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Speaker 1: Scales. Sure, it's hello, No, No, No, and Lollo. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Naughty but Nic Show. I'm your host, Rob Shooter.

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Speaker 1: Normally on Thursday's Idea Friend, Mark Lupo joins us, but

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Speaker 1: today I'm going to do a solo show because we

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Speaker 1: have massive breaking news, maybe the biggest news we've done

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Speaker 1: on the Naughty but Nice Show. Wow. Prince Andrew, the

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Speaker 1: former Prince Andrew has been arrested on his sixty sixth

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Speaker 1: birthday over the Epstein Links misconduct allegations. Silver King's brother

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Speaker 1: has been taken into custody as police probe confidential trade documents.

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Speaker 1: So let me explain exactly what's going on here. It's

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Speaker 1: a stunning development. Former Prince Andrew has been arrested on

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Speaker 1: his sixty sixth birthday on suspicion of misconduct in public

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Speaker 1: office related to his past associations with Jeffrey according to

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Speaker 1: UK authorities, Playing clothes officers arrived early Thursday. It's Thursday

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Speaker 1: today in Britain. Let's remember they are five hours ahead.

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Speaker 1: That's why we are playing catch up Thursday at the

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Speaker 1: been kicked out finally of the Royal Lodge. He went

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Speaker 1: you have to move. Well, they placed him. They placed

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Speaker 1: The police got him there playing clothes officers. Multiple un

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Speaker 1: The police confirmed that Andrew Mountbattam Windsor remains in custody.

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Speaker 1: He's in custody right now. The allegations center on claims

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Speaker 1: during Andrew's time as a UK Trade Envoy. A UK

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Speaker 1: Trade Envoy under the Official Secret Acts, such material must

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Speaker 1: complicated Andrew Andrew worked as a UK trade envoy. They

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Speaker 1: It's a job that doesn't really exist. It's a job

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Speaker 1: What experience does she have doing this? I'm going to

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