1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A pregnant woman tortured for 2 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: days on end then murdered. Is it connected to online dating? 3 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: And I hate to say that because, for instance, my nephew, 4 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: you know him, Jackie met a beautiful, wonderful, brilliant woman online. 5 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: They're married, they have a son, they're perfectly happy together, 6 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: they just built a house. They're just you know, thrilled 7 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: to be together. So it does work. Then there is 8 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: the dark side of online dating. A pregnant woman tortured 9 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: for days then murdered. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 10 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I'm talking about a 11 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: beautiful young woman. Brook Slocum dead joining me an all 12 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: star panel. Heather Walker, investigative reporter with Wood TV and 13 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: Grand Rapids. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned California psycho unless you 14 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com out 15 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: of South Carolina. Doctor Michelle Dupree Homicide Investigation Field Guide 16 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: is her book. She's a medical examiner and Stephen Lampley 17 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: detective at Stephen Lampley dot com. First to you, Heather Walker. Yeah, 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: this is what I find and I'm just writing about 19 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: this in a book. I just turned in the manuscript, 20 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim, and I'm writing about online dating. 21 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: You know, Heather, people kind of have a stigma and 22 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: they shouldn't when they online date, try to meet people. 23 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But Heather, I 24 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: want to know about this beautiful woman, Brook Slocum, because 25 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: somehow she's getting dragged through the mud. She's a dead, 26 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: pregnant lady, and I don't like that. Yeah, I mean, 27 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: this is definitely a case. I mean I've after all 28 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: of this unfolded. We did seek with their family and 29 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: we read her diary. They shared some passages from there. 30 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: She just seems like this innocent young girl who was 31 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: in love and she happened to be pregnant, and she 32 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: was just trying to do the best she could. White 33 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: man a man at Heather Walker, You're like music to 34 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: my ears. Because I would go visit victims' families or 35 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: crime scenes. If I had found a diary or a journal, 36 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: I would just said, Okay, we're gonna pick this up 37 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: tomorrow and just sit right down on the floor and 38 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: read that, because I want to know everything there is 39 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: about my victims that I can find. Out you read 40 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: brook Slocum's diary, what did you find out? It was heartbreaking. 41 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: She was clearly very much in love with Charles Oppanier, 42 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: this twenty five year old. She was eighteen at the time, 43 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: he was twenty five. They met about a year before 44 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: all this unfolded at I Own Your Free Fair. It's 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: a very pop your affair here in West Michigan. Everyone 46 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: knows about it. She was a junior going into her 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: senior year at Saranac High School, and that's when they 48 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: started dating and fell in love and became pregnant. Dating, 49 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: fell in love, got pregnant. Now you heard Heather Walker 50 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: joining us investigative reporter with wood WOD TV in Grand 51 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: Rapids and typically to doctor Bethany Marshall, California's psycho analyst extraordinaire, 52 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. When you hear boyfriend, husband, love or X, 53 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: you immediately think, well, they did it. But the boyfriend, 54 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: Charles Aupanier did not do it. He is not responsible 55 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: for Brooks murder. So let me ask you this, why 56 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: do we always assume it's the boyfriend husband X Nancy? 57 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: We always look first to the boyfriend or to the 58 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: most intimate partner because I'm sure everyone on the panel 59 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: will agree with this. It is in the context of 60 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: our most intimate relationships that we sometimes have the most 61 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: hostile or negative of feelings. I mean, in my field, 62 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: we know that hate and love life side by side. 63 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: They coexist in our attachment system. So the feelings that 64 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: lead to homicide, resentment, fear, anguish, envy, hatred are all 65 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: derived from intimate attachment systems. And that's why we cast 66 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: a very narrow net and then we go whiter and 67 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: whiter whenever there's a homicide, especially of a young woman. 68 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,679 Speaker 1: You know, she's just so vulnerable. Doctor Bethany and doctor 69 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, you two on our panel today, knew me 70 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: when I was pregnant, and you would very frequently be 71 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: on with me at hull n And you know I 72 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: was so ill there at the end. I was in 73 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: a wheelchair. Of course the viewers didn't know that, and 74 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: I was coughing so badly. I'd have a series of 75 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: hand signals to my line producer Liz and my executive 76 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: producer Dean to tell them we got to go to 77 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: break or play sound or just something. I had a 78 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: hand signals like you know, a baseball coach because I 79 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: was so sick and I couldn't speak out because my 80 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: mic was hot, and I'm just thinking about this young 81 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: girl at just eighteen, pregnant, sadistically, sadistically murdered to Stephen Lampley, 82 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: former detective. You can find him at Stephen Lampley dot com. 83 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: Why do we always think it's the boyfriend or husband, 84 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: and that's the place we start. The boyfriend or husband 85 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: or wife or girlfriend is not always obviously the person 86 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: who community crime, but that's where we start. And like 87 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: she was saying a while ago, we start with the 88 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: inner circle. We start with those that are closest because 89 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: those are the those are the most feelings, and then 90 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: when we eliminate those, part of the process is not 91 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: necessarily finding the suspect, it's eliminating. So as we eliminate suspects, 92 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: we broaden our scope outward. That's the way most homicide 93 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: or kidnap investigations work. Heather Walker is with me here today, 94 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: investigated reporter from woo DTV and Grand Rapids. Tell me 95 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: about the area where they're from. I want to get 96 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,280 Speaker 1: an idea because you know, very often when you hear, 97 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: for instance, New York Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta, San Francisco, La. 98 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: You think big city, lots of crime, Wow, you ask 99 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: for it. That's absolutely not true. I've lived in many 100 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: of those cities and people are not asking to be 101 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: crime victims. What can you tell me, Heather about this 102 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: location where she was abducted. Yeah, that's absolutely not the case. Here. 103 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: This is West Michigan. It's very conservative, it's very Christian, 104 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: it's very safe. This is a place where people come, 105 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: they move here to raise their families. And you know, 106 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: these type of things don't happen every day, and they 107 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: don't even happen in big cities, let alone right here 108 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: in West Michigan. Now it's Wyoming, Michigan. Correct, Is that 109 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: the area that's where the first crime scene is in Wyoming, Michigan. 110 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: It's a small town. It's a suburb of Grand Rapi, Michigan. 111 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: There is. It's a suburb of Grand Rapids, Michigan. Grand 112 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: Rapids is the second largest city in the state of Michigan, 113 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: Detroit being the first, Grand Rapids being the second world 114 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: right by Lake Michigan. We're about forty five minutes away, 115 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: and it's just a small suburb of Grand Rapids where 116 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: there's affordable housing and like I said, it's safe, a 117 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: good place to raise your kids. So this young girl 118 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: looking for love online had a boyfriend who I think 119 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: was on and off Charles Opener, Can I tell you 120 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: how I know he's not the one who's sadistically tortured 121 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: and murdered Brooks Locum because his severed head was found. 122 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: He also a victim. But I want you to take 123 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: a listen to what Brooks dad till my friend, doctor Drew. 124 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: Is it true your daughter did have a history of 125 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: meeting people online. Yes, she did, and she has got 126 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: numerous letters to her barn children in the state that 127 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: she has met men online looking for love. But all 128 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: she really found was it made her feel cheap, dirty 129 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: and used. And love is not manipulation. Love is unconditional, 130 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: and she realized that and she didn't want to do 131 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: it anymore. But she also wants to stay with the 132 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: man that's at the father of her child, and she 133 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: would do whatever it took to do that, even if 134 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: it meant sacrificing herself in this sort of manner. Brooks 135 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: Locm was likely held there for days. Pictures show what 136 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: police found after they finally got into O Strike's home 137 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: a very dirty home with clutter that had weapons like guns, knives, swords, 138 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: and ammunitions sprinkled in every room, closet and shelf. They 139 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: found restraints and other items in his basement like a 140 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: dog kennel, women's clothing, happy and food, and ropes hanging 141 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: from the ceiling, showing Brooks Locum was likely held there 142 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: for days. Surveillance video from cameras that O Strike installed 143 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: in his own home shows him on July seven, putting 144 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: up ropes and cleaning out that same room in video 145 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: showing him the night before this all went down, Those 146 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: who knew Ostrike described him as a tormented man they 147 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: feared could eventually snap. You were hearing from our friend 148 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: Cassandra Arseno at Fox seventeen News snap. I don't think 149 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: he's snapped. To prepare a dungeon, a torture chamber like that, 150 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: that takes some doing. I want to go to doctor 151 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, doctor Bethany to prepare a torture chamber, a 152 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: sadistic torture chamber, that's got to take months to do. Nancy, 153 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: not only did this take months, this perpetrator has been 154 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: a state as to his life. I wouldn't be surprised 155 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: if this is the kind of guy who tortured animals 156 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: as a child, as we know so often happens with 157 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: these severe sociopaths and psychopaths. This guy had a severe 158 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: sexual perversion. He enjoyed inflicting cruelty and pain for his 159 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: sexual pleasure. And Nancy, did you see the picture of 160 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: that torture chamber he had like a change bolted into 161 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: the wall. He had a dog channel. Okay, hold on 162 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: just a moment, guys, if you want to follow along 163 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: with what we're talking about, you can go to crime 164 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: online dot com where these pictures are featured. Go ahead, 165 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: doctor bethany Well, I think it's important for the viewers 166 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: to know that there are five perversions voyeurism, frauderism, sadism, exhibitionism, 167 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: and pedophilia. And usually when a person has one perversion, 168 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: they have multiple perversions. And if you have a sociopath 169 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 1: psychopath who has a perversion, you have somebody who's going 170 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: to want to put together a torture chamber like this 171 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: because sadly, what they like to do, the emo for 172 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: this kind of a crime is that they want to 173 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: inflict cruelty upon a victim for their sexual pleasure. That 174 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: is the entire emmo behind this. And Nancy, when you 175 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: look at the picture, I mean it looks like you 176 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: put her in the dog cage. He put a steel 177 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: collar around her neck, he chained her arms to the wall. 178 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: I mean this was a prolonged attack, over the course 179 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: of many, many days, and all motivated by sex. That's 180 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: what it was motivated by sex, you know, doctor Bethany. 181 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm certainly not a string. But I don't think any 182 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: act of violence is motivated by sex. Okay. I think 183 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: that it's motivated by evil or desire for power or rage, 184 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: and I think all that manifests through sex. But you know, 185 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: you say tomato, I say tomato. Bottom line, Brook Slocum 186 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: is dead and Charles open Ear as well, her young boyfriend. 187 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: Heather Walker, investigative reporter WODTV. How does the boyfriend fit 188 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: into this picture? He let me understand this. So she 189 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: brick goes missing and she's held in a torture chamber 190 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: and ultimately murdered. But what about Charles open Ear? Where 191 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: does he fit into this scenario? Okay? So Charles Apanier 192 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: was found. His body was found in Ghazan Park. It's 193 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: a quiet park inside the suburb of Wyoming And unfortunately, 194 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: though that's all that was found his body, his head 195 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: was missing. It was covered in a few sticks in 196 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: this wooded area of the park, and nothing else around it. 197 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: Brooke was nowhere to be found. His car was found 198 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: in the parking lot, and it was only because a 199 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: couple reported to police that they saw a man peering 200 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: into their car with a white mask that the police 201 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 1: went there and found his car, and that's where the 202 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: search began for Charles Appanir too. Doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned 203 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: medical examiner out of South Carolina, author of homicide investigation 204 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: field Guy Dodger. Michelle, how often in your line of business, 205 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: where you perform autopsies for a living, do you see 206 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: a head actually severed from the victim's body. Well, Nancy, 207 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: maybe more often than you was. I've probably had five 208 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: or six in my career. Okay, that is more than 209 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: I thought you would say, although you know, in the 210 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: big scheme of homicides, five or six is not a lot. 211 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: But when you think about what it takes to actually 212 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: sever someone's head physically, I mean, it's one thing to 213 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: see it on a scary TV show or on some 214 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: alleged crime show or a legal show. The reality of 215 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: severing someone's head or dismembering them is very, very different, 216 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: doctor Dupree. It is and it's very difficult. It actually 217 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: takes a lot of strength to do that and a 218 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: very long time. Now, you know, if you remember Dexter, Okay, 219 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: that's the only thing that in Mystery Woman on Hallmark 220 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: got me through my pregnancy, and Dexter would go through, 221 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, hours and hours and hours. Who was serial 222 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: killer dismembering, getting rid of hiding evidence of homicides, right 223 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: and track down a bad guy and kill them and 224 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: get rid of the body. Nobody would ever know what happened. 225 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: Not that typical killers go through all of that, not 226 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: to get caught, because they don't. But it is a 227 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: very very long process. Stephen Lampley Detective is Stephen Lampley 228 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: dot com. To actually dismember somebody, it takes a long time, 229 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: is gruesome and messy. It's an horrible act to be doing. 230 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: It's not easy, you know. Jeffrey Dahmer, it took him hours, 231 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: by his own confession, to dismember and then dispose of 232 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: a body. It's a very difficult process, and I don't 233 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: understand that, you know, do Dahmer's a good example, Steve 234 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: Lampley to doctor Bethany. What is you know, just kill somebody, 235 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: but you want to sever their head and dismember them. 236 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: What's that about? Well, we were talking about the torture chamber, right, 237 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: so we already know that he's a sadist. He likes 238 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: to inflict pain and cruelty. He gets gratification out of it. 239 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: We know that he tortured Brook over the course of 240 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: five days, So I would imagine that the same evil 241 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: torturess aspect of his personality that wanted to torture her 242 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: also wanted to, I guest, derive some pleasure from decapitating 243 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: this poor young man that you know, he was maybe 244 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: polly perverse, meaning he wasn't just deriving sick, twisted sexual 245 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: satisfaction from torturing Brook, but there was some sort of 246 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: satisfaction that he derived from separating the head from the body. 247 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: I mean that took some time. What did you call that? What? What? 248 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: What is that? Polly perverse? Polly perverse almost like polysexual, 249 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: that his sexual aims were not just towards Brooke, but 250 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: were towards the male victim as well, that he didn't 251 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: just want female victims, he wanted male victor. You know what, 252 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: it's always an experience talking to doctor Bethany Marshall, you know, 253 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: and I've just got to say no offense, La. But 254 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: ELA's just the perfect place for you, doctor Bethany, because 255 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: I bet you have people lined up outside the door. 256 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: Like Heather Walker is telling us, this is outside of 257 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: Grand Rapids, this Wyoming, Michigan, and this is completely unheard 258 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: of in that area. And to Heather Walker, investigative reporter 259 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: wo DTV, So Brady O Strike meets Brook Slocum and 260 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: Charles Opanier through a Craig's List ad. Okay, Craig's List ad, 261 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: and this takes me back to the online dating issue. 262 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: It was a dating ad and that is how he 263 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: finds Brooke in a park along with Charles Opanier. So 264 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: it's my understanding, Heather Walker that he decapitates Charles right 265 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: there in the park and handcuffs Brooke and takes her away. 266 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: Is that correct? That's right? I mean, honestly, this is 267 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: like something from the movies and it is very much real. 268 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: He decapitated Charles Opanier took the head with him, and 269 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: then also took a brook Slocum with him. And we're 270 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: not sure all of the details, but at some point 271 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: he took Brooke back to his home, down to the basement, 272 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: which that house has been called the house of Horrors 273 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: by police. Down to the basement to what can be 274 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: considered a sex chamber, I don't know what else to 275 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: call it, where there was chains and whips and cameras 276 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: recording all of these terrible things. And then at some 277 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: point he also hid the head Charles up in here 278 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: his head. Today, for the first time, we're hearing from 279 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: a close friend of killer Brady O Strike, who said, 280 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: oh Strike called her in the midst of the crime. 281 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: Ken Kulker spoke with her today. Ken joins us in 282 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: studio control. So she says he called her two Sundays ago, 283 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: apparently the same day he started holding brook Slocum captive, 284 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: but acted as if nothing was wrong. He called with 285 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: the norm hey, Cheeka, how are you doing. It's possible 286 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: that by then he had already killed Charles Openeer and 287 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: was holding Opener's pregnant girlfriend brook Slocum in his Wyoming Home. 288 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: Police say he held her captain for five days before 289 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: strangling her on Thursday. I thought about it a lot, 290 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: and his actions and attitude of the phone more non 291 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: different to normal than that. That's what bothers me. She 292 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: had medow Strikes seven years ago, sometimes went to medieval 293 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: Renaissance affairs with him. Said he owned his own suit 294 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: of armor. He had taught her eleven year old daughter 295 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: how to shoot a gun, but she said he had 296 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: been quote unquote seriously depressed since breaking up with his fiancee. 297 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: She wonders if that somehow led to this. He didn't 298 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: smile a smile chicken bath as much. Yeah, he said 299 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: a couple of times that, yeah, he felt worthless. During 300 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: that phone call two Sundays ago, apparently in the midst 301 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: of those crimes, they talked about work and made plans 302 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: for a visit together. She says she can't explain the 303 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: killings or why her friend would decapitate up an air. 304 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: You're hearing from our friend Ken Colcher at wo DTV 305 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: eight speaking to one of a Strike's friends, who said 306 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: he was seemingly normal while he had captives. You know, 307 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Doctor Bethany because everyone seems to 308 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: be acting like, oh, he was a little sad and 309 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: he had a breakup, so maybe he kidnapped two people, 310 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: severed ahead and tortured a young girl for a week 311 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: before murdering her. Well, I don't get that connection. He 312 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: was sad, he had a breakup, so he committed double murder. 313 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Nancy, I heard the same thing you did 314 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: in this interview when she says, you know, he taught 315 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: my eleven year old daughter how to shoot a guy. 316 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: A little more hung up by him having his own 317 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: suit of armor for the Medieval Renaissance festival. But I mean, 318 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: ladies said, if you're listening, you went into a guy 319 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: of armor, run the other way as if you had 320 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: seen a monster. Please listen to me on this had 321 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: a huge gun collection, not that there's anything wrong with that. 322 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: A filthy home covered in surveillance cameras. As a matter 323 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: of fact, isn't it true, Heather Walker w o DTV 324 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: that he actually videoed through the home security system all 325 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: of his torture of Brooke. That's correct, He's set up 326 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: a camera. I mean this took a lot of plady. 327 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: We have video that police have released of him preparing 328 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: this basement for Brooke, so he had this all plan. 329 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: He set up the camera so it would capture all 330 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: of this. Now, of course those videos will never be 331 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: released and thank goodness, but yeah he was and you 332 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: know you talk about that friend. There's also a police 333 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: were told that a one time girlfriend told him there 334 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: were pins in his basement of locations where he stored 335 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: food and supplies an event of apocalypse. I mean, he 336 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: had chains, handcuffs. He had written on tape to one 337 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: mirror with a poem play pain helps us learn, Pleasure 338 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: helps us forget. He had other writings on the walls 339 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: obey and pleasure, my master, pleasure, I must earn it 340 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: about a lot of mentions of master. And apparently she 341 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: actually Brook Slocum had to sign this okay, essentially an 342 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: alleged Slafe master contract. But the girl and a handcuffs 343 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: with a choke around her neck. And in one of 344 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: the videos, just before he murders upon Air and kidnaps Brook, 345 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: you see him on the video walking around with a 346 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: chain and a padlock in his hand, laying out ladies underwear. 347 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Apparently he kept her in a dog kennel. It's a 348 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: big dog cage about the size I have for a 349 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: fat boy to sleep in at night. He's a docksin, 350 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: but I got him the really big one. But it's 351 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: certainly a human would have to be in there, crouched 352 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: in a ball. There were suitcases full of bloodstained women's 353 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: clothing and other undergarments. In his home. There were maps 354 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: dotted with pins from coast to cost and an ex 355 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: girlfriend tells police they were markers where he had dumped 356 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: food in case of an apocalypse. Okay again, when you 357 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: went into a guy that is planning for the apocalypse, 358 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: run the other way. To Heather Walker wo DTV, tell 359 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: me that about the discovery of Charles Apinier's head, this 360 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: was just unbelievable. We didn't think, we didn't know if 361 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: we were ever going to find the head. A lot 362 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: of times killers they keep some kind of souvenir from 363 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: their killings, and we thought we may never know where 364 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: this is. But more than four years later, farmer was 365 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: taking a walk on his land out in the country, 366 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: more than seventeen miles away from where Opener's body was 367 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: found at Gazon Park, and he found a head and 368 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: he immediately called police and they came out there, and 369 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: of course that was everyone's thought was is this Charles 370 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: Openier's head? Did they finally find his head? And the 371 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: medical examiner came back and it was indeed his head. 372 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: So how long it's been there, how it got there, 373 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: why it was there, why he chose that location is 374 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: unclear because police say there's no known connection between that 375 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: piece of land too and radiodical examiner out of South Carolina, 376 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation field Guide, doctor Dupree, How do 377 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: you go about identifying a skeletonized skull? And how well 378 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: does it take a skull to skeletonize Nancy? Those are 379 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: all very good questions. First of all, we can identify 380 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: the skull by using a different type of DNA. There's 381 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: something called mitochondrial DNA which will last a lot longer, 382 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: and we were able to get that from skull without 383 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: their tissue remains. Secondly, it really on the weather and 384 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: the environment that lives in. Certainly it could be several months, 385 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: it could be even longer than that up to completely 386 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: deteriorate to a skeleton. Take a listen to our friends 387 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: at wood TVA. I don't want to say Brady was 388 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: the kind of guy that just wanted to kill people, 389 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think he just kind 390 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: of wanted to kill people. Twenty three year old Brittany's 391 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: a midas who says she regularly hung out with Brady O. 392 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: Strike signed her name on a wall on his basement, 393 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: illuminated by a black light, next to the names of 394 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: other friends who had visited. And it's not the hellish 395 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: environment everyone's making it out to be. Oh my gosh, 396 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: it bugged me so much. It's been described as a 397 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: dungeon where a Strike held brook Slocum captive for five 398 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: days before strangling her. I described his house as like 399 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: a naughty drawer, lots of restraints, handcuffs, sex toys, she says, 400 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: but his whole house was like that, not to mention, 401 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: like one corner of his house he would have that, 402 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: the other corner you would have guns, the other corner 403 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: you have knives, and the other corner would have nerdy stuff. 404 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: She described him as a good friend who spent time 405 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: with her watching movies, playing video games, always bought dinner, 406 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: even gave her one thousand dollars on her twenty second birthday. 407 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: He was probably one of the most generous friends I've had, 408 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 1: She said he had grown darker since his fiance broke 409 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: up with him about a year ago, but told her 410 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: he was going through therapy to get help, but he 411 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: was at his darkest when she last saw him, she says, 412 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: at a bar downtown about a month ago. He said 413 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: he wished he can go back in time to an 414 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: era in time where he can just kill people with 415 00:26:46,280 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: his bare hands. Crime stories with meatcy Break. A farmer 416 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: in northern Kent County came across the skull last week 417 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: while he was out for a walk on his property. Today, 418 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: Wyoming police confirmed to us that those remains belonged to 419 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: Charles Opener, and the skull was found near six Mile 420 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: Road and to Knaway Avenue last Sunday. That's more than 421 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: seventeen miles away from Gazam Park in Wyoming, where Opener's 422 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: body was found back in twenty fourteen. Asked for Opener, 423 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: the medical examiner says it looked like he was shot 424 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: in the head before he was beheaded. This afternoon, his 425 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: family was notified that their son was found. Well, you know, 426 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to value exactly what they're feeling right now, 427 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: but I can tell you the hearts and minds of 428 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: the Wyoming police that put so much time in effort 429 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: and emotion in this case. They're just hurting for them, 430 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 1: and I'm sure this brings it all right back up 431 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: to the surface and our heartbreaks for them, but we 432 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: certainly hope that there'll be some peace that comes with it. 433 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: The deaths of two young people. Brook Slocum, young girl pregnant. 434 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: Her boyfriend Charles up in Eer, also murdered. It was 435 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: his skull found seventeen miles away from the rest of 436 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: his body. He had been shot before he was then 437 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: beheaded to doctor Bethany Marshall, Doctor Bethany, do you believe 438 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: that these are radio strikes only victims? I do not. 439 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: I think that he was doing this for a long 440 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: long time. I mean even you said there was blood soap, 441 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: women's underwear in this torture chamber. And I have to 442 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: go back to this friend for a second. She is 443 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: so minimizing his crime. I mean, did you hear her 444 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: say that it was just he's like a normal nerdy guy, 445 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, s and m equipment in one corner, guns 446 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: and another, as if this is all no big deal. 447 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: I heard that. It sounds like she's saying it was 448 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: just your regular man cave with a dungeon and tortured devices. 449 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me how people go through their life 450 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: with blinders. That's right. It's like she had no idea 451 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: that there was anything wrong with this. Plus Heather walk 452 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: or Wood TV, there was apparently a previous let me 453 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: just say girlfriend in a very very loose sense of 454 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: the word, that was tortured and held prisoner by a 455 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: strike and she managed to live. Yes, yeah, I mean, 456 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: like I said, this is all so bizarre. And the 457 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: weirdest thing is that we spoke with multiple family members 458 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: and said, did you see any signs? Were you concerned 459 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: at all? And everyone replied, no, no, No, everything's fine. 460 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: He's a normal guy. He's a little quirky, but he 461 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: would never do this. He never expected this, no signs. 462 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: So to you, doctor Bethany, why do you believe these 463 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: are not his first victims? What leads you to think that? Well, 464 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: because we first of all, I would say he's a psychopath, 465 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: not a sociopath, because with psychopathy you have have the 466 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: addition of cruelty. You have all these other traits of 467 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: the sociopath, but you have cruelty as an overlay and 468 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: usually the cruelty starts in early adolescence, late childhood. As 469 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, these perpetrators often have history of torturing and 470 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: mutilating animals. And I believe that for him this was 471 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: a compulsion, and he organized his whole life around the compulsion. 472 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's a very ritualistic quality to gathering the chains, 473 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: the dog collars, the dog kennel, everything that he used 474 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: to entrap women. I would have a hard time believing 475 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: that his fantasy life alone would satisfy his statistic sexual desires. 476 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: I would think that this is the kind of guy 477 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: who had had to have acted this out a long 478 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: time before this, especially since he severed the male victim's head. 479 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: This is a person who's put enormous energy into killing. 480 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: Why would he have not done it before? He just 481 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: got caught this time? To Heather Walker DTV, are you 482 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: convinced do you believe disbelieve that these are his only victims? 483 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, and I don't know if 484 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: we will ever know, because unfortunately, the only person who 485 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: knows is dead. I hope it's his only victim. But 486 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: I do agree with the doctors that once you see 487 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: this kind of behavior and all planned out. It's hard 488 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: to believe to doctor Bethany, Doctor Bethany, why video, What 489 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: motive would he have to videotape what he was doing? 490 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: And what do you think he planned to do with 491 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: the tape. I think he was doing something called spectatoring 492 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: that while he was torturing, mutilating, having his way with her, 493 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: he was also fantasizing as if a third party was 494 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: watching him, and he was also anticipating that he would 495 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: later use those videos for his own sexual gratification. This 496 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: was not intended to be a one time you know, 497 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: buying torture kill like the BTK killer. This was intended 498 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: to become a part of his treasure trove of sex toys. 499 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: You know how porn addicts will have all these you 500 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: know links on their computers, you know, two different favorite 501 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: porn sites. This would be a part of his own 502 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: cash of personalized pornography so to speak, that he thought 503 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: he would be able to use again and again. I 504 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: also see it as one of his trophies. You know, 505 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: serial killers keep trophies. It could be underwear, it could 506 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: be a driver's license, It gonna be a piece of jewelry, 507 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: It could be anything from their victim, even a tooth 508 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: for instance, And this video I think would be one 509 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: of his trophies. And also question what do you make 510 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: of his use of Craigslist as a way to catch 511 00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: his victims. Well, sexual predators prey on vulnerable populations. We 512 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: know that. That's why prostitutes are often killed by serial 513 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: killers hikers who are out in the woods alone. So 514 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: this is a kind of guy who's going to choose 515 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: the most vulnerable of victims because he's a coward. He's 516 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: not going to do it with a friend who knows 517 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: him and might try to report him to the police. 518 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: He's not going to grab somebody off the street. He's 519 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: going to choose an eight month pregnant, eighteen year old 520 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: young girl who needs fifty dollars of cash so she 521 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: can get medication. That's his ideal victim because he can 522 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: have the ultimate power over her. And we're better get 523 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: to find somebody like that than on craiglist. There's anonymity 524 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: he controlled the Internet and often again like sex addict, 525 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: for porn addicts may have all their favorite porn videos 526 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: lined up, and there's kind of a ritualistic quality to 527 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: categorizing them. There was probably a ritualistic quality to go 528 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: him on Craig's list, trolling for victim. I want you 529 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: to take a listen to what we have learned. This 530 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: is wo dtv's Susan Shaw. This is a story that 531 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: has been unfolding for nearly a week now. According to police, 532 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: Charles Opener and Brook Slocum were last seen Saturday night 533 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: leaving their apartment in Grand Rapids. On Wednesday, Opener's body 534 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: was found in a wooded area near Gazon Parkway in Wyoming, 535 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: and then yesterday police were considering Slocum as a missing person. 536 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: Last night, the situation started unraveling as officers requested a 537 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: warrant to search Brady O Strike's home. While they were 538 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: waiting for the warrant, O Strike got into his car 539 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: and he left the house. Police tried pulling him over, 540 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: and he briefly stopped before taking off again. He ended 541 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: up crashing on the Burton Street Bridge over US one 542 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: thirty one overpass. Police say that after the crash, o 543 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: Strike shot and killed himself. When police searched his car, 544 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,479 Speaker 1: they found Slocum's body in the trunk. Wow, driving around 545 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: with a day body in your trunk? I mean the 546 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: psychopathy behind that is beyond anything I can understand. Stephen Lampley, 547 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: do you believe these were his first victims yesterday? Oh? 548 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't, don't, Nancy. And the one thing that concerted 549 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: to me about this is I understand that his profession 550 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: was alignman, and my question would be, has he participated 551 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: in any out of town fixes? I guess, for lack 552 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: of a better word, where aligneman go from town to 553 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: town to work on different cities where they've had a 554 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: catastrophe or some weather event. I would, I would the 555 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: answer to looking at that, the family now gets comfort 556 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 1: cold comfort though it is radio strike commence suicide. The 557 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: story goes on and I only wonder what, if anything, 558 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: can we learn? Nancy Grace Crimes story signing off, goodbye friend. 559 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: Some moms are into flowers and perfume for Mother's Day. 560 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: That's just not me. She's an awesome mom. I mean, 561 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: she's a nurse, So it figures right. So when he 562 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: and the kids gave me Blink security cameras last year 563 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: for Mother's Day, I loved it. Yeah, we're both warriors 564 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: and we work out hours and with break ins the 565 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: next block over. Our worst fear was that kids might 566 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: come home and walk in on someone. 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