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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics and I heart

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Speaker 2: podcasts and unbothered production.

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Speaker 1: Time to get spolitical.

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Speaker 2: I came across a couple of interesting facts about Auburn's

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Speaker 2: men's basketball team that I like to share with everybody,

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Speaker 2: and I think these stats are a big reason Auburn

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Speaker 2: is playing in the Final Four for just the second

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Speaker 2: time in school history.

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Speaker 1: Now, piak this, the average.

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Speaker 2: Age of their starting five is twenty three point two

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Speaker 2: years old. And just so you understand what that means,

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Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City Thunder, the number one seed in the

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Speaker 2: Western Conference. The average age for their team is twenty

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Speaker 2: four point four, so just one point two years older

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Speaker 2: than Auburn's. Now, Auburn's starters collectively have twenty two seasons

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Speaker 2: of college experience. Jan I Broome, Auburn's best player, transferred

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Speaker 2: to Auburn after two years at more Head Stake. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of Janni Broom, I know I'm not the only one

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Speaker 2: who thinks that.

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Speaker 1: Guy is a dead ringer for Carlos Boozer.

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Speaker 2: Surely it's not just me If somebody later discovers that

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Speaker 2: Boozer went to Turkey and got himself a new hairline

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Speaker 2: forced a new identity to play ball at Auburn.

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Speaker 1: I would absolutely believe it.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Jani Broom is twenty two years old, a

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Speaker 2: grown ass man dog, but he's far from the oldest

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Speaker 2: player on his team. That would be Chad Baker Mazara,

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Speaker 2: Auburn's second leading scorer.

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Speaker 1: My guy is twenty five years old.

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Speaker 2: Homiekn rent a car without having to pay for additional insurance,

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Speaker 2: and Auburn is the fourth college that he's played at.

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Speaker 2: There are hella old dudes now playing college basketball.

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Speaker 1: It's the new look now.

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Speaker 2: Ten years ago, there wasn't a single player in the

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Speaker 2: mazar wasn't even the oldest player in the Sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 2: That distinction belongs to BYU's Trevin Nale, who is twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Now, while you kind of expect.

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Speaker 2: That from a BYU player because those dudes are always

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Speaker 2: damn near thirties since so many of them choose to

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Speaker 2: embark on missions that last multiple years, these long in

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Speaker 2: the two college basketball players is just the new reality

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Speaker 1: Because of the transfer portal.

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Speaker 2: Since twenty nineteen, the average age of players in the

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Speaker 2: fake ID. But the Transfer Portal is completely reshaping college

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Speaker 2: basketball in a number of ways. Now that players can

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Speaker 2: transfer as much as they want without having to sit

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Speaker 2: out at all, it's forcing a lot of college teams

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Speaker 1: Take Indiana for example.

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Speaker 2: Mike Woodson stepped down as head coach and the result

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Speaker 2: is seven players who have entered the portal, which means

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Speaker 2: new head coach Darien DeVries basically has to put together

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Speaker 2: As of the recording of this podcast, there were more

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Speaker 2: than one thousand players in the portal. With such a

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Speaker 2: like Rick Patino, who just brought Saint John's back from

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Speaker 3: Well, we're not recruiting any high school basketball players, not

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Speaker 3: this year. We've already recruited Rubin Lefty. Come on, we're

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Speaker 1: Where's the lie?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 2: And sure enough, Patino already has snagged former Arizona State

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Speaker 2: keep it an unfiltered stack. If you're a college coach

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Speaker 1: School whose hands you may have to hold.

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Speaker 2: You're picking somebody who already voted in a presidential election,

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Speaker 1: The choice seems kind of clear.

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Speaker 2: The trickle down effect is that the portal game has

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Speaker 2: This year was just the second time in history that

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Speaker 2: You didn't see a lot of upsets because mid majors

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Speaker 2: the John Morantz, the Wally Zerbiaks, the Gordon Haywards. Now

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Speaker 5: This is narrow, glorified juco. You know, this is like

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Speaker 2: Beyond that, what has a lot of coaches especially pissed

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Speaker 1: Michigan State coach Tom is A went smooth.

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Speaker 6: If you don't have spots, why are you doing that

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Speaker 6: it's one I really have zero interest in answering because

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Speaker 4: Is that people like you have to ask.

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Speaker 6: These questions, and I value that you have to ask them.

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Speaker 6: And I do get upset when you know people are

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Speaker 6: They're doing what their parents or their agents are telling

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Speaker 6: And I think that's insane. I think it's disgusting. But

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Speaker 6: back to rankings. This is the number one transfer, and

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Speaker 6: And of course we'll look at everything if something happens,

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Speaker 4: That's why I coined it. Let's be different, okay.

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Speaker 6: But he used to always say to me when I

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Speaker 4: You know, happy medium?

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Speaker 6: You always got to recruit good players, and you always

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to tell you something I learned.

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Speaker 6: If you're loyal to your players and they want to

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Speaker 1: Oh and he was just getting started.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to worry today.

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Speaker 6: But the guys I got in this program that have

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Speaker 6: if that cost me later, so be it. But tom

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Speaker 2: There, the irony Three of Michigan State's players entered the

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Speaker 2: how the free market is supposed to work. Now that

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Speaker 2: narrative about this economy tanking. Oh, this is just a

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Speaker 2: period of transition, a temporary pain. I read a report

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Speaker 2: recently and Sports Illustrated that estimated that high level college

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Speaker 2: basketball players earned about a million per year in twenty

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Speaker 2: Illustrated also reported that a top point guard was deciding

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Speaker 2: their value year over year. Is why Andrew Brandt, who

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Speaker 2: It's why he told me that right now college athletes

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Speaker 2: have the best free agency in sports.

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Speaker 7: We have free agency in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: Oh, that's easy. Go way back when I was eight

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Speaker 7: Tommy Harper, Seattle Pilots, nineteen sixty nine, like all that

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Speaker 7: It's like sixth grade letter, right, But I give them

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00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 7: three options. I don't know. I was just honestly part

439
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 7: of the reason I did it wasn't to be so

440
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 7: clever and get their attention. I was kind of pissed

441
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 7: off at that point. I was kind of like, how

442
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,360
Speaker 7: fucking long are you going to string me along? I've

443
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 7: done this for four years. Clearly I prove and I

444
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,959
Speaker 7: know what I'm doing, Like, give me my chance, or

445
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 7: let's just break up. Let's just be done with each other.

446
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 2: So how do you think you working all those different jobs,

447
00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: prepaid legal, telemarketer, working in the garbage industry, how do

448
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: you think that informed you or shaped how you approach broadcasting.

449
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 7: That's a great question. I think or approach life as

450
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 7: even a better quesch Just you know, it was my

451
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 7: blue period. I always had this belief, and I had

452
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 7: people who encouraged me to keep the belief outsid other

453
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 7: people who were total doubters, Like, dude, they serious, you

454
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 7: think ESPN's going to hire you. You're selling fucking long distance,

455
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 7: You're calling up some business, Hey can I lower your bills?

456
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 4: You know?

457
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 7: So some of it was humbling, you know, through that time.

458
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 7: But at the same time, anytime you go through something

459
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 7: to get somewhere else, I think, you know, it's a cliche,

460
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 7: but It's true you appreciated all that much more. And

461
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 7: I don't think I would have changed anything. I mean

462
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 7: what I should have done.

463
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 4: Well.

464
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 7: First I had to try out with Seattle, but I

465
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 7: failed the physical for my messed up ankle. Not that

466
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 7: I was going to be Joe Montana, but I was

467
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 7: good enough to be in their camp, and that's what

468
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 7: I wanted to do. So for a couple more years,

469
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 7: I kept throwing, kept living with my ankle sucks. And

470
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 7: you know about our foundation for veterans based on the

471
00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 7: ruined ankle run freely. So I don't know. I think

472
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 7: the normal path would have been you go get a

473
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 7: job in Tri Cities or Bandorg and no offense to

474
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 7: any of those places, you know, and then you move

475
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 7: up to Spokane, and then you get lucky and go

476
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 7: you know, I just went straight to Seattle. First. I

477
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 7: got a job out of a newspaper after I got

478
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 7: cut by the Seahawks. Said looking, you know for you know, engaging, entertaining, energetic,

479
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 7: all those words, and college degree is like, that's me,

480
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 7: they're talking to me. So I got that job over

481
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 7: the phone on a newspaper ad back when I say,

482
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 7: you got jobs and four hours four hours a night.

483
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 7: I ripped up heart the script pages, I listened to

484
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Speaker 7: the fire scanner. I would just like the gopher right,

485
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 7: and I just kept moving up until I finally got

486
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 7: my chance. But the typical way, you know, would have

487
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 7: been go to a small market and move up, up, up.

488
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 7: I went the Magellan route in its entirety.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely, and hearing your story it makes me

490
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: feel like I had the most boring origin story, because yes,

491
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 2: I did come the traditional path. I came through newspapers.

492
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Speaker 2: But that's a that's a long day, a try out

493
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: for another day. Now you get to ESPN in the

494
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: mid nineties, is that correct?

495
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 7: What happened was the they started a show called Sports Night,

496
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 7: and it was Keith Overman and Susie Kolbert Yep, Stuart Scott,

497
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 7: Bill Pedo, Deb Kaufman were the junior players, like they

498
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 7: call them, the smash anchors. They come on at fifty

499
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 7: eight or twenty five and do these little updates, right,

500
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 7: and when you weren't doing that, you do like feature stores.

501
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 7: So Keith went back to Dan, right back to Channel one,

502
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 7: and Stuart moved up to be next to Susie. They

503
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 7: needed one more guy and that was just when I

504
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 7: had sent that letter. Who I don't know what happened.

505
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 7: I don't know if they were like, let's just fucking

506
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 7: get it. Hire this idiot, he'll fail, we'll get him

507
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 7: out here. And in fact, what's really funny. The first day,

508
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 7: do you remember Julie Mariosh she was the producer. I'm

509
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 7: sure you're both.

510
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: I know who that is.

511
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 7: She was my producer for my little smash segment. I'm

512
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 7: going to be on at five twenty five. I got

513
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 7: a fill five minutes. It's first time I've been on

514
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,959
Speaker 7: live TV in like five years. I've done a lot

515
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 7: of reporting and interviews and stuff, but not on TV.

516
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 7: And I couldn't figure out the computer system. It was

517
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 7: an old like use Soviet equipment or something. I don't

518
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 7: know what the hell it was. It was terrible, but

519
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 7: I couldn't figure out how to save what i'd write.

520
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 7: I had a few lead ins and some scores and

521
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 7: this and that. It's like twenty minutes before air and

522
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 7: Julie comes up, puts her hand on my shoulders, like

523
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 7: are you okay? Is everything okay? And inside I'm like, no,

524
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 7: it's not okay, Julie. It's really bad because I I'm

525
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 7: on in like forty minutes. I haven't on in five years,

526
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,719
Speaker 7: and I have nothing to read, you know, and she, oh,

527
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 7: you got to press F seven or whatever it was, right.

528
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 7: I literally thought for a moment, and it reminds me

529
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 7: of a football story too, But I literally thought, for

530
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 7: a moment, if I just run from the building right now,

531
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 7: no one will know I failed. But these eight people

532
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 7: or these you know, I was like, I'm going to stay.

533
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 7: Dennis Sidori, god rest, who's my director? He made me

534
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 7: giggle right before I came on. I wasn't great, but

535
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 7: I wasn't terrible. And you know, a bunch of years

536
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 7: went by after that, but I remember high school football.

537
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 7: I was like five eight, one hundred and thirty five pounds,

538
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 7: and the starting quarterback for the varsity came up during

539
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 7: a water break. He's like, you're turning out. It's just

540
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 7: like that, and I was like, oh, yeah, you know,

541
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 7: and that you got to fight through the doubters and

542
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 7: align yourself with those who believe in you. And I

543
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 7: did that more than I did the other. So in

544
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 7: every case I've sort of been questioned or challenged.

545
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: I guess now, as you know, Kenny from working there

546
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: multiple decades at ESPN, and I know from working there

547
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: as well, is that ESPN is not a place sometimes

548
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: that does well with personalities or with people who kind

549
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: of bring their own way of doing things, as you

550
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: know as being a good friend of the late Stewart Scott,

551
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 2: he went through a lot and just tried to be

552
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: himself and bring his authenticity, bring his own style to

553
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Speaker 2: being a sports center anchor. It seems like at least

554
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: this is the perception, and I'd love for you to

555
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: elaborate on this. It seems like you were the one

556
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: person who was who was accepted for their uniqueness and

557
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: their quirks from the beginning. Is that just a perception

558
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: that we have or did you go through things behind

559
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: the scenes and trying to be the kinny may.

560
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: That everybody loved and embraced that we just don't know about.

561
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 7: I think you were watching me when you're in kindergarten,

562
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 7: you know, even pop tarts on Detroit.

563
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate you th think I'm that young, but I'm

564
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: older than I look.

565
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 7: I would say yes and no. There were certain believers

566
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 7: like Al Jaffe and Vince Doria. There were others who

567
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 7: were less believing in what I was doing. And I think,

568
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 7: you know this, like I think I'm acting about the

569
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 7: same right now as I did physically with you in

570
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 7: the hallway or on TV. It's not other than wearing

571
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 7: clothes and makeup. This is kind of what you get,

572
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 7: you know. I mean it might be a little more

573
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 7: serious on a serious story or whatever. But at the beginning, yeah,

574
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 7: they thought I was kind of a freak. Some of them.

575
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 7: They were like, why did he do that? You know,

576
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 7: I'm not getting everything, And I would distinctly remember one

577
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 7: of them tried to run me out after about two

578
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 7: months because I kept sucking up Miguel in DuRane. He's

579
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 7: a Spanish psychle list, okay, and we were doing the

580
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 7: offbeat sport. Not that cecling is that offbeat, but you know,

581
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 7: it doesn't get a lot of coverage on sports, so

582
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 7: we were doing more of those kind of sports a

583
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 7: lot on on sports. You know it ever get some

584
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 7: in your head and it's a block and you can't

585
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 7: remember somebody's name or you can't say the name right,

586
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 7: or whatever the case is. And I had a block

587
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 7: on this guy, but I always correct myself. Miguel, I

588
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 7: mean Michael endurance or I call him Michael, and his

589
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 7: name was Miguel. That's what it was. It's like, that's

590
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 7: the English version of Miguel. You know, this goes back

591
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 7: to my Spanish roots from eleventh grade or whatever. As

592
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 7: mooi simpatica a moos istori oka abla moui despasio poke

593
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 7: no ntendo mucho. Okay, that's for a Spanish listening audience.

594
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 7: So Norby literally was, dude, we don't need mistakes, like,

595
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 7: you know, you got to be better. And he's right.

596
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 7: I did need to clean it up, but it wasn't

597
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 7: worth the tribunal. So Vince was just like, just get

598
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 7: it right next time.

599
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: You know.

600
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 7: You can hear Vince saying that. And I'm not even

601
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 7: saying this pick on our it's just in case you

602
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 7: asked how I was received. And I think he and

603
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 7: some others were in the camp that, oh, this guy

604
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 7: is fucking weirdough, like, what are we doing here? We're

605
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 7: supposed to be doing real sports. They were hung up

606
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 7: on stats, stats and all that. Stuart got smart about it.

607
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 7: He would load his read with a shitload of stats,

608
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 7: you know, last game, nine game average. Then he'd get

609
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 7: in can I get a witness, you know, like he'd

610
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 7: or he'd go, can I get a witness, then do

611
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 7: the stats? But he he made sure that compliance. Here

612
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 7: you go. I said, all these numbers, you can't yell

613
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 7: at me, you know, but I'm going to be me,

614
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 7: and I kept doing the same thing.

615
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: A lot of people refer to the time in which

616
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: you were really making your way in your name at

617
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 2: ESPN as being the golden age of ESPN, especially as

618
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: it relates to Sports Center.

619
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: How do you view or characterize that time at ESPN.

620
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 7: It's weird because I wouldn't say it, but it's true

621
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 7: in the sense that I was the Olberam and Patrick era,

622
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 7: just following the initial years, the Berman's and the Bob

623
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 7: Lee's and the Charlie's and Robin Roberts, and I could

624
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 7: go on with, you know, a whole bunch of other names,

625
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 7: really good people, and we were there where the show

626
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 7: mattered more than it matters now. I'm not saying the

627
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 7: shows aren't good now, you know, Van Pelt does a

628
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 7: great show. A bunch of people do. But you don't

629
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 7: need the show and the way you needed it then,

630
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 7: right because there was no internet. When the Internet came out.

631
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 7: We were making fun of it, like, yeah, you guys

632
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 7: have fun over there with this computer, you know, like

633
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 7: we thought it was stupid, right, I thought ESPN was

634
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 7: stupid when I heard about it. I was in college

635
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 7: playing football at UNLV is Like, who cares about twenty

636
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 7: four hours of sports? Like it made no sense to

637
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 7: me then, But yeah, that era was definitely special if

638
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 7: you cared about a certain game and you didn't have

639
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 7: like a ham radio or something to know what the

640
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 7: fuck happened in Detroit, right, like only the people in

641
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 7: Detroit knew the Detroit Nicks game. New York and Detroit

642
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 7: people and maybe if it was on some radio thing.

643
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 7: But yeah, that moment was special because like here it comes.

644
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 7: No one's ever heard this result before, and people did

645
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 7: it in their unique way, and it really had a

646
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 7: special time and place.

647
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: And looking at that at era, you know, inside the building,

648
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: how would you sort of describe the climate, Because when

649
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: I got to ESPN, I didn't get there till six.

650
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: I used to hear all kind of of funny stories about,

651
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: you know, how things used to be among the anchors

652
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Speaker 2: and even with the producers and everything.

653
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Speaker 1: I mean, would you say it was collegial, like how

654
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: what would be your description?

655
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 7: By the way, six is what they yell at Howard,

656
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 7: just putting that on record.

657
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: Look we are we're gonna get to you and the cookouts.

658
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 7: Right, that's Stammorett. I was six when the when the fraternity,

659
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 7: or was there the school of the fraternity.

660
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: I believe it was. Well, I'm trying to think is

661
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: stand in a in a front because there is a.

662
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's fraternal. Yeah, you yell at

663
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 7: your your case of initi or of what's the word

664
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Speaker 7: I'm looking for when it was, when it was built,

665
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 7: when it was unveiled, what's your question?

666
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: Oh?

667
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 7: The culture in the hall in the hallway, isn't it?

668
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 7: I mean I would say I you know, I can

669
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 7: only speak from my perspective, like mostly warm, mostly encouraging.

670
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 7: I had Charlie Steiner always looking out for me, and

671
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 7: Bob Lee and Dan and Keith kind of were in

672
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 7: their own little universe, but they were always good to me,

673
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 7: you know, if you had a question. I felt like

674
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 7: it was generally a positive place. There was definitely some competition.

675
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 7: I want this assignment. I want that assignment. And I

676
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 7: remember when I ended up getting picked to replace Keith.

677
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 7: Keith left one of his nine times. He left and

678
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 7: they needed somebody to sit next to Dan, so they

679
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 7: took like a like three months. It was really weird period.

680
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 7: You'd do two shows with him and then you go

681
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 7: back to what you're doing and somebody else would come on.

682
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 7: And I didn't politic at all. I was like, try

683
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 7: to do my best. I was surprised to pick me.

684
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 7: But the funny part about that was I had turned

685
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 7: down I'd signed my original deal blindly. I just liked

686
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 7: Seahawks contract. Just whatever says I'm in, let's go. So

687
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 7: I wasn't making a lot of money, but compared to

688
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 7: what I was making selling long distance in Seattle, was

689
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 7: making more than that, not that much, And so it

690
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 7: came time to offer me something to stay longer, and

691
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 7: I turned it down. It was pretty I'd only been

692
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 7: there two years. I was on a three year deal.

693
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 7: It was in the last year and I was like,

694
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 7: I think I'm worth more. That's I said. What I

695
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 7: said was if you paid your neighbor kid a dime

696
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 7: to mow the lawn, then you gave him a quarter,

697
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 7: you're still screwing him right, like a big rays for sure.

698
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 7: So I turned it down and they're kind of surprised,

699
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 7: and I'm still, you know, doing my thing. I was

700
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 7: on Sports Center at this point, some and uh and

701
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 7: and the car Racing show. I did the RPM Show,

702
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 7: which I knew nothing about car racing, but I quickly

703
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 7: learned and enjoyed it. And then Keith Leaves, and then

704
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 7: they offered me the other job with Dan but at

705
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 7: the exact same number that I had turned down to

706
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 7: not be on that show. And I was like, that

707
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 7: doesn't seem you didn't. You were not for me anything

708
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 7: but just to stay here before Now you're gonna like

709
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 7: give me a big raise, but the biggest job in

710
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 7: the building, or one of the biggest anyway. And they said, yeah,

711
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 7: take it or leave it. You have to sign it

712
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 7: to get the job. So I had to write like

713
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 7: that's a big deal.

714
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: I had to move that.

715
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 7: But then I called Howard Katz, who I just bumped

716
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 7: into actually told we told him the story. I said, Howard,

717
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 7: I just told him the whole story. I just told you.

718
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 7: I said, isn't that kind of unfair? It's kind of

719
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 7: weird that happened. He said, you know what, we screwed

720
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 7: you and he over the phone changed the numbers. So

721
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 7: good on him, like he was honorable thing to do.

722
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 7: And we always said, you want to get up to

723
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 7: the Charlie Steiner area of income. We didn't know precisely,

724
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 7: but just felt that there was a number there if

725
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 7: you could get in that neighborhood. You were doing pretty well.

726
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: So, you know, aside from what you just mentioned in

727
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: that negotiation and when you left for good and I

728
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: believe twenty twenty one, had you ever come close to

729
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 2: leaving ESPN?

730
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 7: About eight times?

731
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: It's okay, okay, where's the closest since it was that?

732
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 7: Maybe it was, Oh, there was one where I just

733
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 7: announced I'm not going to do it, and I'm not

734
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 7: act like I'm in a big thing. But I was

735
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 7: my own agent. I had agents that never worked out

736
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 7: for me to have an agent, and I just liked

737
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 7: advocating for myself. I wasn't afraid of the conversation. It

738
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 7: feels weird to say, boy, I'm really good at writing

739
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 7: and saying Joe, you know, like it feels to brag

740
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 7: yourself up. But I think they knew what they got

741
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 7: in me to keep her leave, and they always wanted

742
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 7: to keep me enough to raise the money, just enough

743
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 7: to make me want to stay enough, you know what

744
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 7: I mean. That was it always came down to that.

745
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 7: Me and Skipper usually worked it out a few times,

746
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 7: but I don't know other people do it right. The

747
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 7: funny thing is I never had another offer. Nobody the

748
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 7: other place has never offered anything. It was always going

749
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 7: to be I guess I'm going out in the world.

750
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 7: See what happens next.

751
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: Your leverage was just I'm just going to leave.

752
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 4: It was.

753
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: Kenny. You know, that's not the way negotiation usually works.

754
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 7: It worked, though, It worked until the last time where

755
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 7: they gave me a really big cut and I just said,

756
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 7: I just do the line that time, like, well, if

757
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 7: you're not going to move, Because he was surprised, I

758
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 7: said no, I just said all pass on a text

759
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 7: and wanted to know, well, are you just leaving? I said, well,

760
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 7: you made an offer and I rejected it. Now it's

761
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 7: your move if you you want to raise it up

762
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 7: maybe you know, and they didn't, so we didn't, and

763
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 7: you know, that's life.

764
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: At least.

765
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: This is a story that you've obviously told before. But

766
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 2: they were they wanted to cut your pay by sixty

767
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: one percent.

768
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: That was it.

769
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 7: By the way, I got a promotional I'll get to

770
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 7: that question. You didn't ask you, but I know you're

771
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 7: setting it up. You guys, as a promotional tool, should

772
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 7: do the transcript of your shows, you know, and relate

773
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 7: it to the Atlantic and put it out on signal.

774
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 7: People can just read the entirety of any show you did.

775
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 7: So that's a free one for you.

776
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 2: You know what, Kitty, given your very profound experience in marketing,

777
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to actually I'm gonna take you up on that.

778
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: But you know, when they when they came to you

779
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: and said that they want to cut your pay by

780
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: sixty one percent, when you consider how long you've been

781
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: at the company, and I know we shouldn't look at

782
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: things this way because you know, this is a business

783
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: and we all understand that these are conditional relationships.

784
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: Was there any part of.

785
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 2: You where your feelings were hurt by the fact that

786
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 2: they came to you with this kind of insulting.

787
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

788
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 7: I mean, it's funny because even if you took the

789
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 7: sixty one percent out, what was left in America or

790
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 7: early anywhere is still very livable and a lot of money.

791
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 7: But I don't know that's like, I don't think that

792
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 7: was the way to look at it, because somebody else

793
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 7: who is a garbage person, they make thirty three dollars

794
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 7: an hour, and if they were told, yeah, keep working here,

795
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 7: you're down to what that math is fourteen dollars twelve cents.

796
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 7: That's still not terrible for a lot of jobs people

797
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 7: make lesson that's twice the minimum wage. But the garbage

798
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 7: guy would say, no, man, I've been I wasn't making

799
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 7: thirty three fifty. Why I'm doing the same work I've

800
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 7: worked hard for you. I just thought it was I

801
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 7: don't know, feeling bad. I just looked. I tried to

802
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 7: be professional about like it's a business. They have devalued me,

803
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 7: they think less of me, and their offer mirrors that,

804
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 7: and now it's up to me to take it and

805
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 7: keep doing this thing I'm doing, or see what else

806
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 7: is out there. And I just took a roll of dice,

807
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 7: so it's good. I'll see what else is out there.

808
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 7: In fact, I always have dice with me. I used

809
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 7: to have them whenever i'm It's fun just to like

810
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 7: throw them. We did well in craps in Vegas last week,

811
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 7: by the way, I mean feel bad. I don't know.

812
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 7: It's funny. Gretchen and I had talked about and she

813
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 7: was my you know, she's a great advocate in ally,

814
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 7: and she was like stand up for herself, don't you know?

815
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 7: She was like, put So, I'm in that room back there,

816
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 7: you can't see it. I'm on the phone, Norby. We're

817
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 7: just about to wrap up. I guess I'm leaving. And

818
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 7: and she walked in the room. She came home from something,

819
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 7: and I looked at her ice swim and she just

820
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 7: knew she you know, she had this look like, oh

821
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 7: my god, we're really doing it, you know. And I

822
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 7: still had like five shows left, and he asked, you

823
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 7: want to just stop today and you're done? I said,

824
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 7: if you want to take me out those shows, but

825
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 7: I'm not. I'm not going to like make John Anderson

826
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 7: work three days in a row when he wasn't, you know,

827
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 7: I mean, like I'd be screwing somebody else to walk away.

828
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 7: So it was kind of fun in a way, knowing

829
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 7: I'm leaving but still had five shows to do. They

830
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 7: were all weird, the last one in particular, but you know,

831
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 7: I remember they asked, do you want to put out

832
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 7: a release? Together, you know, like glorified. What a time

833
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 7: we had. I was like, I'll handle my release you

834
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 7: Hendley Oors And that wasn't like bitter, but I wanted

835
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 7: to I'm writing my own words.

836
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 3: I'm not.

837
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 7: I don't need a co writer.

838
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: There.

839
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 2: I mean, if anyone I would have dreamed of would

840
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: have left in that fashion, it would definitely be you. Listen, Kenny,

841
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: I got a lot that I want to ask you about.

842
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 2: I want to ask you some more about Run Freely,

843
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: the event you have coming up in New York, obviously

844
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: about your Whiffleball documentary.

845
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: But we just have to take a very quick break.

846
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 7: I know, you know what all read the ads. What

847
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 7: are we selling.

848
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: To tell you what? That's what we'll have you do.

849
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 7: We'll have you read the ads presents.

850
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: See it's you're just too good at this. Of course,

851
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: we will be right back with a little bit more,

852
00:39:50,840 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: a lot more with Kenny May. Kenny.

853
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: We alluded to this at the beginning of the podcast,

854
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: but I just want to give people some context of

855
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: the depth of our relationship is. You know, it started

856
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: long before all the Trump shit went down with me,

857
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: but during that time in particular, you were definitely one

858
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: of the people. And I don't know that I ever

859
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: thanked you personally, and I definitely want to take this

860
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: time an opportunity to thank you for how supportive you

861
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: were and just in general as we were going through

862
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: that first Trump presidency that we would just often have,

863
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: as you know, and especially black people know, like there's

864
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: the meeting, and there's the meeting after the meeting.

865
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: My favorite meeting after the meeting was Kenny May because.

866
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: We would literally be in the hallway in the makeup

867
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 2: room somewhere like can you believe this shit?

868
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Can you the number of can.

869
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: You believe this shit? Conversations we had we just filled

870
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: my spirits so much.

871
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 7: Well, it's good to know, Like I went to the

872
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 7: Presidence Day protests in Hertford and it was freezing, it

873
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 7: was snow and it was twenty I don't know how

874
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 7: many people, thousands, twelve hundred, whatever it was, and just

875
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 7: to be around other people to know you're not crazy

876
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 7: is that's just fulfilling. It doesn't change the world. We

877
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 7: didn't change anything, but we did in the sense that

878
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 7: we got more community now we know, right, And I

879
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 7: felt the same way with you and Michael, and sometimes

880
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 7: we would just see each other if they're you know,

881
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 7: you run a different show. I was on a different show.

882
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 7: We're busy. You just look at each other and just

883
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 7: that was enough and you knew it meant way more.

884
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, And it wasn't mocking that at all. It

885
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 7: was sincere. It was a sincere fast and I don't know, man,

886
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 7: I I tried. I remember the time I came on

887
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 7: talking about Kaepernick, which was even before, and I remember

888
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 7: how I can't nervous. Was in the right way. It's

889
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 7: just it wasn't like we're talking now, you know what

890
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 7: I mean. That's the best way to put it is

891
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 7: like every sentence I said, like is it okay that

892
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 7: I said, It's okay that kaepern took me, you know,

893
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 7: like it was a weird thing. It was weird because

894
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 7: your show it got so mischaracterized, like everybody to talk

895
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 7: to like you're in the Communist manifesto. Every show. It's like,

896
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 7: once in a while, you guys did a thing if

897
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 7: sports and politics got together. But again, I remember staying

898
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 7: and some people thought it was controversial, which I think

899
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 7: is crazy. He did something. In fact, Nate Boyer recommended

900
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 7: they were a veteran like hey, seating. Sitting looks like

901
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 7: you're just saying fuck you to everybody. If you kneel,

902
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 7: it's kind of more poetic. You're making your stance, but

903
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 7: you're doing it in the most respectful way. He gave

904
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 7: him that advice, and that's all he did. And there

905
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 7: were things happening that were worthy of protesting, and that

906
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 7: was his best vehicle. He didn't interrupt the anthem. There's

907
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 7: other people in the stands, the same people mad at him.

908
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 7: They're drinking beer, they got their hat on, They're not

909
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 7: you know, you know what I mean? Like, there was

910
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 7: so much hypocrisy about that whole thing, and I just

911
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 7: he was right and what he did. So it's almost

912
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,280
Speaker 7: like always the protesters are the ones, those crazy radicals.

913
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 7: And then some years later they kind of had a point.

914
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 7: The Vietnam War protesters kind of had a point.

915
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 2: You know, do you or do you ever think about

916
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: what it would be like for you if you were

917
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: at ESPN now doing this iteration of the Trump presidency.

918
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 7: Well, it seems the political rules have vanished. Although I

919
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 7: would say, honestly and again not slimmy, you're asking a

920
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 7: legitimate question, analyzing a place, you know, that's in the culture.

921
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 7: If you have certain power there, you know, then you

922
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 7: get to do what you want to do right. And

923
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 7: if you don't have as much power, then you don't

924
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 7: get to do what you want to do. I was

925
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 7: probably in the mid power range, but not in the

926
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 7: old uber right. I could get away with not doing

927
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 7: my compliance training right or letting us stack up. You know, like,

928
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 7: fuck your compliance training. You're only doing that to protect

929
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 7: you guys. You don't care that I know to treat

930
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 7: women well, I already do treat women well. I've done

931
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 7: it for twenty odd years. I'm not filling your stupid form.

932
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 7: In fact, one time they said, hr got to help

933
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 7: me do it. They just you got to get it done.

934
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 7: I was at my desk gambling on Saratoga the horses

935
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 7: and the and the guy sat with me. We did

936
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 7: the compliance on one computer while we were cheering on

937
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 7: horses on the other. So, uh yeah, they the rules

938
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 7: were such in our time. They were very strict. And

939
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 7: and it's so funny because everybody paints of the ESPN

940
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 7: such a liberal place, and you got all of you

941
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 7: are woke and all that stupid shit, and the truth

942
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 7: is it's kind of a conservative place. And those who

943
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 7: had left wing if you want to call it that opinions.

944
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 7: We were the ones who were underwatch. Not that the

945
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 7: other people said so much, but they said nothing, which

946
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 7: was like saying something right, be not lukewarm, I think

947
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 7: is the quote in the Bible. So yeah, I remember,

948
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 7: I got, I got. I remember hitting you up after

949
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 7: you'd already got in trouble for yours and went the

950
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 7: night that you you said what you said about Trump

951
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 7: being white supremacists. You you semi attext, I feel like

952
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 7: you'd had at least a half a bottle of wine.

953
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 7: Tell me that I don't know, probably true at that point. Yes,

954
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 7: but you said I have died on the cross for

955
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 7: your sins. There's something that was so you can live.

956
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 7: The funny part is I didn't know what you had done,

957
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 7: but I knew what you meant, like, oh shit, she

958
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 7: did something, you know, And then I found out what

959
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 7: it was, and uh yeah, I got called one time,

960
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 7: and I remember you going, oh, well, all you get

961
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 7: his warnings. You just get a lot of warning because

962
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 7: you know my fifth warning. Remember when Trump's physician god name, yeah,

963
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 7: and he's talked about him, you know, superior athlete, and

964
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 7: he should, you know, be one of the best presidents

965
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 7: healthwise for another on hundred years, you know. And so

966
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 7: that day I was in Seattle at Jamal Crawford's old

967
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 7: high school, throwing footballs with the kids. Saw that all happen,

968
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 7: and I tweeted the president's doctor just time me at

969
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 7: four to one in the forty wearing Snoop Dogg slippers.

970
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 7: I thought that was a good joke.

971
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: It was a good joke.

972
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 7: I got called like ten seconds later, like, God, damn it,

973
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,479
Speaker 7: what do you know. You can't criticize the president? I said,

974
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 7: I didn't. I made a joke about this physical which

975
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 7: I think most people know is kind of a joke.

976
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 7: But even if they don't think that, it's still just

977
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 7: a joke about the physician, right, it's not. But yeah,

978
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 7: they were strange times. They had a committee to watch

979
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 7: our Twitter. Basically, they had four or five people that

980
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 7: would alert, hey, is this too far? I don't know,

981
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 7: you know, and they decide whether it was worthy of

982
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 7: some type of Reprimand yeah.

983
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: ESPN had his own version of doge, but related to

984
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: social media.

985
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 7: But now you got you know, McAfee does what he

986
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 7: wants politically. Now that's different. God bless him. He made

987
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 7: a great deal. He really made a deal where we

988
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 7: do whatever we want and you've decided to air it. Right.

989
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 7: He doesn't have people telling him say this or that.

990
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 7: Stephen A's on Hannity's show every other day, and those

991
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 7: are quite political statements. I'm not even I don't even

992
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 7: know what he believes, but it seems like there's a

993
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 7: great freedom if you're in such a position where you

994
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 7: kind of now hold the leverage.

995
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to add to that and say there's freedom

996
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: when you have leverage.

997
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: And certainly two of the biggest contracts and maybe already

998
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: Steven A probably has the biggest contract now at ESPN,

999
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,919
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of weight and money that comes

1000
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 2: with that and leverage and power the max deal, Yeah

1001
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: he got maxed out. But the other part of it,

1002
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: too is the type of politics that they're expressing, because

1003
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: I do wonder if they were not, like if it

1004
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 2: wasn't Hannity, And let's just.

1005
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: Say, I'm trying to Rachel.

1006
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think like if you were going on

1007
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: Rachel Maddow every ndy or every other night, would this

1008
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: still be as embraced Because stephen A's politics, even though

1009
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: clearly at times he says things that rile people up,

1010
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: and he's riled up both sides of the aisle before.

1011
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: But I do think that it's probably an easier sell

1012
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: to get away with more right leading politics, because when

1013
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: you think about the powers that be both at ESPN

1014
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: and at Disney, they probably skew as we just discussed

1015
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: a little bit more conservative. So I think it's the

1016
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: combo of power and the type of politics that you're expressing.

1017
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 7: There might be something to that. I just remember always

1018
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 7: doing it in code and thinking I was so clever,

1019
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 7: but then realizing not many people got my code. Like

1020
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 7: if Trump was at a press conference, I would put

1021
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 7: the lyrics to He's mister know it all Stevie Wonder

1022
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 7: from inner visions and those who know, and there were

1023
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 7: I mean, he's like prophetic, right, those words Jesus Children

1024
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 7: of America. Like there's so many things that we're in

1025
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 7: in nineteen seventy two seventy three that have such great

1026
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 7: application right now, and because of my affinity for him,

1027
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 7: like those are the ones I usually quote, but I

1028
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 7: don't know. I kept trying to say, it's not even

1029
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 7: a left right thing, it's kind of a right and

1030
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 7: wrong thing. I've said that many times to people, and

1031
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 7: we are where we are, and now it's even crazier,

1032
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 7: you know, talking about can you believe earlier? It's like

1033
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 7: there's days I love golf. I know you started playing golf.

1034
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 7: I love that four five hours of I only look

1035
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 7: up my phone wants to see if Gretchen needs me

1036
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 7: or whatever, and just let it go because you I

1037
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 7: don't know how these poor bastards cover it daily like

1038
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 7: somebody who's assigned to a certain beat and every night,

1039
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 7: I mean, because I need my breaks. I've stopped watching

1040
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 7: cable news like almost I think I've watched an hour

1041
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 7: since the election, and there's no offense to certain of

1042
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 7: them on cable news. It's more like I trust who

1043
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 7: I trust to know what I know, and I can

1044
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 7: catch up and not immerse myself and go crazy just

1045
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 7: hearing every opinion. And I've done it like medications, just

1046
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 7: like a little little methadone, a.

1047
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Little dose here and there, and you're able to and

1048
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: you're able to keep up.

1049
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: So you talked about this in the first half of

1050
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: the podcast, and you know, as familiar as I am

1051
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 2: with this story, bears, are you explaining again because I

1052
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: want to ask you about Run Freely, the nonprofit that

1053
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: you founded with Gretchen and I think around twenty eighteen,

1054
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 2: which was the root of it, was because of your

1055
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: own debilitating ankle issues that you've had that you got

1056
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: while you were playing football.

1057
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: The part that I didn't know was that you were

1058
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: considering amputation.

1059
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 7: What happened there bad pass protection that starts the story,

1060
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 7: y'all fuck me over. Last play of the game. I'm

1061
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 7: second string, right, this is my junior year. I'm just

1062
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 7: starting to play a little bit more. And last play

1063
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 7: of the game at Oregon, we're getting killed. Game's over.

1064
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 7: I'm just going to throw one more pass. There's like

1065
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 7: nine seconds. You know, it's just taking knee. You know,

1066
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 7: it's not like we're not dribbling it out like basketball, right,

1067
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 7: So ninety five was the call. It was like all

1068
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 7: goes and I through shitty pass. It was raining, you know,

1069
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 7: everything bad about everything. As soon as I let it

1070
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 7: goes like, oh god, that's on not going very far

1071
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 7: and a guy stuck his helmet on my right ankle,

1072
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 7: like from the blind side. I ended up playing the

1073
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 7: next year. I had to fracture this location like really bad,

1074
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 7: tore all the ligaments, broke the bone, and they pieced

1075
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 7: me back together. Didn't think I was going to come

1076
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 7: back to play second string again. My last senior year,

1077
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 7: Sam King led the nation in passing, I'll have you know,

1078
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 7: and Randall Cunningham was a freshman underneath us. So had

1079
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 7: the Seattle failed the physical. And then through my twenties,

1080
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 7: I was still pretty good. I was playing you know,

1081
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 7: softball and flag football and stuff. Thirties, still forty, starting

1082
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 7: to slow down like everybody does. But mincle got really

1083
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 7: bad right around fifty, little early fifties. We're getting off

1084
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 7: an airplane. Well, I can't tell you how much pain

1085
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 7: I was in, Like you had to like force the

1086
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 7: joint to work. It was just so locked up my

1087
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 7: right ankle, sort of like self fusing. I guess that

1088
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 7: was the best way to put it. So I went

1089
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 7: to three doctors. I went to the fusion guy. That's

1090
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 7: where they just lock it in place and it's supposed

1091
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 7: to keep the pain away. The replacement guy, and I said, well,

1092
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 7: can I play flag football and softball? And they said no,

1093
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 7: we don't need to run. I was like, what, I

1094
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 7: can already not run? Why would I have your surgery

1095
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 7: to still not you know, so that was out and

1096
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 7: James Andrews said, don't do it too. And the last

1097
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 7: guy was the amputation guy. And I was serious. I

1098
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 7: was in a lot of pain, taking codeine not you know,

1099
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,919
Speaker 7: pretty depressed about it really, and they were they saved

1100
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 7: my life. They said, go find a better therapist. I

1101
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 7: found this guy named Nino PRIBBC in Kirkland, Washington. He

1102
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 7: brought my leg back to life. I got this brace

1103
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 7: done in California. That kind of got me through for

1104
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 7: a while, and I, you know, was doing better. Then

1105
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 7: I found this amazing brace in gig Harbor, Washington, a

1106
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 7: guy named Ryan Blank. It's called an exosim. Essentially, if

1107
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 7: you go to the websites run freely dot org, run

1108
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 7: freely dot org, it tells the whole story, but you

1109
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 7: stick your leg in it and then you stick that

1110
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 7: in your shoe. I just played golf yesterday, zero pain.

1111
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 7: I was going to do some sprintston the driveway today,

1112
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 7: like I can do stuff like that again with this device.

1113
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 7: And the guy who made it made it for veterans

1114
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 7: in the first place, right, so I remember the very

1115
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 7: first day. I'll never forget it. Like, I was crying

1116
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 7: trying to talk to Gretchen on the phone, and she

1117
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 7: didn't know why I was. I couldn't believe this gift,

1118
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 7: you know, And we just said, let's do something good

1119
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 7: about it. So we started a foundation. I think we're

1120
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 7: up to about sixty. I'd have to count them all up.

1121
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 7: But you know, some of them get to go back

1122
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 7: to work, some actually go back in the service. We

1123
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 7: were more inclined to help veterans who are out, but

1124
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 7: there have been some other cases like that. One guy

1125
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 7: was just like, dude, I get to walk on the

1126
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 7: beach with my daughter now she's two. I didn't get

1127
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 7: to do that until today. The guy, the last guy

1128
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 7: I put the video clips. I've moved to Blue Sky.

1129
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 7: I'm trying to Twitter is just not working right now.

1130
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 7: And we showed him on day one. He's running on

1131
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 7: day one. It's crazy. It's it's like you know when

1132
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 7: you fall asleep on your couch and you see those

1133
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 7: INFO commercials that last like an hour and they're just

1134
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 7: selling some bullshit that's not true. This is like that,

1135
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 7: but it's true.

1136
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: And those devices are quite expensive, correct, Yeah, I.

1137
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 7: Mean yes and no, they're eight to ten grand I'm

1138
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 7: not saying that's nothing, but compared to another surgery and

1139
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 7: all the rehab, it's a pretty good deal. You just

1140
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 7: don't fix anything, so you keep your bad leg, but

1141
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 7: you get to do shit.

1142
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 4: That's it.

1143
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 2: One thing about you, Kenny, anybody who's followed you through

1144
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: the course of your career, is that you come up

1145
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: with the most absurd ideas that would seem absurd unless

1146
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: people knew it was you. Right, Like if anybody else

1147
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: would have said, you know what, I'm going to challenge

1148
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: King Griffy Junior to.

1149
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: Some wiffleball. I think that's kind of absurd. But you

1150
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: took this idea of being able to strike them out

1151
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: with wiffleball, did you No?

1152
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 7: No, it was a speed pitch. The story is, this

1153
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 7: is nineteen eighty nine. He's a rookie in Seatley's nineteen

1154
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 7: and I talked and I was just starting my sports thing.

1155
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 7: I've been on for a year doing sports in addition

1156
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 7: to the news. I got Harold Reynolds to get Griffy

1157
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 7: to come to the Seattle Center to shoot a feature

1158
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 7: story not quite as good as some of the ones

1159
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 7: you might have seen later at ESPN. It was I

1160
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 7: was pretty amateur. It was as funny looking back at

1161
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 7: the tape. I was so bad. I was such a

1162
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 7: dork and Griffy and I end up throwing whiffleballs at

1163
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 7: the speed pitch at the Science Center, and I had

1164
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 7: this tape. You know, we ran the story that week.

1165
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 7: I quit that job a month later. That's before I

1166
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 7: started assembling garbage cans and for earlier listeners. And I

1167
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 7: had the tape all these years. So I saw Griffy

1168
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 7: like two years ago at the Seattle Sports Award Show

1169
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 7: and he gave this great speech and I went up, hey,

1170
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 7: good job, you know, just to say hi, and he

1171
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 7: brought up the day we threw whiffle balls. I forget

1172
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 7: what he said, but it was his reference to the

1173
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 7: fact we had done that, because I've maintained that I

1174
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 7: beat him by one mile per hour. And as a woman,

1175
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 7: one of the greatest players, he's our Willie Mays, one

1176
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 7: of the greatest ever to play game, is still thinking

1177
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 7: about a stupid feature story at Channel eleven nineteen eighty

1178
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 7: nine where we through wiffleballs, and it just inspired I'm

1179
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 7: going to make a really ridiculous documentary about that day.

1180
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 7: It's like retelling a Day in the Life is really

1181
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 7: all it is. Ken Burns is in it. We got

1182
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 7: Pearl Jam music, we got head in the Heart, got

1183
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 7: a rapper named Sam Luchow, the wiffleball President's in it.

1184
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 7: A university professor to analyze the tape is in it.

1185
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 7: I'm leaving at a science center people. So it's a

1186
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 7: half hour long, and it's on fuboat sports. For those

1187
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 7: who get that, I'll just send you one on email.

1188
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 7: And we're proud of it. Like it's a it's a

1189
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 7: quirky half hour. It's it's different, and it tells the

1190
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 7: whole story. And so then over the holiday this past Christmas,

1191
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 7: I just started daydreaming, what's something else I can do

1192
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 7: to compliment what that is and make it bigger? Right

1193
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 7: to show it, because we've shown it a couple of

1194
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 7: film festivals and charity events, but you know, fo boat sports,

1195
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 7: that's and I don't know how how far reaching it's been, right,

1196
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 7: So I made up at least I think I did

1197
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 7: twenty or thirty minutes of material, go on stage, pull

1198
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 7: it off, throw to the movie, kind of a hybrid

1199
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 7: comedy meets film festival, right, that's the act. And I

1200
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 7: sent a note to Jimmy Kimmel right after the New

1201
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 7: Year and said, hey, I looked at the calendar in

1202
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 7: Vegas in February, and you got a couple of dates.

1203
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 7: There's nobody planning. He got me in touch with those people.

1204
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 7: We went out and did it February third, I think

1205
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 7: it was, And I'm doing it again in New York

1206
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 7: City later in April at the pitt the People's Improv Theater.

1207
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 7: First one, like literally the first time in my life

1208
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 7: I tried. I went a half hour stand up and

1209
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 7: the difference was it didn't feel like what I considered

1210
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 7: to be stand up. It was more like just telling stories.

1211
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 7: I started at age three. Well, first I started with

1212
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 7: leaving ESPN. Gretchen thinks we still make money when we don't,

1213
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 7: but yet we have FedEx and ups trucks like we're

1214
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 7: a transfer station. She's trying to manifest she has. Gretchen

1215
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 7: has like money trees and she waters them, you know,

1216
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 7: so like our water bills like a golf course. Okay,

1217
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 7: she's trying, and so it's like that, telling stories about

1218
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 7: myself where I'm at. Then I tell about my childhood,

1219
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 7: stealing a candy bar, falling in love with Missus loomis

1220
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 7: breaking my femur at age eleven in football, and it

1221
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 7: leads to the showing of the movie. It's like, you

1222
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 7: need that information, like three D glasses to watch my movie.

1223
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: Were you nervous about doing something?

1224
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 7: I was only nervous because Gretchen was so damn nervous.

1225
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 7: And you know, you know, you've been around here once

1226
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 7: or twice, I think, and I mean, I love her,

1227
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 7: She's like my best support ever, but she wasn't helping.

1228
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 7: We're in the back room, you know, behind the stage

1229
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 7: and the two of us and these two girls that

1230
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 7: run the place, and I'm like, no, you know, like

1231
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 7: she's not I love her, But is there a bear?

1232
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 7: I heard?

1233
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: Look, I'll tell you if a bear's.

1234
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 7: Nice at it. So it's sort of like I did

1235
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 7: the Seattle Sports Aword show a few weeks ago, I

1236
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 7: believe or not, I got honored with the Keith Jackson Award,

1237
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 7: plugging myself here big on it. So he's Washington State guy, right,

1238
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 7: and they give the award to somebody who's old basically.

1239
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 7: But it was really fun because in a sense I

1240
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 7: did another stand up there, right. I went up and

1241
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 7: did like eight minutes telling the stories. We already talked

1242
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 7: about the garbage can assembly and all that, and that

1243
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 7: was good practice for it. But I was nervous for

1244
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 7: that night until the first joke worked, and then I wasn't.

1245
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 7: I just said, hey, I was backstays with Fred Couples

1246
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 7: working on a swing. You should look for noticeable improvement

1247
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty five from Fred. He's coming around, he's listening,

1248
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 7: you know. I just he was the next guy. He

1249
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 7: was getting the same alward GRIFFI gout, but I got

1250
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 7: over pretty quick. I think I could be better because

1251
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 7: I was too fast, you know, like there's a certain

1252
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 7: pacing you need to do. We got to see Nate

1253
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 7: Bergotzi in Vegas last week. Now he knows what he's doing.

1254
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 7: He's pretty damn funny. If you haven't seen much.

1255
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: Of him, yeah, I've seen a little bit of him

1256
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: and he does seem to be quite funny. So as

1257
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: you are, you know, you have these projects that you're

1258
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: involved with.

1259
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: How do you you know? How do you want this

1260
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: third act? I guess we can call it that. How

1261
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: do you want this third act to go?

1262
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 7: I just want to keep doing stuff. I'm like I'd

1263
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 7: be bored one we don't have enough money, just do

1264
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 7: whatever we want forever. We're not that kind of money.

1265
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 7: We're okay enough to make it for a while. But

1266
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 7: a I think I'm better at what I do now

1267
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 7: at this age than I ever was. Like, I'm smarter,

1268
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 7: I know how, I'm more efficient. I think I have

1269
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 7: a million ideas. We're I have like eleven maybe projects

1270
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 7: going right now. God knows if any of them happened,

1271
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 7: but at least we got in front of people. And

1272
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 7: so I want to keep doing something. But I love

1273
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 7: this model that I made up of, make a funny

1274
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 7: little documentary, make an act that works before and my

1275
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 7: hope is like the movie Waiting for Guffman. I want

1276
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 7: Guffman to show up one day and go, that was funny,

1277
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 7: that was a seventy minute thing that should be on TV.

1278
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 7: So that truly is like the thing I'm reaching for

1279
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 7: with this project now. And I have another documentary I'm

1280
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 7: trying to get somebody to support that could be really stupid,

1281
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 7: as well as whiffle Wall, and like, make that be

1282
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 7: the model. Go take a month or two to make something,

1283
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 7: then build something bigger around it while I continue to

1284
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 7: maybe do some other things. I have allegedly a podcast

1285
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 7: thing happening soon, but I can't really talk about it

1286
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 7: until it's happening, but hopefully that happens soon.

1287
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Speaker 2: Any desire to go back to broadcasting in any traditional sense, I.

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Speaker 7: Don't think so. I mean, it's nothing against what they're doing.

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 7: It's just I think after having left it. It's almost

1290
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 7: been four years almost, you know, when I left, the

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Speaker 7: first thing I did well, First, I just like, what

1292
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 7: the fuck did I just do? Then I made a commercial.

1293
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 7: You know the group Ollipop, you know, the low sugar pop,

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01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 7: So this is funny. I was on Levatard Show the

1295
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 7: day after I twitter announced that I'm leaving, and he said,

1296
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 7: what are you going to do? You're crazy, you know,

1297
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 7: And I said, I don't know. You know, make commercials,

1298
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 7: you know, pitch myself, you know, I'll figure out something.

1299
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 7: I'm going to be aggressive, and I got a bunch

1300
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 7: of ideas. I said, I like to do a commercial

1301
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 7: for Ollipop, shout out Ollipop and just being silly. I

1302
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 7: wasn't even all serious, but they heard about it. Ended

1303
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 7: up talking to the guy right over there by the

1304
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 7: grill the next day, pitched him the idea over the phone.

1305
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 7: Shot it two days later started airing, like four days later.

1306
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 7: That never happens, right, Like, that's just such in the remarkable.

1307
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 7: But you know, I had all the gambling places called

1308
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 7: it was the right time for the world of gambling,

1309
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 7: and had a whole bunch of different things that I

1310
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 7: might have put my time into. Caesar's just sort of

1311
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 7: made the most sense. It was back in Vegas. I

1312
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 7: went to school there. It was a fun couple years.

1313
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 7: It went away though. They did it as long as

1314
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 7: they wanted to do it, and then they stopped. But

1315
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 7: that's fine. It was fun. Who all lasted.

1316
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Kitty, let's talk about you and the cookout,

1317
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: all right, because as you know, these advice to the cookout,

1318
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: as in for those who are unaware, the cookout meaning

1319
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: where the black.

1320
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: People gather for food festivities and shenanigans.

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01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, I have several. In fact, I usually quote you.

1322
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 7: I said, look, I may them cookout invice. Jamelle even

1323
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 7: gave me a plus one when she was really you know.

1324
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 2: Big, I gave you a plus one, which is saying

1325
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: something because number one on the list of things that

1326
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 2: are asked when black people are about to attend the

1327
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: cookout is who are all going to be there because

1328
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: that matters, and you know, maybe a peak hexith if

1329
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: he actually has some quote duys around, he would know

1330
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: rule number one of the group chat. When you get

1331
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 2: in a group chat, you see numbers you don't recognize,

1332
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 2: you like all in here. But he didn't understand that.

1333
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 7: What's funny is everybody has done that, right though they

1334
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 7: just did it at kind of a higher level. We've

1335
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 7: all fucked up and included that person that either are

1336
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 7: you know, don't want anything to do with that day.

1337
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 7: But I'll tell you what It's funny. We say always

1338
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 7: this is always said kind of in a joking way,

1339
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 7: this whole cookout notion, especially you know if a white

1340
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 7: person gets in. But it's also a serious thing, like

1341
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 7: I like, like sincerely. I grew up my dad worked

1342
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 7: at the airport. We would have the party for the

1343
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 7: you know, the daytime party and a nighttime party for

1344
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 7: the different shifts. We had every kind of person there

1345
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 7: and thought nothing of it. Like just that's how I

1346
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,439
Speaker 7: grew up. And it's funny when you tell the story

1347
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:11,959
Speaker 7: that way, is that I have a lot of black friends.

1348
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 7: It's not like that. It's more I think at a

1349
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 7: very early age, I was taught treat every the same

1350
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 7: black people, white people, Asian people, gay people, streat people

1351
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 7: whatever they are, because they were all there and they

1352
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 7: were always in my life from a very young age.

1353
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 7: So and then I played football. All my running backs

1354
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 7: and receivers, we call them the running blacks. They called

1355
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 7: themselves the running Blacks. They were all from Englewood and

1356
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 7: Compton and whatnot, San Francisco. So yeah, to me, it

1357
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 7: was you treat people regularly and you get treated back

1358
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 7: that way. So that's why certain people will get invited

1359
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 7: to the cookout. That would be my explanation of it.

1360
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1361
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: Well it's also really is just our way of saying

1362
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: that we consider you an ally. And I know personally

1363
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: that when shit went down that you were standing in

1364
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: the paint for me internally, externally, all those things, and

1365
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: so I always appreciated that. But what I've wanted to

1366
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: always ask you about the theoretical cookout. If you were

1367
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: actually going to a cookout where you know, you know,

1368
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: as black folks get down, what's the first food you're

1369
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: going for when you're at the cookout.

1370
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, I'd bring dice. I'd bring the dice.

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01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: Oh oh hell yeah, you definitely bring okay, right, Because

1372
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 2: this is the other thing that white people need to

1373
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: understand about the cookout. You have to work your way

1374
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 2: up to binging a food item. More often than that,

1375
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 2: you will not be allowed to bring a food but cups,

1376
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: paper plates, dice cards. Absolutely, yes, we bring.

1377
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 7: Some good wine. Gretcham would pick out good wine. I

1378
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 7: bring dice. I'd pray wear like a T shirt with

1379
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 7: you know, some kind of emblem on it, you know,

1380
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 7: not try too hard.

1381
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: Don't try too hard.

1382
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, no collar shirt, no sweater around my waist, and

1383
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 7: I don't no.

1384
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: No, please, don't do that.

1385
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:59,040
Speaker 7: The joke I always see is about the raisins in

1386
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 7: the salad. It's like, yeah, raisins shouldn't be in anything.

1387
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 7: They raisins are okay if you're like playing softball and

1388
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 7: you need a snack and you have some raisins out

1389
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 7: of a small box, and then I question it. Don't

1390
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,919
Speaker 7: put raisins in fucking cookies. Don't put nuts. I love nuts,

1391
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 7: I love peanuts, I love walnuts. I don't want them

1392
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 7: in a cookie. I want them over here in their

1393
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 7: own thing. They should just be all a cart. So

1394
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 7: I hate the inclusion of raisins or nuts in anything

1395
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 7: they don't belong in. But I think additionally, I always

1396
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 7: thought the cookout, there's a connotation that was going to

1397
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 7: be a deeper meaning, the entirety of the event was

1398
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 7: deeper than just a generic barbecue.

1399
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: That's however, oh that is that is a perfect read

1400
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: on that because there will be dancing, there will be music,

1401
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: there will be liquor, there will be shit talking, there

1402
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: will be dice, there.

1403
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: Will be cards.

1404
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 7: I think I'll win the day with my music selections.

1405
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 7: I think that's I think that's the way to get in.

1406
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: That's the way to get in.

1407
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 4: You.

1408
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: First of all, you break a collection of Stevie Wonder

1409
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: you in or request a collection.

1410
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: And I know that's your man.

1411
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 4: Well, you know what.

1412
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 7: I was at a weed store in Las Vegas and

1413
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 7: they had a DJ. This is just the other day,

1414
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 7: and I said do you take requests? And he said, yeah,

1415
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 7: what what do you got? I said, play fuck Donald

1416
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 7: Trump and he just blasted it.

1417
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: See, and that's why, Kenny, you're invited to the cookout?

1418
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 6: All right?

1419
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: Before I get you out of here, because I'm having

1420
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: such a good time, I like to end the podcast

1421
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: by asking my guests what I call a messy question.

1422
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 2: This is the question, Kenny, that will get us on

1423
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: all the blogs, that will get us.

1424
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: To make all the headlines.

1425
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 2: All right, So this is the messy question, and that

1426
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: would be Kenny. You spent twenty plus years or so

1427
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: at ESPN. Give me, and you cannot name yourself, give

1428
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,439
Speaker 2: me your top five sports center anchors.

1429
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 4: Of all time?

1430
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 7: Oh man, do I even want to do that?

1431
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1432
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 7: You got to do it anyway, Dan and Keith. Okay,

1433
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 7: I'm just going to old school and I'm going to

1434
01:07:57,640 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 7: leave a lot of people out.

1435
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: It's the nature of a top five. Everybody can't be

1436
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: in the top five, can't have twenty in the top five.

1437
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: Five is five, and it's your five.

1438
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 7: This isn't necessarily one through five. Just these are on

1439
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 7: the just I didn't.

1440
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to write them.

1441
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 7: We take over another American uh, you know, a Native

1442
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 7: American land and do a monument to people. Will put

1443
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 7: these people up there, Okay, Burman, Bob Lee, Dan, Keith

1444
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 7: Stewart with Van Pelt coming in for Stuart since he

1445
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:31,799
Speaker 7: has passed.

1446
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so.

1447
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying, all right, that that is

1448
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 2: a very credible and wonderful top five. I can't wait

1449
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 2: for the headline to be Kinney main shades every esp.

1450
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: And Acre, not these five.

1451
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 7: You know what, I thought. It was a fun interview

1452
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 7: and we know each other, so it's easy, just like talking.

1453
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 7: I was just getting prepared for my political diet tribe

1454
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 7: the whole time. But we did it. We did it

1455
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 7: in the margins. I think we know where we are.

1456
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what Twitter. I tried to back out

1457
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 7: of Twitter entirely. You know Sarah Kensey or the author,

1458
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 7: she's great, Yeah, and she I asked her, I said,

1459
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 7: what is your take on bailing it from Twitter or

1460
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 7: staying on Twitter? And her she had a great answer

1461
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 7: because she's, you know, she's a true historian at this point,

1462
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 7: right the thing she has studied. And she was like,

1463
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 7: it's terrible, but you need to stay. It's part of

1464
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 7: the public record. If we just walk away from it,

1465
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 7: all everything goes away, right. I was just more, I

1466
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 7: appreciate where you're coming from, but I'm like mental health,

1467
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 7: Like I like blue Sky, I need to have somebody

1468
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 7: teach me how to fuck do you use Instagram? No idea?

1469
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,799
Speaker 7: It doesn't make any sense to me. Threads are stupid.

1470
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 7: I hate Facebook. So I'm just going to meet people

1471
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 7: in the corner. You know, we're just going to talk.

1472
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 2: Don't worry, We'll we'll find you well, Kenny, thanks again,

1473
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 2: I appreciate you joining me and so people, How can

1474
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,519
Speaker 2: people see you in New York with these jokes plus

1475
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: sing the wiffleball doc.

1476
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's April twenty fourth, the coveted ten thirty at

1477
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 7: night slot. But New York City, that's not a crazy time.

1478
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 7: That's you know, almost like Vegas. It's called the Pit,

1479
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:26,799
Speaker 7: the People's Improv Theater. So go the Pit dash NYC

1480
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 7: dot com and you can see. So hopefully it goes well.

1481
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 7: And tonight, I know you're running this at whenever you

1482
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 7: run this, But as we tape tonight on a Wednesday,

1483
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 7: Jeremy Shapp mel Pal is interviewing me at a library

1484
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 7: in southern Connecticut. It's a fun event. It's you know,

1485
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 7: like when they bring in an author or whatever. In

1486
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 7: my case, they're going to show my movie, Jeremy. I'm

1487
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 7: prepared for Jeremy's questions. I didn't tell them what to ask,

1488
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 7: just see what happens.

1489
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I have a feeling that's going to be

1490
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: an amazing and incredible interview again.

1491
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: Can I thank you enough? Kenny?

1492
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: I know you're really busy, and hopefully at some point

1493
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 2: we will get to work together again.

1494
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 4: I hope so too.

1495
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: One more segment to go, and you guys know what

1496
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: that means.

1497
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: I got questions to answer up next, your viewer slash

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Speaker 2: listener questions, and I have plenty of answers coming up

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Speaker 2: next on the final segment of Spolatives. All right, finally

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Speaker 2: the final segment here and you know what it is,

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Speaker 2: Time to answer question from one of you. This question

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Speaker 2: comes from acch for DC, who asked this question via

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Speaker 2: Blue Sky. Actually, he asked me a few questions. I

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Speaker 2: just chose one of them, but here's one of them.

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Speaker 2: When do student athletes slash families boycott schools that get

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Speaker 2: rid of DEI or have trans bands? Okay, so I've

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Speaker 2: seen this question post a few times about what student

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Speaker 2: athletes should do now that you have seen so many

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Speaker 2: different universities and schools eliminate DEI, and you brought up

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Speaker 2: also the trans band. Now University of Michigan, I know,

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Speaker 2: is like the latest school to get rid of all

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Speaker 2: of their DEI departments, they announced that they were sort

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Speaker 2: of de emphasizing DI across the board and a few

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Speaker 2: people's surface. Well, if that's the case, why are black

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Speaker 2: college athletes in particular, But I'm just not going to

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Speaker 2: put it on them. Why are athletes in particular who

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Speaker 2: may be believe in DEI why are they continuing to

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Speaker 2: play at these schools when they have made it clear

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Speaker 2: that beyond what they can do from them from an

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Speaker 2: entertainment standpoint, they have no interest in having people like

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Speaker 2: them on campus or trying to recruit people like them

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Speaker 2: to come to campus. All right, to that, I say this,

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Speaker 2: I think it's unfair to ask athletes, athletes who have

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Speaker 2: been working their entire lives for the opportunity to go

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Speaker 2: to college on a scholarship, which leads them in a

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Speaker 2: considerably greater position than a lot of people who wind

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Speaker 2: up with a lot of college debt, or a lot

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Speaker 2: of people don't even have the opportunity to go to

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Speaker 2: college period. It is unfair to ask them to give

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Speaker 2: that up when there are people, you know, regular citizens

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Speaker 2: who don't have athletic powers or who are not wanted

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Speaker 2: because of their athleticism, when they also can wage a fight,

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Speaker 2: a campaign, a boycott.

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Speaker 1: They can do the same things and still cost these

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Speaker 1: schools money.

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Speaker 2: I will say that I understand why people want the

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Speaker 2: athletes to lead the charge, because if we're being honest

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Speaker 2: when it comes to leverage, one of the few spaces

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Speaker 2: of leverage that black people have in particular is through

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Speaker 2: sports and entertainment, especially at the college level. Now you

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Speaker 2: see what's happening on a broader standpoint at these colleges

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Speaker 2: and universities.

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Speaker 1: They are always hungry for funding.

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Speaker 2: We know that a lot of these new buildings on

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Speaker 2: these campuses don't get built unless they have a good

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Speaker 2: sports team, or unless they're donors that are emotionally and

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Speaker 2: financially invested into what their sports teams do.

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Speaker 1: And so it kind of reminds me of something that Steve.

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Speaker 2: Spurrier said back when he was coach at Florida, and

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Speaker 2: somebody asked him why he thought it was justified that

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Speaker 2: a college coach made millions of dollars compared to faculty

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Speaker 2: members who made a fraction of that, and I think

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Speaker 2: he said something along the lines, up, will you let

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Speaker 2: me know the next time a chemistry professor can pack

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Speaker 2: out eighty thousand people in the stadium.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of truth to that.

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Speaker 2: So we know that sports is important to every university,

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Speaker 2: and we know especially at universities like Michigan, which recently

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Speaker 2: won a national championship two years ago, national championship in football.

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Speaker 1: That is, we know how much they value their football program.

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Speaker 2: And so while it's unfair to ask the athletes, the

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Speaker 2: truth is it will work because we know that.

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Speaker 1: They don't want to seed any ground when it comes

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Speaker 1: to sports.

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Speaker 2: The prospect of college football player not choosing to go

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Speaker 2: to a university because of their anti DEI stance, that

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Speaker 2: would rattle a lot of cages. That would shake things up,

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Speaker 2: and it might actually inspire a lot of these administrations

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Speaker 2: at colleges to fight against this strong DEI ban that

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Speaker 2: is coming strictly that is being spearheaded rather by the government.

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Speaker 2: So it's unfair to ask, but I get the strategy

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Speaker 2: because you know it will work.

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Speaker 1: I'll give a small example and why I believe it

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Speaker 1: would actually work.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there was a running back at old Miss

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Speaker 2: whose name is just escaped me, but it was a

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Speaker 2: running back at ol Miss, and he was the best

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Speaker 2: running back on the team.

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Speaker 1: And he said that he wasn't going to play that

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Speaker 1: season for Old miss.

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Speaker 2: This was in the off season where he made this

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Speaker 2: announcement as long as the state had the Confederate fag

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Speaker 2: So guess what happened the campus They took down, you know,

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Speaker 2: using the Confederate flag.

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Speaker 1: I believe they changed the Mississippi's flag.

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Speaker 2: Just because this one athlete who was a very value

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Speaker 2: football players said that he was not going to play

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Speaker 2: if that Confederate flag stood.

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Speaker 1: So you know that these universities and people respond to that.

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Speaker 2: I just have a hard problem myself asking athletes to

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Speaker 2: put up that sacrifice. You know, what I would say

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Speaker 2: is that if you're a fan of one of these

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Speaker 2: teams that have decided that they're going to take this

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Speaker 2: stance as it relates to DEI, you also have the

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Speaker 2: power to not watch, You have the power to not

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Speaker 2: buy their merchandise, you have the power to not go

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Speaker 2: to their stadium. And if you're a student that got

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Speaker 2: into University of Michigan, I presume that you're a student

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Speaker 2: that can probably go a lot of different places. So collectively,

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Speaker 2: you can't just have the athletes always make the sacrifice

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Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 1: You know, other people have to be involved. It's not

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Speaker 1: just on them, it's on everybody. All right.

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