Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode eighty thanks to Express Pros
Speaker 1: and Blue Apron our sponsors our guests. It's kind of
Speaker 1: weird because I watched Narcos like most of America, and
Speaker 1: you're like the real versions of the people, So that's
Speaker 1: kind of weird. So Steve Murphy and how your pain.
Speaker 1: You're here now, but you're the real ones, which is
Speaker 1: crazy because that's that's the guys on TV. And you
Speaker 1: kind of both look like the people too, which is weird.
Speaker 1: So have so many questions. By the way, gentlemen, thank
Speaker 1: you for being here. Well in the heck, we're here
Speaker 1: with the real Bobby Bones for us about So let's
Speaker 1: just start from the beginning, because I would assume that
Speaker 1: at some point people had to come to an offer
Speaker 1: you deals for your story earlier than this Netflix show,
Speaker 1: right they did. Um and and just to be real
Speaker 1: truthful about this whole thing, we didn't think anybody ever
Speaker 1: want to hear the story. So through the years, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're when you're working for the government, you can't
Speaker 1: make money on the side, so you have to wait.
Speaker 1: You retire. People kept saying, you guys may make a movie,
Speaker 1: you need to write a book and we thought nobody
Speaker 1: wants to hear this story. So you're both retired now
Speaker 1: and that's why the story it can be out now
Speaker 1: from you guys. Yeah, basically, yes, after we retired, we
Speaker 1: uh work, they came to us, you know, uh Netflix,
Speaker 1: and uh basically they hired us as consultants, and we
Speaker 1: told them the real true story. And uh, of course
Speaker 1: there's artistic licenses that happened, but we we we told
Speaker 1: him from the from the beginning to the end, how
Speaker 1: we all work the basically the right should follow up
Speaker 1: Pablo Escobar and everything in in between. When you talk
Speaker 1: about artistic differences, Steve like, what are we looking at?
Speaker 1: Hear percentage watching list, Like, how much of this show
Speaker 1: that I'm watching is real? Well, if you come and
Speaker 1: see our show, we'll tell you exactly. And by the
Speaker 1: way you're doing it, you're doing a show. It's so
Speaker 1: the show is chasing Pablo the world tour and it's
Speaker 1: all over. You can get a d a Narcos dot
Speaker 1: com to actually watch the show and and and meet
Speaker 1: you guys and see you guys. And so we were
Speaker 1: like in a half of its real cause, but we
Speaker 1: have no idea what those conversations in the back room. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: actually happened, and they're depicted correctly. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that happened, but they're not depicted quite correctly. And
Speaker 1: then there's a lot of Hollywood built into it. But
Speaker 1: you know what, it made a great exciting action series.
Speaker 1: In our opinion, we're real happy with the show. And
Speaker 1: the chronology is you know, the the events, the timeline,
Speaker 1: so that that's pretty accurate, uh of what happened, what
Speaker 1: actually happened. So Netflix, someone comes to you and to
Speaker 1: have this idea for a show, and like where does
Speaker 1: it start? Like what how did that start? We had
Speaker 1: I've got a friend in Washington, d c. That has
Speaker 1: his own production company, small company, and he introduced us
Speaker 1: to a couple of Hollywood producers. But they had personal
Speaker 1: agendas and that's not what we're about. You know, they
Speaker 1: wanted one guy really wanted to go right wing political
Speaker 1: with it, and we're not about that. So we just
Speaker 1: gave up on the idea. We just figured, you know,
Speaker 1: nobody really wants to hear the story. It's all a myth,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just you know, dream in the back
Speaker 1: of your mind. And we got a call one day
Speaker 1: from a retired U. S Marine that we'd worked with
Speaker 1: in Colombia and had talked to him and over in
Speaker 1: twenty years, and he said, Hey, there's a producer in
Speaker 1: Hollywood wants to talk to you. And so I tried
Speaker 1: to blow off the marine. Well, if if you know
Speaker 1: any retire marines, they can be very colorful and forceful
Speaker 1: in their language. So after I got my butt cheered,
Speaker 1: I told him, Okay, okay, I'll call the guy. And
Speaker 1: the guy's name was Eric Newman. He's the creator and
Speaker 1: there the original executive producer of Narco is. He's still
Speaker 1: in charge of everything. Um talk to him. He flew
Speaker 1: to Washington. I had dinner with him, and a couple
Speaker 1: of the writers or personalities clicked. Very well educated, very
Speaker 1: successful in the in the industry. Called however and I said, man,
Speaker 1: I think we might have something. And this was at
Speaker 1: that time we signed contracts with Gaumant International Television. We
Speaker 1: didn't know Netflix was involved. After we were on board,
Speaker 1: that's when they revealed that Okay, Netflix is funding this
Speaker 1: and they're they're running the show and they've been great
Speaker 1: to us. We're howvire did you actually watch any of
Speaker 1: the filming, like did you go and see this happening
Speaker 1: or did you kind of see it after it was done?
Speaker 1: We Uh, actually I went to Columbia for about a
Speaker 1: week and saw a little bit of the filming. But
Speaker 1: our our main job was to tell them the story,
Speaker 1: the history, the events that took play. So we were
Speaker 1: just living and we would get the scripts, uh, and
Speaker 1: we reviewed them and uh, you know, if something was
Speaker 1: really really wrong, we would let them know. But uh,
Speaker 1: but it was basically we told him the stories. That's
Speaker 1: what they You know, how did you feel when they
Speaker 1: cast of the people to look like you? But when
Speaker 1: you saw the actors for the first like a great question.
Speaker 1: I get the call, let's say have here. It's the
Speaker 1: guy the name of Pedro Pascal that's gonna be playing you.
Speaker 1: And uh I had seen him on Game of Thrones.
Speaker 1: I said, what you know, I said, Pedro Pascal. So
Speaker 1: I looked them up, you know Game of Thrones, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, great looking guys, So of course I'll
Speaker 1: signed off on. But uh, they chose him, and you
Speaker 1: know what when we when I actually met him, super
Speaker 1: nice guy, just uh, just a real great guy. He
Speaker 1: you know, we talked and uh, we spent some time
Speaker 1: together and but just it was amazing, you know. So
Speaker 1: I was very happy that they cast him. It was
Speaker 1: wild because at the end of like season one or
Speaker 1: two and Steve, when they show the picture of you know,
Speaker 1: the actor that plays you and I mean that one is,
Speaker 1: do you feel like it's a dead ringer for you?
Speaker 1: I do. It's Uh, it's amazing, and Boyd Holbrook is
Speaker 1: um just a super guy. It's it's kind of funny
Speaker 1: and just a very quick story my family. If you
Speaker 1: read on the media shows that I came from West Virginia.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Murphy's Burg, Tennessee, and then when
Speaker 1: I went into high school, we moved to West Virginia.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm kind of like a crossover between the
Speaker 1: redneck and a hillbilly. But if on my father's side,
Speaker 1: we're related to the Hatfield and McCoy's from the famous feud.
Speaker 1: So my great grandfather is John Cy Hatfield, my great
Speaker 1: grandmother Sarah McCoy weight. If you go back and watch
Speaker 1: the trilogy with Kevin Costner about the Hatfield and McCoy's,
Speaker 1: Boyd plays my great uncle Cap Hatfield and then a
Speaker 1: Narcos he plays me, So it's like this incestuous relationship.
Speaker 1: Did you talk like that? You know, you know, because
Speaker 1: he has this whole, he has this whole. His speech
Speaker 1: is like I'll tell you, I mean, that's just their
Speaker 1: own creative liberty. There, it is. It is. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not disappointed at all. And if if you look
Speaker 1: at the girl that plays my wife on there, and
Speaker 1: you know, they picked my wife in the show, Connie
Speaker 1: Joanna Christie cute as a button, but she's British and
Speaker 1: she was able to hide her British accent the whole
Speaker 1: show and come out like a country girl. Whenever you
Speaker 1: guys think back about Pablo at this at this point,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's been so long. Like I saw that
Speaker 1: I was talking on the other this morning, I saw
Speaker 1: someone painting a picture of him, you know, up and
Speaker 1: it was just a picture and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: what a bad Like I felt like, what a bad dude?
Speaker 1: You is that? How did you guys feel torn at all?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like he was a bad because he's
Speaker 1: also giving it this like what was your feeling then
Speaker 1: about it? And let me also mentioned when we signed
Speaker 1: off with the Netflix on this, we had a caveat.
Speaker 1: The caveat was that we will do it, but do
Speaker 1: not glamorize publisk Bar because that Publisic Bars should not
Speaker 1: be glamorized. And they agreed, and I think they did
Speaker 1: a great job not glamorizing him. Uh. The actor that
Speaker 1: placed Publish, war Wagner Mora, did an incredible job depicting
Speaker 1: publisk bars moves, the way he talked, the way he thinks.
Speaker 1: I mean, the actor brought him to life in the
Speaker 1: Whack Mora and that's where we think, I mean, you
Speaker 1: would you did see some sympathy towards on the second season.
Speaker 1: Towards Publish. I felt like they made him a little
Speaker 1: more human than I was comfortable then because I just
Speaker 1: felt like what I had read it was such a
Speaker 1: bad dude. But did you dealing with him personally feel
Speaker 1: like that his bad dudeness like came from a place
Speaker 1: of set like it just I felt like he was
Speaker 1: multi For me, it felt a little more multidimensional than
Speaker 1: I wanted him to be. I just wanted to root
Speaker 1: against him and him to be so evil. And is
Speaker 1: that how you felt when you were chasing like this
Speaker 1: is the evil guy? Oh, he absolutely. He's one of
Speaker 1: the most evil people that ever walked the face of
Speaker 1: the earth. You know, we credit him with between ten
Speaker 1: and fifteen thousand murders, and this is a little bit dark.
Speaker 1: One of his Cicario is one of his assassins is
Speaker 1: still alive in Columbia. Just got out of prison a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He's come out and done a movie,
Speaker 1: a book, social media, everything, and he's saying the number
Speaker 1: is over fifty thousand, over fifty thousand innocent people murdered
Speaker 1: by this organization led by Pablo Escobar. So this guy
Speaker 1: is nothing more than a mass murder. He's the world's
Speaker 1: first narco terrorist. He's he was the world's most wanted criminal.
Speaker 1: Do you guys feel like that he was like genius
Speaker 1: level with his what he was able to do corrupt wise,
Speaker 1: because no one was was it, No one else was
Speaker 1: able to do it at the level. It's no, not
Speaker 1: at all. I don't want to give this guy credit
Speaker 1: for anything. Um. He did have somewhat of a charismatic personality. Um,
Speaker 1: he was viewed as a Robin Hood, which is opposite
Speaker 1: of the truth, hundred degrees opposite of what's really true.
Speaker 1: He manipulated those poor people what he did though he
Speaker 1: had no conscience, he had no remorse, he had no
Speaker 1: problem that, Hey, I need you to go do this,
Speaker 1: and if you said no, kill you right there and
Speaker 1: then we'll go order lunch. That's a socio and psychopath,
Speaker 1: absolutely at the same time. Absolutely multiple personalities, just like
Speaker 1: you said, a psycho. But one thing we always and
Speaker 1: we really want to get this across. We don't want
Speaker 1: this to permeate out to the entire Columbian population. Columbia.
Speaker 1: Columbians are some of the nicest people in the world.
Speaker 1: The country is beautiful. Uh, it should be a leading
Speaker 1: world power. They've just got that civil war thing going.
Speaker 1: That's that's holding them back. But we don't want everybody
Speaker 1: to think that Columbians are bad people. They're not. In fact,
Speaker 1: my two daughters of Columbias, we adopted them down there
Speaker 1: and beautiful young ladies. Now tell me about this prison
Speaker 1: because I see it on the show like time about
Speaker 1: the prison he built. You know, I get to build
Speaker 1: his own prison. It's it's well, one thing that Narco's
Speaker 1: got wrong in the show. It's much nicer than what
Speaker 1: they show. Wait, so you're telling me that the nice
Speaker 1: prison on the show was not as nice as the
Speaker 1: real life prison he was, really exactly. And that's one
Speaker 1: of the things we do in our show. We we
Speaker 1: take you inside of Pablo's sweet, not a prison cell,
Speaker 1: his sweet. But what makes you guys want to go down?
Speaker 1: Like for me, I'm such a little like just a baby.
Speaker 1: I would never have the guts to to even do
Speaker 1: it in America, much less go down to South America
Speaker 1: where that's that's not even your terrain. Like what would howe,
Speaker 1: what would make you want to go down? Because you
Speaker 1: went down first? Right? Yeah, I went down first. I
Speaker 1: get there in and basically, you know what I put
Speaker 1: in for Mexico to go to Mexico by boss, have
Speaker 1: your you got to look at for Colombia, said bost
Speaker 1: But I didn't put in for Columbia. They're they're voluntary assignments.
Speaker 1: So uh, I ended up in Colombia and they, you know,
Speaker 1: my boss at the time says you're gonna work the
Speaker 1: Escobar investigation. So uh, everything on my part was pretty
Speaker 1: much you know, a mistake. But once I get to Colombia,
Speaker 1: you know, we we had an informal task force that
Speaker 1: was going to have to publicistic. And that's when we're
Speaker 1: realized that this guy was just a major, major player,
Speaker 1: was pretty much in control of Columbia. And you know what,
Speaker 1: we and we dispelled that myth because you're gonna hear
Speaker 1: about it. I think you were alluding to right now
Speaker 1: that that Robin Hood, uh persona that Escobar had. You
Speaker 1: know what, he gave a lot of money to the poor,
Speaker 1: to the church, but he always expected something in return.
Speaker 1: This was Publiscoba was no Robin Hood. You know, Publisico
Speaker 1: put a bomb on an airline. You have young airline
Speaker 1: that killed a hundred people. Uh uh, you know, put
Speaker 1: a bomb in front of a building. I mean, so
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Speaker 1: we're back now. M hmm, I have so many questions.
Speaker 1: How about I'm curious now you see what's happening in
Speaker 1: Mexico with the border and the drug wars happening. Now,
Speaker 1: how does that compare to what you were seeing then? Okay,
Speaker 1: Publistic bar Remember was his fight was on extradition. You
Speaker 1: know this guys did not want to come to the
Speaker 1: United States. Also, we're you know, in Mexico, we're seeing
Speaker 1: Choppel who's now incarcerated in the United States. Chapel's war
Speaker 1: has been more based on intimidation. You know, they'll put
Speaker 1: the bodies they want to show the public if you
Speaker 1: mess with us, this's gonna happen. You know, they'll put
Speaker 1: they'll roll the heads on dance floors, they'll hang bodies
Speaker 1: on the bridges. So his war is intimidation and corruption.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll try to buy as many politicians as
Speaker 1: ak in Mexico so that they can let their you know,
Speaker 1: their dope coming to the United States. So Pablo Escobar's
Speaker 1: fight was against the governor Columbia because of the extradition,
Speaker 1: whereas Chapel is more of that corruption and intimidation factor
Speaker 1: so that they can, uh, so that they will not
Speaker 1: mess with him. You guys. You know, even in the show,
Speaker 1: it talks about the amount of money that he had
Speaker 1: and that the rats would eat a bunch of it.
Speaker 1: That he spent three grand a month on rubber bands
Speaker 1: for the Well did you ever walk in and just
Speaker 1: see just so much money that you were just like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: I can't believe this is what I'm witnessing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw thirty million dollars in the house and they had
Speaker 1: hit it in the in the walls of a house.
Speaker 1: Uh So the money. And remember bout back then. If
Speaker 1: we're looking at the mid eighties, you know that kilo
Speaker 1: of cocaine in Miami in the mid eighties was going
Speaker 1: for about eighty thousand dollars. That's how publish who was
Speaker 1: so rich? Eighty thousand dollars and this guys were doing
Speaker 1: about twenty kilos on a daily basis. And if you
Speaker 1: were selling in Europe, you're gonna be getting over a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand. So the the profit margin, the cash was
Speaker 1: just incredible. His son says, Pablo sign says he hates
Speaker 1: the show. Did you know, how do you feel about
Speaker 1: his son? And you know the things that he's done
Speaker 1: in the public. You know, I've I've actually read the
Speaker 1: son's book and I've seen his video. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: believe what he says. I think he's trying to create
Speaker 1: a different legacy of his father. Um. I was there.
Speaker 1: I was not there as as it's depicted a Narco's
Speaker 1: I was not on the roof when Pablo was killed.
Speaker 1: That's hollywood. But I did ride out to the scene
Speaker 1: with Colonel Martinez and he's the head of the entire
Speaker 1: search block. He was our Boston medine and I'm the
Speaker 1: one that took all his photographs. I was a local
Speaker 1: police officer before I became a federal agent. I've been
Speaker 1: trained in murders and suicide investigations. I've worked both, and
Speaker 1: there are telltale signs associated with the SUICI. So he's
Speaker 1: trying to say that his dad wasn't killed by the
Speaker 1: Columbian National Police, that he was, that he committed suicide
Speaker 1: rather than being taken alive. First of all, there was
Speaker 1: no intention to take him alive. That it was never
Speaker 1: word take him alive. It was the cops were They
Speaker 1: were fed up because he killed so many of their brothers.
Speaker 1: And just in that eighteen month period from when he
Speaker 1: escaped from his prison until the day he was killed,
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty three Columbian National Police officers were
Speaker 1: killed as a result of just that one case. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy put a bounty on a Columbian Police officer
Speaker 1: of a hundred bucks. Police officer's life was worth one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. That's pathetic. So, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: mean to get on my soapbox here, but it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a hot topic with me because we
Speaker 1: know what happened, we know the truth the son knows
Speaker 1: what happened. He's just choosing to try and to change
Speaker 1: the legacy of his dad. And you know what, it's
Speaker 1: turned into a cash industry for him. That's what he's
Speaker 1: doing now. So you know my book, he's a liar.
Speaker 1: I'll tell him that to his face. There are still
Speaker 1: stories about about Paulo's money and people are still finding it.
Speaker 1: Do you believe those stories? And that's really his money?
Speaker 1: That is very true. There's still a lot of money
Speaker 1: buried in Columbia right now, if they're in Colletas, either
Speaker 1: buried stats somewhere, because remember everybody's dead now. In Pablo
Speaker 1: would kill a lot of the people that knew where
Speaker 1: they hid the money. That way they could not get
Speaker 1: to this. So there is still a lot of money buried. Uh.
Speaker 1: So you know, we we encourage people take a trip
Speaker 1: to Columbia. Not not really, but there is money buried
Speaker 1: because the Calleta guys who used to bury it, you know,
Speaker 1: they're all dead. I never thought about that, that they
Speaker 1: would hide it and only they would know it. Then
Speaker 1: he would kill them. So he was the only one
Speaker 1: that knew. Right, So these fancy houses he built in Columbia,
Speaker 1: the architects. Uh, people who used to hide it, they're
Speaker 1: all they're all dead and you go down first. And
Speaker 1: I guess did you every day did you feel uncomfortable
Speaker 1: for your life or did it just become part of it?
Speaker 1: You know what? And if I could just say, the
Speaker 1: part with me was the car bombs. That's what killed
Speaker 1: a lot of innocent people being at the wrong place
Speaker 1: at the wrong time, because he was placing them in Bolt,
Speaker 1: he was placing them in Medain. He would place him
Speaker 1: when we would go outside our base and convoyed. A
Speaker 1: lot of police officers got killed. And it to me,
Speaker 1: it was just you know, you never knew when where
Speaker 1: he was going to put those car bombs. And again,
Speaker 1: I just you never knew were you when you'd walk
Speaker 1: outside and people know you're not from there? Were you
Speaker 1: the enemy down there all the time? No? Not really.
Speaker 1: The Columbian police, you know, we're um and so we
Speaker 1: always make a point that we were there at the
Speaker 1: invitation of the Columbian government. You know, we're a couple
Speaker 1: of American law enforcing officers. We have zero jurisdiction in
Speaker 1: a foreign country, so you have to be there under
Speaker 1: their invitation. How the thing that was nice about me.
Speaker 1: How had been there three years before I ever got there,
Speaker 1: so he had already earned their respect. So when I
Speaker 1: came in because he vouched for me, I was accepted.
Speaker 1: Now I still had to earn their respect, but that immediate,
Speaker 1: you know that, It wasn't that immediate stand offishness where
Speaker 1: people are like, hey, who are you? You know you?
Speaker 1: And you got to get to know him. That that
Speaker 1: helping open a lot of doors for me. But you know,
Speaker 1: I like to joke around that. People say, why did
Speaker 1: you do it? Well? I didn't. They didn't hire me
Speaker 1: because I was smart, you know. I did it for
Speaker 1: the excitement. I've been in Miami for four years. I'd
Speaker 1: had a partner was shot Kevin Stevens and Miami during
Speaker 1: the deal that went by, we had a informant killed.
Speaker 1: And honestly it was this sounds kind of strange to
Speaker 1: most people, but it was exciting. It was in a
Speaker 1: drilling rush. My wife is into excitement, you know. I
Speaker 1: mean when I met her, she owned her own motorcycle.
Speaker 1: How can you not love a woman that owns her
Speaker 1: own motorcycle? Right? So she came to me one day,
Speaker 1: she said, Okay, what's our next exciting adventure in life,
Speaker 1: and let's go to Colombia. And we did. And I
Speaker 1: was in U and I was in Austin, Texas. I
Speaker 1: started my D eight career in Austin ninet four. So
Speaker 1: I was doing the street stuff, you know, the surveillances,
Speaker 1: you undercover, and Austin beck then had a lot of heroine.
Speaker 1: I was buying a lot of heroin on the streets,
Speaker 1: uh believe it or not LLSD, So it was, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of a big yells d market. So I
Speaker 1: and then so you know, I saw the streets side
Speaker 1: of the drug world, and then I wanted to go
Speaker 1: see how the real traffickers, the big guys work. So
Speaker 1: that was my my intention of trying to go to
Speaker 1: fore and just to go see the major organizations. And
Speaker 1: then you know, you know, you would see how the
Speaker 1: major organizations work and how he gets back to the streets.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't to learn the business. But what he's
Speaker 1: not telling you he was almost killed while he was
Speaker 1: in Austin and an undercover deal. It's very very dangerous.
Speaker 1: I would have seen you guys are almost killed a lot,
Speaker 1: like we're just one wrong move right. Ever, thank god,
Speaker 1: we're here. You talk about bounties earlier and how there
Speaker 1: was a one bounty on a police officer and that's
Speaker 1: all I took. But you guys had much more expensive
Speaker 1: bounties like thirty thou of dollars. Wow, there were three
Speaker 1: hundred thou dollar bounties on your heads. I mean, Dad
Speaker 1: has got to make you feel again, I'll talk about scared,
Speaker 1: like just scared to death or no, that's just part
Speaker 1: of being down there. That's just part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but part of I mean. And obviously we were protected.
Speaker 1: We had a specialized group of police officers that we
Speaker 1: worked with that were handpicked. We knew them, they were
Speaker 1: friends of ours. Uh, they protected us and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and in the second search, we were with them, we
Speaker 1: lived with our you know, with the police in Medine
Speaker 1: going after a publish bar. So and again my biggest
Speaker 1: fear was was those car bombs just being at the
Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: talking a little bit ago reminded me, you know, of
Speaker 1: all the atrocities that Escobar committed. I mean, we have
Speaker 1: met people that were related directly. For example, you know,
Speaker 1: public bark has killed Ay and we'll talk about it
Speaker 1: to ah a justice minister. I don't want to mention
Speaker 1: his name, but we've met their family because their family
Speaker 1: had to leave Columbia because that's why I was going
Speaker 1: to kill I think it was like twenty family members.
Speaker 1: We've met people who are who had relatives on the
Speaker 1: Avanca Airline that we've talked to. There's always a human
Speaker 1: side to all of this killings, you know, and so
Speaker 1: it's something that kept us going when you would see
Speaker 1: your friends get killed, when you would see in some
Speaker 1: people get killed, and this that's why we we kept
Speaker 1: we kept going. That was basically you cannot give up
Speaker 1: because believe me, there was many times that we wanted
Speaker 1: to leave, that we wanted to give up. We wanted
Speaker 1: to just go home. So, uh, there's there's a personal
Speaker 1: side to all of this. This technology that we see
Speaker 1: in the show, which you know, flying over listening down,
Speaker 1: I mean that seems like the birth of what is
Speaker 1: happening now. But was this really new to you guys
Speaker 1: just listening how to use that? In the States? Well,
Speaker 1: the that program and this is all de classified now
Speaker 1: so we can talk about it. Back then, even the
Speaker 1: name of the program was classified. That was a technology
Speaker 1: that is controlled by the intelligence community of the United States,
Speaker 1: and so they are not allowed to use utilize that
Speaker 1: against Americans. So in the United States, we were doing
Speaker 1: wire taps on phones, but not the aerial intercepts like
Speaker 1: they were doing. But in Columbia, you know, the telephone
Speaker 1: technology was basically radio frequency, and so they were intercepting
Speaker 1: the radio frequencies. But here's the challenge. If you if
Speaker 1: you search the radio frequency spectrum, there are thousands of frequencies,
Speaker 1: and so these guys are having to search all of
Speaker 1: these different frequencies in the hopes of capturing the person
Speaker 1: that you're looking for talking at the exact moment he's talking.
Speaker 1: It's the proverbial needle in a haystack, right, But um,
Speaker 1: they aren't the ones that found the frequency. This man
Speaker 1: right here, Javiera through an informat as the one that
Speaker 1: came up with the frequency. How do you try us people,
Speaker 1: because you know, you talk about you knew the cops
Speaker 1: wanted you down there, the police wanted you down here.
Speaker 1: But how do you trust anybody whenever anybody could be bought,
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like I want to trust anybody.
Speaker 1: That's a very true. There's a lot of times at
Speaker 1: the beginning, there was a lot of corruption. We had
Speaker 1: to weed it out because the money and Pablo was
Speaker 1: good and knowing who to corrupt, who do uh bribe?
Speaker 1: Who do you offer money? His famous terminology is you
Speaker 1: want Plato or plumbo, you want a bullet, or you
Speaker 1: want some money. Uh. He created that so and there
Speaker 1: was a lot of corrups and later on we weeded
Speaker 1: it out, so we knew who to trust. But that
Speaker 1: was very difficult, and uh Escobar had all the money
Speaker 1: in the world he could offer, you know, politicians whoever
Speaker 1: could help him out. Did you ever see people that
Speaker 1: you were like, for sure there part of their quote
Speaker 1: unquot good guys get flipped. Bad guys like you knew
Speaker 1: they were part of the team, and then something got
Speaker 1: to them, either someone got a the family or someone's money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yes, yeah we did, we did, and uh uh
Speaker 1: some of them were caught, some of them were not.
Speaker 1: But you always knew, especially in the political arena, who
Speaker 1: later on, you know, got money from Escobar. I always
Speaker 1: remember there was some constitutional you know, uh Columbian congressman
Speaker 1: and uh public bar was bribing them so they would
Speaker 1: vote against extradition because the extradition was on constitutional So
Speaker 1: there were several of them who you know, public bars. Uh,
Speaker 1: attorney was bribing them so they could vote against the extradition.
Speaker 1: You knew who his attorney was, but you still there
Speaker 1: was you still couldn't track the attorney back to Pablo
Speaker 1: for the longest time. Right. We tried, we tried, and uh,
Speaker 1: but you know, he had several attorneys, you know he
Speaker 1: had he had, he had numerous attorneys. Said, Uh, all
Speaker 1: this were you know, high powered attorneys. But and that
Speaker 1: was kind of difficult also. And you gotta remember he
Speaker 1: had his sicarios, his assassin's out there keeping an eye
Speaker 1: on everything. So you know, I'm I'm English Irish by ancestry.
Speaker 1: I stick out like a sowre throum in a Hispanic country.
Speaker 1: You don't blend in, you know. So it wasn't a
Speaker 1: simple matter. Where in the United States you can you
Speaker 1: can use disguises and different techniques to do surveillance. We
Speaker 1: just couldn't do that down there. Howvio, were you like
Speaker 1: the ladies man down there? That's the one part of
Speaker 1: the show that's true. I'm watching this and it's like
Speaker 1: probably that is the number one question people ask me.
Speaker 1: Did I have all those affairs, and I will discuss
Speaker 1: that at the show. That sounds like yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: like a yeah to me. It sounds like a yeah
Speaker 1: to me. If you need an introduction call have you do?
Speaker 1: You guys feel like because it's weird because you're famous now,
Speaker 1: but it's well, listen your famed. Everybody in here was like, wow, look,
Speaker 1: you know, look who's coming in because we see that
Speaker 1: the TV show. You know, everybody watching Narcos and we
Speaker 1: think it's a great show. So people know who you
Speaker 1: are now, but they know who you are from like
Speaker 1: the eighties, So it's a weird thing to not be recognized.
Speaker 1: But then when you tell people who you are, they're like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's crazy, right, Like isn't that kind of a weird
Speaker 1: fame of When you tell them then people freak out.
Speaker 1: But until then probably people don't even know. They don't
Speaker 1: And you know what. The show runner for season one
Speaker 1: is a guy named Chris Brancotto out in Hollywood. Super
Speaker 1: Guy just has ended up being one of our best
Speaker 1: friends and we're staying in fact, he he emailed us
Speaker 1: this morning for some of the stuff that has been
Speaker 1: on Facebook. Um, but he told us he said in
Speaker 1: the very beginning. He said, you guys are gonna be famous,
Speaker 1: and and we're not about being famous. You know, I
Speaker 1: was telling Shawn's with us today, helping us get around
Speaker 1: and and not tell him. This morning, before Narcos came out,
Speaker 1: there was only one thing on social media that you
Speaker 1: can find with my name in it, and that was
Speaker 1: that was it. I did a really good job. Now
Speaker 1: it's it's not so much like that. But he said,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna be named famous, You're not gonna
Speaker 1: be face famous. And it's so we walked through the airports.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who we are. But it's like you say.
Speaker 1: Vias was on a plane one time and the guy
Speaker 1: next to him is watching an episode of Narcos and
Speaker 1: he reached over and no and he said, hey, see
Speaker 1: that guy, that's me. And because I've had it done
Speaker 1: twice now where I'll be next door need I'm looking
Speaker 1: at what they're looking on. I guess I'm you know, snooping.
Speaker 1: You can see what they're watching. And the first guy
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, what did it shook my hand
Speaker 1: water my autograph And I've had another guy on the
Speaker 1: play next to be watching it, So it is they
Speaker 1: don't believe it because you don't obviously I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: little older now, don't look like the actor. So after
Speaker 1: Escobar died, there was around any percent dropping crime like
Speaker 1: murder right right then an eighty percent dropping order on
Speaker 1: his death. So his his death is a direct correlation
Speaker 1: of making that place better in your mind, absolutely that
Speaker 1: the one human What's interesting to me is when you
Speaker 1: guys walked in the room. So my head of security
Speaker 1: is the retired d A agent. Yeah, that's cool. And
Speaker 1: it was like you all three of you guys are
Speaker 1: sitting there talk and I don't think you I don't
Speaker 1: think you knew him before you walked in, But it
Speaker 1: was like this instant like you all had this in
Speaker 1: common thing and it's a brotherhood. It's a it's a brotherhood,
Speaker 1: and you know, he knows all the people we know.
Speaker 1: It's like you said, he was probably the more dangerous area,
Speaker 1: you know, working in the Florida area during during the eighties,
Speaker 1: so he knows all the people we know. It was
Speaker 1: just it likes you said, it's it's a brotherhood. We
Speaker 1: you know, instantly connected. We talked about Hey, this guy,
Speaker 1: that guy. We we get caught up and It was
Speaker 1: a great scene. It's a family. I hope people go
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Speaker 1: better way to cook. Okay, So see your career early on.
Speaker 1: You started as a police officer in West Virginia. I
Speaker 1: did in nineteen seventy five, believe it or not. So
Speaker 1: what was your goal? Like what you just wanted to
Speaker 1: be a like a cop, like enforcing justice in your town?
Speaker 1: You know, And I know this sounds corny and and
Speaker 1: you know cliche, but I never wanted to do anything
Speaker 1: other than be a cop ever since I was a
Speaker 1: little kid. And my dad was a Southern Baptist minister.
Speaker 1: So I grew up in a prestrict household and and
Speaker 1: Donna Murphy's burn And then we moved to West Virginia
Speaker 1: and he had his own business there and I was
Speaker 1: the only son. He and my uncle were the owners,
Speaker 1: and I was the only son of both families, and
Speaker 1: it was always expected to take over the business. It
Speaker 1: was a flooring business with carpet. I hate carpet. So
Speaker 1: I actually tried it and started in college on a
Speaker 1: business degree, and this it just wasn't me. And I
Speaker 1: came back and and um, you know, got my degree
Speaker 1: in criminal justice at a local college and and started
Speaker 1: at the Bluefield, West Virginia Police Department, the thirty five
Speaker 1: man department back in nineteen seventy five. The funny thing
Speaker 1: is when you got hired, you they provided you uniforms
Speaker 1: and things like that, but you had to provide your
Speaker 1: own weapon. And ammo, wow, I believe it or not,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It sounds strange. I was nineteen years old.
Speaker 1: I couldn't buy a gun, I couldn't buy bullets. Yet
Speaker 1: I could carry it and I could put you jail
Speaker 1: and then if I needed to, I could shoot you.
Speaker 1: So how do you move up? And so you become
Speaker 1: you're a police officer, So what do you do to
Speaker 1: move to the next step? And like how what what
Speaker 1: is your your climb up to actually ending up in Columbia. Well,
Speaker 1: I was a local officer there in Bluefield, West Virginia
Speaker 1: for six years, and then um, I went to work
Speaker 1: for the Norfolk and back then the Norfolk and Western
Speaker 1: Railway Company as a special agent. With them became the
Speaker 1: Norfolk Southern Corporation, which is today. I did that for
Speaker 1: five and a half years. But I was always interested
Speaker 1: in arconics investigations, you know. I just I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was the movie Cercico or you know, all
Speaker 1: the things you used to read about Joseph Wamba, the
Speaker 1: famous writer out in Los Angele former police officer. So, uh,
Speaker 1: I did a couple of very small drug cases as
Speaker 1: uniform officer, and I just I really loved that undercover work,
Speaker 1: so as a real replacement. One of the one of
Speaker 1: my fellow agents was a former Virginia State trooper that
Speaker 1: had worked for a da task force in in Virginia,
Speaker 1: and he used to tell me stories and I just
Speaker 1: really got excited about it, and I applied and it
Speaker 1: took me two years, but I finally got hired. Have
Speaker 1: your same question, where did you start over the plan? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm from a small town Hibbronville, Texas, which is about
Speaker 1: fifty miles out of Laredo. And when I started, uh,
Speaker 1: I was going to college and Uh, they offered me
Speaker 1: a job at the Sheriff's office nineteen seventy seven, and
Speaker 1: it was a great opportunity. I lived with my grandmother,
Speaker 1: my you know, grandparents are always the best, you know,
Speaker 1: had home cooked meals. So I worked at night at
Speaker 1: the night shift with the sheriff's officers, went to school
Speaker 1: during the day, and uh, finally, you know, it paid off,
Speaker 1: got my degree in my interest. Really, when I was
Speaker 1: working there, towards the end, I saw on the bolton
Speaker 1: board they used to post the job announcements and I
Speaker 1: saw D E. A was hiring, you know, not did
Speaker 1: not know what DA was. I had to ask a
Speaker 1: friend who it was, so they said he they're the
Speaker 1: federal marks. But anyway, we cut. My attention was at
Speaker 1: the d A was paying. I think it was like
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand a year. I was making like ten thousand
Speaker 1: with the search office in Arraido. So I applied and
Speaker 1: a year later, you know, I got hired on and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, my first assignment, as I mentioned, was Austin, Texas,
Speaker 1: which was a great assignment. You know. Austin was was
Speaker 1: you know coming up in the uh music industry, was beautiful,
Speaker 1: great people, so basically mine was just was was an
Speaker 1: opportunity when you get sent down because you're not three
Speaker 1: years before he was down, So what did you go
Speaker 1: down for? Initially the same thing, but it just it
Speaker 1: was Yes, I wanted to, like I said, from the
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to learn the dope world from the
Speaker 1: higher ups, from the main player. So we'd all put
Speaker 1: together and I was like, I said, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and it was it was gonna be good for my career.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to have both sides of the coin,
Speaker 1: you know, the street distribution and then how the big
Speaker 1: guys work. So I just want to see that overall
Speaker 1: picture of the way the dope world, you know works.
Speaker 1: I have some friends at a police officers on a
Speaker 1: local level, and you know, for them to be able
Speaker 1: to use whatever they're you thinking, if it's pepper sprayer,
Speaker 1: f it's but they have to have it done to them.
Speaker 1: Did you guys being when you're working in arcotics, do
Speaker 1: you guys have to use the drug? So you know,
Speaker 1: like is that a thing but you have to like
Speaker 1: touch it like it's not. No, you do not use it,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. It's you know, we make a big joke
Speaker 1: about it. Because it's a myth out there. But you
Speaker 1: absolutely do not, right, that's all TV stuff and uh,
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't do that. And like you said,
Speaker 1: not to mention too much on operations. But you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing undercover, uh, there's like, you know, ten
Speaker 1: people watching me, you know when we're doing it, So
Speaker 1: we take a lot of precautions. And you know that's
Speaker 1: that's also a myth because in our job, we're after
Speaker 1: the big players. Were not after the local the the
Speaker 1: guy who's you know, snorting and the guy who's smoking,
Speaker 1: when that's not our concerns. So usually are undercover negotiate
Speaker 1: Asians are with the big guys, uh, guys who have
Speaker 1: the power. And so you like to get to know
Speaker 1: the smaller guys to lead you to the other guys,
Speaker 1: to lead you to the big guy. It's kind of
Speaker 1: a it's a technique trust that has to be gained. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and it doesn't go very far, I believe me.
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's when you're working undercover, it's a
Speaker 1: face to face thing. You don't turn you back. Do
Speaker 1: you miss it? Do you miss working? You're both retired now,
Speaker 1: Like do you look at it go man. You know what,
Speaker 1: it's a young man's game. Now, you know, miss the job.
Speaker 1: I missed your the friends, you know, the guys like
Speaker 1: Tim right now when we just you know we we uh,
Speaker 1: you know we we talked about the you know, the
Speaker 1: guys we know, so you missed that camaraderie. But I
Speaker 1: do not miss the job. And it's very different. Now. Well,
Speaker 1: I hope people listen to this go out and and
Speaker 1: whatever city that and they can see the whole tour
Speaker 1: of the world tour. Go to d a Narcos dot
Speaker 1: com because people are gonna hear this where a national show.
Speaker 1: People gonna hear this all over and they go out
Speaker 1: and you watch the show and the people that aren't
Speaker 1: like I guess I would ask you, like, Beau, guys,
Speaker 1: you know you're associated now because of this show with Pablo,
Speaker 1: Like what do you want people to know like lasting
Speaker 1: about Paublo Escobar, like the lasting notion that they hear.
Speaker 1: And before we answered that question, let me just say
Speaker 1: something that we are not the heroes here. The heroes
Speaker 1: are the Colombia National Police. They took their country back.
Speaker 1: We they're the ones who deserve the critic They're the
Speaker 1: ones who made a difference. And you know, the other
Speaker 1: message is that you know, this is a listen in history,
Speaker 1: it's it's really happened, and how one person can get
Speaker 1: so big that he can rule. So it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a listen. And the one thing I would say is,
Speaker 1: you know, we've examined us. We've been retired now for
Speaker 1: four years and and you know, we feel like we're
Speaker 1: still helping to get the anti drug message out there.
Speaker 1: That's one of the purposes we do what we do um,
Speaker 1: but we also understand we're ever gonna arrest our way
Speaker 1: out of this problem. The drug problem is national international
Speaker 1: drug problem. You know, the heroin and opioid epidemic is
Speaker 1: out of control in the United States. We cannot arrest
Speaker 1: enough people to stop this problem. We can't fill our jails.
Speaker 1: That's not the solution. You still have to have those
Speaker 1: men and women who are brave enough to step up
Speaker 1: and address that to protect you and me. You know,
Speaker 1: So there are some people that need to go to
Speaker 1: jail because this problem. But we've got to attack this
Speaker 1: from a different level. In my humble opinion, you know,
Speaker 1: we need to be addressing the demand of this of
Speaker 1: all these onlier in arcotics, because as long as there's
Speaker 1: a demand anywhere in the world, there are evil people
Speaker 1: who will provide the supply. You know, So if I
Speaker 1: if we could figure out how to address that, we'd
Speaker 1: all be multimillionaires. We'd be rich as Bobby bones with
Speaker 1: And also, remember what happened to Escotbar. What was that cartel?
Speaker 1: In the Escotbar's cartel was truly dismantled. Everybody. What happened
Speaker 1: Cali cartel took it over. You know, you go after them,
Speaker 1: we dismantle them. There's always to be people that are
Speaker 1: going to take a chance in sending dope over as
Speaker 1: long as there's some money to be made. I'm watching
Speaker 1: this show called os Ark now on Netflix, and it's
Speaker 1: about money laundering, and it's how you know, it's the
Speaker 1: other side. It's you know, you don't really see a
Speaker 1: lot of the drug part. You just see what they
Speaker 1: do and they need the money laundered. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like you guys learned so much through the process that
Speaker 1: if you had to do something like that, you probably could. Well. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't specialize on the financial side.
Speaker 1: I was specialized more on the enforcement, operational tactical side.
Speaker 1: So there's uh, there's another movie out there that's we
Speaker 1: think is phenomenal that a friend of ours is is represented.
Speaker 1: He's played by um, what's the actor from Breaking Bad? Uh?
Speaker 1: I just forgot his name. I wasn't sitting there on
Speaker 1: in front of you i'd remember. But he is a
Speaker 1: renowned expert's world renowned expert. He's the guy that infiltrated
Speaker 1: the Median cartel on the financial side, almost to the
Speaker 1: level of public scarbar, phenomenal Cranston whatever, he was the Okay,
Speaker 1: there you go, Brian Cranston. Did you watch the movie
Speaker 1: absolutely like I did? Yeah, you know it's the movie
Speaker 1: though you really I read the book also. I watched
Speaker 1: the movie. You have to pay attention because it is
Speaker 1: so it's so involved and so in depth and technical
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I had to go back and
Speaker 1: call our our agent money and say, okay, explain this
Speaker 1: to me. How did you do this? So I don't
Speaker 1: have that expertise. There is sophisticated methods of money laundering,
Speaker 1: and I mean we see it and all this traffickers
Speaker 1: will hire the best educated money launders and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's sophisticated because there's money to be made by everybody.
Speaker 1: Back I remember during the Columbia it was called the
Speaker 1: black market best exchange where they would buy electronic goods
Speaker 1: you know, from Panama, bring them to Columbia, they pay
Speaker 1: for him in cash and Panama in Columbia they would
Speaker 1: sell them for Columbian pistols. So that's that was the
Speaker 1: method of you know, laundering their money. And they used
Speaker 1: to have companies in the US where they would borrow
Speaker 1: a legitimate business companies accounts, transfer the money from the
Speaker 1: US to a bank in Colombia and they would charge
Speaker 1: a percentage to the guy. They would pay a percentage
Speaker 1: to that company in the in the U S. So
Speaker 1: there's people that were you know, there was a common
Speaker 1: method of of money laundry. But now, like Steve said,
Speaker 1: it's just so sophisticated, and there's people you know, uh
Speaker 1: that are doing it. You know we you know, we
Speaker 1: just found out about the bitcoin. Here do I go
Speaker 1: now that I'm not even gonna try to explain that
Speaker 1: with virtual currency. You know, that's a nightmare waiting to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the start. You gotta be a lot smarter. We
Speaker 1: are to figure that one out. Do you have a
Speaker 1: free Netflix subscriptions. It's like the one of the biggest
Speaker 1: shows you guys know, I wish we would we couldn't
Speaker 1: name get a Narcos that right, Yeah, have you guys?
Speaker 1: I assume you watch every episode and just didn't look
Speaker 1: at it or now, well I do. I haven't seen some.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw the first series, the second, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I started with the third. But it's
Speaker 1: just as it's a little special, uh daunting for me,
Speaker 1: So I'll watch it when I'm ready. I'm not radio
Speaker 1: any sort of like PTSD type things where you start
Speaker 1: remembering things because you're talking about it. We're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't want to make me feel Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I remember, like said we you know, at some good friends,
Speaker 1: uh killed by public war, so that always comes and
Speaker 1: uh back and uh so it's it's a little personal
Speaker 1: and yeah, you do relieve some of those moments. It's
Speaker 1: got to bother you so much to see him kind
Speaker 1: of gain some fame again, just to see us face
Speaker 1: places because he was such a terrible person and for
Speaker 1: some people do not know but just associate that face
Speaker 1: with like wealth or to associate it with excess, Right,
Speaker 1: I mean, because you saw him kill you saw this
Speaker 1: human kill all these other human like, that's gotta be
Speaker 1: like a really pit type feeling. And that's the That's
Speaker 1: one of the main reasons we do what we do.
Speaker 1: I mean, we did last year, we did seventy five
Speaker 1: appearances worldwide. This year we're probably gonna hit about ninety.
Speaker 1: We're not home very often with our families, and we're
Speaker 1: willing to us that this is important. This is so
Speaker 1: important that we're willing to give up time with our
Speaker 1: families to still try to get this message out. And
Speaker 1: you've seen the young generation, they kind of look up
Speaker 1: at these people like heroes, like mythical heroes. There's nothing mythical.
Speaker 1: This guy is absolutely he was alive. He created all
Speaker 1: this devastation and destruction and death throughout the world. There
Speaker 1: are things that we're going to present to Unite at
Speaker 1: the show that will show you how that legacy of
Speaker 1: death and destruction continue to this day. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just horrible. We I don't have a strong enough vocabulary
Speaker 1: of adjectives to describe how bad Pablo Escobar really was.
Speaker 1: Do you still have the picture that you took with
Speaker 1: the body? I do, Yeah, when you got the call
Speaker 1: said hey, we we have them, like we know where
Speaker 1: we have them. Have you heard that call before a
Speaker 1: few times where you're like okay, or did you just
Speaker 1: know that we had many times we came close to
Speaker 1: getting him, uh, numerous times. Yeah, I mean literally the
Speaker 1: coffee and steams still coming off the copy coffee. But
Speaker 1: you know, you come flying in on a bunch of
Speaker 1: Huey helicopters. They hear you before you get there. You
Speaker 1: don't sneak up with a Huey. The people were protecting
Speaker 1: them all. So yeah, I listen. I'm really grateful you
Speaker 1: got stop by and talk to me. This is I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, this is I'm a country music fan.
Speaker 1: This is a highlight of of all the interviews we've
Speaker 1: ever done. Thank you so much for having us. This
Speaker 1: is great. I think we wouldn't believe we were. We
Speaker 1: got an invite to come in. You know that was outstanding.
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, and I appreciate it and I hope
Speaker 1: you continue to preach the word abou high evil. Pablo
Speaker 1: Escobar wives, thank you very much. Thank you all right,
Speaker 1: episode Eddie, thank you guys for hanging out