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Speaker 1: Welcome to Thursdays. They should a Biglue Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He's Jeff Fiegles, I'm Lance Metal.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: we'll get to your phone calls on a variety of

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Speaker 1: topics will hit on Giants ot s which is continuing today,

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Speaker 1: but I thought it'd be also interesting to start right

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Speaker 1: off the top, Jeff. The NFL having its annual Spring meeting,

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Speaker 1: which was a continuation of what went on a little

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Speaker 1: bit earlier this year. The owners are their Competition Committee,

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Speaker 1: and there were a few things that were tabled for

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Speaker 1: this time period from the initial meetings. Two things the

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Speaker 1: overtime rule, and they were talking about maybe putting it

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Speaker 1: to a vote to tweak that because of course, what

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Speaker 1: happened to the a f C Championship game that the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs didn't get a possession, New England wound up going

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Speaker 1: down the field and scoring, and which right away that

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Speaker 1: was the rule that they made previously correct. So and

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Speaker 1: then there was an about that one. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: Let's get the tissues out. So what they ultimately determined

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Speaker 1: was they're gonna put it all for at least another year.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as you just hit on, Jeff, what's wrong with the rule?

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Speaker 1: Think about this, Jeff. If New England would have scored,

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Speaker 1: or take that back, if New England didn't score in

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs scored first. Do you think anybody's gonna be

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Speaker 1: crying over the fact that the Patriots lost the game

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Speaker 1: because they didn't have a possession in overtime. Don't put

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Speaker 1: it in overtime. Take it upon yourself to win the

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Speaker 1: game out right. And you know what, Like I said before,

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Speaker 1: they're the ones that that the league made these rules, okay,

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Speaker 1: and so don't complain about it. And now if you

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Speaker 1: want to change it, I understand there's probably and maybe

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Speaker 1: you look at some of these rules, say they're a

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Speaker 1: little antiquated, and maybe make some tweaks to it, but

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Speaker 1: don't complain about it. You made the rule, so now

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Speaker 1: you're gonna change it, then that's fine. But listen, I

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Speaker 1: have I don't have a problem with the rule. I

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Speaker 1: really don't because I feel like that's the rule, and

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Speaker 1: it's it's made up that way because if you're the

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Speaker 1: defensive team and you stop them from a touchdown, then

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Speaker 1: you've given your own team a chance to win the

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Speaker 1: football game by scoring a touchdown. If you don't, then

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Speaker 1: you didn't do enough a good enough job, and you

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Speaker 1: lose the game. And that's exactly what happened. That's just

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Speaker 1: my take on it. I don't really care how they

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Speaker 1: change it, but I think they should keep it the same.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I'm completely with you. It's

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Speaker 1: not asking much out of the defense to hold the

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Speaker 1: opposition to a field goal, jeft, because then what you

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Speaker 1: hold them to a field goal, you guarantee your offense

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Speaker 1: can't end the game on a field goal, unless, of course,

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Speaker 1: it's the team with the second and let me let

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Speaker 1: let's flip it around so you win the costs. You

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Speaker 1: get the ball and the offense only scores three points,

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Speaker 1: and the next turnaround the other team goes and scores

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Speaker 1: a touchdown. The offense let the defense down exactly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you could look at it that way, but I think

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Speaker 1: both teams, both sides of the ball have to do

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Speaker 1: their job somewhat, but in regulation, do your job and

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Speaker 1: win the football game. I do understand the games tie

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Speaker 1: they do, and they and them ties once in a while.

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Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb never knew that when that happened. If you

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Speaker 1: remember that, that to me was one of the craziest

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Speaker 1: he did not know that that that the fifth quarter

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Speaker 1: call in the moment, So, yeah, a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: and what was that was there obviously, So it was

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Speaker 1: the overtime rule one right, That was one aspect. So

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Speaker 1: they're tabling that for another year. The other part of

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Speaker 1: what came out of the annual spring meeting is they

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Speaker 1: change the rule to accommodate instant replay to now be

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Speaker 1: able to look at pass interference and judgment calls. Then

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Speaker 1: the rule came out and it was worded that coaches

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Speaker 1: it would go up to the booth. The New York

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Speaker 1: League Office would handle any reviews of those judgment calls,

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Speaker 1: coaches wouldn't be forced to use challenges. There was a

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Speaker 1: lot of chatter leading up that they weren't necessarily very

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Speaker 1: empowered the Competition Committee Jeff to change the rule before

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Speaker 1: one game has even been played so that it's all

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Speaker 1: coach staff to determine do we throw the flag, do

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Speaker 1: we want this play to be looked at? If you

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Speaker 1: terms of when you want to use your challenges. It's

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Speaker 1: not like you can say to yourself, oh, well, if

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Speaker 1: magically able to grab another one in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to give them extra looks. Well. I

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Speaker 1: think that what this brings to light in my mind

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Speaker 1: is that in the past, in the last two minutes

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Speaker 1: you can't use your challenge to your flag anyways, now

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to use it. Therefore, that four

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Speaker 1: before you know, there was a challenge that you were

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Speaker 1: challenge that play on their own, okay, and obviously if

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Speaker 1: So you gotta be real careful now. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: could you throw those challenge flags out right away and

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Speaker 1: you don't have one left going into the into the

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Speaker 1: very end of the game. It could cost your team

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Speaker 1: or win. No, I think you hit it. You don't

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Speaker 1: is no more booth challenges. This has to come from me,

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Speaker 1: the head coach, and I threw my last flag in

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Speaker 1: the third quarter. Oh oops. Yeah. Well, because under the

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Speaker 1: current structure, with respect to anything else that you can challenge,

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Speaker 1: a secure both. The booth is a silent red flag

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Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean, it's a luxury where coaches are

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Speaker 1: saying to themselves, Hey, it's under two minutes at least,

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Speaker 1: I know there's a chance they may call for a review.

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Speaker 1: Has there been any discussion And I don't know if

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Speaker 1: as adding an additional challenge that I haven't heard. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are calling for that.

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Speaker 1: That was their initial reaction. Well, now, if you're going

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Speaker 1: them an extra flag? But you know, my feeling is, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: should we be bailing out coaching staffs? Should we be

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Speaker 1: bailing out teams? Doesn't discipline come into play? You just

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Speaker 1: talked about discipline, so meaning you have to ask yourself off,

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Speaker 1: Do I go after calls aggressively in the first quarter, Jeff?

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Speaker 1: in the crucial final two minutes of the game. Depends

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Speaker 1: on who you are. I think that there's two schools

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Speaker 1: of thought that you've got the riverboat gambler guy who's

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Speaker 1: gonna have all three of them left in the last

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Speaker 1: two minutes of the game, just because, Um, if it's me,

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Speaker 1: I better make sure that I have at least one

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Speaker 1: wasting it on a dumb call earlier in the first

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Speaker 1: or second quarter. So you know, back then, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: you know, that play in the first quarter, if it

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Speaker 1: would have just went our way, we would have won

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Speaker 1: the game. Not so much in the last two minutes

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Speaker 1: of the game that has a bigger bearing on it

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Speaker 1: than than a third play, an opening play in the

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Speaker 1: second quarter. Well, believe those players are certainly put onto

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Speaker 1: the back defined glass. I agree with you there, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would still make the argument you can

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Speaker 1: make careless mistakes in the first and the third quarter,

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Speaker 1: or even the second they could come back to bite you.

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Speaker 1: It depends on the play exactly. But you don't want

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Speaker 1: there and it's just like, you know, what, what is

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Speaker 1: replay and things like that. It makes that job, that

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Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting. Well, it plays into the communication

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Speaker 1: so they can plan it out or goes. I don't know. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm a coach, yeah, I want to work out the

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Speaker 1: communication channel. As I was just talking about with my

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. Hey, you know what, let's throw one out

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Speaker 1: here in preseason game number three if we think it's

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Speaker 1: worth looking at, just so we see the mechanism and

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Speaker 1: you know what we need to do and how that

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Speaker 1: changes the dynamics of a game. And I would go

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Speaker 1: a step further, Jeff, if you're a relatively new coaching staff,

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Speaker 1: I think there's even more importance to try to throw

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Speaker 1: because you know, Pat Shermer and his staff at least

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Speaker 1: his staff. Jeff, Hey, who's going to be the extra

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Speaker 1: we actually should throw the flag here? If you're a

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Speaker 1: preseason to do that. Yeah, who knows it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: definitely that's what's intended for It is is the new rules,

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Speaker 1: and they implement them in training camp, and you want

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Speaker 1: how it works. You know. I just think it's interesting

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious your perspective, Jeff. The fact that this

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Speaker 1: think it affects them mentally? And you know, just knowing

428
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,720
Speaker 1: that no one second they're O. B J's teammate and

429
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 1: now they're they're not even in New York anymore. Listen.

430
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,720
Speaker 1: I I can't can't speak for anybody that's out on

431
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,679
Speaker 1: the field because I'm not there and I'm not in

432
00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,520
Speaker 1: the locker room. But I can only I can only

433
00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 1: speak from experience with my career, and I will tell

434
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 1: you this. At first, it's a little bit of a

435
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,200
Speaker 1: shock when something like this happens, and but the players

436
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 1: take notice, okay, And a lot of times sometimes there's

437
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 1: a sacrificial lamb. No, I'm not saying O. B J

438
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 1: was a sacrificial lamb or any of these guys. But

439
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm just just kind of following me with this. You

440
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 1: kind of make it, and you kind of like the

441
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,400
Speaker 1: organization sometimes does these things for good and they want

442
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 1: to send a message through the locker room, Okay, and

443
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 1: sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. However, I will tell

444
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: you this, even though this is a team sport, every

445
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 1: one of those guys in the locker room, they're out

446
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 1: for themselves as far as their their careers and their

447
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: families and the money that they make and the and

448
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 1: the and the advancement of their career. So they can't

449
00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 1: get caught up in all that. They just gotta let

450
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,119
Speaker 1: it go and they can still be friends outside the organization.

451
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: I read I read a quote from yesterday was yesterday

452
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,439
Speaker 1: or the day before from Generous Jenkins, and somebody had

453
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 1: asked him that question about when Snacks left and these

454
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 1: guys left, and you know what he said. He says, Listen,

455
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: I I wish them the best of whereever they went,

456
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: but I'm I gotta just play. I gotta be I

457
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 1: gotta be Jack Rabbit. I gotta play, and I gotta

458
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: show up and and do the best I can here

459
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: and not worry about that kind of stuff. So I

460
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,120
Speaker 1: think at the beginning it's a little bit of a shocker.

461
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: But now as time goes, like they always say, time heals,

462
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 1: I think it gets get. The further you get down

463
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 1: the line, the more a new guys start to get

464
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,719
Speaker 1: together and they try to reinvent kind of the culture

465
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: that's going on in this locker room towards the better cause,

466
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: and that is going to win more football games. I

467
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,360
Speaker 1: hope that answers your question. And John, the other thing

468
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: that's related to that is also because of the turnover

469
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,440
Speaker 1: on the roster, you have to understand, Vernon and Snacks

470
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: were never teammates with Antoine Bethet and Jabrill Peppers. Those

471
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 1: guys weren't even here. So I mean, as far as

472
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 1: them leaving the team, it has no effect on them.

473
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: The young corners, all of these guys who were just

474
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: drafted weren't on the team. Sam Bill was here, but

475
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't on the field plane last year. So there's

476
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 1: a lot of new faces on the defensive side of

477
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: the ball that I don't even think it's a thought

478
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: for them because they weren't teammates with Vernon or Snacks

479
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: And real quickly, John, the one thing you don't want

480
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,919
Speaker 1: to have as you want you don't want to have

481
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: this lingering where guys are constantly talking about it. You know,

482
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: you gotta pick up and move on. And I think

483
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: that's where some chemistry and leadership comes into effect with

484
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 1: the newer guys and the team that they're they're here

485
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: to replace those guys, both from a positional standpoint but

486
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: also from a leadership standpoint. And you move on. Okay,

487
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,719
Speaker 1: that offensive line, okay, you know that. I know they

488
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 1: didn't get rid of anybody on there that was, you know,

489
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 1: other than Flowers that was during the season. But the

490
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: fact is you've got some new guys in there. They're

491
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of creating their own little culture, if you will,

492
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: in the in the offensive line room. But but like

493
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: like Land said, you moved to those cornerback positions that's

494
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: a whole new different ball game out there. The safeties

495
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: are different. You've got two new corners. Um, you got yeah,

496
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of change there. And you just

497
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: wanted to stop dwelling on the past and go for

498
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: the future, right, And if you guys have time, I

499
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: actually got a second question, so uh, once O t

500
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: a start. You know, I'm sure everybody gets crazy with

501
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 1: you know, looking up stuff and going for info. But um,

502
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: I've noticed a lot of teams are ranking US so low,

503
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: and I really think we could be like an eight

504
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 1: and eight team. And I know we got rid of

505
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: like these legendary not legendary, but high quality players, but

506
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 1: some of these players were injury prone and we got

507
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: some solid starters from And I'm just curious to see

508
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: your opinion. Why do you think you know, ESPN, every

509
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: everybody's you know, banking US so low. Well, the last year,

510
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: thanks so much for weaghing in. Um, the defense was

511
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, really bad last year. Um, I think that

512
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: this team has still got a ways to go. And

513
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: I think, listen, I think that's a great position for

514
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: the Giants to be in because they kind of they

515
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 1: always they always seem to do better when they're the underdog.

516
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 1: I think this team historically, when somebody comes out and

517
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: tells them how good they are, they turn around and

518
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: stink it up. So I think this is more of

519
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: the you've got something to prove, and right now you've

520
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: got something to prove. The rest of the world is

521
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: telling you that you're gonna win five or six games

522
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: next year or whatever it is, Um go out and

523
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: win more. Well, there's a team that hasn't made the

524
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: playoffs very often in recent history, just two thousand sixteen.

525
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 1: To your point, we're talking about a team that won

526
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: five games last year. There's a lot of changes on

527
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: this team, and I think which changes, Jeff, come even

528
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: more question marks. That doesn't mean that there's not a

529
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: positive outlook, but you know what, is this secondary going

530
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: to produce a lot of young faces, guys that have

531
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: have no NFL experience. That that comes with intrigue, But

532
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: at the same time it comes with perhaps some ups

533
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: and downs and the learning curve of rookies. You look

534
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: at the pass rush, there's a pass ruts that only

535
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: had dirty sacks last season. Did they add some new faces, yes,

536
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: but still guys who are unproven and haven't necessarily piled

537
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: up a great deal of sacks during the course of

538
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: their careers. I mean, b J. Hill is essentially the

539
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: leading guy now at five and a half Saxson last season,

540
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: so I can understand why nobody's necessarily crowning this team.

541
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean there's no upside once again, but you know,

542
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: to expect a team with five wins last year for

543
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: people to project them is the winner of the division

544
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,359
Speaker 1: and a powerhouse in the NFC. I think maybe asking

545
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: for two not much now. In fairness, the Cohler was

546
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: talking about eight and eight projection, which I don't think

547
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: it's crazy, and I think the Giants could very well

548
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: surprise people, but I think a lot is going to

549
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: depend on how how they fare in the division. Jeff,

550
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: And if you look at the divisional record over the

551
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: last few seasons with the exception of six team, and

552
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: this team has struggled to even get to three and

553
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: three in the division. If they don't take care of

554
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 1: business in the division list and all bets are off

555
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: at that point, you gotta be four and two in

556
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: the division to to really to do something. That also

557
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: goes to show you what everybody thinks about Eli Manning

558
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: and that I think that has a big thing to

559
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: do with why this team has picked and not do

560
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: well because when you look at the at the skill positions,

561
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: this team is pretty pretty good at skill positions other

562
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: than what they think the quarterback. So we'll see what

563
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: happens there. Let's add back to the phone lines. Let's

564
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: check in with Frank in New Jersey. Frank Welco the

565
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: Big Blue kig Off Live. What do you have for us?

566
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: How you doing today? You're doing very well, Frank. I

567
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: kind of question for you if I can the league

568
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: just implemented training camp rules no Oklahoma drills, etcetera, etcetera.

569
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: That yeah, I mean I can see, but wokeless and

570
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: turning over in this grave. Of course, it's real quick.

571
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: For those who don't know the the Oklahoma drill is

572
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: a one on one quarterback hands the ball to a

573
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: um running back. Then you have one on one he's

574
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: trying to get through, so to test the power, stread, tackle,

575
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: and ability. You know, would translate to Sunday beat or

576
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: get beat. So I don't understand. I mean, what's going on? Okay,

577
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: one word safety, Yeah, that's it, um, because you know

578
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: that you know the drill a lot of the older

579
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: old timers know the drill. Some of the newer guys

580
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: don't know the drill because they've eliminated at the junior

581
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: level of any of these any of these kind of

582
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: drills anymore. The Oklahoma bull in the ring, all those

583
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: things that you do, um, those can all be done,

584
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: by the way, but you don't do them with outside

585
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: of five yards. Okay, when I was coaching junior football,

586
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: we did all those things. But you know what, you

587
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: just brought the drill in. You don't have to go

588
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: ten yards away and have these guys hit. You can

589
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: do it within five yards and still get the same

590
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: amount of power. You know, and and and technique and

591
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: things like that. So it's all about safety. It's all

592
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: about players safety. It's all about keeping guys healthy. It's

593
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: all about getting those fifty three guys to be healthy

594
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: on Sunday and also to get them healthy when their

595
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: careers are over that they're not doing the bull in

596
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: the ring in the Oklahoma because those are some those

597
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: you can get some nasty hits to the head with those.

598
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: That's what's happening bus to play, you know. I'll tell

599
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: you what the the union, the player Junior doesn't want them.

600
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: They're like, we're not doing We're not letting these guys

601
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: do this anymore. The coaches probably would love to do it, because, yeah,

602
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: that toughness and that that old mentality of practices to yeah,

603
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: the physicality, and there's a bunch of players that would

604
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: tell you they stood out in those drills and that's

605
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: a big reason why they ultimately made the team. But

606
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: you hit it right on the nose, Jeff, it's the safety.

607
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: It's the emphasis on safety, Frank. That's the rationale behind

608
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: why they're eliminating some of these drills, why they've changed

609
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: the structure of the entire off season program overall, and

610
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: that's going to be the continued movement moving forward. It's

611
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: just the only thing that abothers me is every one

612
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: of these drills translates on the field. Almost every play,

613
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: you're doing that same drill. Yes, they you're exactly right, Okay,

614
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: But I will tell you from being out in practices

615
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: these days and how the game has changed. They have drills,

616
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: they have these, they have other apparatus is if you will,

617
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: They've got these donuts that you're for tackling drills, things

618
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: that you can still get technique work from but without

619
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: the safety issue. Okay, can I follow up the quarter

620
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: on O T A s um It seems like just

621
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: a handful of players that don't show up for O

622
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: t A s and either it's contract related, money related,

623
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: star related, who the hell knows why, But it's only

624
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: a handful. So I guess the question is the coaches

625
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: say the right thing, Hey, it's in this, it's in

626
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: the c b A. It's voluntary. But they want these

627
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: guys to be here for obvious reasons for then for

628
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: their part, So why is it one or two guys

629
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: on every team that seems wokes up for hours. Of course,

630
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: now that we have cultural building that that pull this crap,

631
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: I listen, I think that if you go into street

632
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: wide with some other you know, professions, there's not gonna

633
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: be a hundred percent participation from all of your employees ever.

634
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: I mean, the problem is you had you actually answered

635
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: your own question, in my opinion, right at the beginning.

636
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: You know, as contracts, it's it's ego, it's things like that.

637
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: Because you know, there are some players and there are

638
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: some organizations to say, you know what, we don't care

639
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: if you don't come to these we know that you're

640
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Speaker 1: gonna play on Sunday and you want a new contract,

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Speaker 1: we're not giving you one. Well, you know, there's a

642
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Speaker 1: little struggle there, and you know what, that's that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: So I think a lot of it is that. I

644
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Speaker 1: think sometimes the media gets ahold of why so and

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Speaker 1: so isn't at the o t a. Well, they don't

646
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Speaker 1: know that he's um having something. You know, there's something

647
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Speaker 1: in his family that has a funeral to go to.

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Speaker 1: They don't just come out and say those things. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of things happening behind the scenes that people

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Speaker 1: don't know about. But for the most part, there's always

651
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Speaker 1: struggles and that's ego and that's usually money and contracts

652
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Speaker 1: and things like that. Well, the other thing I think

653
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Speaker 1: that's important to note here is with the new rules,

654
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Speaker 1: remember there's limited contact between coaches and players during this

655
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Speaker 1: time period that's currently do so much so some eyes

656
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Speaker 1: or of the mindset, Jeff, if I work out on

657
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Speaker 1: my own, I'll get a lot more accomplished because I'm

658
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Speaker 1: not gonna be really missing out if there's limited interaction

659
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Speaker 1: that I could have with my coaching staff to begin with.

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Speaker 1: That's correct. The only thing they're really missing out is

661
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Speaker 1: the quality time in the playbook. Implement, implement stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But in terms of the working out and all of

663
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Speaker 1: that other stuff, some players feel if I go to

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Speaker 1: my own gym, I work out with my own positional guy,

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Speaker 1: meaning an offensive lineman guru, a quarterback guru, I'll get

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Speaker 1: a lot more done. I'll be much more active than

667
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Speaker 1: necessarily being with the team. And the other thing I'll

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Speaker 1: add to this, Frank, I understand it's a talking point now,

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Speaker 1: and it is a fair question. But Frank, when was

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Speaker 1: the last time that you got into Week five of

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Speaker 1: the NFL regular season and you thought back about who

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Speaker 1: on your team missed an O, T, A and men. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was the last time you brought that. And you

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Speaker 1: know what, Frank, I'll tell you that an easy way

675
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Speaker 1: to get around this and this is I will tell

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Speaker 1: you this is a big This is a big part

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Speaker 1: of it. When when it's when a team signs a

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Speaker 1: free agent or even any player, they put work out here.

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Speaker 1: Let's see those workout bonuses. Oh, you've got a two

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Speaker 1: D workout bonus. That workout bonuses for the off season

681
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Speaker 1: starting April something and ending June whatever, you know here required.

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Speaker 1: That's how they that's how they make you. They don't

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Speaker 1: make you do anything, but if you want your two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar workout bonus, you're gonna be here from

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Speaker 1: X to Y and best and guess guess what the

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Speaker 1: O T A s are falling in that time frame.

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Speaker 1: That's how they'll make sure that guys are here because

688
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Speaker 1: all the almighty dollar drives most of this industry. And

689
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Speaker 1: so if somebody's smart enough with their money, they're not

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Speaker 1: gonna sit out and not they gotta have a hundred

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Speaker 1: Like attendance is what there's like, there's numbers in there.

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Speaker 1: I remember, I remember I had, I had it. I

693
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Speaker 1: didn't really need it because I was here all the time.

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Speaker 1: But the fact is that things happen. You've got weddings

695
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Speaker 1: to go to, or you have something where you you know,

696
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Speaker 1: you can't be here one of the time, so they

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Speaker 1: make it. And that two percent is, Hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: Lance is getting married and we're gonna have to go

699
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Speaker 1: there and I have to I can't be there on

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Speaker 1: that Thursday, and they usually get you gonna make it up.

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Speaker 1: Like most of the time, there's a Monday through Thursday

702
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Speaker 1: workout and Friday, you have off, you have a three

703
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Speaker 1: day weekend. Well, the strength coach is still here on Friday.

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Speaker 1: So if you miss a Wednesday, you can make it

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Speaker 1: up on a Friday because they give you a chance

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Speaker 1: to swop the earn that money exactly. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: a good question. I don't think it will ever be answered,

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Speaker 1: but why the guys aren't here? But I think there's

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Speaker 1: just like anything, there's always a struggle with money and

710
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Speaker 1: ego and things like that and a pleasure. Thanks so

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00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: much for Wayne in And I think it's an interesting conversation.

712
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Speaker 1: I've had this conversation on multiple shows, and I think

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Speaker 1: it also is a reflection Jeff, as somebody who's played

714
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: this game, you could certainly relate to this. You know,

715
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Speaker 1: the non guarantees of contracts in the national Football peak.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, part of it is the agent

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Speaker 1: getting in your ear Hey, you need to have a

718
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Speaker 1: leg up on the team, use your leverage. If you

719
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Speaker 1: show up, then maybe you don't necessarily have that in

720
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Speaker 1: the negotiating period. So you know, that plays into it too.

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Speaker 1: And I think that if contracts were guaranteed in the

722
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Speaker 1: National Football leagu I think the mindset of the agents

723
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Speaker 1: and the players is gonna be a lot different, and

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Speaker 1: that would completely chan change the landscape of this game. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, if you're gonna the guarantee money goes

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Speaker 1: to a guy that you know is going to be here,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not giving a guaranteed contract to somebody

728
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Speaker 1: like Lawrence Taylor, who I don't think it's ever going

729
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Speaker 1: to show up anything, you know, So that goes goes

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Speaker 1: back that far. And you've got to be careful with

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Speaker 1: who you hand those guaranteed contracts at, too, and those

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Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts go to guys with have experience. Okay, this

733
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Speaker 1: guy's always been in the weight room, he's always been

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Speaker 1: at ot A, he has always been here there, you know,

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Speaker 1: so those kinds of things. But it's interesting because yes,

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Speaker 1: you do not have to be at them, and the coaches, um,

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Speaker 1: they're all going to tell you that they would love

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Speaker 1: a d percent attendants, but they can't get out there

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Speaker 1: and say, you know, I'm very very disappointed that guy's

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Speaker 1: not here. Well they're all disappointed, okay, but they don't

741
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Speaker 1: you know, you can't really tell them that. You can't

742
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Speaker 1: you know, you need to be here. Yeah, exactly. Union

743
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Speaker 1: regulations they negotiated. That part of the negotiation was is

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Speaker 1: the voluntary period? So lefty and I'll tell you if, if, if,

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Speaker 1: if anybody ever found out that coaches were making guys

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Speaker 1: come and we're finding them because they weren't here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it ever happened, but if it did, man,

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Speaker 1: you know what would hit the fan. It would be bad. Well,

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Speaker 1: the union would have some talking points. I think that's

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Speaker 1: fair to say. Let's head back to the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: Lance Matter, Jeff Eagles with here Thursday's edition A Big

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Speaker 1: Blue kig Off Live. Scott is in New Mexico. Scott,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Do you have for us? Hi, guys?

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Speaker 1: How you doing today? What's happening? Uh? Uh? I was

755
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Speaker 1: on yesterday's broadcast and I was talking with excuse me,

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Speaker 1: John and Paula. We were talking about Daniel Jones, and

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Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman in his post conference made a specific point

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Speaker 1: when he drafted Jones that need would meet would meet

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Speaker 1: the value or it was he was happy to see

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Speaker 1: the need finally met value words for that effect. And

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Speaker 1: there was discussion yesterday about whether Daniel Jones would actually

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Speaker 1: be the backup to Eli or potentially Alex Tanney would

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Speaker 1: And I was looking back, and all the draft picks

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Speaker 1: in the first round of the Giants made since two

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Speaker 1: thousand started at some point in the season. Now, granted

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Speaker 1: there was only one quarterback drafted, but all the players

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Speaker 1: that they drafted wound up starting at some point in

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Speaker 1: the season. My question really is the basic one is

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Speaker 1: if need meets value and and Jones does not say

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Speaker 1: even dress for the first three games, would that same

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Speaker 1: or that same philosophy be held in abeyance, in other words,

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Speaker 1: or are we making an exception if he doesn't. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that he's going to develop the same way

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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks do because last year, obviously the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 1: were drafted, all of them started at some point. They

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Speaker 1: were all drafted basically in the first round. Baker Mayfield well,

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Speaker 1: and the two scenarios were different. Though Scott and the

778
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: team also agree with that exactly. That's a big part

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Speaker 1: of the conversation. I mean, I'm trying to understand the

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Speaker 1: gist of your question. I don't think if Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: doesn't get a jersey the first three games, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's any reflection of the value of the pick,

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Speaker 1: because once again, they're not drafting Daniel Jones or two

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Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. They're drafting Daniel Jones Scott long term that

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Speaker 1: he's ultimately going to be the franchise quarterback. So you

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Speaker 1: can't just look at it as instantaneous gratification immediately. And

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Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if Alex Tanny does make

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Speaker 1: the roster and let's say they do have him as

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Speaker 1: the backup for maybe the first two weeks, and then

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00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: by week four Daniel Jones takes over. The depth chart

791
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: changes week to week Scott. Just because a guy is

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Speaker 1: third on the depth chart week one doesn't mean he's

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Speaker 1: going to be third the entire season. Week two, it

794
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: could completely be a different setup that happens. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then that's the probably, Uh makes me feel a little

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Speaker 1: bit better because again, you know, I'm looking at that

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Speaker 1: neat value formula that they've got aman created, and when

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Speaker 1: you look back, all the giants that he that were

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Speaker 1: drafted did start. So that's why I was just curious

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Speaker 1: as to how the giants rate that or if he

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00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: was a long term issue that they were looking at, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: And I was just trying to get clarification in that regard, well,

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Speaker 1: I think if you back out the quarterback position, I

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Speaker 1: think the formula, to Dave Gentleman's credit, is working should

805
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: be working well because I think those guys have a

806
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: better opportunity. Again, on the field, there's only one quarterback

807
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: on the field at any given time. So you know,

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Speaker 1: if you draft an offensive lineman, a linebacker, yeah, in

809
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: all likelihood will probably start a game because of injuries,

810
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: opportunity you have Eli Manning. Barring injury, Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: unlikely to get on the field. So I think to

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Speaker 1: jess point, Scott, the quarterback to me has to be

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Speaker 1: treated differently when you evaluate the immediacy of the return

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Speaker 1: compared to other positions. Okay, my last point and now

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Speaker 1: i'll becare off the air. The rest of the division

816
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: didn't stand still in the draft. They've In fact, I'm

817
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Speaker 1: kind of eager to see how players work out like

818
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Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins and how Washington works out, and what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen in Philadelphia, etcetera. But looking at the Giants

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Speaker 1: unit right now, as you see the players that have

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Speaker 1: been assembled, and obviously they have to become a coherent

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Speaker 1: both offense and defense. But looking at the personnel at

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Speaker 1: the old LIGs and really it's hard to judge at

824
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: this point, this early in the season, but how would

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00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: you think the Giants actually stack up against say the Philadelphia, Dallas,

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Speaker 1: and Washington teams as they're assembled right now. And I

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Speaker 1: know it's very you know, it's very early in the season,

828
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Speaker 1: but I was just curious what your reactions work for

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Speaker 1: the other teams because they obviously have to win their division.

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Speaker 1: And thanks, guys, I appreciate the time, I appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call. Thanks so much for even typically you don't

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Speaker 1: have to win your division. I mean, you could be

833
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Speaker 1: a pretty darn good wrong card team and still do it.

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Speaker 1: But the easiest way to get into the easiest way,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think at this juncture, it's it's hard

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Speaker 1: for me to tell because I I don't, you know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't gone down and looked at every draft pick

838
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Speaker 1: that all the teams in the divisions have made it

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Speaker 1: and compare him to who who the Giants got. But

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Speaker 1: I think that in my in my opinion, the Giants

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00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: have improved to a point that they're going to compete

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00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a little bit better than they did last year. Because

843
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: talk about the need and value. I think they got

844
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: a lot of it in their draft picks this year

845
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Speaker 1: to be able to to go in and fill some

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00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: of the spots free agency they did. And I also

847
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: think that this team is now created a little bit

848
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: more depth than they've had in the past, which is

849
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: gonna help them long term with injuries and guys in

850
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: are playing very well. You now have an option at

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00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: the backup position that you believe can compete, and we'll

852
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,919
Speaker 1: have and you actually believe that the guy can play.

853
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: That's a big thing. Specifically, I would say, Jeff, on

854
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: the offensive line, there's no question to be competition in

855
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: multiple positions on the offensive line, absolutely, And I feel like,

856
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, the offensive line. What I'm so impressed about

857
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: is that. And again I'm a big veteran guy. I'm

858
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: a big you know, experience means a lot in the

859
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: National Football League, especially at those positions. And I feel

860
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: like when you have experienced veteran offensive lineman's who have

861
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: been in the trenches, who they know the game, um,

862
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: that can only help you. And I mean it really helps.

863
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: Immediately I look at at Zeisler or whatever heck his

864
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: name is, and and and now you've got the MS okay,

865
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: and you've got Nate Solder. Those are three veteran offensive

866
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: linemen out of five. Okay, And now you've got a

867
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: young guy and Hernandez who's coming in has had a

868
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: year under his belt. Who's a mall or anyways, Um,

869
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: he's he's getting given better that that offensive line is

870
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: gonna do something and that's gonna help the offensive production,

871
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: running game, everything. And you have depth and wide receiver

872
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: guys battling for that third and fourth wide receiver spot.

873
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: Running back to I think Paul Perkins is back, Rod

874
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: Smith is now, So to your point, I think you

875
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: can make an argument there's depth, there's competition at multiple positions.

876
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: I think getting back to Scott's question, Jeff, about where

877
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: would you stack the Giants compared to the rest of

878
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: the division at this point, I would say the Redskins

879
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: of the Giants to me, have more question marks than

880
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: the other two teams. And and the rationale being is

881
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: ship Dallas at Philadelphia returning most of their core from

882
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: two teams that made the playoffs, I think it's fair

883
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: to give them the edge when you look at the

884
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: personnel that they're working with, and Amari Cooper is gonna

885
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: have an entire off season with Dak Prescott. Remember he

886
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: was arriving at the trade deadline. Travis Frederick, I saw

887
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: his back on the field, the key center for the

888
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: Cowboys that they lost all of last season because of illness.

889
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, the defense is pretty much intact. Laden van

890
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Thresh had a very good season. Philadelphia added to the

891
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: front seven, specifically, the defensive line's secondary is getting healthy.

892
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: Whereas the Redskins, you don't know how the quarterback situation

893
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: is gonna play out. The offensive line was banged up

894
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: last year. Darius Geiss is coming back. Remember he was

895
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: the rookie running back who missed all of last season.

896
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Questions at the wide receiver spot, they drafted Dwayne Haskins

897
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: teammate mclauren at of Ohio State. What happens with Paul

898
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Richard Chen Josh Doson's development. I would make the same

899
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: case with the Giants. Some new faces, some old faces,

900
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: some guys returning from injury. So I would say Cowboys

901
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: and Eagles deserve, just based on paper, to have an

902
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: And it's not you know, not loving the Giants of

903
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: the Redskins. It's just I mean, that's the reality of

904
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: the situation. Change comes with unknown in questions, and that's

905
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: how I see the division. I think the two teams

906
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: I made the playoffs last year come with less question

907
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: marks than the other two at this point. And we're

908
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: gonna have to see how training camp plays out and

909
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: how the health department plays into all of this. But

910
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: I think to me, that's how I would best characterize

911
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: the division. Right. Let's head back to the phone lines.

912
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: Dave is in Cranford. Dave, welcome to the program. What

913
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: do you have for us? Great to talk to both

914
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 1: of you guys. Um, you know what, which is nice?

915
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: Just continuing on that same discussion is really what I

916
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: wanted to get your input from. And it may sound funny,

917
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: but if you go back to, um, the Dallas Cowboys

918
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: when they played the Rams in the playoff game this year,

919
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: and if you remember, it was very unique because you

920
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: normally don't hear this a whole lot in football, but um,

921
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: you know, if you remember the game, they ran all

922
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: over the Dallas defense like to two hundreds, you know,

923
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: like they just ran the ball down their throat. And

924
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: as they interviewed the players, the offensive lineman after the game,

925
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: they talked about watching film and being able to predict

926
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: how Dallas was going to attack them and line up

927
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: based on their on their on their lineups, and and

928
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: the reason I just make reference to it, um they

929
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: actually asked the Cowboys and they kind of, you know,

930
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: obviously downplayed it. But um, I went back and looked

931
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: at the two Giant games for for Dallas that we

932
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: played last year based on that information, and it was

933
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: fascinating because you could see it. You know, what they

934
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: were basically saying is depending on how the the one technique,

935
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 1: the guy over the center was shading in his gap.

936
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: Because Dallas, their defensive line minus Lawrence, their defensive line

937
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: is really built around stunts and and and ships. And

938
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: they did that against the Giants the first game. Remember

939
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: I mean, Jeff, if go back, we we could not

940
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean it was we we couldn't handle a simple stunt.

941
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: I mean high school stunts. I mean guys just looping

942
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: around and and guys following them and and all of that.

943
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: And so to your point, Jeff, in terms of the

944
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: experience on the line, But but if you go back

945
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: and look at that, you you see once I, once

946
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: I looked at it through that lens, I couldn't believe

947
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: how many times you could predict how the line was going.

948
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 1: Basically you could predict when they were going to stunt

949
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: and when they weren't. And what the rams did was

950
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: they used those stunts against them because they knew the

951
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: guys were going to shoot the gaps, they let them

952
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: shoot the gaps. They pushed them around, and the running

953
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: back then had a basically a clear sight to the

954
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: next level. And I guess my my point is that

955
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: I think that the thing if I was looking at

956
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: the roster across the board, I think the offensive line

957
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: more than almost any other position on the field. You know,

958
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: you go and maybe you know, take quarterback, it's a

959
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: whole other position. But but you know, take getting a

960
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: great receiver, take getting a great running back, take getting

961
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: a great pass rusher. You know, they may be very

962
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: influential in one area of the game, but the offensive line,

963
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, can influence so much of that game in

964
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: terms of they impact the running game, they impact the

965
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: passing game, They impact your they impact your ability that

966
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: to have ball control, They impact your four minute drill

967
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: in terms of being able to run the clock out

968
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: at the end of the game. There's so much that

969
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: they do and so that to me is the one

970
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: area that if I was to be positive going into

971
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: the year and to look at the division, I guarantee

972
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: you the Giants if I'm aware of watching that tape

973
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: and when I went the Rams to guarantee you someone

974
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: from the Giants is more aware than that. And not

975
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: that Dallas isn't going to adjust because they better or

976
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: they probably will, but that was the last game they played,

977
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: so so it's and if the Giants can control that

978
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: line or or just be more you know, not have

979
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: the fire drill that most times when they played the Cowboys,

980
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: I think we could you know, we could do we

981
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: could do better. So I just love to get you

982
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: guys comments on that. All right, Dave, appreciate the phone

983
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: call before we get your comments. Jeff. On the Dallas

984
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: defensive front, I would also add, do remember the Philadelphia

985
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: defensive front is given the Giants a lot of problems

986
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: and we don't have an example of the Rams running

987
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: down the throats of the Philadelphia Eagles, So you know,

988
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: that's another defensive front to me that throws a lot

989
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: of curveballs with what Jim Schwartz operates on. So it's

990
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: not just the focus on Dallas, and Washington also has

991
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: beefed up its defensive front. They've drafted over the last

992
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: few years, so I would not overlook that group too.

993
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: But you know, to me, what the Rams did and

994
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: what Dave the last Cohler, was touching on is you

995
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: know that comes with film study. You know that Sean

996
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: McVeigh picking up on things that he probably must have

997
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: watched a boatload of Cowboys games. I mean, he even admitted,

998
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: by the way after the Super Bowl that he watched

999
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: too much film on the Patriots and sometimes you come

1000
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: back to bite you. He admitted that, and I never

1001
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: think I thought that was refreshing, because you don't hear

1002
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: most coaches when they look back, and he said, you

1003
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: know what, I went too far back. I was so

1004
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: overwhelmed with everything New England was doing. But I guarantee

1005
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: you they watched a number of Cowboys games. They picked

1006
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: up on tendencies, and to the Kohler's point, they made

1007
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: the necessary adjustment. And part of being a good coach

1008
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: and a good staff is knowing that your tendency your

1009
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: own tendencies. And that's why a lot of times these

1010
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: coaches self scout each other. The offense will scout the

1011
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: defense and defense scouts the offense internally, so that you

1012
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: don't get too connected with yourself. You've got to understand

1013
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: what you're doing as far as tendencies goes. Because other teams,

1014
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: others teams, coaches are all smart. They're they're they're brilliant coaches.

1015
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: NFL coaches are really really good smart guys, and they

1016
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: pick up on these things. And if you are have

1017
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: a tendency to do this, this, and this, and you're

1018
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: doing it all the time, they will find a way

1019
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: to figure it out and they will they will exploit it.

1020
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: That's what this game is all about, people. It's all

1021
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: about matchups and exploitation of your system. That's how you

1022
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: win games. And if you can't do it, then you're

1023
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: in for a real You've got a tough game because

1024
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: the other team is trying to figure you out too.

1025
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: And now it says the game of matchups, that's all

1026
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: the football is. And with respect to the Giants offensive line,

1027
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: just from a positive outlook standpoint, yes, it's year two

1028
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: of the offense, which I think is going to help.

1029
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: But let's look at the offensive line personnel here, Jeff,

1030
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: which you were breaking down earlier. Will Hernandez had an

1031
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: entire year to adjust to the full speed of the

1032
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: NFL and also playing next to Nate Soldier, understanding Soldiers

1033
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: tendencies that I think should help as they move into

1034
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: year two. Well it should. It actually an interrupt you

1035
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: those that it showed the second half of the season.

1036
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: How actually Nate Solder played better the second half than

1037
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: did the first half because he actually was playing next

1038
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: to a rookie and I'm sure that he was trying

1039
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: to help him out as much as he can. And

1040
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: not only that, he was also learning his own business

1041
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: and that is that he had number ten behind him

1042
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: instead of number twelve. Okay, so these were kind of

1043
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: things he was trying to figure out at the At

1044
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: the same time, both of them, towards the second half

1045
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: of the season started to play much better. Also getting

1046
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: back to full health too, I think is important aspect.

1047
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Now the center position, We're gonna see who wins the battle.

1048
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: But Pulley was out on the field for the majority

1049
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: of the season because Hallapio got hurt so early. So

1050
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: if Pully wins the job, now you have her Nandez

1051
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: comfortable with Solder to his left. Jeff and also comfortable

1052
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: with Pulley to his right. Now, the big thing is

1053
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: the right side of the line. You're gonna have two

1054
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: new guys playing next to each other. Whether Wheeler or

1055
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: Remer starts at right tackle, none of them have played

1056
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: next to Zeitler, so that's gonna be a new dynamic.

1057
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: And remember last year, Jamon Brown came in and that

1058
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: was new. So Wheeler had to start playing next to

1059
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: somebody knew it was Oh mom ay and Flowers. At

1060
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: the beginning, there was so much movement, is what I'm

1061
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: getting at, Jeff, that I think in the Giants eyes,

1062
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: they're hoping this season. Hey, there's no guarantee everybody stays

1063
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: fully healthy. You can't ever think that you're gonna have

1064
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: every offensive line right, but you figure going in that

1065
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: there won't be so much musical shares. There will at

1066
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: least be more stability and with that more comfort that

1067
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: ultimately should lead to better execution. We're only going based

1068
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: on what we're thinking, what we're seeing on paper. We

1069
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: don't know how the season is gonna play out. Nobody does.

1070
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: But that rationale I think is fair. When you evaluate

1071
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: the offensive lining and agree, agree, and you have some

1072
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: you have some swing guys in there too. You know

1073
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: Wheeler wheel there's gonna be a guy if he doesn't

1074
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: start to play a right tackle who'll play left tackle.

1075
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: You've got Halapio who can who can play center, and

1076
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: he can also play guard if you need him. Okay,

1077
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: And then you're gonna have some other guys in there.

1078
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know who they are because they's only gonna

1079
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: be probably eight of them. And I think that you know,

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00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: you have some good depth there, which is a good thing,

1081
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: and you have some to me, leadership and veteran presence

1082
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: on that offensive line is only going to help. But

1083
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm very I'm very intrigued to see how

1084
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: this group works together quickly, because you know, it does

1085
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: take a little bit of time to have that familiarity

1086
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: with each other and that offensive line, that continuity, as

1087
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: they say, it takes a little bit of time. And

1088
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: I think once you're the faster you get that, the

1089
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: more reps these guys are having together, the more identifiable

1090
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: that the starting five who they are, that they keep

1091
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: them in there, whether it's O, T A S and

1092
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: training camp or whatever. They have to play along amongst

1093
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: each other, and they also have to know multiple positions. Okay,

1094
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: And that's the one thing about veteran offensive lineman. If

1095
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: you look at if you look at Um Ramors, he

1096
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: played guard, okay all of last season, so he is

1097
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: able to go ahead and get on there and he

1098
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: could play guard if you needed to and have if

1099
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: in a pinch. And we look to move to the

1100
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: right chef, so we're gonna have a substitution. Substitution takes everybody.

1101
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: So that doesn't mean you have to leave now that

1102
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: just smell is gonna get here. You may want to leave,

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00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, Hi, John, how you doing? Um? But we

1104
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: were just we were just getting on the on the

1105
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: We're just talking about the offensive line, the continuity John,

1106
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: that things can come with and um, it's a good

1107
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: good time to me to have all of this veteran

1108
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: presence in that offensive line. So it's word for it here, Jeff.

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00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: What do you want, Johnny? Upgrade the upgrade, that's a

1110
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: good one. Yeah. It's like going from business class or

1111
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: or economy and getting upgraded to first class. You got

1112
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: the grumpy pants out of here. Yeah, yeah, I smile

1113
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: a little bit more, a little more personable, and you know,

1114
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: these guys. M one thing about veteran offensive lineman. No

1115
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: matter if you didn't, if they weren't teammates before. It's

1116
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: something about that group of guys who they instantly kind

1117
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: of camaraderize each other. It's like they all come together

1118
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: and they stick together, and it's like, even they've only

1119
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: been together for like a week, you feel like they've

1120
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: been together for years. That's just the way they are.

1121
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: Those guys are just you know, they eat together, they

1122
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: hang out together, they drink beers together, they do everything together. Alright.

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Speaker 1: Corpse Light is a sponsor of Big Blue Kick Golf Live.

1124
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: Let's finish off the show with your calls. I'm John Schunk.

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00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: By the way, Hi, five on three. Let's gonna Charlie

1126
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: in Portland, Maine. Why not? Hi? Chuckles? Hey John, that's great. Yeah,

1127
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: I knew you were on the line. Things and and

1128
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: and by the way, folks, just Lance is not just leaving.

1129
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: He has to Evan Ingram has done with his meetings.

1130
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: So he used to record an Evy Ingram podcast. So

1131
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: that's he's ready to go. So that's why Lance had

1132
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: to go do that. Anyway, go ahead, Yeah, Well, a

1133
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: couple of things. One thing we were talking about was

1134
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: o T S and the and the thing is O

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00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: tas a voluntary period, no discussion. If nobody wants to

1136
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: show up, nobody has to show up, Okay, I mean no, Charlie,

1137
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: that that no, that's true, and it's fine. But it

1138
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: hurts the team, well then they should make it mandatory.

1139
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: No no, that's no no, no, no, Charlie, it can be.

1140
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: It can be voluntary and hurt the team not showing

1141
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: up at the same time. You know. But what I'm

1142
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: saying is if you don't want it, if you want

1143
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: everyone to be there, then make it mandatory. Don't make

1144
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: it voluntary. You know, you can't coherse people to be Charlie.

1145
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: You understand that all the you understand all the coaches

1146
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: want that they've make it. They would make it mandatory

1147
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: if if they could. They can't. It's not up to

1148
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: the coaches. Yeah, it's a collectively bargained item, okay. And

1149
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: it's an O T A. You know what the stands for.

1150
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: It's not organized. It stands for optional optional training activity.

1151
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: And the other thing you were talking about was that

1152
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: you were talking about, you know, instant replay. To me,

1153
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: it's very simple, get the play right. I don't care.

1154
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: It's not a This is not to throw it on

1155
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: the coaches to see who smartest coach, who can save

1156
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: their flags and do it at the right time. That's

1157
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: not the point. The point is make the right call

1158
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: to have you want three and a half hour game,

1159
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: it's not even that. But do you want the last

1160
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: two minutes of the game interrupted every other play for

1161
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds to check for interference? Yeah, you might be you.

1162
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: You might be fine with you, but not a lot

1163
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: of other people's. But you all here the thing, And

1164
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: here's the thing with Trull. Here's the thing. And I

1165
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: think Jeff can speak to this too. This isn't a

1166
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: situation where it's black and white where either the guy

1167
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: steps out of bounds, it doesn't step out of bounds.

1168
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna have contact between a corner and a receiver,

1169
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: but what counts is impeding. What counts is significant contact

1170
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: that that warrants a flag. These are judgment calls that

1171
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 1: you're not gonna know if the call is right, even

1172
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: if you go to replay half the time, because it's

1173
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: a judgment call on the officials part. It's not a

1174
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: black and white thing. The same thing with fouls in basketball.

1175
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: There's contact and every drive to the basket, it doesn't

1176
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: mean that's necessarily a foul. So it can get very

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00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: very sloppy. Yeah I could. But then they'll they'll work

1178
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: that out. They'll they'll get it. They'll phone it down.

1179
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because there's been no controversy with replay without

1180
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 1: interference being involved. It's been smooth as can be. There's

1181
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 1: been no figure it out, figure it out. The whole

1182
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: point of it is to get it right. And I

1183
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: agree with that. Yeah, and that's fair. I agree with that.

1184
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: That's fair. Get get the call goody. You know what,

1185
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 1: get the get the call right that the coach challenges?

1186
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: How about that. That's what it is. That's what it's

1187
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: there for, right, save your challenge in the last two minutes.

1188
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it should be thrown on the coaches.

1189
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: I just think it should get the call right. But anyway,

1190
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: and the other thing you were talking about, you were

1191
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: talking about the NFC, and the thing is Philadelphia. You

1192
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: got words coming back. He hasn't been able to stay

1193
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: healthy one season. The question mark, now, who do they

1194
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: have behind us? They gave away their best quarterback in

1195
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: my opinion, full and they got this guy who can't

1196
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: stay on the team. So Philadelphia to me is a

1197
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: big question. Mark, Okay, okay, that's fair enough, And look,

1198
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: thanks you. I appreciate the call. And whether ones can

1199
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: stay healthy is a fair question and the fair question

1200
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: to to to catch up John, there was a caller

1201
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: that asked, and in the division where you see after

1202
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 1: the drafts and everything has gone, where the Giants fall

1203
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: in there? And and Lance was basically saying, he puts

1204
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 1: the two playoff teams in our division. Okay, the Giants

1205
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: division ahead of the of the Auiance and the Redskins.

1206
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: That's what he was saying. I think that's fair. Yeah,

1207
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: and I agree. I think it's you. Actually, you should

1208
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: give them a little bit of credit for making the playoffs.

1209
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: And they have a lot of their teams coming back.

1210
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: By the way, Dallas and Philly have been pretty consistently

1211
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: in the playoffs over the last four years, and they

1212
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of a lot of players coming back

1213
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: from those two teams, or at least on the verge

1214
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: of being Dallas missed it two years ago, but they

1215
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: still won nine games. You know, they've been five hundred

1216
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: plus teams every year the last four or five years,

1217
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: where did warts come from? I thought he said warts

1218
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: like they got some warts on that team, you know,

1219
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: like like went Charlie see Jeff to me, I think

1220
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: the easy way, and me and Paul are gonna talk

1221
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: about this yesterday, but we got another topics we never did.

1222
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: And I'll get to Jason and Marco very quickly in

1223
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: a second. In terms of replay, how I would do it.

1224
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: Have the challenges work on their own, have a separate

1225
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: challenge flag for pass interference. And here's the deal. You

1226
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: can challenge once if you get it right during the game,

1227
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: or just a two within the two minutes the whole game.

1228
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: You can challenge one. If you get it right, you

1229
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: get the flag back. If you get it wrong, you

1230
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: lose it and you're done. Okay, That's how I would

1231
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: do it. You keep it separate. That way, only egregious

1232
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: things are going to be reviewed. And that's why I

1233
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: think it's important to have. The coaches haven't been part

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00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: of their challenge and I and this is I don't

1235
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: know what the final rule is gonna be. Did they

1236
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: announced the final rule today? Because I was out of practice.

1237
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: So what what John was saying, excuse me, what Lance

1238
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: was saying? Is that they are. They are they're going

1239
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: away with the last two minutes. I think that's important. Alwise,

1240
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: you gonna look at every play that's exactly right, and

1241
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: we do it. I agree. And and John Lance and

1242
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,959
Speaker 1: I were talking about the guy that's in the booth

1243
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: for New York that has the flicker. He's gonna be

1244
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: looking for everything and gonna be stopping the game and

1245
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. And they do it in

1246
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: the CFL. They they had a guy John or Lance

1247
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: had a guy from the Seal, and they said, that's

1248
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: kind of been our The guy up in a booth

1249
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: is ready to call the just just let it go.

1250
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: Let's let the coaches call it if they want, and

1251
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: be done with it. All right, Let's go to and

1252
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: that and again, if coaches are judicious, was when they

1253
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: throw their flag, you'll have it. When you have that, well,

1254
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: you're better horrible audacious plays in the game. That's the thing.

1255
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: You just want to be able to fix the ridiculously

1256
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: missed calls. And if the coaches do it right, they

1257
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 1: will not throw that flag unless it's a ridiculous there

1258
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: there's here. You've got to be able to carry that

1259
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: flag into the last two minutes of the game and

1260
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: not make a stupid and throw. By the way, make

1261
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,439
Speaker 1: sure you have a time out left. That's right, because

1262
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: you can't throw it unless you have a time out left.

1263
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: So what happens if you're calling timeouse to get the

1264
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: ball back? Things like that. I'm saying there's a little

1265
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: bit more planning that goes into this. Let's go to

1266
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: Jason in North Carolina. Jason, what's up? Hey, how you

1267
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: doing that? Well? Yeah, this I'm a first time caller. Man,

1268
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling. I had a question about Corey Coleman.

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Speaker 1: Everybody has seemed to forgot about him in the receiving corps.

1270
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: I mean he was he was a first round draft

1271
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: pick with the Browns. He bounced around and had some

1272
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: I guess just locker room issues or coaching issues. Do

1273
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: y'all think that he can and be a vital part

1274
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: of the offense this year? I do. I think he

1275
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: became last year. He showed you that, you know, he

1276
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: kept his head on straight, if you will, and some

1277
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: of those things that have bothered him in the past

1278
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: didn't seem to rear their ugly head against the Giants organization.

1279
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: I think that. I think he's a guy, he's a veteran,

1280
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: he's got some speed, and I think that he is athletically,

1281
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: he has all the tools every box. The question is

1282
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: can he consistently play the game mentally the right way?

1283
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: And can you catch the football because he's had drop problems.

1284
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: Those are the two things he's got a fixed Jason.

1285
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: If he can that third wide receiver spot is wide

1286
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: open in terms of competition. But he's got to clean

1287
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,480
Speaker 1: up those two things, he's got a shot. I'm definitely

1288
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: glad you guys say that, because I really think that

1289
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: he's he's a sleeper. I think that he's a he's

1290
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: a sleeper on the team that can really you know,

1291
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: take the top off of the offense and really can

1292
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: can surprise us. I hear you. I'll say this too, though, Jason.

1293
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: Remember this is his fourth team. Three other teams have

1294
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: given up on him for a reason. Yeah, And I

1295
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: but I think but I think he I think he

1296
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: likes it here and I think that because of last year,

1297
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: he didn't he didn't get any problems last year. That's

1298
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: a good start for him. That for coming off of

1299
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,919
Speaker 1: being with four different teams and being a first round

1300
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: draft pick. Uh. Yeah, like John said, he's got all

1301
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: the physical and skills still schools tools that you need. Hello,

1302
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: but um yeah, he just has to keep his mind

1303
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: in the game. That's the big thing. Okay, I had

1304
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: one more question. I'm sorry, go ahead, I got one

1305
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 1: more question. Um, And with Evan Egram, with o'dey'll not

1306
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: being there and you know, having take and thoroughly shepherd,

1307
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: what do you think is a is a good goal

1308
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: or are how many receptions do you think would be

1309
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: great for Evan Egram? And now that I mean he's

1310
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: he's in the bigger role, there's more. You know, he

1311
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: has a chance to catch more receptions and and to

1312
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: do more. I think he's a big part of it

1313
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: this year too. Thank you, Jason, appreciate the call. Um.

1314
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm not that concerned, Jeff with number of verse options.

1315
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: One more concerned with yards and touchdowns. Okay, Well, I mean,

1316
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: and if, of course, if you get that type of

1317
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: production and you don't catch sixty balls, that's fine. Um,

1318
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: I would say minimum. I would I would hope for

1319
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: sixty catches and I want over nine hundred yards. I

1320
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: want I want health well in order to get the

1321
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: sixty he's gonna have to be healthy. Right. If he's

1322
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: healthy and like he was the last four or five

1323
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: games of the season, I think you can have You're

1324
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: gonna see Evan Ingram have his best year, okay, And

1325
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: certainly they're gonna use him in a way that's going

1326
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: to help him. And I think that the middle of

1327
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: that field is where his you know that where his

1328
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: bread and butter is going to come from. But health,

1329
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: And I agree with John he doesn't have to catch

1330
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: eighty balls, Okay. If he catches fifty five and has

1331
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns in a thousand yards, okay, And I think

1332
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 1: England's gonna be more of a big play threat. I

1333
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be this checkdown tight end.

1334
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a down the field, run

1335
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: the seams, stretched the defense. You know where he had

1336
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: four or four speeds, so he can he can stretch. Now.

1337
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: So if he comes out of the season with sixty

1338
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: catches yards and eight touchdowns, yeah, I would like to

1339
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: see him more utilized in the red zone because of

1340
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: his height. Because you know the other guys that are

1341
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: on that receiving end, they're not big guys, so he

1342
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 1: isn't he's a tall dude. But I agree with John

1343
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: to get him in some space and let him make

1344
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: some plays in the open field because he can use

1345
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: that four or four speed, and I just wanted to

1346
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: stay healthy. He's tough to cover, man, he he really is.

1347
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: He's like a big he's like a big receiver. But

1348
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: you know he's getting better into blocking. He's getting better there,

1349
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: so they're not going to move him out of that position.

1350
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people want to move him outside,

1351
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: but you're not gonna do it. You can split him outside,

1352
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: but he's still playing tight end. Absolutely. My final call

1353
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 1: the show is our buddy Marco up in Connecticut. Hey, Marco, Marco, Hey,

1354
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: what's up? Um So Landon Collins? Um, I gotta like

1355
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: a comment and a question for you guys, But the

1356
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: comment first is more like the off the field lately,

1357
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: he's just everywhere. UM. I like Landon, I'm really like

1358
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: them as a giant, and I have no problems with

1359
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: him now, man, but it seems like, um, he sound

1360
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: he's coming across very bitter, and I usually don't I

1361
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: don't care about like outside noise, but he's coming across

1362
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: very bitter, and I know he made a condent a

1363
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 1: while back that he wanted to uh, he wanted to

1364
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: be a Giant for the rest of his career. He

1365
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: made that pretty clear. So it didn't happen. It didn't happen.

1366
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: But here's my content though, and this, and this is

1367
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: where I started to get real a little aggravated because

1368
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: it makes uh gettleman, and like what's going on with

1369
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: the Giants. It makes them It makes everyone sound crazy,

1370
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think they are. Like for Landon to

1371
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: say like, oh, there's a lot of players that have

1372
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: been let go there and they traded their top wide receiver.

1373
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: It's like, and I made this point with the safety market,

1374
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: like Landon was one of how many safeties that were

1375
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: on the open market this year. And I don't feel

1376
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: like a lot of people are making that clear that

1377
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: it's the I think it's the NFL, like just defense

1378
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: in general, of where they prior ties positional value that

1379
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: does not get brought up and and I think if

1380
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 1: it did, maybe a little bit more, there'd be more

1381
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: of I get what the Giants are doing there, you know,

1382
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: like Landon Collins was like who I can knocked out?

1383
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: Or he signed with another team. Earl Thomas didn't get

1384
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: brought back in Seattle. Um the good safety in Baltimore

1385
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: forget his name, But now he's a rams I mean,

1386
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: and and go on and on. I mean there's some

1387
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: younger players too that are around laying his age. But

1388
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: if you guys want to comment on that, feel free to.

1389
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,439
Speaker 1: But I had a question about no, Look, Margo, Margo,

1390
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: look all right, And I think I've tried to make

1391
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: that point on the show a lot. And to me,

1392
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: Landon Collins at all, they let me go because of culture.

1393
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. I don't think Landing

1394
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: Cowinns was let go because there was a culture problem

1395
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: with him. To me, he got let go because you're

1396
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: looking at the production per dollar you're gonna get out

1397
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: of a guy that's a run stopping safety that struggles

1398
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: to cover and isn't the best coverage guy in the world.

1399
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: And I think they wanted to use that money elsewhere.

1400
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: I really think it's that simple, Jeff, No question, Listen,

1401
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: this this this league is all about money, and they

1402
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: didn't want to pay him the money. I mean, they

1403
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: didn't want to give him the franchise tag money. Okay, So,

1404
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: and I feel like if there was just gonna be

1405
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: a struggle there hold out this kind of stuff, it

1406
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: could have been just crazy in the media. All that

1407
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: kind of went into it. Bottom line was they just said,

1408
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not interested anymore. Go out and

1409
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: he by the way, he didn't do too bad. No,

1410
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: he did really well. And and by the way, I

1411
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: want to say one other thing about it too. The

1412
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: first thing is Lennon has been known to say some

1413
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: stuff in the media even when he was here. He

1414
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: had those comments on in radio interviews talking about teammates,

1415
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: which I know, you know, maybe he was being honest

1416
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: and maybe he was right in the end, but it

1417
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you go out there and you say those

1418
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: things either. Number two, I have trouble taking him too

1419
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: seriously about the team communicating well with him, and oh,

1420
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 1: they didn't give me the respect that I need. When

1421
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: he basically along with his agent, faked inaning out his

1422
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: locker and storming out of you're saying I'm not going

1423
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: to play in the franchise tag before for agency starts

1424
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: and making a spectacle of himself, which is basically what

1425
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: he did, and purposely leaked it to the media that

1426
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: he did it to put pressure on the Giants, and

1427
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: then they asked them after Frene zie, Oh well, would

1428
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: you have put in the franchise tag? He says, Oh, well,

1429
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: I guess we'll never know when your agents said publicly

1430
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: you weren't going to do it, So that I have that,

1431
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of trouble correct uh perfectly

1432
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: said um so, now, now a question more about Betcher's

1433
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: defense was really you know, the good coaches, especially especially

1434
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: the Patriots, they find a way to bring guys in

1435
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 1: and they cater to their skill set, not make us okay,

1436
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: So what what kind of fit was Colins Invetcher's defense

1437
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 1: and specifically what is he looking for from the safety?

1438
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: Is that maybe had with like Dion Buchanan or timing

1439
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:59,439
Speaker 1: and matthe out? Is that something that Collins wasn't doing

1440
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: or was he's playing out of position? I are they

1441
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get it out of Jamil Peppers

1442
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is that he does look for exactly see coverage.

1443
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Marco and Jeff hit it. Look, you

1444
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,919
Speaker 1: need your down safety to be able to stop the run, yes,

1445
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: but you also need that guy to be able to

1446
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: line up in the slot or on a tight end

1447
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 1: and cover them. He didn't do that well, and that's

1448
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: what Tymer Matthew did for them. And listen a toy,

1449
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean the guys he's he's around around the ball

1450
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: a lot deep. Jabrill Peppers is a playmaker. Okay, Um,

1451
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: obviously you know they're not the same type of positional players.

1452
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: But I mean, listen, Jabille will be. He can make tackles,

1453
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: but he's he's a great athlete back there. So I

1454
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,759
Speaker 1: think that you're getting the two veterans for the price

1455
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 1: of one that you would have to pay that it

1456
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: wasn't a good coverage guy. There's your rationale. And by

1457
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: the way, I just want to be clear, we're not

1458
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: saying Lanton Collins isn't a good football player. We've said

1459
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: here a long time that he's a very good football player,

1460
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: and for the right price, I'm sure there was a

1461
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: way for him to be back here, but that is

1462
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: never ta to be. He's one of the top fifteen

1463
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: players and the defensive players paid in the National Football

1464
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: League for a reason, for a reason, he's good, okay,

1465
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: but he's just not He's not in the plans for

1466
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 1: one organization. That's just and and he's he's like like

1467
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: a lot of other players. Okay, it just wasn't into plans.

1468
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: They didn't want to do this, They didn't want to

1469
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 1: do that, you know, and Dominic and Sue, where where

1470
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: is he? He wasn't in the plans. I mean this

1471
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: is like, I mean, Joe McCoy is a good player.

1472
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: He just got let go and there you go. I mean,

1473
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: a perennial All Pro guy. This let's just you know,

1474
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: it's just not gonna happen. And it happens with safeties

1475
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: a lot safeties changed teams, and players I know are

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Speaker 1: very sensitive. It happens, guys, it really is. And you

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01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,879
Speaker 1: know what, and when you have a goal, and especially

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01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: in this era, to play with one team with your

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 1: whole career, God bless you. But it's probably gonna be

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: pretty tough. And Dave Gentleman to said it when he

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01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: talks business and negotiates with guys, it's time to put

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01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: your big boy pants on. I think that direct approach

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01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to football matters. Some players like the

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: have soft landings on things like that, and I'm not

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01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: sure if Dave provides any guy and guys are sensitive

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: to the fact and they don't get it. I understand absolutely,

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Speaker 1: but you know it's um it's a business, folks, it's

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: a business, and if you're in it for long enough,

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01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: you'll realize that that things just can't always be hunky door.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you real quick before we say goodbye.

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Speaker 1: I don't kill call it here, but as a player,

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Speaker 1: did you mind if the GM was maybe a little

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: terse or direct with you, if he was at least

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01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: being honest and you knew exactly where you stood. See,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing I would I would have taken that

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Speaker 1: in a minute. Well that's all I'm asking. I would

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Speaker 1: love to have the transparency, if you will, and have

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01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:38,679
Speaker 1: the the uh truthfulness. But that's not how it always

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01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: goes in this business. You know, they're looking in the

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Speaker 1: eye sometimes and think that you're there, you're being truth

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01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: they're being truthful, and they're lying to you completely. I

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01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: rather have somebody tell me that, you know what, Jeff,

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01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: we're going to go in a different direction or you

1504
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: need to step it up or rather than undermined. And

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: and that's my sense with Dave that he's pretty direct

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01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: and honest, right absolutely, And you know what, and the

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: problem is is because he is the players don't want

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01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: Some guys don't want to know the truth. They want

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01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: to have everybody think, you know, he wants to Oh, yeah,

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01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,799
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. You know, you're really not. You're not, buddy,

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01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: you know really I thought I was No, you're not.

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: You're not doing that good. Okay, you need to pump

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01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. You need to step it up,

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01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: or we're not going to resign you. Okay, great, and

1515
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: you get then there's a little bit of you know,

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01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna bring in some competition, those kinds of things.

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01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: Answer your question, Yes, I would rather somebody tell me

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01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm not doing well and you better kick it up

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 1: a notch, rather than not saying anything to me at

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01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: all and then fire me the next day. Jeff and

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: joy your golf fild Memorial Day weekend zero. Right now,

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01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: I have nothing planned. I'm still in right, Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: good luck. Yeah, no show tomorrow, right I was about

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01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: to go there, Thank you, Jeff. There's no show tomorrow.

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01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: There's no show on Monday. But I'm gonna turn around

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01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: this Evan Ingram podcast for either later today or tomorrow

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: morning to make sure you check that out for your

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01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: giants listening pleasure over the weekend the John Subtle Podcast,

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: which can be found on all your favorite podcast platforms

1530
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: as well. Giants enjoy the start of the summer. For

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01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles and for Lance Meadow, I am John Schmilk.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your Memorial Day weekend. We'll see you next time. Audios.