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Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, how can individuals, churches, businesses,

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Speaker 1: and our country heal the selfish divisions sharing US apartment

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Speaker 1: My guests suggests the solutions for Americans to live a

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Speaker 1: quote we Before Me life. In his new book We

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Speaker 1: Before Me, The Advantage of Putting Others before Self, Congressman

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Speaker 1: Mark Green shares the lessons learned from his father, who

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Speaker 1: struggled to provide for his family and serve others while

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Speaker 1: dealing with a serious handicap, and he shows how they

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Speaker 1: served him well in his own career in the military,

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Speaker 1: health care, business, and politics. I'm really pleased to welcome

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Speaker 1: my guest, Chairman Mark Green. He's a physician, a businessman,

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Speaker 1: a combat veteran. Representing Tennessee's seventh district in Congress. He

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Speaker 1: currently serves as the Chairman of the House Committee on

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Speaker 1: Homeland Security. He's a graduate of the US Military Academy

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Speaker 1: at West Point. Mark, welcome and thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: me on Newtswork.

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Speaker 2: Mister speaker, thank you for having me. It's a real

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Speaker 2: honor to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've done a great job, and I think to

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Speaker 1: help people understand how you got to the conclusions that

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Speaker 1: led you write this book, Why don't you start by

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Speaker 1: talking about your childhood and how that led you to

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Speaker 1: run for Congress.

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Speaker 2: My father was an Air Force veteran and while he

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Speaker 2: was serving, he developed some basically got cancer from exposure,

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Speaker 2: lost his arm when I was in first grade from

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Speaker 2: watched my father choose to live selflessly with this incredible handicap.

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Speaker 2: The company he worked for, this was prior to Americans

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Speaker 2: I remember cutting firewood for someone else and my dad

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Speaker 2: this guy has two arms. You've got one. He needs it,

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Speaker 2: so we're going to go do it. That's sort of

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Speaker 2: the idea or mindset of my father. And he raised

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Speaker 2: me to believe that our family was a unit, and

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Speaker 2: that the family unit in a small town in Mississippi

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Speaker 2: my reputation was built on the family's reputation. And so

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Speaker 2: those values carried with me throughout my military career and

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Speaker 2: running a business, and I tried to instill that in

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Speaker 2: the country and doing what's best for the country, the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to serve came up, and I put the hole

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Speaker 1: I'm really curious with it because who you are, young kid,

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Speaker 1: in rural Mississippi. Suddenly you graduate from high school. How

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Speaker 1: did you end up at West Point?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's an interesting story. My dad. I saw the

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Speaker 2: I'll show you. And I worked really hard to get

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Speaker 1: Moving from that road in southern Mississippi, what does it

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Speaker 3: Every time I reflect back on West Point, I hear

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Speaker 2: Whether it's MacArthur or Patten or Eisenhower. The history of

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Speaker 2: I also think too about my West Point class class

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Speaker 2: as holy ground, and I'm a part of that group

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Speaker 1: Well, it's fascinating me. You actually majored in quantitative business

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever looked for the easier path.

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Speaker 2: You know, as Robert Frost would say, two roads diverged

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Speaker 2: So that was my perspective then and I still kind

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Speaker 1: You shift from the eighty second Airborne to medical school?

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Speaker 1: How did that happen? What were you to medical school?

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Speaker 2: My father, our stories are so intertwined. He had a

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're really a busy guy during this sport,

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Speaker 1: and you pick a residency in emergency medicine, did you

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Speaker 2: Physicians often picked their residency based on a couple of

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Speaker 2: but the er guys were my kind of guys. And

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Speaker 2: You know, the internal medicine guy has to have every

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Speaker 2: I knew the Army was going to be utilizing my

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Speaker 1: But you did wind up serving on Tier one Special

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Speaker 1: Operations Forces on missions in Afghanistan and Iraq. So even

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Speaker 2: Following Blackhawk down where a couple of guys actually bled

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Speaker 2: And this war, the War on Terror, they allowed the

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Speaker 2: prior skills as an Army ranger infantry officer, coupled with

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Speaker 2: level when you're planning missions. To have somebody who's written

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Speaker 2: planning of the medical side of the mission. It really

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Speaker 2: gave me a degree of influence in the organizations that

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Speaker 1: You know. Maybe the most amazing thing, and you wrote

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Speaker 1: a book about this called A Night with Saddam. You

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Speaker 1: then you had hours long conversations with him during his

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Speaker 2: It was incredible, It's fascinating. You know, we didn't get

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Speaker 2: like to tell people I at least know what it's

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Speaker 2: like to win a Super Bowl. Although a Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: we got him. To use Ambassador Bremer's words, we got

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Speaker 2: and I was on cloud nine the whole time.

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Speaker 1: You come back home, you end up in Congress, you

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Speaker 1: certainly make a mark as a real leader, and you

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Speaker 1: produce a book which is really different from all the

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Speaker 1: different things you've talked about. You explore the concept of

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Speaker 1: selflessness and putting others before yourself. The title itself we

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Speaker 1: Before Me. How did you get to that concept and

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Speaker 1: what inspired you to turn it into a book.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting. When I got to the night Stalkers,

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Speaker 2: the one sixtieth sore where I served those Tier one units,

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Speaker 2: the night Stalker store. Now you had to be a

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Speaker 2: supposed to wear it except for when you are around

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Speaker 2: the unit, those kinds of things. But sewn into the

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Speaker 2: cap was the motto we Before Me, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, That's what I've tried to live all

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Speaker 2: my life. In fact, when I started my healthcare company,

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Speaker 2: But when you think about what's going on in our

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Speaker 2: to be something other than an American. Now people are

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Speaker 2: Be very kind to say that I'm here for at

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Speaker 1: You have done so much work on the border. What's

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Speaker 1: What's your instinct about the so called dreamers, people who

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. I'm aware of a survey

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Speaker 1: I really want to thank you for taking some time

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Speaker 1: I think that everything you've done, from walking on those

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Speaker 2: Well, I deeply appreciate that, sir, and obviously we hear

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Speaker 2: in Congress have looked to you at your service this

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Speaker 1: I don't think I have the capacity to do what

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Speaker 1: So my hat is off to you. I'm delighted that

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Speaker 1: and we look forward to your future books. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, sir, I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can come back and talk later on next

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Speaker 2: I would love that speaker. I would absolutely be on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest chairman, Mark Green. You can

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