1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: All right, our two Sean Hannity Show toll free eight 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: hundred and nine four one Sean, if you want to 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: be a part of the program on this Friday Live 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Hannity tonight, nine Eastern. We've got a great lineup for 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: you to tell you about that in a minute, including 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: our next guest, the attorney in this case against Alvin Bragg, 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: the Manhattan District Attorney. We have Joe Takapina back with 8 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: us President Trump's attorney. Sir, how are you, Sean. I'm good, 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: a little tired, but I'm good, you know, just beginning 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: the fight and long twenty four hours. Let's put that one. Look, 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: I've known you a long time. You are an incredible lawyer. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: You're a great litigator. You've been You've done over one 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: hundred jury trials, if I'm not mistaken in New York. 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: You've won them, even cases that people thought were impossible. First, 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: let me get to the details of where where you 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: are with the DA's office. There were reports in the 17 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: Politico and elsewhere that Alvin Bragg wanted to arrest Donald 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Trump today, but you guys said absolutely not, and you 19 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: have to work things out with the Secret Service. As 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: this is you know, unprecedented territory that's never happened before. Yeah, exactly. 21 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean I think they were initially looking for a 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: surrender today. I mean, you know, he's five thirty. We 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: found out about this last night. He lives in Florida. 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: The Secret Services involved, so that just wasn't happening. 're 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: working it out right. Nows Necklaces is speaking with them, 26 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: and I think we're talking about a possibly possibility of 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: doing this on Tuesday afternoon. Troun. What we're hearing is 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Tuesday at about two fifteen. Just to make sure, will 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: you get into the nitty gritty the details of exactly 30 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: what will happen that day? For example, Uh, there's going 31 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: to be an arrangement, there's gonna be a mug shot, 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: there's gonna be fingerprinting. Are they going to put handcuffs 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: on the former president? Is there going to be a 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: purp walk of the former president? No, my understanding, there'll 35 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: be no handcuffs at all here. I mean, you know, 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: this is already going to be something that none of 37 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: us have ever seen our lifetimes. And I don't think 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: that that's where we're going here as far as a 39 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: perp work, you know, he's not a purpose, so we 40 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't have a purp work. But you know what they 41 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: seek to put on some dog and pony show and display. 42 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: Of course they will. I mean, you know that's that's 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: part of the reason why here. Um, But listen, you 44 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: know it's it's powerful. Of course, everything that's been done 45 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: in this case so far is based on on you know, 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: representation of the justice system, you know, seeking to derail 47 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: the playsal opponents, seeking to influence the election. So you know, 48 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: whatever they do nothing but surprise at this point, John, 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: nothing at all. Have we figured out what the thirty 50 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: four number means? Yet? We haven't. I mean again, you know, 51 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating that I we learn about this case 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: sometimes with the status of it or the number of 53 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: counts from the New York Times, from the Times. The 54 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Times has basically given us the information, so you know, 55 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: we we they have not told the ship. They won't 56 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: tell us until the indatment is unsealed. But I don't 57 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: think it's going to be anything too shocking or surprising, 58 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: but we have to wait to say, I mean answered. 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: It's all going to be based around the interaction with 60 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: this confidential agreement. Film Daniels and maybe Kara McDougall, or 61 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: you don't know. I don't know, So I mean again, 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: it will be just all right, because there are there 63 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: are really interesting pieces of evidence as it goes into 64 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: this case, and we've gone over them in detail. We 65 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: had the Michael Cohen's lawyer's letter from twenty eighteen, which 66 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: is a completely exculpatory in a private transaction twenty sixteen 67 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: before the US presidential election, mister Cohen used his own 68 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: personal funds to facilitate a payment of one hundred and 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars to Miss Stephanie Clifford. Either the Trump 70 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: organization or the Trump campaign was a party to the 71 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: transaction to Miss Clifford. And we have Michael Cohones saying 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: pretty much exactly the same thing. And then, just to 73 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: add more evidence, we have Stormy Daniel's signature on a 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: January thirtieth, twenty eighteen piece of paper, signing her own 75 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: words that well, I am not denying this affair because 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: I was paid hush money. I'm denying this affair because 77 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: it never happened. So where's the crime here? Well, you know, 78 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: just thinking about what you just said, John, you just framed, framed, 79 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: the issues. Their entire case is built upon people who 80 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: are going to say, I've been a liar. I've been 81 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: a liar throughout this entire episode. I've been a liar 82 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: before I was a liar, you know. And that's but 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: Las Gentleman, the jury, you should believe me now. I mean, 84 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: Michael Cohen has a pathological needs for media attention and 85 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: is a pathological liar. He's been convicted of a slew 86 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: of federal criminal charges, you know, not just not just 87 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: talking to do with this, but but lying to Congress, 88 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: lying to the bank regarding his taximadion U scheme that 89 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: he had their Taxivasian line to the RSUM. You know, 90 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: it just goes on and on and on, and he's 91 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: it's recently shown as yesterday, the day before, he's literally 92 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: on CNN, you know, because now he's a star, and 93 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: he goes on CNN and says that, you know, when 94 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: he played guilty to all these things, he really was 95 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: just forcibly guilty to protect his wife or his family, 96 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: and in fact he wasn't really guilty to him So 97 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: that's him disavowing responsibility. You know, someone who's supposed to 98 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: turn a corner and now be a truth teller, is 99 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: now saying, well, when I played guilty, I perjured myself 100 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: because I wasn't really guilty. That's who they are building 101 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: their case on. He is constitutionally incapable of telling the 102 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: same story twice, and that's going to really be a 103 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: problem for him when he if he ever has to 104 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: get up on a witness stand in this case. It's 105 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: it's it's shocking. And more importantly, Sean Britz, assume for 106 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: a minute lightning struck and everything Michael Cohen said was true, 107 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: and everything seanman Daniel so was true. Do you understand this? 108 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: There's still no crime because there's no federal election law 109 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: campaign violation at all at all. Let me ask you 110 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: about grounds to dismiss that you would likely bring up. 111 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: I'm not asking for your specific legal strategy here, but 112 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: I would imagine there's going to be a number of 113 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: motions to dismiss. I would imagine there's going to be 114 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: a motion to have a change of venue. I would 115 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: imagine that you will argue that the statute of limitations 116 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: has long since passed. I would imagine you will argue 117 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: that it is based on this novel faulty legal theory 118 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: that has never been used before, and that a mere 119 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: misrepresentation on a government document is by itself criminal, that 120 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: recording a payment of hush money is a legal expense. 121 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: Apparently that didn't even happen as recording my sources. But 122 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: and that it becomes a felony only because the purpose 123 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: may have been to violate federal not state campaign statutes. 124 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: And remember, on the federal level they passed on this case. 125 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: I would imagine you'd argue that the charges you would 126 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 1: seek a dismissal based upon the argument of prosecutorial misconduct 127 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: and especially selected prosecution. Tell me what you're where you're 128 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: going with this, So you seem to have got to 129 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: law school. I mean, you just get basically what we 130 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: think will be most of our initial motions. Look, it's 131 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: to be a prudent lawyer. It's hard to say what 132 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: we're going to be filing until we see the indictment. 133 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: We have to see the indictment. But I can't imagine 134 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: everything you just listed not being part of the arsenal 135 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: of legal attack we're going to be making on this 136 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: politically motivated case. There's nothing more. I mean, this is 137 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 1: a again, this stuff scares me, to be quite honest 138 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: with you. You know, the rule of law is now 139 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: endangered and quite frankly have died. And all Americans, I 140 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: don't care how politically inclined to the left or the 141 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: right you are, all Americans should be concerned because today 142 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you know, tomorrow it's a Democrat. The day 143 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: after tomorrow, you know it's your brother, it's your sister, 144 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: it's your niece or your nephew. And it's starting to 145 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: get scary. When we could decide that we have someone 146 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: we don't like, as Mark pumer And said in his book, 147 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: we don't like, we're gonna find something. And they scoured, 148 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: scoured for three years. They scoured all of his personal 149 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: and professional records to find something. And this is what 150 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: they came up with, something that does not even equal 151 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: a crime, according to federal election officials and experts. I 152 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: don't know what they think they're gonna do here, but 153 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: what he's hoping for his books, he indicted President Trump. 154 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: So congratulations are the person who in a former president. 155 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: He appeases his financial backers album, very great, terrific congratulations. 156 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Now he's going to hope that he gets some judge 157 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: who was intellectually dishonest, a jury who is so blue 158 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: that they can't see anything that Donald Trump is doing, 159 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: and they don't want to, you know, regardless of the 160 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: law of the facts, they'll they'll vote to convict. And 161 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: then you know, ultimately an a pelotor would say, ah, 162 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: you know what's Donald Trump? To get it? To get 163 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: the law, to get the facts, to get the rule 164 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: of law, That's what this is. All. This is how 165 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: this has to be played out in their minds, and 166 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: it is a greater Let me ask you this because 167 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: you've tried cases in New York City courtrooms. Yes, So 168 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: my question is and Donald Trump said this himself. He 169 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: warned that he can't get a fair trial in New 170 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: York After an indictment on these charges, Alvin Bragg ran 171 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: to go after one man, Donald Trump, one organization, the 172 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: Trump organization, and one family, the Trump family. I would 173 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: say off at the top of my head, you know 174 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: at Democrats, liberals out numbering Conservatives Republicans nine to one, 175 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: that the odds are not in your favor that you're 176 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: going to get a fair trial in New York City? 177 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: Can you get a change of venue? Will that happen? 178 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: Look obviously we will consider that, we have to consider 179 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: a change of venue. But a change of venue has 180 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: to be based on, you know, sort of legal principles 181 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: that are that are found, and facts that are found 182 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: and things that not just to cover. Would it matter 183 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: that Alvin brag I ran as a candidate campaigning on 184 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: the issue that he's going to go after Donald Trump. 185 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: I would say that was being an inherent bias on 186 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: his part and Magic Stewart select the prosecution and prosecutori 187 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: and misconduct. Look, here's the thing. I understand why people 188 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: would be concerned, really be concerned about about New Yorkers 189 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: being fair to Donald Trump. You know, I've tried, as 190 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: you said, over one hundred dry charles and I have 191 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: to happen to have confidence in New Yorkers to do 192 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: the right thing. And I believe that people, all decent 193 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: people were to politically oppose to Donald Trump or supportive 194 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump, will be outraged by weaponization of a 195 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: prosecutor's office. This is not a crime to facts in 196 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: the laws don't add up to a crime. And I 197 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: think people are gonna stop saying, Jesus, you know, I 198 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: don't like this guy. I'm not gonna vote from as president. 199 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: But I'm not also going to let this country become 200 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: you know what we used to look back on from 201 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: the former Soviet unions, communists China, even not so Germany, 202 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 1: to the point where you know, he's just going to 203 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: target people we don't like him, to help with the 204 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: rule of law and to help with the facts. I 205 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: just want to go after this guy. I think New 206 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: York cur is a savvy and gritty and I still 207 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: have hope. Look, we have to challenge everything that we can, 208 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: because we don't want to be in a situation where 209 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: he can't get a fair trial. But I also believe 210 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: that this is so outrageous and so obvious that a 211 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: New York cury is going to if we're before a 212 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: New York Cury, no matter where in New York, that 213 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: they'll be able to see through this and call it 214 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: what it is. I hope you're right. I would actually 215 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: even hope even more that you might get a change 216 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: in venue, maybe upstate New York, maybe Long Island, anywhere 217 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: I think would be more fair than the New York 218 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: City and all of this quick Frank right back more 219 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: with President Trump's attorney Joe Takapina, then we'll get to 220 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: Don Junior and Hannity at nine tonight as we continue, 221 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: all right, we'll continue a President Trump's attorney, Joe Takapina, 222 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: is with us. You've talked to the president, You've talked 223 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: to his family, talked to some of the family members. 224 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: How's the President handling this? He's tough. I mean, he's 225 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: a tough guy. You know. First there was a bit 226 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 1: of shock and and really disbelief, um, because we just, 227 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, despite all the rumors in scuttle butt in 228 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 1: New York Times reporting, um, there just was still the 229 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: hope that somehow justice and rule of law would prevail, 230 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: that there's no way you could make this a crime 231 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: when it's not a crime. Everyone has said it. Everyone 232 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: from the left and the right who understands this said 233 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: it's our crime. So he's holding up as well as 234 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: to be expected. But I got to say, he's a 235 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: tough guy, and he's someone who now is in fighting 236 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: most And so now we're we're you know, rounding up 237 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: the troops, and we're we're going to be you know, 238 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: tostictly having meetings about how we attack this as soon 239 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: as we get that indictment, you know, um or as 240 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: soon as the New York Times lets us know what's 241 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: in the indictment, well, we'll be ready to, uh, you know, 242 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: plan our course of attack. But he's he's holding up 243 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: thrown and look, you know, it's not a coincidence that 244 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: his poll numbers have seemed to have risen during this 245 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: this targeted prosecution, right. I mean, it seems like people, 246 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: what this has done for a lot of his supporters 247 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: has basically confirmed his position that he's being targeted. It's 248 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: the weaponization of the you know, the system is being 249 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: employed against a political opponent, and that is not what 250 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: we wanted in this country, I mean anything, here's the question, 251 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: does anyone actually believe showing that if someone else were 252 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: accused of paying hush money to avoid a sex scandal 253 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: in the press, in the matter that Donald Trump the 254 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: suspected of doing, that would be prosecuted and never happened 255 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: before in this country's history. I don't know if it's 256 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: ever gonna happen again. I don't know if you saw 257 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: James Comey's tweet, Oh it's been a good day now. 258 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: This is a guy that could not verify because the 259 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: FBI in earlier of twenty sixteen, Went has sent his 260 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: agents over to meet Christopher Steele with a million dollars 261 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: offer if he could corroborate the dossier. He could not, 262 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: as Andrew McCabe said, Without the they never would have 263 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: got the Fizer Warren approved. But James Colemy signed that Warren. 264 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: At the top of the Fizer Warren it says verified. 265 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: He signed three of the four warrants, and he's telling 266 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: us that's a good day. If Donald Trump lied to 267 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: a judge like that, would he be prosecuted. Look how 268 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: about this. Let's say, Donald Trump, you know that the 269 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: whole premise of this case is that this was a 270 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: campaign donation, and therefore it was required that he make 271 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: a filing with the FEC. That is not FFEC has 272 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: already said that. But let's not assume that Donald Trump 273 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: subscribed or his his his advisers subscribed to the ridiculous 274 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: notion that was somehow exclusively done for the campaign, not 275 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: for his personal life, but the campaign only to set 276 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: the standard, and he paid with campaign funds. Actual he 277 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: would be able to do, they would be baying for 278 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: his scout right now, sean campaign funds. He did everything 279 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: the right way. He got John Edwards, who had some 280 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: donor dish out a million dollars for him to hide. 281 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: By the way, John Edwards was found innocent and then 282 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: hum and then the Justice Department decided we're going to 283 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: dismiss the case. Yeah, I think Emmett Flood was his 284 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: lawyer at the time. I know he's a colleague of 285 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: yours and a friend of yours. Smart lawyer like you are. 286 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: All right, we'll have the updates tonight. Joe Tacopina, the 287 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: President's lawyer, will join us. Laura Trump's joining us. We've 288 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: got a great line up nine Eastern. Joe, thank you 289 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: for being so generous with your time and updating this 290 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: great audience of ours absolutely anytime you need it. Appreciate it. 291 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: Eight hundred ninety four one Sean. If you want to 292 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: be a part of the program, we'll get to your 293 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: calls coming up straight ahead, and Donald Trump Junior weighs 294 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: in as we continue. You know, I love this company, 295 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: legacybox dot com. Right now, if you can, I want 296 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: you to go to legacybox dot com slash Hannity and 297 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: they have a special offer today. 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If you want to be a part of 318 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: the program, our legal panel will with Greg Jared David 319 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: Shom will join us in just a minute. At the 320 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: top of the next hour, we'll check in with Donald 321 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: Trump Junior. He will join us. Let me go back 322 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: and let's get a little timeline here of how things 323 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: have evolved with Donald Trump in this Manhattan District Attorney 324 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg. Now, let's play Alvin Bragg, the candidate promising 325 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: to investigate Trump as a Manhattan DA candidate. He's not 326 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: in office. But again, I keep making the point, and 327 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: this is crucial because if you want to live in 328 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: a constitutional republic and not shred that document, if you 329 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: want equal justice under the law, if you want equal 330 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: application of our laws, if you don't want to dual 331 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: justice system, if you don't want to criminalize political differences. 332 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: When people run ongoing after one person, one family, one 333 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: organization and then follow through on that promise, we've got 334 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: a massive problem in this country in terms of the 335 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: rule of law. So this is candidate Alvin Bragg. A 336 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: lot of people are wondering, whoever has this job? Are 337 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: they going to convict Donald Trump? Look that that is 338 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: the number one issue. I'm the candidate in the race 339 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: who has the experience with Donald Trump. I was the 340 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: chief deputy in the Attorney General's Office. We sue the 341 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: Trump administration over a hundred times. I'd be hard to 342 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: argue the fact that that's that'd be the most important, 343 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: most high profile case. And I've seen him up front 344 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: and seeing the lawlessness that he can do, and you 345 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: believe it should happen. I believe we have to hold 346 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: him accountable, and you believe Bragg and I've I've gone 347 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: after the Trump organization over a hundred times. What this 348 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: is insane, That's that's not the America. I know, that's 349 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: not the constitutional public we all love. Now, we had 350 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: three big bombshells last week which turned this case upside 351 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: down and sideways. One was the grand jury did get 352 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: to hear from Robert Costello. But remember, in the case 353 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: of a grand jury, and a lot of people don't 354 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: know this, I'm not I'm not trying to be insulting 355 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: by by telling people this is that no honorable DA 356 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: would ever bring these charges, or no honorable DA would 357 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: run on going after one human being. But a grand 358 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: jury can indict a ham sandwich. You got to keep 359 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: in mind that a grand jury, the defense does not 360 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: get any opportunity at all whatsoever to present any evidence 361 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: to present their case that would contradict what a DA, 362 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: especially a politically motivated DA, is putting before the grand jury. 363 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: Now that means that's what where the statement you can 364 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: indice a ham sandwich comes from. Now the fence doesn't 365 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: get the chance to do that. They don't present anything 366 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: to the grand jury. With that said, Robert Costello comes 367 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: on this program and explains, and I think this is 368 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: critical to this case. That and he was a legal 369 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 1: advisor and he got a waiver from Michael Koone that 370 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: he could speak, and he said that Michael Coombe was 371 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: distraught and suicidal and was talking about jumping off, you know, 372 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: the top of a building, and that Michael Kohane, you know, 373 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: he kept to ask him, Michael, do you have anything 374 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: on Trump? Anything on Trump. That's the only way that 375 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: we can prevent you from going to jail. No, no, no, 376 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: no no. And then goes on a rant about how 377 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm not going to jail under any circumstances. And he 378 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: interpreted that to be he'll lie, cheat, steal, do whatever 379 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: he has to do to prevent himself from going to jail. Listen, 380 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: Michael Kohne, who was I said before, was pacing back 381 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: and forth, would suddenly stop in the middle of whatever 382 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: he was talking about and turn and point his finger 383 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: at us and say, I want you guys to understand, 384 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: I will do whatever the f I have to do. 385 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: I will never spend a day in jail. He said 386 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: that at least ten to twenty times during that two 387 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: hour period. It was a bizarre mantrap, but it made 388 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: it clear to us that Michael kohn was saying, I 389 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: will lie, cheat, Steele, shoot someone, I will never spend 390 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: a day in jail. Then there was the February twenty 391 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: eighteen letter that was so exculpatory in terms of the 392 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: Trump campaign, and I've read that letter now many times 393 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: on the program. Michael Kohon even echoed those the remarks 394 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: in that letter. In a private transaction in twenty sixteen, 395 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: before the US presidential election, mister Cohen used his own 396 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: personal funds to facilitate a payment of one hundred and 397 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars to Miss Stephanie Clifford. Either the Trump 398 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: organization or the Trump campaign was a party to the 399 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: transaction with Miss Clifford. And then of course it showed 400 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: up Washington Post, TMZ other outlets. You know, this is 401 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: Storm Daniels denying January thirty, twenty eighteen, for example, I 402 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: am not denying this affair because I was paid hush money. 403 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: I am denying this affair because it never happened. And 404 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: their signatures on the paper. So anyway, those big three 405 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: things from last week. But here we are thirty four 406 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: counts joining us now. Greg Jarrett and David Shone. Welcome 407 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: back both of you to the program. Good to be here, 408 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: all right, you know, and by the way, Greg has 409 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: a new book coming out soon called Trial of the Century. 410 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: David Shone, you should be writing more books than I 411 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: promote yours. You know, Greg, you have focused in great 412 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: specificity and detail on the indictment, resting on this bizarre 413 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: legal theory and the flaws of this theory. Yeah, you know, 414 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense. It's not just novel, it's 415 00:22:53,520 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: bizarre intertwining offenses. I just don't see that this can 416 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: withstand judicial scrutiny, assuming the judge who presides is objective 417 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: in neutral and of course, you know, as you pointed out, Sean, 418 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: that's a that's a big assumption because the judges in 419 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: New York are notoriously liberal. In a perfect honest world, 420 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: this would never get to a jury. You know, the 421 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: DA accuses Trump of falsifying business records in the accounting 422 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: of this payment to Stormy Daniels. And then he's taking that, 423 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 1: which is a misdemeanor, and he's coupling it with a 424 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: purported campaign finance violation, according to leaks from his office, 425 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: and he tries to elevate it to a felony. The 426 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: law doesn't let him do that. That's a manipulation of 427 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: the law, and I just don't see how he gets there. 428 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: Beyond that, of course, there's the statute limitations which would 429 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: bar his bringing a prosecution, and the exceptions to those 430 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: status to the limitations don't apply. Let's get your thoughts 431 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: on the very same topic, David. Yeah, well, I mean, 432 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: Gregg's right on. But you know, when he says it's 433 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: a bizarre charge and another planet and so on, it's 434 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: never been done before. I mean, that's how bizarre it is. 435 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what mister Komey said when he 436 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: was considering whether to bring charges against Hillary Clinton, the 437 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: same mister Komy that told Lindsey Graham knowing what I 438 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: know now, I never would have signed the FISA applications. 439 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, he knew then what he knew at the 440 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: time that he was being interrogated. That guy, same mister Koman. 441 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: Here's what he said about Hillary Clinton. No reasonable prosecutor 442 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: who brings such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number 443 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations like 444 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent, and then 445 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: he said, reasonable responsible decisions also consider the context of 446 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: a person's actions and how similar situations have been handled 447 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: in the past. It's remarkable as they've never used this 448 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: combination of laws before and they want to try it 449 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: out on a president of the United States. The statute 450 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: of limitation is another very interesting question. It was upheld 451 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: this idea that you exclude the days that a person 452 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: is continuously outside the state was upheld in the ninety 453 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine case called People versus Noble, And what 454 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: they emphasized in the case was that it's meant to 455 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: apply specifically here. The focus of the tolling provision of 456 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: this statute thirty point ten is quote the difficulty of 457 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: apprehending a defendant who was outside the state with any 458 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: difficulty in finding out where Donald Trump was every minute 459 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,719 Speaker 1: of every day. Absolutely not. They indicted him when he's 460 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: outside the state. I went through in the in the 461 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: first hour of the program, touched on it with Joe 462 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: Tacopina of the President's attorney. What will happen Tuesday at 463 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: two fifteen? What this means for Donald Trump? You know 464 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: the charges? What follows the indictment? Will they perp walcom, 465 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: Will they be in handcuffs? There'll be a mug shot. 466 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: We know that there'll be fingerprinting. We know that. Will 467 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: there be bail or will they try to silence Donald Trump, 468 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: which they have done in previous cases Roger Stone case 469 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 1: some point, Paul Mataport case some point number two, Greg Jarrett, 470 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: What is going to happen next Tuesday? Well, I think 471 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: they'll be a process. The Secret Service will make sure 472 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: that the president has properly protected the usual filling out forms, 473 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: background information, fingerprinting, and so forth. Yeah, they'll probably be 474 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: a mug shot. If I were Trump, I'd smile because 475 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: that mug shots are going to be all over the place. 476 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: But you know, by the way, you know what Pete 477 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: Hegsead said last night, and I think he's right. Those 478 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: mug shots are going to be on T shirts and hats. 479 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I ought to go into the business and 480 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: we'll all be able to retire, you know, much earlier. 481 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: Something really important, Sean, and that is that this is 482 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: a guy, Alvin Bragg, who ran on the promise that 483 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: he was going to get Trump. Under the Code of 484 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: Conduct that governs prosecutors in the New York he is 485 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: duty bound to be fair and impartial, and the code 486 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: says he has to refrain from methods calculated to produce prejudice. 487 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: His decisions cannot be driven by political bias. He has 488 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: to be neutral beyond question, such that the appearance of 489 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: a conflict of interest is grounds for disqualification. So he 490 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: seems to have forgotten one of those sacred canons of 491 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: professional ethics. The primary duty of a prosecutor is not 492 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 1: to convent vict but to see that justice is done. 493 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: And then the American Bar Association's ethical Standard reads, when 494 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: deciding whether to initiate or continue an investigation, prosecutors should 495 00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: not be influenced by partisan or other improper political consider rations, 496 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 1: no personal animus toward a potential subject. He has expressed 497 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: you played the clips. He has expressed his personal animus 498 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: and is promised to get Trump. He has breached not 499 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: only the the you know, the Bar Association standards, but 500 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: also New York standards that government prosecutors. All right, quick 501 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: break right back. We'll continue more with attorneys Greg Jarrett 502 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: and David Scheld on the other side. Then we'll get 503 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: to your calls and Don Junior will be joining us 504 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: as well as we continue. Sean our number. If you 505 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: want to be a part of the program. Let me 506 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: ask both of you this question. What emotions would you make? 507 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: For example, emotion to dismiss. I would go after Alvin 508 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: Bragg having prejudged this case based on comments that he's 509 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: made change of venue. David, I'll ask you first, Then Greg, 510 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: I'll ask you. Well, I'll tell you this. I mean again, 511 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: you don't have a great choice of judges in this court. 512 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: But the reports have been so far that this case 513 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: is going to be a sign to Judge mrchand I've 514 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: been in front of him. If it gets designed to 515 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: Judge mrchen, there should be an immediate motion to recuse, 516 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: because then they're playing games. Mrchend was assigned to the 517 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: Trump organization case to the Bannon case, and now to this. 518 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: They have a historic practice in this office, these office Manhattan, 519 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: the only office in the state that does it, where 520 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: they picked a judge to oversee the grand jury process, 521 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: and they picked the judge because that judge then stays 522 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: on the case for the duration. It was challenged in 523 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: state court and the challengers lost, but in federal court 524 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: they suggested this could be a real problem and in 525 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: this case that merchant would have been hand picked. You 526 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: deserve to have the case go into the wheel. He's 527 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: a Trump hater all the way through. That's not good. 528 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: So if you're Joe Tacopina, Greg Jarrett, what are you 529 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: focusing on? What motions would you be putting forth? Well, 530 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: I would follow a motion to dismiss arguing that the 531 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: case is not supported by the law and that the 532 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: alleged facts do not amount to a crime. And as 533 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: I said, you know, he doesn't have jurisdiction to pursue 534 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: a federal campaign finance violation. He is a local prosecutor. 535 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: He is restricted to charging under state law. So to 536 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: bootstrap a federal law for the purpose of elevating a 537 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: dubious misdemeanor into a felony is just not permitted by 538 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: the law. That's an errant manipulation own. I had one 539 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: more thing ifact made really quickly. You know, the President 540 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: Trump had every right to resist extradition in this case, 541 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,479 Speaker 1: and Florida has very interesting extradition statute under ninety one 542 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: point four. The governor has a right and duty to 543 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: investigate the case. Now we can't just say no to 544 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: the extradition request because he thinks maybe he's not guilty, 545 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: But in this case, he had the right to investigate it. 546 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: That means make them produce some evidence, make them prove 547 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't a scam. It'd be a great opportunity for 548 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: the defense to see their hand and for Governor Dessentis 549 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: to really evacuate it. He has said he would not 550 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: cooperate with it, so he ordinarily extradition is a slam 551 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: dunk and maybe politically makes no sense maybe for him 552 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: to resist it, but it would be within his rights 553 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: to at least make them prove the case for the 554 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: extradition purposes to the governor satisfaction. You know, I gotta 555 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: tell you, I think there are a number of grounds 556 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: that they're likely to engage in you know, they'll say 557 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: it's based on the faulty legal theory that you're referring to. 558 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: Greg Jarrett, you too. David Trump's lawyers will argue that 559 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: the charges are barred by statute of limitations. His lawyers 560 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: will seek a dismissal based upon the argument of prosecutorial 561 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: misconduct and selective prosecution. I think they will all be 562 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: powerful arguments, but I gotta run. I gotta say thank 563 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: you to both of you for being with us. We 564 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. David shown, Greg Jarrett, thank you both. 565 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. 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