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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode eighty thanks to Express Pros

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Speaker 1: and Blue Apron our sponsors our guests. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: weird because I watched Narcos like most of America, and

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Speaker 1: you're like the real versions of the people, So that's

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Speaker 1: kind of weird. So Steve Murphy and how your pain.

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Speaker 1: You're here now, but you're the real ones, which is

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Speaker 1: crazy because that's that's the guys on TV. And you

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Speaker 1: kind of both look like the people too, which is weird.

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Speaker 1: So have so many questions. By the way, gentlemen, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being here. Well in the heck, we're here

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Speaker 1: with the real Bobby Bones for us about So let's

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Speaker 1: just start from the beginning, because I would assume that

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Speaker 1: at some point people had to come to an offer

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Speaker 1: you deals for your story earlier than this Netflix show,

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Speaker 1: right they did. Um and and just to be real

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Speaker 1: truthful about this whole thing, we didn't think anybody ever

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Speaker 1: want to hear the story. So through the years, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're when you're working for the government, you can't

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Speaker 1: make money on the side, so you have to wait.

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Speaker 1: You retire. People kept saying, you guys may make a movie,

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Speaker 1: wants to hear this story. So you're both retired now

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Speaker 1: and that's why the story it can be out now

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Speaker 1: from you guys. Yeah, basically, yes, after we retired, we

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Speaker 1: uh work, they came to us, you know, uh Netflix,

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Speaker 1: and uh basically they hired us as consultants, and we

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Speaker 1: there's artistic licenses that happened, but we we we told

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Speaker 1: we all work the basically the right should follow up

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Speaker 1: Pablo Escobar and everything in in between. When you talk

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Speaker 1: about artistic differences, Steve like, what are we looking at?

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Speaker 1: Hear percentage watching list, Like, how much of this show

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Speaker 1: that I'm watching is real? Well, if you come and

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Speaker 1: see our show, we'll tell you exactly. And by the

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Speaker 1: way you're doing it, you're doing a show. It's so

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Speaker 1: the show is chasing Pablo the world tour and it's

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Speaker 1: all over. You can get a d a Narcos dot

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Speaker 1: have no idea what those conversations in the back room. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: actually happened, and they're depicted correctly. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: then there's a lot of Hollywood built into it. But

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Speaker 1: you know what, it made a great exciting action series.

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Speaker 1: In our opinion, we're real happy with the show. And

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Speaker 1: the chronology is you know, the the events, the timeline,

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Speaker 1: so that that's pretty accurate, uh of what happened, what

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Speaker 1: actually happened. So Netflix, someone comes to you and to

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Speaker 1: have this idea for a show, and like where does

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Speaker 1: it start? Like what how did that start? We had

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Speaker 1: to a couple of Hollywood producers. But they had personal

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Speaker 1: fear was was those car bombs just being at the

427
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time. And uh, you know,

428
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: talking a little bit ago reminded me, you know, of

429
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 1: all the atrocities that Escobar committed. I mean, we have

430
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: met people that were related directly. For example, you know,

431
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: public bark has killed Ay and we'll talk about it

432
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 1: to ah a justice minister. I don't want to mention

433
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: his name, but we've met their family because their family

434
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: had to leave Columbia because that's why I was going

435
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,880
Speaker 1: to kill I think it was like twenty family members.

436
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 1: We've met people who are who had relatives on the

437
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 1: Avanca Airline that we've talked to. There's always a human

438
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: side to all of this killings, you know, and so

439
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: it's something that kept us going when you would see

440
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: your friends get killed, when you would see in some

441
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 1: people get killed, and this that's why we we kept

442
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 1: we kept going. That was basically you cannot give up

443
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: because believe me, there was many times that we wanted

444
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: to leave, that we wanted to give up. We wanted

445
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: to just go home. So, uh, there's there's a personal

446
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: side to all of this. This technology that we see

447
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 1: in the show, which you know, flying over listening down,

448
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 1: I mean that seems like the birth of what is

449
00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: happening now. But was this really new to you guys

450
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,360
Speaker 1: just listening how to use that? In the States? Well,

451
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: the that program and this is all de classified now

452
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: so we can talk about it. Back then, even the

453
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: name of the program was classified. That was a technology

454
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: that is controlled by the intelligence community of the United States,

455
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: and so they are not allowed to use utilize that

456
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: against Americans. So in the United States, we were doing

457
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: wire taps on phones, but not the aerial intercepts like

458
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: they were doing. But in Columbia, you know, the telephone

459
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: technology was basically radio frequency, and so they were intercepting

460
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: the radio frequencies. But here's the challenge. If you if

461
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: you search the radio frequency spectrum, there are thousands of frequencies,

462
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: and so these guys are having to search all of

463
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: these different frequencies in the hopes of capturing the person

464
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: that you're looking for talking at the exact moment he's talking.

465
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: It's the proverbial needle in a haystack, right, But um,

466
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: they aren't the ones that found the frequency. This man

467
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: right here, Javiera through an informat as the one that

468
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: came up with the frequency. How do you try us people,

469
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: because you know, you talk about you knew the cops

470
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 1: wanted you down there, the police wanted you down here.

471
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: But how do you trust anybody whenever anybody could be bought,

472
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like I want to trust anybody.

473
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,479
Speaker 1: That's a very true. There's a lot of times at

474
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 1: the beginning, there was a lot of corruption. We had

475
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: to weed it out because the money and Pablo was

476
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: good and knowing who to corrupt, who do uh bribe?

477
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: Who do you offer money? His famous terminology is you

478
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: want Plato or plumbo, you want a bullet, or you

479
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: want some money. Uh. He created that so and there

480
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: was a lot of corrups and later on we weeded

481
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: it out, so we knew who to trust. But that

482
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: was very difficult, and uh Escobar had all the money

483
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: in the world he could offer, you know, politicians whoever

484
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: could help him out. Did you ever see people that

485
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: you were like, for sure there part of their quote

486
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: unquot good guys get flipped. Bad guys like you knew

487
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: they were part of the team, and then something got

488
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 1: to them, either someone got a the family or someone's money. Yeah,

489
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: and yes, yeah we did, we did, and uh uh

490
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: some of them were caught, some of them were not.

491
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: But you always knew, especially in the political arena, who

492
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: later on, you know, got money from Escobar. I always

493
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: remember there was some constitutional you know, uh Columbian congressman

494
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: and uh public bar was bribing them so they would

495
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: vote against extradition because the extradition was on constitutional So

496
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: there were several of them who you know, public bars. Uh,

497
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: attorney was bribing them so they could vote against the extradition.

498
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: You knew who his attorney was, but you still there

499
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 1: was you still couldn't track the attorney back to Pablo

500
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: for the longest time. Right. We tried, we tried, and uh,

501
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: but you know, he had several attorneys, you know he

502
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: had he had, he had numerous attorneys. Said, Uh, all

503
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: this were you know, high powered attorneys. But and that

504
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: was kind of difficult also. And you gotta remember he

505
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: had his sicarios, his assassin's out there keeping an eye

506
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: on everything. So you know, I'm I'm English Irish by ancestry.

507
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: I stick out like a sowre throum in a Hispanic country.

508
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: You don't blend in, you know. So it wasn't a

509
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: simple matter. Where in the United States you can you

510
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: can use disguises and different techniques to do surveillance. We

511
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: just couldn't do that down there. Howvio, were you like

512
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: the ladies man down there? That's the one part of

513
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: the show that's true. I'm watching this and it's like

514
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: probably that is the number one question people ask me.

515
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: Did I have all those affairs, and I will discuss

516
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: that at the show. That sounds like yeah, it sounds

517
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: like a yeah to me. It sounds like a yeah

518
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: to me. If you need an introduction call have you do?

519
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: You guys feel like because it's weird because you're famous now,

520
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: but it's well, listen your famed. Everybody in here was like, wow, look,

521
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: you know, look who's coming in because we see that

522
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: the TV show. You know, everybody watching Narcos and we

523
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: think it's a great show. So people know who you

524
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: are now, but they know who you are from like

525
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: the eighties, So it's a weird thing to not be recognized.

526
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: But then when you tell people who you are, they're like, wow,

527
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: that's crazy, right, Like isn't that kind of a weird

528
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: fame of When you tell them then people freak out.

529
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: But until then probably people don't even know. They don't

530
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: And you know what. The show runner for season one

531
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: is a guy named Chris Brancotto out in Hollywood. Super

532
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: Guy just has ended up being one of our best

533
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: friends and we're staying in fact, he he emailed us

534
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: this morning for some of the stuff that has been

535
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: on Facebook. Um, but he told us he said in

536
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: the very beginning. He said, you guys are gonna be famous,

537
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: and and we're not about being famous. You know, I

538
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: was telling Shawn's with us today, helping us get around

539
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: and and not tell him. This morning, before Narcos came out,

540
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: there was only one thing on social media that you

541
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: can find with my name in it, and that was

542
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: that was it. I did a really good job. Now

543
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: it's it's not so much like that. But he said,

544
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna be named famous, You're not gonna

545
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: be face famous. And it's so we walked through the airports.

546
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: Nobody knows who we are. But it's like you say.

547
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: Vias was on a plane one time and the guy

548
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: next to him is watching an episode of Narcos and

549
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: he reached over and no and he said, hey, see

550
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: that guy, that's me. And because I've had it done

551
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 1: twice now where I'll be next door need I'm looking

552
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: at what they're looking on. I guess I'm you know, snooping.

553
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: You can see what they're watching. And the first guy

554
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, what did it shook my hand

555
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: water my autograph And I've had another guy on the

556
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: play next to be watching it, So it is they

557
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: don't believe it because you don't obviously I'm I'm a

558
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: little older now, don't look like the actor. So after

559
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: Escobar died, there was around any percent dropping crime like

560
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: murder right right then an eighty percent dropping order on

561
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: his death. So his his death is a direct correlation

562
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: of making that place better in your mind, absolutely that

563
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: the one human What's interesting to me is when you

564
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: guys walked in the room. So my head of security

565
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: is the retired d A agent. Yeah, that's cool. And

566
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 1: it was like you all three of you guys are

567
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: sitting there talk and I don't think you I don't

568
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: think you knew him before you walked in, But it

569
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: was like this instant like you all had this in

570
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: common thing and it's a brotherhood. It's a it's a brotherhood,

571
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: and you know, he knows all the people we know.

572
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: It's like you said, he was probably the more dangerous area,

573
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, working in the Florida area during during the eighties,

574
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: so he knows all the people we know. It was

575
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: just it likes you said, it's it's a brotherhood. We

576
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, instantly connected. We talked about Hey, this guy,

577
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: that guy. We we get caught up and It was

578
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: a great scene. It's a family. I hope people go

579
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: out and all over the because this is gonna be

580
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,880
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606
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Speaker 1: You started as a police officer in West Virginia. I

607
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: did in nineteen seventy five, believe it or not. So

608
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: what was your goal? Like what you just wanted to

609
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: be a like a cop, like enforcing justice in your town?

610
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, And I know this sounds corny and and

611
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: you know cliche, but I never wanted to do anything

612
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: other than be a cop ever since I was a

613
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,920
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614
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: So I grew up in a prestrict household and and

615
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Donna Murphy's burn And then we moved to West Virginia

616
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: and he had his own business there and I was

617
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: the only son. He and my uncle were the owners,

618
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: and I was the only son of both families, and

619
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Speaker 1: it was always expected to take over the business. It

620
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: was a flooring business with carpet. I hate carpet. So

621
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Speaker 1: I actually tried it and started in college on a

622
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: business degree, and this it just wasn't me. And I

623
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Speaker 1: came back and and um, you know, got my degree

624
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: in criminal justice at a local college and and started

625
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: at the Bluefield, West Virginia Police Department, the thirty five

626
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: man department back in nineteen seventy five. The funny thing

627
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: is when you got hired, you they provided you uniforms

628
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: and things like that, but you had to provide your

629
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: own weapon. And ammo, wow, I believe it or not,

630
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. It sounds strange. I was nineteen years old.

631
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't buy a gun, I couldn't buy bullets. Yet

632
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I could carry it and I could put you jail

633
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: and then if I needed to, I could shoot you.

634
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: So how do you move up? And so you become

635
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: you're a police officer, So what do you do to

636
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: move to the next step? And like how what what

637
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: is your your climb up to actually ending up in Columbia. Well,

638
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: I was a local officer there in Bluefield, West Virginia

639
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: for six years, and then um, I went to work

640
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: for the Norfolk and back then the Norfolk and Western

641
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: Railway Company as a special agent. With them became the

642
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: Norfolk Southern Corporation, which is today. I did that for

643
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: five and a half years. But I was always interested

644
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: in arconics investigations, you know. I just I don't know

645
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: if it was the movie Cercico or you know, all

646
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: the things you used to read about Joseph Wamba, the

647
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 1: famous writer out in Los Angele former police officer. So, uh,

648
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: I did a couple of very small drug cases as

649
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: uniform officer, and I just I really loved that undercover work,

650
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: so as a real replacement. One of the one of

651
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: my fellow agents was a former Virginia State trooper that

652
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: had worked for a da task force in in Virginia,

653
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: and he used to tell me stories and I just

654
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: really got excited about it, and I applied and it

655
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: took me two years, but I finally got hired. Have

656
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: your same question, where did you start over the plan? Yeah,

657
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: I'm from a small town Hibbronville, Texas, which is about

658
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: fifty miles out of Laredo. And when I started, uh,

659
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: I was going to college and Uh, they offered me

660
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: a job at the Sheriff's office nineteen seventy seven, and

661
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: it was a great opportunity. I lived with my grandmother,

662
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: my you know, grandparents are always the best, you know,

663
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: had home cooked meals. So I worked at night at

664
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: the night shift with the sheriff's officers, went to school

665
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: during the day, and uh, finally, you know, it paid off,

666
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: got my degree in my interest. Really, when I was

667
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: working there, towards the end, I saw on the bolton

668
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: board they used to post the job announcements and I

669
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: saw D E. A was hiring, you know, not did

670
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: not know what DA was. I had to ask a

671
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: friend who it was, so they said he they're the

672
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: federal marks. But anyway, we cut. My attention was at

673
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: the d A was paying. I think it was like

674
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand a year. I was making like ten thousand

675
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: with the search office in Arraido. So I applied and

676
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: a year later, you know, I got hired on and uh,

677
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, my first assignment, as I mentioned, was Austin, Texas,

678
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: which was a great assignment. You know. Austin was was

679
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: you know coming up in the uh music industry, was beautiful,

680
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: great people, so basically mine was just was was an

681
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: opportunity when you get sent down because you're not three

682
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: years before he was down, So what did you go

683
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: down for? Initially the same thing, but it just it

684
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: was Yes, I wanted to, like I said, from the

685
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, wanted to learn the dope world from the

686
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: higher ups, from the main player. So we'd all put

687
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: together and I was like, I said, uh, you know,

688
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: and it was it was gonna be good for my career.

689
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to have both sides of the coin,

690
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: you know, the street distribution and then how the big

691
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: guys work. So I just want to see that overall

692
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: picture of the way the dope world, you know works.

693
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: I have some friends at a police officers on a

694
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: local level, and you know, for them to be able

695
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: to use whatever they're you thinking, if it's pepper sprayer,

696
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: f it's but they have to have it done to them.

697
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: Did you guys being when you're working in arcotics, do

698
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: you guys have to use the drug? So you know,

699
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: like is that a thing but you have to like

700
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: touch it like it's not. No, you do not use it,

701
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: absolutely not. It's you know, we make a big joke

702
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: about it. Because it's a myth out there. But you

703
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: absolutely do not, right, that's all TV stuff and uh,

704
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't do that. And like you said,

705
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: not to mention too much on operations. But you know,

706
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: if I'm doing undercover, uh, there's like, you know, ten

707
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: people watching me, you know when we're doing it, So

708
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: we take a lot of precautions. And you know that's

709
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: that's also a myth because in our job, we're after

710
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: the big players. Were not after the local the the

711
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: guy who's you know, snorting and the guy who's smoking,

712
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: when that's not our concerns. So usually are undercover negotiate

713
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: Asians are with the big guys, uh, guys who have

714
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: the power. And so you like to get to know

715
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: the smaller guys to lead you to the other guys,

716
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: to lead you to the big guy. It's kind of

717
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: a it's a technique trust that has to be gained. Huh. Yeah,

718
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: it's and it doesn't go very far, I believe me.

719
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's when you're working undercover, it's a

720
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: face to face thing. You don't turn you back. Do

721
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: you miss it? Do you miss working? You're both retired now,

722
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Like do you look at it go man. You know what,

723
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: it's a young man's game. Now, you know, miss the job.

724
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: I missed your the friends, you know, the guys like

725
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: Tim right now when we just you know we we uh,

726
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: you know we we talked about the you know, the

727
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: guys we know, so you missed that camaraderie. But I

728
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: do not miss the job. And it's very different. Now. Well,

729
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: I hope people listen to this go out and and

730
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: whatever city that and they can see the whole tour

731
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: of the world tour. Go to d a Narcos dot

732
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: com because people are gonna hear this where a national show.

733
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: People gonna hear this all over and they go out

734
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: and you watch the show and the people that aren't

735
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: like I guess I would ask you, like, Beau, guys,

736
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: you know you're associated now because of this show with Pablo,

737
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 1: Like what do you want people to know like lasting

738
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: about Paublo Escobar, like the lasting notion that they hear.

739
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: And before we answered that question, let me just say

740
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: something that we are not the heroes here. The heroes

741
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: are the Colombia National Police. They took their country back.

742
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: We they're the ones who deserve the critic They're the

743
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: ones who made a difference. And you know, the other

744
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: message is that you know, this is a listen in history,

745
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: it's it's really happened, and how one person can get

746
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: so big that he can rule. So it's it's it's

747
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: a listen. And the one thing I would say is,

748
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, we've examined us. We've been retired now for

749
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: four years and and you know, we feel like we're

750
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: still helping to get the anti drug message out there.

751
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: That's one of the purposes we do what we do um,

752
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: but we also understand we're ever gonna arrest our way

753
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: out of this problem. The drug problem is national international

754
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: drug problem. You know, the heroin and opioid epidemic is

755
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: out of control in the United States. We cannot arrest

756
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: enough people to stop this problem. We can't fill our jails.

757
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: That's not the solution. You still have to have those

758
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: men and women who are brave enough to step up

759
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: and address that to protect you and me. You know,

760
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: So there are some people that need to go to

761
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: jail because this problem. But we've got to attack this

762
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: from a different level. In my humble opinion, you know,

763
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: we need to be addressing the demand of this of

764
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: all these onlier in arcotics, because as long as there's

765
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: a demand anywhere in the world, there are evil people

766
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: who will provide the supply. You know, So if I

767
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: if we could figure out how to address that, we'd

768
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: all be multimillionaires. We'd be rich as Bobby bones with

769
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: And also, remember what happened to Escotbar. What was that cartel?

770
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: In the Escotbar's cartel was truly dismantled. Everybody. What happened

771
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: Cali cartel took it over. You know, you go after them,

772
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: we dismantle them. There's always to be people that are

773
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: going to take a chance in sending dope over as

774
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: long as there's some money to be made. I'm watching

775
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: this show called os Ark now on Netflix, and it's

776
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: about money laundering, and it's how you know, it's the

777
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: other side. It's you know, you don't really see a

778
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: lot of the drug part. You just see what they

779
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 1: do and they need the money laundered. Do you feel

780
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: like you guys learned so much through the process that

781
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: if you had to do something like that, you probably could. Well. No,

782
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't specialize on the financial side.

783
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: I was specialized more on the enforcement, operational tactical side.

784
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: So there's uh, there's another movie out there that's we

785
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: think is phenomenal that a friend of ours is is represented.

786
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: He's played by um, what's the actor from Breaking Bad? Uh?

787
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: I just forgot his name. I wasn't sitting there on

788
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: in front of you i'd remember. But he is a

789
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: renowned expert's world renowned expert. He's the guy that infiltrated

790
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: the Median cartel on the financial side, almost to the

791
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: level of public scarbar, phenomenal Cranston whatever, he was the Okay,

792
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: there you go, Brian Cranston. Did you watch the movie

793
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: absolutely like I did? Yeah, you know it's the movie

794
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: though you really I read the book also. I watched

795
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: the movie. You have to pay attention because it is

796
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: so it's so involved and so in depth and technical

797
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I had to go back and

798
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: call our our agent money and say, okay, explain this

799
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: to me. How did you do this? So I don't

800
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: have that expertise. There is sophisticated methods of money laundering,

801
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: and I mean we see it and all this traffickers

802
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: will hire the best educated money launders and it's it's

803
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: it's sophisticated because there's money to be made by everybody.

804
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: Back I remember during the Columbia it was called the

805
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: black market best exchange where they would buy electronic goods

806
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, from Panama, bring them to Columbia, they pay

807
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 1: for him in cash and Panama in Columbia they would

808
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: sell them for Columbian pistols. So that's that was the

809
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: method of you know, laundering their money. And they used

810
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: to have companies in the US where they would borrow

811
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 1: a legitimate business companies accounts, transfer the money from the

812
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: US to a bank in Colombia and they would charge

813
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: a percentage to the guy. They would pay a percentage

814
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: to that company in the in the U S. So

815
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: there's people that were you know, there was a common

816
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: method of of money laundry. But now, like Steve said,

817
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: it's just so sophisticated, and there's people you know, uh

818
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: that are doing it. You know we you know, we

819
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: just found out about the bitcoin. Here do I go

820
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: now that I'm not even gonna try to explain that

821
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 1: with virtual currency. You know, that's a nightmare waiting to happen. Yeah,

822
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: it's the start. You gotta be a lot smarter. We

823
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: are to figure that one out. Do you have a

824
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: free Netflix subscriptions. It's like the one of the biggest

825
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: shows you guys know, I wish we would we couldn't

826
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: name get a Narcos that right, Yeah, have you guys?

827
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 1: I assume you watch every episode and just didn't look

828
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: at it or now, well I do. I haven't seen some.

829
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean I saw the first series, the second, I

830
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I started with the third. But it's

831
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: just as it's a little special, uh daunting for me,

832
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: So I'll watch it when I'm ready. I'm not radio

833
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: any sort of like PTSD type things where you start

834
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: remembering things because you're talking about it. We're like, oh,

835
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to make me feel Yeah, I mean

836
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: I remember, like said we you know, at some good friends,

837
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: uh killed by public war, so that always comes and

838
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: uh back and uh so it's it's a little personal

839
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: and yeah, you do relieve some of those moments. It's

840
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: got to bother you so much to see him kind

841
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 1: of gain some fame again, just to see us face

842
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: places because he was such a terrible person and for

843
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: some people do not know but just associate that face

844
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: with like wealth or to associate it with excess, Right,

845
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: I mean, because you saw him kill you saw this

846
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: human kill all these other human like, that's gotta be

847
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: like a really pit type feeling. And that's the That's

848
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: one of the main reasons we do what we do.

849
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, we did last year, we did seventy five

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Speaker 1: appearances worldwide. This year we're probably gonna hit about ninety.

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Speaker 1: We're not home very often with our families, and we're

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Speaker 1: willing to us that this is important. This is so

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Speaker 1: important that we're willing to give up time with our

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Speaker 1: families to still try to get this message out. And

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Speaker 1: you've seen the young generation, they kind of look up

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Speaker 1: at these people like heroes, like mythical heroes. There's nothing mythical.

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Speaker 1: This guy is absolutely he was alive. He created all

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Speaker 1: this devastation and destruction and death throughout the world. There

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Speaker 1: are things that we're going to present to Unite at

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Speaker 1: the show that will show you how that legacy of

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Speaker 1: death and destruction continue to this day. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: just horrible. We I don't have a strong enough vocabulary

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Speaker 1: of adjectives to describe how bad Pablo Escobar really was.

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Speaker 1: Do you still have the picture that you took with

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Speaker 1: the body? I do, Yeah, when you got the call

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Speaker 1: said hey, we we have them, like we know where

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Speaker 1: we have them. Have you heard that call before a

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Speaker 1: few times where you're like okay, or did you just

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Speaker 1: know that we had many times we came close to

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Speaker 1: getting him, uh, numerous times. Yeah, I mean literally the

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Speaker 1: coffee and steams still coming off the copy coffee. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you come flying in on a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Huey helicopters. They hear you before you get there. You

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Speaker 1: don't sneak up with a Huey. The people were protecting

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Speaker 1: them all. So yeah, I listen. I'm really grateful you

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Speaker 1: got stop by and talk to me. This is I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, this is I'm a country music fan.

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Speaker 1: This is a highlight of of all the interviews we've

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Speaker 1: ever done. Thank you so much for having us. This

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Speaker 1: is great. I think we wouldn't believe we were. We

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Speaker 1: got an invite to come in. You know that was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, and I appreciate it and I hope

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Speaker 1: you continue to preach the word abou high evil. Pablo

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Speaker 1: Escobar wives, thank you very much. Thank you all right,

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Speaker 1: episode Eddie, thank you guys for hanging out