Speaker 1: The guys from paying. They've kind of showed me how
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.
Speaker 3: That is Marty Jerts, and we are in the Ping
Speaker 3: Tour truck.
Speaker 1: Marty. Tony Fena is joining us. How about that?
Speaker 2: Welcome up?
Speaker 1: Thank you guys, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Tony.
Speaker 3: I want to get into a lot of stuff with
Speaker 3: you because I'm very interested in your life and I
Speaker 3: feel like I've heard Adjason stories about the Tony Finow experience,
Speaker 3: but I don't know if I've ever really like solidified
Speaker 3: how it all went down. You turned pro at seventeen, yes,
Speaker 3: and you, I mean you turned pro because you had
Speaker 3: this opportunity to make a lot of money in Vegas.
Speaker 3: Were you playing competitive golf? Like, how did that whole
Speaker 3: thing go down?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean I was playing competitive golf, but I wasn't
Speaker 4: playing professional golf. You know, I was playing junior golf.
Speaker 4: I was seventeen years old. Basically, what happened was I
Speaker 4: had an opportunity to play in this ultimate game they
Speaker 4: called it, which was like a high stakes game.
Speaker 3: How'd you get in? How'd you get invited?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I got invited by someone in Utah reached out to
Speaker 4: my dad. My brother and I were I would say
Speaker 4: popular golf figures and just in Utah, being standout golfers
Speaker 4: in Utah. But you know, someone had reached out and
Speaker 4: said that they would fund us playing in that tournament.
Speaker 4: You know, I think it was like fifty thousand dollars,
Speaker 4: so just to get in, and he was interested in funding.
Speaker 4: Both my brother and I had to play in the tournament.
Speaker 4: And if you get to the final twelve guys, then
Speaker 4: you have to make a choice at that time if
Speaker 4: you wanted to win the two million dollars which is
Speaker 4: at the end of the tunnel, if you won the
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 1: So my dad pitched it to my brother and I.
Speaker 4: I didn't know how I felt about it, but my
Speaker 4: dad was like, well, we're gonna do it, so so yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: So we entered the tournament and lo and behold, I
Speaker 4: was one of the final twelve guys. I won my
Speaker 4: first two matches pretty convincingly, and so then I was
Speaker 4: I had a one to twelfth chance, if you will,
Speaker 4: to win two million dollars, which at that time, this
Speaker 4: is in two thousand and seven. You know, we're playing
Speaker 4: for two million dollars now, but this is I mean
Speaker 4: almost talking twenty years ago. I mean the season was winning, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 4: you know, so obviously a lot of money. I didn't
Speaker 4: come from money. And so basically when we were faced
Speaker 4: with that choice, I had already verbally committed to play
Speaker 4: at BYU, played college golf at BYU, so my dreams
Speaker 4: and everything were to play golf. But I knew I
Speaker 4: wasn't ready to play professional golf, you know, I wanted to.
Speaker 4: But anyways, we had a meeting with my parents, you know,
Speaker 4: my seven siblings and myself, and because this is a
Speaker 4: big choice, you know, a lot of my family sacrificed
Speaker 4: a lot for me, and my parents definitely, but they
Speaker 4: basically were like, what do you want to do? And
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I'm going to college, you know,
Speaker 4: and that's how I feel about it. And again my
Speaker 4: parents were like, yeah, nice, trive, but you're not You're
Speaker 4: actually gonna turn pro and you're gonna try and win
Speaker 4: two million dollars.
Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty much how it happened. And I
Speaker 1: ended up playing in the event.
Speaker 4: And the cool thing about that was, I, you know,
Speaker 4: I made friends with some guys that are still on tour.
Speaker 4: Scott Percy won. I played in a group with Kevin Strulman.
Speaker 4: Spencer Levine was also in the field of the final twelve.
Speaker 4: I'm missing somebody else that's a prominent figure out here.
Speaker 4: But anyways, I made some friends there. But after that
Speaker 4: I was on my way, you know, And it's been
Speaker 4: a heck of a journey being seventeen years old playing
Speaker 4: for you know, yeah, playing for two million dollars is
Speaker 4: one thing, and then my life, you know, I had
Speaker 4: to mature fast as a seventeen year old. But that's how,
Speaker 4: that's how, that's the story of me turning pro.
Speaker 3: When when you were when you get to twelve and
Speaker 3: you're having these as a seventeen year old, you're having
Speaker 3: these like pretty intense conversation with your family. I could
Speaker 3: only imagine what was the level of pressure you were feeling,
Speaker 3: knowing that if I can go on and win this thing,
Speaker 3: it's going to change my entire family's life forever. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that had to have weighed heavy on the shoulder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt, Yeah, no doubt. You know, I think
Speaker 4: there's definitely some pressure there. I look back now, and
Speaker 4: but it's all grooved me to be the person and
Speaker 4: player that I am today. You know, again, coming from
Speaker 4: very little as far as financial status, that was an
Speaker 4: opportunity to to kind of take our family out of
Speaker 4: the out of the hole and move forward in life.
Speaker 4: But all those experience, of all those experiences early in
Speaker 4: my career just molded me into maturing and being the
Speaker 4: person and player that I am.
Speaker 1: Today, Tony.
Speaker 2: What else was there between that event and getting to
Speaker 2: the tour that that we didn't see on Netflix?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because I don't know about you, Shane. I love watching
Speaker 2: yeah your story on Netflix. What else was in there? Man?
Speaker 2: I know we played in some of the same mini
Speaker 2: tours for a while, senior name around Arizona Golf, a
Speaker 2: lot of Monday qualifiers, the Big break. What was kind
Speaker 2: of what else was between there on that journey?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean all of that, you know, but basically six
Speaker 4: years of mini tour life and mini tour golf, you know,
Speaker 4: and and in those six years, I got married and
Speaker 4: had two kids in that in that timeframe. So a
Speaker 4: lot happened in my personal life, a lot happened in
Speaker 4: my professional life. You know, I was trying to every
Speaker 4: year I went to qualifying school and field. You know,
Speaker 4: I went through qualifying school six years in a row
Speaker 4: and never got through second stage. You know, I would
Speaker 4: get through first and not get through second. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: even get through first one of the years I would
Speaker 4: get through first again not get through second. So yeah,
Speaker 4: but you know, in twenty thirteen, I finally got through
Speaker 4: qualifying school and and I'm asked all the time, like,
Speaker 4: what's your greatest accomplishment in golf? You know, I get
Speaker 4: the ass all that all the time now having won
Speaker 4: you know, PGA Tour events and done some pretty cool things.
Speaker 4: And I would say, in twenty thirteen, getting past second stage,
Speaker 4: I knew that there was light at the end of
Speaker 4: the tunnel because I was like, now I'm going to
Speaker 4: have a chance to actually do something with my career,
Speaker 4: you know, like playing miniature golf is not a glamorous
Speaker 4: like PGA tour life. You know, it's like sleeping in
Speaker 4: your car.
Speaker 1: Man. You guys have heard it.
Speaker 4: And I've done all of it, right, staying at super
Speaker 4: suspect hotels, sometimes just staying like I played Canadian Tour
Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen before you know, Fall came around and
Speaker 4: played Q school and I had some friends. I mean
Speaker 4: we would stay three, four of us in one room,
Speaker 4: you know of you know Fort Knox one year, you know,
Speaker 4: me and my buddy stayed in our car, right, So
Speaker 4: all of those stories are in those six years are
Speaker 4: what I went through, you know, and I was doing
Speaker 4: that with a wife and two kids, so you know,
Speaker 4: obviously the pressure at that time was pretty extreme. But
Speaker 4: you know, before I married my wife, I basically told her,
Speaker 4: I was like, look like, I'm riding this thing to
Speaker 4: the will's fall off. Funny, there ain't nothing there ain't
Speaker 4: nothing else that I know.
Speaker 1: How to do.
Speaker 3: This is my craft.
Speaker 1: This is it right here.
Speaker 4: So if I'm the one that you want to be with,
Speaker 4: just know that, you know, this is the this is
Speaker 4: what we're doing. So I obviously I have an amazing wife,
Speaker 4: and you guys saw that on Netflix Full Swing.
Speaker 1: You know, she's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: So she's been super supportive and I wouldn't have been
Speaker 4: able to do it without her, you know, just the
Speaker 4: support that she's had back at home taking care of
Speaker 4: the kids while I'm trying to pursue my career.
Speaker 1: But that's what those six years were like. You know, it's.
Speaker 4: Extremely hard, and I look back now and it's like, again,
Speaker 4: that's what made me. You know, like I've gone through
Speaker 4: a lot on the PGA tour and I feel like
Speaker 4: I've proved myself, continued to prove myself. But the hardest
Speaker 4: times of my career were to get here. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: it wasn't to learn how to win. It wasn't all
Speaker 4: these other stuff, because this is different type of pressure
Speaker 4: that we're dealing with. To me, that was like real
Speaker 4: life pressure. I've got kids to take take care of.
Speaker 4: I got a wife to take care of. So it's
Speaker 4: a whole different type of pressure that I'm dealing with
Speaker 4: now than I was during those six years of just
Speaker 4: trying to be somebody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony, where was that second stage?
Speaker 1: What court?
Speaker 2: And how close were you that year?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: That plantation Preserve is in Fort Lauderdale. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: can't forget my wife. Yeah, my wife reminds me that
Speaker 4: all the time, Like I forget everything. It's like, well,
Speaker 4: you always remember your golf stuff. It's true, but yeah,
Speaker 4: Plantation Preserve. I was in by a couple of shots
Speaker 4: going to the final round, and I knew, you know,
Speaker 4: I end up shooting sixty nine in the final round,
Speaker 4: and I ended up getting in I think by whatever
Speaker 4: it was five. You know, I was comfortably I was
Speaker 4: company into me. I might have got in by even
Speaker 4: more than that, but I was comfortably in. So it
Speaker 4: was a great It was a great feeling finally to
Speaker 4: be able to break through after just heartache and disappointment
Speaker 4: of not feeling like, you know, I was living up
Speaker 4: to the level that I should be playing playing to.
Speaker 4: But it also just tells you how hard it is
Speaker 4: to make it to the PGA Tour. I think there's
Speaker 4: a lot of great players that just haven't taken advantage
Speaker 4: of the opportunity and that unfortunately aren't playing the PGA
Speaker 4: tool But they're amazing golfers. Yeah, but you know, you
Speaker 4: have I think a small window of opportunity got to
Speaker 4: jump through, and luckily for me, I was able to
Speaker 4: do it finally help my seventh try Tony.
Speaker 3: When you when you go back to those years, those
Speaker 3: six seven years you're playing Gayway Tour and you know,
Speaker 3: you get married, you have kids, You're you're telling your
Speaker 3: wife like, this is what I'm doing. Were there are
Speaker 3: moments and I can imagine there were probably a lot
Speaker 3: of moments where you were doubting is this what I'm
Speaker 3: going to do for a living? Did you have a
Speaker 3: close call where you said, Okay, at the end of
Speaker 3: twenty eleven or twenty ten, if it doesn't, if I
Speaker 3: don't make enough money, or if I don't get through this,
Speaker 3: maybe I will try to pursue something else. Was there
Speaker 3: ever a moment where you were thinking that or was
Speaker 3: it always I can improve, I can get better? And
Speaker 3: when where was that moment where you saw that sign like,
Speaker 3: oh okay, I'm close.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. You know, I think I
Speaker 4: can't say that I ever consider doing anything else. Okay,
Speaker 4: I can say for certain again, you know, I I
Speaker 4: from the time I was eight years old pretty much on,
Speaker 4: I wanted to be a professional golfer, and I and
Speaker 4: my whole life was wrapped around this idea that I
Speaker 4: would and belief that I could do it, and the
Speaker 4: work ethic was there to back it up. So I
Speaker 4: still had enough results in junior golf. I feel like
Speaker 4: and in the professional game. You know, I was still
Speaker 4: winning many two events to tell myself that I could
Speaker 4: do it. So I think it was still more when
Speaker 4: not if, you know, in those situations. And so luckily
Speaker 4: for me, I think I was just stubborn enough. The
Speaker 4: way I see it, I was just stubborn enough to
Speaker 4: think that I was going to be a great player
Speaker 4: in this game, you know, and whether people were telling
Speaker 4: me that or not. And obviously when you're seventeen years
Speaker 4: old like me in Utah. First of all, Utah is
Speaker 4: not a place that you're going to say one of
Speaker 4: the best players of the world is going to come
Speaker 4: out of this, right right, yeah, right's that's the first thing.
Speaker 4: And the second thing is not a seven especially not
Speaker 4: a seventeen year old.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: We've heard some of the stories of kids that I've
Speaker 4: turned pro too young, But to me, it was like
Speaker 4: it was more that I had the stubbornness and belief
Speaker 4: that I could do it, you know, and that was
Speaker 4: more important to me than what anybody else could tell
Speaker 4: me at that time. So I honestly can say there
Speaker 4: wasn't too much doubt. It was most of it. It
Speaker 4: was hard, but there was nothing else I would rather
Speaker 4: do than pursue this golf thing and try and make
Speaker 4: it and trying to be the best golf player that
Speaker 4: I could be. So again, I was fortunate that I
Speaker 4: have a wife that supports me and through those trials,
Speaker 4: and we're on this side of it now and we
Speaker 4: have a whole different set of trials. But that part
Speaker 4: of the life was something that's pretty crazy. And I
Speaker 4: would say, to answer your the other part of your question,
Speaker 4: I think you know, in twenty eighteen, it's hard for
Speaker 4: me to get away from this. Anytime you talk about
Speaker 4: my ankle, everybody's like, I feel like I came on
Speaker 4: the scene mostly because of my ankle. But in twenty
Speaker 4: eighteen my first Masters. I watched my first Masters in
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety seven, and I finally qualified for my first
Speaker 4: Masters in two thousand and seven. Seventeen twenty years later,
Speaker 4: I'm finally playing in the Masters of a tournament that
Speaker 4: I had watched my whole life, couldn't wait to play
Speaker 4: in it. On the eve of that it happens to
Speaker 4: my ankle. I end up finishing in the top ten,
Speaker 4: and so I think like my whole mindset shifted to, like,
Speaker 4: if I could do that in a major championship on
Speaker 4: a bad wheel and just have the fortitude to finish
Speaker 4: and play that well. Like that was like a turning
Speaker 4: point in my career. I had already won on the tour,
Speaker 4: had some nice results and stuff, but I think that
Speaker 4: truly changed. And then I got picked to play on
Speaker 4: the Ryder Cup team that year. I had a winning
Speaker 4: record in the Ryder Cup overseas, Like there were just
Speaker 4: things that stacked up, I think to allow me to
Speaker 4: believe that I could take my game continue to progress.
Speaker 4: So I would say that that was like a true
Speaker 4: turning point in my life.
Speaker 3: When people if you don't play well on a Sunday
Speaker 3: at a major, or let's say you struggle at a
Speaker 3: Ryder Cup or a big event, right and you hear
Speaker 3: critics or people that talk about golf like us say
Speaker 3: maybe the pressure got to them. Do you laugh at that?
Speaker 3: Considering the amount of pressure you had felt as you
Speaker 3: built up to this point, knowing that you know you're
Speaker 3: supporting a family, and ye're supporting your family and your
Speaker 3: parents at times like I can only imagine the level
Speaker 3: of pressure you felt in twenty eleven. In twenty ten,
Speaker 3: when nobody knew who Tony Finaw was it probably? You know,
Speaker 3: it can only matter. It overshadows everything we're.
Speaker 4: Feel hundred percent. Life is all about perspective and the
Speaker 4: perspective that I have. You know, most people have a
Speaker 4: perspective of you from a bird's eye view, you know,
Speaker 4: when they come down to the ground and actually understand
Speaker 4: what the journey that you've actually been through and been on,
Speaker 4: then it's not really about what people are saying up here,
Speaker 4: you know, It's just mostly about for me, how do
Speaker 4: I get better and move forward again?
Speaker 1: That that's it.
Speaker 4: I go back to that stubbornness and that belief. I
Speaker 4: have to be stubborn enough to just think that I
Speaker 4: can do great things, you know, whether it's going to
Speaker 4: happen or not. I think there is that level of
Speaker 4: stubbornness and belief. But yeah, you know, critics are part
Speaker 4: of sports, right, there's no way around it. And we
Speaker 4: live in an era, social media era that is crazy.
Speaker 4: Everybody has an opinion about you. But that's what I
Speaker 4: signed up for. I wanted to be under the spotlight.
Speaker 4: I wanted lights on me. I wanted people to see
Speaker 4: my game. I want people to watch me, and if
Speaker 4: people aren't criticizing what I'm doing, then I'm not doing
Speaker 4: really anything right. So I understand that, and you know,
Speaker 4: it just comes with the territory, you know. And I
Speaker 4: think some people look at it a negative thing. To me,
Speaker 4: it's all positive because it's like I'm doing something with
Speaker 4: my life. You know, I didn't come from a lot.
Speaker 4: A lot of times I look at myself, I shouldn't
Speaker 4: really be here right like, there's so many obstacles I
Speaker 4: had to will come just to be in this place
Speaker 4: right now. So there's not a lot that can be
Speaker 4: said about me to me that will really rattle me,
Speaker 4: just because of what I've been through. And another big
Speaker 4: part of that also is my dad. My dad was
Speaker 4: my biggest critic. He was my coach for the first,
Speaker 4: you know, a dozen years of my of my career
Speaker 4: and of my life. And there's not a lot that
Speaker 4: he hasn't said to me that somebody else can't say
Speaker 4: that'll that'll make me feel a certain way about myself.
Speaker 4: So he pushed me to a level to get to
Speaker 4: get me to where I am. And and so you know,
Speaker 4: you tried, you try to stay bulletproof through it all
Speaker 4: as much as you can. We're only human. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hear things that I don't want to hear
Speaker 4: about myself. I'm sure I'm gonna hear things people tell
Speaker 4: me of things that I can and can't do. But
Speaker 4: it's part of It's part of this experience that I'm
Speaker 4: having through through the journey, and it all just is
Speaker 4: part of the part of the process of being better
Speaker 4: and becoming better.
Speaker 2: Tony, do you ever do you ever get burnt out? Like,
Speaker 2: oh man played a lot of golf, or things aren't
Speaker 2: going my game, good game, I need to take some
Speaker 2: time off. To me on the outside looking in, it
Speaker 2: looks like you're kind of like John Rahm, like after
Speaker 2: he won the Master's like I'll be chipping and putting
Speaker 2: tomorrow afternoon. And when your kid when you went in Mexico,
Speaker 2: we saw that video you out caddying with your kids.
Speaker 2: After that, I mean, are you just is it just
Speaker 2: golf junkie or do you ever get burnt out and
Speaker 2: need to take a little breather? No.
Speaker 1: I love playing golf.
Speaker 4: I enjoy playing it, and now that my son plays,
Speaker 4: it's hard for me to not be on a golf course,
Speaker 4: you know. And and I'll even say to myself. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to play this fall, you know, and
Speaker 4: then you know my wife, and my wife is just
Speaker 4: like rolling her like here we go again, right.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I enjoy playing. I enjoy the competition. I enjoy the
Speaker 4: juices and what it brings out of me. And so
Speaker 4: just for that purpose, and I fell in love with
Speaker 4: this game playing in the evening with my dad and
Speaker 4: my brother with nobody else around. So I just I
Speaker 4: think I truly respect the game for what it is,
Speaker 4: you know, and the challenge that it is, and the
Speaker 4: beauty that it presents at every turn, and the tragedies
Speaker 4: that it's you know, presents. I truly enjoy the game.
Speaker 4: I can't say I'm like a swing junkie, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm studying golf swings and I know that much about
Speaker 4: the history of the game. But I truly love playing golf,
Speaker 4: you know, like I enjoy it. I'll take some time
Speaker 4: off when I feel like I do need to, and
Speaker 4: sometimes it's more of a mental, mental thing than physical.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's not like I'm tired physically. It's like I could
Speaker 4: use a few days off, you know, just to reset
Speaker 4: my mind. Because when you do it for a living.
Speaker 4: It's a whole different there's a whole different vibe that
Speaker 4: comes with it, you know, and if you don't have
Speaker 4: the same perspective that you've had since you were a
Speaker 4: kid of just trying to enjoy it. So sometimes you
Speaker 4: just have to take a few days off and recognize
Speaker 4: the blessing that it is to be playing the game,
Speaker 4: and then you get right back after it.
Speaker 3: You talk about playing golf with your brother and with
Speaker 3: your dad growing up, and you say you love the
Speaker 3: game playing golf, I mean, you play competitive golf. You
Speaker 3: got fans out there, some say normal stuff, some say
Speaker 3: not so normal stuff. You have to deal with all
Speaker 3: of that. Is your happiness on the golf course now,
Speaker 3: playing with your son, is that when you're you know,
Speaker 3: ten out of ten in terms of loving the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4: You know, my happiness of being with my family, no question,
Speaker 4: no matter what we're doing. But being on a golf
Speaker 4: course with my son is the greatest time. I think
Speaker 4: that's the coolest thing that he loves what I love authentically,
Speaker 4: you know, like he's been around the game since he
Speaker 4: was a right baby.
Speaker 1: That's great. Pictures of him sitting on the range with
Speaker 1: me while I'm hitting in the mini tour events, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, whether we're in Chicago, driving through Illinois, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of these mini tours were playing, he would
Speaker 4: just be sitting right next to the golf balls while
Speaker 4: I'm grinding away. But he's been around the game his
Speaker 4: whole life, so he just organically.
Speaker 1: I think all of our.
Speaker 4: Our first heroes are our fathers if they're around. I
Speaker 4: was the same way, and so my oldest son is
Speaker 4: the same way. He grew up watching me do this golfing,
Speaker 4: and so organically he's now loves the game. He plays
Speaker 4: in tournaments and it's some of the greatest moments of
Speaker 4: my life just being out there playing with him. And
Speaker 4: it's almost like deja vuf I was with my dad
Speaker 4: and now you know, it's it's kind of like a
Speaker 4: full circle moment.
Speaker 3: It's it's weird, by the way, I just want to
Speaker 3: say this, being a parent when you still feel young
Speaker 3: and then you have moments where you're like, I'm doing this,
Speaker 3: you recognize me, you know, and sometimes you're like, I'm
Speaker 3: not supposed to be this sole Like this kid's looking
Speaker 3: at me.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just so.
Speaker 3: Strange that it does actually happen like that, That happens
Speaker 3: quick to.
Speaker 2: Are you more nervous if let's say you got a
Speaker 2: foot to win a tournament, or you're you're spectating your
Speaker 2: kid he's got a twelve footter to win the tournament.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a lot more nervous watching than I am playing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you have you have more control over when you're playing.
Speaker 4: You don't have any control when you're watching. So I
Speaker 4: definitely felt that. I get asked that quite a bit
Speaker 4: when I'm out watching and and people ask me that,
Speaker 4: And there's no question, I'm way more nervous watching my
Speaker 4: son than I am playing.
Speaker 3: Tony your fifty second on the PGA Tour this year.
Speaker 3: And driving distance, we all know your golf swinging. We
Speaker 3: all know it's pretty short. It's been built for efficiency.
Speaker 3: If you wanted to be number one and driving distance
Speaker 3: on the PGA Tour, could you be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could be number one if I wanted to
Speaker 4: be My accuracy.
Speaker 3: With that swing like its accuracy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my accuracy would go down quite a bit. But
Speaker 4: if I if I only had the goal of being
Speaker 4: number one and driving distance ID one hundred percent could be.
Speaker 4: But I'm more interested in scoring and and playing within
Speaker 4: myself than I am uh in driving, you know, driving
Speaker 4: the golf ball.
Speaker 1: I'll let it. I'll let it go every now.
Speaker 4: And again, But most of the time my swing is
Speaker 4: just more about efficiency than it is about power.
Speaker 3: When did that switch? When did you realize that you
Speaker 3: needed to be more efficient with the golf swing. I mean,
Speaker 3: you're a big guy, you're a strong guy, you're tall,
Speaker 3: you can obviously get it way out, You've got long arms. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I mean the golf swing a lot like gen Ram,
Speaker 3: who I know, you play a decent amount of golf with.
Speaker 3: There is efficiency built in back golf swing way more
Speaker 3: than everything else you'd want to maybe chase.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no question. I found it out right after my
Speaker 4: first year on the PGA Tour. I got away with
Speaker 4: hitting it offline on the corn Ferry Tour and playing
Speaker 4: out of the right. You could play out of the
Speaker 4: rough on the corn for right. I learned real fast
Speaker 4: you can't play out of the rough and compete at
Speaker 4: a high level on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: That was the difference.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you actually sometimes had to hack out
Speaker 4: and you can't hit the green right. So after the
Speaker 4: first year I could have been dead last in driving accuracy.
Speaker 4: I think I was either first or second in distance
Speaker 4: and almost dead last in accuracy. So my coach board
Speaker 4: Summers and I attacked that, and he was.
Speaker 1: Straight up with me.
Speaker 4: He said, look, if you don't learn how to drive
Speaker 4: the ball straight or tony, you're just not going to
Speaker 4: be a great player. You know you can't. You can
Speaker 4: only play so well from where you're playing from. You're
Speaker 4: playing as good as you can from the places you're
Speaker 4: playing from. And I and I grew up scrambling, you know,
Speaker 4: That's that was a good thing about hitting it offline,
Speaker 4: as I always hit off lines since I was a kid.
Speaker 4: I hit it far, but I hit it everywhere. So
Speaker 4: I learned how to scramble. But I needed to hit
Speaker 4: it in the fairway to compete at a high level.
Speaker 4: So that's that's why. And it wasn't intentional that I
Speaker 4: short in my back swing. It was just I started
Speaker 4: to hit a little low fade the second year, the
Speaker 4: third year, and I ended up learning like, oh, I
Speaker 4: think I still hit it far enough and I don't
Speaker 4: have to worry about smashing it every hole, right, So
Speaker 4: my mindset started to change throughout the seasons on the
Speaker 4: PGA tour and that's pretty much it. And now it's
Speaker 4: brought me to today where I just try to continue
Speaker 4: to learn and groove, groove my my action.
Speaker 3: Marty, I know you're obsessed with like the golf swing
Speaker 3: and diving into golf. I know you're an athlete in
Speaker 3: your sports fan as well. When you want. When I
Speaker 3: watched Tony hit drives, it feels like Lebron level. You know,
Speaker 3: Lebron jumps near he's gonna lay it up and then
Speaker 3: he you know, finishes around the rim or like Judge, Yeah,
Speaker 3: Judge kind of makes It's a pretty good swing at
Speaker 3: a ball and all of a sudden it's in the
Speaker 3: upper deck totally. Just that like flick motion that Tony has.
Speaker 3: The golf ball doesn't feel like it's going to go
Speaker 3: through twenty yet it's still obviously, I mean, it's still
Speaker 3: plenty far.
Speaker 1: For PG standards.
Speaker 2: It was fun a couple of years ago. You were
Speaker 2: having fun in the Utah cranking some up, you know, carrying.
Speaker 1: Some about four hundred right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: It's still in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, still there.
Speaker 2: But it's a good example of there's that you know
Speaker 2: to to to play the type of golf which is
Speaker 2: your goal and you and Boyd worked on there's a
Speaker 2: sweet spot there, like you only need to hit it
Speaker 2: far enough and then it's about managing it and you
Speaker 2: guys really you know travel that journey really well. One
Speaker 2: of the things Tony you know from your stats, I
Speaker 2: don't even know if you know this or not, is
Speaker 2: that you are the best player in terms of like
Speaker 2: proximity of the whole strokes game from the rough right. So, uh,
Speaker 2: you know you talked about growing, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: scrambling and scoring. What do you think gives you that
Speaker 2: advantage long arms? You think it's like your your swing plane,
Speaker 2: your speed. Do you think you read the lies? Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it's the last one.
Speaker 4: I read the last well, I think, yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: I have not know exactly, but I have I have
Speaker 4: a good understanding. I think how the golf is going
Speaker 4: to come out just by looking at the lie and
Speaker 4: getting over it.
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that stat.
Speaker 4: I can't say it's super surprising though, again but mostly
Speaker 4: just because I grew up not hitting it straight, So
Speaker 4: I think I had to learn how to hit it
Speaker 4: out of rough. Not that it was pja too rough,
Speaker 4: but I did learn how to hit out of long
Speaker 4: grass and how to escape hit under trees and and
Speaker 4: work the ball and stuff like that. And I had
Speaker 4: to because I didn't hit it very straight. So but
Speaker 4: it's worked out to my advantage because now that I
Speaker 4: hit it straighter, I'm never concerned when I hit it
Speaker 4: offline because I know how to recover. I've been doing
Speaker 4: that since I was a kid, right, So learning how
Speaker 4: to score, I would say, is the greatest skill in
Speaker 4: golf is is scoring. You know, having the ability to score.
Speaker 4: You know, a great swing is one thing, and a
Speaker 4: great putting stroke and all those things, but the ability
Speaker 4: to score is what the game is all about. You know,
Speaker 4: can you score when you're not playing well? And if
Speaker 4: you can, then you know, that's that's a good thing.
Speaker 4: And I would say for the most part, I just
Speaker 4: learned how to score because of.
Speaker 1: How I grew up playing the game.
Speaker 4: I just learned how to smash it and find it
Speaker 4: and try and get it as close as I can,
Speaker 4: or never really any technical thoughts or anything. And now
Speaker 4: that I'm starting to learn and trying and starting to
Speaker 4: groove it, I'm starting to become a more complete player.
Speaker 4: And that's the great thing. I would say about golf
Speaker 4: in general, this is such a long journey of becoming
Speaker 4: a great player. You know, you can be your best
Speaker 4: in your twenties. Yeah, you can be your best in
Speaker 4: your thirties. And guys have already shown us Stuart Sink,
Speaker 4: Lucas Glover, you can VJ Sing, you can be your
Speaker 4: best in your forties. So you don't know where on
Speaker 4: that thirty year path you're going to be your greatest.
Speaker 4: So to me, it's like, just try to keep grooving
Speaker 4: and keep getting better at what I'm good at, and
Speaker 4: then hopefully my peaks are really good. And to me,
Speaker 4: I feel like I've you know, I hit a peak
Speaker 4: last year where I won like four times in a year,
Speaker 4: and I think I'm starting to find my groove At
Speaker 4: this age in my career. I've learned a lot about
Speaker 4: myself and about my game, and and I think that
Speaker 4: my peak is in front of me more so than
Speaker 4: I feel like some of the greats of our game
Speaker 4: it's behind them, you know.
Speaker 1: I think for me it's actually forward. Because of the.
Speaker 4: Journey that I've been on and all of the you know,
Speaker 4: heartaches of just getting to the tour, I feel like
Speaker 4: my best golf is in front of me.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Boyd. I mean, you worked with them for
Speaker 3: a long time as your swing coach, but he feels
Speaker 3: like way more than a swing coach. What is that
Speaker 3: relationship like, not just with Boyd, but with the entire
Speaker 3: Summersed family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of took me by storm. I hired
Speaker 4: Boyd and he was just, you know, just barely Yeah,
Speaker 4: well he was. He was barely even coaching for like
Speaker 4: a year and then. But we've become great friends. He's
Speaker 4: one of my closest friends. We basically call each other
Speaker 4: family now. And I've kind of taken his kids under
Speaker 4: my wing. We played a lot of rounds together with
Speaker 4: Preston and Grace and camp great kids, and they've done
Speaker 4: the same thing with my son in return, which is
Speaker 4: kind of a cool thing. But to see their success,
Speaker 4: and Boyd's been a great coach, He's been a great mentor.
Speaker 4: I've I've never really had a short game guy. I
Speaker 4: don't have one guy for different parts of my game.
Speaker 1: It's just Boyd.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's worked for me. You know, for other guys,
Speaker 4: you know, they'd like other things. And that's again things
Speaker 4: that I've just learned being out here. Everybody does it different.
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks different, everybody feels different. They some guys need
Speaker 4: the guy to do all the things, and I felt
Speaker 4: like I've felt like throughout my career. You know, Boyd's
Speaker 4: been enough and he's done a great job of just
Speaker 4: just again on my journey. You know, this is is
Speaker 4: not a like a sprint. You know, golf is such
Speaker 4: a marathon that you know, sometimes people can look at
Speaker 4: a certain player and say, how come this guy is
Speaker 4: not as good as this guy? Or you know, and
Speaker 4: as they say, comparison is like the biggest thief of joy.
Speaker 4: So it's easy to compare yourself to other guys, but
Speaker 4: it's not really that. It's like, I think I'm better
Speaker 4: today and this year than I was last year. And
Speaker 4: so that's actually what you're trying to do is just
Speaker 4: be better than yourself and keep chasing that instead of
Speaker 4: chasing like other stuff. So I think, but Boy's been
Speaker 4: a great addition to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony, when we talk about Boyd and you and
Speaker 2: your relationship with him, you know a lot of our
Speaker 2: fitters out there talk about, well, you know, how do
Speaker 2: you marry fitting and coaching together. It's like one of
Speaker 2: the biggest questions should I fit the player for this
Speaker 2: swing they have today or the swing we want him
Speaker 2: to have. I think a few examples from you is
Speaker 2: you've changed, like, for example, your lyingle and your irons
Speaker 2: by close to two degrees over a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Here it is Boyd coming in saying, hey, let's change
Speaker 2: your irons and change your swing at the same time.
Speaker 2: Like what comes first? You tweak your irons, you tweaking
Speaker 2: your swing both? What's that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So Boyd's been great in teaching me this equipment always
Speaker 4: comes first. And what that means is, let's make sure
Speaker 4: that it's not the equipment. The equipment's performing before we
Speaker 4: make changes, you know. So like if I'm hitting a
Speaker 4: ball consistently with too much spin, is it the shaft?
Speaker 4: Is it the Let's make sure that we're dialed in
Speaker 4: on that first. It's always equipment, you know. And so
Speaker 4: that's why it's so important to be with a equipment
Speaker 4: company that is the best, you know, like, and you
Speaker 4: truly believe in their product and the team that you're
Speaker 4: working with to where you tell them what you're feeling
Speaker 4: and they can come and say, oh, well, we got
Speaker 4: these options. This is what we think and work with them, right,
Speaker 4: And that's where ping has been amazing for me. I've
Speaker 4: been with you guys since twenty seventeen, and it's like
Speaker 4: a family vibe. You know, I'm very comfortable being open
Speaker 4: with you guys. Hey, my driving, My driver's spinning right now.
Speaker 4: You know, just a couple of weeks ago, I had
Speaker 4: this conversation with Ko. You know, I was like a
Speaker 4: little bit spinning. I may not be swinging as hard
Speaker 4: as I was a couple of years ago when we
Speaker 4: had this shaft, So maybe I can try another a
Speaker 4: couple other shafts.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So equipment is like at the very top, and that's
Speaker 4: that's where board has taught me a lot, because I
Speaker 4: again just coming from not a lot, and I think
Speaker 4: whatever there was I played when I was a kid,
Speaker 4: it was like I was playing five different irons from
Speaker 4: different companies. I mean it was like whatever balls I
Speaker 4: found in the trees. Right, it was like against and yeah,
Speaker 4: out of that right, like a totally mixed bag. Like
Speaker 4: sometimes you know, I never had the same clubs, but
Speaker 4: I've had to change my mindset into Okay, let's make
Speaker 4: sure the equipment fits the style I like to play,
Speaker 4: and then it is about you. Yeah, but equipment, equipment
Speaker 4: is like at the very top when it comes to
Speaker 4: like fitting stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeaheah.
Speaker 2: I think a few fun examples. One number one, you're
Speaker 2: the best player out here out of the rough. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's new news you and use our blueprint iron and
Speaker 2: irons very small hill to tell yes, And that's something
Speaker 2: we always talked about when we're designing is hey, because
Speaker 2: we're playing Arizona golf, not a lot of rough, it's
Speaker 2: hard for us to relate to. Then you get out
Speaker 2: here the Shanees playing how import and that is right?
Speaker 2: I mean you're a great example of that. And then
Speaker 2: working on your langle and then even with your putter,
Speaker 2: right you and Boid have worked a lot on your
Speaker 2: setup and we even designed a special feature in iping
Speaker 2: for you that has that that moves the bubble level
Speaker 2: you know, which is really funny. So it's been it's
Speaker 2: been that relationship of the fitting set up. How important?
Speaker 2: What's that p L d uh and we designed and
Speaker 2: you helped design the answer two D and working with
Speaker 2: Tony on that. So what has that process been? Like?
Speaker 1: Tony's been great.
Speaker 4: When I switched to the PLD, I got yeah A
Speaker 4: lot of times you don't get a meeta results, but
Speaker 4: I did get a meta results. Within the first couple
Speaker 4: of months I had won again after a long drought,
Speaker 4: and then I've been on a nice little run. But uh,
Speaker 4: I've been very open with Tony on how I how
Speaker 4: I feel with the putter, and he's been able to
Speaker 4: mold and shape the putter to exactly how I want it,
Speaker 4: which is uh, which is invaluable. You know, when you're
Speaker 4: playing for the amount of money, the legacy, the you know,
Speaker 4: there's so much on the line for us each week.
Speaker 4: Each week we have an opportunity to change our life,
Speaker 4: and that starts from these little things.
Speaker 1: You know, how do I get better?
Speaker 4: And and so having a team again like Tony and
Speaker 4: ping around every week to.
Speaker 1: Help me groove it is like super cool.
Speaker 4: But to be able to like have the model fit
Speaker 4: my putting stroke, I think is extremely important.
Speaker 2: That two D stands for deep, Like it's a deep answer.
Speaker 2: That's what you were looking for.
Speaker 4: I'm saying I wanted a little thicker soul than just
Speaker 4: the regular answer, and that's exactly what I have in mind.
Speaker 2: Now, what are some features on there? You've You've used
Speaker 2: Tony on the to help you with set up right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think one of the most important things in
Speaker 4: putting is being set up to it the same way.
Speaker 4: So to help me with face am I actually put
Speaker 4: an arrow right underneath on the bottom of the heel,
Speaker 4: and I want the arrow to be facing around the
Speaker 4: middle of my stance, you know, And so that's why
Speaker 4: I know the face is square. If the arrow is
Speaker 4: facing to my left foot or to my right foot,
Speaker 4: I know where the face is. And so I think
Speaker 4: face aim, especially on short puts, is extremely important. So
Speaker 4: we added a line there, and then I also have
Speaker 4: a line right over the top of the shaft. So
Speaker 4: my tennency is my hands to get a little too low.
Speaker 4: I like them low, but there is a you know,
Speaker 4: for me, there's still as sich thing as that's too low,
Speaker 4: and if I see too much of the white, then
Speaker 4: I know my hands are starting to get too low.
Speaker 4: So there are just a couple of things there that
Speaker 4: we've added to help me with my setup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talked about your relationship with Ping. You came
Speaker 3: out on tour, you were a Nike Golf guy. Nike
Speaker 3: Golf goes away, so now you're a free agent. How
Speaker 3: did your relationship kick off with Ping.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I never hit a pink club in my life. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is twenty seven, this is twenty seventeen. I take
Speaker 4: that back. I had the I had the old one Ping,
Speaker 4: I two one iron, and I had that and I
Speaker 4: used to go driver driver straight to one iron. So
Speaker 4: I did have experience with it, and it was an
Speaker 4: amazing experience with this thing. I still I can't believe
Speaker 4: I don't have that.
Speaker 3: Still, Can I ask you how far you carry the
Speaker 3: old school one iron?
Speaker 4: Back in the day, I was finding like three hundred yards? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, there's when I was a kid, there was
Speaker 4: no holding back. It was you know, we all hit
Speaker 4: the high Slinger. You know, it was no problem three
Speaker 4: hundred yards. But so that was the one club I've
Speaker 4: ever hit of Ping. But outside of that, I never,
Speaker 4: you know, never used Ping. So I was going through
Speaker 4: all the different club manufacturers. I had them send me,
Speaker 4: send me clubs. I wanted to try everything, just to
Speaker 4: clear my conscious, to know that I truly have tried everything,
Speaker 4: and then I get to pick what I think is
Speaker 4: going to be best for me. I went to Scott,
Speaker 4: I went to Phoenix, went to headquarters at Ping, and
Speaker 4: it was just a bucket list. I don't think we're
Speaker 4: a listing where I just wanted to knock Ping off
Speaker 4: the list, just so I know my conscious that I
Speaker 4: tried Ping and I can get rid of them. As
Speaker 4: soon as I start hitting these Eyeblades, like it was
Speaker 4: like this light went off of my head.
Speaker 1: I was like, are you serious? These things? Are these clubs?
Speaker 1: Are that good?
Speaker 4: So then I hit the you know, Then I hit
Speaker 4: the woods. Then I hit the driver, and I was like,
Speaker 4: all right, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I didn't drive. I knew.
Speaker 4: I knew right there, I said, I'm playing Ping, So
Speaker 4: I had them. I played Eyeblades for the rest of
Speaker 4: seventeen and then and then the rest of eighteen, and
Speaker 4: at the end of eighteen is when they came out
Speaker 4: with the blueprints and I put the blueprints straight in
Speaker 4: and I've been playing the same set of blueprints since
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. So it was It's quite a cool story
Speaker 4: that way, where I truly did try almost every club manufacturer,
Speaker 4: and for me, Ping was the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony, I don't even know if you know this,
Speaker 2: but you also helped kicked off this idea where anyone
Speaker 2: who gets fit at Ping now marries their golf ball
Speaker 2: to their driver because remember the G four and er
Speaker 2: Max driver. Yeah, you hit that thing awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did.
Speaker 2: But I remember that story where it was spinning a
Speaker 2: little too much and instead of changing the driver because
Speaker 2: you didn't want to take loft off it, that's when
Speaker 2: you started playing that left out ball.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: So we actually kind of used that as inspiration. I
Speaker 2: started personally used the left up ball because it's the
Speaker 2: same same thing, but we use that as inspiration. Now
Speaker 2: everybody marries ball and club together, you know, thanks to you.
Speaker 1: I love that so good. Happy got good help.
Speaker 3: Maybe as maybe asked for a bonus, he asked for
Speaker 3: like a slight contract bonus. Hey guys, if you guys
Speaker 3: just a little bit more, you talk about your best
Speaker 3: years or ahead of you, Tony, what's left? Like, what
Speaker 3: do you do you write down goals every year? Do
Speaker 3: you have that in mind? Or you just go out
Speaker 3: and try to play because you feel like such a
Speaker 3: cerebral guy, like you're just going out there and trying
Speaker 3: to have some fun and play some good golf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a I think that's the crazy thing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Sometimes the misconception of either the nice guy or whatever
Speaker 4: the case. But I I don't think anybody at any
Speaker 4: level is great or successful without without a bit of
Speaker 4: a dog, without being a dog, but without without having
Speaker 4: a plan, you know, and without executing it, without having
Speaker 4: the work ethic, all those all the things that come
Speaker 4: with being great at something. So I could see how
Speaker 4: I come off that way. But one hundred percent, you know,
Speaker 4: I make I make goals every year and and this year,
Speaker 4: you know, my my goal moving forward in my career
Speaker 4: is to win major championships.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: And that's where I feel like I'm at in the
Speaker 4: pros of my career. And of course, you want to
Speaker 4: set yourself up every week to win. I want to
Speaker 4: win many more times on the PGA Tour, but major
Speaker 4: championships are what the great players win, and to put
Speaker 4: myself in that category, I need to win some. So
Speaker 4: I don't want to win one. I don't want to
Speaker 4: win two. I want to win a few of them.
Speaker 4: So my biggest thing is Number one, stay healthy. I
Speaker 4: think I've been fortunate in my career up to this point.
Speaker 4: I'm about to start my tenth season. I haven't had
Speaker 4: any major injuries, so I think that that's extremely important
Speaker 4: for me for the next dozen years of my career.
Speaker 4: I think if that's the case, I'm going to have
Speaker 4: a chance to win some major championships. So my health,
Speaker 4: I would say, is at the very top. And if
Speaker 4: if I'm healthy, I think for the next dozen years,
Speaker 4: then then I moved to the golf portion of it
Speaker 4: and make sure that no stone is unturned when it
Speaker 4: comes to my game and trying to continue to progress,
Speaker 4: continue to improve, and and and knock off some major
Speaker 4: championships in my in my career.
Speaker 2: What do you do? What do you do from investment side,
Speaker 2: on your time, investment on your fitness side to make
Speaker 2: sure you stay injury for you? And how does BOYD
Speaker 2: weave into that or swing mechanics and things of that nature.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well boy doesn't doesn't help me a lot with
Speaker 4: with nutrition or with working out or anything.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I've got a trainer that I use, Stuart Love. I've
Speaker 4: been with him for seven years nice, so he's He's
Speaker 4: been a huge help as far as that department goes.
Speaker 4: With the lifestyle that I have on the road, it's
Speaker 4: a lot easier for me to work out, honestly than
Speaker 4: than when I'm at home because I'm with my kids
Speaker 4: a lot. Yeah, you know, we're together all the time.
Speaker 4: When I'm home, I have to sprinkle it in before
Speaker 4: they wake up late at night, you know. So it's
Speaker 4: it's just it's just making sure I get it in
Speaker 4: when I can, you know. And it's but it's it's
Speaker 4: the most important thing that you have, you know, our
Speaker 4: is our health. So I know that that's the case
Speaker 4: for me, and I try to stay on top of it.
Speaker 4: My diet has gotten better, i would say, every year
Speaker 4: and every season of my career, just because you know,
Speaker 4: you don't want that old age to slow you down,
Speaker 4: you know, And.
Speaker 1: So I've tried to eat better. I've tried different types.
Speaker 4: Of diets to see how my body reacts to it,
Speaker 4: and again just trying to figure out all of that.
Speaker 4: But I've worked hard to stay in shape, and you
Speaker 4: have to at this level to be to be any good.
Speaker 3: What's your current diet thought right now? Where are we
Speaker 3: at right now, Tony?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was on the carnivore diet for six weeks.
Speaker 4: I just stopped that a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: So that's just that's just meat and vegetables, No it's
Speaker 3: just meat, just meat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so real quick, what is the breakfast? Like, what's bread? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So I would eat I only had two mills sixteen
Speaker 4: so so breakfast, I'd eat a sixteen ounce rabbi, three
Speaker 4: strips of bacon, and either like a chicken.
Speaker 1: Thigh or like two or three eggs. This awesome.
Speaker 4: And then I would only beef jerky throughout my like
Speaker 4: while I while I practice, and then at night I'd
Speaker 4: have like maybe some lamb chops and like a couple
Speaker 4: of strips of bacon. Yeah, and then true carnival. There's
Speaker 4: like levels to this, and I don't want to get
Speaker 4: too far, too deep into it. Two carnivores only eat beef,
Speaker 4: which is from the cow, and they'll eat nose to
Speaker 4: tail meaning everything. I'm not extreme like that. I like,
Speaker 4: I thought it was hard enough just to eat meat,
Speaker 4: you know, So I I'm fine with, you know, adding pork,
Speaker 4: and I ate lamb, and I ate chicken and fish,
Speaker 4: you know. So I was kind of the next level
Speaker 4: down from the extreme carnivores. But I thought there was
Speaker 4: a lot of great things to it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I lost twelve pounds, but it mostly you cut out
Speaker 4: carbs and vegetables and and sugars, you know, And.
Speaker 1: So I thought that. I thought it was great.
Speaker 4: I took what I liked from it, and I'm now
Speaker 4: into a different phase where, you know, I like fruits
Speaker 4: way too much to just totally get.
Speaker 1: Rid of them. I think it's the great the greatest
Speaker 1: source of sugar that you could have. So I've had.
Speaker 4: I'm now added fruit and some vegetables back into my
Speaker 4: back into my diet. But it was a it was
Speaker 4: a good diet while it lasted. I thought it had
Speaker 4: some great benefits.
Speaker 3: Is it easy for you to stay disciplined with that stuff?
Speaker 1: Are you good about that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I am pretty disciplined when it comes to that because
Speaker 4: I want to, I truly want to understand if it's
Speaker 4: working for me or yeah, I want to see what's
Speaker 4: really happening to my body. If I'm not disciplined enough,
Speaker 4: I'm not really going to understand if it's actually working.
Speaker 4: So for six straight, for four straight weeks, I was
Speaker 4: hardcore carnivore. For the two weeks after that, I added
Speaker 4: fruit because I felt I actually felt like I had
Speaker 4: to like my I think my sugar level was my
Speaker 4: glucose And this is again I was in the middle
Speaker 4: of the season, like I probably shouldn't be trying this
Speaker 4: stuff like that and being that disciplined.
Speaker 1: But there's never really a good time to to.
Speaker 3: Try if you guys haven't had an off season, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty five years exactly, so good news to take some
Speaker 3: time off this ball.
Speaker 2: It's one of the fun things I've loved Tony about
Speaker 2: having you and other players on is how much you
Speaker 2: guys do experiment, Like, you know, it's like self experimentation,
Speaker 2: whether it's on diet, routine, swinging, training aids.
Speaker 1: You name it.
Speaker 2: You know, you got to take a little bit of
Speaker 2: risk once a while, experiment.
Speaker 4: I would say guys aren't scared to change. I think
Speaker 4: they truly know. Again, they're stubborn enough to know how
Speaker 4: good they are and great at what they do, and
Speaker 4: and if they think something is going to be better
Speaker 4: for them, then they're not.
Speaker 1: They're not scared to try it, Tony.
Speaker 3: How's a sneaker collection? Is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's pretty Is it extensive?
Speaker 4: It's pretty good. It's not that extensive. I do have
Speaker 4: a pretty nice Jordan collection, but it's mostly aj One's
Speaker 4: high tops and low tops. Okay, some fives, some elevens
Speaker 4: because I only collect the ones.
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to wear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm not like a Jordan guy
Speaker 4: where it's like I have the one through thirteen and
Speaker 4: you know all the different color waves. I actually get
Speaker 4: the shoes I wear right right, So yeah, but it's
Speaker 4: pretty solid, you know, thanks to Nike and Jordan. I
Speaker 4: you know, I get the get shoes for free.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of nice.
Speaker 3: Tony, you're the man. We appreciate you taking some time.
Speaker 3: Keep crushing it. Fun to watch, fun to listen to
Speaker 3: your chat about it too. I mean, what are a
Speaker 3: unique journey. It's been uh, it's been fun to watch.
Speaker 3: I'm you know what, I'm excited to see too. I'm
Speaker 3: excited to see Preston playing golf and raw. It's gonna
Speaker 3: look like when he turns professional. Very different journey.
Speaker 1: But we appreciate the time so much. Thanks, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me. Thanks m HM