WEBVTT - Ep. 136: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - The Greatest Flood

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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<v Speaker 1>we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear,

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<v Speaker 1>American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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<v Speaker 1>to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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<v Speaker 2>Brent haven't told you about my raccoon woes.

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<v Speaker 3>No, So.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys know I have two very large dogs, ye

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<v Speaker 2>great danes. Great Danes that eat ate a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>dog food. And I keep the dog food on my

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<v Speaker 2>back deck and I have it in a big tub

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<v Speaker 2>because I buy it one hundred pounds at a time

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<v Speaker 2>and it lasts like three weeks. I go through about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred punds of dog food in about three three

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<v Speaker 2>and a half weeks. But I've the dog food lid

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<v Speaker 2>was off a few times. A couple months ago. It

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<v Speaker 2>was off a few times, and I'm like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I put two and two together that the

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<v Speaker 2>raccoons have figured out how to open up my dog

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<v Speaker 2>food tub. Yes, so I got a rack. So I

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<v Speaker 2>knew I had a raccoon because this raccoon was leaving

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<v Speaker 2>me a little deposit on the back deck every night too.

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<v Speaker 2>So so finally I got around a bar on a

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<v Speaker 2>live trap from a friend of ours to try to

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<v Speaker 2>help with things. I bought a new dog food tub

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<v Speaker 2>that has locking handles on the end. So I put

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<v Speaker 2>the live trap out, put a little bowl of dog

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<v Speaker 2>food in there on the you know the little deal

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<v Speaker 2>that that on the spring of the trap. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>I my dogs. I hear them wrestling in the night

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<v Speaker 2>because I sleep in our room, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh man. And I had put a ring camera out

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<v Speaker 2>on the back porch and I was. I popped it

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<v Speaker 2>up and I see a pair of eyes. I'm like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I got that raccoon. And I go outside and lo

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<v Speaker 2>and behold, your great dane was in the trap. Lo

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<v Speaker 2>and behold, I got two raccoons in one trap. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I uh, I was like, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Tried, you was shopping to come in here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. They look pretty young. So that was on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>When I went out there to to to check the trap.

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<v Speaker 2>Those sorry suckers had flipped the handles down on the

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<v Speaker 2>dog food ben and they were getting in there and

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<v Speaker 2>getting dog food out of there first, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>caught him. I was like, yes, my all my problems

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<v Speaker 2>are solved. And till that was on Wednesday night. Thursday night,

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<v Speaker 2>the dog food bind is open and there's raccoon tracks

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<v Speaker 2>in the water bowl. I was like, are you moaning me?

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<v Speaker 1>There's more?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I put the trap out again last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and at five o'clock this morning, I hear like it

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<v Speaker 2>sounded like somebody's knocking on my door, like they needed

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<v Speaker 2>to get in. And I'm kind of in a in

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<v Speaker 2>a stupor, and I'm like, what's going on? And then

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<v Speaker 2>I realized I got a raccoon, and I got that

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<v Speaker 2>other raccoon, and I got knocked on your door, knocked

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<v Speaker 2>on the door. So I go out to the back

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<v Speaker 2>porch and opened the door and what do I see?

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<v Speaker 2>Two raccoons in the track, two fruits, and not only that,

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<v Speaker 2>two more raccoons on the deck. Six six raccoons, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know there might be a hole, like they

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<v Speaker 2>may have moved in next door and I didn't know. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>six raccoons, that's crazy, but catching them at.

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<v Speaker 1>A time, that's pretty impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I got a dog grint.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I asked Clay, I said, you need you need.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm coon dog poor right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Did y'all notice on the podcast this week Clay's chair squeaking.

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<v Speaker 4>People talk about it all the time. I literally gets.

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<v Speaker 1>On the Grease podcast. Really I need to oil this

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<v Speaker 1>baby up. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render mile My.

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<v Speaker 1>What a monumentous day we have. We have two, We

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<v Speaker 1>have a return get.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say reports of his death have

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<v Speaker 2>been largely exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We have back back at the Meter South Global Headquarters.

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<v Speaker 3>We have Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>Believer nucom back back from back.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to see you with ions.

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<v Speaker 5>Good to be here. I can walk without pain now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>man will be dangerous.

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<v Speaker 4>She's been spritten up and down.

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<v Speaker 3>A whirl out scouting for deer.

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<v Speaker 6>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 5>And now I'm we'll quit hunt and start playing golf.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh wow, that's tragedy, isn't it. Well, it's good to

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<v Speaker 5>have you back. Yes, thank you. Good to have you back.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is long time coming, Brent. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 5>introduce our guests.

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<v Speaker 3>To my left.

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<v Speaker 6>To my left is my lovely wife, Alexis Reeves, fresh

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<v Speaker 6>fresh from the Bozeman, Montana head North headquarters.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, so good to finally be here.

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<v Speaker 2>You had to put yourself on someone else's podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Alexis, Alexis was on the meat Eater podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And never heard of it.

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<v Speaker 1>She had through meat Eater before she could be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>on this.

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<v Speaker 7>That's what I've been missing all these years.

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<v Speaker 1>Alexis. It's great to have you. You are clearly the

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<v Speaker 1>best thing going on with Brent. Absolutely, and then to

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<v Speaker 1>my to my left, the best thing going on with me,

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<v Speaker 1>mister newcam And then Josh Langbridge filmmaker, Josh, Yeah, did

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<v Speaker 1>you did you get a chance to read that Brendia book?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm I've started on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you really?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Good?

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<v Speaker 2>Ye good, It's very interesting. It's not what I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, we we have a lot to do on this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast today. First of all, I would like to to

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<v Speaker 1>present the reeves with some new Coom Farm apple butter. Josh, you, Christine,

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<v Speaker 1>that is some good apple butter. And I've already given

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<v Speaker 1>Juju and Dad.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good color.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had a bumper crop by apples. Yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 1>so we made apple butter, which apple butter is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much cooked down apples brown sugar and butter, no butter,

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<v Speaker 1>no butter and uh and uh uh cinnamon and some

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<v Speaker 1>vanilla and a few other secret ingredients. We got a

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<v Speaker 1>whole whole ingredients.

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<v Speaker 7>But it looks very good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good. It's good apple butter. You know, you can

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<v Speaker 1>use apple butter in a lot of different ways. I've learned.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been using it like a side dish, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like on Thanksgiving, like cranberry sauce. Like if you're eating

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<v Speaker 1>meat or eggs or whatever, you can just have a

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<v Speaker 1>big dollar of apple butter and just use it. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's fantastic, fantastic. I got to introduce this. I got

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<v Speaker 1>permission too. This is ad around the first of September,

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<v Speaker 1>Phelps Game Calls is going to come out with what

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<v Speaker 1>they're calling the clay newcomb Achorn grunt bleat. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not a joke. This is a really high end and

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<v Speaker 1>when I say high end, it's a it's actually quite

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<v Speaker 1>a revolutionary deer call. It is a two and one

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<v Speaker 1>grunt bleat, which I didn't realize. I was with Jason

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<v Speaker 1>Phelps in Mexico and I we were just talking about

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<v Speaker 1>deer calls and Phelps has a deer bleat and they

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<v Speaker 1>have a grunt and I said, man, we need a

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<v Speaker 1>two in one call. I don't want to carry two calls.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love a dough bleat. I've called up so

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<v Speaker 1>many deer with a dough bleed, especially before the rut.

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<v Speaker 1>During the rut, all you hear about in deer hunting

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<v Speaker 1>is grunt calls during the rut to get an aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>buck to come in. What you don't hear about is

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<v Speaker 1>in the early season using a bleat or what you

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<v Speaker 1>hear about it. But you know mainly guys are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about grunt calls. Well, I said, man, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>inhale exhale grunt call, and he was like, well, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't make any there's there isn't one. And they came

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<v Speaker 1>up with an incredible design. And this call is about

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<v Speaker 1>probably three it's probably longer than that. I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to say five and a half six inches, But it's

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<v Speaker 1>got a it's got a uh, it's got a a

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<v Speaker 1>good grunt that you can't top out. You can do

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<v Speaker 1>it real low.

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<v Speaker 3>Or you can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can it doesn't peg out. A lot of cheaper

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<v Speaker 1>grunt calls will peg out. Blow it as hard as

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<v Speaker 1>you can blow it. It won't peg out. But from the

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<v Speaker 1>same side you can inhale a very supple dobe blue. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that is awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Can it around and blow?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, So that's the thing. So if when you're hunting

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<v Speaker 1>real cold weather, if you want to not exhale into

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<v Speaker 1>the call and freeze the reeds, you can flip it

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<v Speaker 1>and suck inhale to get a grunt and then blow.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, anyway, and yeah, yeah, I was flipping it back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all couldn't see that. Okay, So there's not a call

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<v Speaker 1>like this. So in theory, you could inhale to get

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<v Speaker 1>a doe bleat and flip it and inhale to get

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<v Speaker 1>a butt grunt if you didn't want to freeze the reeds.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I like about the call this is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the can calls are so good, the little primos can calls,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they really are. I wanted a call that

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<v Speaker 1>you could replicate that soft and you can do it

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<v Speaker 1>on these. But but this is the Akron grunner. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the deer huntunter's grunner. Spell it too, Acron a

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<v Speaker 1>k E r n spelled spelled the the the old,

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<v Speaker 1>the old way, the way. Twenty percent of us in

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<v Speaker 1>the country say, and uh, this is made of genuine

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<v Speaker 1>white oak. Oh go and this is a deer hunter's call.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great call.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is, man and uh, it's even man. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't ask them to do this, they did it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got my signature on it. They're making really hundred

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<v Speaker 1>of these, making only five hundred of them. It is

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<v Speaker 1>called the it's called the acorn grunner, the acorn grunt

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<v Speaker 1>and bleat. And it's beautiful, little green uh, little little

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<v Speaker 1>green band in the middle, but it's made of white oak.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that tree right there fed deer.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, it'll go quick man. Yeah, lanyard too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you can get that phelps in early September.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a big getting big and uh you need

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<v Speaker 1>a dough bleat is you can call in a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>high percent, judas in the early season, bleeping at him.

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<v Speaker 3>Has that been your experience, Alexis?

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<v Speaker 4>Every time?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, every time I've been looking for something just like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, good, good, excellent, excellent, Brent. I have I

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple of questions for you. So I was

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this Country Life, Yeah, just today, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a story you telling there about punching your dad

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<v Speaker 1>in the stomach.

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<v Speaker 3>Well he was asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what was going through your mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, and I even told talked about it

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<v Speaker 6>in there, but it was like, I mean, I can

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<v Speaker 6>remember that, and it was like I watched that on

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<v Speaker 6>TV because I can't believe I would do it. I

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<v Speaker 6>was not a violent child by any means, and was

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<v Speaker 6>not a behavior problem either. But I was just laying

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<v Speaker 6>there and I guess I'd run out of things to

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<v Speaker 6>think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Other than going swimming.

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<v Speaker 6>And when I just looked over there at him, he

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<v Speaker 6>laid that he was so peaceful, that he was sleeping

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<v Speaker 6>so good.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like he was in a coma.

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<v Speaker 6>And and Reva Man she you know, she edits the

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<v Speaker 6>podcast Reva Hansen does, and she put that him in

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<v Speaker 6>there snore and it was absolutely perfect. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 6>was took right back to that spot. But I thought

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<v Speaker 6>I laid there and I looked at my little little

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<v Speaker 6>arms in the elementary school. I looked at my arm

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<v Speaker 6>and I thought, I wonder how hard I would have

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<v Speaker 6>to hit him to get elbow deep. So I just

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<v Speaker 6>set up on the edge of the bed. And you

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<v Speaker 6>are no more relaxed when you're in that first ten

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<v Speaker 6>minutes of real good sleep. I mean, you are out

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<v Speaker 6>because he was you could just just breathe and was

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<v Speaker 6>just like the ocean.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, it was just flowing, just easy.

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<v Speaker 6>I just set up on the bed and as hard

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<v Speaker 6>as I could, I tried to put my fist from

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<v Speaker 6>his belly to his backbone. And let me tell you,

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<v Speaker 6>it don't regardless of how good your dad is sleeping

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<v Speaker 6>or what kind of state of coma tose he's in,

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<v Speaker 6>he comes wake pretty quick when when you do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was I couldn't. I got two steps.

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<v Speaker 6>Away from the bed, you know, thinking right then the

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<v Speaker 6>best place I could be was anywhere that he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>And he caught me, and I just know I'm dead.

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<v Speaker 6>He's gonna kill me. But he didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously I lived through it and he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>That's part of the story. So this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>a story on this country life podcast. It's about swimming

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<v Speaker 1>holes and and and the climax of the story is

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<v Speaker 1>his dad takes him swimming after this. Okay, but what

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<v Speaker 1>but his dad wanted to take a nap before they

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<v Speaker 1>went swimming.

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<v Speaker 6>We'd been fishing that morning. We've been fishing that morning

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<v Speaker 6>was from Yep, Briam fishing. Caught a big mess of fish,

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<v Speaker 6>and when took him up there and cooked them for dinner,

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<v Speaker 6>some folks would say lunch, they'd be wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we took it.

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<v Speaker 6>Then he said, as soon as we get this, get

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<v Speaker 6>you cleaned up, we're gonna we're gonna rest am in

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<v Speaker 6>it and then we're gonna go swimming. Well, I knew

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<v Speaker 6>rest am in it was nap and I ain't about

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<v Speaker 6>no nap. Or let me let me rephrase that. I

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't about no nap. Then then, yeah, I see the

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<v Speaker 6>value of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I was in the fifth or sixth grade,

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<v Speaker 3>so mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what were you thinking when you married Brent?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know how long have y'all been about it.

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<v Speaker 4>What we told Steve twelve.

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<v Speaker 7>Years, I think is what we told him.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we're telling people, I think.

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<v Speaker 8>But I'm a little worried about this story about him

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<v Speaker 8>punching his dad during that time, because I'm a big napper.

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<v Speaker 4>You're concerned.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm a little concerned about this, and maybe this is

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<v Speaker 8>why I've heard that story.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you haven't heard this story. You told me

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<v Speaker 1>that story before, Yeah, you have when it when he

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<v Speaker 1>came on, I remember you didn't give me the context

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<v Speaker 1>of swimming holes. I remember one time you're saying you

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<v Speaker 1>punched your dad in the stomach.

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<v Speaker 3>Sleep.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I never did anything like that after that, before

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<v Speaker 6>or after, So I don't know it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was, do you ever?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so. No, I would have killed him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't think so. I do remember

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<v Speaker 1>one time we were taking care of my littlest brother

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<v Speaker 1>when he was just a baby, and you were asleep,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were Me and Zach are just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like tired of messing with him, and so I remember

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<v Speaker 1>putting him on your belly and like running you got

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, this is this guy's response. No, okay, Brent,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me so since Alexis is here, and tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one time you told me so Alexis is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a city girl.

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Or am I right very much? Okay? And you told

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<v Speaker 1>me one time that you quoted the words to a

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<v Speaker 1>Reda Lynn song to her telling her a story, and

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<v Speaker 1>she thought.

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<v Speaker 6>We hadn't been married long and it was coming before

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<v Speaker 6>Christmas before yeah, and we had it was before Christmas

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<v Speaker 6>and before we had long before we ever had Bailey.

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<v Speaker 3>And she asked me.

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<v Speaker 6>Something about a Christmas ornament. She said, do you have

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<v Speaker 6>a special Christmas ornament from when you were a child

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<v Speaker 6>and I said. She got looked over at me and

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<v Speaker 6>sad face as I could put on. I said, no,

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<v Speaker 6>we didn't have Christmas ornaments.

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<v Speaker 3>We were poor. And she said, oh, you know, just

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<v Speaker 3>like oh, you know, I'm not going.

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<v Speaker 7>To go there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's obviously a bad place.

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<v Speaker 6>And I said, now, if I can get their lyrics

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<v Speaker 6>right here, I said, you know, in the in the summertime,

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<v Speaker 6>we didn't have shoes to wear. She said you didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>I said no, I said, but in the winter time

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<v Speaker 6>we'd all get a brand new pair. She said, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>that's good, I said, I said my mama. My mama

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<v Speaker 6>would order them from a male order catalog. She said really,

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<v Speaker 6>I said, yeah. It was money made for my dad

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<v Speaker 6>selling the hog. She said, did you grow up on

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<v Speaker 6>the Little House on my period? And I said, no,

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<v Speaker 6>that's the lyrics to Cold Miner's daughter. She ain't trusted

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<v Speaker 6>the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Up, said yeah. She called me an idiot.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, you idiot, Josh, can you play us that song?

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<v Speaker 1>You know that song?

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<v Speaker 3>I know of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never played it, but.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dad, yesterday was your fiftieth wedding anniversary. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>quite a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>If you kept Judy with you for that long, you

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<v Speaker 2>must be quite.

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<v Speaker 1>That you got married in nineteen seventy three, seventy three,

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three, Yeah, August, I believe fifty years. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good man.

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<v Speaker 3>That's got to be the longest hostage case in history.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'll tell you what it's it's been terrible, but

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<v Speaker 5>we suffered too. If you know miss Judy new Come,

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<v Speaker 5>she's a real sweetheart. Oh gosh ya, no, anyway, have

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<v Speaker 5>been real blessed to have Judy nukelem mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So was I pretty fortunate?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, y'are lucky you had her when you were raised up.

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<v Speaker 5>She was the kind of mother that would just she

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't discipline or whip or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>He's all love.

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<v Speaker 5>And on the other side it was me. It made

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<v Speaker 5>a good balance, really.

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<v Speaker 1>Good cup, bad cup.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's congratulations on fifty years.

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<v Speaker 3>That's big, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a pretty big deal, really big thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Alexis, what what was it like being on the Meteor podcasts?

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<v Speaker 1>So Alexis, have we already said that yet? Alexis was

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<v Speaker 1>on the media.

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<v Speaker 8>But if you can never say it too much and

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<v Speaker 8>in reality, in reality, I just said hi, and how

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<v Speaker 8>many years I was married to Brent?

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<v Speaker 1>But I was there talking about dire wolves and all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>Correct, and I love dogs, So it was great. I

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<v Speaker 7>learned a lot. I did learn a lot. It was fun.

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<v Speaker 7>I was honored to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Brent's little video kind of went viral on

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<v Speaker 1>just showed it to me talking talking about talking about

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<v Speaker 1>cats eating the nose off of dead people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, weirdly, I've actually heard you say that before. You

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<v Speaker 4>were the first press I've ever heard say that. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>I just saw, I saw what was happening is I

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<v Speaker 4>was just scrolling through and I saw if a cat,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, Brent's about to tell them that

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<v Speaker 4>cats eat dead people? You know that words came up

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, oh man, And so I paused

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<v Speaker 4>to see if you did, and he did. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>the nastiest thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I could. I wish I could forget it.

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<v Speaker 2>Misty Nuke loves cats.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually hate cats. I wish I didn't, and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know why I do. And and I've had some

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<v Speaker 4>real extreme sponsors to cats. When we first moved out here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, this was just kind of a wild place,

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<v Speaker 4>like we didn't have And I think Clay always he

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<v Speaker 4>always my dad kind of he didn't like cats, and

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<v Speaker 4>so every time we'd see when he'd be like, I

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<v Speaker 4>hate cats, and so Clay just thought, well, that's why

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<v Speaker 4>Missy didn't like cats. It's just kind of like a

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<v Speaker 4>family culture thing. And so he always told me, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't want you passing that on to our kids. There's

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<v Speaker 4>no reason to hate cats. So we're not gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Hate I hate cats, but there's no reason to just

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<v Speaker 1>be like afraid of cats.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So I would always just try to keep it

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<v Speaker 4>under wraps, you know. And when we moved out here,

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<v Speaker 4>there wasn't a whole lot going on out here. Before

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<v Speaker 4>we got here, we had to clear out land, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was still kind of wild. You would see all

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<v Speaker 4>sorts of animals coming around, and usually that was fun. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>the girls were little, they were three and two, and

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<v Speaker 4>Bear was a newborn when we moved out here, and

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<v Speaker 4>I would we were coming in, I think from getting

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<v Speaker 4>groceries or something, and I brought Barry and he was asleep.

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<v Speaker 4>I brought Barryn and I left the door open so

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<v Speaker 4>that the girls could come in behind me. And as

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<v Speaker 4>I'm walking up the stairs, I see a cat that

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<v Speaker 4>was abnormal. I mean, it wasn't like a normal cat.

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<v Speaker 4>It it's tail, it was mangy, it had blood on it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's something had happened to this cat. And rather than

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<v Speaker 4>me ow and it was barking. And I just said, girls, don't,

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<v Speaker 4>don't touch that cat, don't don't look at it, don't

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<v Speaker 4>invite it over here, because you know, River would have like,

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<v Speaker 4>come here, kiddy. And so I was like, don't that

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<v Speaker 4>something's wrong with that cat, y'all just come inside. And

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<v Speaker 4>I walked out and took Bear inside. When I walked out,

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<v Speaker 4>that cat was in our living room. Oh and my

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<v Speaker 4>girls were sitting there and it was just the girls

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<v Speaker 4>and I. But I instinctively did what most people would do,

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<v Speaker 4>and I just started turning circles and screaming out loud,

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<v Speaker 4>but remembered that I'm not supposed to pass that trait

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<v Speaker 4>onto my kids, and so what I'm screaming is everything.

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<v Speaker 4>So cat, I am a tall I mean, you could

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<v Speaker 4>have wrapped a snake around my arms and I would

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<v Speaker 4>have been calmer. And seeing that cat right there in

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<v Speaker 4>my living room and I just start screaming. I get

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<v Speaker 4>on the phone. Clay was out of town. That I

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<v Speaker 4>called my aunt and uncle, who are like just up

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<v Speaker 4>the road, and I am in a panic. They don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if something's wrong with one of the kids, if

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<v Speaker 4>something's and I'm just screaming, there's a cat, said, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going crazy. They came down here. When they walked in

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<v Speaker 4>my aunt Terry, I mean she she walked in less

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<v Speaker 4>than five minutes and they lived ten minutes away, less

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<v Speaker 4>than five minutes from the time I made that call.

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<v Speaker 4>And she had lyesol, she had wind ACKs, she had

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<v Speaker 4>like gloves. I don't know what she thought had happened.

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<v Speaker 1>She was ready.

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<v Speaker 4>She thought maybe a cat had eaten someone. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>like cats.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what happened to the cat.

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<v Speaker 2>For twenty probably twenty two years, and we've been very

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<v Speaker 2>good friends. But I came very close to ruining our

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<v Speaker 2>friendship one time by shoving a kitten in her face.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was not not her thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just say no, yeah, it's not like a thing

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<v Speaker 4>in my head that I'm choosing. I think Clay believes

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<v Speaker 4>this is a choice that I have made. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know why. Here he's asked me before something bad happened

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<v Speaker 4>to me with a cat. If that happened, that's her

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<v Speaker 4>pressed deep.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's been fed.

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<v Speaker 4>You think it's been fad.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think I think even the more

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<v Speaker 1>we talk about the book, bigger it gets okay.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, just able to just rest assured when they wake up.

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<v Speaker 6>They got a cat in the house. They wake up

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<v Speaker 6>in the morning and Fluffy is laying on your chest

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<v Speaker 6>and you think, oh, this this cat loves me so much.

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<v Speaker 6>He's checking to see if you're breathing because he's fixing

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<v Speaker 6>your nose.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I know that I need you to tell

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<v Speaker 4>me that. When you said that, I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 4>exactly what I'm afraid of. I know the potential that

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<v Speaker 4>this cat has exactly it's gonna kill me.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimate predator.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're on the third Mississippi River episode.

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<v Speaker 2>We were we supposed to listen to so that before

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<v Speaker 2>we came here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, you were, Yes, you were.

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<v Speaker 3>I wait outside, you get a group.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what, I thought this episode was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>You you like, she wasn't expected.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't. I kind of felt like it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was a little it was like too much,

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 1>just a little too much information. He Clay Lexus is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you won't get it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's fine. I got one on. He kind of preps

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<v Speaker 4>like he'll come out after he finishes a podcast, and

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<v Speaker 4>I always know what he thinks about it, and that

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<v Speaker 4>that shapes how I hear it. So when I listened

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<v Speaker 4>to it, I was kind of expecting this to be

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<v Speaker 4>like over the top, but I thought it was really good.

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<v Speaker 4>I found it super interesting.

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 1>It was all like I never put anything in the

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<v Speaker 1>Bear Grease that I don't think is essential, Like it's

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:49.359
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be essential. There's no filler, Like I

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.440
<v Speaker 1>don't have to make a podcast an hour long. I

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>can make it thirty minutes. I can get whatever. So

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<v Speaker 1>everything that was said I felt like was essential for

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<v Speaker 1>the story. It was just there was just there was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>There was nothing redundant in Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that when you when you're doing a podcast

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<v Speaker 4>like the Mississippi. I mean, like, for example, I thought,

0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 4>as I listened to it, I thought, oh, he's about

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.879
<v Speaker 4>to talk about blues music. Like I thought that was

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<v Speaker 4>a direction when when he when you started playing that, yeah,

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 4>and and then you didn't go that direction. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think that and we've kind of talked about this whole

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 4>whole You said it at the beginning. It's hard to know.

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<v Speaker 4>There's so much people need to know, and it's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>To know what kind of have to pick a direction.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then you'll come back to something or not.

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<v Speaker 1>What I the reason I feel like knowing who Ellett,

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<v Speaker 1>Humphreys and ads are those three guys, And not that

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:39.440
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the world needs to remember it, but when

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<v Speaker 1>you see the depth of work and human investment and

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>engineering and thought and everything that went into taming that river,

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>it just makes you respect it because I mean, we

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>just drive over it and just think that this river

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 1>just it's just here. It's just not that big a deal.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, this was one of the greatest feats

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:06.040
<v Speaker 1>of human engineering on planet Earth was taming this river.

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.399
<v Speaker 1>And these guys and their story is so fascinating because

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<v Speaker 1>there's these two guys that are being paid by the

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<v Speaker 1>government to give reports on the river and.

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<v Speaker 3>They hate each other.

0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>They hate each other, and there's this ego rivalry and

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<v Speaker 1>they both agree on the same thing that there needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be levees and outlets, and yet because one of

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.800
<v Speaker 1>them wants to be different than the other, he says

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<v Speaker 1>Leve's Only will work even though his research said that

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<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't. They adopt that policy for like fifty years

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>in the corp of Engineers, and then Levee's Only fails

0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>and causes the greatest natural disaster, greatest financial natural disaster

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<v Speaker 1>in American history. It's just kind of wild when you

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>see the human nature how it's played. And you know,

0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:02.959
<v Speaker 1>man and rivers have always been have always been linked

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:07.240
<v Speaker 1>in rivers. Any kind of obstacle, a natural obstacle brings

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 1>out the kind of the showcase of human possibility. Good guys,

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>bad guys, cheaters, those that have integrity, heroes, villains. You know,

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:26.240
<v Speaker 1>it's like anything can happen. But so, yeah, what, Brent,

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>what stood out to you in this one? Anything stand out?

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<v Speaker 3>A couple of things. One of them do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when they ate that horse?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, they're great.

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<v Speaker 1>That was one of my favorite parts the VAKA when

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.600
<v Speaker 1>that horse drowned along with Juan Velasquez.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that they hit the bank down there in Florida,

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 6>But where did that happen at that?

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<v Speaker 1>So the first inland journey into what is now America

0:28:55.360 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>from Europeans was down kind of in south central Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>So you don't know. I'm asking what river? Do you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Did they know it was dy?

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's in there. I don't know what. Okay, offhand,

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>But that, I mean, that wasn't what I was talking about.

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 6>I just I thought about that when it happened, when

0:29:13.560 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 6>I when I heard it. But the bureaucracy and both

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 6>of us having I'm not going to steal a Lexus

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:25.880
<v Speaker 6>thunder here, but knowing something doesn't work and going on

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 6>with it anyway, Yeah, and putting money behind it and

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 6>sweat equity and people in there and it and it

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 6>fell miserably, Yeah, and catastrophic to I mean, forget the farms,

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 6>think about all the people. You know, I mentioned on

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<v Speaker 6>I think render number two about my grandfather going over there.

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<v Speaker 6>Are we ready to get into that part? Sure, he

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<v Speaker 6>talked about that. He was he would have been about fourteen,

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 6>or he would have been fourteen when they went over there.

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<v Speaker 6>He was born nineteen thirteen, fourteen when they went where

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<v Speaker 6>when he when they went over there to help with

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<v Speaker 6>the flood.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, yeah, tell us we don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 6>My grandfather was born in nineteen thirteen and when the

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 6>flood happened in twenty seven. He lived in southeast Tarkans

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 6>where I grew up, and they were taking box car

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 6>loads of folks and truck loads of folks over there

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<v Speaker 6>to help not only with rebuilding, but for recovery. And

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 6>he said they did a lot of that, recovering bodies

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<v Speaker 6>and stuff over there, and some folks they never found.

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:30.280
<v Speaker 6>And he said, as a young man, he said it

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<v Speaker 6>was absolutely horrible.

0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 3>He said it was.

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<v Speaker 6>He said it was like heout even he had never

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 6>he said, I'd never seen anything like that. He didn't

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.000
<v Speaker 6>fight in World War Two, but he said he would

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 6>have to imagine that that's what it was like for

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 6>those folks seeing that.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, it was just absolutely horrible.

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 6>Just whole families, some whole family's gone, yeah, you know,

0:30:55.040 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 6>and people walking around trying to find loved ones and neighbors.

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 6>And yeah, he said, there was absolutely it was just

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<v Speaker 6>like a clean slate of mud.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing there. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always had a pretty strong philosophy about not living

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>near big rivers during the times we live in I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>for real, like I don't want to live near a

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 1>big river. I think it's I think you in alexis

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>risky risky. I don't want to live near an ocean.

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Who in the world gave you an idea that that

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>ocean wasn't going to jump out of those banks and

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>come swallow you, your house, your family.

0:31:35.880 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 3>And your mule every September.

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the end of time's not a good time to

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<v Speaker 1>be living on the coasts.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the end of times path, you ain't gonna be

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 6>safe right up here in northwest Arkansas.

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Good point, Good point.

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<v Speaker 1>True, alexis, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, we were talking about this on the way up here,

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<v Speaker 8>and in all honesty, I have no idea about it,

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 8>and about this what you had never heard of it?

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 8>And I guess what I've decided. And as I'm listening,

0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.520
<v Speaker 8>I'm thinking, why why do I not know about this?

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 8>Was obviously a big deal, And I guess it's because

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 8>it wasn't raised here I lived in Texas, that that

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 8>in no way affected anywhere right where we would where

0:32:21.040 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 8>would we'd be learning about it?

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you know, well.

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not surprising to me that people wouldn't know about it.

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I would not have known about the flood of nineteen

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven if it hadn't been for John Barry's book honestly.

0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so I don't know that that's that well.

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<v Speaker 6>My arising they wasn't taught in school where I grew up.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 6>But my only key to it was my grandpa talking

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 6>about it.

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 8>And my grandparents they are they lived in the Delta

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 8>Are so I'm sure they did know about it, and

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 8>my parents were raised in Arkansas, so they probably did.

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 8>We just just was never talked about it, and so

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 8>we were talking about it or listening to it today, like, wow,

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 8>I've really met st.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 7>Out on something.

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 8>I have no idea about this part of history, and

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 8>so I learned something. I did learn something from your podcast.

0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, all of it.

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 4>I learned all of it and everything you know about

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 4>it today. So yet, Alexis, you work in we won't

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 4>say your specific job, but you work inside of systems

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 4>where you're in bureaucratic structures. Would you say that something

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 4>like that could happen today.

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 8>Absolutely, it happens every day. It's just not with a river.

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 8>I mean, they are continuously making decisions knowing.

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 7>It's really not going to work. But we do it anyway.

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 7>We do it all the time.

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 8>And so but it was interesting listening to your you know,

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 8>that was way back then nineteen twenty seven, they were

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 8>making those bad choices.

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you think, well.

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 8>In nineteen twenty seven, twenty twenty three, why are we

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 8>still doing that. We haven't learned anything during that time that, hey,

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 8>maybe we should have Our instinct was correct, we should

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 8>really think about before we do something.

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:03.640
<v Speaker 7>So that was very interesting. We did talk about that.

0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 6>And just to clarify once she said we, she didn't

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.880
<v Speaker 6>mean the place where she works, the bureaucracy.

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I actually read a psychological study and listen

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 4>to this this whole podcast that really talked about the

0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 4>difficulty of back and out of a bad decision. So

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.680
<v Speaker 4>it's not just like political structures. It's everywhere, absolutely that,

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:30.040
<v Speaker 4>even even in business where profit is king, it's very

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 4>difficult to step back. If you've attached yourself to an

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 4>initiative and you know it's going down and it's not

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 4>going to work, it's very difficult psychologically. You actually have

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:44.240
<v Speaker 4>to train yourself to step away from bad decisions because

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.839
<v Speaker 4>you kind of attach yourself to an initiative. So in

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 4>this case is a little different because this guy was

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:52.840
<v Speaker 4>like actually created.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was one of the first He was one

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>of the first leaders of the Corps of Engineers. I

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>will also say just in defense. I mean, the whole

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>podcast was kind of about this, this struggle with knowing

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>the right answer. But something else happening is that it

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>is easy for us and it was easy for them

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.320
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty seven to look back like seventy years

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>prior and you know, point have fault. So it actually

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>worked for a long time, relatively well. There were there

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 1>were there were floods and different things, but not a

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:27.240
<v Speaker 1>flood to this scale.

0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 6>And so my brother and I fought a duck camp

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 6>inside the Arkansas River levee. And at that point when

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 6>the time and we got the loan and we bought it,

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 6>there hadn't been a flood in there of any degree

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 6>in one hundred years. And after we bought it, we

0:35:47.560 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 6>owned it twenty something years, and it got in there

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.800
<v Speaker 6>seven or eight times. Oh really really in that span.

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 6>Yeah wow. So we're sitting there thinking, well, we got

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 6>this flood insurance and all it's doing is getting a

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 6>little check, and then we got to put it all

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:06.919
<v Speaker 6>and cleaning all this stuff back there.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>You can't flood it just NonStop. After not flooding for

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>that arad flood years yes, yeah. Well, and that's the

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>thing about these rivers is that you're always working against

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:24.960
<v Speaker 1>a giant that's unbeatable and unpredictable. So there had never

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 1>been a flood and recorded history that big. You know.

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>And and what we haven't said yet on the podcast,

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and we're not really going to get into it was

0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>in twenty eleven there was a flood that was bigger

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.280
<v Speaker 1>than in nineteen twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not going to get into that.

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it's you know, I mean, who wants to

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>hear a good news story. Nobody, not the Burgers podcast listeners.

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:52.680
<v Speaker 1>They want to hear about disaster. No, No, I'm joking.

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm joking. The flood of twenty eleven it worked. I

0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>mean the corp of Engineers that it was the it

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>was the flood of the biggest flood and recorded history

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.240
<v Speaker 1>on this continent in twenty eleven. It was the levels

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>were higher than nineteen twenty seven, and it worked. They

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>have floodway.

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I have great appreciation for the Corve of Engineers.

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh there. You know, when I did this, I didn't

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:18.520
<v Speaker 1>want it to sound like I was throwing the core

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 1>under the bus. I mean, it's just an interesting story. Yeah,

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>but I mean they have what they've done with the

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 1>river is incredible and it worked so and.

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a engineers.

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I read a whole book about the flood of twenty

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>eleven and what they did during that time. They saw

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>what was happening. It was this perfect storm. It was high,

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>high snow melt in the Rockies, big rains in the

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Ohio River Valley. I mean, it's not just like raining

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 1>in Southeast Arkansas and Memphis that makes it flood. It's

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 1>all these factors way up in the drainage basin. And

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 1>so they what they had to do, who was in

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 1>multiple places blow up the levee at at floodways. So

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 1>there's places where they have dynamite embedded in the levee,

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 1>buried in the levee and they light it. Yeah, ready

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>to blow the levee up. And so it diverts the

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>water in a strategic place that goes in floods, these

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 1>huge areas that are primarily agricultural areas. And if you

0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.279
<v Speaker 1>live in a floodway like you know it. You're like, hey,

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you can build a house here. This is a federal floodway.

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>That's the way I understand it. And you just kind

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>of bank on your house may flood, or you build

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>your house up like these deer camps are built up

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.000
<v Speaker 1>on stilts. And there's a lot of floodways all down

0:38:46.080 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi from basically Memphis down to Louisiana. There's some

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 1>wild stuff like that. And the Atchafalaya River wise off

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Mississippi and Louisiana. And they think if it

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:05.360
<v Speaker 1>hadn't been for the corp of Engineers keeping the Mississippi

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>in the Mississippi, the whole Mississippi River would have naturally

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>turned into the Atchafalayah Basin and basically the Mississippi River

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>would have cut down through Louisiana and just like destroyed

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the place. But they but they continually monitored that section

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.240
<v Speaker 1>of the river and do a lot of thuff. Anyway,

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>we're not we're going to get into some of that,

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:37.480
<v Speaker 1>but pretty wild, dad. What'd you think what stood out

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 1>to you in this one?

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:38.959
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:41.880
<v Speaker 5>How little I knew about it. I mean I've crossed

0:39:41.920 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 5>the Mississippi River like most everybody, not hundreds, but tens

0:39:46.960 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 5>of times, and you know, you just cross it and

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.280
<v Speaker 5>look at it and go, what a nice body of water? Yeah,

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.560
<v Speaker 5>and then you find out how complicated, how powerful, and

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 5>you just go, wow, this is probably, you know, one

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:05.280
<v Speaker 5>of the uh the most powerful batel sources of the world.

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 5>I mean it's just you know, you take water and

0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:09.440
<v Speaker 5>it's it's pretty powerful.

0:40:09.880 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, I.

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 5>Love Mark Twain's thoughts. You know how he described the river.

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 5>I love that song from Old Charlie. I can sing

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 5>that one when you read the lyrics, you know, and

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 5>he had it, he had it tagged so and the

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:34.760
<v Speaker 5>human nature of Humphreys.

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.720
<v Speaker 1>And Elliott Elliott, Elliott Elliott. You know those guys.

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 5>You know, they're geniuses, that they're the top of the heap,

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.040
<v Speaker 5>they're the best there are, but they're still humans, man.

0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 5>I mean they're gonna lie, cheat and still occasionally. But

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 5>it all worked except you know, maybe maybe the.

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Flood was a little bad.

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, uh, anyway, I got I really enjoyed it.

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 5>It was more it's like you said, it was almost

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 5>more than I could handle.

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:04.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'll be honest with my doctor.

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.879
<v Speaker 5>Buddy told me that if you have major surgery, your

0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 5>brain doesn't work quite right. And he just had major

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.600
<v Speaker 5>surgery and we were talking. He couldn't think of a

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 5>simple part that we were trying to he said, that's

0:41:17.360 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 5>an example of what I'm talking about. So my brain's

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 5>not working real well, but it worked well enough to

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 5>realize that I was way over my head with this thing.

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean I had to listen to it two three times. Well,

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>see that. To me, that's a success inside of this

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 1>because the reason I was interested in the Mississippi River

0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>two years ago was because of how I realized. I

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 1>knew nothing about it, but I knew that it was

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>important to America. I knew that rivers are fascinating, it's

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>important to deer camp. According to you, how's that, well,

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you said, you guys bear gries, that gives you something

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.879
<v Speaker 1>to talk about. Yes, well, it just shows you how

0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 1>well complex things are all around us, that we have

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>no idea what went into it. You just and that

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>to me makes the world a deeper, more robust, a

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>place where you can be curious and learn and understand things.

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:21.719
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, the river is absolutely fascinating, and as it

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>is as dynamic of a natural feature as we have

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:27.360
<v Speaker 1>in this country, Like if you think about the Rocky

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Mountains and you think about going to Montana, going to Yellowstone,

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>going to all these places where there's this grandiose, like

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>big majesty that you look at and go wow. The

0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Mississippi River is the same when you look at impact,

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:44.839
<v Speaker 1>but you might drive over and say, man, it's just

0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:49.239
<v Speaker 1>a big mudhole. You know, it has a different kind

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 1>of beauty.

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 3>But it has a mule float down it occasionally too. Yeah.

0:42:54.680 --> 0:42:55.720
<v Speaker 3>That was crazy.

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy.

0:42:56.920 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but hey, you think about that river.

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it runs straight through the country, and as

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 5>the country developed, it came to that river.

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>And just stopped.

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and then these guys started going, look, we can

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 5>make iron, but that won't build a We're gonna get

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:14.080
<v Speaker 5>across this thing.

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>So it created a totally new product. And steel.

0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:23.080
<v Speaker 5>I mean when you can read about steel, and I

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:24.320
<v Speaker 5>mean it was a big deal.

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:27.160
<v Speaker 1>You know for this guy, I forget his name. It

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:31.879
<v Speaker 1>was ADS that was challenging Carnegie. Yeah, Carnegie. They were

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:35.879
<v Speaker 1>making steel. Carnegie was a gazillionaire, but it wasn't good

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 1>steal Well, it was the best the market. It was

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>the best that they ever had. But AIDS came in

0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and basically raised the whole standard by testing every single

0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 1>piece of steel, and then they were able to you know,

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.359
<v Speaker 1>that changed the whole steel market you know, you.

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 5>Know a book I read and I think it might

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 5>have been Lewis and Clark. I can't remember. But this

0:43:57.200 --> 0:43:59.840
<v Speaker 5>guy that it was a little different from this story.

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 5>But the guy that designed this bridge, he he had

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.359
<v Speaker 5>to he had to create a product that would work.

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 5>So he builds the bridge across the river, and no

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 5>one would cross it, and he kept trying to figure

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 5>out how I'm I gonna get these people across it.

0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.799
<v Speaker 5>So he had a big press conference, had newspapers out.

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 5>He had an elephant, and of course people knew that

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 5>an elephant won't do anything dangerous, and he had to

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 5>across the bridge. And then all of a sudden, here

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 5>they go else. I don't know how true that.

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Was, Okay, Bridges and animals. We were we were riding

0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>mules uh Saturday in the Ozarks, and we came up

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 1>on We're riding down kind of a county road and

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>came upon a big, brand new concrete bridge that was

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:51.439
<v Speaker 1>really high, and I was riding banjo and a guy,

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 1>a good mule man, was riding with me and he said, Clay,

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 1>is that mule yours ever cross the bridge? And I said, well,

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Oh, I guess not. I don't think

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 1>he has. And he said, he was like better you know,

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>if you want to go around it, you can. You

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 1>better watch him. It's really high because what happens when

0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you walk across a concrete bridge is that just sounds

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 1>clipping across there. It sounds funny, it's hollow, there's it's

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>just this unique thing. And so he I was I

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 1>was a little bit worried about across the bridge, but

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Banjo went right across it.

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:28.240
<v Speaker 3>Way to go, buddy.

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Really, just like your elephant, that.

0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 4>All things come together. James b Eads was the guy

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 4>that he's talking about.

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was in the podcast.

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 4>I know, that's what I'm saying.

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 1>He was the one that made the elephant. Yeah, no way,

0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:44.359
<v Speaker 1>what's his name?

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 4>The Eads Bridge is a three arts Still Trust bridge.

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>It Aids from the Aids is the one that had

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 1>the elephant. Okay, okay, I asked John. For some reason,

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 1>I thought his name was Scott.

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 3>But I'm sure you're sure.

0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:57.720
<v Speaker 1>The one with the elephant.

0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:00.400
<v Speaker 4>Listen, I mean, I'm I'm on the Saint Louis Bank

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:02.320
<v Speaker 4>website in the mid eighteen hundreds.

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>That's all.

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 4>James Buchanan Aids had a learned distress of riverboats and

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 4>deep determination, a necessary combination to construct the unbuildable bridge.

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 2>That was That was the highlight for me.

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, come on, it's like eighteen Missouri Elephant? How

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:21.800
<v Speaker 1>did you get the elephant?

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:29.399
<v Speaker 2>I've I've always had a fascination with craftsmen and structures,

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:32.359
<v Speaker 2>and and listening to that part of the podcast was

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 2>just fascinating to me thinking about this guy. I had

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 2>actually never heard of him before, and the way that

0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 2>John Barry was talking about his his intellectual prowess and

0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:49.480
<v Speaker 2>and and genius. I found it surprising that he's not

0:46:49.600 --> 0:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>a more common name.

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, he's you know, I think it just goes back

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 1>so deep, and there's only so much that, you know,

0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:59.319
<v Speaker 1>a person can kind of file away in their brain.

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>But he he's up there with the great engineers and

0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 1>inventors of America.

0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:08.240
<v Speaker 6>Well, the dude told his self calculus, and I couldn't

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:11.839
<v Speaker 6>have somebody that knew calculus, couldn't teach me calculus.

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I just have great appreciation for structures that stand the

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:18.359
<v Speaker 2>test of time.

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Can you believe that bridge is still fascinating?

0:47:22.360 --> 0:47:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:47:22.600 --> 0:47:27.240
<v Speaker 2>And hat tip to mister.

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Aids well, and I thought it was interesting that in

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Mark Twain's book Life on the Mississippi, he directly addressed

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:34.840
<v Speaker 1>AIDS and tried to cut him down at the knees,

0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Like you think about writing a book and you're a

0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:41.920
<v Speaker 1>best selling author, and you are not just an author

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:44.279
<v Speaker 1>like you would be today. Today. You're an author and

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 1>there's you're you know, there's also Netflix, and there's social media,

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 1>and there's all these different avenues to get media into

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 1>your brain. Back then, books, newspapers, it wasn't even radio.

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:04.080
<v Speaker 1>And so Mark Twain is like the I don't know

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the biggest guy on the in the in America, and

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 1>he calls out Aids in his book as a as

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>a guy that thinks he knows it all but doesn't.

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>And so Twain called it. He was like, you can't

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 1>control this river. You're never going to be able to

0:48:19.120 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 1>control it. And I felt like it was important to

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 1>put the Mark Twain stuff in there.

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:27.560
<v Speaker 4>You can't talk about the mississipb.

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, there's a lot of people that have read Mark

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Twain to maybe this is a surprise to you, Josh,

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:38.719
<v Speaker 1>I have not. I haven't read Mark Twain.

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:40.560
<v Speaker 3>Really required reading.

0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 4>For kids too.

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and where I came from. They never made me

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>read Mark Twain.

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 4>That's surprising.

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, but I felt like reading those sections.

0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>They were they were so witty, and you see Mark

0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Twain he was so enamored with riverboat pilots and how

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>they had to navigate, which was pretty wild. And then

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>his uh my favorite part was when he talked about

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:13.200
<v Speaker 1>how science back in the day. He was ridiculing the

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>most modern science, basically saying that scientists change their minds

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 1>all the time and use inaccurate things to get the

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:23.280
<v Speaker 1>spiel I made about science.

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 4>That's a pretty good it was a good spell.

0:49:25.719 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not that, you know, there's one extreme of

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.319
<v Speaker 1>not trusting science where you're a flat earth and you

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.919
<v Speaker 1>just don't think science even matters. I'm not there at all.

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm a big fan of science. Much of much of

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.840
<v Speaker 1>some part of science is kind of making the best

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:47.239
<v Speaker 1>speculations of what we can for the future based upon

0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.319
<v Speaker 1>what we know or think happened in the past. And

0:49:50.440 --> 0:49:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if there's one thing that's that is certain

0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:57.839
<v Speaker 1>in science is that it really does constantly change. Yeah,

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it's constantly and that's okay. That means it's working, and

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that we're progressing anyway.

0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.200
<v Speaker 4>So it's kind of funny when people say you've got

0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:09.040
<v Speaker 4>to you've got to you know, you've got to trust science,

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 4>and they kind of be little people who who question

0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 4>some aspects of things that are coming out. You know,

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:17.359
<v Speaker 4>it's okay to question that stuff. But it's also when

0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:20.920
<v Speaker 4>people treat the scientists as if like they're not credible,

0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 4>or they're not they're not intelligent, or they've got some

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:28.120
<v Speaker 4>sinister motive. That's also wrong because that's just part of science,

0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 4>that's part of discovery. Is you gotta you gotta run

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.839
<v Speaker 4>some tests. And all you're saying with science is in

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.319
<v Speaker 4>this test, this is what it looks like. Yeah, that's

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 4>really all you're saying. Yeah, and you could you can

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:42.319
<v Speaker 4>generalize that out in other ways, but in every you know,

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.440
<v Speaker 4>you put a lot of those little rocks together, you

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:45.200
<v Speaker 4>get a little mountain.

0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, but what I'm always saying on Bear Greece

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.200
<v Speaker 1>is that there there are some parts of the human

0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:53.799
<v Speaker 1>existence and life on this planet that will never be

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:57.400
<v Speaker 1>measured by science, that are more real than gravity.

0:50:57.800 --> 0:50:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I could if I if you get a tattoo for

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:04.399
<v Speaker 1>Bear grease, write that word for word. Have someone look

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:07.200
<v Speaker 1>it over grammatically to make sure it makes sense. But

0:51:07.280 --> 0:51:11.880
<v Speaker 1>that's the truth. Like the trend of the intelligent is

0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.959
<v Speaker 1>to be like the only thing that's on planet Earth

0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:19.160
<v Speaker 1>is what can be measured, seen, tasted, and touched. What

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:22.200
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to say is that that is new.

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Humans for a long time have known that there is

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:28.359
<v Speaker 1>a spiritual dynamic to this place. Mister Earle knows it.

0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:31.879
<v Speaker 1>There's a spiritual dynamic and there's a natural dynamic, both

0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:36.359
<v Speaker 1>very real, both very relevant to human existence. I mean

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:40.000
<v Speaker 1>like love science, yeah, also love the things that will

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:44.360
<v Speaker 1>never be tracked by science, like asking a pinball machine

0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to make bread. How'd you like that?

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:46.799
<v Speaker 3>Brand?

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Bam bam bam. It sounds like something out of this

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:52.240
<v Speaker 1>country life.

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 2>I could just see Clay sitting in here in his

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 2>office and thinking, what's the most obscure that I could

0:51:59.239 --> 0:51:59.600
<v Speaker 2>think of?

0:51:59.760 --> 0:52:00.239
<v Speaker 3>Right now?

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:02.680
<v Speaker 1>That one just came. I didn't even think about it.

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.200
<v Speaker 3>It just it just sometimes they just righted themselves.

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they right themselves. Yes, yes, testosterone. Uh any comments

0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 1>on the testosterone part. We're getting some eye rolls. Raising

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:18.439
<v Speaker 1>his hand.

0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:22.400
<v Speaker 6>When I started playing that, when I started playing it

0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:24.360
<v Speaker 6>on the way up here, I said, now, you know,

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 6>it's not going to be a test.

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't think sometimes there used to be.

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:31.960
<v Speaker 6>But but the day ain't over, obviously, I said, But

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 6>just think about something there that that that made sense

0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:38.200
<v Speaker 6>to you, or that or maybe it didn't make sense

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 6>to you. That just something that you grasped onto. And

0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 6>and he's because he's going to ask you what what

0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 6>you got out of it about it or what stood

0:52:46.520 --> 0:52:49.720
<v Speaker 6>out to you. She's like, okay, we started playing, and

0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:51.880
<v Speaker 6>I started playing it, and when it got to the

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 6>part about the underwear, she's like, can I comment on that?

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know, Christy.

0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Christy asked me. She goes, is that true? And I said,

0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:07.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. She's like, she's like, is he talking

0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 2>about boxer briefs? And I was like, it's like, well,

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:12.600
<v Speaker 2>I guess. She's like, is it the same with whitey tities?

0:53:12.640 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I said, I don't.

0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Know that tight man's under obviously be whitey tight.

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:18.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:53:18.880 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 1>No, for it's legitimately with my.

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 6>In my podcast, I talked about me and my dad's

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:28.799
<v Speaker 6>tripping down to our boxers, you know, so to take

0:53:28.800 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 6>a nap in the heat. M anything you want to

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:33.160
<v Speaker 6>say about boxers or.

0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:38.760
<v Speaker 7>I agree with you.

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 8>Can I say, Can I say something else that I

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:42.040
<v Speaker 8>learned or that I like?

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:43.680
<v Speaker 7>Could we we talked about this too.

0:53:44.280 --> 0:53:48.600
<v Speaker 8>Is the political part of it always dings for me

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:51.279
<v Speaker 8>when I'm listening to something because I love it.

0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:53.920
<v Speaker 7>I mean, that's my life, you know. I liked I

0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:55.080
<v Speaker 7>like all that kind of stuff.

0:53:55.880 --> 0:54:01.520
<v Speaker 8>And the Hoover, Yeah, that was so fascinating to me.

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:05.560
<v Speaker 8>I had no idea about because you never hear about

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 8>him as a president. I'm a big president person. I

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 8>love that history. I love to learn about it.

0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 7>I knew about the voting, you know, because Lincoln.

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 8>You know, all of that made sense because of what

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 8>I've learned, But I did not know that he was

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:22.840
<v Speaker 8>such a big part of that and he had you know,

0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:25.280
<v Speaker 8>deceived and you know, all of that makes sense.

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:27.840
<v Speaker 7>But I didn't know any of that. So that was

0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:28.680
<v Speaker 7>very interesting.

0:54:28.680 --> 0:54:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a good That's a good thing to talk about.

0:54:30.800 --> 0:54:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Is the is the things that that flood influenced in America.

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:37.200
<v Speaker 1>And what is one thing John Barry said is that

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:40.880
<v Speaker 1>it got Herbert Hoover like a president and he was

0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 1>a hero of the flood. Right, There was a lot

0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:46.200
<v Speaker 1>of good things that he did. He was a genius,

0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:51.000
<v Speaker 1>as John Barry said. But then yeah, and men, it's

0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:58.040
<v Speaker 1>so interesting that it changed the African Americans from the

0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.279
<v Speaker 1>from the Republican to the Democratic Party. I had no

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:03.719
<v Speaker 1>idea the point when it happened, which is interesting.

0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:06.840
<v Speaker 8>I just didn't know, like it was neat. That was

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.440
<v Speaker 8>neat to learn about that part of history.

0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.399
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know about, mister. Any of those five things

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>stand out to you, the five things ways four things.

0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:22.200
<v Speaker 4>Well, I did like that. I appreciated your spiel on

0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 4>on Mark Twain and science and I we've already covered that.

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:32.560
<v Speaker 4>I thought. I did not realize that they kept the

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.719
<v Speaker 4>Black family's hostage. Yeah, that was total news to me.

0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:39.839
<v Speaker 4>I knew about the Great Migration that that. I mean,

0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:42.359
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of like that's a really big part

0:55:42.400 --> 0:55:46.279
<v Speaker 4>of history. But what's interesting is that I've actually taught

0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:49.319
<v Speaker 4>about the Great Migration, but you always teach about it

0:55:49.360 --> 0:55:52.959
<v Speaker 4>in the sense of where they went to and where

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:56.480
<v Speaker 4>people moved to and kind of what was pushing on

0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 4>there when you think about it in terms of Jim

0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:02.200
<v Speaker 4>Crow laws and in Hospital South. But boy, that was

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.680
<v Speaker 4>a whole different that was a whole different level. I

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:06.319
<v Speaker 4>didn't know any of that that was news to me,

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:09.240
<v Speaker 4>So I thought that was I thought that was interesting.

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:10.839
<v Speaker 4>I agree with the lexus. I thought the Hoover thing

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:14.920
<v Speaker 4>was interesting. Probably my favorite part of the whole thing

0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:17.680
<v Speaker 4>was when you were talking about Mark Twain. I enjoyed

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.600
<v Speaker 4>hearing his his readings. I hadn't heard those, but I

0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 4>thought the part about spirituality was interesting. And yeah, Clay

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:30.680
<v Speaker 4>like to talk about testosterone a lot these days. When

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 4>I listened to it, I was like, good grief, we

0:56:32.280 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 4>just had this conversation, just like over coffee this morning,

0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:38.040
<v Speaker 4>and so, yeah, that's it. I didn't know that I

0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:44.960
<v Speaker 4>was getting teed up to hear it on the podcast.

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I told you they and John Bray's book, it talks

0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:54.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot about what happened on those Levy refugee camps,

0:56:55.680 --> 0:57:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the murders, the incredible you know, there there were, there

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:05.240
<v Speaker 1>were There was a time when they when they said

0:57:05.800 --> 0:57:08.839
<v Speaker 1>that a mule was worth more than a person on

0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:13.560
<v Speaker 1>that levee, and uh, there was a yeah, it got

0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:15.800
<v Speaker 1>really wild for a long time, and that river was

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 1>up for a long time, and those people were on

0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the levees, and yeah, they wouldn't let the black people leave.

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 1>They would let the white people leave, and it all

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:27.440
<v Speaker 1>went back to that thing of to Will and Leroy Percy,

0:57:28.520 --> 0:57:31.240
<v Speaker 1>those guys who you know, it's like there's good and

0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 1>there's bad.

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:35.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was kind of crazy because they were so well, it's.

0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Kind of like you know, it got down to uh,

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 1>as they say in the in the cattle industry, down

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:49.520
<v Speaker 1>to nut cutting time, and they Leroy kind of showed

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:51.640
<v Speaker 1>his hand about really where he was at.

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:56.360
<v Speaker 4>It's why motivation. Motivation matters because like you could, you

0:57:56.360 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 4>could see just this one section from from was It podcast,

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:05.760
<v Speaker 4>the number two right talked about you, Okay, well these

0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 4>are decent people, but then you you listen to part three,

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:12.080
<v Speaker 4>it's like, well they did some good things because they

0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 4>were motivated by this, and therefore the motivation is what

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:19.760
<v Speaker 4>actually matters the most because here I wouldn't use the

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 4>terms that they just used. I mean, here we go,

0:58:28.680 --> 0:58:32.000
<v Speaker 4>but it really showed their motivation and that actually because

0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:34.640
<v Speaker 4>that's their motivation that influenced their actions in a different way.

0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it. I mean, it's the thing about the Percys,

0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 1>those that they declared their they never tried to hide

0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:47.560
<v Speaker 1>why they they were like, we're going to build an empire,

0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:50.920
<v Speaker 1>we need labor. We need to empower these people so

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:54.440
<v Speaker 1>they'll stay here. And then but then when they wanted

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:58.160
<v Speaker 1>to leave, that's when the percys were like, Hey, these

0:58:58.160 --> 0:59:01.560
<v Speaker 1>guys need to stay here for the for the for

0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the farms, for everything that's going on. So yeah, no,

0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:09.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a it's an interesting, interesting, interesting story. We've got

0:59:09.640 --> 0:59:12.280
<v Speaker 1>one more Missisippi River podcast, and it's gonna be totally different.

0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:15.440
<v Speaker 1>It's not gonna be deep and heavy and old. It's

0:59:15.480 --> 0:59:19.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna be fish and turtles and and there's a little

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:24.120
<v Speaker 1>near inside of it. It's got what there's one near

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:29.640
<v Speaker 1>death experience. Get ready, get ready, go ahead.

0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Well.

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:31.760
<v Speaker 4>One of the things that I thought was interesting too,

0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:34.400
<v Speaker 4>when they were talking about the year before the flood

0:59:35.200 --> 0:59:37.800
<v Speaker 4>and everybody was like, hey, if it rains anymore, yeah,

0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:40.400
<v Speaker 4>we're gonna be in trouble. I was listening to that

0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:43.160
<v Speaker 4>the day I listened to these people talk about our

0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 4>heat this year. Yeah, and they're all like, it can't

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:48.080
<v Speaker 4>get much harder than this. It's we're gonna be in trouble.

0:59:48.200 --> 0:59:49.840
<v Speaker 4>And I just thought it was kind of interesting, like

0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:54.320
<v Speaker 4>this major natural disaster and crisis that hit America and

0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:57.200
<v Speaker 4>they're kind of having similar conversations right now, and I

0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 4>just thought, what would it have been like to have

0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:00.920
<v Speaker 4>read that in the paper. You know, these guys are

1:00:00.920 --> 1:00:03.200
<v Speaker 4>worried about the water, and it would probably be exactly

1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:05.600
<v Speaker 4>like I feel right now hearing about it in a podcast.

1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm about the heat man, we really put you

1:00:09.360 --> 1:00:10.160
<v Speaker 1>in a bind here?

1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:14.320
<v Speaker 3>Did you really put me in a bye?

1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:17.720
<v Speaker 5>You're not even aware of There's a game camera right

1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:18.200
<v Speaker 5>out there.

1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 1>It's been up for years, no problem, it doesn't work well, Alexis.

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.800
<v Speaker 1>It's great to have you on the podcast, you know,

1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, after seven years of not being on here

1:00:33.800 --> 1:00:37.560
<v Speaker 1>and beg mm hmm, yep, it was worth it. It's time.

1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:38.480
<v Speaker 1>It was time.

1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:41.640
<v Speaker 7>It's worth it, so thank you.

1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Dad, good to have you back.

1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Than you.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope everybody has a great life.