1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: Coach joining this right now. Bobby Miranda on the show 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: for the first time and you can catch them on 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: ESPN lot's College Baseball analysis. Tons of experience in the 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: D one game coach. Great to have you on the show, 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: first of all, and we're gonna do like some sections here, 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: we'll get to some coaching questions, but I do want 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: to start with MLB in the World Series and some 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: of what we have communicated about off the show. So 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: how you doing. Great to have you on, and why 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: don't you introduce to the world some of the math 11 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: that you use to analyze the game. 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, first off, hats on backwards. 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 3: Come on, I'm old school as they come, So no 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 3: problem there whatsoever. 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: It got yelled at a lot about that. 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: Now I got to cover one thing really quick with 17 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 3: aj born and bred white Sox fan from shown, Yes, 18 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: m Nordhagen, Bart Johnson, Yeah, Kenny Henderson, Chet Lemon, Juice, 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 3: you know, all the guys. 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: So nice, big time. 21 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 4: So just you know, it's about damn time we got 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 4: more white Sox fans. We always have these clubs people 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 4: on here. It's about time we got some white Sox 24 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 4: level on the show. 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 3: Things are looking at and then the next thing I 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 3: just want to mention I was gonna say. The next 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: thing is, hey, I'm old school metrics, stats, all this 28 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: analytics stuff. I get it. It's not robots playing the game. 29 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 3: It's humans. It's about toughness. It's about you know, just 30 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 3: executing and being overlooked. That's what the Jays are all about, 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: I think so far kind of being underestimated and overlooked. 32 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: But what we're going to talk about is marrying the two. 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: You know, everyone talks about OPS, you know, offensively, and 34 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: then the last year or so they're starting to talk 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: about OPS aloud on the defensive side, maybe individually by pitchers. 36 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: We want to marry both defense and offense and show 37 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: that differential. And it's been just fascinating to see at 38 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: the college game the last three years and now at 39 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: the MLB level in the playoffs right now. You know, 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: if the Dodgers win, it will be eleven of twelve 41 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 3: where the OPS differential is correct. Offense first defense, the 42 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: difference between those two, how you do if the Blue 43 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 3: Jays win, we'll talk about why here in a set. 44 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 3: So that's kind of in a nutshell. 45 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: I want to see what you. 46 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: Guys call Okay, so dive in deeper here, So tell me, 47 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: tell me about OPS differential and how it's playing out 48 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: in the current postseason. And then also you can mention 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: how it has played out in college baseball right now. 50 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: And I've forgotten real granular for people obviously if you're 51 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: watching the show regularly, Yeah, you know on base plus 52 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: slugging percentage, And this is not adjusted, right, This is 53 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: just the plain old on base plus slugging percentage, both 54 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: in terms of offense and in terms of run prevention, right. 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: And it's one sixty two, So the inventory matters more 56 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: head to head is more accurate. So what I've looked 57 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 3: at in the college game, you look at the SEC. 58 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 3: So in the SEC the last three years, LSU national 59 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 3: champions in twenty five, Tennessee twenty four, LSU twenty three, 60 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 3: they're all one or two in the SEC and OPS differential, 61 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: they win a national championship. In the big leagues twenty two, 62 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 3: the Astros, twenty three, the Rangers, twenty four of the 63 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: Dodgers all top four, one, two and four in the 64 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: big leagues in OPS differential. 65 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: So not just like how. 66 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: Much we slug, it's what we do on both sides 67 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: of the ball from a defensive standpoint, and what you're 68 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: thinking about there. You're like, well, that's just all about pitching, 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: and this is for you Eric and AJ. It's about 70 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: the catching too. I think that's where the Blue Jays. 71 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: It's kind of underrated what Kirk does. The way he receives, 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: he's I think he's number two in the league in 73 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: receiving by stat cast blocking he's number one. 74 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: You know. 75 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: It just doesn't give up nineties. He doesn't get people 76 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: in scoring position. And then it's the defensive athletes. Started 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: sharing this with some of these coaches, you know, I 78 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: called j Johnson at LSU, Oak at Virginia, Mississippi State, 79 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: slash Link Charit at Florida State. I started throwing this 80 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: stuff out there and they're like, wow, man, this is cool. 81 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: You know, wait a second, this has to do with 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: our athletes. So if you have like Freddie Freeman on 83 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: the corner, you have Kirk behind the plate, you have 84 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 3: many Machada at third or maybe Clement who's a UVA 85 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: player at third, and then you got guys in the 86 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: outfield that are deers running around. You're taking away slug 87 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 3: and so when you take away slug that's the secret sauce, 88 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: and I feel that's what's happened with the Blue Jays. 89 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: Think about it. You've added Schurezer, You've added Bieber. That's 90 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: two say young pitchers, and then a prodigy, you know that, 91 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: Rocky Savage. 92 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: You know. 93 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: See you add those three guys. Basically at the end 94 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: of the season, it's a totally different story. They go 95 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: from you know, eighth in the league in OPS differential 96 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: and now they're, you know, getting ready to be one 97 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: game away from a possible championship against the number two 98 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: ranked OPS differential team, the Dodgers. And the other thing 99 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: that I would say is that the Blue Jays took 100 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: out the number one OPS differential the only one that 101 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: was messed up in the playoffs with this, and that 102 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: was the Yankees. 103 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: Yankees were number one of the big leagues in this 104 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: in this metric. 105 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: They wipe them out and then you see a championship 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 3: after that happened in college when LSU wiped out Wake 107 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: Forrest in twenty twenty three. That was Paul Skin's Red 108 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 3: Louder game in Omaha, and boom, LSU goes on to 109 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 3: win the national championship. Same thing last year, LSU wiped 110 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 3: out Arkansas, number one in the country. In this differential boom, 111 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 3: LSU goes on to win the national championship. So you 112 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 3: take off the king, and then these teams have a 113 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: tendency to go get hot and make a statement. 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 5: How small is too small a sample size? Cause in 115 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 5: college I mean I think, really the big you're really 116 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 5: going to small? 117 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, the big league, the big league stuff is small. 118 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 3: Because I just started doing it. I called True Media, 119 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 3: I call her guy the ESPNA, said hey, can you 120 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: give me the playoff teams? And he did, and I 121 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: kept texting Scott. 122 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: I was like, this is crazy. 123 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: We were one hundred percent in the wild card and 124 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 3: then you know one, you know, one messed up in 125 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: the next round, the divisional round, you know, then one 126 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 3: hundred percent and then just kept going. In college baseball, 127 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: it's all series. It's not just the game, it's the series. 128 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 3: So the Super Regionals have been like thirteen of sixteen 129 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: in twenty three and twenty four as far as being accurate, 130 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, it's a small sample size as 131 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: far as years, but the accuracy has been almost at 132 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 3: ninety percent as far as series winners. 133 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 5: That's pretty good. 134 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: David's wait, it's more telling than run differential because Scott 135 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 4: loves run differential. 136 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't run differential. Run to Scott loves like 137 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 3: Scott text me, it's lazy. It's lazy. 138 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: Scott loves it. He loves it. I don't. 139 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: I just find it funny to make you angry when 140 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 4: I say that you like it. 141 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: So it's a lazy stat it is. But so this 142 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: is less lazy. 143 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: This is less lazy, and it's it's interesting that this 144 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 4: is so. Why don't team just build it? Why doesn't 145 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: every team build their program around this? Yeah? 146 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: Why don't they? Yeah, build your build. I guarantee your 147 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: front offices. 148 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 3: And I think Vegas is doing this right now to 149 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: create odds or something. But I called all these guys, 150 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: Jay Johnson, Brian O'Connor, Slosh Link, Jared Sully, uh, you know, 151 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: just everybody, and they're like, Tony, I'll give you a 152 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: funny Tony story. So Tony's going into a regional at Clemson. 153 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: This is three years ago, and I said, Tony, I 154 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: said that you're gonna win the regional. You know, and 155 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: I love those guys at Clemson, but you will win 156 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 3: the regional because of this, you know, when I'm throwing 157 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: the numbers out of him. He goes and shows it 158 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: to his staff and texts me back and goes. He goes, 159 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about, but he goes, 160 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: I showed it to everybody. It made us confident that 161 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: we were highed in this than they were, and sure 162 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: enough that it played out. Brian O'Connor was playing duke 163 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: two years ago to go to Omaha on a Super 164 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: and Brian was really into this. And Brian goes, hey, 165 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: we lost the first game, but if you're right, this 166 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: will play out. I watched the game on TV on 167 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: a Monday. They went to game three in a Super. 168 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: Twenty minutes after the game. He shoots me a text. 169 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: He goes, ops differential, Man, It's there's something to this. 170 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: It played out because they lost the first game, that 171 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: won the next two, and it's. 172 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: All about traffic creating traffic. It's old school. 173 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 3: There's nothing about this that is like launchangle or all 174 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: this other bs. 175 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 176 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: It's this is old school baseball. Do you take your walk, 177 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: do you make contact? You know, do you get on base? 178 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: Do you slug? And do you prevent that stuff on 179 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: the defensive side. And I feel like for years and 180 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 3: I didn't do this as a coach. I just came 181 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: up with this after I got into broadcasting. I said, 182 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 3: I got to know these teams better. How can I 183 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: do it? Looked at the twenty two Old Miss team 184 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 3: that they won the national championship and they were zeroed 185 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: out in the SEC. When you're zero, okay, that means 186 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: you're going to Vegas as like a slot machine. You're 187 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: giving up what you get offensively, if that makes sense. 188 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: All right? So I said, how did you make that run, Mike? 189 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: And he goes, we just eliminated all of our pitchers 190 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: that we're getting it done. 191 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 2: We threw four or five guys total, made a. 192 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: Run to the national championship and they were slugging number 193 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: one in the country that year. They were giving up 194 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 3: slug too. Eliminated that and started winning at a high level. 195 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: And this is what like, all these teams are doing 196 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: pretty much at a ninety percent clip. 197 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 5: When you mentioned all those names, one of the names 198 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 5: you mentioned was Tony Vattello. Yes, this transition, what's his 199 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 5: transition going to be like to the big leagues? And 200 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 5: is he the is he the new poster child. Because 201 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 5: of this doesn't work, all college coaches cooked. If this 202 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 5: does work, we're going to see an influx like the 203 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 5: minor league solve. Everybody that makes a good PowerPoint presentation 204 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 5: all of a sudden becomes a minor league coordinator of 205 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 5: a position. 206 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 2: So correct, Where's Tony at with this? Yeah? 207 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: I agree with you, Eric, I mean, and I've heard 208 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: you guys talk about this already, and it is. It 209 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 3: is fascinating, right, He's the pioneer. But the guy that 210 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: I trust is Buster. And I heard you say this 211 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: a few like a week ago or whatever. You know, 212 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: we recruited Buster out of high school to go to 213 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: Georgia Tech when I was there off from full ride. 214 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: He turns down with the Florida State. What an unbelievable kid, 215 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: unbelievable person, super smart. This guy knows what he's doing. 216 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: I trust him. Tony, on the other hand, I will 217 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 3: tell you straight up. You know he rubbed some people 218 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: the wrong way at times. Whatever with me. I've known 219 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 3: since he was twenty three out on the road, and 220 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 3: I absolutely love the guy. He has been super consistent 221 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: since he was twenty three. You know, I was a 222 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: Power five coach for a long time in the ACC. 223 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 3: Then I went to be a mid major head coach. 224 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: Still treated me the same no matter what uniform I 225 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: was wearing. His team came to Western Carolina and played 226 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: us in Kullowey, which a lot of guys will not 227 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: do at that level. I just feel like he's a 228 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: guy that people can get behind, and he's a guys guy. 229 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: I mean, he's in there in the fight with you. 230 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 3: How that translates to one sixty two. I've never played 231 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 3: in the big leagues. You guys have that's going to 232 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: be the thing. But my boy, Murph, I think is 233 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: the reason this is happening. I think Murph broke that 234 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: glass ceiling. You know, obviously he was in the minor 235 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: leagues for a while, he bench coached all that stuff, 236 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 3: but he his foundation was a college coach. And I 237 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: feel like there's a lot of guys out there if 238 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 3: this does work, that could be quality candidates to do. 239 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: You know, the copycat league will go after it, right 240 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: because you know, like a. 241 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: Tim Corbin or someone like that. 242 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: You know, Slash at Texas, Jay Johnson at LSU would 243 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: be stand Danny Hall from back. You know, he's a retired, 244 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: but boy, you know these are quality, quality basement baseball men. 245 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 4: Well, so you can't hire Slash because he might leave 246 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 4: in the middle and say, wait no, you might have 247 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 4: done that a timer soon for maybe for Texas A 248 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 4: and M fans and TCU fans. But I'm just I mean, 249 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 4: he's had a history of not You can't. 250 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: Really do that in the big leagues, for sure. You 251 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: can't just them. 252 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't really just do that. 253 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of pressure on Tony. If it works, 254 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: if the league, we'll have Tony Vytello's. If it doesn't, 255 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: we might never see it again. 256 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: Sure, coach MO. 257 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: Great to have you on, man, Thanks for the time, 258 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: Thanks for telling everyone how much. Now I got to 259 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: look for this pythagora and theorem, which it's not. 260 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: You can't find it. 261 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 3: That's the thing that you know, I wanted on every 262 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 3: stat sheet at the end of the sheet that ought 263 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 3: to have OPS allowed by that picture and ops allowed 264 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 3: by the staff, and then OPS obviously is on the 265 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: offensive side, and then the differential ought to be there. 266 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 3: We ought to know that differential of hey, where are 267 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: these teams live? I mean, just one more thing, aj 268 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: Our White Sox had the worst differential. Let me find it. 269 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: Our White Sox last year. 270 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 5: I mean the worst. 271 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 4: Wait, twenty or twenty four, that was twenty four. And 272 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 4: by the way, they also lost the most games of 273 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: all time, so I mean that's a big examples. Right, 274 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: here's the difference there are ops difference offices. 275 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 5: How many games they lost last. 276 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 3: Year, That's right, it's amazing the wins and losses, how 277 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: they match up to ops on the on the allowed side, 278 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 3: that secret sauce, and how that difference is the standings. 279 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: We're not even talking about wins and losses in college 280 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: and in the big leagues. It's crazy. 281 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 3: And so for that not to be out there, and 282 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 3: even I'm embarrassed and saw all these other coaches they've 283 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: never even heard of it. 284 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: When I started talking to them about it. 285 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the top guys in college and we're 286 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: all sitting there like, why weren't we thinking about this 287 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: all along? 288 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: And it's just it's like the forest through the trees, 289 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: it's right there in. 290 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: Front of our face, and uh, I mean, it's pretty 291 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 3: obvious what's going on. 292 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: So anyways, your parential trash lazy coach Moller the man, 293 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. Great to have you on. 294 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: Thank you rock Man, You guys crush it.