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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Ping Proving Grounds Podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.

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Speaker 3: That is Marty Jerts, and we are in the Ping

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Speaker 1: Marty. Tony Fena is joining us. How about that?

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Speaker 2: Welcome up?

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Tony.

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Speaker 3: I want to get into a lot of stuff with

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Speaker 3: but I don't know if I've ever really like solidified

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Speaker 3: how it all went down. You turned pro at seventeen, yes,

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Speaker 3: and you, I mean you turned pro because you had

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Speaker 3: Were you playing competitive golf? Like, how did that whole

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Speaker 4: I mean I was playing competitive golf, but I wasn't

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Speaker 4: I was seventeen years old. Basically, what happened was I

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Speaker 3: How'd you get in? How'd you get invited?

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Speaker 4: I got invited by someone in Utah reached out to

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it was like fifty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 4: Both my brother and I had to play in the tournament.

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Speaker 1: So my dad pitched it to my brother and I.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty much how it happened. And I

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Speaker 4: And the cool thing about that was, I, you know,

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Speaker 2: What else was there between that event and getting to

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Speaker 3: When people if you don't play well on a Sunday

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Speaker 4: I go back to that stubbornness and that belief. I

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Speaker 4: Our first heroes are our fathers if they're around. I

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Speaker 3: It's it's weird, by the way, I just want to

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Speaker 4: you have you have more control over when you're playing.

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00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,959
Speaker 4: You don't have any control when you're watching. So I

439
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,879
Speaker 4: definitely felt that. I get asked that quite a bit

440
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,480
Speaker 4: when I'm out watching and and people ask me that,

441
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,600
Speaker 4: And there's no question, I'm way more nervous watching my

442
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:21,560
Speaker 4: son than I am playing.

443
00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,440
Speaker 3: Tony your fifty second on the PGA Tour this year.

444
00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,280
Speaker 3: And driving distance, we all know your golf swinging. We

445
00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,280
Speaker 3: all know it's pretty short. It's been built for efficiency.

446
00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,520
Speaker 3: If you wanted to be number one and driving distance

447
00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:32,720
Speaker 3: on the PGA Tour, could you be?

448
00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:34,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could be number one if I wanted to

449
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,159
Speaker 4: be My accuracy.

450
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,400
Speaker 3: With that swing like its accuracy.

451
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, my accuracy would go down quite a bit. But

452
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,080
Speaker 4: if I if I only had the goal of being

453
00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,239
Speaker 4: number one and driving distance ID one hundred percent could be.

454
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,320
Speaker 4: But I'm more interested in scoring and and playing within

455
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,920
Speaker 4: myself than I am uh in driving, you know, driving

456
00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,400
Speaker 4: the golf ball.

457
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 1: I'll let it. I'll let it go every now.

458
00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,199
Speaker 4: And again, But most of the time my swing is

459
00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,920
Speaker 4: just more about efficiency than it is about power.

460
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,199
Speaker 3: When did that switch? When did you realize that you

461
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,639
Speaker 3: needed to be more efficient with the golf swing. I mean,

462
00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,879
Speaker 3: you're a big guy, you're a strong guy, you're tall,

463
00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 3: you can obviously get it way out, You've got long arms. Yeah,

464
00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,400
Speaker 3: but I mean the golf swing a lot like gen Ram,

465
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,800
Speaker 3: who I know, you play a decent amount of golf with.

466
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 3: There is efficiency built in back golf swing way more

467
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,480
Speaker 3: than everything else you'd want to maybe chase.

468
00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, no question. I found it out right after my

469
00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,480
Speaker 4: first year on the PGA Tour. I got away with

470
00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,240
Speaker 4: hitting it offline on the corn Ferry Tour and playing

471
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,240
Speaker 4: out of the right. You could play out of the

472
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,400
Speaker 4: rough on the corn for right. I learned real fast

473
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,840
Speaker 4: you can't play out of the rough and compete at

474
00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 4: a high level on the PGA Tour.

475
00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:34,199
Speaker 1: That was the difference.

476
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you actually sometimes had to hack out

477
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 4: and you can't hit the green right. So after the

478
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,120
Speaker 4: first year I could have been dead last in driving accuracy.

479
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,919
Speaker 4: I think I was either first or second in distance

480
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,360
Speaker 4: and almost dead last in accuracy. So my coach board

481
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,639
Speaker 4: Summers and I attacked that, and he was.

482
00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 1: Straight up with me.

483
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,440
Speaker 4: He said, look, if you don't learn how to drive

484
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 4: the ball straight or tony, you're just not going to

485
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,000
Speaker 4: be a great player. You know you can't. You can

486
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 4: only play so well from where you're playing from. You're

487
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 4: playing as good as you can from the places you're

488
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,600
Speaker 4: playing from. And I and I grew up scrambling, you know,

489
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 4: That's that was a good thing about hitting it offline,

490
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 4: as I always hit off lines since I was a kid.

491
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 4: I hit it far, but I hit it everywhere. So

492
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,720
Speaker 4: I learned how to scramble. But I needed to hit

493
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 4: it in the fairway to compete at a high level.

494
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 4: So that's that's why. And it wasn't intentional that I

495
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 4: short in my back swing. It was just I started

496
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 4: to hit a little low fade the second year, the

497
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 4: third year, and I ended up learning like, oh, I

498
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 4: think I still hit it far enough and I don't

499
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,800
Speaker 4: have to worry about smashing it every hole, right, So

500
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 4: my mindset started to change throughout the seasons on the

501
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,199
Speaker 4: PGA tour and that's pretty much it. And now it's

502
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 4: brought me to today where I just try to continue

503
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 4: to learn and groove, groove my my action.

504
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 3: Marty, I know you're obsessed with like the golf swing

505
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 3: and diving into golf. I know you're an athlete in

506
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 3: your sports fan as well. When you want. When I

507
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 3: watched Tony hit drives, it feels like Lebron level. You know,

508
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 3: Lebron jumps near he's gonna lay it up and then

509
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 3: he you know, finishes around the rim or like Judge, Yeah,

510
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 3: Judge kind of makes It's a pretty good swing at

511
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:01,920
Speaker 3: a ball and all of a sudden it's in the

512
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 3: upper deck totally. Just that like flick motion that Tony has.

513
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 3: The golf ball doesn't feel like it's going to go

514
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 3: through twenty yet it's still obviously, I mean, it's still

515
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 3: plenty far.

516
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 1: For PG standards.

517
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 2: It was fun a couple of years ago. You were

518
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 2: having fun in the Utah cranking some up, you know, carrying.

519
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: Some about four hundred right, Yeah, that's right.

520
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 2: It's still in there.

521
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, still there.

522
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: But it's a good example of there's that you know

523
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 2: to to to play the type of golf which is

524
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: your goal and you and Boyd worked on there's a

525
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 2: sweet spot there, like you only need to hit it

526
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,919
Speaker 2: far enough and then it's about managing it and you

527
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 2: guys really you know travel that journey really well. One

528
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: of the things Tony you know from your stats, I

529
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: don't even know if you know this or not, is

530
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: that you are the best player in terms of like

531
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 2: proximity of the whole strokes game from the rough right. So, uh,

532
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 2: you know you talked about growing, you know, kind of

533
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: scrambling and scoring. What do you think gives you that

534
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: advantage long arms? You think it's like your your swing plane,

535
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 2: your speed. Do you think you read the lies? Well?

536
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say it's the last one.

537
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 4: I read the last well, I think, yeah, I know,

538
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 4: I have not know exactly, but I have I have

539
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 4: a good understanding. I think how the golf is going

540
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 4: to come out just by looking at the lie and

541
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 4: getting over it.

542
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that stat.

543
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 4: I can't say it's super surprising though, again but mostly

544
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 4: just because I grew up not hitting it straight, So

545
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 4: I think I had to learn how to hit it

546
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 4: out of rough. Not that it was pja too rough,

547
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 4: but I did learn how to hit out of long

548
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 4: grass and how to escape hit under trees and and

549
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 4: work the ball and stuff like that. And I had

550
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 4: to because I didn't hit it very straight. So but

551
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 4: it's worked out to my advantage because now that I

552
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 4: hit it straighter, I'm never concerned when I hit it

553
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 4: offline because I know how to recover. I've been doing

554
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 4: that since I was a kid, right, So learning how

555
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 4: to score, I would say, is the greatest skill in

556
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 4: golf is is scoring. You know, having the ability to score.

557
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 4: You know, a great swing is one thing, and a

558
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 4: great putting stroke and all those things, but the ability

559
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 4: to score is what the game is all about. You know,

560
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 4: can you score when you're not playing well? And if

561
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 4: you can, then you know, that's that's a good thing.

562
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 4: And I would say for the most part, I just

563
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 4: learned how to score because of.

564
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: How I grew up playing the game.

565
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 4: I just learned how to smash it and find it

566
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 4: and try and get it as close as I can,

567
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: or never really any technical thoughts or anything. And now

568
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 4: that I'm starting to learn and trying and starting to

569
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 4: groove it, I'm starting to become a more complete player.

570
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 4: And that's the great thing. I would say about golf

571
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 4: in general, this is such a long journey of becoming

572
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 4: a great player. You know, you can be your best

573
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 4: in your twenties. Yeah, you can be your best in

574
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 4: your thirties. And guys have already shown us Stuart Sink,

575
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 4: Lucas Glover, you can VJ Sing, you can be your

576
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 4: best in your forties. So you don't know where on

577
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 4: that thirty year path you're going to be your greatest.

578
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 4: So to me, it's like, just try to keep grooving

579
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 4: and keep getting better at what I'm good at, and

580
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 4: then hopefully my peaks are really good. And to me,

581
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 4: I feel like I've you know, I hit a peak

582
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 4: last year where I won like four times in a year,

583
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 4: and I think I'm starting to find my groove At

584
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 4: this age in my career. I've learned a lot about

585
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 4: myself and about my game, and and I think that

586
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: my peak is in front of me more so than

587
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: I feel like some of the greats of our game

588
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: it's behind them, you know.

589
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: I think for me it's actually forward. Because of the.

590
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 4: Journey that I've been on and all of the you know,

591
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: heartaches of just getting to the tour, I feel like

592
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 4: my best golf is in front of me.

593
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: You mentioned Boyd. I mean, you worked with them for

594
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: a long time as your swing coach, but he feels

595
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: like way more than a swing coach. What is that

596
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 3: relationship like, not just with Boyd, but with the entire

597
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: Summersed family.

598
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it kind of took me by storm. I hired

599
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 4: Boyd and he was just, you know, just barely Yeah,

600
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: well he was. He was barely even coaching for like

601
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 4: a year and then. But we've become great friends. He's

602
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 4: one of my closest friends. We basically call each other

603
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 4: family now. And I've kind of taken his kids under

604
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 4: my wing. We played a lot of rounds together with

605
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 4: Preston and Grace and camp great kids, and they've done

606
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 4: the same thing with my son in return, which is

607
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 4: kind of a cool thing. But to see their success,

608
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 4: and Boyd's been a great coach, He's been a great mentor.

609
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 4: I've I've never really had a short game guy. I

610
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 4: don't have one guy for different parts of my game.

611
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: It's just Boyd.

612
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's worked for me. You know, for other guys,

613
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 4: you know, they'd like other things. And that's again things

614
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 4: that I've just learned being out here. Everybody does it different.

615
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: Everybody thinks different, everybody feels different. They some guys need

616
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 4: the guy to do all the things, and I felt

617
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 4: like I've felt like throughout my career. You know, Boyd's

618
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 4: been enough and he's done a great job of just

619
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 4: just again on my journey. You know, this is is

620
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 4: not a like a sprint. You know, golf is such

621
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 4: a marathon that you know, sometimes people can look at

622
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 4: a certain player and say, how come this guy is

623
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 4: not as good as this guy? Or you know, and

624
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 4: as they say, comparison is like the biggest thief of joy.

625
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 4: So it's easy to compare yourself to other guys, but

626
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: it's not really that. It's like, I think I'm better

627
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: today and this year than I was last year. And

628
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: so that's actually what you're trying to do is just

629
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: be better than yourself and keep chasing that instead of

630
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 4: chasing like other stuff. So I think, but Boy's been

631
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: a great addition to that.

632
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony, when we talk about Boyd and you and

633
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: your relationship with him, you know a lot of our

634
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 2: fitters out there talk about, well, you know, how do

635
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: you marry fitting and coaching together. It's like one of

636
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: the biggest questions should I fit the player for this

637
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: swing they have today or the swing we want him

638
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: to have. I think a few examples from you is

639
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: you've changed, like, for example, your lyingle and your irons

640
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: by close to two degrees over a couple of years.

641
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: Here it is Boyd coming in saying, hey, let's change

642
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: your irons and change your swing at the same time.

643
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: Like what comes first? You tweak your irons, you tweaking

644
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: your swing both? What's that?

645
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

646
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 4: So Boyd's been great in teaching me this equipment always

647
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 4: comes first. And what that means is, let's make sure

648
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: that it's not the equipment. The equipment's performing before we

649
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: make changes, you know. So like if I'm hitting a

650
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 4: ball consistently with too much spin, is it the shaft?

651
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: Is it the Let's make sure that we're dialed in

652
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: on that first. It's always equipment, you know. And so

653
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: that's why it's so important to be with a equipment

654
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: company that is the best, you know, like, and you

655
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 4: truly believe in their product and the team that you're

656
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: working with to where you tell them what you're feeling

657
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 4: and they can come and say, oh, well, we got

658
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 4: these options. This is what we think and work with them, right,

659
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: And that's where ping has been amazing for me. I've

660
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 4: been with you guys since twenty seventeen, and it's like

661
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 4: a family vibe. You know, I'm very comfortable being open

662
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 4: with you guys. Hey, my driving, My driver's spinning right now.

663
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 4: You know, just a couple of weeks ago, I had

664
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 4: this conversation with Ko. You know, I was like a

665
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: little bit spinning. I may not be swinging as hard

666
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 4: as I was a couple of years ago when we

667
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: had this shaft, So maybe I can try another a

668
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: couple other shafts.

669
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: Right.

670
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 4: So equipment is like at the very top, and that's

671
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 4: that's where board has taught me a lot, because I

672
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: again just coming from not a lot, and I think

673
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 4: whatever there was I played when I was a kid,

674
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: it was like I was playing five different irons from

675
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 4: different companies. I mean it was like whatever balls I

676
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: found in the trees. Right, it was like against and yeah,

677
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 4: out of that right, like a totally mixed bag. Like

678
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 4: sometimes you know, I never had the same clubs, but

679
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 4: I've had to change my mindset into Okay, let's make

680
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 4: sure the equipment fits the style I like to play,

681
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: and then it is about you. Yeah, but equipment, equipment

682
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 4: is like at the very top when it comes to

683
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 4: like fitting stuff.

684
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeaheah.

685
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: I think a few fun examples. One number one, you're

686
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: the best player out here out of the rough. Maybe

687
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: that's new news you and use our blueprint iron and

688
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: irons very small hill to tell yes, And that's something

689
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: we always talked about when we're designing is hey, because

690
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: we're playing Arizona golf, not a lot of rough, it's

691
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: hard for us to relate to. Then you get out

692
00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: here the Shanees playing how import and that is right?

693
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean you're a great example of that. And then

694
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 2: working on your langle and then even with your putter,

695
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: right you and Boid have worked a lot on your

696
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: setup and we even designed a special feature in iping

697
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: for you that has that that moves the bubble level

698
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: you know, which is really funny. So it's been it's

699
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: been that relationship of the fitting set up. How important?

700
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: What's that p L d uh and we designed and

701
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: you helped design the answer two D and working with

702
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: Tony on that. So what has that process been? Like?

703
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: Tony's been great.

704
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: When I switched to the PLD, I got yeah A

705
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: lot of times you don't get a meeta results, but

706
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 4: I did get a meta results. Within the first couple

707
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: of months I had won again after a long drought,

708
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 4: and then I've been on a nice little run. But uh,

709
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 4: I've been very open with Tony on how I how

710
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: I feel with the putter, and he's been able to

711
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: mold and shape the putter to exactly how I want it,

712
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: which is uh, which is invaluable. You know, when you're

713
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 4: playing for the amount of money, the legacy, the you know,

714
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 4: there's so much on the line for us each week.

715
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: Each week we have an opportunity to change our life,

716
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 4: and that starts from these little things.

717
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, how do I get better?

718
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: And and so having a team again like Tony and

719
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 4: ping around every week to.

720
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: Help me groove it is like super cool.

721
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 4: But to be able to like have the model fit

722
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: my putting stroke, I think is extremely important.

723
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: That two D stands for deep, Like it's a deep answer.

724
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: That's what you were looking for.

725
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying I wanted a little thicker soul than just

726
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 4: the regular answer, and that's exactly what I have in mind.

727
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: Now, what are some features on there? You've You've used

728
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: Tony on the to help you with set up right.

729
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think one of the most important things in

730
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: putting is being set up to it the same way.

731
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: So to help me with face am I actually put

732
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: an arrow right underneath on the bottom of the heel,

733
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: and I want the arrow to be facing around the

734
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: middle of my stance, you know, And so that's why

735
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: I know the face is square. If the arrow is

736
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: facing to my left foot or to my right foot,

737
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 4: I know where the face is. And so I think

738
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: face aim, especially on short puts, is extremely important. So

739
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: we added a line there, and then I also have

740
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: a line right over the top of the shaft. So

741
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: my tennency is my hands to get a little too low.

742
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 4: I like them low, but there is a you know,

743
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: for me, there's still as sich thing as that's too low,

744
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: and if I see too much of the white, then

745
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: I know my hands are starting to get too low.

746
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: So there are just a couple of things there that

747
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: we've added to help me with my setup.

748
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talked about your relationship with Ping. You came

749
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: out on tour, you were a Nike Golf guy. Nike

750
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: Golf goes away, so now you're a free agent. How

751
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: did your relationship kick off with Ping.

752
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I never hit a pink club in my life. Okay,

753
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: this is twenty seven, this is twenty seventeen. I take

754
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: that back. I had the I had the old one Ping,

755
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: I two one iron, and I had that and I

756
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 4: used to go driver driver straight to one iron. So

757
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: I did have experience with it, and it was an

758
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 4: amazing experience with this thing. I still I can't believe

759
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: I don't have that.

760
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: Still, Can I ask you how far you carry the

761
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 3: old school one iron?

762
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: Back in the day, I was finding like three hundred yards? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

763
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: oh yeah, there's when I was a kid, there was

764
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 4: no holding back. It was you know, we all hit

765
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: the high Slinger. You know, it was no problem three

766
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: hundred yards. But so that was the one club I've

767
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 4: ever hit of Ping. But outside of that, I never,

768
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 4: you know, never used Ping. So I was going through

769
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: all the different club manufacturers. I had them send me,

770
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: send me clubs. I wanted to try everything, just to

771
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 4: clear my conscious, to know that I truly have tried everything,

772
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: and then I get to pick what I think is

773
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: going to be best for me. I went to Scott,

774
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 4: I went to Phoenix, went to headquarters at Ping, and

775
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 4: it was just a bucket list. I don't think we're

776
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: a listing where I just wanted to knock Ping off

777
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 4: the list, just so I know my conscious that I

778
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: tried Ping and I can get rid of them. As

779
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: soon as I start hitting these Eyeblades, like it was

780
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: like this light went off of my head.

781
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: I was like, are you serious? These things? Are these clubs?

782
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: Are that good?

783
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: So then I hit the you know, Then I hit

784
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: the woods. Then I hit the driver, and I was like,

785
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: all right, this is unbelievable.

786
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: I didn't drive. I knew.

787
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 4: I knew right there, I said, I'm playing Ping, So

788
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: I had them. I played Eyeblades for the rest of

789
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 4: seventeen and then and then the rest of eighteen, and

790
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 4: at the end of eighteen is when they came out

791
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: with the blueprints and I put the blueprints straight in

792
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: and I've been playing the same set of blueprints since

793
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. So it was It's quite a cool story

794
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 4: that way, where I truly did try almost every club manufacturer,

795
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: and for me, Ping was the best.

796
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony, I don't even know if you know this,

797
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: but you also helped kicked off this idea where anyone

798
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: who gets fit at Ping now marries their golf ball

799
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: to their driver because remember the G four and er

800
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: Max driver. Yeah, you hit that thing awesome.

801
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah I did.

802
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: But I remember that story where it was spinning a

803
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: little too much and instead of changing the driver because

804
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: you didn't want to take loft off it, that's when

805
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: you started playing that left out ball.

806
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: That's right.

807
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: So we actually kind of used that as inspiration. I

808
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: started personally used the left up ball because it's the

809
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: same same thing, but we use that as inspiration. Now

810
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: everybody marries ball and club together, you know, thanks to you.

811
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: I love that so good. Happy got good help.

812
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: Maybe as maybe asked for a bonus, he asked for

813
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: like a slight contract bonus. Hey guys, if you guys

814
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: just a little bit more, you talk about your best

815
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: years or ahead of you, Tony, what's left? Like, what

816
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: do you do you write down goals every year? Do

817
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: you have that in mind? Or you just go out

818
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: and try to play because you feel like such a

819
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: cerebral guy, like you're just going out there and trying

820
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 3: to have some fun and play some good golf.

821
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a I think that's the crazy thing.

822
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: You know.

823
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: Sometimes the misconception of either the nice guy or whatever

824
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 4: the case. But I I don't think anybody at any

825
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 4: level is great or successful without without a bit of

826
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: a dog, without being a dog, but without without having

827
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: a plan, you know, and without executing it, without having

828
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 4: the work ethic, all those all the things that come

829
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 4: with being great at something. So I could see how

830
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 4: I come off that way. But one hundred percent, you know,

831
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 4: I make I make goals every year and and this year,

832
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: you know, my my goal moving forward in my career

833
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 4: is to win major championships.

834
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: You know.

835
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 4: And that's where I feel like I'm at in the

836
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 4: pros of my career. And of course, you want to

837
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: set yourself up every week to win. I want to

838
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 4: win many more times on the PGA Tour, but major

839
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 4: championships are what the great players win, and to put

840
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 4: myself in that category, I need to win some. So

841
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 4: I don't want to win one. I don't want to

842
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: win two. I want to win a few of them.

843
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 4: So my biggest thing is Number one, stay healthy. I

844
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: think I've been fortunate in my career up to this point.

845
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 4: I'm about to start my tenth season. I haven't had

846
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 4: any major injuries, so I think that that's extremely important

847
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: for me for the next dozen years of my career.

848
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: I think if that's the case, I'm going to have

849
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 4: a chance to win some major championships. So my health,

850
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: I would say, is at the very top. And if

851
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: if I'm healthy, I think for the next dozen years,

852
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 4: then then I moved to the golf portion of it

853
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 4: and make sure that no stone is unturned when it

854
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: comes to my game and trying to continue to progress,

855
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 4: continue to improve, and and and knock off some major

856
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 4: championships in my in my career.

857
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: What do you do? What do you do from investment side,

858
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: on your time, investment on your fitness side to make

859
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 2: sure you stay injury for you? And how does BOYD

860
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: weave into that or swing mechanics and things of that nature.

861
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, well boy doesn't doesn't help me a lot with

862
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 4: with nutrition or with working out or anything.

863
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: You know.

864
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 4: I've got a trainer that I use, Stuart Love. I've

865
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 4: been with him for seven years nice, so he's He's

866
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 4: been a huge help as far as that department goes.

867
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 4: With the lifestyle that I have on the road, it's

868
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: a lot easier for me to work out, honestly than

869
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: than when I'm at home because I'm with my kids

870
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: a lot. Yeah, you know, we're together all the time.

871
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 4: When I'm home, I have to sprinkle it in before

872
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 4: they wake up late at night, you know. So it's

873
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 4: it's just it's just making sure I get it in

874
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 4: when I can, you know. And it's but it's it's

875
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 4: the most important thing that you have, you know, our

876
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: is our health. So I know that that's the case

877
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 4: for me, and I try to stay on top of it.

878
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: My diet has gotten better, i would say, every year

879
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 4: and every season of my career, just because you know,

880
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 4: you don't want that old age to slow you down,

881
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 4: you know, And.

882
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: So I've tried to eat better. I've tried different types.

883
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 4: Of diets to see how my body reacts to it,

884
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: and again just trying to figure out all of that.

885
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 4: But I've worked hard to stay in shape, and you

886
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 4: have to at this level to be to be any good.

887
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: What's your current diet thought right now? Where are we

888
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 3: at right now, Tony?

889
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was on the carnivore diet for six weeks.

890
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 4: I just stopped that a couple of weeks ago.

891
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 3: So that's just that's just meat and vegetables, No it's

892
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: just meat, just meat.

893
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so real quick, what is the breakfast? Like, what's bread? Yeah?

894
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 4: So I would eat I only had two mills sixteen

895
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: so so breakfast, I'd eat a sixteen ounce rabbi, three

896
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 4: strips of bacon, and either like a chicken.

897
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Thigh or like two or three eggs. This awesome.

898
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 4: And then I would only beef jerky throughout my like

899
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 4: while I while I practice, and then at night I'd

900
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: have like maybe some lamb chops and like a couple

901
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: of strips of bacon. Yeah, and then true carnival. There's

902
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: like levels to this, and I don't want to get

903
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 4: too far, too deep into it. Two carnivores only eat beef,

904
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: which is from the cow, and they'll eat nose to

905
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: tail meaning everything. I'm not extreme like that. I like,

906
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 4: I thought it was hard enough just to eat meat,

907
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 4: you know, So I I'm fine with, you know, adding pork,

908
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: and I ate lamb, and I ate chicken and fish,

909
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 4: you know. So I was kind of the next level

910
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: down from the extreme carnivores. But I thought there was

911
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 4: a lot of great things to it.

912
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: You know.

913
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 4: I lost twelve pounds, but it mostly you cut out

914
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: carbs and vegetables and and sugars, you know, And.

915
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: So I thought that. I thought it was great.

916
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: I took what I liked from it, and I'm now

917
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 4: into a different phase where, you know, I like fruits

918
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 4: way too much to just totally get.

919
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: Rid of them. I think it's the great the greatest

920
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: source of sugar that you could have. So I've had.

921
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 4: I'm now added fruit and some vegetables back into my

922
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: back into my diet. But it was a it was

923
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 4: a good diet while it lasted. I thought it had

924
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 4: some great benefits.

925
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 3: Is it easy for you to stay disciplined with that stuff?

926
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: Are you good about that? Yeah?

927
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 4: I am pretty disciplined when it comes to that because

928
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 4: I want to, I truly want to understand if it's

929
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: working for me or yeah, I want to see what's

930
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: really happening to my body. If I'm not disciplined enough,

931
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 4: I'm not really going to understand if it's actually working.

932
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 4: So for six straight, for four straight weeks, I was

933
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: hardcore carnivore. For the two weeks after that, I added

934
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 4: fruit because I felt I actually felt like I had

935
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 4: to like my I think my sugar level was my

936
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: glucose And this is again I was in the middle

937
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: of the season, like I probably shouldn't be trying this

938
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: stuff like that and being that disciplined.

939
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: But there's never really a good time to to.

940
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: Try if you guys haven't had an off season, like, yeah,

941
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: twenty five years exactly, so good news to take some

942
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: time off this ball.

943
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: It's one of the fun things I've loved Tony about

944
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: having you and other players on is how much you

945
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 2: guys do experiment, Like, you know, it's like self experimentation,

946
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: whether it's on diet, routine, swinging, training aids.

947
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: You name it.

948
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: You know, you got to take a little bit of

949
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: risk once a while, experiment.

950
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: I would say guys aren't scared to change. I think

951
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: they truly know. Again, they're stubborn enough to know how

952
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 4: good they are and great at what they do, and

953
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 4: and if they think something is going to be better

954
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 4: for them, then they're not.

955
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: They're not scared to try it, Tony.

956
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: How's a sneaker collection? Is it?

957
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's pretty Is it extensive?

958
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: It's pretty good. It's not that extensive. I do have

959
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 4: a pretty nice Jordan collection, but it's mostly aj One's

960
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: high tops and low tops. Okay, some fives, some elevens

961
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 4: because I only collect the ones.

962
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm actually going to wear.

963
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm not like a Jordan guy

964
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 4: where it's like I have the one through thirteen and

965
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 4: you know all the different color waves. I actually get

966
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: the shoes I wear right right, So yeah, but it's

967
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 4: pretty solid, you know, thanks to Nike and Jordan. I

968
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: you know, I get the get shoes for free.

969
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: So it's kind of nice.

970
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: Tony, you're the man. We appreciate you taking some time.

971
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: Keep crushing it. Fun to watch, fun to listen to

972
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: your chat about it too. I mean, what are a

973
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: unique journey. It's been uh, it's been fun to watch.

974
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm you know what, I'm excited to see too. I'm

975
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 3: excited to see Preston playing golf and raw. It's gonna

976
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 3: look like when he turns professional. Very different journey.

977
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: But we appreciate the time so much. Thanks, thanks for

978
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: having me. Thanks m HM