1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:01,240 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 2: They've kind of showed me how much the equipment matters. 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot I 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 2: kind of want. 5 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 6 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds podcast. I'm Shane Bacon. 8 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 2: That is Marty Jerts, and we don't have a guest today. Marty, 9 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: you know what that means. 10 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: We get to deep dive on some technical stuff. 11 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: We got some q and a's. We sent a thing 12 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: out on social media and said, you know, if you 13 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: have questions for us about equipment or some of the 14 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: stuff we talked about on the podcast, answer, We'll do 15 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: it again in a few months, So keep an eye 16 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: out on socials for that. The first question that was 17 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: on Facebook from Brian I liked because I think you 18 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: and I are now in this camp together. 19 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 3: It says, I. 20 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: Don't know if it was talking about you, Marty. Play 21 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: two drivers, Please descript, Please describe the differences in the drivers. 22 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: We now play two drivers in our bag and I've 23 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: been doing it now for a couple of months. I'll 24 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: let you start on terms of the differences in your drivers. 25 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's pretty fun. I mean one is to 26 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: maximize distance for the most part. So it's forty five 27 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: and three quarters inches, and that's my gamer like you know, 28 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: full max sen driver. And then I was looking at 29 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: data Shane. I think we talked about on the pod 30 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: which which showed that for players who hit the ball 31 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: three hundred yards or further, you hit your three wood 32 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: off the tee on average about ninety percent of the time. 33 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: And for my own personal courses I played back home 34 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: in Arizona, it's even a little bit higher, like ninety 35 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: five percent of the time I hit off the t 36 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: So I built a twelve degree G four to thirty max. 37 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: Put it in the is your first one? 38 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: Is your first one a ten k? 39 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: It's ten k your gamer's a ten ten K ten 40 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: point five in the big minus keeps the face a 41 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: little bit open, built to maximize distance. Then you know, 42 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: we're kind of calling this the Thriver three wood driver 43 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: like that. So twelve degree max in the flat dot 44 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: position tour two point zero blacks seventy five x yeah, 45 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: forty three inches, OK. And I just it's not built 46 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: to maximize distance. It's because I hit it off the 47 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: t I t at really low and just kind of 48 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: chip it down there in It's kind of like an 49 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: anti anxiety club for me. We built yours pretty similar. 50 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: Almost the exact same. I mean, I was gonna say 51 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: forty three. It's twelve degrees. 52 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: I love it. 53 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: It's funny with the club I play in Connecticut. The 54 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: first part part five you play, you kind of send 55 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,839 Speaker 2: it over the trees and if you have to get 56 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: one to be able to go for in two because 57 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: there's water short of the green. First time I had 58 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: this second driver that would you call it the Thriver Drivers. 59 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: The first time I had the Thriver in the bag, 60 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: I hit a good one over the trees, but it's 61 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: a downhill lie, so the balls kind of sitting sitting 62 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: kind of. 63 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: Above your feet. 64 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: You're kind of below it. 65 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: Yep. 66 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: And I pulled the twelve degree out. I was like, 67 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: let's just see, let's see if I can hit this shot, 68 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: which is tough. And I hit a good shot and 69 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: hit it one of the green side bunkers and got 70 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: it up and down for Birdie, And I told myself, 71 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: if you can hit it here, you could kind of 72 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: hit it anywhere. And it's a it's such a great club. 73 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: You can tee it lowep and kind of squeeze it 74 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: out there. I've also heard it that I can hit it. 75 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: I can tee it a little higher and it promotes 76 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: my draw absolutely, which I don't love hitting, so it's 77 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 2: an easier club for me to draw. 78 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: Yes, totally. So yeah, you can use it. It just 79 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: has a lot of diversity to it. I think the 80 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: fun thing for the listener to tease out from this 81 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: is that your priority in your bag should be built 82 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: based on how you know how far you hit it. 83 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: This is one of those really cool insights from big data, 84 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: because without big data, we couldn't have answered this question. 85 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: And so I think it's something it's not for. It's 86 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: not if you don't drive the ball let's say two 87 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: seventy or further, it's probably not the right thing to 88 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: consider because you need to hit your three wood off 89 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: the ground a lot, whether it's a long part three 90 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: second shine to part four, second shine to part five. 91 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: But the longer you hit it, the less you should 92 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: prioritize three with off the ground because part fives I'm 93 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: hitting you know, three iron in four long irons in 94 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: things of that nature and I have a lot of 95 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: T balls. I need to hit that like two seventy five, 96 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: two eighty where my a big driver, the dispersion is 97 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: going to be a lot tighter than playing the three 98 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,119 Speaker 1: wood in that scenario. 99 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: I heard players of the Masters that were putting in 100 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 2: a second drive around because again some of the whole 101 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: squeeze in at three fifty three twenty. So you're seeing 102 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: even tour guys do this as well. I think this 103 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: is gonna be the next thing you think about. The 104 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: iteration through the bag. Seven wood was hot a couple 105 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: of years ago, and I know a lot of players 106 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: are still playing at the driving iron was really hot 107 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: a few years ago. It feels like the thriver, if 108 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: you will is thing. 109 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely out here on tour. It's kind of like, uh, 110 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: you know you can you can swap it out like Augusta. 111 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: There's literally probably no three wood shots, right, you know, 112 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: like a two if you get it down there, you're 113 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: gonna hit an iron or something. 114 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 3: Kind of the only spot ten t but maybe you can. 115 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: That's the one where you can take the thriver and 116 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: you get a little draw spin on you. 117 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: You need to like, you need to really like get 118 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 2: that dialed in to your repertoire. 119 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. 120 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: That's the two drivers, and again just something to play with. 121 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I love the added loft. If I'm not 122 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: driving a grade, I'll use it off the tee, even 123 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: on holes I typically go with the gamers. So yeah, 124 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: it's versatile and I love that. Cameron on X we. 125 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 3: Call it ex or Twitter. Yeah, it X former do it. 126 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: Cameron said, how does ping help people identify what swingweight 127 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: is best for them? 128 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I mean it's very fun at 129 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: ping because all of our clubs have, you know, either 130 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: CTP weights or CG shifters. We do custom weighting, so 131 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: we have the ability that allows us to accommodate different 132 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: shafts and lengths, but it also helps us fit for 133 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: the right swingwaight. So a good general rule of thumb 134 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: is a heavier swingweight is going to for the right 135 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: handed golfer promote a more open face to path or 136 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: a little right bias right. So let's say in a driver, 137 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: you got the CG shifter that can move the left 138 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: right a lot like it will change it like ten yards. 139 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: But if you go a couple swingweight points heavier, that 140 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: can bias your left right dispersion, say three or four 141 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: yards more to the right, or a good way to 142 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: think about is eliminate the left side a little bit, 143 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: so it's gonna change your face to path. You can 144 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: use to change that. Now you want to be a 145 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: little bit careful going too far. You don't want to 146 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: go like super light swingweight or super heavy because the 147 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: other impact it has it changes your face to path. Well, 148 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: it also changes your low point consistency. So if you 149 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: get a little too light in the irons, it can 150 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: help you turn it over, but you might be a 151 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: little erratic in finding the ground. You might thin one, 152 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: you might fat one, things of that nature. So there's 153 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: a little iterative process there. And say irons where your 154 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: your low point control is more important than a driver. 155 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: A driver of optimizing the swing weight to produce a 156 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: very consistent low point, right, very consistent low point. And 157 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: then we can use that a little bit to eliminate 158 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: a pull or a fade and kind of dial that in. 159 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: But swing weight should be used is a lever not 160 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: as big as say the lying goal or the CG shifter. 161 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: It's important to keep that in mind, so you don't 162 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: want to use swing weight as the first thing to 163 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: go to to tweak your left right dispersion. 164 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: Are you are you married to a swing weight? So 165 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: like if you're like, what are you do? You know 166 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: what you are? 167 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, my irons are D three. I'm playing them a 168 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: little bit heavier now, partly because I want to eliminate 169 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: that left miss with some technique changes in my driver's 170 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: D six, which is also pretty So if you switched 171 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: irons or you transition to another set irons with that change, yes, okay, yeah, 172 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: so it would Now if I go hit irons that 173 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: are D one or D two, now I will pull them, 174 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: even with the same specs, same line goal, same shaft, 175 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I'll pull them, and I'll be a little erratic in 176 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: my low point. Interesting, Yeah, so it won't find the 177 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: centerness of contact a little bit. But you know, I 178 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: think the big thing with swing weight is is don't 179 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: go too far, like a couple points here and there. 180 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: It's not one of those things you want to go 181 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: erratically heavy or erratically light in some of that nature. Now, 182 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: the other way to use swing weight in a driver 183 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: is there's an optimal headweight, okay, and swing weight is 184 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: the you know, the swing weight is kind of the 185 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: proxy for that which maximizes distance for an individual golfer. 186 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: So that's something else to play with. Some of our 187 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: fitters out there have these swingweight kits and they can 188 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: go play around with and try a driver at D 189 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: three and D five. Again, it's a lever to kind 190 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: of fine tune your left right, but be careful with 191 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: it with low point control on your irons. 192 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about the driver in terms 193 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: of this because you know, you and I talk a 194 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: lot about fitting and getting fit for the right club, 195 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: and you think about loft being an option, you think 196 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: about shaft, you think about length in terms of the driver. 197 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: I know you talk a lot about that in swing 198 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: weight as well as swingweight down the list in terms 199 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: of things people should be thinking about when they're trying 200 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: to tweak their gamer. 201 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it is. I think a good way is, like, 202 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: let's say somebody's between you put the CG shifter on 203 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: the driver in the draw and you're overdrawing it, or 204 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: you have that little miss to the left. You put 205 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: it back in the in the neutral and it's kind 206 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: of a little right bias. Well, what's your option? You 207 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: can play around with the sleeve to kind of dial 208 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: that in, Or you can play around with the swingweight 209 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: and just bias the swing weight a little bit and 210 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: it's totally fine. Let's say you get fit with a 211 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: driver our stocks D three and you're like, oh, I 212 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: just want to barely eliminate that left miss. Just order 213 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: the driver at D four. It's one of those things 214 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: you can just use to kind of hedge a miss tendency. 215 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 3: Interesting. 216 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 2: See, I mean there's just so many options, it's crazy. 217 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: Thomas said, can you go through the different settings on 218 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: the driver loft sleeve and their effects on ball flight? 219 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: So US amters can use that to our advantage. 220 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: Oh I love that question. So yeah, trajectory tuning sleeve. 221 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: We have eight positions the drivers out in the in 222 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: the stores, and in most settings they're going to come 223 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: in our default position, which has a dot to it. 224 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: We call it the dot position. And then we have 225 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: a small minus in a big minus, and then or 226 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: a small minus in a big minus, a small plus 227 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: in a big plus. Those the small plus is going 228 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: to add one degree of loft. 229 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: And by the way, just so people that are listening, 230 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: when you unscrew the driver and you take it off 231 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: it tells you this on the sleeve. Yes, so outside 232 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: of just the dots and the pluses the minuses, it'll 233 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 2: actually tell you once you take it off what it's 234 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: actually doing lostwise. 235 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: Yes, and we did that on purpose, so you can see. Okay, 236 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: this is how much the loft is changing. So we 237 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: have five marked positions. Then we actually have three. It's 238 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: kind of like going to in and out. You know 239 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: the secret menu get animal style pain. Yeah, you get 240 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: the secret menus. So we have three secret menu options 241 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: we'll talk about. But we have a a small minus 242 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: and a big minus, and that changed the loft by 243 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: one degree and one point five. Now this is important 244 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: because you can use loft to change your launch and spin. 245 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: So if you go down, for every one degree you 246 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: change your driver loft, you will tweak your launch by 247 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: about zero point six degrees. Okay, so it's not one 248 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: to one, it's about six tenths and you change your 249 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: spin by about two hundred and fifty RPMs. So this 250 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: is a really good way. Let's say in the old days, 251 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: before the sleeve, you'd either have to go from a 252 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: nine to ten point five, right, your optimal could be 253 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: right in between and you're stuck. Now it's a way 254 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: to get super dialed with your launch conditions to unlock distance. 255 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: So or you can use the big plus and the 256 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: big minus position. Those change the the loft by plus 257 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: or minus one point five degrees. Now if you go 258 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: to the secret menu option shamee those. We have a 259 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: flat dot position and that changes the sleeve from the 260 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: more upright position and it goes we have a one 261 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: point five degrees of tilt, but you use flip at 262 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: all all the way around and you go three degrees flat. 263 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: So we have a flat dot position. This is like 264 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: what I play my Thriver and I think we build 265 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: years also, and that'll make the That'll make the driver 266 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: three degrees flatter, which can slightly open the face. It 267 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: can change centeredness of contact for a player look a 268 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: little bit different if you're playing a longer length. This 269 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: is a great option. We've had some players do that 270 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: on tour. They're playing at forty six inch drivers go 271 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: in the flat dot position. So it's a great option 272 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: to kind of tune your centeredness of contact and tweak 273 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: your left right bias to go in those flatter positions. 274 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: So we have a flat dot. Then we have a 275 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 1: secret menu, small minus, secret menu big minus, which are 276 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: one degree stronger and weaker, also about two and a half, 277 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: about two degrees flatter. 278 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: Is there like a chart online or anything people could 279 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: dive into that tell you all this stuff? 280 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? 281 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely. On our website you can see all the positions, 282 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: and then our fitters out there in ping Co Pilot 283 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: we have all kinds of charts which show all the 284 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: different positions. 285 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: Well, by the way, well, we'll tweet that out when 286 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: the episode comes out of well, so you have an 287 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: idea that all right, So we're moving from X to Instagram. 288 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: Most comments on Instagram not worthy of putting on the podcast. 289 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: These are the good ones that we pulled. 290 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: By the way, this says approach to blended iron sets, 291 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: where to consider the transition point and how to mix 292 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: precision and distance models. So basically, when you're blending the 293 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: iron set, when do you go from blueprint beyond or 294 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: when do you kind of mix the blueprints? 295 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: Like how do you do that? 296 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think a good way to think about our 297 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: iron models is you have they we have the models 298 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: that you the player bring the distance to the table. 299 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: This is I two thirty blueprint s blueprint t right right, 300 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: And then we have some great, really cool tools to 301 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: be able to figure out where you blend those because 302 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: two thirty goes higher Blueprint T, Blueprint S goes kind 303 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: of medium height, Blueprint T goes a little bit lower. 304 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: So we have some great tools in ping co Pilot 305 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: which can set, which can look at your land angle, 306 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: and we have some really cool algorithms in there that 307 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: are kind of vetted by how our tour players lend 308 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: their sets. Okay, and it says, okay, let's look at 309 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: the land angle, and when the land angle starts to 310 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: get a little shallow for that player's clubhead speed, let's 311 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: bump them up with an iron model, you know, with 312 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: their If they're in Blueprint T, we'll go to blueprint S. 313 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: If they're in blueprint S, we'll go to I two thirty. 314 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: That's a great way to blend our precision irons. But 315 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: then we have distance irons, and a good one to 316 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: blend over there is like our I five thirty right, 317 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: that's where the clubhead is built more like a metal wood. 318 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: The face flex is more you're gonna get more ball speed, 319 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: more distance out of it. I think a good way 320 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: is where you're iron your your gapping starts to bunch. 321 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: And again we have some great predictive algorithms in Pink 322 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: Copilot which can help determine when where that happens exactly. 323 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: But let's say you're a player. You you get your 324 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: set and you you start to hit your five iron 325 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: and your six iron or your four iron and your 326 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: five iron too close together from a carry distance standpoint, 327 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: that's where it's time to start looking at a set 328 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: that infuses more distance, whether that's I five thirty G 329 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: four to thirty G seven thirty. 330 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 2: Didn't saw hit the Goala not too long ago. He 331 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 2: had two three irons in the bag or two four 332 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: irons in the back right, But they were just different 333 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: sets absolutely, So they obviously fluid flew different they they 334 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: they had different trajectory stuff like that. 335 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I personally do that. I play an I 336 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: five thirty four iron that is stronger lofted. Obviously we 337 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: have a different loft configure. It's just built more like 338 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: a crossover with our with our two or two point 339 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: zero shaft in it, and I play it. Then I 340 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: play an Eye or a Blueprint S four iron. Okay, 341 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: so I play two four irons, but my I five thirty. 342 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: It's I mean, this may sound crazy. It's my two 343 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: fifty club. I fly at two foot okay, yeah, but 344 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: my my blueprint SS I fly to thirty two thirty 345 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: two at stock. 346 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: How many players, I mean, I know you don't know 347 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: the exact number, but how many tour players now do 348 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: you feel like play blended iron sets? Do you think 349 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: it's sixty seventy percent? 350 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in our in our blueprints, I think 351 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, Austin Ekro is a good example there, blueprint 352 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: T all the way down through the fore iron. They 353 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: switched to blueprint S three iron. So and then we 354 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: have other players that switch in the six seven iron. 355 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: You know this. I played the blueprint, uh, and the 356 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: pitching wedge only I like that waller pitching wedge. I 357 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: like the turf interaction a little knifeier, right, And that's 358 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: where I like, Especially in Arizona, it's kind of firm 359 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: conditions in the springtime, so you can you have some players, 360 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm on one end, I split it barely, 361 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: you know, one one club over there. Uh, And then 362 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: you have others that are splitting it like at the 363 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: three iron, and then some split at six and seven 364 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: so blueprint in I two thirty they we built those 365 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: two be blended. 366 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what I have. I have the 367 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: I two thirty four iron and then have blueprint ass 368 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 2: you know the rest of the way. So I mean 369 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 2: I'm I'm in that category for sure. 370 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. And we and we we can figure the lofts 371 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: so they're the same amongst all those sets. So you 372 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: get trajectory differences built based on the face structure design. 373 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: And then our blueprint t's are also by standard, they're 374 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: a little bit shorter length, which is more PGA two 375 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: or average in terms of the lengths, and that gives 376 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: a little lower trajectory as well. 377 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: So you've got two drivers, three sets of irons in 378 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: your bag, is that right? 379 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Yes, three sets of ice. 380 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: I mean like I would love, I would love to 381 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: talk to a random Paddy to get your bag at 382 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: a club and they're going four iron going on here. 383 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: So I mean, just real quick, just to kind of 384 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: answer the question, you feel like the transition points are 385 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: either at the three and four or a lot of 386 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: the time around that six or seven iron. 387 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh yes, I mean, well it's it's highly varied. 388 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: It's highly varied on the PGA tour between Blueprint S, 389 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: Blueprint T and and I two thirty. But I think 390 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: to answer the question that that came in is when 391 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: when when do you transition to a uh maybe from 392 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: a to a forgiveness set. And our forgiveness sets are 393 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: generally those that are also going to infuse more distance, 394 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: and it's going to be where you're you're you start 395 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: to eat that bunching, where you start to get that bunching, 396 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: but you don't want to transition to a high lofted 397 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: fairy wood or hybrid. Again, I'm going to defer to 398 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: Pink co Pilot because we have this great tool called 399 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: the gapping app in there. Go ask your fitter to 400 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: put you on it, and that can help you decode 401 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: where exactly. 402 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: You should do that smart stuff there for Marty. All right, 403 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: Carl says, you spoke on an early episode about all 404 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: Namic being able to do a yardage card. Is it 405 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: available to the public yet? This is something I used 406 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: at the USA World. 407 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, No, we we've made Shane one of 408 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: these for Cherry Hills. 409 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 2: By the way, I just want you to know I've 410 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: sent I've probably had ten people ask me on Instagram 411 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 2: over the over the months to send a picture of 412 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: it because are so interested to send them a pick. 413 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: It is sweet. We don't have it available for it 414 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: for our consumers yet, but stay tuned watch this space. 415 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: It is a super valuable tool. I mean, I think 416 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, the tour players kind of have 417 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: a sense for how much the wind's gonna affect their ball, 418 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: but they but unless you're out here doing it all day, 419 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: every day, it's hard to know exactly. You know. I 420 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: think a lot of people like, oh, it's a one 421 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: club wind or a two club wind, well on tour. 422 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: And this is what I've learned playing in the tour 423 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: events I've played in, is that you it's better to 424 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: play golf with like one number in mind. I'm gonna 425 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: play this shot one fifty six. 426 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: Okay. 427 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: So I do a lot of plays like calculations. Okay, 428 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: you know I'm here at you know, sea level. It's 429 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: the temperatures this the wind's hurting, it's quartering, you know, 430 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: fifteen miles an hour, and I'm gonna hit my flighted trajector. 431 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: I do all these little calculations you can do quick, 432 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: and it helped you figure out how to do this. 433 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,959 Speaker 1: When you play in the USAM in Denver when it 434 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: was hot, right, the ball's gonna fly far up there 435 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: in The wind effects it less, which is very interesting. 436 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: When I've played golf in Denver, I make that wind 437 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: sheet that you used, and the wind if you're playing 438 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: in until like a fifteen mile an hour headwind, it 439 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: impacts the ball literally half as much as at sea level. 440 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: So the wind effects us based on the air density. 441 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: So a lot of fun. But we will we are 442 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: working on this. Hope to pass on this solution to 443 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: the consumer soon. 444 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: Hang close, Carl, We'll get that to you soon. All right, 445 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: Jason said, what type of golfer does the E grind suit? 446 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: Ooh, E grind? So the E grind is our I 447 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: two grind right E stands for I two. It has 448 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: the dish in the soul, which is really good at 449 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: the pump, by the. 450 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: Way, to look at I love messing around with that 451 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: in Phoenix. 452 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: Tons of character to it. And the big thing behind 453 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: the E grind is like the neck the hazzle transition. 454 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: So it looks like it has a lot of offset, 455 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: but the hozzle tapers in it gets really sharp. And 456 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: the secret to this, and you know, you got to 457 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 1: give credit to Carston for working with the tour players 458 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: back then on both the philosophy and then proving this out. 459 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: Is that in the bunker, right when that club enters 460 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: the sand, it acts like it has very very low bounce, 461 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: like very sharp. So the club right when it enters 462 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: the sand digs and it's very knifey. Right, It's like 463 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: when you put your hand out the window and you're 464 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: gonna turn it this way and this way and this 465 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: way and this way, and you get that kind of 466 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: sensation where the club's gonna go down in the sand 467 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: and dig at the very beginning. But then instantaneously all 468 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: that bounce on the trailing edge kicks in, and the 469 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: dish and the soul affects the fluid flow of the 470 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: sand going through the soul and kicks in. It helps 471 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: you scoot the club forward through the sand. So you 472 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: get this early dig lake glide, and it makes it 473 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: the ultimate bunker club. So the e grind is great 474 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: if you're looking for something that's going to be really 475 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: good out of the bunker. Let's tell you play a 476 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: golf course and you have a lot of bunker shots. 477 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: The course is very protected by bunkers. You're in the 478 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: bunker a lot. You need to have a lot of 479 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: green side versatility the downside of the E grind, where 480 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: it might not be as good for some players, which 481 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: we have. We have some some players that have used 482 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: the I TU for a long time. They don't hit 483 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: a lot of full shots with it. Okay, if your 484 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: priority is going to be green side performance, bunker performance, 485 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: and in manipulating the face a lot, that's the e grind. 486 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: Take a look at it. 487 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: So it's it's more around the green. So, like you said, 488 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: a lot of bunkers on the golf course, maybe not 489 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: the longest golf course in the world. You maybe want 490 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: to get it up and down, try to make birdie 491 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 2: on par fives, or get it. 492 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 3: Up and down the safe par exactly so you would you. 493 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds like what you're saying is it 494 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: could kind of go both ways. It could be a 495 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: low handicapped player that again is trying to make birdies 496 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: on the fives and get it up and down the 497 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: safe par and also a high handicap player that's playing 498 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: a golf course where they do have a lot of 499 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: bunkers and they're going to be in a lot of bumk. 500 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so a high handicap player is a good good 501 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: use case. A high handicapped player sometimes is trying to 502 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: figure out how to fill their bag right where they're 503 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: they Maybe they don't they don't need fourteen clubs with 504 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: all these types spacing because they don't hit it that far. 505 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: But how do you supplement an adjunct those fourteen clubs? 506 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: One is one is a chipper, it's a great option 507 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: for short game performance. And two you might choose to 508 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: play two sixty degrees or two fifty eight degrees, one 509 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: that you're gonna use for full shots, basic chipping, and 510 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: one that's the ultimate bunker club, the E grind. Then 511 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: let's put say you're a better player and you're really 512 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: good hitting. This is not me, but let's say you're 513 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: really good at hitting your fifty six degree or your 514 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: fifty four is approach shot from any yardage. I mean, 515 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: I can't. I have a hard time like dialing it down. 516 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit my sixty when it comes to that. 517 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: But that player can can use the e grind with 518 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: great green side performance. 519 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: Interesting. 520 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: Interesting, you now you're gonna have two sixty degrees in 521 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 2: your back to go along with all your other stuff. 522 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: Slight dog Leg by the way, that's the username says. 523 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: Why does ping offer so many counterbalance shaft options. 524 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: And what is the benefit of those? 525 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: Oh great question. Yeah, so we've done counterbalance shafts for 526 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: a long time. 527 00:21:59,440 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 3: You know. 528 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: It's kind of in our name of our alta CBCB 529 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: stands for counterbalance And the reason why we do it 530 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: is because you can make the head heavier. So when 531 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: you counterbalance the shaft and you don't change the headwight 532 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: and you kind of close your eyes and feel the club, 533 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: the club's going to feel lighter to you because the 534 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: center of gravity of the whole system, the whole club 535 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: moves closer to your hands, so it kind of tricks 536 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: your hands and your feel to feel lighter. So then 537 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: you can you can put weight back in the head 538 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: to get it back to feeling like the normal swing weight. Well, 539 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: the benefit now is that you can play a heavier head. 540 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: A heavier head at the same shaft length is really 541 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: good because a heavier head makes the driver more forgiving. 542 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: It allows you to have more moment of inertia. In 543 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 1: the design world, we're fighting for every one gram. So 544 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: if you can give the designer one gram. They're having 545 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: a good day. Okay, So we can make the heavier 546 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: head to boost the inertia. That's number one. And number two, 547 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: we can max better maximize the momentum and momentum is 548 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: mass times velocity. That's that physics principle. So if you 549 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: have more momentum, you can transfer more momentum to the ball. 550 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: This is called impulse momentum in the physics world to 551 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: get more ball speed. So you get this double whammy benefit, 552 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: higher inertia and more ball speed. That's why counterbalance shafts 553 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: are in our ecosystem and have kind of become popular 554 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: in the aftermarket world. 555 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 3: Marty. 556 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 2: I would listen to you talk about almost everything in 557 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 2: terms of technology. 558 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: Very very well. So that was very interesting. There you go. 559 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're not getting something out of this, 560 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing that. There you go 561 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: a slight dog leg all right. Zach had a question 562 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: about questions to ask during a fitting, and you know, 563 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: I mean a fitting committiy. They can be driver gonna 564 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: be putting. I kind of wanted to focus on iron, 565 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 2: so questions maybe to ask as you're going through an 566 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: iron fitting, as pain continues to introduce more and more 567 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: sets of irons in their arsenal. 568 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a great question, I think hopefully, and 569 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: what we've been able to do on this podcast Chane 570 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: is to give the consumers a lot of questions to 571 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: go ask during the fitting and really empower them when 572 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: it comes to an iron fitting. I think I think 573 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: you need ask the fitter whether you know you need 574 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: distance infusion or whether you the player bringing the speed. 575 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: So that'll kind of put you into those buckets of 576 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: kind of put you into two bucket. It puts you 577 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: into two buckets. So that's number one. And then on 578 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: top of that, I think a big thing is are 579 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: you generating enough spin with your irons? Right? So we 580 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: use seven irons. Our AFS three D fitting club allows 581 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: you to capture ball speed launching spin with your seven iron, 582 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: whichever model you're going to hit, and you want that 583 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: fitter to really understand are you generating enough spin? Are 584 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: you getting and that's going to help you drive the 585 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: peak height in the landing angle. Again, we have great 586 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: tools in Pink Copilot which educate the fitter to understand 587 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: that for your specific ball speed, are you generating enough spin? 588 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: So you and I we can generate around seven thousand 589 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: spin with our seven iron because we're faster ball speed, 590 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: and a lot of people out there, consumers or fitters, 591 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: might think, oh, everyone should be able to generate a 592 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: thousand times the club number for spin or seven thousand 593 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: years and iron. That is not the case. If you 594 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: don't have the speed that we do, you might you 595 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: might be generating five five hundred rpm spin and that's 596 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: actually relatively high for your clubhead speed. So have the 597 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: fitter tell you about the spin. Use our tools in 598 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: ping co pilot, use our spin guide chart and determine 599 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: am I generating enough spin. It's very easy to go 600 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: into an iron fitting and and hit an iron and 601 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna go far. But the spin is too low. 602 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: You might buy those irons. You're not gonna have the 603 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: land angle, You're gonna have gaping issues, You're gonna not 604 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: be able to stop it on the golf course. We 605 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: hear it all the time on the podcast where you 606 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: know our team here and our tour players are looking 607 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: to get more spin on the irons. Right, So spin 608 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: the irons enough and then where what is the longest 609 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: iron I should play? That's the next question, and again 610 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: we have some great tools a gapping app. If you 611 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: put in our fitter puts in your ball speed, launching 612 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: spin with your seven iron, you just say you're a 613 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: FS three D. They help you understand your spin rate. 614 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: You put that in and we'll be able to determine 615 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: and give you a really good starting point. Should should 616 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: the seven iron be the longest iron? Should you should play? 617 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: Should it be the six, should be the five? Should 618 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: it be the four? How to build that back? I 619 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: think those are two key questions to ask when you 620 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: go in for an iron fitting. 621 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 2: I think, And to the question from Zach, I mean, 622 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: I think something that's very important is asking, like you 623 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,479 Speaker 2: telling stuff to the fitterbsolutely, how do you hit shots 624 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: the way you miss it? What do you not like 625 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: to see misses? And the other thing I would say 626 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: is to be honest to your golf game. I see 627 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: so many people go get fit or talk about fittings. 628 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: They're they're over swinging, they're swinging too hard. It's really 629 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 2: being honest to the way you play golf when you're 630 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 2: not around somebody, because again, anybody that sits there and 631 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 2: hits golf balls in front of somebody with a computer 632 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: next to them. It's gonna want to gain a couple 633 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: more yards on their seven iron, But you've got to 634 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 2: go take the clubs and play golf the way you 635 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 2: typically play golf. So I think the key to fitting 636 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: is to truly be honest to your own golf game. 637 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think a good tool for this if 638 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: we see it a lot. We love this when customers 639 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: come in and they have some stats tracking, So you know, 640 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: folks will come. 641 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: In arcos or something like that. 642 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, look what's happening in my arcos data. Check out 643 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: what's happening over the last three months. Here, look at 644 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: my mispercentage short with my irons, look at my left 645 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: right bias, and you can just those are really good 646 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: clues on a lingle issue, course, strategy issue, keeping the 647 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: player honest. We see it on tour where we've interviewed 648 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: players and they have statisticians feeding their practice plan of 649 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: what they're going to do for the week or or 650 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: our team will start. We'll look at the data, make 651 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: a decision with their coach and their team on maybe 652 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: an equipment change for a certain golf course or a 653 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: tendency they're seeing in their games. So these tools are 654 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: available to every day golfer. Use arcos, use another tool. 655 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: Keep those stats even Let's say you're considering equipment three 656 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: to six months out, get onboarded to a stats tracking 657 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: app and that'll help keep you honest. 658 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so track your numbers before you go get clubs. 659 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: Now you'll have obviously a lot more information, all right. 660 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: Last one from Josh. He said, if you play a 661 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 2: spinning ball, will a helping win have a bigger impact 662 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 2: on carry. 663 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: Distance if you play a spinner ball. 664 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: If you play a spinnall helping win have a bigger 665 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: impact on carry. 666 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: Yes, So a spinnier ball, which again we can we 667 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: need to get into this nuance here. A spinner ball 668 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: doesn't always fly higher. So this is the secret sauce 669 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: of bal damic is that sometimes you can have a 670 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: spinny ball. There's kind of a famous one out here 671 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: on tour where it's very spinny initial flight, but then 672 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: the players took it out in the course and it 673 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: flew low. So it's really I think we can use 674 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: spinny ball as a proxy for a high flying ball. 675 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: So does a high flying ball, which is generally a 676 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: spinnier ball, will do this more affected by the wind 677 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: or have more helping it carry absolutely, and it will. 678 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: It will both help the carry distance with the helping wind, 679 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: but it will also hurt you more into the wind. 680 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: This is why Shane I think you know I do this. 681 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: I play a spinnier, higher flying ball down wind, and 682 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: I play a lower flying ball into the wind. If 683 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: you don't have the one ball real in effect, I 684 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: highly recommend having a down windball and into the windball. 685 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: Having a mixed thieves in the bag. 686 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: Marty Jerson, I'm telling you, has thought of everything within 687 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: his own golf. There's a reason you're extremely successful outsight 688 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: obviously the deep talent. 689 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. What are your thoughts 690 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: on the Q and A pod? Do you like it? 691 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: I loved it. I mean those questions are nuanced. I mean, 692 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: is there's right from the people? Uh? And there were 693 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: some good ones I think we should do is I 694 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: think we should do more of this? 695 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll mix in a little bit of this obviously. 696 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: You know we've done a great job of kind of integrating, 697 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: you know, people to work at ping on the podcast 698 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 2: and ping professionals on the podcast. I think every few 699 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 2: months the Q and A is a good one because 700 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: this is what I hear from people to listen to 701 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: the pod is they have these types of questions and 702 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: it's nice to dive into it. 703 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, super nuanced. I mean, obviously we're trying well, I 704 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: think what we're trying to do around the podcast and 705 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: make the complex simple. Yeah, you know, both for our 706 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: consumers to understand what the options are. You know, now 707 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: with adjust ability you can do things on your own. 708 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: A lot of people are getting launch monitors at their house. 709 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: How can we help them understand some changes? And then 710 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think that I love those questions of 711 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: how should I prepare for? Which questions should I ask? 712 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: Because this is a big investment. It's like a big 713 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: investment to your game. Maybe you're only going out there 714 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: to look at new irons every two or three, four 715 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: years or so, how do you make the right decision? 716 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 1: And there's some things you can do to prepare to 717 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: help your fitter help you. 718 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: By the way, if you have a kind of a 719 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 2: question to follow up on any of this stuff on 720 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 2: the podcast, you can always hit us up on Twitter. 721 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 2: Dev Marty's good about answering questions there and I try 722 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: to answer them as well, not like you'd ask me 723 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: anything but Marty Jert's and always good diving deep, deep deep. 724 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: Into the questions from listeners. This is the ping proven 725 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 3: Grounds podcast.