Speaker 1: The guys from Ping.
Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters.
Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I
Speaker 2: kind of want.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 1: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Bacon.
Speaker 2: That is Marty Jerts, and we don't have a guest today. Marty,
Speaker 2: you know what that means.
Speaker 1: We get to deep dive on some technical stuff.
Speaker 2: We got some q and a's. We sent a thing
Speaker 2: out on social media and said, you know, if you
Speaker 2: have questions for us about equipment or some of the
Speaker 2: stuff we talked about on the podcast, answer, We'll do
Speaker 2: it again in a few months, So keep an eye
Speaker 2: out on socials for that. The first question that was
Speaker 2: on Facebook from Brian I liked because I think you
Speaker 2: and I are now in this camp together.
Speaker 3: It says, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if it was talking about you, Marty. Play
Speaker 2: two drivers, Please descript, Please describe the differences in the drivers.
Speaker 2: We now play two drivers in our bag and I've
Speaker 2: been doing it now for a couple of months. I'll
Speaker 2: let you start on terms of the differences in your drivers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's pretty fun. I mean one is to
Speaker 1: maximize distance for the most part. So it's forty five
Speaker 1: and three quarters inches, and that's my gamer like you know,
Speaker 1: full max sen driver. And then I was looking at
Speaker 1: data Shane. I think we talked about on the pod
Speaker 1: which which showed that for players who hit the ball
Speaker 1: three hundred yards or further, you hit your three wood
Speaker 1: off the tee on average about ninety percent of the time.
Speaker 1: And for my own personal courses I played back home
Speaker 1: in Arizona, it's even a little bit higher, like ninety
Speaker 1: five percent of the time I hit off the t
Speaker 1: So I built a twelve degree G four to thirty max.
Speaker 1: Put it in the is your first one?
Speaker 3: Is your first one a ten k?
Speaker 1: It's ten k your gamer's a ten ten K ten
Speaker 1: point five in the big minus keeps the face a
Speaker 1: little bit open, built to maximize distance. Then you know,
Speaker 1: we're kind of calling this the Thriver three wood driver
Speaker 1: like that. So twelve degree max in the flat dot
Speaker 1: position tour two point zero blacks seventy five x yeah,
Speaker 1: forty three inches, OK. And I just it's not built
Speaker 1: to maximize distance. It's because I hit it off the
Speaker 1: t I t at really low and just kind of
Speaker 1: chip it down there in It's kind of like an
Speaker 1: anti anxiety club for me. We built yours pretty similar.
Speaker 2: Almost the exact same. I mean, I was gonna say
Speaker 2: forty three. It's twelve degrees.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's funny with the club I play in Connecticut. The
Speaker 2: first part part five you play, you kind of send
Speaker 2: it over the trees and if you have to get
Speaker 2: one to be able to go for in two because
Speaker 2: there's water short of the green. First time I had
Speaker 2: this second driver that would you call it the Thriver Drivers.
Speaker 2: The first time I had the Thriver in the bag,
Speaker 2: I hit a good one over the trees, but it's
Speaker 2: a downhill lie, so the balls kind of sitting sitting
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 3: Above your feet.
Speaker 2: You're kind of below it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And I pulled the twelve degree out. I was like,
Speaker 2: let's just see, let's see if I can hit this shot,
Speaker 2: which is tough. And I hit a good shot and
Speaker 2: hit it one of the green side bunkers and got
Speaker 2: it up and down for Birdie, And I told myself,
Speaker 2: if you can hit it here, you could kind of
Speaker 2: hit it anywhere. And it's a it's such a great club.
Speaker 2: You can tee it lowep and kind of squeeze it
Speaker 2: out there. I've also heard it that I can hit it.
Speaker 2: I can tee it a little higher and it promotes
Speaker 2: my draw absolutely, which I don't love hitting, so it's
Speaker 2: an easier club for me to draw.
Speaker 1: Yes, totally. So yeah, you can use it. It just
Speaker 1: has a lot of diversity to it. I think the
Speaker 1: fun thing for the listener to tease out from this
Speaker 1: is that your priority in your bag should be built
Speaker 1: based on how you know how far you hit it.
Speaker 1: This is one of those really cool insights from big data,
Speaker 1: because without big data, we couldn't have answered this question.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's something it's not for. It's
Speaker 1: not if you don't drive the ball let's say two
Speaker 1: seventy or further, it's probably not the right thing to
Speaker 1: consider because you need to hit your three wood off
Speaker 1: the ground a lot, whether it's a long part three
Speaker 1: second shine to part four, second shine to part five.
Speaker 1: But the longer you hit it, the less you should
Speaker 1: prioritize three with off the ground because part fives I'm
Speaker 1: hitting you know, three iron in four long irons in
Speaker 1: things of that nature and I have a lot of
Speaker 1: T balls. I need to hit that like two seventy five,
Speaker 1: two eighty where my a big driver, the dispersion is
Speaker 1: going to be a lot tighter than playing the three
Speaker 1: wood in that scenario.
Speaker 2: I heard players of the Masters that were putting in
Speaker 2: a second drive around because again some of the whole
Speaker 2: squeeze in at three fifty three twenty. So you're seeing
Speaker 2: even tour guys do this as well. I think this
Speaker 2: is gonna be the next thing you think about. The
Speaker 2: iteration through the bag. Seven wood was hot a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, and I know a lot of players
Speaker 2: are still playing at the driving iron was really hot
Speaker 2: a few years ago. It feels like the thriver, if
Speaker 2: you will is thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely out here on tour. It's kind of like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know you can you can swap it out like Augusta.
Speaker 1: There's literally probably no three wood shots, right, you know,
Speaker 1: like a two if you get it down there, you're
Speaker 1: gonna hit an iron or something.
Speaker 3: Kind of the only spot ten t but maybe you can.
Speaker 1: That's the one where you can take the thriver and
Speaker 1: you get a little draw spin on you.
Speaker 2: You need to like, you need to really like get
Speaker 2: that dialed in to your repertoire.
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go.
Speaker 2: That's the two drivers, and again just something to play with.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love the added loft. If I'm not
Speaker 2: driving a grade, I'll use it off the tee, even
Speaker 2: on holes I typically go with the gamers. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's versatile and I love that. Cameron on X we.
Speaker 3: Call it ex or Twitter. Yeah, it X former do it.
Speaker 2: Cameron said, how does ping help people identify what swingweight
Speaker 2: is best for them?
Speaker 1: That's a great question. I mean it's very fun at
Speaker 1: ping because all of our clubs have, you know, either
Speaker 1: CTP weights or CG shifters. We do custom weighting, so
Speaker 1: we have the ability that allows us to accommodate different
Speaker 1: shafts and lengths, but it also helps us fit for
Speaker 1: the right swingwaight. So a good general rule of thumb
Speaker 1: is a heavier swingweight is going to for the right
Speaker 1: handed golfer promote a more open face to path or
Speaker 1: a little right bias right. So let's say in a driver,
Speaker 1: you got the CG shifter that can move the left
Speaker 1: right a lot like it will change it like ten yards.
Speaker 1: But if you go a couple swingweight points heavier, that
Speaker 1: can bias your left right dispersion, say three or four
Speaker 1: yards more to the right, or a good way to
Speaker 1: think about is eliminate the left side a little bit,
Speaker 1: so it's gonna change your face to path. You can
Speaker 1: use to change that. Now you want to be a
Speaker 1: little bit careful going too far. You don't want to
Speaker 1: go like super light swingweight or super heavy because the
Speaker 1: other impact it has it changes your face to path. Well,
Speaker 1: it also changes your low point consistency. So if you
Speaker 1: get a little too light in the irons, it can
Speaker 1: help you turn it over, but you might be a
Speaker 1: little erratic in finding the ground. You might thin one,
Speaker 1: you might fat one, things of that nature. So there's
Speaker 1: a little iterative process there. And say irons where your
Speaker 1: your low point control is more important than a driver.
Speaker 1: A driver of optimizing the swing weight to produce a
Speaker 1: very consistent low point, right, very consistent low point. And
Speaker 1: then we can use that a little bit to eliminate
Speaker 1: a pull or a fade and kind of dial that in.
Speaker 1: But swing weight should be used is a lever not
Speaker 1: as big as say the lying goal or the CG shifter.
Speaker 1: It's important to keep that in mind, so you don't
Speaker 1: want to use swing weight as the first thing to
Speaker 1: go to to tweak your left right dispersion.
Speaker 2: Are you are you married to a swing weight? So
Speaker 2: like if you're like, what are you do? You know
Speaker 2: what you are?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my irons are D three. I'm playing them a
Speaker 1: little bit heavier now, partly because I want to eliminate
Speaker 1: that left miss with some technique changes in my driver's
Speaker 1: D six, which is also pretty So if you switched
Speaker 1: irons or you transition to another set irons with that change, yes, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so it would Now if I go hit irons that
Speaker 1: are D one or D two, now I will pull them,
Speaker 1: even with the same specs, same line goal, same shaft,
Speaker 1: I'll pull them, and I'll be a little erratic in
Speaker 1: my low point. Interesting, Yeah, so it won't find the
Speaker 1: centerness of contact a little bit. But you know, I
Speaker 1: think the big thing with swing weight is is don't
Speaker 1: go too far, like a couple points here and there.
Speaker 1: It's not one of those things you want to go
Speaker 1: erratically heavy or erratically light in some of that nature. Now,
Speaker 1: the other way to use swing weight in a driver
Speaker 1: is there's an optimal headweight, okay, and swing weight is
Speaker 1: the you know, the swing weight is kind of the
Speaker 1: proxy for that which maximizes distance for an individual golfer.
Speaker 1: So that's something else to play with. Some of our
Speaker 1: fitters out there have these swingweight kits and they can
Speaker 1: go play around with and try a driver at D
Speaker 1: three and D five. Again, it's a lever to kind
Speaker 1: of fine tune your left right, but be careful with
Speaker 1: it with low point control on your irons.
Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about the driver in terms
Speaker 2: of this because you know, you and I talk a
Speaker 2: lot about fitting and getting fit for the right club,
Speaker 2: and you think about loft being an option, you think
Speaker 2: about shaft, you think about length in terms of the driver.
Speaker 2: I know you talk a lot about that in swing
Speaker 2: weight as well as swingweight down the list in terms
Speaker 2: of things people should be thinking about when they're trying
Speaker 2: to tweak their gamer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it is. I think a good way is, like,
Speaker 1: let's say somebody's between you put the CG shifter on
Speaker 1: the driver in the draw and you're overdrawing it, or
Speaker 1: you have that little miss to the left. You put
Speaker 1: it back in the in the neutral and it's kind
Speaker 1: of a little right bias. Well, what's your option? You
Speaker 1: can play around with the sleeve to kind of dial
Speaker 1: that in, Or you can play around with the swingweight
Speaker 1: and just bias the swing weight a little bit and
Speaker 1: it's totally fine. Let's say you get fit with a
Speaker 1: driver our stocks D three and you're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: just want to barely eliminate that left miss. Just order
Speaker 1: the driver at D four. It's one of those things
Speaker 1: you can just use to kind of hedge a miss tendency.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: See, I mean there's just so many options, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Thomas said, can you go through the different settings on
Speaker 2: the driver loft sleeve and their effects on ball flight?
Speaker 2: So US amters can use that to our advantage.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that question. So yeah, trajectory tuning sleeve.
Speaker 1: We have eight positions the drivers out in the in
Speaker 1: the stores, and in most settings they're going to come
Speaker 1: in our default position, which has a dot to it.
Speaker 1: We call it the dot position. And then we have
Speaker 1: a small minus in a big minus, and then or
Speaker 1: a small minus in a big minus, a small plus
Speaker 1: in a big plus. Those the small plus is going
Speaker 1: to add one degree of loft.
Speaker 2: And by the way, just so people that are listening,
Speaker 2: when you unscrew the driver and you take it off
Speaker 2: it tells you this on the sleeve. Yes, so outside
Speaker 2: of just the dots and the pluses the minuses, it'll
Speaker 2: actually tell you once you take it off what it's
Speaker 2: actually doing lostwise.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we did that on purpose, so you can see. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is how much the loft is changing. So we
Speaker 1: have five marked positions. Then we actually have three. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like going to in and out. You know
Speaker 1: the secret menu get animal style pain. Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: the secret menus. So we have three secret menu options
Speaker 1: we'll talk about. But we have a a small minus
Speaker 1: and a big minus, and that changed the loft by
Speaker 1: one degree and one point five. Now this is important
Speaker 1: because you can use loft to change your launch and spin.
Speaker 1: So if you go down, for every one degree you
Speaker 1: change your driver loft, you will tweak your launch by
Speaker 1: about zero point six degrees. Okay, so it's not one
Speaker 1: to one, it's about six tenths and you change your
Speaker 1: spin by about two hundred and fifty RPMs. So this
Speaker 1: is a really good way. Let's say in the old days,
Speaker 1: before the sleeve, you'd either have to go from a
Speaker 1: nine to ten point five, right, your optimal could be
Speaker 1: right in between and you're stuck. Now it's a way
Speaker 1: to get super dialed with your launch conditions to unlock distance.
Speaker 1: So or you can use the big plus and the
Speaker 1: big minus position. Those change the the loft by plus
Speaker 1: or minus one point five degrees. Now if you go
Speaker 1: to the secret menu option shamee those. We have a
Speaker 1: flat dot position and that changes the sleeve from the
Speaker 1: more upright position and it goes we have a one
Speaker 1: point five degrees of tilt, but you use flip at
Speaker 1: all all the way around and you go three degrees flat.
Speaker 1: So we have a flat dot position. This is like
Speaker 1: what I play my Thriver and I think we build
Speaker 1: years also, and that'll make the That'll make the driver
Speaker 1: three degrees flatter, which can slightly open the face. It
Speaker 1: can change centeredness of contact for a player look a
Speaker 1: little bit different if you're playing a longer length. This
Speaker 1: is a great option. We've had some players do that
Speaker 1: on tour. They're playing at forty six inch drivers go
Speaker 1: in the flat dot position. So it's a great option
Speaker 1: to kind of tune your centeredness of contact and tweak
Speaker 1: your left right bias to go in those flatter positions.
Speaker 1: So we have a flat dot. Then we have a
Speaker 1: secret menu, small minus, secret menu big minus, which are
Speaker 1: one degree stronger and weaker, also about two and a half,
Speaker 1: about two degrees flatter.
Speaker 2: Is there like a chart online or anything people could
Speaker 2: dive into that tell you all this stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely. On our website you can see all the positions,
Speaker 1: and then our fitters out there in ping Co Pilot
Speaker 1: we have all kinds of charts which show all the
Speaker 1: different positions.
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, well, we'll tweet that out when
Speaker 2: the episode comes out of well, so you have an
Speaker 2: idea that all right, So we're moving from X to Instagram.
Speaker 2: Most comments on Instagram not worthy of putting on the podcast.
Speaker 3: These are the good ones that we pulled.
Speaker 2: By the way, this says approach to blended iron sets,
Speaker 2: where to consider the transition point and how to mix
Speaker 2: precision and distance models. So basically, when you're blending the
Speaker 2: iron set, when do you go from blueprint beyond or
Speaker 2: when do you kind of mix the blueprints?
Speaker 3: Like how do you do that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think a good way to think about our
Speaker 1: iron models is you have they we have the models
Speaker 1: that you the player bring the distance to the table.
Speaker 1: This is I two thirty blueprint s blueprint t right right,
Speaker 1: And then we have some great, really cool tools to
Speaker 1: be able to figure out where you blend those because
Speaker 1: two thirty goes higher Blueprint T, Blueprint S goes kind
Speaker 1: of medium height, Blueprint T goes a little bit lower.
Speaker 1: So we have some great tools in ping co Pilot
Speaker 1: which can set, which can look at your land angle,
Speaker 1: and we have some really cool algorithms in there that
Speaker 1: are kind of vetted by how our tour players lend
Speaker 1: their sets. Okay, and it says, okay, let's look at
Speaker 1: the land angle, and when the land angle starts to
Speaker 1: get a little shallow for that player's clubhead speed, let's
Speaker 1: bump them up with an iron model, you know, with
Speaker 1: their If they're in Blueprint T, we'll go to blueprint S.
Speaker 1: If they're in blueprint S, we'll go to I two thirty.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to blend our precision irons. But
Speaker 1: then we have distance irons, and a good one to
Speaker 1: blend over there is like our I five thirty right,
Speaker 1: that's where the clubhead is built more like a metal wood.
Speaker 1: The face flex is more you're gonna get more ball speed,
Speaker 1: more distance out of it. I think a good way
Speaker 1: is where you're iron your your gapping starts to bunch.
Speaker 1: And again we have some great predictive algorithms in Pink
Speaker 1: Copilot which can help determine when where that happens exactly.
Speaker 1: But let's say you're a player. You you get your
Speaker 1: set and you you start to hit your five iron
Speaker 1: and your six iron or your four iron and your
Speaker 1: five iron too close together from a carry distance standpoint,
Speaker 1: that's where it's time to start looking at a set
Speaker 1: that infuses more distance, whether that's I five thirty G
Speaker 1: four to thirty G seven thirty.
Speaker 2: Didn't saw hit the Goala not too long ago. He
Speaker 2: had two three irons in the bag or two four
Speaker 2: irons in the back right, But they were just different
Speaker 2: sets absolutely, So they obviously fluid flew different they they
Speaker 2: they had different trajectory stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I personally do that. I play an I
Speaker 1: five thirty four iron that is stronger lofted. Obviously we
Speaker 1: have a different loft configure. It's just built more like
Speaker 1: a crossover with our with our two or two point
Speaker 1: zero shaft in it, and I play it. Then I
Speaker 1: play an Eye or a Blueprint S four iron. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I play two four irons, but my I five thirty.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, this may sound crazy. It's my two
Speaker 1: fifty club. I fly at two foot okay, yeah, but
Speaker 1: my my blueprint SS I fly to thirty two thirty
Speaker 1: two at stock.
Speaker 2: How many players, I mean, I know you don't know
Speaker 2: the exact number, but how many tour players now do
Speaker 2: you feel like play blended iron sets? Do you think
Speaker 2: it's sixty seventy percent?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in our in our blueprints, I think
Speaker 1: you know, Austin Ekro is a good example there, blueprint
Speaker 1: T all the way down through the fore iron. They
Speaker 1: switched to blueprint S three iron. So and then we
Speaker 1: have other players that switch in the six seven iron.
Speaker 1: You know this. I played the blueprint, uh, and the
Speaker 1: pitching wedge only I like that waller pitching wedge. I
Speaker 1: like the turf interaction a little knifeier, right, And that's
Speaker 1: where I like, Especially in Arizona, it's kind of firm
Speaker 1: conditions in the springtime, so you can you have some players,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm on one end, I split it barely,
Speaker 1: you know, one one club over there. Uh, And then
Speaker 1: you have others that are splitting it like at the
Speaker 1: three iron, and then some split at six and seven
Speaker 1: so blueprint in I two thirty they we built those
Speaker 1: two be blended.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what I have. I have the
Speaker 2: I two thirty four iron and then have blueprint ass
Speaker 2: you know the rest of the way. So I mean
Speaker 2: I'm I'm in that category for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And we and we we can figure the lofts
Speaker 1: so they're the same amongst all those sets. So you
Speaker 1: get trajectory differences built based on the face structure design.
Speaker 1: And then our blueprint t's are also by standard, they're
Speaker 1: a little bit shorter length, which is more PGA two
Speaker 1: or average in terms of the lengths, and that gives
Speaker 1: a little lower trajectory as well.
Speaker 2: So you've got two drivers, three sets of irons in
Speaker 2: your bag, is that right?
Speaker 1: Yes, three sets of ice.
Speaker 2: I mean like I would love, I would love to
Speaker 2: talk to a random Paddy to get your bag at
Speaker 2: a club and they're going four iron going on here.
Speaker 2: So I mean, just real quick, just to kind of
Speaker 2: answer the question, you feel like the transition points are
Speaker 2: either at the three and four or a lot of
Speaker 2: the time around that six or seven iron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yes, I mean, well it's it's highly varied.
Speaker 1: It's highly varied on the PGA tour between Blueprint S,
Speaker 1: Blueprint T and and I two thirty. But I think
Speaker 1: to answer the question that that came in is when
Speaker 1: when when do you transition to a uh maybe from
Speaker 1: a to a forgiveness set. And our forgiveness sets are
Speaker 1: generally those that are also going to infuse more distance,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be where you're you're you start
Speaker 1: to eat that bunching, where you start to get that bunching,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to transition to a high lofted
Speaker 1: fairy wood or hybrid. Again, I'm going to defer to
Speaker 1: Pink co Pilot because we have this great tool called
Speaker 1: the gapping app in there. Go ask your fitter to
Speaker 1: put you on it, and that can help you decode
Speaker 1: where exactly.
Speaker 2: You should do that smart stuff there for Marty. All right,
Speaker 2: Carl says, you spoke on an early episode about all
Speaker 2: Namic being able to do a yardage card. Is it
Speaker 2: available to the public yet? This is something I used
Speaker 2: at the USA World.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, No, we we've made Shane one of
Speaker 1: these for Cherry Hills.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just want you to know I've
Speaker 2: sent I've probably had ten people ask me on Instagram
Speaker 2: over the over the months to send a picture of
Speaker 2: it because are so interested to send them a pick.
Speaker 1: It is sweet. We don't have it available for it
Speaker 1: for our consumers yet, but stay tuned watch this space.
Speaker 1: It is a super valuable tool. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, the tour players kind of have
Speaker 1: a sense for how much the wind's gonna affect their ball,
Speaker 1: but they but unless you're out here doing it all day,
Speaker 1: every day, it's hard to know exactly. You know. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people like, oh, it's a one
Speaker 1: club wind or a two club wind, well on tour.
Speaker 1: And this is what I've learned playing in the tour
Speaker 1: events I've played in, is that you it's better to
Speaker 1: play golf with like one number in mind. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play this shot one fifty six.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: So I do a lot of plays like calculations. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know I'm here at you know, sea level. It's
Speaker 1: the temperatures this the wind's hurting, it's quartering, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen miles an hour, and I'm gonna hit my flighted trajector.
Speaker 1: I do all these little calculations you can do quick,
Speaker 1: and it helped you figure out how to do this.
Speaker 1: When you play in the USAM in Denver when it
Speaker 1: was hot, right, the ball's gonna fly far up there
Speaker 1: in The wind effects it less, which is very interesting.
Speaker 1: When I've played golf in Denver, I make that wind
Speaker 1: sheet that you used, and the wind if you're playing
Speaker 1: in until like a fifteen mile an hour headwind, it
Speaker 1: impacts the ball literally half as much as at sea level.
Speaker 1: So the wind effects us based on the air density.
Speaker 1: So a lot of fun. But we will we are
Speaker 1: working on this. Hope to pass on this solution to
Speaker 1: the consumer soon.
Speaker 2: Hang close, Carl, We'll get that to you soon. All right,
Speaker 2: Jason said, what type of golfer does the E grind suit?
Speaker 1: Ooh, E grind? So the E grind is our I
Speaker 1: two grind right E stands for I two. It has
Speaker 1: the dish in the soul, which is really good at
Speaker 1: the pump, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, to look at I love messing around with that
Speaker 2: in Phoenix.
Speaker 1: Tons of character to it. And the big thing behind
Speaker 1: the E grind is like the neck the hazzle transition.
Speaker 1: So it looks like it has a lot of offset,
Speaker 1: but the hozzle tapers in it gets really sharp. And
Speaker 1: the secret to this, and you know, you got to
Speaker 1: give credit to Carston for working with the tour players
Speaker 1: back then on both the philosophy and then proving this out.
Speaker 1: Is that in the bunker, right when that club enters
Speaker 1: the sand, it acts like it has very very low bounce,
Speaker 1: like very sharp. So the club right when it enters
Speaker 1: the sand digs and it's very knifey. Right, It's like
Speaker 1: when you put your hand out the window and you're
Speaker 1: gonna turn it this way and this way and this
Speaker 1: way and this way, and you get that kind of
Speaker 1: sensation where the club's gonna go down in the sand
Speaker 1: and dig at the very beginning. But then instantaneously all
Speaker 1: that bounce on the trailing edge kicks in, and the
Speaker 1: dish and the soul affects the fluid flow of the
Speaker 1: sand going through the soul and kicks in. It helps
Speaker 1: you scoot the club forward through the sand. So you
Speaker 1: get this early dig lake glide, and it makes it
Speaker 1: the ultimate bunker club. So the e grind is great
Speaker 1: if you're looking for something that's going to be really
Speaker 1: good out of the bunker. Let's tell you play a
Speaker 1: golf course and you have a lot of bunker shots.
Speaker 1: The course is very protected by bunkers. You're in the
Speaker 1: bunker a lot. You need to have a lot of
Speaker 1: green side versatility the downside of the E grind, where
Speaker 1: it might not be as good for some players, which
Speaker 1: we have. We have some some players that have used
Speaker 1: the I TU for a long time. They don't hit
Speaker 1: a lot of full shots with it. Okay, if your
Speaker 1: priority is going to be green side performance, bunker performance,
Speaker 1: and in manipulating the face a lot, that's the e grind.
Speaker 1: Take a look at it.
Speaker 2: So it's it's more around the green. So, like you said,
Speaker 2: a lot of bunkers on the golf course, maybe not
Speaker 2: the longest golf course in the world. You maybe want
Speaker 2: to get it up and down, try to make birdie
Speaker 2: on par fives, or get it.
Speaker 3: Up and down the safe par exactly so you would you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like what you're saying is it
Speaker 2: could kind of go both ways. It could be a
Speaker 2: low handicapped player that again is trying to make birdies
Speaker 2: on the fives and get it up and down the
Speaker 2: safe par and also a high handicap player that's playing
Speaker 2: a golf course where they do have a lot of
Speaker 2: bunkers and they're going to be in a lot of bumk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a high handicap player is a good good
Speaker 1: use case. A high handicapped player sometimes is trying to
Speaker 1: figure out how to fill their bag right where they're
Speaker 1: they Maybe they don't they don't need fourteen clubs with
Speaker 1: all these types spacing because they don't hit it that far.
Speaker 1: But how do you supplement an adjunct those fourteen clubs?
Speaker 1: One is one is a chipper, it's a great option
Speaker 1: for short game performance. And two you might choose to
Speaker 1: play two sixty degrees or two fifty eight degrees, one
Speaker 1: that you're gonna use for full shots, basic chipping, and
Speaker 1: one that's the ultimate bunker club, the E grind. Then
Speaker 1: let's put say you're a better player and you're really
Speaker 1: good hitting. This is not me, but let's say you're
Speaker 1: really good at hitting your fifty six degree or your
Speaker 1: fifty four is approach shot from any yardage. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't. I have a hard time like dialing it down.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit my sixty when it comes to that.
Speaker 1: But that player can can use the e grind with
Speaker 1: great green side performance.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Interesting, you now you're gonna have two sixty degrees in
Speaker 2: your back to go along with all your other stuff.
Speaker 2: Slight dog Leg by the way, that's the username says.
Speaker 2: Why does ping offer so many counterbalance shaft options.
Speaker 3: And what is the benefit of those?
Speaker 1: Oh great question. Yeah, so we've done counterbalance shafts for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of in our name of our alta CBCB
Speaker 1: stands for counterbalance And the reason why we do it
Speaker 1: is because you can make the head heavier. So when
Speaker 1: you counterbalance the shaft and you don't change the headwight
Speaker 1: and you kind of close your eyes and feel the club,
Speaker 1: the club's going to feel lighter to you because the
Speaker 1: center of gravity of the whole system, the whole club
Speaker 1: moves closer to your hands, so it kind of tricks
Speaker 1: your hands and your feel to feel lighter. So then
Speaker 1: you can you can put weight back in the head
Speaker 1: to get it back to feeling like the normal swing weight. Well,
Speaker 1: the benefit now is that you can play a heavier head.
Speaker 1: A heavier head at the same shaft length is really
Speaker 1: good because a heavier head makes the driver more forgiving.
Speaker 1: It allows you to have more moment of inertia. In
Speaker 1: the design world, we're fighting for every one gram. So
Speaker 1: if you can give the designer one gram. They're having
Speaker 1: a good day. Okay, So we can make the heavier
Speaker 1: head to boost the inertia. That's number one. And number two,
Speaker 1: we can max better maximize the momentum and momentum is
Speaker 1: mass times velocity. That's that physics principle. So if you
Speaker 1: have more momentum, you can transfer more momentum to the ball.
Speaker 1: This is called impulse momentum in the physics world to
Speaker 1: get more ball speed. So you get this double whammy benefit,
Speaker 1: higher inertia and more ball speed. That's why counterbalance shafts
Speaker 1: are in our ecosystem and have kind of become popular
Speaker 1: in the aftermarket world.
Speaker 3: Marty.
Speaker 2: I would listen to you talk about almost everything in
Speaker 2: terms of technology.
Speaker 3: Very very well. So that was very interesting. There you go.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not getting something out of this,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing that. There you go
Speaker 2: a slight dog leg all right. Zach had a question
Speaker 2: about questions to ask during a fitting, and you know,
Speaker 2: I mean a fitting committiy. They can be driver gonna
Speaker 2: be putting. I kind of wanted to focus on iron,
Speaker 2: so questions maybe to ask as you're going through an
Speaker 2: iron fitting, as pain continues to introduce more and more
Speaker 2: sets of irons in their arsenal.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a great question, I think hopefully, and
Speaker 1: what we've been able to do on this podcast Chane
Speaker 1: is to give the consumers a lot of questions to
Speaker 1: go ask during the fitting and really empower them when
Speaker 1: it comes to an iron fitting. I think I think
Speaker 1: you need ask the fitter whether you know you need
Speaker 1: distance infusion or whether you the player bringing the speed.
Speaker 1: So that'll kind of put you into those buckets of
Speaker 1: kind of put you into two bucket. It puts you
Speaker 1: into two buckets. So that's number one. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, I think a big thing is are
Speaker 1: you generating enough spin with your irons? Right? So we
Speaker 1: use seven irons. Our AFS three D fitting club allows
Speaker 1: you to capture ball speed launching spin with your seven iron,
Speaker 1: whichever model you're going to hit, and you want that
Speaker 1: fitter to really understand are you generating enough spin? Are
Speaker 1: you getting and that's going to help you drive the
Speaker 1: peak height in the landing angle. Again, we have great
Speaker 1: tools in Pink Copilot which educate the fitter to understand
Speaker 1: that for your specific ball speed, are you generating enough spin?
Speaker 1: So you and I we can generate around seven thousand
Speaker 1: spin with our seven iron because we're faster ball speed,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people out there, consumers or fitters,
Speaker 1: might think, oh, everyone should be able to generate a
Speaker 1: thousand times the club number for spin or seven thousand
Speaker 1: years and iron. That is not the case. If you
Speaker 1: don't have the speed that we do, you might you
Speaker 1: might be generating five five hundred rpm spin and that's
Speaker 1: actually relatively high for your clubhead speed. So have the
Speaker 1: fitter tell you about the spin. Use our tools in
Speaker 1: ping co pilot, use our spin guide chart and determine
Speaker 1: am I generating enough spin. It's very easy to go
Speaker 1: into an iron fitting and and hit an iron and
Speaker 1: it's gonna go far. But the spin is too low.
Speaker 1: You might buy those irons. You're not gonna have the
Speaker 1: land angle, You're gonna have gaping issues, You're gonna not
Speaker 1: be able to stop it on the golf course. We
Speaker 1: hear it all the time on the podcast where you
Speaker 1: know our team here and our tour players are looking
Speaker 1: to get more spin on the irons. Right, So spin
Speaker 1: the irons enough and then where what is the longest
Speaker 1: iron I should play? That's the next question, and again
Speaker 1: we have some great tools a gapping app. If you
Speaker 1: put in our fitter puts in your ball speed, launching
Speaker 1: spin with your seven iron, you just say you're a
Speaker 1: FS three D. They help you understand your spin rate.
Speaker 1: You put that in and we'll be able to determine
Speaker 1: and give you a really good starting point. Should should
Speaker 1: the seven iron be the longest iron? Should you should play?
Speaker 1: Should it be the six, should be the five? Should
Speaker 1: it be the four? How to build that back? I
Speaker 1: think those are two key questions to ask when you
Speaker 1: go in for an iron fitting.
Speaker 2: I think, And to the question from Zach, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think something that's very important is asking, like you
Speaker 2: telling stuff to the fitterbsolutely, how do you hit shots
Speaker 2: the way you miss it? What do you not like
Speaker 2: to see misses? And the other thing I would say
Speaker 2: is to be honest to your golf game. I see
Speaker 2: so many people go get fit or talk about fittings.
Speaker 2: They're they're over swinging, they're swinging too hard. It's really
Speaker 2: being honest to the way you play golf when you're
Speaker 2: not around somebody, because again, anybody that sits there and
Speaker 2: hits golf balls in front of somebody with a computer
Speaker 2: next to them. It's gonna want to gain a couple
Speaker 2: more yards on their seven iron, But you've got to
Speaker 2: go take the clubs and play golf the way you
Speaker 2: typically play golf. So I think the key to fitting
Speaker 2: is to truly be honest to your own golf game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think a good tool for this if
Speaker 1: we see it a lot. We love this when customers
Speaker 1: come in and they have some stats tracking, So you know,
Speaker 1: folks will come.
Speaker 3: In arcos or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look what's happening in my arcos data. Check out
Speaker 1: what's happening over the last three months. Here, look at
Speaker 1: my mispercentage short with my irons, look at my left
Speaker 1: right bias, and you can just those are really good
Speaker 1: clues on a lingle issue, course, strategy issue, keeping the
Speaker 1: player honest. We see it on tour where we've interviewed
Speaker 1: players and they have statisticians feeding their practice plan of
Speaker 1: what they're going to do for the week or or
Speaker 1: our team will start. We'll look at the data, make
Speaker 1: a decision with their coach and their team on maybe
Speaker 1: an equipment change for a certain golf course or a
Speaker 1: tendency they're seeing in their games. So these tools are
Speaker 1: available to every day golfer. Use arcos, use another tool.
Speaker 1: Keep those stats even Let's say you're considering equipment three
Speaker 1: to six months out, get onboarded to a stats tracking
Speaker 1: app and that'll help keep you honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so track your numbers before you go get clubs.
Speaker 2: Now you'll have obviously a lot more information, all right.
Speaker 2: Last one from Josh. He said, if you play a
Speaker 2: spinning ball, will a helping win have a bigger impact
Speaker 2: on carry.
Speaker 1: Distance if you play a spinner ball.
Speaker 2: If you play a spinnall helping win have a bigger
Speaker 2: impact on carry.
Speaker 1: Yes, So a spinnier ball, which again we can we
Speaker 1: need to get into this nuance here. A spinner ball
Speaker 1: doesn't always fly higher. So this is the secret sauce
Speaker 1: of bal damic is that sometimes you can have a
Speaker 1: spinny ball. There's kind of a famous one out here
Speaker 1: on tour where it's very spinny initial flight, but then
Speaker 1: the players took it out in the course and it
Speaker 1: flew low. So it's really I think we can use
Speaker 1: spinny ball as a proxy for a high flying ball.
Speaker 1: So does a high flying ball, which is generally a
Speaker 1: spinnier ball, will do this more affected by the wind
Speaker 1: or have more helping it carry absolutely, and it will.
Speaker 1: It will both help the carry distance with the helping wind,
Speaker 1: but it will also hurt you more into the wind.
Speaker 1: This is why Shane I think you know I do this.
Speaker 1: I play a spinnier, higher flying ball down wind, and
Speaker 1: I play a lower flying ball into the wind. If
Speaker 1: you don't have the one ball real in effect, I
Speaker 1: highly recommend having a down windball and into the windball.
Speaker 3: Having a mixed thieves in the bag.
Speaker 2: Marty Jerson, I'm telling you, has thought of everything within
Speaker 2: his own golf. There's a reason you're extremely successful outsight
Speaker 2: obviously the deep talent.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. What are your thoughts
Speaker 3: on the Q and A pod? Do you like it?
Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean those questions are nuanced. I mean,
Speaker 1: is there's right from the people? Uh? And there were
Speaker 1: some good ones I think we should do is I
Speaker 1: think we should do more of this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll mix in a little bit of this obviously.
Speaker 2: You know we've done a great job of kind of integrating,
Speaker 2: you know, people to work at ping on the podcast
Speaker 2: and ping professionals on the podcast. I think every few
Speaker 2: months the Q and A is a good one because
Speaker 2: this is what I hear from people to listen to
Speaker 2: the pod is they have these types of questions and
Speaker 2: it's nice to dive into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super nuanced. I mean, obviously we're trying well, I
Speaker 1: think what we're trying to do around the podcast and
Speaker 1: make the complex simple. Yeah, you know, both for our
Speaker 1: consumers to understand what the options are. You know, now
Speaker 1: with adjust ability you can do things on your own.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are getting launch monitors at their house.
Speaker 1: How can we help them understand some changes? And then
Speaker 1: you know, I think that I love those questions of
Speaker 1: how should I prepare for? Which questions should I ask?
Speaker 1: Because this is a big investment. It's like a big
Speaker 1: investment to your game. Maybe you're only going out there
Speaker 1: to look at new irons every two or three, four
Speaker 1: years or so, how do you make the right decision?
Speaker 1: And there's some things you can do to prepare to
Speaker 1: help your fitter help you.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you have a kind of a
Speaker 2: question to follow up on any of this stuff on
Speaker 2: the podcast, you can always hit us up on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Dev Marty's good about answering questions there and I try
Speaker 2: to answer them as well, not like you'd ask me
Speaker 2: anything but Marty Jert's and always good diving deep, deep deep.
Speaker 3: Into the questions from listeners. This is the ping proven
Speaker 3: Grounds podcast.