1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Biggest hearais, Oh you're okay, You're okay, Relix, ktchen Ox 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: staying a kid just way back. Wait, are you looking 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: at these parts the way they are chips on a 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: poker table? Actually, probably because I still like playing. Damn, 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: I got poker chips still, Dan, I'm doing okay, I 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: got the chips. Welcome to That Scene with Me Dan 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: Patrick and Amazon Original podcast where I get to talk 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: to Hollywood's top actors and directors about some of the 9 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: most iconic scenes that have defined their careers, helped shape 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: the cinematic landscape, and even become fixtures in pop culture. 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: On today's episode, we're joined by actor and writer Jake Johnson. 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: He was born and raised in Evanston, Illinois, a suburb 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: of Chicago. He began his writing career at the University 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: of Iowa, where he wrote a play that got him 15 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: into ny Uses School of Arts. While in New York City, 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: he in turned It's Saturday Night Live and started a 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: sketch comedy troupe called The Midwesterners. Jake eventually made the 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: decision to move to Los Angeles after earning himself a 19 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: slew of supporting roles. Jake eventually landed a leading role 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: in the show New Girl, where he played Nick Miller. 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: That show ran from twenty eleven to twenty eighteen. In 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, he also starred in the Sundance film Safety 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: Not Guaranteed. Jake saw his career continued to blossom as 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: he starred in smashed blockbuster hits like Spider Man, Into 25 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: the Spider Verse and Jurassic World. Jake maintained a presence 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: in the indie film world and went on to collaborate 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: with fellow Chicago native Joe Swanberg. They created and Win 28 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: It All in twenty seventeen. Win It All was written 29 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: and directed by Jake and Joe. Jake stars as Eddie Garrett, 30 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: a small time gambler who agrees to stash a Duffel 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: bag for an acquaintance who's going to prison. He then 32 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: discovers their cash in the bag and he can't resist 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: the urge to dip into the funds. The scene in 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: question is the moment when Eddie has painstakingly won all 35 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: the money back he's lost, but then he has a 36 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: heart attack. We're talking about that scene where you have 37 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: a panic attack, and I wasn't sure if it's a 38 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: heart attack or a panic attack. But I think it's 39 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: in the script or in the movie both ways. Yeah 40 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: it is, It's unclear. But how do you go about 41 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: having a panic attack? How do you go? Hey, let 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: me do some research on panic attacks here. So I 43 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: went to NYU for dramatic writing when I came up, 44 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: and everything about that school that was drilled into my 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: head was about the three act structure and the peak 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: of the movie. Your protagonist has to drive towards the 47 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: moment and you re ask the question of the movie, 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: and the question of that movie is if given a 49 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: chance to stop gambling and break even but better his life, 50 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: would Eddie quit? And so we knew, like, well, we're 51 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: going to get to that moment, and I don't think 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: he would quit, but I think he really likes this 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: woman enough that he would want to quit. So we 54 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: knew we were building too this tension. So the way 55 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: that we shot it was all those extras in the movie. 56 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: We were really just playing cards, and we got a 57 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: bunch of actual cards players, so we were just playing 58 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: hands and the director was shooted, and so we built 59 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: up to a scene where I would know, on this 60 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: hand is where I'm gonna start building it, so I 61 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: would try to actually feel the tension from the table, 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: and then once I would feel something real, I would 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: really heighten it and then you know, go to the 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: world of make belief. I O, god, damn, it feels 65 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: like there's a card I know, and if I'm I'm 66 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: above one hundred. So I played into like one second one, 67 00:03:45,200 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm having a heart attack attack he die. How did 68 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: you think you performed with your panic attack? That's a 69 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: good question. I haven't judged it. What I will say 70 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: is I think I did good enough. The guy in 71 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: it with me with the long hair who carries me 72 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: out is a friend of mine I grew up with, 73 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: named Nick Poole, And when the movie started, I had 74 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: the image for having a panic attack and being carried 75 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: in somebody's arms like a damsel and distrust being run 76 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: out of a casino. And I texted him out of 77 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the blue, and he lives in Chicago. He's not an actor, really, 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: and I said like, how are you doing with working 79 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: out these days? And he's like, I'm mildly strong, and 80 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, could you work on carrying me? Start doing 81 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: some exercise. I might have a movie where you're gonna 82 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: have to carry me out and run a block and 83 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: a half. And so I think he did an amazing job. 84 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: We did like six takes. And I'm not a small 85 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm near two hundred pounds, but I'm like, pretty nice 86 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: staff Nick. How much of you is in Eddie? Or 87 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: how much of Eddie is in you? So in all 88 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 1: the characters that I play, the essence of me is 89 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: in them because I'm the one doing it and I'm 90 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: playing it. But what's never me is the story. So 91 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: for Win it All. I am a gambler and I 92 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: do play cards. And the reason I wrote that movie 93 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: was I worked at the Hollywood Park Casino in Englewood 94 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: from my first job in Los Angeles. So I worked 95 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: the graveyard shift with true degenerates, and I would see 96 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: these people just winning and losing their life. That's not me. 97 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: Even though I love playing cards, I'm a pretty conservative gambler. 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: I like the game of it. I like the sport 99 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: of cards as opposed to the adrenaline rush. I relate 100 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: to him in terms of tone, but not in terms 101 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: of story. When you're opening up the bag, it's like, 102 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: I can't look, I gotta look, I can't I gotta 103 00:05:53,800 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 1: look yeah. Oh no oh no, oh no oh no, 104 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: Well that's not great, Like you had this this tug 105 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: a war going on inside of you. There is that 106 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: how you wrote it in mind. In his closet was 107 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 1: a ticket to ride, and he really wanted to ride, 108 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: but he knew it was a huge mistake. So it's like, 109 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: you have the most tempting thing in the whole world 110 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: in the other room and you live alone and you're depressed. 111 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: How are you not opening that bag? So I was like, 112 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: that's the game of Eddie. Once he gets to the casino, 113 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: I don't care how good he does. He's gonna go 114 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 1: until he's broke because this is the most fun he has. 115 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: Just want to take five hundred dollars out of the 116 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: bag and I want to gamble with it. And then 117 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: as soon as I win anything, I put the original 118 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: five hundred back in the bag and I put the 119 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: bag away. A loser. You've never won. You lose, lose, 120 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: lose USDA Prime Rib loser. No, I'm not cut of you. 121 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: It's cut it's a six out away, a loser. You're 122 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: not the money. I might how important was filming in 123 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: Chicago to you? I did three movies with Joe Swanberg. 124 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: We did Drinking Buddies, win it All, and digging for 125 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Fire and drinking Buddies and win it All. We wanted 126 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: Chicago win it All. We wrote there. I got to 127 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: go home, and I got to film at home, which 128 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: I hadn't experienced all. I got to see my family. 129 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: I got to bring my kids, so all those days 130 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: there with there's nephews and nieces and grandparents. I don't 131 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: know how to make a win it All type movie 132 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: in California California Split, which was obviously a huge influence 133 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: for that. That's a California gambling movie. And there's a 134 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: California vibe in a Chicago vibe, and I wanted Eddie 135 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: to feel very Chicago. I wanted those big brick buildings 136 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: that could withstand winters. I wanted that heaviness there. So 137 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: if we didn't shoot in Chicago, I wouldn't have wanted 138 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: to make that movie. Did the Cubs winning the World 139 00:07:55,880 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: series change you? It did? It ended a love affair 140 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: I had with a team as a little boy. I 141 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: grew up a Cub fan. I had Harry Carry and 142 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: Steve Stone in the booth. Everything about the Cubs culture. 143 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: I loved. My era was kind of fast food in 144 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: malls and chains, and people would tell me about what 145 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: it used to be. The Cubs were the only thing 146 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: that I experienced that I got to feel it. If 147 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: we won, it was magic because the other team was 148 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: better than us. When the Cubs won Game seven, which 149 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: has to be the most exciting baseball game in the 150 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: history of baseball, the team has turned more into just 151 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,719 Speaker 1: a professional sports team. To me that it'll have its 152 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: ups and downs. They're going to sell now that get 153 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: some young talent. They'll build it back up. But that 154 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: thing that I used to love is now gone. Are 155 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: you happy if the Cubs don't win for another one 156 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: hundred years? I need to figure out where I stand 157 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: with the Cubs. I don't know yet how much I 158 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: care about the logo or if I care about the players. 159 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: I got to see how things shake out. But you're 160 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: okay if they don't win for another hundred years, I 161 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: got my worlds. Yeah, you're good. I'm kind of good. 162 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: Like I want the video board gone. I want them 163 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: to do less advertisement there. There's like a farmer's market 164 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: at Wrigley Field, though I went there a couple of 165 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: years ago and there's literally like they were selling honey 166 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: in the stadium. I'm like, and the worst part, Dan, 167 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: was the honey was excellent. It was great for my allergies. 168 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: I want to go back to like hot dogs and 169 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: like overpriced piss beer. I'm like, stop selling me products. 170 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: I like, I don't remember remember the era. And now 171 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: because of social media, players are like interacting more. You'll 172 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: hear like another great story about like tattoos Junior who 173 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: like climbed in the crowd and did another endearing thing. 174 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: But because they get it now. Back in the day 175 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: when there's no cameras, remember they always would ignore us. 176 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: You'd be right next to a player and you'd be like, hey, 177 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: my friend has cancer. They're dying. Lift one finger and 178 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: the player would be like so focused. It was like 179 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: they were robots you could eat two from like, hey, 180 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: Jody Davis, blink your eyes. I'm dying. It'll save my life. 181 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Never he would never blink his eyes. Certain people talk 182 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: about they hate losing. They don't enjoy winning as much 183 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: as they hate losing. When it comes to gambling, is 184 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: there a similar feeling to then are you a gambler? Dan? 185 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: Do you play cards. I would do it with football games, 186 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: Oh you would? And what made you stop? Because I 187 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: couldn't watch the games that I was betting on. Totally 188 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: just a small thing there, Jake, Okay, hey, I'm not 189 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: gonna watch that game. Did you put money on it? Yes, 190 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: I'd drive around for three hours because the adrenaline and 191 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: the anxiety was just too much to enjoy it. Yes. 192 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: The thing about gambling deep down, and I've realized it 193 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: because I am a poker player, so I've sat in 194 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: those casinos hours on end. What I had to realize 195 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: is I'm not doing it for the money. I'm doing 196 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: it for the enjoyment. And it's why I'm not a 197 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: professional and I can't take it to the next level. 198 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: My cousin Frank is a professional card player. He has 199 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: a number in his head, seven hundred and fifty bucks. 200 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: If he hits seven hundred and fifty on a Friday night, 201 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: he cashes out and goes home and puts that in 202 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: his savings. That's his pot. Well, if I have seven 203 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars, that's extra. Now I get to 204 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: play loose. The only time that's going to get me 205 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: off the table is when I have zero in my 206 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: ATM won't allow me to take any more money. That's 207 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: the time to leave. Is not messing, sir, So for 208 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: win it all, it was very important to me that 209 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: even though we resolve that, and it's a quote unquote 210 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: happy ending, because he sees that he goes to the 211 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: woman in the end and he makes it in time 212 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: for dinner, Eddie will be back in a casino. So 213 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: the only thing that gets him out of that table 214 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: is he has a panic attack and his heart starts 215 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: beating too hard and he's too jacked up. I don't 216 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: believe that these movies should be lessons. I just believe 217 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: their entertainment. So Eddie doesn't really learn anything. In Windill, 218 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: Eddie screwed up at that table, got off when he broke. 219 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: Even if he didn't have a panic attack, he would 220 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: have lost all that money. People get nervous watching other 221 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: people gamble. I would sit next to somebody at the 222 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: high stakes table and he was betting twenty five thousand 223 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: dollars on each hand. And this is a friend of 224 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: mine and I'm watching. He had four hands, so he'd 225 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: bet in twenty five thousand. It was his if he 226 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: was betting twenty five dollars. Yeah, totally, but he had 227 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: no joy. There was no joy in his face at 228 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: one point three of the four he won, and I said, 229 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: how's that feel? He goes business if you're really gambling, 230 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: if Eddie's really gambling, or when I was really playing cards, 231 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: chips are no longer money right now. If we finished 232 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: this and I'd go, like, you know what I'm gonna do, 233 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go make the biggest life mistake of my life. 234 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna not listen to my wife's advice. I'm going 235 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: to Vegas, baby. When I got a hundred dollar chip, 236 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: because I'm not in a big gambling phase. I know 237 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: what I can buy for a hundred dollars, and so 238 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: my hands will shake when I push it in. When 239 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: you're really gambling, chips aren't money, they're chips, and so 240 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: the number it says on the chip gives you that 241 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: power at the table. So if you're gambling and you 242 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: want to bully somebody and you know they have nine 243 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: thousand in front of them, but you have fifteen thousand, 244 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: well you can push your fifteen because fifteen is bigger 245 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,479 Speaker 1: than nine. You don't think I could buy a Sedan 246 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: for this car, and I took the bust to the casino. 247 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: You just think fifteen is bigger than nine. People talk 248 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: about you can see somebody's personality in a game of golf, 249 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: you're with them four hours. You can tell how competitive 250 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: if they cheat. I didn't know if you can tell 251 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: that at poker. I can tell people's personalities from acting 252 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: with them and how they act in a scene. I'm 253 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: not quite experience. It's enough with poker, so I think 254 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: people can get a read on my personality. But the 255 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: reason I'm not great at it is if they're acting, 256 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: because the whole thing with poker is obviously you sometimes 257 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: want to act differently than how you're playing. At a 258 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: certain point. If you're really bad and you're very medium, 259 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: I got your ass, man, I'm gonna grind you up 260 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: and take your money. But if you're good, you got 261 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: my ass, You're gonna grind me up and take my money. 262 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Because there are people I'll be playing like a home 263 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: game with, and seven out of the nine people at 264 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: the table, I'm like, I just gotta wait this guy up, 265 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: but I'll take his money. And then there are two 266 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: where I'm like, I don't care if I've aces I'm 267 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: folding because that guy scares me. I think he's like 268 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: reading my brain, and I don't like it at all. 269 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm adding I don't want to deal with him. They spook, 270 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: and some of those players end up being the worst players. 271 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: They end up being like, Oh, you're just a true idiot. 272 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: I believed you were brilliant, but you actually have nothing 273 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: in your brain. My name is Edward Garrett, and my 274 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: friend Jean was I'm addicted to losing. That was easy 275 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: for you. Yes, you were right, so you must really 276 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: be in trouble. I'm in trouble, all right. If you 277 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: honestly start laughing after all that, I'm gonna murder you. 278 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: How do you separate yourself when you're writing for yourself? 279 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: I prefer it because the first thing I always care 280 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: about is the structure and the story and making sure 281 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: the whole thing works. So the main thing that I'm 282 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: trying to do is track the whole story. So you're 283 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: building it that way, and once I know I have 284 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: a structure that works, then I'm putting myself in those 285 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: scenes and I'm trying to think, like, are there any 286 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: laughs here? Is there any tenderness? Here? Is there a 287 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: love story here. I think it would be harder if 288 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: I was just writing a character named like Gerald forty 289 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: brown hair, heavy set. I'm like, no, I'm just doing 290 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: my tone. I don't know how else to do it. 291 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: But you get to voice Spider Man, you get a 292 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: call for Jurassic World. What was more important to you? 293 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: Voice of Spider Man or Jurassic World? I mean, if 294 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: I'm being honest, they're all the same lead. Are you 295 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: looking at these parts the way they are chips on 296 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: a poker table? Actually, probably any job I get going 297 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: back to poker, it is just more chips. I get 298 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: to keep playing. As long as I get to do 299 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: good work, I'm still playing. So Spider Man was great. 300 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: But the reason I liked Spider Man is Peter B. 301 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: Parker was written beautifully. The scenes that I performed in 302 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: that that writing was phenomenal. My name is Peter B. Parker. 303 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: I was bitten by a radioactive spider and for the 304 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: last twenty two years I thought I was the one 305 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: and only Spider Man. You see, I saved the city, 306 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: fell in love, I got married, saved the city some more, 307 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: maybe too much. My marriage got testy, made some dicy 308 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: money choices, don't invest in a spider themed restaurant. Then 309 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: like fifteen years past, blah blah blah, super bane. I 310 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: broke my back, A drunk flew into my face. I 311 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: buried at May. My wife and I split up, but 312 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: I handled it like a chip. Phil Lord, who rewrote 313 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: Spider Verse a lot. You know, we had a great staff, 314 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: but there would be days I'd show up to record 315 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: and he would hand me something that he had just 316 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: printed out from his computer, and he would always preface 317 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: it like, sorry, man, I just can we try this. 318 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 1: It's not great. They'd be like a typo in it, 319 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: and I'm not kidding. I would, you know, around like others, 320 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: I don't like to overly show emotion. I'm from like 321 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: a just a different part of the country in a 322 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: different era where my age group were not as open. 323 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: But I would at times have like that like lump 324 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: feeling where like there's like an MJ scene that would 325 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: be really sad, and I'd have to go, like, this 326 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: is really well written, nice, where I like, you guys 327 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: are very talented, Let's shoot this thing, let's regard it, 328 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: let's go And for me, that's the stuff that like 329 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: really excites me. I loved the writing to Peter Parker. 330 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: That's why I want to do another one. I just 331 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: want to say those words, man, because the words were good. 332 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do with your life after that? Well, 333 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't happen for a while because I 334 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: still like playing. Damn. So okay, okay, I got poker chips. 335 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: Still damn, I'm doing okay. I got the checks right now. 336 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: I got a few fifteens and nines. I got a 337 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: couple of TI Let's roll when you interned it Saturday 338 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: Night Live? Was there any part of you that wanted 339 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: to audition for Saturday Night Live? Well, I really, as 340 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: a kid, really wanted to be on Saturday Night Live. 341 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: And then when I got there, I realized how much 342 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: of a business it was, and I realized how naive 343 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: I was. So I was twenty years old. I was 344 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: in a sketch comedy troupe in New York. We performed everywhere. 345 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: We would read that, like the old porn theaters in 346 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: Times Square and charge a dollar for people to come. 347 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: We were in all these old theaters in the Lowery Side, 348 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: and I believed you did that, and then all of 349 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: a sudden, you were Will Ferrell that like, You're performed 350 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: for eighty people and it sold out place doing stuff 351 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: with like your childhood best friends, and then like the 352 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: King of Hollywood hands you like a bucket of gold, 353 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: and like I wouldn't get headshots because you don't need him. No, 354 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't have much interest in an agent 355 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: because like m I don't think you need him. I 356 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: realized very quickly when I was at SNL that these 357 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: were professionals and there was a hierarchy to the industry 358 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: that I needed to learn, and so it made me 359 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: take a major step back and figure out like, oh, 360 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: I probably need to go to LA I need to 361 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: get an agent and start this thing. Did you see 362 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: yourself in any of those people on Saturday Night Live? No? 363 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: You know who I saw myself as comedically. Who really 364 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: I looked up to was Mister Show. Did you ever 365 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: watch that old sketch show with Bob and Dave. Yeah, 366 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: So when I saw Mister Show, I was right out 367 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 1: of high school, and that was the first thing I 368 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: saw where I thought, this is really what I would 369 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: like to do. But when I saw Bob and Dave 370 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: doing that show and I saw how good of like 371 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: actors they were, and they would do a skit, but 372 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: they would like fully commit and like David Cross's character work, 373 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: and that was like so funny and so three dimensional. 374 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: And Bob, who's now like revealed himself to be like 375 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: one of the best act like you sense that. And 376 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: their skits weren't just like little blackout skits had like 377 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: weird endings. They were whole stories. And so I wanted 378 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: to do that really badly. You brought up something when 379 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: you were twenty eight, twenty nine, and maybe you were 380 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: not going anywhere, But did you ever feel that guilt 381 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: if mom and dad are disappointed in you or you 382 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: let them down? The ceiling for me, from my parents 383 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: point of view, I think was pretty low. You know, 384 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: like my brother was like the smart kid in my family. 385 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: The stories were how like you know, your your older 386 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: brother Dan was reading like the newspaper at three. You know, 387 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: my sister was like the creative one who was drawn 388 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: and like every story even to this day when like 389 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: now my kids are hearing stories. But you had an 390 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: older brother or sister and you were the baby monkey, 391 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: Like what happened? Why aren't you like the others? All 392 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: that's left is like the one who's got like like 393 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: mustard all over his shirt. And so I think the 394 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: fact that like I'm not living with them is such 395 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: a happy thing for that. Is there a big picture 396 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 1: goal for you that you say I want to do that, 397 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: you know what? It's more abstract. When it started, I 398 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: grew up watching Cheers. Cheers for me was the perfect show, 399 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 1: and I've watched every episode of it multiple times. I 400 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: wanted to go to the bar Cheers, and I wanted 401 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: to be in Cheers. So as an actor, I wanted 402 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: to be in a show. I wanted to be in 403 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: a TV show that felt real enough for people so 404 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: that I could experience what it was like to be 405 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: in Cheers. And at this point, what I really want 406 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: to do is, and it's a little selfish, but there's 407 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: certain jobs I'll have where the actors are really good 408 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: and the writings really good, and everybody cares and it 409 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: feels really good doing it. So there's a story I 410 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: heard growing up. It was an improv teacher did a 411 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: thing about like everybody believing in the process, and they 412 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: were doing a scene in a kitchen. They did a 413 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: whole scene, like a forty five minute scene, a couple 414 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: in a kitchen, and then they asked the audience, who 415 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: were all students in that make believe kitchen with no 416 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: set It was two people in two chairs of the 417 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: fake kitchen wall that they never talked about what color 418 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: was the paint. Eighty percent of the people all said 419 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: like light yellow or whatever the color was. Because those 420 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: two actors had done Make Believe so great that the 421 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: people all had a collective unconscious and they all saw 422 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: the same walls together, and that idea, I think is 423 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: so cool and so all I really want to do 424 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: in the future is get more of that where when 425 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: we go to work and with a group of people 426 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: who want to do it for the right reasons, we're 427 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: all fully committing. Nobody cares about celebrity or how many 428 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: followers they get, or if the angle of their face 429 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: looks good in this shot. But we're all just there 430 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: to try to do this thing that we all do professionally, 431 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: and if we can hit it and I can be 432 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: part of those for a few years, that would make 433 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: me very happy when I finally get knocked off this ride. 434 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: What character would you have been in Cheers? Probably an 435 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 1: even dumber Woody body wise, growing up I thought I 436 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: was going towards norm. You know, I was a cheeseburger 437 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: fries guy every day of my life. Not enough, and 438 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: so I just kept getting heavier and heavier, and I'm like, 439 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: I'll be a norm for sure. I'm not smart enough 440 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: to be a cliff. I don't have the details. And 441 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: then as I've leaned into that show, I'm like, it's 442 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: probably woody. What do people say when they come up 443 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: to you on the street? Did you get Nick Miller 444 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: questions new girl? So I've got a funny story about 445 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: winning all. Actually, I was in Iceland doing a short 446 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: with Jason Schwartzman. Jason and I took like a day 447 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: where I don't know how to describe it, besides like 448 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: we had a date, you know, like he and I 449 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: walked around Iceland together and went like shopping and got food. 450 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: It sounds romantic. I was like, well, this is lovely, 451 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: Jason Sharman, you know, are just saying slice. He would 452 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: like come out of a place and be like, I 453 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: got us ice cream cones, and I'd be like perfect. 454 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: But he walked into some shop and I didn't want 455 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: to go in. So I was standing on some side 456 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: street and I saw some appeared to be like a 457 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: late eighties punk rock like a punk rock guy who 458 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: looked like he should be in the movie Warriors. Leather 459 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: jacket spiked. It was so over the top that it 460 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: got scary. You know when somebody so commits to a 461 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: style that you're like, no, I am scared of you. 462 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: Well done. So he's walking towards me. I'm feeling ten 463 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: and he stops and he goes, in broken English, you're 464 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: that guy from that Netflix Gambling movie. And I go yeah, 465 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: and he goes, I love that movie. I go thanks, man, 466 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: he goes, I like gambling. That one was my movie. Now, 467 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: it would have been better if he said something about 468 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: new Girl. Who would have been more so? Here's the 469 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: new girl one. I was in Hawaii and three Hawaiian 470 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: guys on the back of a pickup truck drove by 471 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: me with no shirts, and I thought like, those dudes 472 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: are cool. I'm like, no doubt about it. Those dudes 473 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: look cool. And one of them goes like, who's that girl? 474 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: Who's that gun? I was like, there it is. Man. 475 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: That was like close to the theme song, but I 476 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 1: know what you're doing. And then they all chuckled and 477 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: drove off, and I'm like, all right, they watched a 478 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: New Girl apparently, but you got a long run there. 479 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: Hollywood can help you with success, but doesn't help you 480 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: with failure. How did the lows help you with the 481 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: highs or the vice versa? The lows help me because 482 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: I didn't start making money as an actor until I 483 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: was twenty eight years old, so I had already failed 484 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: in the eyes of my loved ones. So I'm kind 485 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: of on house money. When you're twenty eight years old 486 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: and you moved to LA after going through like a 487 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: really bad breakup, you know, from like the parents point 488 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: of view, things didn't turn out great. So when I started, 489 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, doing commercials for years and guest stars, and 490 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: then when I finally started, like, you know, getting on television, 491 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: I had had a really nice run. And when the 492 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 1: pandemic hit. The truth is, if that was it, I 493 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: don't have that high of a ceiling. Yeah, I compare 494 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: our business a lot to sports. I don't necessarily want 495 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: a big picture of me outside of the stadium to 496 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: help advertise sales for seats. I just want to be 497 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: on a major League team for another twenty years. Like 498 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: it's really fun to play this game. I feel like 499 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm at a really nice place where jobs are coming 500 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: in and I'm happy to take them. If I never 501 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: have another thing that hits as big as New Girl, 502 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: what a great wave. That was the day that I 503 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: no longer get offered parts the things I do, nobody 504 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: buys them. Well, I hope I can stretch this out 505 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: for another like ten years. I enjoy doing this and 506 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: so that was the inspiration for Ride the Eagle. So 507 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: about Ride the Eagle, your new film. If you're gonna 508 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: have thirty seconds to describe it, what would you say? 509 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: I would describe it as the story of people coming 510 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: back together after being isolated for a very long time. 511 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: So my friend Trent O'Donnell. We did seventy episodes of 512 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: New Girl together, and in the midst of the pandemic, 513 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,239 Speaker 1: when I thought my business had totally dried up and 514 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: I was on a show that got canceled for COVID reasons, 515 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: Trent and I talked and said, why don't we just 516 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: write checks and make a movie that we want to make, 517 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: a nice pace that we like, a tone we like 518 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: about how badly we miss other people and how it's 519 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: time to forgive just to get together and have some 520 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: laughs again. So that was the idea, and that was 521 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: longer than thirty seconds. How important is it not only 522 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: what you write, but where you're writing? Very important. So 523 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: for this movie it's reverse engineered. A lot of times 524 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,199 Speaker 1: writers start and they say, I want to write a 525 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: movie about anything space travel and let the producers find 526 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: it out. Well, on this we knew we had limited 527 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: budget and time, so we knew the locations and we 528 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: wrote around that. So we knew we had access to 529 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: the cabins. We knew we had access to the place 530 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: where my character lives to start, So every scene and 531 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: everything was built around where we could be and when 532 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: and how we could work with other actors because we 533 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: could not spend time with too many people in one 534 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: space because of COVID. This was long before vaccines, so 535 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: everything was about how do we get a story between 536 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: a mother and a son if a mother and son 537 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: can't be together. So then we created the VHS tapes 538 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: and the talking and you know everything about it that way, 539 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: high Leaf, look at me talking to you, even though 540 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm done. That's a trippy, right, Well, I'm still here 541 00:28:53,000 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: spiritually right behind you. I got you. Do you personally 542 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: reach out to Susan Surrandon. No, it was done through agents. 543 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: Shaney Rosenweeg read the script. A UTA agent sent it 544 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: to Susan. We found out when she was interested. We said, 545 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, we'll do anything Susan wants or needs to 546 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: get her to do this. So we had a lot 547 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: of meetings with her, and talent kind of shows why 548 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: they're talent at a certain point. And for Susan, apart 549 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: from just her performance, the questions she asks and the 550 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: discussions we had about her character were just the right 551 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: questions in the movies about a mother who abandons her 552 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: son but does it because she's in a cult and 553 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: she believes in the messaging of the cult. The son 554 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: does not believe, so he leaves. So she wanted to 555 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: know what that cult stood for, even though the cult 556 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: isn't in the movie, to make sure she could identify 557 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: with the character. That's a really good question and a 558 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: conversation to be having that a lot of actors don't do. 559 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: I acted in a Sandler movie with Susan Surrandon, so 560 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: we do have something in common. Pretty cool. She had 561 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: no idea who I was. She had no idea wh 562 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: I was. Dan. I just remember I think Sandler said, 563 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: don't make eye contact with Susan, just it's better that 564 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: you don't. Let's not even try to have a conversation 565 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 1: with her. The guys that on my show, they were 566 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: a film crew when I was the TV reporter in prison, 567 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: and she just looking at like, how did these slaptics 568 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: get in this movie? That is so funny that is 569 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: was Sandler messing with you? Or is that real about 570 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: the eye contact? If Sandman says something in a certain way, 571 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: then I respect that. Yeah, I could go Danny, Danny, Danny, 572 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: don't make I could just let's just let's just do 573 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: the scene. Like she's not gonna say, hey, you know, 574 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: what do you what do you think of Fernando Tatis Junior? 575 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: You know? So you want to know what Sandler protected 576 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: her from is here's the example on how you and 577 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: I are similar and why he knew you and stopped you. 578 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: So I did a scene a New Girl with Prince, 579 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: So Prince came on did an episode of New Girl. 580 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: So there was a scene where it was me, Prince 581 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: and Zoey Deschanel. Hi, I'm Prince. So it seems to 582 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: be the problem. Halo rout of me. I haven't given 583 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: you enough time to freak out yet. You may do so. 584 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: Now it was the big Super Bowl episode, blah blah blah. 585 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: Well we finished the take and he doesn't get up. 586 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: He just stays sitting. We're on a bench, the three 587 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: of us. I'm not getting up if Prince isn't getting 588 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: up to go to his trailer. JK J is not 589 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: getting up to go to his trailer. So you know 590 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: they gotta relight. It's gonna take like twenty minutes. So 591 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm sitting shoulder to shoulder with Prince, so you know, 592 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: I start BSk in a little bit. I know he's 593 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: from Minnesota. I know he's a fan of basketball, so 594 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: I start asking about like the Tea Wolves a little bit. 595 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: I start talking Vikings Bears rivalry, and at a certain point, 596 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm just trying. I'm like, I don't know what to say. 597 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan, and I don't think silence is 598 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: the move in this. I don't think it's would you do? 599 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: I sat next to Prince like he was some stranger, 600 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: fucking Prince Man. I'm gonna say something. What I learned 601 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 1: very quickly is that small talk about sports was not 602 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: the move, because at one point we're talking about the 603 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: Vikings and I brought up some there was some story 604 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: that year of I can't remember, but it was something 605 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: like backup who. I think it was a kid who 606 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: was a quarterback became a wide receiver something. I liked 607 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: his story, so I was like, pretty cool story about 608 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: like blah blah blah blah. And he said, I'm not 609 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: the kind of fan you are, I guess, and I 610 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: had to go like, I'm so sorry. And then we 611 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: sat there quietly for a while, and I realized somebody 612 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: should have told me don't make eye contact with friends. 613 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: During the NBA Finals, when Dennis robin was playing for 614 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 1: the Bulls in Chicago, Princes their courtside. I'm courtside working 615 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: for ESPN. Dennis Rodman chases a loose ball out of 616 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: bounds and he slides right by Prince and he gets 617 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: up and he starts talking to Prince about going out 618 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: after the game. Now Prince doesn't say a word, you know, 619 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: Rodman was like, what's the deal? Like not, he wouldn't 620 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: even respond to him. Later I found out that Dennis 621 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: was told that he had to talk to Prince's bodyguard, 622 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: who then relays the mess CREDI to Prince. So look, 623 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: I think you and I are cut from a similar cloth. 624 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: But what I will say about people like that is 625 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: I'm I don't head the thing where I find that annoying. 626 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: I am so happy they exist. Like Prince and Hannah 627 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: Simone who played Sees in the show, they exchanged numbers. 628 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: They sent each other a nice text that emails once 629 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: in a while. Obviously Prince and I did not exchange numbers. 630 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: I would have been happy too, we just didn't get 631 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: to that point. D The emails heat Prince would send 632 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: to Hannah, a lot of them would be all in 633 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: the subject line and like the capitalizations would be really weird. 634 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: Where would be like lowercase lowercase like hello h E 635 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: L L, and then the L and the O R 636 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: and caps like it's like a message of for safety, 637 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: like there's a code in there. I've spent way too 638 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: many hours of my life thinking about like the type 639 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: of person who will send an email with really weird caps, 640 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: with like no punctuation, and nobody in their life says like, hey, Prince, 641 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: do you want to say like hello Hannah, kalma new paragraph. 642 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: It's just the way we communicate in English, and I 643 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: love that. Like, there are celebrities and people who don't 644 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: live by the same codes we do. But don't you 645 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: feel like we're just not part of the cool people. 646 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: Never happened. But that's not my life, man, And I 647 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: don't know what I would do there. I don't want 648 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 1: any part part of it. But like, the weirdest part 649 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 1: of my life is if, like I meet somebody in 650 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 1: an elevator and they asked for a photo and then 651 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: they go like, you're really down to earth guy, and 652 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in the same fucking elevator. The marian 653 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,399 Speaker 1: is you? Man? I booked this on Priceline too, because 654 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: it's cheap. What do you think I'm gonna leave this 655 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: elevator and going a jet to Mars. I just have 656 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: a different job, man, Jake. Good luck with the movie. 657 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: Thanks for the laughs. I appreciate it. Thanks for spending time. Yeah, 658 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: it was great talking to you, Dan. Thank you, bud 659 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: Hi buddy. New episodes of that Scene are available exclusively 660 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: on Amazon Music, and all of season one is available 661 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast, so make sure you follow 662 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: us in the Amazon Music app. That Scene with Dan 663 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: Patrick created hosted produced by me Our showrunner and producer 664 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: is Brendan Pike, edited by Nathan Moody. The show is 665 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: executive produced by Paul Anderson. 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