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Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. Ready, Mick, are you ready? Mick? Are
Speaker 1: you ready? Mick? That was funny today? You might need
Speaker 1: to let me explain explain that they would have to. Um.
Speaker 1: So I got to the press conference room way ahead
Speaker 1: of time, well not way, but at least two or
Speaker 1: three minutes, and I said, oh, I forgot my mask.
Speaker 1: So I was going to run back to my desk,
Speaker 1: and I figured I would run into McCarthy coming right,
Speaker 1: so I would know how much time I had. Well,
Speaker 1: as soon as I got past rich Dalrymple's office, they
Speaker 1: were coming out and he said hi, and I said Hi.
Speaker 1: In delay, I gotta get my mask. And so by
Speaker 1: time I ran and got it and got back, he
Speaker 1: was on the he was on the podium waiting. He
Speaker 1: waited on and came through the door. He says, you're ready, Mick,
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, go ahead. That'd be glad. Tom
Speaker 1: Landy wasn't there. You would have gotten fine big time. No,
Speaker 1: if it was Tom, I would have stopped and forgot
Speaker 1: the mask. I just said, screw the mask, right, I
Speaker 1: mean they were they were counted to the second. If
Speaker 1: you if the second hand hit twelve, and if your
Speaker 1: back foot was still over the boundary, but your back
Speaker 1: you weren't all the way in. You weren't all the
Speaker 1: way in. But if you showed up with that your
Speaker 1: mask on, then you would have had been him had
Speaker 1: a problem still with r. So so he he either way.
Speaker 1: When I when I came by, and I went around
Speaker 1: the back door to get in right the glass door,
Speaker 1: and when I when I went past the regular door
Speaker 1: to get in, I heard it closed. So he was
Speaker 1: only up there for before. You weren't that special lucky?
Speaker 1: Clarence was late yesterday that he got on to Clarence
Speaker 1: they're talking about Clarence was on time and that and
Speaker 1: that was like, well, that's no different, right, that's nothing different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's been pretty good about guys walking in late. Huh,
Speaker 1: how much do you think the media can afford as
Speaker 1: far as fines go, Well, you have to go on salary, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: that's whatever the percentage is. So five Wait, for press
Speaker 1: conferences and during interviews, he lets his phone ring with
Speaker 1: the coach. McCarthy. Huh, so we're right, so right, I
Speaker 1: almost kept fining that getting added up right now? The
Speaker 1: good thing he likes me. You know, we we've been
Speaker 1: pretty dependable around here, haven't Yeah. I don't think anyone's
Speaker 1: been started, do you know previous engagement? Thank you? But
Speaker 1: we are punctual. Yeah, we have been. I think I
Speaker 1: was later when I was doing zoom from home. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not being all of a sudden, I'm all the time,
Speaker 1: all the time. Who yeah, but we would see we
Speaker 1: would see this perplexed face on on the zoo on
Speaker 1: the zoom and no volume. Look, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I gotta do now a day. So would you say
Speaker 1: we're off to a two and one start this season?
Speaker 1: I think we're off to three and o start, two
Speaker 1: and one season for the Cowboys, No for us, for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, all right, all right, no doubt. So we
Speaker 1: are like the Carolina Panthers, that's right, coming in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our competition has been staff what the Carolinas, especially you
Speaker 1: guys driving try to get here. That's exactly right, all right,
Speaker 1: So Mickey, give us an update on what you know
Speaker 1: coming out of that Mike McCarthy press conference, and there's
Speaker 1: nobody on the practice field today. No, today's the regeneration
Speaker 1: day or whatever he calls it, mock day. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he remembers switched the schedule. Instead of Friday being the
Speaker 1: last practice and Saturday the walkthrough, today's the walkthrough and
Speaker 1: they actually practice on Saturday to try to keep the
Speaker 1: team's attention and get in a groove of getting ready
Speaker 1: to play instead of having, gosh, you would have twenty
Speaker 1: four about thirty six hours away, which is from the
Speaker 1: way NFL teams have done it forever, except he quit
Speaker 1: doing it, right, I think he said twenty fifteen. And
Speaker 1: there's been some other teams that have taken that approach
Speaker 1: as well, and everybody copies off of each other, right, Well,
Speaker 1: whoever wins the Super Bowl, that's what you do. Well,
Speaker 1: that's when Green Bay back in the day winning Puper Bowls,
Speaker 1: NFL championships anyway, And so Lombardi was the one that
Speaker 1: started the whole training camp thing, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: and that's something that has continued because he was winning championships.
Speaker 1: So if they're going to do it, then everybody else
Speaker 1: is going to do it. So that's how that's the
Speaker 1: history of the torture of training cat, I'm sure. And
Speaker 1: in the seventies when the Cowboys were going to Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: they probably looked at everything Tom did. Well. Tom got
Speaker 1: it from from from Vince right when the Cowboys started
Speaker 1: using computers, that's right, and everybody else everybody is. It
Speaker 1: took them a while though to get up to date
Speaker 1: with the computers though, and then the Internet was born
Speaker 1: because of the Cowboys, That's right. You go from carting
Speaker 1: around the thick computerized playbook and with the computer paper,
Speaker 1: now it's just an And with the Internet you could
Speaker 1: google Everson Walls and I don't really want to Google
Speaker 1: or check Twitter to see what happened at Mike McCarthy's press.
Speaker 1: So have you here today, and also to get me
Speaker 1: up to speed on the injury report and the fact
Speaker 1: that now you alluded to the fact yesterday that Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory was not on the practice field, and then an
Speaker 1: injury report came out and all of a sudden, after
Speaker 1: you had indicated it was like a veteran's day for
Speaker 1: Randy and it was. And then on the injury report,
Speaker 1: there's Randy Gregory's name, it says knee by it, and
Speaker 1: then today it said fully expected to go. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: so I gave you information ahead of what you got
Speaker 1: from the head coach. They had to explain why he
Speaker 1: wasn't at practice though well everybody knew. Report. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: had to say have in veterans. They had to arrest
Speaker 1: show that he was gone, right, and so yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's what you tell him Veterans Day. That's what I called. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think I was pretty right the way he
Speaker 1: walked off laughing. Right, it wasn't like he was limping
Speaker 1: or had a brace on or he was fine. Then
Speaker 1: he didn't play this full allotment of snaps on Monday
Speaker 1: night eight or so, right, so he's good to go.
Speaker 1: As Mike said, we're just being smart, which means trying
Speaker 1: to get the guy to the game, not waste the
Speaker 1: game on a Thursday practice. So and then nothing else
Speaker 1: has changed. Everybody else that missed missed, and nobody got
Speaker 1: any better, and nobody got any better or worse on
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. So I'd imagine those two guys and I
Speaker 1: and Neil are going to miss again. How long has
Speaker 1: it been for Neil? Now? Well, it was last week, right, okay?
Speaker 1: Yet not quite yeah, okay, I think it was Wednesday
Speaker 1: maybe something like that, okay, And I was Friday, right
Speaker 1: last week, so okay, and that's kind of been the
Speaker 1: standard ten days. Yes, yep though. All right, So as
Speaker 1: we dive into this matchup and Pollard was back from
Speaker 1: his personal okay reasons, okay, as we dive into the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers to what's going on? Is he is he? Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's fine. He was back bad to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's being the intrepid reporter over. I told you by
Speaker 1: Parcel's story, right, was his first year with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and the training camp was in San Antonio, and uh,
Speaker 1: he would only he would only speak to the media
Speaker 1: between practices, after the morning practice, after the afternoon practices,
Speaker 1: he would just walk off and no one challenged him
Speaker 1: on it. Right. Well, one day I was walking to
Speaker 1: the practice. I was a little bit late getting there,
Speaker 1: and Larry Allen was writing stuff. No, I had stuff
Speaker 1: to do, let me tell you, okay. Uh, And Larry
Speaker 1: Allen was right. It was in the locker room when
Speaker 1: I went by, and they were already on the field
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, something's up, and so, uh,
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't practice. And so when Bill was
Speaker 1: walking off, I kind of sided up over there and
Speaker 1: I was the only one and I said, Bill, Larry
Speaker 1: didn't Larry didn't practice anything going on there, and he
Speaker 1: just kept walking with his head down like I didn't exist.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really walk. Yeah, yeah, And so I said, uh,
Speaker 1: were you bothered that Larry wasn't practicing? And he looked
Speaker 1: at me and he said, you're not supposed to effing
Speaker 1: be talking to me after this practice, and he stormed
Speaker 1: off right, and I said, well, I guess I got
Speaker 1: my answer. He was bothered about Larry not practicing. Right.
Speaker 1: So the next day, UM, he's he's coming into the
Speaker 1: interview room and where I would sit it was against
Speaker 1: the wall, and he had to walk past me. The
Speaker 1: aisle was goes right past me, right, and he comes back,
Speaker 1: comes by and he kind of snares and looks at
Speaker 1: me and he goes, oh, there's the nose. And I said,
Speaker 1: you're talking about the nose. I thought he was getting personal,
Speaker 1: you know, And he goes, yeah, you're always nosing and
Speaker 1: everybody else's business. And I said, Bill, that's what they
Speaker 1: paid me to do. And after that we never had
Speaker 1: a cross word again. Dude, you gotta have thick scan
Speaker 1: around to stand up. I have thick scan. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but so no loves it. Yeah, a lot of times
Speaker 1: he wasn't serious. He was checking ing, Like that time
Speaker 1: he walked up to the guy that had the ribb
Speaker 1: injury and the guy said, yeah, yeah, coach, I'm good.
Speaker 1: And then at lunch, just before the guy went into
Speaker 1: the line, Bill comes from behind and slaps him in
Speaker 1: the ribs and guys like that. He goes, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: all right, he said, ah, just checking. Did you like
Speaker 1: playing for him? I love it. It was the best
Speaker 1: time I had besides the winning. And you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't get too much of it. You know, you can
Speaker 1: tell some of the guys right that while we're there,
Speaker 1: they got too much of it. I was just there
Speaker 1: enough for that pretty much magical moment where everything kind
Speaker 1: of came into play. So yeah, it was easy to
Speaker 1: like that. Those were great four years covering him. I
Speaker 1: loved it, I mean as entertaining, almost as maybe even
Speaker 1: more than Jimmy, because Jimmy was all I mean, he
Speaker 1: was serious, but Bill had a way of deflecting the
Speaker 1: news by telling stories, right, and everybody would listen to
Speaker 1: the story and it's like, oh man, any great, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but he didn't give us anything. Okay, So how would
Speaker 1: you rank and we're getting to the Carolina Panthers, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: entertainment value, the head coaches you have covered, Okay, how
Speaker 1: would you rank them? One through four? I think Bill
Speaker 1: told better stories than anybody else. Okay, I think so?
Speaker 1: Was he number one? I would think so from a
Speaker 1: storytelling standpoint. Number two would have been Jimmy and he
Speaker 1: was entertaining just because he was Jimmy, right, and he
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to be entertaining. He was just being Jimmy.
Speaker 1: It was helped along that his team successful too. He
Speaker 1: was It wasn't much fun to nine and coming from that,
Speaker 1: I mean, and being one in fifteen and then I'm
Speaker 1: waiting here. Number three he was number three, So three,
Speaker 1: I know who I've got. And now NFC East Coats.
Speaker 1: I have an NFC East Coat and this one, this
Speaker 1: one would have been totally um by happenstance would have
Speaker 1: been Switzer because you never knew what I was gonna
Speaker 1: come out of that mouth ranks or if he was
Speaker 1: gonna walk if he was gonna walk through and we're
Speaker 1: just at the airport and here's yeah, that's and that's
Speaker 1: the whole that's the whole question. That it's from an
Speaker 1: entertainment value, how would you rank them? Yeah, okay, Buddy Ryan,
Speaker 1: Well well we're talking. I was just talking cowboy cotchs.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but Buddy Ryan, but he helped the
Speaker 1: Cowboys be entertainment and helped Jimmy. Jimmy, I don't think
Speaker 1: he ever got under Tom skin. Did he no time
Speaker 1: to ignore him? You know, he's just a DC even
Speaker 1: the time. I think the only time Tom got a
Speaker 1: got upset was that eighty seventh season when Randall Cunningham
Speaker 1: went to Neil and then threw a touchdown pass after
Speaker 1: he knelt once and he was rubbing it in his
Speaker 1: face because they ran the end around in the strike game,
Speaker 1: so he was going to get back at him. I
Speaker 1: think Tom might have been a little perturbed, But I
Speaker 1: think I think as far as Cowboys coaches, in whatever
Speaker 1: order you want to put him in parcels, Jimmy and
Speaker 1: Switzer were the most entertained. And then to me, because
Speaker 1: we used to get walk offs with Jason Garrett. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the times where the cameras weren't rolling. It was really
Speaker 1: good stuff. And I always wished people could see that
Speaker 1: part of him they only saw, or maybe he would
Speaker 1: camera or maybe bring some of that stuff to his
Speaker 1: He purposely did not write I know, and Tom, but
Speaker 1: there would have been a different person. You know what
Speaker 1: we didn't get around time that much. We got the
Speaker 1: press I know, we got the press conference on Tuesday, right,
Speaker 1: there was no after practice every day, and then Friday,
Speaker 1: when he walked off from practice, we got to walk
Speaker 1: with him and that was it. And and then if
Speaker 1: you needed something you had to call Barbara, Barbara Anderson,
Speaker 1: and she would get Tom on the phone and you
Speaker 1: would get your one question. You'd ask it and then
Speaker 1: he'd he'd end the conversation. No, he would end the
Speaker 1: conversation by going okay, and no, coach, I got more right, No, No,
Speaker 1: you I know you don't done. You appreciated and so
Speaker 1: uh myself as a CUB reporter in Lubbock, Texas going
Speaker 1: to training camp and covering the Cowboys. I mean you
Speaker 1: can imagine what it was like, you know, fresh out
Speaker 1: of college and your interview in Tom Landry now and
Speaker 1: he would do. And for any TV station, a thousand oaks,
Speaker 1: you come up to him after practice, after his weightliftings
Speaker 1: and whatever, you could get a one on one with him.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, back in the day, guys us all
Speaker 1: saying the same signed the same football. We all signed
Speaker 1: the same footballs. Everyone quarterback didn't matter. And in training
Speaker 1: camp with no Tommy Bolmo's got to have his own
Speaker 1: special packet. No Danny White, even Troyman, those guys, they
Speaker 1: all signed the same football. But in training camp with
Speaker 1: training camp with Tom, remember the cafeteria and we got
Speaker 1: to sit kind of in the back behind where the
Speaker 1: coaches were on one long table, and if you were brave,
Speaker 1: you could go up there and you know, okay, and
Speaker 1: that they would answer something. But other than that, you
Speaker 1: would walk off practice field talking to Tom. There was
Speaker 1: no sit down whatsoever, and he was always very accommodating.
Speaker 1: And then Jimmy started the same thing walking eighty nine
Speaker 1: walking and we would interview him walking. And I'll never
Speaker 1: forget the time when they they they in the supplement
Speaker 1: old draft, they got Steve Walsh, Yes, and Steve Walsh
Speaker 1: Willer number four. Well, Mike Saxon had number four, and
Speaker 1: somebody asked Saxon about, you know, would you give the
Speaker 1: new quarterback number four? And he goes, yeah, for a price.
Speaker 1: And so somebody asked Jimmy about that he and he
Speaker 1: I'll clean it up. He said, yeah, Well he better
Speaker 1: worry about his own job making the team, not his number.
Speaker 1: So that obviously Jimmy has something that gainst kickers. And
Speaker 1: this was after the second practice, so now it's it's
Speaker 1: like five, so it's seven or eight o'clock. Back home,
Speaker 1: we're on deadline, and it's like, oh, I guess I
Speaker 1: gotta go back and write a new story that Mike
Speaker 1: Saxon's in trouble. I'm trying to remember. So with Saxon,
Speaker 1: how how long did he stick around? He kicked in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Okay, all right, I couldn't remember because
Speaker 1: you remember the block punt. Okay, the start off Super
Speaker 1: Bowl twenty seven one thing on coaches and we go
Speaker 1: to break and then I want to come back with
Speaker 1: this Cowboys defense and pressuring the quarterback. Okay, because your
Speaker 1: mention of Randall Cunningham brought back a flashback to me,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that in a second. But one
Speaker 1: other thing on coaches when I was in college, and
Speaker 1: we talked about a legend like Tom Landry, okay, and
Speaker 1: me being nervous interviewing him first time. Whatever. When I
Speaker 1: was in college, I did I worked for the campus
Speaker 1: radio station, did play by play of OU football. OU
Speaker 1: played at Faroe Field in Columbia, Missouri. Or I remember
Speaker 1: this because he's got his Missoo shirt on, and in
Speaker 1: the press box was Bud Wilkinson. And I summoned up
Speaker 1: the courage to go interview at my little tape recorder
Speaker 1: and interviewed Bud Wilkinson. Was he was always known to
Speaker 1: be nice as nice as can be, but he was
Speaker 1: Bud Wilkinson. And here was the reason I was you fan, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was so nervous. I still have a copy
Speaker 1: of that cassette tape and it pains me to listen
Speaker 1: to that because my voice is crack. Oh it's so yeah.
Speaker 1: White hair then right, oh yeah, it was so bad anyway,
Speaker 1: So that that just had a flashback to that. But
Speaker 1: we flashback to Cowboys Eagles Randall Cunningham and how Monday
Speaker 1: Night reminded me of that. When we come back on
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Speaker 1: I go home before I go to bed and read
Speaker 1: out loud. That's that's why he's got that Zoo shirt on.
Speaker 1: He taking online Zoo get a post graduate degree. You
Speaker 1: have a postgraduate degree. I do not. I didn't think
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Speaker 1: master degree in writing journalism. My daughter is an Oklahoma
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Speaker 1: her you sake after after her mother. That's right, all right,
Speaker 1: And I'm saying that because of the OU part of that,
Speaker 1: of course, thank you book, Thank you all right? Smart
Speaker 1: too a little bit, all right? Um, Switzer wasn't smart
Speaker 1: enough to recruit you, though, Nah, nah, nobody saw me.
Speaker 1: That's not Switcher's fault. I just had one year high
Speaker 1: school football, all right. Um. Seemed like Texas would they
Speaker 1: got herkey. I certainly wanted to. You look at Herky's
Speaker 1: high school career. Look at mine, give me a break.
Speaker 1: That's like, come on, It's like, that's like Obama versus
Speaker 1: how about how about how about Herkey's forty times you compare,
Speaker 1: I think I was four tenths of a second behind,
Speaker 1: about four two, about four seven. That's crazy, huh, Not crazy, dude?
Speaker 1: All right? So I got one because the guys asked
Speaker 1: me this morning to compare Everson Walls to Trayvon Dicks,
Speaker 1: and my answer was, I think Trayvon might be a
Speaker 1: little faster. Faster, maybe Walls was, but they caught the
Speaker 1: ball about the same and had some great anticipation. Anticipation
Speaker 1: he's got. And one of the things that Trayvon said
Speaker 1: is and you said it, uh, he said? And I
Speaker 1: got good guys around me, And I mentioned that six
Speaker 1: six to eleven two tall Jones standing in front of
Speaker 1: them all the time, Harvard Martin coming around there like
Speaker 1: a two two trainer. That was good stuff there, all right.
Speaker 1: So you set me up well then, okay, because and
Speaker 1: I guess it was because Jimmy Johnson was in the
Speaker 1: house the other day and then Cowboys playing the Eagles.
Speaker 1: It reminded me one of the best Cowboys games and
Speaker 1: we talked about a little bit the other day. The
Speaker 1: ninety two season when they lost to the Eagles in
Speaker 1: a Monday night game thirty one seven earlier in the season.
Speaker 1: Month later, came back to Texas Stadium, Cowboys won handily,
Speaker 1: and then in the Divisional playoff round of the playoffs
Speaker 1: that Cowboys played the Eagles again, and it was one
Speaker 1: of this set the tone for that Super Bowl run.
Speaker 1: And it was the way the defense played on that
Speaker 1: day with Randall Cunningham at quarterback for the Eagles, and
Speaker 1: there was just something about Monday night and Jimmy being
Speaker 1: in the house and Jalen Hurts on the other side
Speaker 1: and the way this defense was playing. I had a
Speaker 1: flashback to that game. Well, if you recall when Randall
Speaker 1: was coming off the field in that game, he had
Speaker 1: the same look that Jayleen exactly. It was just hopelessness,
Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, Man, I remember thinking
Speaker 1: about Randall, that's the worst body language I've ever seen
Speaker 1: Randall Cunningham displayed. Now, the difference was he was Randall
Speaker 1: was a veteran quarterback in the league. And the difference
Speaker 1: also was that was the number one ranked defense in
Speaker 1: the league. The Cowboys had in ninety two. And so
Speaker 1: this is not to compare where this defense is right
Speaker 1: now with the ninety two defense at that point, but
Speaker 1: here was a young quarterback. And yeah, it's a tone
Speaker 1: being said. That's what I like about. Probably have the
Speaker 1: same amount of Pro Bowlers as they'd had in ninety two.
Speaker 1: That's right. We talked about that unless Diggs continues this interception.
Speaker 1: Like I said the other day, Diggs just made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl with the r fix six. But anyway, I
Speaker 1: think I think jim you know, Jimmy was known and
Speaker 1: his background he was defensive line coach and aggressive, aggressive
Speaker 1: front on defense, and so he had to be watching
Speaker 1: that go on, Wow, that's the kind of defense that
Speaker 1: you want to play. And I think that that game
Speaker 1: and then gave them the impetus to go into San Francisco, right,
Speaker 1: a little bit of confidence, a little bit more than
Speaker 1: the rest of the country was giving them, because while
Speaker 1: they're too young, they're a year early. And I was going, no,
Speaker 1: they're not, this is gonna happen, which and that was
Speaker 1: the next week nd if the championship game against San Francisco,
Speaker 1: and which I think still even though they won three
Speaker 1: Super Bowls in a four year period. That was the
Speaker 1: most significant win of that stretch. Yeah, which I still
Speaker 1: I say that game was the beginning of the end
Speaker 1: for Rampa Cunningham in Philadelphia, because I think he ended
Speaker 1: up going to Baltimore. Wound up here. Yeah, came here,
Speaker 1: did pretty dog? Go on? Well, if I do say so,
Speaker 1: what Vick rolled his Okay, we got coming. He had
Speaker 1: to play one game and it was the final game
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty season, and he was Troy twenty
Speaker 1: two I'm sorry, two thousand and anyway, he would not
Speaker 1: do well that Yeah, and they were going to Tennessee
Speaker 1: for the final game, and Troy was hurt and he
Speaker 1: claimed he had a pulled hamstring and couldn't play, so,
Speaker 1: um right, right, what was the the other question, Anthony?
Speaker 1: Was it? Anthony? Right? Yeah? He he had to. They
Speaker 1: sacrificed him in that game because nobody wanted to play.
Speaker 1: It was like twenty degrees outside. Oh yeah they were
Speaker 1: remember they were six five and five ten at that point,
Speaker 1: and Randall didn't want to play in that game. So
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you know, and I said, okay, you
Speaker 1: phony And even that even that defense as good as
Speaker 1: it was every once in a while. They would give
Speaker 1: up some unusual, uncharacteristic plays and points in ninety two. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they were still a good defense. And it kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me of this one. They're not giving up
Speaker 1: as many yards as we were back in eighty one,
Speaker 1: but and they're still making the plays. To me, they
Speaker 1: remind me more of that Super Bowl, the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: defenses of the nineties. That the Cowboys had great players,
Speaker 1: but they as much as they went as consistent and dominating,
Speaker 1: they were still good at making plays and ending drives.
Speaker 1: That's what I like. But not break right now. They
Speaker 1: only had a couple of bad games that year. They
Speaker 1: gave up. They gave up twenty eight to the Giants
Speaker 1: in Game two but one, and then they gave up
Speaker 1: twenty seven to the Rams, got beat twenty seven, the
Speaker 1: Denver won, and everybody else was about in the teams.
Speaker 1: But year are you talking about? Two? Well, then thirty
Speaker 1: one to Philadelphia that Money Night game? Oh no, that
Speaker 1: was ninety one. Was it was ninety one? Wow, But
Speaker 1: they didn't go to the super Bowl. It was a
Speaker 1: nice it was. It was a deep run. Though we
Speaker 1: must double check here. Year are you on? Yeah? Just
Speaker 1: two Okay, okay, oh there it is. I know what happened.
Speaker 1: It skipped over the bye. I just went down seven.
Speaker 1: I got an update. Everson just rolled his eyes and uh.
Speaker 1: And actually I intended to spend that segment talking about
Speaker 1: this current Dallas defense, but Mickey took us on a
Speaker 1: wild ride back. Do you know watched The one I
Speaker 1: remembered was when they in ninety one, when they got
Speaker 1: all excited about their team and then Philadelphia came in
Speaker 1: here and beat them twenty four to nothing, and I
Speaker 1: think they set the single season opponent's sack record that day.
Speaker 1: Aman just got murdered. Okay, So what's your story? Go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm just gonna get straight to the point.
Speaker 1: I love Osa Odiga Zua. Does he remind you of somebody?
Speaker 1: I mean, he just played so well on Monday night
Speaker 1: we're talking about. I was trying to get to us
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys on Monday Night and how they
Speaker 1: played defense. And I thought that front four Osa played
Speaker 1: so well and um and I thought Randy Gregory put
Speaker 1: down a consistent pressure as well. Yeah, especially when they
Speaker 1: started cause a lot of especially when they started rolling,
Speaker 1: when they just really started putting the hammer down and
Speaker 1: running the stunts. He came miss out of future to
Speaker 1: numbers the show, but if he just watched the game
Speaker 1: three of them. Yeah, it's early yet, but I think
Speaker 1: dan Quinn might have his technique in Osa Odigazoo. He
Speaker 1: he was playing Neville Gallimore. Well, when he gets here,
Speaker 1: if Osa can play like he played the other night
Speaker 1: and he wasn't going up against any backups, right. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia well they had a first round in the
Speaker 1: second round, pick Landon Dicker and then say Amalo or
Speaker 1: however you say his name. He was a very respected player.
Speaker 1: He went down with an injury whatever, but it was
Speaker 1: just the way he played, not only the run but
Speaker 1: getting to the quarterback as well. Had a sack and
Speaker 1: a half in the game. His get off and he's
Speaker 1: got thirty his arms are beyond thirty four inches. He's
Speaker 1: got an eighty four inch wingspan and he's able to
Speaker 1: use that. But what I was gonna say is dan
Speaker 1: Quinn might have found in the third round of this
Speaker 1: draft his Grady Jarrett. Then he got in the fifth
Speaker 1: round in the Atlanta Draft in twenty fifteen. Well, I
Speaker 1: asked the question to someone who should know, and I
Speaker 1: was said, I asked, can both of those guys play
Speaker 1: at the same time, Gallimore and Odiggy Zuwa, And I
Speaker 1: gotta I think so because Odiggy Zoa can play either
Speaker 1: of the defensive tackles more so than Neville Gallima. So
Speaker 1: if you get those two inters out there, because Gallimore's
Speaker 1: at least their weight at the combine when they entered
Speaker 1: the league, he's twenty pounds heavier than Yes, but um,
Speaker 1: it's the low center. Yeah, strong with the long thirty
Speaker 1: four inch long arms, thirty four inch arms, and he
Speaker 1: had twenty five bench reps with thirty four inch arms,
Speaker 1: and and yeah, that low cent or gravity. The other
Speaker 1: thing is I mentioned Grady Jarrett is, Um, you love
Speaker 1: this in a defensive tackle? Is he was a three
Speaker 1: time state champion heavyweight wrestler in high school? Yes, and
Speaker 1: Grady Jarrett was the same thing. Yes, So there's three times, yeah,
Speaker 1: three times state champion wrestler. All right, So anyway, there's
Speaker 1: my OSU. So I'm thinking two more games Gallim or
Speaker 1: maybe after that's what I want to say. I want
Speaker 1: to see together, I mean, even in a rotation. Yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: So well that's the that's the thing about this team,
Speaker 1: we get better as the game goes on. Even when
Speaker 1: we played against the Chargers giving up about sixteen straight completions.
Speaker 1: You know, you would think that we would just be
Speaker 1: worn down, but everyone was still within themselves. And I
Speaker 1: believe that's when Kasey came down and made that interception
Speaker 1: in the end zone. You know, to me, they still
Speaker 1: never gave up the pressure. You could still was getting
Speaker 1: closer and closer and making more of more and more
Speaker 1: of an impact on that team. We get better. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's out youth. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's the depth that we have, but when the fourth
Speaker 1: quarters here, we're still ready to go. You know. I
Speaker 1: think one of the things is they're playing with confidence.
Speaker 1: They didn't never got to that point last year, and
Speaker 1: everybody wants a tiptoe around it. Right, Well, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: a little bit more organized. The guys know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They're playing fast for what the hell was going on
Speaker 1: last year exactly, And and and really the only one
Speaker 1: that'll kind of come out and say it is DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: You know, he's saying, we're playing defense the way we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be playing defense. How we know how to
Speaker 1: play it. They were catching last year instead of being
Speaker 1: attacking everything. Everything was reacting and no one was anticipating anything.
Speaker 1: And Diggs kind of hinted at it yesterday when he
Speaker 1: did his interview. He was just saying that he just
Speaker 1: felt like everybody was playing with more confidence. Now for him,
Speaker 1: it's tough as a rookie, right, and you don't see
Speaker 1: him making some of the same mistakes he was making
Speaker 1: last year, peeking in at the quarterback and the guy's
Speaker 1: going past him. And once again, that comes because he
Speaker 1: feels protected by the pressure that's coming from a fun
Speaker 1: You just have that feeling, you know that the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: on to to rest. When you turn around looking for
Speaker 1: the ball, the clock in your head seems to go off,
Speaker 1: you know, on time as opposed to being late because
Speaker 1: you're not reacting. You know, you're the one that's doing
Speaker 1: the anticipating. It's my Ike Holt story when the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, he was starting at corner right and they
Speaker 1: had no pass rush early and they would see what
Speaker 1: Philadelphia was doing, right. So we were talking about their
Speaker 1: corners and I goes, well, let me show you how
Speaker 1: the Eagles played cornerback. So he gets down, you know,
Speaker 1: crouched and he goes one. It takes three steps back.
Speaker 1: One two three, Okay, good, I'm good. Like the pressure up.
Speaker 1: That's all I gotta do. And it was the most
Speaker 1: hilarious thing ever. It makes such a difference the psyche. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean not just physically, but that you kind of feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one two three, Okay. The comfort zone is just amazing, Lawrence. Well, yes, boy,
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, we got six minutes left here.
Speaker 1: Let me do this. Okay, the Carolina defense, well that's
Speaker 1: where I was going. Okay, well, good, we're on the
Speaker 1: same path. Let me to ask my questions, who has
Speaker 1: the what team has the number one defense? Caroline? What
Speaker 1: team has the number Carolina run defense in the league.
Speaker 1: Caroline has the number one past defense in the league.
Speaker 1: Do you want me to go on further? Go for
Speaker 1: who's leading the league in sacks Carolina with fourteen. Who's
Speaker 1: leading the league in hits on quarterbacks? Carolina with twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Who's leading the league on third down conversion percentage against
Speaker 1: Carolina there twenty one point two percent. Who's leading the
Speaker 1: league on average first downs per game? Now, this one
Speaker 1: is is key twelve in the last two games the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have had or two of the three games the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have had thirteen in the first quarter. Who's leading
Speaker 1: the league in first downs on offense Cowboys right? And
Speaker 1: yards allowed per play Carolina three point seven seven, three
Speaker 1: point seven seven. They've got two guys with seven and
Speaker 1: a half sacks, Hassan Reddick and Brian Burns. What they've
Speaker 1: combined for seven and a half? Also, no individual and
Speaker 1: they've only given up one rushing touchdown and that was
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston. So no running back has run in on them,
Speaker 1: and no individual player has rushed for more than twenty
Speaker 1: five yards in a game against Carolina. They're all going
Speaker 1: to change's, okay, And who's leading the league in worst
Speaker 1: schedule so far. Strength of schedule that Carolina, No, the
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos, Denver's guys. Oh, they've played like the Jets,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville and Giants is who they Denver's played. That's why
Speaker 1: they're three and O. Carolina is three and OZ. They've
Speaker 1: played against and three Jets. Ye saw Texas one in
Speaker 1: two Texans and in two the three games they played
Speaker 1: against a rookie making his first NFL start. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I realized, the Saints beat the Packers thirty
Speaker 1: eight to three in the first game, and Mickey has
Speaker 1: chronicled all the COVID casualties the following week when they
Speaker 1: didn't have seven coaches and offensive coaches. Yeah, but even
Speaker 1: but have you seen Jameis Winston stats for the verse
Speaker 1: three games? How many yards he's passed? Four? He's I
Speaker 1: don't I don't have it in front of me, but
Speaker 1: he has not reached the two hundred yard plateau any
Speaker 1: game yet in a game. No. No, So even if
Speaker 1: they had their coaches, I mean, that's I don't know
Speaker 1: how Sean Payton's doing it there with New Orleans. Well,
Speaker 1: he's you can see that he's changed their mo from
Speaker 1: that position, passing to a heavy running game. So credit
Speaker 1: credit Sean Payton for what they're doing in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Stay within yourself. Yeah, and they're about to go to
Speaker 1: three and one, three eighty seven total. I thought Winston, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. Yes, I thought I was misreading the line here.
Speaker 1: So we were looking, said, okay, Carolina beat New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Well that's a good win. Well yeah, he didn't have
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty years pass. No, no, just five tests. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, it's Cowboys with one of the top offenses
Speaker 1: in the league against the number one rated defense. But
Speaker 1: is that really the number one rated defense? Ye? Say,
Speaker 1: number one over rated defense. I was expecting that to
Speaker 1: come from you. Come on, man, Well, this is what
Speaker 1: I'm writing about today for tonight on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: It's what's what's the saying? The irresistible force and the
Speaker 1: unmovable It's fifty years ago the Sports Illustrated cover had
Speaker 1: the immovable lot, the irresistible force versus the immovable object.
Speaker 1: It was the game of this century, Oklahoma versus Neprassa.
Speaker 1: It was that game. It was that game. Yes, So
Speaker 1: there you go. Irresistible Force so that's what we have here.
Speaker 1: Is that what we have here, bycare and by the way,
Speaker 1: Carolina also lost its first round draft pick cornerback JC
Speaker 1: Horn last week and don't have their running back obviously
Speaker 1: in McCaffrey. So somebody, now make your picks. Somebody got
Speaker 1: onto me on Twitter. I was saying, well, here's the
Speaker 1: good news, and I said the Cowboys didn't have anybody
Speaker 1: else going on the injury list and they don't have
Speaker 1: to face Christian McCaffrey. And somebody tweeted back at me
Speaker 1: it goes, that's pretty rude to hope somebody gets hurt
Speaker 1: that that's good news. And I was like, okay, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm the pick click guy first. Okay, okay, take the
Speaker 1: score first, or player for whatever you want to do,
Speaker 1: all right, player first. I was gonna pick Ceedee Lamb too.
Speaker 1: I'm beckon well, I said I was gonna. I saw
Speaker 1: him last week. He's begging for the ball. Last week,
Speaker 1: he was opened all the time. I'm pretty sure he's
Speaker 1: been in Dax's ear, so he's gonna have a good game.
Speaker 1: But my dude is jay Ron, jay Ron curse. I
Speaker 1: love that name, jay Ron. He's about to bend to
Speaker 1: pick the Click for three games in a row. I'm
Speaker 1: finally getting it. I'm finally a believer. Yeah, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be even more specific. I think he's gonna have
Speaker 1: one forced fumble, maybe a tip pass on interception, okay,
Speaker 1: because he's all over the field, and I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna have more than that. He's gonna get. He's gonna
Speaker 1: he's gonna cause a turnover in one way or another,
Speaker 1: along with at least eight tackles. So here's your guy.
Speaker 1: He's second on the team with twenty tackles. He's got
Speaker 1: two tackles, the one tackle for a loss, two quarterback pressures,
Speaker 1: and two passes defense. I'm waiting on the fourth. Should
Speaker 1: have had an interception that didn't make a call on
Speaker 1: it was such a cramp only all right? So who
Speaker 1: and so j J one of course for me, I'll
Speaker 1: catch you, right guy. That's my pick to pick. I
Speaker 1: got at score twenty four Cowboys. Okay, close game is
Speaker 1: going to be a close game. I'm gonna go twenty
Speaker 1: four twenty Cowboys, and my pick Click is going to
Speaker 1: be one Randy Gregory because they are going to line
Speaker 1: him up wherever cam Irving is playing. O. Cam's the
Speaker 1: left tack he's the left tackle, so that's right side
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. And he can do it on one knee. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. That's a good pick. Good. Okay, Um, that's
Speaker 1: I was. You know, CD was my guy. CD was
Speaker 1: my guy because the way the Panthers and and in
Speaker 1: fact Isaiah standback, it was his film room. Uh tellustrator.
Speaker 1: That's going to be on the Mike McCarthy show. He
Speaker 1: shows how Phil snow their defensive coordinator, very aggressive coach.
Speaker 1: I mean they blitz. They bring Shack Thompson, uh, linebacker
Speaker 1: on the blitz, and and they got those edge rushers
Speaker 1: as well, but their corners they also play man and
Speaker 1: he was he was showing illustrating how they are committed
Speaker 1: to covering whoever. It is. Rather like if if you
Speaker 1: stack two receivers on one side, uh, and one guy's
Speaker 1: gonna he's taking that guy. They're not switching off. Okay.
Speaker 1: And he showed how you can run a U and yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was a someone went underneath on a crossing
Speaker 1: route and whoever had him because uh, whoever the corner
Speaker 1: was on that say, maybeen Dante Johnson. He was so
Speaker 1: committed to staying with his guy that it was a
Speaker 1: rub route basically, and I said, well, I can just
Speaker 1: see Cede Lamb you take him on that crossing route. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so that's why I'm going with Ceedee Lamb. It
Speaker 1: was because of what Isaiah insider trading, But is that illegal?
Speaker 1: You know? I want to say the Cowboys are gonna
Speaker 1: win big, okay, but they won big last week and
Speaker 1: you don't win big a lot in this league. And
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go twenty three sixteen Cowboys. And the
Speaker 1: only reason I differ with you on that because I'm
Speaker 1: optimistic that this team is differently special, yeah, and that
Speaker 1: they will score points no matter they're playing points And
Speaker 1: I'm I'll go with you, all right, you've convinced me,
Speaker 1: then I'll go. H thirty eight sixteen Cowboys last week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: can I go twenty seven? I was thinking, No, one
Speaker 1: thing we haven't talked about all week. I know we're
Speaker 1: out of time. Is that what Joe Brady has done
Speaker 1: with Sam Darnold. Yes, and it's been very impressive, and
Speaker 1: that there's a reason that Sam Darnold has found his
Speaker 1: new scenery to his liking, and it has did a
Speaker 1: lot to do with that offensive coordinator. They spread the
Speaker 1: field and there are so many options for him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to say the last word here. Two words.
Speaker 1: Don't relax just because McCaffrey's not there. Hubbard can hurt you.
Speaker 1: Don't relax. And don't judge Sam Darnold that he had
Speaker 1: been playing with the Jets. What's his record against the Cowboys? Sam,
Speaker 1: I want to know? And he threw a touchdown pass
Speaker 1: to Robbie Anderson, who I just found out only has
Speaker 1: five catches so far. Yeah, so beware, don't relax. So
Speaker 1: you changing your pick? Nope, but don't think it's this
Speaker 1: is like a cakewalk because it's in between Eagles Giants.
Speaker 1: Oh it's Carolina, right, Oh we won two straight. That's
Speaker 1: not the game you circled on. I'm wondering if they
Speaker 1: can handle success. And it's a noon start all of that.
Speaker 1: To me, if this team is as good as we
Speaker 1: think it is, and it should be able to take
Speaker 1: on it just doesn't matter. They're too naive to know
Speaker 1: how tough that is. You know, I need to know
Speaker 1: that that variable it means something. So now I can't
Speaker 1: decide whether the Cowboys win O the Panthers. I see
Speaker 1: when I was a rookie, that's how I failed. And Carolina,
Speaker 1: we know how hard about old games. Mother Night didn't
Speaker 1: get the crap. We know how hard it is to
Speaker 1: win three, you four straight in this league. They've won
Speaker 1: three straight. About time for a loss. Yeah, I'd say
Speaker 1: that too, and Dan and be worried next week because
Speaker 1: if Cowboys win, they got to play the Giants on
Speaker 1: a three game winning that's trap game. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: trap kick. Yeah, because New England's next, right, But if
Speaker 1: you can win this one and then you get the Giants,
Speaker 1: and then you get a rookie quarter you freak Okay, Tom,
Speaker 1: Who's next? Okay? Okay. One other prediction Brady versus Belichick
Speaker 1: Sunday Night. Oh well, I think Brady's got a better team.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn my You're gonna go down. I'm turning
Speaker 1: the volume down because they're gonna be talking about this
Speaker 1: crap all things. It's more than just a quarterback. The handshake.
Speaker 1: What's gonna have the handshake each other or something? Give
Speaker 1: me a break, man, It's just the game. SEEZ all right?
Speaker 1: That does it for mix shots for another week, and
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