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Speaker 1: understand you never know stories of things we simply don't

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Speaker 1: know the answer to. Hi there, Welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, your host, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by Devin and Steve, and we're here this week to

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Speaker 1: talk about another cool mystery. Yeah. This week we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about Louis La Prince who mysteriously vanished. Let

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Speaker 1: me start off without few biographical details about Louis La Prince. Um.

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Speaker 1: He was born in France in one moved to Leeds,

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Speaker 1: it almost looked like to figure out how to lens

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Speaker 1: he made those films in England. Yeah, Leeds, England. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: before we talked about as this mysterious disappearance. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about let's just go through the story

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Speaker 1: In September eighteen, Louis la Prince went to Dijon to

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Speaker 1: way that you read it and you interpret it may

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00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: be incorrect, and it may have just been if it

425
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: really existed, an innocent note because if you read, okay,

426
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: so this is four days after the Prince disappeared, right, okay,

427
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: So it says and I went back to it, and

428
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: it says Eric called me today from Dijon. It has

429
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: been done, Princes no more. So it has been done.

430
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: Could mean something about the fight is done. Maybe got that,

431
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: and you know the good news is this is good news.

432
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: But I flinched. Murder is not my thing, like he's

433
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: o God, he died, Like killing a man is not

434
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: my thing, Like it's crazy that he died. You can

435
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: read into it a completely different way. It still implicates

436
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: him because La Prince was never seen or heard from again,

437
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: nor was his stuff, So at the very least that

438
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: implies that Edison knew that La Prince is dead. No,

439
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It does. The guy said he was murdered.

440
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy doesn't know squad. The guy that

441
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: calls him four days later, it's probably in the local papers,

442
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: local inventor or you know, French inventor disappears, man hunt underplay.

443
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't think what you're saying. So this guy calls

444
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: and says, hey, La Prince disappeared. Somebody killed it. He's gone. Yeah,

445
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: but still, yeah, I could see that. But but here's

446
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: the deal is Louis la Prince at this point has

447
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: been missing a grand total of four days, and so

448
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: there's no reason to assume he's been murdered. Yeah. I

449
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: mean I got the Christie disappeared for how many days

450
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: and people said she had been murdered right away. Yeah, anyway,

451
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: I just I think that whole thing was just made up.

452
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: I completely agree. But I also see how it wouldn't

453
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: be as um necessarily. I see what you're saying. It's like,

454
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: it's like he didn't have a part in the murder.

455
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: He just heard he was murder. It's like, yeah, cool

456
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: that that frees up. Yeah, it wasn't being the evil

457
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: monster that we've called him. This whole time. A little

458
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: bit though, because he said it was good news. Yeah,

459
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: a little Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't a nice guy.

460
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: That it doesn't matter. I don't think anyway, I don't think.

461
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: Back back to Diesel, I just gotta say, interest in

462
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: the diesel engine at that time was just kind of

463
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: minimal because we were Americans and we weren't really interested

464
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: in the war efficient engine. Yeah. Also, Rudolph Diesel was

465
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: having financial and health problems, and it's kind of it's

466
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: kind of assumed at this point in time that he

467
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: committed suicide. But of course, at that time there were

468
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: some conspiracy theories about the whole thing, one of which

469
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: involved the German Secrets Service, who rubbed him out, supposedly

470
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: because they were developing their U boats using diesel engines

471
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: and they didn't want Rudolph Diesel sharing his secrets with

472
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: the British and the Americans. And that is a year

473
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: before the outbreak of World War One? Is that correct?

474
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: It is when World War One started? Yeah, okay, I

475
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: can see why that theory would be out there for him. Yeah.

476
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: And another theory was that business rivals did him in

477
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: uh get Another theory that was in the papers about

478
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: less than the year after his death said that he

479
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: had he had faked his death and was living in

480
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: Canada under a new name. Did you add this part? Yeah,

481
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: I made up the new name. But his new name

482
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: was Friedrich Gasoline. Uh yeah, so yeah, I was I

483
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: was kind of hoping that that was what was in

484
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: the newspapers at the time. Yeah, so Frederick Gasoline is

485
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: living in Canada anyway. So whether Edison actually stole Louis

486
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: the Prince's ideas, I can't really say. It might be

487
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: a case of parallel developments, so they just both kind

488
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: of had the same idea, which is entirely possible. Or

489
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: maybe Edison had a source down the patent office who

490
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: gave him information and drawings on patent applications, and so

491
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: Louis the Prince applies gets turned down and then that

492
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: stuff turned winds up in in Edison's mailbox days later,

493
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: and so you can get to work on his single

494
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: lens camera. Yeah. I think I think that for Edison

495
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: it was just lucky timing. Yeah, it probably mean. I

496
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: think it's not as though it happened in a vacuum either, right,

497
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you can be the very clear progression from

498
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: each step to each step, So it makes sense that

499
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: they would have come to the theme similar conclusions. But

500
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: what I mean is that if if la Prince hadn't disappeared,

501
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: he probably would have been able to show it worked

502
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: and get his patents, and then Edison wouldn't have had

503
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: the stranglehold on the whole thing. Yeah, but it was

504
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: it was just all he might have been America. Still,

505
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was perfect timing for him.

506
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, well I kind of had some stuff

507
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: going on. Let's just oh well, let's just see what

508
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: I can make out of based on what we know

509
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: about this guy's stuff, and bang, you know, back reverse

510
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: engineering it. Yeah, it could have been Okay, enough, I

511
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: have enough of Edison, I'm thinkings and probably didn't do it. Yeah,

512
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: next there. This is a popular one to suicide, UM

513
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: has claimed. According to Louis la Prince's great nephew whose

514
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: name I don't know, what he said, apparently he was

515
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: on the verge of bankruptcy and that so he decided

516
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: to commit suicide and decided to do it in one

517
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: of those wonderful perfect ways that creates a mystery arranging

518
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: for his body and his luggage to never be found.

519
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: That's weird. Well I don't find it. I find it convincing. Now, Yeah,

520
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: because really that never that doesn't happen. It doesn't that

521
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: can happen. If I was going to commit suicide, I'd

522
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: probably do it that way, but in some perfect mysterious way. Yeah.

523
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: But the thing about it is is he had this

524
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: cool prototype that he was going to take to New

525
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: York to show off, and um, he had a lot

526
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: to live for, I think because it could have turned

527
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: out that that thing could have taken the world by

528
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: fire and he could have gotten very rich. Probably would have,

529
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: probably would have. And if you take the New York

530
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: and it turns out it's to flop, well then you

531
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: kill yourself. Sure what if I mean, okay, so just

532
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: to play you know, the flip side of the coin

533
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: here for a second. What if it turns out that

534
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: his cooling prototype didn't actually work as well? White? Right?

535
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it worked for a little bit and then

536
00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: he found some fatal flaw in it or it broke,

537
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: and so he was on his way, but he was thinking,

538
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: there's literally no way I can fix this. I don't

539
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: know what's wrong with it. The Cavin Boy dropped it

540
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: and or you know, there's literally no way to I

541
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: can't figure out how to make it more than two seconds.

542
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: You know, people are obviously going to want to record

543
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: more than just two seconds. Well, I can't figure out

544
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: how to make it more than two seconds. I'm a failure.

545
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, how am I going to debut this in

546
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: New York? I have to kill myself before anybody finds

547
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: out about my failure to take my stuff with me. Yeah.

548
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: I got a feeling because you know, if you're if

549
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: you're a guy like like him, you've got to go

550
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: to a lot of iterations and failures and and modifications.

551
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: You know. I think he was probably if that had happened,

552
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: he probably would have postponed the showing. And he had

553
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: done before. I'm just saying, I'm just wasn't like this

554
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: was his first rodeo. Yeah. Yeah, and uh. And the

555
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: other reason I don't like to suicide theory because he

556
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: was almost bankrupt, is that his mom had died recently,

557
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Lee and he was actually going to inherit some money.

558
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: So he killed himself because his mom died. Maybe that's it.

559
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: He was depressed. He was really depressed about his mom dying. Yeah, well,

560
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: so much for that there. How do you guys feel

561
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: about suicide? Yeah, I don't. I don't think so. Our

562
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: next series that he was murdered for money. Uh. Did

563
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: I happen to mention that Louis the Prince was getting

564
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: an inheritance? Yeah? I think I did. Yeah. Yeah. The

565
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: number that I've heard is that his mother left about

566
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: a hundred and forty dollars to her children, which in

567
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: today's dollars is about three point seven million dollars. Yeah.

568
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: So the theory this, the theory on this and this

569
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: one is that Louise's brother decided to increase his own

570
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: share by killing him. And after all, his Louis the

571
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: Prince's brother was actually the only person who saw Louis

572
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: the Prince get on that train, and that's true, so

573
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: maybe he never got on the train to begin with.

574
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: How many children were there? You know, I've not been

575
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: able to find that out. I don't know. I mean,

576
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: is it like three or seventeen? Do you have a

577
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: general on those days? I think it's a smaller number.

578
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: In those days people had like yeah, yeah, yeah, so

579
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: it was probably four or five something like that at

580
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: the most. That's still a sizeable sum of money. Yeah,

581
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: and see why his brother would knock him off for that. Yeah, yeah, No,

582
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: it's just that that was real money back in those days.

583
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: It's still real money. I don't know about you. I

584
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: was labor rendering, you know, I was thinking we were

585
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: all kind of in the same boat about three point

586
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: seven billion dollars being a lot of money. No, I'm

587
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: saying I had dollars. It's not it's not real money. Oh,

588
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: that's still real money to me. Yeah. Sorry, yeah, sorry.

589
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: Over there, that one point six billion dollar payout in Powerball,

590
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: I kind of spoiled me. I get get interested in

591
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: a jack produ that's less than a billion dollars now, yeah. Yeah.

592
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: And so I don't know about this theory that his

593
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: brother murdered him. You know, if Louis the Prince hadn't

594
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: no doubt he was down there in Dijon talking to

595
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: his brother and showing him his cool prototype and displaying

596
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: this amazing thing that's going to take the world by storm.

597
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: If I would his brother, I'll be thinking, Wow, holy crap,

598
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: my brother might get stinking rich off of this, and

599
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: maybe he's gonna spread the wealth around a little bit. Yeah.

600
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: So you know, there's that that kind of so that

601
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: kind of contradicts a suicide thing for me. Plus I've

602
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: heard that the samon was actually close and they weren't

603
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: the kind of go around stabbing stabbing each other in

604
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: the back and stuff like that. But you know, it's

605
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: it's also a situation where an accident could have happened.

606
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if the brother is the only one that

607
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: that is the link to him getting on the train,

608
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: then that's the link that I would question the most.

609
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: He's out of his property, he falls down and hits

610
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: his head on a rock. His brother is covered in

611
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: blood from it and looks bad, looks bad, so he

612
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: just buries him in his camera in a shallow grave,

613
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: actually had a deep grave. Shallow graves get dug up

614
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: by animals, he would have been found well, he would

615
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: have put the camera on top, so the animals would

616
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: have you know, taken pictures of themselves. And that was

617
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: it selfie, the first animal selfie every But you know,

618
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's quite possible that it wasn't an

619
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: intentional thing, that it was just an accident. And so

620
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: Louis went swimming in the lake and he sort of

621
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: didn't come back. He was but he was big, wasn't he.

622
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean, he was guy. It's not easy feat to have,

623
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: you know. It could have been he died like not

624
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: it died in an embarrassing way, like you know, auto

625
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: erotic a situation, or maybe maybe maybe he you know,

626
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: like shot up with smack and overdosed. You know, something

627
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: like that is embarrassing and like you're making jokes about it.

628
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: But there there could be things that were considered an

629
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: embarrassment to the family in the way that he died

630
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: and they decided to hide that. That's that's so far

631
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: the most plausible of all of the things that we've

632
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: talked about. But here's why I don't think that happened

633
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: is because he um, he had a couple of really

634
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: valuable prototypes right there. So when your brother dies and

635
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: he just had to cover it up, if could just

636
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: say something like, well, he left, but he left these

637
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: with us. He wanted us to ship them onto him

638
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: in New York because he didn't want to be wigged down.

639
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: Because you're not going to throw those things away. Those

640
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: things are valuable. Joe, you're the evil genius. That's why

641
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: you think of these things could be the people who

642
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: clubbed their family member with the brick. Never think about

643
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: that stuff. That's not an accident. It is when you

644
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: wink wink clubbed him with it. It's it's totally next. Well,

645
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean there's times when it's times when you've got

646
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: a sock and you've got a brick in and you

647
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: just sort of swinging it around and sometimes you accidentally

648
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: connect with somebody. I'm gonna start just skyping into the

649
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: because that makes me very uncomfortable. I mean, come on,

650
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: you guys, how accidents happened? Yeah? Alright, so yeah, so murder.

651
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm not really keen on that theory. What do you

652
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: guys like guys like that or not? No, I don't

653
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: think I don't think. Okay, next the same with this one.

654
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out there now. I don't think so.

655
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: But his family this one says he disappeared voluntarily because

656
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: his family were not really voluntarily, but his family basically

657
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: told him to get lost and disappeared because he was gay.

658
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: That there's somebody out there puts out. This series says

659
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: he disappeared lived out the rest of his life in Chicago.

660
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't know why Chicago. I guess because there's a

661
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: thriving gay gay community there. It was one of the

662
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: places that he probably didn't know anyone. Okay, that would

663
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: be a good reason. Well yeah, that so he had

664
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: been probably like he didn't know who in Japan either,

665
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: so like that would have made sense. Yeah, yeah, uh. Anyway,

666
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: it's financial problems, but also he was gay and so

667
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: the family wanted him gone because he was an embarrassment.

668
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: And there was a reporter who put this story out,

669
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: Leo Salas, who I assumes French. Uh. He says that

670
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: little Prince died in Chicago, in which tells me that

671
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: somebody should check the death records in Chicago and be

672
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: on the lookout for French Sunday names like Louis La King,

673
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: Louis La Queen. Um. But I gotta say that evidence

674
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: that Louis Le Prince was gay it is really kind

675
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: of thin. Yeah, I shouldn't say then it's non existent.

676
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I know. Okay, so much for that theory.

677
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: Another theory he got off the train somewhere else. It's

678
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: actually quite a way from Paris to Dijon, and how

679
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: long have a ride was that? Do you know? Ballpark

680
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: had a couple of days. No, it wasn't a day.

681
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: It was not a couple of days, it was hours. Yeah.

682
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: Um yeah. So's presumably that train stopped in other cities between,

683
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: because there's plenty of towns in between, right, hard to

684
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: imagine it wouldn't. So he could have gotten off the

685
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: trains somewhere else. And maybe he just went off to

686
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: start a new life. I might have shacked up with

687
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: Dorothy Arnold. Uh Or maybe he stepped out onto the

688
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: platform just to get a breath of fresh air and

689
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: then the Louis Air Brothers jumped him. I mean, that's awesome.

690
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: Those guys are vicious. Yeah damn. Then, uh so you're

691
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: not looking that theory either. Okay, fine, all right, fine,

692
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: let's move on to our last theory, which is that

693
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: he was the victim of a random mugging in Paris. Yeah. Yeah.

694
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: Louis the Prince's great great granddaughter and whose named Laurie

695
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Snyder wrote a little thing in revealing that the friends

696
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: who were supposed to meet him at the train station

697
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: in Paris didn't actually meet him at the station. Apparently

698
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: they were supposed to meet up elsewhere. Uh So the

699
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: train arrived at a round eleven pm and I looked

700
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: at an almanac and it was dark at that time

701
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: at that day. Well good, I'm glad, thank you for

702
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: looking that up, because you know, it really the question question,

703
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, say, well did you check to see if

704
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: it was dark? Man? Right? I called somebody in Paris

705
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: and they said, what are you doing? Why are you

706
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: calling me? They just babbled a bunch of nonsense. Anyway, Yeah, okay,

707
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: back to so it was dark. His granddaughter Laurie thinks

708
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: he was probably robbed and killed and his body thrown

709
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: in the river. It's according to her, she found two

710
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: news articles from around that period of the time that

711
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: said that thieves in Paris were targeting lone travelers, which

712
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: Louis le Prince was. It's another but I just I

713
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: guess for me. Again, the two things are, he was

714
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: a pretty big guy, so again, you don't necessarily target

715
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: If a train got in at eleven in Paris, there

716
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: were probably a lot of other, probably a lot of better, smaller,

717
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: easier targets that were getting off at the same time.

718
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: On top of that, his stuff never showed up. Yeah,

719
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: I know, Well it wouldn't necessarily, is it. The Yeah, yeah,

720
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: they'd have thrown at the not all of it though.

721
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm not even just talking about the camera and the projector.

722
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: I mean he had other stuff with uggage. Yeah, yeah,

723
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: one would assume that at some point something would have

724
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: shown up, right, not necessarily, there's there's this thing called

725
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: a dumpster. Think about it. Okay, So he shows up

726
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: him eleven o'clock at night. He shows up and he's

727
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: got this big camera and projector set up that he's

728
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: got to carry, and he's got a bag. So it's

729
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock. He's tired. He's walking down the street. And

730
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: it's not like people just you know, run up to

731
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: their mark and hit him. They follow him briefly. And

732
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: he's tall, he's tired. He's tall, yeah, but he's tired.

733
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: He's kind of sluggish. He's run up behind him and

734
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: club him in the back of the head. And then yeah,

735
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: and he could. And he goes down, and you beat

736
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: the crap out of him, throw him in the sin,

737
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: take everything home, realize that this box that he had

738
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: there's nothing valuable in it. But hey, it's cold, I

739
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: need to light a fire, so I throw the box

740
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: in the fireplace to heat my house. And then you

741
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: go through his stuff and you get rid of it

742
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: like and you know, you fence everything you can. Yeah,

743
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: it's very plausible, and it's more so than you know,

744
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: other than the swinging a brick in a suck part.

745
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: I think it's totally plausible. Yeah, I think most likely

746
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: what happened is he um, this is what this is

747
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 1: what Laurie says in her art Gloria Snyder, is that

748
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: he probably caught a cab, which is in those days,

749
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: of course, would have been a horse drawn carriage. Handsome, handsome,

750
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: not a handsome. Yeah, probably kind of handsome, and maybe

751
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: the driver was less than scrupulous and just took him

752
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: down somewhere by the sin and and said, hey, by

753
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: the way, dump and then toss the body, you know,

754
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: took the wall and all that, throw the body and

755
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: the ever and the and then just went on his

756
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: way and went through the stuff later on. So that's

757
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: that's that's plausible. She also said a few other things

758
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: in her article. She said that Louis of the Prince

759
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: loved his family. He would never leave them by suicide

760
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: or by disappearing himself and starting away. And and she

761
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: knows all this from apparently from family records and apparently

762
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: her great great grandma wants his name. Lizzie. Louise's wife

763
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: wrote a wrote some sort of memoirs, and she also

764
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: believes the theory that his brother murdered him for money

765
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: is ridiculous for the same reason uh and and asked

766
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: for the gay thing and the family forced him to leave.

767
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: She says, the family actually spent a lot of time

768
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: and money trying to find him after he disappeared, So

769
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, that doesn't make any sense at all. Yeah,

770
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: if it was, we're only going to use volunteers, I

771
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: could see how people could say, well, they didn't really

772
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: out of pocket, but they did spend money. They did, Yeah,

773
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: they did. And so obviously if they knew that he

774
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: had disappeared because he was gay in YadA YadA, then

775
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: why would bothers his brother had killed him. Yeah, then

776
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have spent the money because they know they're

777
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: wasting money. Brother accidentally killed him and didn't say anything

778
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: that could be Yeah, this is why you don't swing

779
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: socks with bricks in him in the house. Next week, Joe,

780
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: you hold the sock. I gotta get a brick. Yeah, yeah,

781
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: I know. I I'm all out of bricks. Yeah, I

782
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: had the last one that I had. I had to

783
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: go throw in the river. I'm not gonna tell you why. Yeah, Okay,

784
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: where are we at here? So just a little a

785
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: few afterthoughts here in Thomas Edison brought a lawsuit against

786
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: the American Mutoscope Company. Edison claimed that he was a

787
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: soul in ven cinematography, and so he was demanding royalties

788
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: from Mutoscope. They were I don't know what they were

789
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: doing making movies or yeah, and they were infringing according

790
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah, I know, he owed them money. So

791
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: Louis La Prince's son Adolph testified for the defense. Uh,

792
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: he was not allowed to show the court his father's

793
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: cameras unfortunately, and Edison won the lawsuit. You know, was

794
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: that the family was actually really really upset about that

795
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: whole thing because they expected to be able to make

796
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: a case because their idea was, this will get recognition

797
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: to dad for what dad invented, and instead the defense

798
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: put him up on the stand, let him do a

799
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: little bit, and then took him away and they both

800
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: just badgered, both the defense and the prosecution just badgered

801
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: the crap out of him. Yeah and so yeah, so

802
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: poor the poor guy. He was pretty young at that

803
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: time too. I think he was only around twenty or so.

804
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: He was a little bit older than that, but yeah,

805
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: he was a young guy. Yeah. Uh. Two years later,

806
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: Adolph was found shot to death on Fire Island in

807
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: New York, another victim of Thomas Edison. One man crying

808
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: wave and on the other hand, uh, Adolph was bird hunting,

809
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: so it could have possibly been a hunting accident. I'm

810
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: not sure. That's why they have those safety vests today.

811
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: Then they had bird vest then, Yeah, so the dogs sparked. Yeah.

812
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: In two thousand three, I don't know how this happened,

813
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: Paris police found a photo in their archives of a

814
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: drowned man who had been dry and right from the sun,

815
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: and apparently he resembled Louis the Prince. Yeah, it was

816
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 1: some John Doe. Then they I don't know why they

817
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: were going through the archives, but they found and sure

818
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: they do sometimes. Yeah, so I think that lends a

819
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: little bit of credence to the mugging theory. I know

820
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: what you guys think. Yeah, I would, Yeah, I would

821
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: give it credence based on that. So we've talked about before. Yeah,

822
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: so I still don't like, I don't know why. I

823
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: guess that it's you know, it's that thing where he

824
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: was such a prominent figure and it doesn't sit well

825
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: to me to have him meet such a kind of

826
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: simple Yeah, you know that you lost this beautiful piece

827
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: of technology that was really the first of its kind

828
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: just because somebody hit him over the head like a

829
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: couple all pence or whatever. You know. It's that's the

830
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: thing that gets me about that. I know that's another

831
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: reason I hate criminals really well, it's yeah, and I

832
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: think it's why I have such a hard time. Even

833
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: though I think my logical brain says, yeah, he was

834
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: probably just mugged, the rest of me is like, no, no,

835
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: it had to have been Edison because it's the only

836
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: thing that makes sense, because it's the only thing that

837
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: gives any validity to his inventorship. It's not quite so

838
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: random and absurd. You know. I know, I know what

839
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: you're saying, but but I agree. I think it's probably

840
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: just Yeah, I don't I don't think that was really

841
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: Edison's emo. I think Edison's way was just to buy

842
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: people out, yeah, steal their stuff or buy them out. Well,

843
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: and he I think that the pinnacle of Edison's dirty

844
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: tactics were with Tesla, and that's only because Tesla, I think,

845
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Speaker 1: in Edison's mind betrayed him because he left, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: pursued what he wanted. And I think that's why he

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Speaker 1: went to the extent to all the things that he

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Speaker 1: But I don't think Edison did it. But I still

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Speaker 1: I'm inclined to say that either he was mugged and

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Speaker 1: killed or possibly something happened at his brothers. I still

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Speaker 1: waver between those two. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Again, I'm not

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Speaker 1: liking the brother and dying at the brothers thing, just

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Speaker 1: because you know, those those prototypes were potentially valuable and

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Speaker 1: so anyway, that's why I'm thinking just a random mugging

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Speaker 1: or Thomas Edison. Now he wasn't jerk, you know. He

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Speaker 1: just to prove that a C was bad. He electrocuted

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Speaker 1: dogs and stuff like that. But the elephant and yeah,

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Speaker 1: first electric electric here was created. Yeah, and it was

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Speaker 1: in that same time period, So I mean he did

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Speaker 1: he did all kinds of not good things. And I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you I don't believe direct current is all

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Speaker 1: that safe either. Really. Oh, no, elect City at large

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Speaker 1: How you got to be careful with that stuff? You know,

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Speaker 1: I tell you kids, this is my thing. Don't don't.

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Speaker 1: use your arrows from your go and just shoot it

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Speaker 1: a couple of times. You'll be fine. Okay. Well, I

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Speaker 1: guess that's it for this week and another compelling mystery.

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