Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, twenty four,
Speaker 1: episode five of Dally's stay production of iHeartRadio. This is
Speaker 1: a podcast where we take a deep dive into America
Speaker 1: share consciousness. Who else is but America. It's February ninth, Friday,
Speaker 1: February ninth, twenty twenty four, Friday Final Friday, Friday, am I.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe go hit up a tgi F to
Speaker 2: see if they serve National cut the Cord Day, which
Speaker 2: that's what that is. I think that's basically again I think,
Speaker 2: oh this is from when sling was a thing like
Speaker 2: a snakebox for your.
Speaker 1: TV cutt an old cord from cable. You know, you
Speaker 1: allen deal on that being a national day. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah.
Speaker 2: It's still in effect. It's founded in twenty fifteen. There's
Speaker 2: got one more one more year. Also National Pizza Day. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can get behind that National bagel in locks Day.
Speaker 2: I can get behind that. And National Toothache Day. With
Speaker 2: the amount of fucking Annie's Birthday cake bunnies I'm eating,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe having a toothchache as well.
Speaker 1: But you now have the little colorful flex in your
Speaker 1: teeth like they've transitioned over. So your teeth are birthday
Speaker 1: cake flavored teeth. Yeah, thank you, and I always aspired
Speaker 1: to have flavored teeth. Just suck on those, get at
Speaker 1: these coffers. It's about to be pizza National Pizza Day
Speaker 1: up in this house because the super Bowl is happening.
Speaker 1: I will be ordering Dominoes because I am not proud,
Speaker 1: and it's also an adventure, except on Super Bowl Sunday,
Speaker 1: at which point it becomes like sometimes they'll put all
Speaker 1: the ingredients, like all the cheese will be on one
Speaker 1: piece of the pizza and all this on another, and
Speaker 1: then the rest will just look like a de joor no.
Speaker 1: But anyway, my name is Jack O'Brien aka. She gives
Speaker 1: me a sugar re Confections on the fourteenth And now
Speaker 1: I've been eating on this heart shaped chalk for a
Speaker 1: week now and now now Bom, we've been having conversations
Speaker 1: with words on hearts, and now I wish I could
Speaker 1: have some chocolate or just sweet tarts. Nana, and come
Speaker 1: on mine, you are my Valentine. Why are they still
Speaker 1: demand and we call this shit candy? You're fine, Please
Speaker 1: be my Valentine? Why are they still demand and we
Speaker 1: call this shit candy?
Speaker 2: A Kevin on.
Speaker 1: The Discord heart shaped box about heart shaped candy, heart
Speaker 1: shaped chocks. Yeah, an ak for that came up earlier
Speaker 1: in the week and it was independent of it being
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day. This sprinked taint. Two heart shaped box ak's
Speaker 1: in a week. I believe that one was courtesy of
Speaker 1: Cleo Universe the first one and now Kevin coming through
Speaker 1: the Discord shout few. Our guest said that he enjoys
Speaker 1: the fact that we make our listeners rite us ak's
Speaker 1: is accurate. They every for people who aren't familiar with
Speaker 1: the process. These are all written at gunpoint miles but
Speaker 1: four miles a night. Yeah, so we we appreciate y'all
Speaker 1: and that you're able to do it under such duress.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
Speaker 1: host mister Miles.
Speaker 2: Grab Miles Gray, horseshet scoop and poop up with my hands.
Speaker 1: Sniffee, need a candle, love this smell poop man, darn't
Speaker 1: darn't darren'tdam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mm hmm hell he's secret full poo man. I
Speaker 2: know you said, Hey, Jack, why don't you do that?
Speaker 2: I said, Look, man, if I get a chance to.
Speaker 1: Do it man too.
Speaker 2: I'll do it. I'll do it. Don't look you don't
Speaker 2: threaten me with a good time. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, Miles. We are thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: in their third seats by a TV producer who's worked
Speaker 1: all over reality TV, including Real Housewives of New York,
Speaker 1: Real Houses in New Jersey, also one of the hosts
Speaker 1: of the very funny podcast Fixing Famous People.
Speaker 2: It's Chris the Rows. Gentlemen welcome.
Speaker 3: I love the songs. I love the songs. I ain't
Speaker 3: to go on record. I really do love the song.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you so much. And what's your what's
Speaker 2: your song? Okay, go ahead, you get.
Speaker 3: But you guys really do give it. You're all in them,
Speaker 3: which I appreciate, Like you could be phoning it and
Speaker 3: you're not.
Speaker 2: No, we can't have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely have phoned it in before. But Miles's mom
Speaker 1: complimented my vocals recently, and now I feel like I
Speaker 1: have a lot to live up to.
Speaker 2: So yeah, was it. I met jay Z now and
Speaker 2: I'm never gonna fail. That's what you got to compliment
Speaker 2: for my mom.
Speaker 1: Never gonna fail now, never gonna fail. Yeah, my vocal
Speaker 1: coach and I are just you know, we're pretty proud
Speaker 1: of the progress we're making.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, what money, well spent, I'll say money. I
Speaker 2: need you up here, Chris.
Speaker 1: Where are you coming to us from Hoboken, New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Hoboken, that's what I like to say, like street fighter.
Speaker 2: I don't know if people do that, but that's me.
Speaker 1: They liked Cane to inform you. They do not absolutely,
Speaker 1: but it's gone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. That's from that's for my gamers
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of people will say Hoboken that don't
Speaker 3: know it, and it's like one of the only words
Speaker 3: that much like hollandaise sauce, where it's a three syllable
Speaker 3: word that has the stress on the first sello.
Speaker 1: All up front, yeah, business and party all up front?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, or like a problematic Barbie doll, it's Hoboken. Yes, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll have an overweight No, well, break that up in
Speaker 2: our minds. How's the weather there, you guys experiencing any
Speaker 2: kind of inclement weather?
Speaker 3: No, it's cold, but other than that, we're good to go.
Speaker 3: I feel like you guys are being swept away at
Speaker 3: every moment.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, we have a. We had a we have
Speaker 2: a bit of respite, okay, actually, and I think it's
Speaker 2: it's actually smooth sailing from now on. I think at
Speaker 2: least the forecast is.
Speaker 1: I had somewhere to go last night around eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: It started raining at like seven thirty, and immediately my
Speaker 1: phone gave me a warning that there was like a
Speaker 1: flash flood and I should leave my house.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, la, come on.
Speaker 3: Then, you know when we get that, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: like whatever, I should just wear my rain boots where
Speaker 3: you guys, it's so funny, like we we make fun
Speaker 3: of you guys so much.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 3: It's like the minute there's rain, it's like your whole
Speaker 3: world shuts down.
Speaker 2: I have I just bought a raincoat like eight months ago.
Speaker 3: Well you don't need one usually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in a car and you're like fuck it,
Speaker 2: run into the grocery store.
Speaker 3: I run like multiple rain outfits, like for casual, fancy,
Speaker 3: et cetera. You guys like never need any of that.
Speaker 2: Well, I realize now I should invest in some gore
Speaker 2: Tex pants or some waterproof type.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, you'll never go back. They are so even the
Speaker 3: north face gor Tex pant. You'll never ever go back.
Speaker 3: It is the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need water. I have the jacket and then
Speaker 2: like I just walked and then all the water just
Speaker 2: basically just you know, just you know, beat it off
Speaker 2: the jacket onto my thighs. And I was wearing sweatpants,
Speaker 2: so it looked like I was just in crisis.
Speaker 3: It's I have been in the rain filming a show
Speaker 3: so many times. Like you're in a raincoat, you have
Speaker 3: your rain boots, and then your legs are soaking wet.
Speaker 3: The pants are a game change. Yeah, for sure you
Speaker 3: look insane, but they're a game changing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need seats. I didn't do enough field producing
Speaker 2: to get me to appreciate the pants that are waterproof
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Or like the long trench, I feel like there's another
Speaker 1: strong move.
Speaker 3: He caught and stuff the wind blows. It's not the same.
Speaker 2: But think about where the trench ends, right, If it
Speaker 2: ends like below the knee, then shin down, it's trench tower. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got waterproof pants. You say that like you're
Speaker 2: like you're you're dubious about a waterproof plant, water waterproof
Speaker 2: water pants.
Speaker 1: Nah, I don't. I mean, I have ski pants.
Speaker 3: You just walk out and ski not the same the same,
Speaker 3: but I.
Speaker 1: Wear like I I wear this shell to my ski jacket.
Speaker 1: That's my rain gear basically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right economical, Yeah, thats exactly exactly. All right, Chris.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in the moment. First, I tell our listeners a couple
Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about. We got some good
Speaker 1: news about those moms for Liberty. We just want to
Speaker 1: check in with them. Joe Biden has inadvertently revealed a superpower,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: I just want to pick your brain about the casting
Speaker 1: process for reality TV after I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: the current Bachelor, but one of a bachelor. One of
Speaker 1: the bachelors recently confused Gypsy Rose Blancher for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Speaker 3: I feel like you guys put that in just for me,
Speaker 3: which I appre.
Speaker 2: We did well. And we're also laughing too, We're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: how the At first we were like, who the fuck
Speaker 2: are they confusing Ruth Bader Ginsburg for? And we started
Speaker 2: like what the And then we saw the clip and
Speaker 2: We're like, ah, okay, you got it's funny.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a fun time discussion.
Speaker 2: And also I'm I'm I'm a reality television freak. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not too outside of the wheelhouse to discuss reality
Speaker 2: television on this show. No, not at all.
Speaker 1: Uh, all of that plenty more. But first, Chris, we
Speaker 1: do like to ask our guest, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history?
Speaker 3: Mine is either like a how to of an Apple product,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like I'm like can my computer do this?
Speaker 3: And I'm always googling, like what do how do I
Speaker 3: do this on my computer? Instead of just like going
Speaker 3: to the frequently Asked Questions or trying to get help,
Speaker 3: I'm just always on like a Reddit thread about something
Speaker 3: with an Apple product, yeah, or I think something that
Speaker 3: makes more sense about who I am as I'm always googling,
Speaker 3: like fun restaurants in this neighborhood of New York City
Speaker 3: because I'm always looking for like locations to be filming
Speaker 3: something in. So I'm always like restaurants that just opened
Speaker 3: to New York and then like calling every single one
Speaker 3: of them to be like, Hi, do you want reality
Speaker 3: television cameras in your restaurant?
Speaker 2: How does that, Like, how how often are they a
Speaker 2: yes on that?
Speaker 3: Usually it depends you either get we I like to
Speaker 3: say DTF down to film, So you're either a DTF
Speaker 3: or or not. Yeah, and either a place once the
Speaker 3: publicity and wants it, which it can really help, or
Speaker 3: it's a place that's like, no, we don't want, like
Speaker 3: we don't want our customers like being distracted by your stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So like, typically I'm guessing that that is like
Speaker 2: a decent proposition if you're like, because you're also looking
Speaker 2: for newer restaurants, I could use a little bit of
Speaker 2: bump and exposure too, and then you're like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe we can you know work.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do they have a no wine glass thrown in the
Speaker 1: face cloth?
Speaker 3: Surprisingly, no, no one has ever like really done that.
Speaker 3: I don't really think. I mean no one Housewives. They
Speaker 3: do throw wine glass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can splash the one in the other person's face,
Speaker 1: but you have to talk about how crisp it is,
Speaker 1: how buttery service was.
Speaker 3: Ninety nine times out of one hundred, like there's no
Speaker 3: nothing is thrown. So usually we're good to go. But
Speaker 3: it depends it either they really want the press in
Speaker 3: the sense of like they opened it a couple months ago,
Speaker 3: and now like their initial press is dying down and
Speaker 3: so they want something like drum it up again. Or
Speaker 3: it's a restaurant that's like we love this because tourists
Speaker 3: come here and want to eat where the housewives have eat, right,
Speaker 3: which is like a huge thing. Like it really does work.
Speaker 3: So a lot of a lot of places will be
Speaker 3: like after it airs, they'll they'll email me and be like,
Speaker 3: you guys, come back whenever you want, because I've been
Speaker 3: book solid for a month.
Speaker 2: Right right right. In a way, it's like the same
Speaker 2: thinking like I do as a political consultant, and you're
Speaker 2: looking at candidates and you're like, this person might be
Speaker 2: ripe to endorse this one because they kind of need it.
Speaker 2: And then you.
Speaker 1: Approach them and they're like yeah, ah you review.
Speaker 2: You're like, yes, yes, you're in trouble. You have a challenger.
Speaker 2: Good good to come to us. We have pack money well,
Speaker 2: And I was just thinking it was the whole are
Speaker 2: we like the trope of the throwing of the wine
Speaker 2: with the housewives? Does that start with Teresa Judice on
Speaker 2: New Jersey? Is that kind of like the beginning of.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like the tropes started before anything,
Speaker 3: right Like, it kind of was that without like, I
Speaker 3: can't tell you one time where that happened, where it
Speaker 3: turned into this is the biggest parody of everything, right right,
Speaker 3: Yes we have a table flip, but that's not like
Speaker 3: throwing wine in someone's face situation. But it's very I
Speaker 3: don't know, there is I would challenge a Bravo head
Speaker 3: to like show me the first wine being from because
Speaker 3: it's not in season one of any of these shows. No,
Speaker 3: like from back in the day. It kind of became
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I want to say it.
Speaker 3: I want to say it's a little unfair of a characterization. However,
Speaker 3: has it happened many times since started?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, right Like, that's the way it is.
Speaker 1: And a table flip is just that's just you know,
Speaker 1: expressing your emotions. And it was it was and it wasn't.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't a table flip though, if we're going
Speaker 2: to tie, it was a getting it off two legs
Speaker 2: and then letting it drop down. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 2: a full flip.
Speaker 1: I try, and I like every it's not a good day.
Speaker 1: It's not. I haven't lived a full day unless I've
Speaker 1: left left, cried and flipped at least one table.
Speaker 2: While both.
Speaker 1: At the same time.
Speaker 2: Dear Diary, Another perfect day, Chris, what's something you think
Speaker 2: is overrated?
Speaker 3: Airport lounges.
Speaker 1: Airport lounges are overrated.
Speaker 3: They're so expensive to get into or you need to
Speaker 3: have a certain credit card, or you need to do this,
Speaker 3: or you need to do that, And then you get
Speaker 3: in there and you're like, this is it? Yes, Like
Speaker 3: I just poured myself out for for this, like boiled eggs,
Speaker 3: like in a little container and like shitty wine, And
Speaker 3: am I wrong?
Speaker 1: No, there's a huge there's huge variants.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's really nice ones, but even not for nothing,
Speaker 3: even the Centurion lounge sometimes in American in the American Express,
Speaker 3: like really nice lounge, you have to have the best
Speaker 3: card to get into. Like they're overrun. There's so many people,
Speaker 3: and like the food.
Speaker 2: Is so crowded.
Speaker 3: Often it's okay.
Speaker 2: I remember, so when I was traveling off with my
Speaker 2: old job, I was able to get status and like
Speaker 2: go to like a lounge, and I remember like the
Speaker 2: first one I went to, it was like sort of
Speaker 2: the dawn of everyone going to lounges, So like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was a place to sit down, you have some
Speaker 2: shitty toast or overcooked scrambled eggs, and yeah, like it
Speaker 2: seems like now there's like there's there's it's really lost
Speaker 2: its luster to the point where I'm like, I'm fine,
Speaker 2: just as long as I'm early enough, Can I sit
Speaker 2: down near the gate? Because there isn't that much of
Speaker 2: a difference, But like people are so into the lounge,
Speaker 2: like and way.
Speaker 3: You get there, and it's a disappointment.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say, yeah, don't Yeah. To that end,
Speaker 2: there's no need to aspire to the lounges. There are
Speaker 2: mere mirages that the airlines have set up, like to
Speaker 2: just get you to spend more money, just like how
Speaker 2: they've made the seats like smaller and smaller to be
Speaker 2: like you probably want to upgrade to like.
Speaker 3: Don't you want to pay another one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: dollars to have like a normal civilized to have to
Speaker 3: have one shred of dignity on this light? Don't you
Speaker 3: want to pay double? Yeah, double your original price?
Speaker 1: So they make the waiting area way worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like or would you like to go to
Speaker 2: our lounge? And you go and you're like, I don't
Speaker 2: get and feels.
Speaker 3: Like one half of a shred of dignity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where we don't have a Doberman pinchers just staring
Speaker 1: at you with the employee just holding them back.
Speaker 3: It's just not what it was.
Speaker 2: I know. There's like with one credit card. My partner
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, we should go to this lounge
Speaker 2: because I can get us in with a credit card.
Speaker 2: And I was like, is this why you got the
Speaker 2: credit cards? Like it was one of the perks and
Speaker 2: then you went and it was so it was just
Speaker 2: it's like a bait and switch and I'm like, no.
Speaker 3: I know exactly which one you're talking about, and it
Speaker 3: is those lounges are like, oh not even and they're
Speaker 3: so dirty and they're like run down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all because yeah, we're all just chasing like
Speaker 2: this like peep like you know, the consumer. Yeah exactly,
Speaker 2: and it's such a fucking mirage, like to the point
Speaker 2: where it's just we need to rise up and nationalize
Speaker 2: the airlines so all the seats can be normal.
Speaker 1: What uh what something you think is underratd.
Speaker 3: Chris experts like people valuing an expert's opinion. I know
Speaker 3: this is a little out of not not not as
Speaker 3: on the nose as airport lounges, but I feel like
Speaker 3: anymore people will ask me about TV shows or like
Speaker 3: storytelling or things in the media and be like, what
Speaker 3: do you think of this, and I'll give them my
Speaker 3: opinion and they'll be like, well, no, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, okay, never mind, Yeah, it's it's not
Speaker 3: what they want to hear. They're just like, oh, but
Speaker 3: don't you think this, And I'm like, no, I actually
Speaker 3: think exactly the opposite, and here's why, and they just
Speaker 3: that just doesn't it doesn't permeate, and it doesn't. They're like,
Speaker 3: just that doesn't agree with what they're into, and so
Speaker 3: they're just like, I'm gonna just set that aside and
Speaker 3: not even take it in.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, yeah, I mean it's like it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It take it takes a person to be able to
Speaker 2: hear a thing that they weren't prepared for and just
Speaker 2: be like, oh, that's new information or do the whatever
Speaker 2: Ostrich effect or whatever they call. No, actually, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just put my head on the ground because I don't
Speaker 2: like what you just said. And that's more comfortable for me.
Speaker 1: The well, that's just like your opinion man effect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dude the dude effect.
Speaker 3: And I feel like you guys have a lot of
Speaker 3: experts on this show in different ways and being we
Speaker 3: will tell me about this, and like you actually listen
Speaker 3: to them and like want to hear more and ask
Speaker 3: them follow up questions rather than just be like, but
Speaker 3: don't you actually think that blah blah blah is the
Speaker 3: thing I've been waiting to say the whole time.
Speaker 1: But you should hear after after they get off the
Speaker 1: Zoom call.
Speaker 2: Ship, right, Yeah, we're like doctor oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, oh, he produced reality television. Give me
Speaker 3: a fucking why should we trust? Why should we trust?
Speaker 3: His opinion on how that scene was filmed? On that season?
Speaker 3: He worked on that episode, He worked on Miles. I
Speaker 3: wish I was joking when I was like, I was
Speaker 3: there when you are, And they're like but and I'm like,
Speaker 3: there is no like I watched this happen in real life? Right,
Speaker 3: you don't want to believe what I'm telling you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, oh man.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Is there is there a scene from like
Speaker 1: reality show you've been on that has been analyzed like
Speaker 1: the Zapruder film.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a million of them. I don't even know.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of like an example, not not
Speaker 3: Zapruder film level, but there's definitely been stuff where it's
Speaker 3: like why did this person do this? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: because of this and they're like, huh, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of like a good example.
Speaker 1: Well, here's here's like a broad one is like why
Speaker 1: do they talk about the person like knowing that this
Speaker 1: is going to be on TV? What is it because
Speaker 1: the me they know that the messiness is like part
Speaker 1: of the product or is it people like you, Chris,
Speaker 1: the producers that's now are they a certain type of
Speaker 1: person who is just you know, like someone will leave
Speaker 1: the room and they'll like be like, well that bitch,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it's.
Speaker 3: Not it's not as again, I think that's something where
Speaker 3: we think it's like exactly that, and it's more that
Speaker 3: like there is always a reason that they're coming up
Speaker 3: in conversation, sure because of what happened in the last
Speaker 3: time that they saw them, or whatever happened over the
Speaker 3: time that we've not seen them, Like since we've been filming,
Speaker 3: we I saw this person at this place and blah blah,
Speaker 3: and it really is about if you want to go
Speaker 3: into like a Housewives realm, it really is just about
Speaker 3: their interpersonal relationships. And so it's like you are wanting
Speaker 3: to hear the opinion of them, and it's they know that.
Speaker 3: That's I mean, that is what they know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: about them being friends or lack thereof, or being in
Speaker 3: a fight or not being in a fight, exactly about
Speaker 3: them as a group of friends. And so like they
Speaker 3: know that what time.
Speaker 2: It is, and then they added calculus is am I
Speaker 2: willing to scream about it in the tell all you
Speaker 2: damn right? I am? Yeah, I will, so I'll say
Speaker 2: this shit right now to camp yeah, which like how the.
Speaker 1: First season of Survivor was about like people trying to
Speaker 1: figure shit out and survive, like the premise, the ostensible
Speaker 1: premise of that show, and then every season after that
Speaker 1: is like people who have studied the game of Survivor
Speaker 1: and are playing the game of.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah now it's like yeah, now it's like who
Speaker 3: is like the Wikipedia Survivor time is that by thirty
Speaker 3: and now here they.
Speaker 1: Are, Yeah, and they're gonna be great at the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Whereas like if I was like I've watched like
Speaker 3: most of the seasons. They're like, absolutely not. You can
Speaker 3: never come on the show, right yeah, Like they're like,
Speaker 3: you don't like want to stalk Jeff Probes, Like don't
Speaker 3: I don't think so?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah exactly, I mean we all want to stalk
Speaker 1: Jeff Probes.
Speaker 3: Don't wait, don't we king?
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: And the Moms for Liberty, we just you know, they
Speaker 1: had a high high at the beginning of the pandemic
Speaker 1: where it just seemed like they were taken over, and
Speaker 1: then there's just been these kind of brief check ins
Speaker 1: where it's it's like when the Titanic is thinking and
Speaker 1: like it just like you see the light blink, like
Speaker 1: when you're like, whoa, it's it's gone way the fuck
Speaker 1: down there, oh right, right right, you know, like yeah.
Speaker 2: It's lights are flickering, you know, the lights.
Speaker 1: Are flickering, and it's taken on a lot of water.
Speaker 2: It hasn't gone full vertical yet, but it's yeah. But
Speaker 2: the dudes are definitely like, it's been an honor to
Speaker 2: play with you gentlemen this evening. I feel like they're
Speaker 2: getting to that Point's good because you know, we talked
Speaker 2: about them the Moms Liberty are an extremist hate group.
Speaker 2: But that's just according to the snowflakes at the Southern
Speaker 2: Poverty Law Center. Okay, they would most likely describe themselves
Speaker 2: as concerned mothers who want to ensure the best outcomes
Speaker 2: for their children, with a bit of homophobia just sort
Speaker 2: of sprinkled on top. But yeah, like just said sprinkle
Speaker 2: this last. Yeah, I mean, it's it's baked in. It's
Speaker 2: the it's the outer covering of it. Yeah. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like you said, it started in twenty twenty one just
Speaker 2: in response to like school closures and masking and other
Speaker 2: COVID nineteen restrictions, and then their numbers grew quickly, and
Speaker 2: by twenty twenty two they had begun really causing problems
Speaker 2: in school board meetings and like winning local races. And
Speaker 2: you know, we were even talking like holy shit, like
Speaker 2: this is the raptors are testing the fences, and they're like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we can get in real easy at the
Speaker 2: school board level and do some damage. But like we said,
Speaker 2: even too, with a lot of these special elections, they've
Speaker 2: taken a turn like last year, their candidates weren't winning
Speaker 2: as many races and their co founder. One of their
Speaker 2: co founders, has found herself embroiled in a sex scandal
Speaker 2: that has led to many calling on her to resign
Speaker 2: from her position on this Aarrisota County school board. This
Speaker 2: is because her husband, Christian Ziegler, had been under investigation
Speaker 2: since October quote after a woman accused him of assaulting
Speaker 2: her at her apartment after she canceled a three way
Speaker 2: sexual encounter with him and his wife and of the
Speaker 2: group Yes Yes, the co founder of Moms for Liberty
Speaker 2: and the Sarasota Police Department apparently said last month he's
Speaker 2: not going to be charged with assault. But they did.
Speaker 2: They because they believed it to be quote likely consensual,
Speaker 2: which seems very and not likely. You're like, you're like,
Speaker 2: WHOA likely? It better be goddamn sure before you're like, yeah, likely.
Speaker 2: But they are charging him with like video voyeurism because
Speaker 2: apparently this encounter was videotaped, so it's very fucking murky,
Speaker 2: it's very dark, and this woman is in the middle
Speaker 2: of it, absolutely defying that like the like even the
Speaker 2: vote by the school other school board members who are
Speaker 2: like yeah, man, you gotta go. It's like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: not and I'm not gonna talk about it in any
Speaker 2: meetings either. Like she's been just being super vague at
Speaker 2: every subsequent school board.
Speaker 3: And this is a person leading the charge of like
Speaker 3: teachers are grooming our children, right exactly, yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 3: meanwhile she's like busting it wide open on video somewhere with.
Speaker 2: Yeah potentially or it may have just been him and
Speaker 2: the woman. Very the details aren't clear, but at the
Speaker 2: very least, it's like, yeah, while you're saying all these people,
Speaker 2: these teachers are groomers while seemingly being open to a
Speaker 2: sexual encounter with other women, It's like, well, interesting there,
Speaker 2: what's really going on here? But anyway, this has massively
Speaker 2: weakened her standing and the organizations also across the state
Speaker 2: and the nation. And at a recent school board meeting
Speaker 2: in Florida, like in a different part of Florida, one
Speaker 2: of the moms there's like only one Moms for Liberty
Speaker 2: members showed up to like a you know, a meeting
Speaker 2: that was about banning Slaughterhouse five, and the type runner
Speaker 2: like what and there's only one who's like, I think
Speaker 2: it's bad. It's Rotestua Da and she was severely outnumbered
Speaker 2: by parents that were against the ban, So like it
Speaker 2: became the meeting concluded pretty quickly when they saw there's
Speaker 2: like like one loan survivor of the Moms for Liberty
Speaker 2: chapter there, and they're like, oh, okay, so we're gonna
Speaker 2: keep the Vonnegut in the school for the kids there.
Speaker 2: Then if folks adjourned, So this is just kind of
Speaker 2: the momentum is kind of dying down, at least for
Speaker 2: this specific group. It doesn't mean that like hey, yay,
Speaker 2: the this kind of hate rhetoric is like weakening, just
Speaker 2: this specific group seems to be having issues. And then
Speaker 2: earlier this week in Pennsylvania, a chapter of Moms for
Speaker 2: Liberty that had over two hundred members at its peak,
Speaker 2: they decided to dissolve the local chapter after like the
Speaker 2: remaining three members met up at a diner and like,
Speaker 2: for me, like, okay, well, I guess people just are
Speaker 2: not hopped up on this ps anymore. Do we unanimously
Speaker 2: vote to dissolve it? They're like yes, And then the
Speaker 2: face of.
Speaker 1: Cameras were rolling on that meeting.
Speaker 3: Geeze, I mean that's that's a reality television scene. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're expecting forty five people and three show.
Speaker 2: Up, three show up, and you have like a buffet of.
Speaker 3: Tune amounts waiting for all these people, and know what,
Speaker 3: come on?
Speaker 2: All right, well, I guess we're going to dissolve it.
Speaker 3: Huh yeah.
Speaker 2: And in their Facebook post are like, if anyone wants
Speaker 2: to share it, the position's open, Like we just weren't
Speaker 2: fucking with it anymore, and know everyone, it would just
Speaker 2: been crickets. So it's just clear like in the beginning
Speaker 2: they were able to tap into something very real for
Speaker 2: a lot of these people, like over the frustrations of
Speaker 2: parents dealing with the early phase of the pandemic, regardless
Speaker 2: of if that, you know, anger was directed in the
Speaker 2: right place the right reasons. But then once they pivoted
Speaker 2: to accusing teachers of being groomers and banning books this cause,
Speaker 2: this began to make things wobble because like, you know,
Speaker 2: being a good parent, Like it's kind of a very
Speaker 2: nebulous concept. And while some people are like, no, I
Speaker 2: think the kids should go back to schol they're like, wait,
Speaker 2: what ban this Doctor Seuss book and racism didn't happen?
Speaker 2: Oh wait never, man, Well.
Speaker 3: Where do they go from here. That's my question, because
Speaker 3: they're not just going to go back and be like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to go back to my life. Like
Speaker 3: I think, what's the next thing that they're going to
Speaker 3: be outraged by? Is my question?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a good question. This though, one
Speaker 2: of the members who was part of the group that
Speaker 2: dissolved itself was just sort of like man between like
Speaker 2: homeschooling and my multiple jobs, Like I just don't have
Speaker 2: time to like, you know, just harass people at school
Speaker 2: board meeting. Yeah, just become this. My own schedule has
Speaker 2: really gotten just sort of clogged.
Speaker 3: And at the hand of this group, right, Like the
Speaker 3: homeschooling is because that's like school is not fit for
Speaker 3: my child because it's the devil, right, Yeah, that's liking
Speaker 3: too gay. Yeah, Like so what do you do that?
Speaker 3: It really sucks because it's like you're like ruining your
Speaker 3: own for them. It's like you're ruining your own supporters' lives.
Speaker 2: They're in the yeah, for the cause, you know, right,
Speaker 2: the Like So this one mom I was referring to
Speaker 2: that was in this like local chapter in Pennsylvania. She
Speaker 2: talked about this, like this quote from the Daily vice
Speaker 2: is so wild, it said. The calve shared the organization's
Speaker 2: views on book banning, in particular Push, a nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six novel based by Sapphire.
Speaker 1: We all o God.
Speaker 2: Push based on the novel Push by Sapphire, about a
Speaker 2: sixteen year old in Harlem who's pregnant with her second child. Vicclvey,
Speaker 2: who says she is not anti LGBTQ or racist, was
Speaker 2: more conflicted when it came to Moms for Liberty's opposition
Speaker 2: to gender neutral bathrooms. But that was not out of
Speaker 2: compassion for transgender or gender non conforming students. Her twelve
Speaker 2: year old son is autistic and she accompanies him into
Speaker 2: public bathrooms. Okay, so she's just like my there, It
Speaker 2: wasn't to do with like, it was just sort of
Speaker 2: my own narrow experience of having to go to another
Speaker 2: bathroom and like, so for there, I saw that. But
Speaker 2: also I'm not but it's not because I have like
Speaker 2: empathy for people that are you know, gender non conforming
Speaker 2: or transgender, Like that's that's what it is purely through
Speaker 2: my son, and I know that that's.
Speaker 3: The different one as far as the bathroom think goes.
Speaker 3: You know what's so great about so many restaurants in
Speaker 3: New York is that you don't have to wait in
Speaker 3: a humongous line, and then you look over at the
Speaker 3: other bathroom and it's like it's like tumbleweed going through
Speaker 3: the rather bathroom, Like when you have those ones that
Speaker 3: are just truly like the sink is in the middle,
Speaker 3: and then it's all the different stalls like for whoever.
Speaker 3: It's like you are in and out and you're on
Speaker 3: your day. Yeah, because that's it's just crazy that it's
Speaker 3: become this huge thing when it's so clearly is so
Speaker 3: much and much more efficient and easier. And like I
Speaker 3: remember growing up in the nineties, like there was like
Speaker 3: those some kid got kidnapped from like a guy waiting
Speaker 3: in a bathroom room and it was just the mom
Speaker 3: and the sun and the sun went in and like
Speaker 3: got stolen by some guy that was waiting in the bathroom.
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't exist if you can all just go
Speaker 3: in the same bathroom.
Speaker 2: Too, yeah, or at all, because that was probably some
Speaker 2: weird story. It was probably yeah, or it wasn't like
Speaker 2: where was the mom in that bathroom too?
Speaker 1: That guy was definitely driving a white van and we
Speaker 1: all heard about him driving around our neighborhoods when we were.
Speaker 2: The white man was in the bathroom and.
Speaker 1: If you go into the bathroom and you see a
Speaker 1: white van idling there except the candy that they're going
Speaker 1: to offer you. Yeah, But just overall, I think it's
Speaker 1: important to check in with these groups that, you know,
Speaker 1: when they first come on the scene, like we had
Speaker 1: this with Westboro Baptist Church like during the nineties, but
Speaker 1: like they have these outsized impressions in the mainstream media,
Speaker 1: and then the mainstream media kind of quiets down. There's
Speaker 1: not going to be a big front page story that's like,
Speaker 1: look at how sad they're the last meeting of this
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania chapter is. It's because that's not like anything that's
Speaker 1: going to get anybody scared or angry. It's just like
Speaker 1: people have a more complete idea of what is actually happening.
Speaker 2: But everyone's riding a wave, and not all waves last forever,
Speaker 2: you know. And they tried to pivot to the homophobia
Speaker 2: wave and to the anti critical race theory wave, and
Speaker 2: those are just so little, those those flames that pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: That's why I ask what's next, Like what's you know,
Speaker 3: because it's something, but.
Speaker 2: We don't know. I mean, that's the thing. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's like anything with QAnon or like MAGA. People like
Speaker 2: even if they shed one belief, like there's still there's
Speaker 2: their head is still in some version of like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't like.
Speaker 3: What even when the person in charge of it says
Speaker 3: this was made up? Now go back to your lives. Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Like and then they're like, no,
Speaker 3: that's not true. Yeah again the Ostrich effect or whatever,
Speaker 3: like yeah, just like when I talk to people about
Speaker 3: reality TV, they you know, they're like, nope, I don't
Speaker 3: agree with this. And it's like the person that you've
Speaker 3: been like listening to this whole time has told you
Speaker 3: it's not real.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of not real, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is real or not. It remains to be seen.
Speaker 1: But Joe Biden keeps speaking to dead people. On Wednesday,
Speaker 1: he referred to a conversation he recently had with former
Speaker 1: German Chancellor Helmet Cole.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Cole unfortunately died in twenty seventeen. Ah And that wasn't
Speaker 1: even the first time this week that Biden talked about
Speaker 1: having a conversation with a dead European leader. On Sunday,
Speaker 1: he told a crowd about a discussion he just had
Speaker 1: with former French president Francois Mitterrand, who died in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six. Wo And these are conversations. It's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, yeah, I talked to him about
Speaker 1: this back. You know, back then we were talking about
Speaker 1: I was just win AFTA. He's like talking about a
Speaker 1: story that.
Speaker 3: He's like he called me yesterday and was telling me
Speaker 3: all about yeah with.
Speaker 2: His beautiful wife.
Speaker 1: So on the one hand, it's like he probably just misspoke.
Speaker 1: He meant the other like current leaders, old people do
Speaker 1: that stuff all the time. There's also the story back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two when he tried to say hello
Speaker 1: to a recently deceased congresswoman at an event like this
Speaker 1: one was a big story, like I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he had worked with Representative Jackie Worlowski on this event.
Speaker 1: She had kind of organized the whole thing. She died
Speaker 1: in a car accident in the lead up to it.
Speaker 1: It was a big deal. And then at one point
Speaker 1: during the event, Biden asked Jackie, a you hear, where's
Speaker 1: Jackie at and like looked out and scanned the audience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like didn't correct his remarks. So at a certain point,
Speaker 1: I feel like the White House has to admit that
Speaker 1: they have a problem here. Yeah, and the problem is
Speaker 1: that the president can commune with the dead. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: he's not owning up.
Speaker 2: To it right, right, you know what isn't he telling
Speaker 2: about his superpowers of such?
Speaker 3: Is he just like so you know how they say,
Speaker 3: like when you're like in the last you know, phase
Speaker 3: of your life, like the veil is very thin between
Speaker 3: the and you can see the people walking world and
Speaker 3: the like, is he that old that we're just like
Speaker 3: he's like no, Like, whoever the fuck from Germany was
Speaker 3: with me the other day because they their spirit really
Speaker 3: was there, like ushering him into the afterlife?
Speaker 2: Are they with us now? President Biden?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Like?
Speaker 3: Is he just being visited by all these people into him?
Speaker 3: It's real because he's truly about to.
Speaker 2: Die, right, what's the version of it? It's like, well, no, no,
Speaker 2: he's he he has one foot in the afters.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel if you hear this all the
Speaker 1: time about elderly people being.
Speaker 3: Like yeah I just saw I saw so and so
Speaker 3: that died in twenty like ten and then like, no,
Speaker 3: they were there that yeah, the story they tell the
Speaker 3: night before they go they're out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean and like as much as I'm joking
Speaker 3: about that, I I'm also serious.
Speaker 2: Right, No, I mean very scary. Right now, we have
Speaker 2: so old. We have two versions of senility just hurtling
Speaker 2: towards each other in November. One is like Nancy, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's Nicky Pelosi or Nancy on speed.
Speaker 1: And then the other is just old. It's just standard
Speaker 1: old guy with the reaper in the back of his mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, and you guys, you guys like really talk about
Speaker 3: this a lot, like I don't on our show. We
Speaker 3: don't talk about politics like at all on purpose. I
Speaker 3: feel so helpless, Like it's so hard to like have
Speaker 3: this be the reality. And it's an I am coming
Speaker 3: from a very privileged situation, as you know, comparatively to
Speaker 3: many other Americans, but like, my god, is this frustrating?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, you have It's really bad.
Speaker 1: It's why the entire nation is like turned to the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court like wait, are you going to do something?
Speaker 3: Are you please?
Speaker 2: Can you just make it so the only choice is
Speaker 2: the other guy? With the declining mental acuity. It's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just one of those things though too. It's like
Speaker 2: voting for the president is never gonna solve like the
Speaker 2: real systemic issues, even though we're always sort of even
Speaker 2: though we're told that. But I think the big difference
Speaker 2: here is that, like there's one group was just like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna fucking start writing lists of people we don't like,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna fucking go after you, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: completely overhaul the bureaucracies in this nation. And you're like,
Speaker 2: and it's being like, tell.
Speaker 1: You can call it fascism, we call project We actually
Speaker 1: will too, because yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you see though too, seventy five percent of GOP
Speaker 2: voters are fine with Trump as dictator, like that specific language. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, and then you're like god, and then it's
Speaker 2: the guy who just hung out with like fucking I
Speaker 2: don't know, Mickey Rooney, like in his mind recent or
Speaker 2: something dead. Yeah he died.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying maybe so, because we're all desperate for
Speaker 1: it not to be Trump, maybe the White House and
Speaker 1: Biden like embrace this, you know, maybe he can contact
Speaker 1: one of the many people Trump has probably oh and
Speaker 1: freaking had killed during the course of his business career
Speaker 1: or you know, and then like start dropping clues from
Speaker 1: the murder, like during their debate, like ghost, I'm picturing
Speaker 1: ghost style. That's what it evoked for me, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's what the Goldberg and ghost I want to
Speaker 1: popping in right?
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, hold on, Donald, I'm hearing something. Yes, yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: go on, he did what.
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 2: Who told you? What are yours?
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Presidential debate and then he's just like hold on him reading.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's become so like it's in such an
Speaker 2: omni crisis in this.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even be like I would be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I would be on the train, I'd ride.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't. He didn't want to do something about
Speaker 2: like police violence, so instead he pretended to channel Evanna
Speaker 2: in a decade.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait a second, man, that's I'm hearing. I'm hold
Speaker 1: on talking to me. Man, she's talking to me, and wow.
Speaker 2: Hold on, you ain't black. Oh wait, that's Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: I'm talking No, he is. Who else am I talking with? Now?
Speaker 1: But I mean, if it's ghost rules, he can like people,
Speaker 1: ghosts can work into his body. So that's true. But
Speaker 1: then he's like extremely exhausted or the ghost is extremely exhausted.
Speaker 2: I forget.
Speaker 1: I don't thinking maybe he could like haunt Trump with
Speaker 1: like a stan Shara, you know, remember that the guy
Speaker 1: Trump didn't want to go out like stan Shara like
Speaker 1: the other New York mogul who died of COPD or he.
Speaker 3: Much like in ghosts, remember whenever, like he comes into
Speaker 3: Whippy Goldberg's body and then him and Mandy Moore, to
Speaker 3: me more, that's where I'm to me more like then
Speaker 3: have a sex together, like maybe Evana comes into Biden's
Speaker 3: body and then like they start to like have their
Speaker 3: foot charged and brand on stage.
Speaker 2: And honestly that you know what. Guess what game over
Speaker 2: guys like yeah, and that is on my twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four being go card.
Speaker 1: That's actually the center square.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Yvonne, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, November, just take your time getting here. Take
Speaker 2: your time.
Speaker 3: I'm trying. I'm blocking out his like doing this podcast
Speaker 3: is the most I'm gonna like be thinking about this
Speaker 3: on purpose because I'm horrified.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back and Chris, this isn't a
Speaker 1: story we would normally cover, but we don't normally have
Speaker 1: somebody with your expertise in the.
Speaker 2: Reality respect depending on what you say, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But so there was a story that popped up where
Speaker 1: Joey Grazzia day, I don't know how to from the back.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not a bachelor. I don't know
Speaker 3: what his name is either.
Speaker 2: Just ellis Island that ship Jack like, hey, Joey Grazzia, Graziadi, Graziadi.
Speaker 1: So he was being interviewed, they showed him a picture
Speaker 1: of Gypsy Rose Blanchard and he was like, who's Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I know who that is. That's I don't know why
Speaker 1: I turned him into Biden all of a sudden, that's that's.
Speaker 1: I think her name is Ruth Jinsburg, Ruth Ginsburg, Ruth
Speaker 1: bader Ginsburg, and it's it's entertaining. I would have been
Speaker 1: a no on knowing who Gypsy Rose Blanchard is. I
Speaker 1: would not have thought it was Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Speaker 2: But yeah, do you want to hear just I think
Speaker 2: it's important for you able to hear.
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear the class?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What what what went down as he struggled to identify.
Speaker 2: I'm bracing for impact Munchausen's by proxy person or Supreme
Speaker 2: Court justice.
Speaker 1: So this is the woman whose mother was Munchausen by
Speaker 1: proxying her and then she killed her mom, her boyfriend died.
Speaker 2: Complex. I do know who this person is? Is it
Speaker 2: Ruth is Ginsburg Ginsburg?
Speaker 1: Something like that? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: Ginsburg? Ginsburg?
Speaker 1: Ginsburg? Am I wrong?
Speaker 2: Am I wrong? This is Ginsburg? I don't know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's like kind of interesting though too. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: that's good that that name's in your brain somehow, Like
Speaker 2: I guess, like the mistake.
Speaker 3: Gypsy this Okay, here I go. If you're the bachelor,
Speaker 3: like you gotta be a little bit like they're not
Speaker 3: asking you about Ruth Bride Ginsburg. Okay. So the fact that,
Speaker 3: like you gotta be up on what's happening in the
Speaker 3: pop culture world, and my girl g Rose is lighting
Speaker 3: it on fire, yeah everywhere, and I'm obsessed with her.
Speaker 3: So like the come on, dude, like speaking of search history,
Speaker 3: get in there. Yeah, at least just get on TikTok
Speaker 3: for two seconds. She's all over there, like everyone's reposting
Speaker 3: all her videos, she's just like so weird and like
Speaker 3: it's very shocking watching her just like try to assimbly
Speaker 3: back into society. Yeah, and after like such a fucked
Speaker 3: up childhood that she had, and she's I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's it's that's.
Speaker 2: It's like one of those things too. This this is
Speaker 2: like the worst era for people to re enter society from,
Speaker 2: like having a traumatic past and being incarcerated and be like,
Speaker 2: hey man, since you've been gone this yet out and
Speaker 2: they're I don't know, like I remember who's who's the
Speaker 2: dude who shot Lennon And he's like, yeah, I want
Speaker 2: to try Jersey Mikes. And I'm like that's a good
Speaker 2: thing to aspire to because he got out right, isn't
Speaker 2: he didn't? He did get out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, try Jersey.
Speaker 2: It's just like he kept it real simple. His first
Speaker 2: tweets are like these sandwiches are great. Yeah, Like she's
Speaker 2: gone fully into like yo, I'm making content. I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're like she's like with some like influencer and they're like,
Speaker 3: what's your like fit check and she's like huh. Like
Speaker 3: it's so funny watching her be like what is this now?
Speaker 3: And they have to like explain her two two.
Speaker 2: Three four two eight, No, no.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's like I think I got this at
Speaker 3: a place called Zara and then h M, something like she.
Speaker 2: Does no, like she doesn't know anything, and it's like
Speaker 2: it is just like it is wild though. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: that then be in that content, like sort of participating
Speaker 2: in that kind of contents, like so you're up on
Speaker 2: everything and then you kind of begin to see it's
Speaker 2: like this person is a very different life. But yeah,
Speaker 2: hey go on, Joey ginsburg Blanche.
Speaker 3: I mean you have to show listen the Bachelor. People
Speaker 3: on the Bachelor and a bassloret This is Golden Bachelor,
Speaker 3: like restricted not them I'm talking about, but the normal
Speaker 3: Bachelor and Bachlorette. You're not ripe with the minds there, right,
Speaker 3: So am I surprised that this happened?
Speaker 1: No, they're like, if you aren't casting for the Bachelor
Speaker 1: and the guy does that in the in the casting processes,
Speaker 1: are you, like no, no.
Speaker 3: If it was Housewives or like a like something like
Speaker 3: that where it's like, oh, this can be funny and
Speaker 3: we can make this into something like yeah, they pronounce
Speaker 3: things wrong, you know in a normal reality show. Let
Speaker 3: me not just say housewives, but just like on a
Speaker 3: normal like ensemble cast reality show, them like pronouncing things
Speaker 3: wrong is usually like funny and you make it into
Speaker 3: a little bit of like a motif or like you
Speaker 3: make it into something fun. And me, this is like
Speaker 3: they try so hard to make these people look like
Speaker 3: not idiots. Then like this is bad for them. Do
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like in my mind that happens,
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh haha, that's like funny because it's they
Speaker 3: try so hard to like bolster them up into not
Speaker 3: being this that they and it always backfires. Like that
Speaker 3: article that came out about the Golden Bachelor guy how
Speaker 3: they were like he hadn't dated anyone since his since
Speaker 3: his wife died, and then there was like here's four
Speaker 3: women that have just been like a month after his
Speaker 3: wife died.
Speaker 2: I was dating him right right.
Speaker 3: Which like whatever, but like it's just like they try
Speaker 3: so hard to make them something they're not that I
Speaker 3: think this is actually this was this wasn't good for them.
Speaker 3: It's good for me to laugh at and I think
Speaker 3: it's hilarious, but yeah, they this is like dampening the
Speaker 3: the brand right right right?
Speaker 1: Is there a personality trait that is like secretly like
Speaker 1: a a thing that reality show producers are always looking for.
Speaker 3: Like willing to say what they really feel, okay, like
Speaker 3: for real, Like and I know that everyone tries to
Speaker 3: make it's all scripted, and it's this I'm like, I
Speaker 3: wish I could say that. It was like we are
Speaker 3: always trying to get to the actual truth and not
Speaker 3: the truth that they want to give us.
Speaker 1: Mm so no filter, Like how do you how do
Speaker 1: you judge that somebody has no filter? Like what do you?
Speaker 1: What are you putting them through?
Speaker 3: And there's people that will be shocking on purpose and
Speaker 3: they think that's that that's what it is. It's not
Speaker 3: what it is. Actually, it's not like anymore if you're
Speaker 3: trying to be a reality star, it's so obvious nowadays.
Speaker 3: The audience is so learned on how this works. So
Speaker 3: if you're like, there's so many people that will come
Speaker 3: forward and be like, ooh, I'm really doing all the
Speaker 3: things I think I need to do to be a
Speaker 3: reality star, and it's like no, I actually just want
Speaker 3: to like see you on made your dishwasher and that
Speaker 3: be funny right right, Like that is a reality star,
Speaker 3: not oh I did this, and then I like did
Speaker 3: this thing and I said this line that I thought
Speaker 3: was going to be a meme. It's like no, just
Speaker 3: like you flumb it over your words and said Gypsy
Speaker 3: instead of saying Gypsy, ro was Blanchard. You said Ruth
Speaker 3: bider Ginsberg, right, and that was and we turned that
Speaker 3: into a funny thing. And now it's that's funny. It's
Speaker 3: like everyone does that. We all do that, right, Like
Speaker 3: you think, oh, so and so, but you say the
Speaker 3: completely wrong name and you're like, oh, I just said
Speaker 3: Mandy Moore and not Deme more right, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. And it's like that we could turn that
Speaker 3: into something funny on a reality show. Like being able
Speaker 3: to step in the ship and just admitting to it
Speaker 3: is like it's always works right because you just it's relatable.
Speaker 3: You're you're endeared to people when they see that, you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: they made a mistake, and they're just allowing it to
Speaker 3: be a mistake. Yeah, it's like there's nothing better than it.
Speaker 2: It's like the same way like when like with how
Speaker 2: sitcoms work, it's like each there the characters have their
Speaker 2: own traits and you need them to be consistently themselves
Speaker 2: as that cring for it to all work if someone
Speaker 2: is trying to embody all the traits like I'm a
Speaker 2: bad girl, I'm also a snob. I'm also have anger issues.
Speaker 3: Like actually never thought about it that way, And you're
Speaker 3: completely right. It's like Phoebe would only do Phoebe would
Speaker 3: do this thing, but Monica would do this thing. And yes,
Speaker 3: they can have their little idiosyncrasies that make them unique
Speaker 3: as outside of their character, but like when they're acting
Speaker 3: completely left field from that, we have to then find
Speaker 3: out the reason that that's happening.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you see people that are obviously been like
Speaker 2: it's all about conflict, and like people be like silent
Speaker 2: during a brunch and like I have a knife and
Speaker 2: they're like licking it and then they're like yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: the fuck They're like yeah please, I mean, I know
Speaker 2: I came on as a tertiary character.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and half the time the person that's just
Speaker 3: like doing the ping pong, like the tennis match part
Speaker 3: of it of like watching to fight. It's the funniest part,
Speaker 3: right of like these two people are going crazy and
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what's happening or they're in a fight
Speaker 3: about nothing and it's dumb, and sometimes you want that
Speaker 3: person that's like this is so fucking stupid. I can't
Speaker 3: even believe that we're a fighting about this, Like that's
Speaker 3: so wanted. Sometimes it's not always just about I'm trying
Speaker 3: to destroy this person and this person's I destroy this
Speaker 3: you know it really? Yeah, yeah, it's not. It's there's
Speaker 3: so many misconceptions.
Speaker 1: It's it's frustrating as a producer. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: Trump is kind of the ultimate reality show?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I like.
Speaker 3: Like out it's outdated now for what we want to
Speaker 3: see on our TVs today, but like for back in
Speaker 3: the day, Like he uses every reality show trick in
Speaker 3: the book of like the old school world to like
Speaker 3: and it's it was watching it happen in twenty sixteen
Speaker 3: was jaw dropping for me. Right of being like, no,
Speaker 3: you're just not gonna let this person talk and just
Speaker 3: keep going and not let them speak like yeah, or
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, not allow the like, don't
Speaker 3: even dignify the response that they're giving of a real
Speaker 3: critique to what you just said, and just go forward
Speaker 3: with your thing that you're saying, like not try to
Speaker 3: like be right and just be you. Like it's so
Speaker 3: I mean, it's nowadays, if something like that happens, the
Speaker 3: person doesn't make it that long because is it so
Speaker 3: well triggered by it so much, and so it's we're like, oh,
Speaker 3: and but back in the day, Oh yeah, he he's
Speaker 3: like he's uses the old the old book. He's using
Speaker 3: it every single fucking day, and it's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah reading from it. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Remember reading a thing that like reality show stars are
Speaker 1: very high on the narcissism scale. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's like something you can and that's certainly true. Like
Speaker 1: Donald Trump that is his superpower is like a overwhelming
Speaker 1: like hole in the center of his being that he
Speaker 1: feels like he needs to fill with shows of like
Speaker 1: aggression and superiority and like insults.
Speaker 2: Of other people.
Speaker 1: Like do you is that something that like you're cognitively
Speaker 1: aware of that you're like looking for someone with a
Speaker 1: specific personality disorder or do you feel like it's just.
Speaker 2: Your medical paperwork?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 3: No? No, And I want to say, like it's not. No,
Speaker 3: I don't think so. But it's again, someone who's like
Speaker 3: willing to say the truth and really just say exactly
Speaker 3: how they really feel, not what they think that I
Speaker 3: want them to Yeah, not what I think I want
Speaker 3: them to say. And like even the thing that's funny
Speaker 3: is it's like, oh, oh, they only probably all care
Speaker 3: about themselves. And I'm like half the time once we're like,
Speaker 3: you know, off camera and we're like getting ready to
Speaker 3: do this scene, they're like mothering me, Like I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not your child, like stop, like right right, but
Speaker 3: like do you need something? What about this? What I'm like,
Speaker 3: can you just like be ready to do the scene,
Speaker 3: Like I don't need you to Like.
Speaker 2: You should really have waterproof pants, chrisy this weather, I
Speaker 2: just I Ca'm sorry, you're just your your pants are
Speaker 2: getting soaked. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's like yeah, yeah no, but it really is.
Speaker 3: They'll be like what about this, like in this thing,
Speaker 3: do you want this or what about And I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't. You don't need to be my mom right now?
Speaker 3: I need you to be. It's they're actually like in
Speaker 3: a lot of times, yes, maybe they're narcissists, but like
Speaker 3: there's many times that they're like I'm like, Hi, I'm
Speaker 3: not your kid. I say that all the time to them.
Speaker 3: I'm right, just don't mother me anymore. Let's just do
Speaker 3: what we need. Let's do our jobs.
Speaker 2: Can you well, can you tell mine? I say, hi, Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh okay, we're acting something out here, all right?
Speaker 1: Well, Christa Rosa, what a pleasure having you on the
Speaker 1: daily Zeitgeist? Where can people find you? Follow you all
Speaker 1: that good stuff?
Speaker 3: You guys can find me at the Christa Rosa on Instagram.
Speaker 3: I'm not really on x I'm not really a down
Speaker 3: for that anymore. Instagrams? Are you gonna find me? My podcast?
Speaker 3: I'm a co host of a podcast called Fixing Famous People.
Speaker 3: We pick a new celebrity every week that's either in
Speaker 3: need of a PR rejuvenation, they need an image makeover,
Speaker 3: they kind of haven't had work in a long time,
Speaker 3: or they're in a PR crisis, and my co host
Speaker 3: Dominic Poopa and I will pitch to our guests are
Speaker 3: different solves or pitches of like how they're going to
Speaker 3: get out of this bad PR and then the guest
Speaker 3: at the end decides who is the winner. Yeah, We've
Speaker 3: done a lot of really funny like we did an
Speaker 3: episode about Katherine Heigel recently. We do all kinds of
Speaker 3: things from I mean, we talked about scandal all. We
Speaker 3: talked about the Goop trial when that was happening with
Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow. That was a big thing for us. We
Speaker 3: talk about Justin ber the other week, and yeah, it's
Speaker 3: really funny. A lot of people love it.
Speaker 1: Do you have one one celebrity that you're like, they
Speaker 1: really should follow our advice for them.
Speaker 3: We've had people not I've yet to confirm that they've
Speaker 3: listened to the show, but there's many that we have
Speaker 3: got a winning pitch and they've actually done what we said.
Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah, we've like so it's surprisingly like I
Speaker 3: did a pitch for Abby Lee Miller from Dance Moms
Speaker 3: to do a Dance Mom's reunion, and the day that
Speaker 3: the episode aired, they announced that, like they were gonna
Speaker 3: do a Dance Mom's reunion.
Speaker 1: Wow, like parallel, they stole your ship. Yeah, is there
Speaker 1: a work of media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 3: My friend Deanna Chang and her friend Emily Foster do
Speaker 3: a substack slash podcast called How to Be Less Old
Speaker 3: where they talk about all the gen Z trends that
Speaker 3: we are way too old to know about and they
Speaker 3: write about it and do a podcast about it. And
Speaker 3: it is hilarious.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: It's called how to Be Less Old?
Speaker 3: How to Be Less Old?
Speaker 1: That's great, amazing, Well, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 3: This has been fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a blast.
Speaker 1: Miles. Where can people find you? Is there a working
Speaker 1: media you've been enjoyed?
Speaker 2: Find me on you know, the at based platforms at
Speaker 2: Miles of Gray. If you like basketball, if you like
Speaker 2: the National Basketball Associations, check Jack and I out on
Speaker 2: our basketball podcast that we do in conjunction with the
Speaker 2: National Basketball Association. It is called Miles and Jack Got
Speaker 2: Mad Moosties. And if you like ninety day Fiance like
Speaker 2: I do, I have it tatted on my back, you
Speaker 2: can come watch me do my podcast for twenty Day
Speaker 2: Fiance with Sofia Alexandra. And that is also a very
Speaker 2: fun one. Let's see is there? I think no, I've
Speaker 2: just been watching mister and missus Smith continue to power
Speaker 2: through that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love it. It's like it's just so, it's so
Speaker 2: I keep saying it. It's like cool, like it says
Speaker 2: so wild, how well Donald Glover's character A dresses like
Speaker 2: I'm just like, how the fuck is this look this?
Speaker 1: But then he also like talks about how well he addresses. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like that, which I like, yeah, like yeah, this
Speaker 1: old thing.
Speaker 2: No no, yeah, no, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going on the ski trip, both because it's our assignment
Speaker 1: and because of the fit.
Speaker 2: Dude. The one scene where she tells the woman to
Speaker 2: shut up on the vacation is one of my favorite
Speaker 2: lines anyway, and it just feels it's it's good because
Speaker 2: it's are reimagining of like, oh will they won't they there?
Speaker 2: And you kind of watch this like relationship play out.
Speaker 2: But they're also killer eight like spy people. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: tune into that. That's that's from me. Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, is there Chris a like reality show
Speaker 1: that is like the reality show producers reality show.
Speaker 2: That you're like, this is secretly like the.
Speaker 1: One meaning what like you one of the one that
Speaker 1: you respect and think is the best reality show, not
Speaker 1: one that you work on.
Speaker 3: Maybe I do watch Housewives as much as I work
Speaker 3: on them, Like I do love the Brava world in
Speaker 3: that regard with like even the ones I don't work on,
Speaker 3: I watch, and so I think that yeah, I love
Speaker 3: Love is Blind as a viewer, and I know it's
Speaker 3: so long and like nothing happens, but I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Every fucking season they drop you every day, I don't
Speaker 3: know what, and I know I'm wrong. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna this is not It's gonna be three episodes of
Speaker 3: them doing nothing and then finally someone gets engaged. And
Speaker 3: I still watch every single fucking frame of it.
Speaker 2: Right, oh yeah yeah. And those cups, you know, they've
Speaker 2: become like, oh I can't in the cups. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just funny to watch people like the coups are
Speaker 2: so great. I'm like they're hiding all the cuts they're
Speaker 2: doing because you don't like.
Speaker 3: No one cares, Yeah, no one cares.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, please, I've had What are the cups?
Speaker 1: I don't know this.
Speaker 2: They're opaque, They're like they look metallic, like whenever they're
Speaker 2: drinking alcohol in the show, they're opaque, so you can't see.
Speaker 3: Instead of this, yeah, like so instead of this, and
Speaker 3: then I drink like some of it and then it's
Speaker 3: like down to here. Sure it's like it's just a
Speaker 3: gold metallic cup that's hideous.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But it's become just synonymous with this show.
Speaker 3: And so they like now played into it.
Speaker 2: It mad act And for those of us that are
Speaker 2: reality brain. It's like, yeah, they're just they're so drunk.
Speaker 2: They just got to hide the vouts, fluctuating levels, drink
Speaker 2: in their Yeah, yeah, amazing. All right.
Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O
Speaker 1: Brian a tweet I've been enjoying from Zach Tuscani tweeted
Speaker 1: male friend during your friendship life's good man can't complain
Speaker 1: male friend during their wedding valve. My life was pure.
Speaker 3: Hell before you. I had no hopes.
Speaker 1: I was surrounded by losers. Find us on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: we link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Miles with a song that you
Speaker 1: say people might enjoy.
Speaker 2: We're gonna ride out on a track from an artist
Speaker 2: that we've actually I've suggested before call always Proper, which
Speaker 2: is sort of like a conglomeration of like beat makers
Speaker 2: around the world. It's like kind of not sure who
Speaker 2: is doing what, but the tracks are always kind of
Speaker 2: like these Spooky Dirty South the reimaginings of tracks. So
Speaker 2: this one's called Bumping on Haters by Always Proper. So yeah,
Speaker 2: just going to this weekend bumping on Haters.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what I mean? All right, We
Speaker 1: will link off to that in the footnote. The Daily
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Speaker 1: is gonna do it for us this morning. We are
Speaker 1: back on Monday to tell you what trended over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And we'll be back on Saturday with a
Speaker 1: recap of this week's stuff. An edit moment I highlight
Speaker 1: the weekly zite.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 1: Until then, be good, talk to you later.
Speaker 2: Bye bye,