the pretty far ahead
Speaker 6: of the game. But yeah, and I also I think
Speaker 6: in one hundred years there will be a lot of
Speaker 6: things that we're doing now about in the future, people
Speaker 6: are gonna be like, what are you kidding me? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: Like I feel like a lot of environmental.
Speaker 2: Stuff, Yeah, will definitely be.
Speaker 6: Like y'all, we're driving gasoline trucks every day to work
Speaker 6: fifty miles and back stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, look back and say about this, why didn't you
Speaker 3: change it?
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Because we have lots of people who are who are
Speaker 3: you know, declaring warnings, but.
Speaker 7: You didn't think water was important. That's a good thing.
Speaker 2: That's a good example.
Speaker 5: Bear. One of the things we talked about early on
Speaker 5: was you know, why would why like Benjamin Frank Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 5: Thomas Jefferson had slaves but condemned it. It was his pocketbook.
Speaker 5: It's why he still had slaves. The same reason. We
Speaker 5: we're using stuff. That cell phone setting on Misty's lap
Speaker 5: right now probably has some stuff in it that we
Speaker 5: wouldn't be real proud of who the people are that are,
Speaker 5: you know, getting there, But we have it because we
Speaker 5: need it, so we kind of ignore it. And I
Speaker 5: believe that was the same, yes, same thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like it would be pretty tough for me to
Speaker 6: just be like, all right, I'm never driving a gasoline
Speaker 6: vehicle again and then just like not drive anywhere, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, like I guess he use an electric vehicle,
Speaker 6: but he'd ride slow trap down. Yeah, I just have
Speaker 6: to ride. I just had to ride slow trap in
Speaker 6: the town. And it's like.
Speaker 5: People things like slow trapping cows produce too much methane
Speaker 5: and they're bad for the environment too, you know.
Speaker 6: So yeah, so you're kind of like it's not really
Speaker 6: much of an option now, it's like you kind of
Speaker 6: then you look back at Yeah, yeah, Abraham.
Speaker 1: I think that is actually a great example because I've
Speaker 1: been trying to think of things. I was half joking
Speaker 1: when I said, what do you think I'm doing that
Speaker 1: they're going to talk about? But I actually have been
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, what are the things?
Speaker 1: And there there are probably some uh you know when J. D. Hewitt,
Speaker 1: who did a fantastic job as my guest's History Underground
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, he he's he said, Clay, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about children mining cobalt in Africa?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, boy, that sounds bad. And he's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well you don't really do much about it, do you?
Speaker 2: And I'm like no.
Speaker 1: And you know, his point was people that didn't own
Speaker 1: slaves might have just been like, well, it's not really
Speaker 1: my problems, just kind of what those people are doing.
Speaker 1: But this thing about the environment about yeah, like driving
Speaker 1: the big trucks that we drive, but yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you be a normal person if you don't
Speaker 1: have a truck. I've joked at times that people are
Speaker 1: going to look back at pictures of plastic silverware and
Speaker 1: see me eating a piece of barbecue with a plastic
Speaker 1: fork and go, wow, what a monster. I mean, like
Speaker 1: the amount of we could talk about environmental stuff over
Speaker 1: and over, but like.
Speaker 2: Disposable plastics is just unreal.
Speaker 4: Every day, every restaurant, every just piles of it and
Speaker 4: microplastics and in all our stuff now, you know, And
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, like what Bear said later on, people are
Speaker 4: going to go, you knew this and took you how
Speaker 4: long to kind of wean off of that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 7: You know that. I that'll be a deal, you know,
Speaker 7: so wow.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's crazy. Speaking of crazy, I was very intrigued
Speaker 1: by Robert E.
Speaker 2: Lee's letter to his wife.
Speaker 1: I mean it the letter didn't somebody might have interpreted
Speaker 1: that as me saying, look, he was actually good and
Speaker 1: we thought he was bad. It really wasn't any of that.
Speaker 1: I was just surprised at his candidness and that he
Speaker 1: addressed much of what we're talking about, Like the guy
Speaker 1: Robert E Lee.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I also thought it was kind of weird.
Speaker 1: That we have access to a private letter he wrote
Speaker 1: to his wife. I mean, I just think about, like
Speaker 1: if he was alive, sitting right there in the Tacob's
Speaker 1: hot seat and I found that letter laying on the floor.
Speaker 1: What I picked it up and like read but but
Speaker 1: here here, you know, one hundred and sixty years later,
Speaker 1: I'm like reading it, and you know, maybe he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have said that publicly. I mean there's things I would
Speaker 1: say to my wife I wouldn't say publicly. I just
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah that No. I thought that's super interesting. And
Speaker 8: it's that's a that's an incredible point about I think
Speaker 8: that that's probably a great place to know what people
Speaker 8: were thinking, because it wasn't. It's not like today where
Speaker 8: we're looking in our cell phones and people, you know,
Speaker 8: influencers are sharing like their deepest reflective thoughts about about things.
Speaker 8: This is his letter to this is his letter to
Speaker 8: his wife. This is a private text message, something that
Speaker 8: you don't think is gonna yeah that is actually yeah
Speaker 8: yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 7: And her response was not a thumbs up.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So I think it's I thought that was that was
Speaker 8: super interesting. And I think to your point, you're not
Speaker 8: really saying this guy was good and this guy was
Speaker 8: bad or you're not. You're just saying, like, hey, this
Speaker 8: is a little bit more complex than than anyone knows.
Speaker 8: And it's easy to put these people in these box.
Speaker 8: But when you read these letters from both of them,
Speaker 8: and you read their speeches and you read this intimate communication,
Speaker 8: you learn a little bit more. And it's just it's
Speaker 8: just the whole thing is a little bit more nuanced.
Speaker 2: I mean, Roberty Lee was essentially saying, I'm rooting for
Speaker 2: the end of slavery. That's what I felt like he
Speaker 2: was saying.
Speaker 7: Oh, he was praying for it.
Speaker 4: It actually sounded like he was the way he said
Speaker 4: he was praying for that end or something.
Speaker 1: Yes, the language was a little hard to follow at times,
Speaker 1: but but yeah he was, Yeah, he did. He said
Speaker 1: he was praying for the end of slavery. And then
Speaker 1: but this guy he owned slaves. His wife owned a
Speaker 1: bunch of slaves.
Speaker 8: And you kind of wonder, I actually, when I was
Speaker 8: listening to that, wonder if he was like telling her, Hey,
Speaker 8: get rid of yours. You know, you need to dial
Speaker 8: it back. Yeah, you're not, do you know what I'm saying? Like,
Speaker 8: as you listen to it and you think, this is
Speaker 8: not this is not a historical text that this man
Speaker 8: is writing. This is not public information. He's he's talking
Speaker 8: to a woman who clearly has a different stance than
Speaker 8: he does.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we don't know that.
Speaker 8: Well, it sounds a little bit like it based on
Speaker 8: what Clay Newcombe sound Berger's podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well as and I'm not an expert on Robert E. Lee,
Speaker 1: but what I read was that her his wife's father
Speaker 1: was a big time plantation. I mean this Roberty Lee
Speaker 1: is like a gentleman of Virginia. So he marries into
Speaker 1: this wealthy, rich family.
Speaker 5: So Grant was the same way. Grant married into a
Speaker 5: family that had a lot of slaves and his father
Speaker 5: was an abolitionist.
Speaker 2: So Grant's father, but so Grant's wife.
Speaker 5: Grant's wife, they own slaves. Yeah, it was kind of
Speaker 5: hard for those two to reconcile that. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 5: you can be more than one thing. You know. We
Speaker 5: like to take something someone did in their past or
Speaker 5: whatever and put them in a box. Two things can
Speaker 5: be true at the same time.
Speaker 2: And time as well.
Speaker 1: Like I think if you took a Clay Nukeombe at
Speaker 1: twenty years old and just could extract every thought in
Speaker 1: my mind and beliefs and doctrine of life, and then
Speaker 1: you extracted that today or maybe when I'm seventy, I
Speaker 1: would be a different person. And I could be I
Speaker 1: actually could be a different person that would look back
Speaker 1: and be like, man, I was so young, young and foolish,
Speaker 1: and so you know, like.
Speaker 2: Where did where would a guy like Robert E.
Speaker 1: Lee have ended up? And he didn't live that long.
Speaker 1: He only lived like just shortly after the Civil War,
Speaker 1: maybe five years. I think he died before eighteen seventy,
Speaker 1: but he was in his sixties. Maybe he became the
Speaker 1: president of this college. He did quite a bit of
Speaker 1: stuff and.
Speaker 5: Told that all that would have took well.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, and then you had the change in
Speaker 4: administrations where you know, Grant's conditions were magnanimous to everybody
Speaker 4: and there was healing, you know, would have been better
Speaker 4: if Lincoln was still around. But then you get a
Speaker 4: change in administrations. They actually indict in for treason at
Speaker 4: some point, I think. So you had to go through
Speaker 4: all that, you know. So yeah, it's just hard to
Speaker 4: imagine what the turmoil they lived through, you know.
Speaker 2: Josh, what stood that to you?
Speaker 3: Well, you know the old saying hindsight is twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: and I think that might be accurate personally, But like
Speaker 3: looking back at history, what I'm kind of gleaning from
Speaker 3: these episodes is that things are a lot more complex
Speaker 3: than we want them to be. We want them to
Speaker 3: be very cut and dried, and we want to be
Speaker 3: able to pass judgment on these historical figures and events
Speaker 3: so that we can so that we can decry somebody
Speaker 3: or we can we can exalt someone. And I just
Speaker 3: just as these things are, you know, I hadn't heard
Speaker 3: that stuff about Abraham Lincoln. It was a surprise to
Speaker 3: me when I when I heard it, and uh, it
Speaker 3: kind of it has the ability to change your view
Speaker 3: of someone, you know, in an instant. And I just
Speaker 3: feel like the purpose of going back and looking at
Speaker 3: history like this is so that we can learn things
Speaker 3: more about ourselves and what to do. And I think
Speaker 3: I think the thing that that that really stands out,
Speaker 3: and you know, we're talking about a subject that's been
Speaker 3: so sensitive in American culture since the Civil War, of racism,
Speaker 3: and that it really comes down to the fact that
Speaker 3: we have to we have to look at our own conscience.
Speaker 3: We have to live out of our conscience, and that
Speaker 3: if you're not doing that, you are going to be
Speaker 3: you're going to be making the wrong decision for you.
Speaker 3: And I think I think looking at looking at Abraham
Speaker 3: Lincoln and looking at these guys, you know, I think
Speaker 3: Abraham Lincoln, to the best of his ability, lived out
Speaker 3: of his conscience, and I think it guided him the
Speaker 3: right way. And I think looking at Robert Robert E. Lee,
Speaker 3: I think eventually it would have guided him the right
Speaker 3: way because they were men of principle. Looking at their lives,
Speaker 3: they they believed in principles. I think their principles changed
Speaker 3: over the course of their lives. And that's one of
Speaker 3: the things that I really appreciate about this episode specifically,
Speaker 3: is I felt like I got a more holistic view
Speaker 3: into who these guys were. Am I going to say, well,
Speaker 3: you know, I had these these views of Roberty Lee
Speaker 3: as being this Confederate, you know, rebel racist, and now
Speaker 3: I feel like he's the other way. No, but it
Speaker 3: does give me a view that he was much more
Speaker 3: moderate than what I thought he would be. And even
Speaker 3: looking at Abraham Lincoln Lincoln to say he was he
Speaker 3: was limited by the by the culture of his time,
Speaker 3: yet at the same time he was still a groundbreaker
Speaker 3: inside of that. And we can't we can't hold these
Speaker 3: guys to the same standard that we would expect now
Speaker 3: because we have more knowledge. And so it does it
Speaker 3: require aires me to live my day by the cont
Speaker 3: by my conscience, by what what what I feel inside
Speaker 3: of me to make the next right choice about the
Speaker 3: things that I'm doing.
Speaker 5: I really understand too, the the we're loyalties live at
Speaker 5: that point. So we're all Americans, and we all like
Speaker 5: to think we're patriots to America. As in the federal America,
Speaker 5: they were loyal to their state. The whole idea of
Speaker 5: America hadn't really grown that much yet. They were lolled
Speaker 5: down to their county that they were in. So you know,
Speaker 5: like Robert E. Lee, if that war hadn't moved into Virginia,
Speaker 5: he probably would have never done anything right. You know.
Speaker 5: It was the fact that he was loyal to the
Speaker 5: people in his area is why he was in that war.
Speaker 7: They'd referred to as their country.
Speaker 4: Like if I said, how's everything in your country, I'm
Speaker 4: talking about Arkansas, right, you know, And that's right.
Speaker 5: It was a whole different outlook on what the United
Speaker 5: States is versus how we feel about it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good that's a good point.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was actually is a good point because it
Speaker 8: was kind of confusing to me. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 8: I do love Arkansas, but it was a little bit like, well,
Speaker 8: if Roberty Lee didn't like, didn't want slaves or what
Speaker 8: on earth, just because he couldn't fight against his home state.
Speaker 8: You know that that makes a look, that makes that
Speaker 8: have a little bit more sense.
Speaker 1: Well, in the at some point we're going to address this,
Speaker 1: because I talked about it pretty extensively with JD. But
Speaker 1: the reasons people fought in the South were so interesting
Speaker 1: because to me, it's more interesting than the reason people
Speaker 1: fought in the North. The people fought in the North
Speaker 1: to preserve the Union and perhaps out of a moral
Speaker 1: obligation to abolition, but not much probably, But my point
Speaker 1: about in the South, there would be a general idea that, well,
Speaker 1: anybody fought for the Confederacy would be you know, like
Speaker 1: pro slavery, have slaves.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't true at all.
Speaker 7: There's a great quote if you go back.
Speaker 4: I don't know when ken Burn's Civil War series came out,
Speaker 4: probably the eighties maybe, but it's in Shelby's foot voice.
Speaker 4: I can still hear him say. One of the Yankees
Speaker 4: talking to a captures Confederate saying why are you fighting us?
Speaker 4: And the and the and the Confederate soldier says, because
Speaker 4: you're down here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 7: For them for that guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the country.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why we're fighting because you're down here.
Speaker 1: It's like it's just yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what we're
Speaker 1: going to cover, is like why people would fight and
Speaker 1: uh in the in the they're varied, varied reasons, but
Speaker 1: mainly it had to do with what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It's just like, well, this is this is our people.
Speaker 1: And even Roberty Leave's letter to his wife, it's like
Speaker 1: he talks about, you know, slavery's bad. It's bad for owners,
Speaker 1: it's bad for slaves, it's bad for your soul. God
Speaker 1: doesn't like it. We're praying that the n but those
Speaker 1: people have no right to come down here and tell
Speaker 1: us what to do like that.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we think that we're independent. They were fiercely
Speaker 5: independent of the government. So you know that that had
Speaker 5: a lot to do with while they were fighting.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, very interesting. Anything else stand out to you, Missy? No,
Speaker 2: that was it.
Speaker 8: Well that's all I got.
Speaker 2: That's all you got. Well, I'm looking forward to the
Speaker 2: next Uh, We're gonna do a couple more episodes. I'm
Speaker 2: just going to.
Speaker 1: Keep doing these until I feel satisfied with what I know.
Speaker 1: So Uh, we've got a few more left in us,
Speaker 1: which which I think is good. I think I enjoy
Speaker 1: having a series that. I mean, you can't learn much
Speaker 1: in an hour, but if you had a three art
Speaker 1: when I think about like the way we covered Daniel
Speaker 1: Boone and Takumpsa and Ostiola and some of these historical things,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty good resource to deliver to people you
Speaker 1: can go listen to. I think our Boon series maybe
Speaker 1: just had three episodes, but it's like one of them
Speaker 1: was an hour and a half. There was a time
Speaker 1: when Berg Greece is were an hour and a half long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean three or four hours. It's pretty cover
Speaker 1: quite a bit of information. And yes, well I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to taking my my light out.
Speaker 2: Yes I do.
Speaker 5: Fifteen coons last night?
Speaker 2: You really?
Speaker 5: Thirteen coons and two in the ground? Wow? Home at
Speaker 5: two o'clock this morning?
Speaker 2: Oh really?
Speaker 1: Boys, Well, Michael's down in the in the some of
Speaker 1: the best coon hunting there is down the Delta, Arkansas, Delta.
Speaker 3: Damn down there right now.
Speaker 8: It's not bad a bad year for for folks.
Speaker 2: In What dog are you hunting?
Speaker 7: Now? Heck?
Speaker 2: Why did you name him?
Speaker 5: Heck? I didn't I don't. I don't know why he's
Speaker 5: named Heck. I sold him as a wan puppy and
Speaker 5: brought him back when he's eleven months old, and that's
Speaker 5: the name he came with. Heck he already knew it.
Speaker 5: So that's what we stole.
Speaker 2: Because they were saying, what the heck got a puppy
Speaker 2: out of him?
Speaker 5: Right now it's five months old. I named him heck yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny. Heck yeah, heck yeah Mmmm. What's what's
Speaker 2: the best coon dog names? Run through some of the
Speaker 2: old year coon dog names over the year.
Speaker 3: One syllable coon dog or two.
Speaker 5: I like to be a one syllable dog name, no
Speaker 5: matter what the dog is. I think they understand it
Speaker 5: better when I call him more. I don't know, man,
Speaker 5: I haven't had that great dog name Haller I had.
Speaker 5: I had two Hallers Haller, Yeah, Haller and little Haller.
Speaker 7: Lum Champ Homer coon dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh really what breed worthy?
Speaker 7: Well?
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me let me guess.
Speaker 4: Blue tick one was okay, one was well. I had
Speaker 4: one blue tick that was afraid of the dark. There
Speaker 4: were there there were there were a pair out of
Speaker 4: the same litter, and you'd have your light, and they
Speaker 4: weren't disc of lights. We talked about the and you'd
Speaker 4: hear something walking, there'd be there'd be the dog and
Speaker 4: stop routes and you'd stop and it's like, didn't work out.
Speaker 4: The dog was afraid of the dark. But yeah, there
Speaker 4: was a long time ago. But yeah, a couple of
Speaker 4: blue ticks had a red bone. Uh, no walkers. I
Speaker 4: never had a walker.
Speaker 2: I could have told you that. I knew it. I knew,
Speaker 2: I knew this man didn't have a walker in English?
Speaker 2: Are you wow? That's groundbreaking. No.
Speaker 5: I like them coming from Georgia.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, name in mind.
Speaker 5: I don't name them until I know I'm going to
Speaker 5: keep them. I don't like to waste good names.
Speaker 8: That's exactly what I'm saying. That's exactly what we we
Speaker 8: named it do I named it I just loved and
Speaker 8: and it was a no good dog and it ended
Speaker 8: up believing. I don't want to say its name in
Speaker 8: case the current.
Speaker 2: Owner, well, in case someone we know has a child
Speaker 2: named that.
Speaker 8: That's the one I'm talking about. For nutscoon.
Speaker 2: That was not a good dog or a good name.
Speaker 5: So until they've done something that I go, I'm going
Speaker 5: to keep this dog. I normally don't know that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but I mean I normally know that by the time
Speaker 5: they're six or seven months.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I just, I just I was just going
Speaker 1: back through some of my the first well, I had
Speaker 1: bird dogs. I had a bird dog named Lucy at
Speaker 1: a pointer bird dog named Nick that my grandfather gave
Speaker 1: me named but oh man, my first registered blue tick
Speaker 1: coon dog was named Newcomb's wash It Tall Southern Blue thunder.
Speaker 1: Try to call him in the woods Newcomb's Arkansas wash
Speaker 1: it dog.
Speaker 2: Thunder, thunder thunder.
Speaker 3: We had we had a dog name guess whatcher and
Speaker 3: we just called him, uh that what?
Speaker 1: And then the pair was Newcomb's wash Tall Southern blue Lightning,
Speaker 1: thunder and lightning.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 5: Daddy's name was wood w o D.
Speaker 2: That was a good dog.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had two dogs when I was a teenager named.
Speaker 7: Rolex and Sako.
Speaker 8: They would not have made good coon dogs. I'm just
Speaker 8: telling you right now, they would not have been good.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: You imagine two dogs out there in the timber. What's
Speaker 4: your name? My name is Rolex, What are you doing?
Speaker 7: That was dog?
Speaker 2: So that's what I named I forgot to.
Speaker 1: All the while josh, Oh my gosh, he is not
Speaker 1: from around here. I forgot to mention that this light
Speaker 1: has a laser on it.
Speaker 5: Don't shine it in your eyes.
Speaker 8: He likes to shine that kind of stuff at me,
Speaker 8: so you can point out that's your one, that guys,
Speaker 8: and uh, none of it really like the laser.
Speaker 5: Really, I bet he shined a long way up there.
Speaker 2: On the ice. Yeah, clearer, he could shine along with
Speaker 2: on the ice. Excuse me. Yeah, it's got a laser
Speaker 2: for pointing. Can you see it?
Speaker 3: You can see it?
Speaker 7: Look?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, nice, don't burn up our censor now, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else we need to cover?
Speaker 1: Anybody got any other thoughts anything you want to say?
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Speaker 5: Mm hmmmm hmm belonging here.
Speaker 2: As you'll notice he's not here. Uh well, uh.
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm gonna We're gonna watch the NBA finals game tonight.
Speaker 2: We don't talk about sports on this podcast or fly fishing,
Speaker 2: but uh we're big. I don't watch NBA, but the
Speaker 2: finals that playoffs we like to watch.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna go check that out. Kyle,
Speaker 1: once again, thank you for coming. And if you're ever,
Speaker 1: let's expand the radius to thirty miles from here, and
Speaker 1: you see mules loose, just yea, let's go ahead and
Speaker 1: catch them. If you don't mind, I'll and uh, Michael,
Speaker 1: thanks a ton for coming. Yeah man, no, it's I'm
Speaker 1: glad you're here. And I'm proud of my new light.
Speaker 1: And I'm a little jealous of that one.
Speaker 8: I'm actually a little jealous of that one too, because
Speaker 8: when we go on, Yeah, Clay likes to he always
Speaker 8: has the light. We go we go on a lot
Speaker 8: of night walks around here, and.
Speaker 1: Okay, life hack, just we're kind of throwing in some
Speaker 1: for all of you who've hung on this long. Misty
Speaker 1: and I are incessant walkers.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's true, it is true.
Speaker 2: And uh, I think you walk quite a bit too.
Speaker 2: They walked a long ways today.
Speaker 1: Uh, but we walk at night if we like, sometimes
Speaker 1: before we go to bed. Whar it's like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: go for a walk and we'll go walk a mile
Speaker 1: and I'll wear my coon light.
Speaker 5: Need what is that? Don't you have one?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I need?
Speaker 8: I need to because it's it's like an imbalance of
Speaker 8: power when you when one person has a powerful light
Speaker 8: and the other person is like using their cell phone,
Speaker 8: you know, I mean, there's a help me out.
Speaker 2: My ben Oak light has disappeared.
Speaker 5: I don't even want to hear it in the lake.
Speaker 3: That probably actually is true. Bear, it's still shining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still it's still rolling. Yeah. So thanks so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thanks for everybody.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to these episodes and and engaging with
Speaker 1: them on the platform arms and on social media and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: And thanks for listening to Brent's podcast This Country Life
Speaker 1: likes Backward University and yup keep the wild Places wild
Speaker 1: because that's where the bears live.