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Crime Stories with 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph Channel one thirty two. 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: Montgomery County police have searched Laura Wallon's condo looking for clues. 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Wallon didn't show up to teach her a social studies 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: class on Tuesday, the first day of school at wald 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: Leg High. The missing teacher's father and sister says she 21 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: was four months pregnant. She was a woman of faith 22 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: and right now she is in the arms of God. 23 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Her body has now been recovered. Tyler Tessier, Mrs Wallon's boyfriend, 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: was arrested for her murder. In addition to having me 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: having this Wallon as a girlfriend, he was engaged to 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: another one. Key lied to my face when I asked 27 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: him about the other girl and said, I haven't seen 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: her in two years. I haven't talked to her in 29 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: two years, and I believed him. He's a very believable guy. 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: Teacher of the year, Teacher of the year, four months pregnant, 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: sound dead and a shallow grave in a remote field. Why, 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: why odds are she thought she was about to be 33 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: proposed to. She had just sent her sister a text 34 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: saying Tyler has taken me on an adventure. We're out 35 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: in a field. What could it be? It was a 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: burial ground, That's what it was. No ring involved. I'm 37 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is crime stories and I want justice. 38 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: I am talking about a thirty one year old woman, 39 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: four months pregnant with the baby of Tyler Tessier. She 40 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: is dead now. Her autopsy is ongoing. Why I believe 41 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: because they are trying to determine the age of the 42 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: baby Catch twenty two. In many countries around the world, 43 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: viability for a baby starts at just fourteen weeks. Fourteen 44 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: weeks in the United States, typically it's twenty weeks twenty 45 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: weeks for viability. Why is this important Because if that 46 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: baby was viable at the time the teacher of the 47 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: Year is shot in the back of the head, then 48 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: that's a double murder. Okay, that's what's taking so long 49 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: on the autopsy. Was the baby viable? Joining me right 50 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: now an all star cast with me Crime Online reporter 51 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: Lee Egan, who's been doing a lot of digging on 52 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: this case. The director of the Cold Case Institute, Cheryl McCullum, 53 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst Dr Bethany Marshall joining me from l A. Ladies, 54 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know, when I 55 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: hear what has gone down, I'm literally sick at my stomach. 56 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum sick. Tyler's taking me on an adventure. That's 57 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: some adventure. Huh. Oh my god, Nancy, it is horrifying 58 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: for her to sit there and tech I'm waiting in 59 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: this field, waiting, and then he comes from behind her 60 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: calculated and shoots her in the back of the head. 61 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: It is a death sin of the case as far 62 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. Well, here's the deal. It's Maryland. In Maryland, 63 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: the governor and all of his wisdom got rid of 64 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: the death penalty and commuted everybody on death row to 65 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: life behind bars. You can kill as many people as 66 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: you want to in Maryland and just get life behind bars. 67 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: In fact, what brought that to my attention was when 68 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: three little girls were stabbed dead in Maryland, all under 69 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: the age of ten. Uh huh, and there's no death penalty. 70 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: Three little girls stab dad. I want to go back 71 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: to something we were just saying, Cheryl Um when I 72 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: first learned through our sources that there was no visible 73 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: trauma to the body, they didn't know the cause of death. 74 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, okay, I did not expect him to 75 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: asphyxiate her in an open field. He didn't. We now 76 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: have information she was shot once in the back of 77 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: the head. And I'm gonna go to Bethany on this 78 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: in just a moment, because Cheryl, no way could he 79 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: look her in the face and strangle her. No way 80 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: shot her in the back of the head like the coward. 81 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: He is punk and that's exactly right, Nancy. He could 82 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: not face them, he couldn't, So let me go to 83 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: Lee Egan. Um, I wanna We were starting with a 84 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: dead body of the teacher of the Year and I'm 85 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: sick about it. And her family is sick about her family, 86 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: her mom and dad that sat there giving a press or, 87 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: holding the boyfriend, Tyler Tessier's hand, patting him on the shoulder, 88 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: they knew at the time they did that press or 89 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: that he was a suspect. Lee Egan, they did know, 90 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: and they did not like it. He had a bond 91 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: hearing yesterday morning, and Mark Wallen, Laura's father, spoke at 92 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: the bond hearing and said, he's a monster, a liar, 93 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: and it took everything he had just to play that role. 94 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: And he knew that he had to do it to 95 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: to get Tyler to talk, which is what the police 96 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: wanted him to do, to see what he had to say, 97 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: to see if he he slipped up, watch his body language, 98 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: the words he said. And it was just extremely difficult 99 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: for the family to do. The mother, she was shaking 100 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: so much while holding his hand that she couldn't move. 101 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: She just sat on that bench, she couldn't talk. Um. 102 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: It was just extremely difficult for for the family. Following 103 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: up on what Lee and has just reported, listen to 104 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: what Laura Walla's dad said about that press or the 105 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: press conference that we did the other day was a 106 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: press conference to get out the baby, a picture and 107 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: the name of the baby daddy. And it was all 108 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: we could do two be seen as a unified family 109 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: with him. He is a monster, and he is a liar, 110 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: and it is It was absolutely the hardest thing that 111 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: my wife could do would be to sit next to 112 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: him and hold his hand, and she had to hold 113 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: his hand with two hands because she was shaking so badly. 114 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: And but we did it because as any father would 115 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: do if your child is missing and someone has that child. 116 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: We were pretty sure it was Tyler, but we didn't 117 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: know where she was. And you can't put somebody away 118 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: on a missing person. Someone doesn't go to prison for 119 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: life on a missing person. And he it's it defies 120 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: description the the awfulness and the horror that we have 121 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: been put through on this. We've all been deceived through 122 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: days your family, most computely, did you feel as though 123 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: you were being deceived? Really a fine views have been 124 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: anyway he is. He has been deceiving and lying their 125 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: entire existence, and it their their relationship was the only 126 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: thing that Laura and her family ever fought about. Laura 127 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: is a wonderful girl, so bright, of such a bright future. 128 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: And he he lied to my face when I asked 129 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: him about the other the other girl, and said, I 130 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: haven't seen her in two years. I haven't talked to 131 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: her in two years. And I believed her. I believed him. 132 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: He's a very believable guy. To Dr Bethany Marshall, Dr Bethany, 133 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the psychopathy behind this. 134 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that she, Laura 135 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: Wallen was saying, Oh, Tyler has brought me on an adventure. 136 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: That some adventure, Bethany, some adventure. What I kept thinking 137 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: about was the hopeful anticipation she had. You know, they 138 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: had been together for ten years. They didn't live together 139 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: as far as I know. She was four months prey meant, 140 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: and I imagine that she thought that finally, finally they 141 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: would be engaged, finally he would move in with her, 142 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 1: finally they would have a life together. And four months pregnant. 143 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: I mean that she's beginning to show it's about the 144 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: time you start shopping for the crib and and thinking 145 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: about the life of the unborn child of future together. 146 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: And so this is the moment in her mind where 147 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: she thinks he's going to propose. But in terms of 148 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: the psychopathy, what we know about sociopaths is that they 149 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: cannot attach. They have low levels of empathy and remorse. 150 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: They have reckless disregard and lack of concerns for the 151 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: right and safety of others. That they are homicidal. They 152 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: played by their own rules rather than the rules of society. 153 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: And on brain imaging scans, if you look at the 154 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: brain scans of sociopaths, the part of the brain that 155 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: lights up when looking at other people and having empathy 156 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: and engaging with other people, that part of the brain 157 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: is dead. They just do not have empathy and they 158 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: do not attach. However, they don't want to let other 159 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: people down. They are very concerned about their own self image. 160 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: So I think it's significant that he shot her in 161 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: the back of the head. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, 162 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: Dr bethany Um. Now I'm certainly no psychoanalysts like you are. 163 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm just to try a lawyer and a crime victim, 164 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. When Dr Bethany says they don't want to 165 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: let people down, I don't think he gave it a 166 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: flying fig about letting anybody else down or their feelings. 167 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: I think he just wanted to keep all the balls 168 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: into the air for his own amusement. He had two women, 169 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: one he was engaged to and living with the other 170 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: one is four months pregnant, and reports that he had 171 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: gone to Laura Walla's father and asked for her hand 172 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: in marriage. She's the one that's four months pregnant. He 173 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: wanted to keep playing, keep both of these women on 174 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: the line. That's why he hadn't settled down after or 175 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: ten years. Now, Listen, I certainly don't have a leg 176 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: to stand on because it was many, many years after 177 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: case murderer before I finally finally could bring myself to 178 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: try to marry again. But I don't think it was 179 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: any sentimentality on his part that kept him from wanting 180 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: to get married. I mean, the woman is four months pregnant. Now, 181 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: if that ain't the time to poop, then I don't know, 182 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: you better just get off the pot. But what I'm 183 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: saying here is think about it? Is it true, Cheryl McCollum, 184 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: He said he didn't have a cell phone? My how 185 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: convenient that way Laura Wallan couldn't face time and and 186 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: see that he wasn't at work and see that he 187 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: was at somebody else's place. That's convenient, right, no cell phone? 188 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? It's convenient? And he also didn't 189 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: need the phone pinging to where he went to bury 190 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: your body, and he used her cell phones to send 191 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: the text messages as though it were her and look 192 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: at his own word as the nancy. They go to 193 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: the store together on September two, he kills her on 194 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: September one. September four, he sends a text message as 195 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: though he were the victim to our sister that says, oh, 196 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm like sure that Tyler is not the 197 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: baby's dad. Um, I think it's my egg boyfriend. I mean, 198 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: what a piece of crap this guy is. Then he's 199 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: still trying to get himself out of trouble with the 200 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: other fiancee. He doesn't want anybody to say that baby 201 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: is his. And incidentally, she hadn't seen the egg boy 202 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: friend in two years, so that'd be quite a trick 203 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: paller piece of crap. You know, I want to go 204 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: through what we know about Tyler Tessier, Cheryl McCollum at 205 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: this point, let me hear what you and Lee know. 206 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: Then we'll get Bethany Marshall to shrink at Go ahead, Cheryl. 207 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: We know he has two women. We know he doesn't 208 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: have a job. We know he's got three places that 209 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: he stays occasionally to sleep. So it's like he does 210 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: have any responsibilities like a real adult. He's not going 211 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: to take care of this baby. He ain't worried about 212 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: a boral one k or retirement. He doesn't have a 213 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: mortgage in a house he's taken care of. He damned sure. 214 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: He ain't gonna try to take care of a job 215 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: for the next eighteen years. So, Lee Egan, how does 216 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: that play into the facts as we know them regarding 217 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: the murder? For one thing, without a steady home, you know, 218 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: nobody could drive by and see what he was doing. Um. 219 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: I I understand Lee, that he was living in three 220 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: different places. I don't know where that third place is. Yeah, 221 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm not sure either that that has been reported though 222 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: that there was he was living with the fiance we're 223 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: not sure who she is yet. And then he was 224 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: living on and off with Laura, and then there was 225 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: a third place. I don't know if that was a 226 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: third woman, a friend, or what, but reports are saying 227 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: that he was kind of hopping around from three different places. 228 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: And I guess, since I don't know how, Laura didn't 229 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: know where his other home was, but she didn't know 230 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: about that he was engaged to this other woman. She 231 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: had no idea too until I believe August or so, 232 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: and that's when she sent this other woman a text 233 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: message wanting to meet with her. So I don't know 234 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: how she didn't know where he was living when he 235 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: wasn't with her, but obviously it was what with you know, 236 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: the other woman. You know also Dr Bethany A lot 237 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: of times, you you believe, you think what you want 238 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: to think. If he said, um, going, I'm going home 239 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: to mom and Dad's, you know, don't call it too 240 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: late to wake him up, Um, I'll see you tomorrow, 241 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: and he didn't have a cell phone, doesn't have a 242 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: cell phone, so you know what she's supposed to do 243 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: track him down to his parents house and drive by 244 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: like she's sixteen years old and look in the window. 245 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, what a deadbeat. He didn't even have 246 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: a cell phone. And my understanding is that he didn't 247 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: even have a job at this point when the crime 248 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: was committed. So this guy had a lot of time 249 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: on his hands to do whatever he wanted to do. 250 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: You know, when I think of sociopathy, I think of 251 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: it as a more intense form of narcissism. It's all 252 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: the same features of a narcissist, but a more intense version, 253 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: Like a narcissist will lack empathy, as sociopath will be callous. 254 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: A narcissist will take advantage of other people. Um associate 255 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: path will have a parasitic lifestyle and live off of 256 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: other people. So I think that what was happening is 257 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: that the multiple women and bouncing around from house to house, 258 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: it was not just for the sexual gratification and the 259 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: excitement of having two women, and who knows, he may 260 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: have had even more than two. But but I think 261 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: of it as as a part of a parasitic lifestyle 262 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: living off of other people. Um, So he didn't have 263 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: a job, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that 264 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: both women were supporting him. Financially and more in heaven. 265 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is okay, he's certainly not a catch. 266 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way, all right. He's not 267 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: gonna be he's not gonna be um nominated for the 268 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: Bachelor Show. But beyond that, I mean, I don't know 269 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: what either of them saw in him, but what it 270 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: has ended up in is the murder of this beautiful girl. 271 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: And I know I said it yesterday. I just keep 272 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: thinking about, um, the one student and y'all are gonna 273 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: kill me. But I'm gonna tell a story again. So 274 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: the twins had to read a story. A book, another book. 275 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: This one is realistic fiction. Lucy always picks these incredibly 276 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: sad books, like one the mother dies in the end. Uh, 277 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: this one the teacher dies in the end. I don't 278 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: know how she does it. I call her Wednesday Adams 279 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: right to her face. But um, she picked this book 280 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: called Mrs Bigsby's Last Day and it's about this awesome, 281 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: incredible teacher with one strand of pink hair that is 282 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: just really affects these these middle schoolers lives and she 283 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: gets cancer, and the big finale is the three boys 284 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: try to cut school and get across town on a 285 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: bus to give her the perfect day. That one day 286 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: sometimes in school, she described, and it was sitting on 287 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: the side of a hill looking at the sky, having 288 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: a glass of wine and eating her favorite cheese raspberry 289 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: cheesecake from Michelle's is French Bakery. So they cut school. 290 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: They catch all this series of busses. They try to 291 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: buy wine under age, and the guy that agrees to 292 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: do it steals their money and buys Jack Daniels and 293 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: runs away from them. They catch him later, attack and 294 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: get the Jack Daniels. They end up getting her out 295 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: of intensive care, taking her outside and sitting there having 296 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: she has a sip of Jack Daniels, you know, and 297 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: the kate got smushed in the knapsack, but they have 298 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: that moment that they tried to recreate for her. And 299 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: then I read about this woman Laura. I think I 300 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: might actually tear up Laura Wallen. And one student said 301 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: that he was down and out and he was talking 302 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: about skateboarding. She showed up that weekend. This is not 303 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: Miss Bixby. This is the real Laura Wallon who's dead now. 304 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: She showed up at his door with her skateboard and 305 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: they go skateboarding in front of his house. I read. 306 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: Another student said that she paid as much attention to 307 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: people that obviously needed help as to those who are 308 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: really quiet, like my little girl, Lucy super quiet, John David, 309 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: very gregarious, he's the mayor of the school. She would 310 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: pay attention to those quiet students too, and once do 311 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: it insists that I'm being called o G, original gangster. 312 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: And so she called the little girl o G the 313 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: whole year, just to make her happy. And she would 314 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: go up to students and say, give me up what 315 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: a jellyfish hug. I don't know what that is, but 316 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: that was her thing. And she would open her arms 317 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: up in wiggle her arms. That's who Laura Walla is. 318 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account, 319 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, gets out 320 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 1: and vanishes. Everybody has a theory. Was she murdered? Was 321 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: it a suicide? Did she run away? Join the search 322 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: as an investigative reporter and former US Marshall uncovered new evidence, 323 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: interrogate new witnesses, trace down new leads, and this riveting 324 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray and starting Saturday, 325 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: September eight fift pm, seven fifteen Central on GIN the 326 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: new network for Crime and Now. As promised straight into 327 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: that press conference from the State Attorney Listen Tyler Lewis 328 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: Lewis Tessier, age thirty two of Damascus Up has been 329 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: charged and three charges, including the first degree murder of 330 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: Laura Wallen, age thirty one, a magnificent teacher from wild 331 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: Like High School in uh Howard County, UH. In addition 332 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: to the murder charge, which carries a maximum sentence of 333 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: life without the possibility of parole, the defendants charged with 334 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: altering evidence. If you read the charging document it was 335 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: distributed to you in court, you will see their work. 336 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: Various actions or activities taken by UH by the defendant 337 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 1: Mr Tessier Uh in the days after he murdered Miss 338 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: Wallen UH aging the evidence, moving her car, taking a 339 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: tag off of her car, throwing keys or license away. 340 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: He did tamper with the evidence. Is all contained within 341 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,959 Speaker 1: the charging document. He also did and as as as 342 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: Donna Fenton mentioned in court, he did give a series 343 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: of statements to the police, essentially none of which were 344 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,679 Speaker 1: consistent with the others. I think miss Fenton characterized his 345 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: statements as containing hundreds of lies that the police could 346 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: prove based on their inconsistency with his other statements were 347 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: other investigative efforts, UH that were made by the police 348 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: that showed that what he was telling them was not, 349 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: in fact the truth. Defendant today appeared before these are 350 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: Zubari Williams, Judge of the District Court for Montgomery County. 351 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: Judge Williams, at the request of the state, agreed with 352 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: our request that he'd be held without bond, and the 353 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: defendant is held without bond, he will remain incarcerated UH 354 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: pending preliminary hearing date, which is set for October thirteenth 355 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: of this year. UH. I will tell you, for many 356 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: of you who are experienced covering these cases, that creliminary 357 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: hearing date will probably never come to pass, because the 358 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: reality is we will take action bringing this matter to 359 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: the Grand Jury of Montgomery County prior to that date, 360 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: and the only thing that will happen on October will 361 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 1: be the announcement we hope of an indictment of the 362 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: defendant for what we believe are the appropriate charges at 363 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: that time. UM. As we know from in court today, UH, 364 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: the defendant in this matter was characterized in court and 365 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: did characterize himself to some as the boyfriend of the deceased, 366 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: as was mentioned also in court. UH. There was somewhat 367 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: of a trial triangle of atmosphere surrounding this because the defendant, 368 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: in addition to have me having Miss Walland as a girlfriend, 369 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: he was engaged to another woman. I think that he was. 370 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: It was clear. I think from what was said in 371 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: court he was not honest with either of the women 372 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: regarding the true nature of the relationship with with the other. UH. 373 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: The family was president in court. We've had constant communication 374 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: members of my office, Miss Herdman and Miss Fenton have 375 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: been working around the clock on this matter. I will 376 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,479 Speaker 1: tell you UH. The autopsy and as matter is still pending, 377 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: UH mr is not done. We don't not do not 378 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: have the results of that as of yet. UM. As 379 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: you know, the body of Miss Wong was recovered in 380 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: a field UM up in Damascus, Maryland. UH. Again, I 381 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: want to salute the Morcomery County Police Department of the 382 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: Homicide Division. I think that the marvelous job following this case, 383 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: UH repeatedly interviewing the defendant, challenging him on his inconsistencies, 384 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: and then using the forensics, they use cell phone records 385 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: to show that he was repeatedly, night after night after night, 386 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: going back to the same field. That is the field 387 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: where Ms. Wallen's body was in fact recovered. Now that 388 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: was the States attorney talking about the so called other woman. 389 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: But frankly, you know, and I do not like a 390 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: another woman. But um oh, that reminds me. Okay, is 391 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: everybody sitting down, you better lay down for this one. Okay. 392 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: So at my little Methodist church that I go to, 393 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: there is a guy that's got to be he's got 394 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: to be eighty seven years old, and he got a 395 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: young wife. She's about eighty one. And I love her 396 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: because she's always dressed to the nines every time, you know, 397 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: I see her like with a hat, the whole shebang. 398 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: So I was in this Bible study and this old 399 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: gentleman was in it with me, and I used to 400 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: fight with him all the time because he would actually 401 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: suggest that Christ didn't happen. Okay, So we get into 402 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: and why is he im Bible study for a pieces? 403 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a better person, everybody, you know, 404 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: I need it. I need it. Okay, I need the help, 405 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: all the helping get and so I spend the whole 406 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: hour fighting with him during disciple study. Anyway, long story short, 407 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: because I fought with him so much, I felt that 408 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: I had to be really friendly to him to show 409 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: in that no hard feelings. When I would see him, 410 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: I'd go up and say hello, good morning, and hug 411 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: and you know when I would see him, well, anyway, 412 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: he actually wrote my assistant and asked me because his 413 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: wife was jealous for me not to be so exuberant 414 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: and saying hello to him. I'm like, Oh, dear Lord 415 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: in Heaven, I'm the other woman in this scenario. I'm like, 416 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: so anyway, I have now been you know, brand did 417 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: as the big hussy, all right. Needless to say, when 418 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: I see those two come in, I run the other 419 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: way from it. So that's my big story. But what 420 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm what I'm trying to say is I really don't 421 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: think either one of these ladies or the other woman. 422 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: I don't think that existed in this scenario. One of 423 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 1: him he's living with, he's engaged to, the other one 424 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: he's about to have a baby with. I mean, you 425 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: know what else broke my heart Cheryl McCullum the neighbor. 426 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: Her neighbor said that he's known her for years. She 427 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: must have lived on top of his apartment because she 428 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: liked to bead and make jewelry, and she'd sit outside 429 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: on her patio and beads would fall through I guess 430 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: the patio, and she would always be scurrying down there 431 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: to get the beads that have fallen down on his patio. 432 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: And he said that all these boxes had started arriving 433 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: from bed bath and beyond and other places. You know, 434 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: it's for the baby, Cheryl. Of course, the whole thing 435 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,640 Speaker 1: is so heartbreaking, you know. And again, I know we've 436 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 1: talked about it at nauseam, but he said gaping hole. 437 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: And then he takes as another friend and says, hey, 438 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a ride to Baltimore. Um, I gotta 439 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: clean up a meth. He's telling you again, this was messy, 440 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: this was awful, and he's asking for help. And on 441 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: top all of it, you're gonna be too lazy to 442 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: dig the hole yourself. It's pathetic. The whole thing is now, 443 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: you did say that at the very beginning before where 444 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: he was even a suspect, when we the three of 445 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: us were talking. You said it disturbed you, Cheryl McCollum, 446 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: the director of the Cold Case Institute, that when he 447 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: said it's left a gaping hole in our lives. Right 448 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: immediately you said, okay, right there. And this is when 449 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: later it came out that there was no obvious trauma 450 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: or in the back of the head as she was 451 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: lying face up, that maybe they didn't see it. Um. 452 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: But almost immediately, Cheryl, you said his phraseology of gaping 453 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: hole disturbed you, and you were right. She was shot 454 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: in the back of the head. Now, guys, you all 455 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: know what a big turn of events it was when 456 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: I got pregnant and had the twins. I mean, nobody 457 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: loosted on me ever expected that was gonna happen in 458 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: my life. And Cheryl, do you remember that shower. It 459 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: was like it was just very simply the event of 460 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: the season. Okay, just kidding. I mean, we had so 461 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: many cops and investigators and lawyers, prosecutors. I don't think 462 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: there are any defense attorneys. Oh there was one, Renee Rockwell. 463 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking about that time in life when 464 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: you're suddenly doing something unexpected and different, wonderful and as 465 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: it's turned out, Cheryl. I mean, it's been the project 466 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: of my life. It's the best time ever. It's the 467 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: It's the greatest love you're ever gonna have. And he 468 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: robbed her of that tune, Nancy, And I was just 469 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: thinking about it with those best I mean, those bad 470 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: Bath and Beyond boxes showing up. You know, there were 471 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: things for the baby, right of course, that's the greatest 472 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: shopping ever because you're picking out stuff for your baby, 473 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: the crib, the theme, everything is going to be soft 474 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: and precious and wonderful, and you're not doing anything for 475 00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: yourself ever again. And it is the most remarkable selfless 476 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: path you're ever gonna be on. And he had her 477 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: standing in a field, thinking they were fixing to do 478 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: all these wonderful things together, when the reality is who 479 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: went back and got a weapon, walked back toward her 480 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: with her back to him because he's such a coward, 481 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: and shot her in the back of the head. You know, 482 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't say, okay, turn around, 483 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: turn around to get her to turn around, like he 484 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: was about to give her a ring. You know, another 485 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: thing that may have brought this to a head, and again, 486 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: it's certainly not psychoanalytical verbiage. Dr Bethany, I'm sure you're cringing. 487 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: But the fact that, uh, the victim, Laura Walling, had 488 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: recently texted the so called other woman and said, hey, 489 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: I want to meet with you. I'm sure if you're 490 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: in my position, you'd want answers to This is not 491 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: a confrontation. I just want to talk to you, woman 492 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: to woman. I can't believe they were going to actually 493 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: fight over this guy. I like, you know, here, he's yours. 494 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: I'll send him to your c O D keep him 495 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: for peacesache. But you know, obviously the other woman may 496 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: have told him about this text and you're like, I 497 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: gotta do something, And this is what he did in 498 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: the language of Laura's text was so kind. That's that's 499 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: all I was struck by when I read the text. 500 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: You know, she said, this is not when she texted 501 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: the other woman. I I she says something to the effective, Um, 502 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: I think that you would want answers and this is 503 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: not a confrontation. This is what a kind person Laura was, 504 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: you know. And I wouldn't be surprised if the fact 505 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: that it came to a head is not because he 506 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: was afraid of the discovery or that the women will 507 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: get jealous, or that he would lose the fiance's love 508 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: or affection. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just because 509 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: he wasn't he was going to lose his paycheck. In 510 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: other words, maybe the fiance had more money, or the 511 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: fiance was supporting him in some way, or that's where 512 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: he was residing, and so that's where the greatest loss 513 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: would be. To see what I mean, um that it's 514 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: probably had nothing to do with love or affection. It 515 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: had to do with where the greatest gratification was. You know. 516 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: The other thing that I cannot get out of my mind, Nancy, 517 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,719 Speaker 1: is what the parents must have been thinking over the 518 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: past ten years. Their daughter has his boyfriend who is 519 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: a deadbeat. He's works maintenance for landscaping company. He can't 520 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: even afford his own phone. He's bouncing around from house 521 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: to house. Their daughter gets pregnant. The father of the 522 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: baby is not even living with her or providing anything 523 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: for her. What a heartbreak for those parents. I mean, 524 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: they've really been suffering for ten years as they've seen 525 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: their daughter go through this with this guy, and then 526 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: to have such a horrible outcome. Really through it they have, 527 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: really And I remember, Cheryl, you lived through a lot 528 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: of this with me because you met me when I 529 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,719 Speaker 1: was a Brandy prosecutor after Keith was murdered. Um, my 530 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: parents stood by for all those years saying, please Mary, David, 531 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: please please rush now, run to the don't look back. 532 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I just kid, I was too messed 533 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: up to do anything. And now after this family has 534 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 1: been through all this, Cheryl, now, oh, can you imagine 535 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: what it's like for them to wake up in the morning, Cheryl, 536 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: I cannot imagine, Nancy. They have lost a daughter, a 537 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: grand child. And and again they knew this man for 538 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: ten years for on some level, I'm certain they cared 539 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: about him too, because she did. So it's it's to me, 540 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: it's more than devastating. It's more than gut wrenching, heartbreaking. 541 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: There's no word for it. There is absolutely no word 542 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 1: for just the devil had walked through their house. I mean, 543 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: I don't you know, uh Lee egan right at the 544 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: get go when I found out it was her thought. 545 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: Laura's father called the school and said, have you heard 546 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: from Laura Wallen? And they went No, he thought to ask, 547 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,919 Speaker 1: did she ask for a sub? This is the first 548 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: day of school for pizza. You don't not show up 549 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: on the first day of school. And when it's your dad, 550 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: when it's your father calling to check up on you, 551 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: and he thought to ask, is she arranged for a sub? 552 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: He knew her that? Well, why wasn't it TESTI er, 553 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 1: why wasn't her her boyfriend looking for her? That? Right then? 554 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: I knew you. Okay, this is way wrong, to Lee Egan, 555 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: reporter Crime Online dot Com. Lee, what about these texts? 556 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: Two messages? Oh yeah, One more thing I wanted to 557 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: point out to Dr Bethany to think about is her 558 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: text didn't just say Tyler has brought me on an 559 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,280 Speaker 1: adventure with him. She also said he had her quote 560 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: waiting in a field. I mean, okay, Lee, what about 561 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: the other texts he sent from her phone? According to police, 562 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: he sent a text message I think it was Monday. 563 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: It was either Sunday or Monday UM to her sister 564 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: saying I'm ninety sure that Tyler is not the father 565 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 1: of my baby. And then he penned on a guy 566 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 1: that she had not dated in around two years and 567 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: one of the biggest red flags. Was he misspelled this 568 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 1: guy's name and this is somebody that that Laura knew. Well. 569 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: I saw that immediately. First of all. First of all, 570 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: as if Laura Wallen is going to be putting it, 571 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 1: why don't you just send an omni to everybody she knows? 572 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: Oh guess what I had the wrong daddy. I'm not 573 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: totally sure, but maybe my baby is Antoine's and then 574 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: misspell it. He spelled it a n W a n 575 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: Antoine instead of a N t O. I n okay e, 576 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: but I'm like, okay. When I first saw I thought, well, 577 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,280 Speaker 1: maybe it's one of those people they give a weird 578 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: spelling to their name, but probably not. This is misspelled. 579 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: That was my first thought. And then later I saw 580 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: where Antoine was actually spelled a different way. She had 581 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: not seen the Antoine person for several years, and I'm 582 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: sure the sister knew that. Um. And then she's like, 583 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: if you talked to Tyler, you know, tell him what 584 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: a great guy he is. I don't want to hurt 585 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: his feelings. I mean, Bethany helped me, but he has 586 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: just shot the woman in the head. She's in a 587 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: shallow grave out in the field and he's writing about 588 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: himself from her cell phone. Help me, h you notice 589 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 1: saying that criminals are stupid. I mean Tyler really exemplified 590 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: this because not only does he use the deceased girlfriend's 591 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: cell phone to send text messages to the sister, he 592 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: doesn't even try to adopt her style of writing. I mean, 593 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,879 Speaker 1: when the sister receives these text messages, it was very 594 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: clear to her that this was not Laura's writing style, 595 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: so it was Tyler's writing style. There were misspellings, it 596 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: was like an odd quality to the text. I mean, 597 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: Tyler could not have been more obvious. And when you 598 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: talk about her, you know, standing in the field, he says, 599 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,959 Speaker 1: you know, wait here talking about this really low functioning, 600 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 1: potentially low i Q. Man who cannot even hold down 601 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: a job, doesn't support himself. How's to ask for a 602 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: ride to clean up the mess he's made, doesn't have 603 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: his own cell phone? And yet Laura, Laura is completely 604 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: compliant with him when he asks her to stand in 605 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,959 Speaker 1: the field. And you pointed out that she probably thought 606 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: that there was going to be a big surprise that 607 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: he was going to propose to her. Um, Laura text 608 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: to the sister, you know, Tyler's taking me on an adventure. 609 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: But my other thought about this is that she's completely 610 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: under his spell. He is so manipulative that he has 611 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: really gotten Laura to bend to his will. And I 612 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: keep pointing out she was probably supporting him, probably doing 613 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: everything for him, so he was able to just take her, 614 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: take her to this field and ask her to stand 615 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 1: there in the field while he either retrieved the pistol 616 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 1: from his pocket or went back to his vehicle and 617 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: got it. And I think that's really the sad part 618 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: of all of this, is that she had really little 619 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: to no suspicion about him. We are standing by as 620 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 1: we wait for justice. We're trying to find out the 621 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: results of the autopsy report. We think we know the 622 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: co D cause of death and m O D manner 623 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: of death. Were we're waiting to find out is was 624 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 1: the baby viable? Because if the baby was viable, that 625 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: is a double homicide. We now had from Maryland to 626 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: Tennessee and the shocking and disturbing trial ongoing in the 627 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 1: murder of a beautiful young nursing student, Holly Bobo. I 628 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: remember when she went missing because she's related to a 629 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: country music star and I didn't even know about her 630 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: disappearance until the country music star contacted us and asked 631 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: us to cover her missing and we did, and we 632 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 1: started covering it at the beginning. It is now a 633 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,960 Speaker 1: murder trial. Joining me right now, Shane Deeter w A 634 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: T N in Tennessee. Dr Bethany Marshall still with me 635 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 1: and Lee Egan, investigative reporter with Crime online dot Com. Shane, 636 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: I didn't think the facts could get any worse than 637 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: the people out looking for are Jen saying, okay, I 638 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: don't if you don't even know what they're Jen saying, okay, 639 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: they're out of the force looking for Jen Sing and 640 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: they find her skull. They also found other items that 641 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 1: they said were very disturbing the trial. In my mind, 642 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: the facts, not the trial have just descended into pure hell. 643 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: And I hope the family is not hearing all these facts. 644 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: Shane Dieter w A T and give me the latest. 645 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: You know, Nancy uh in my twenty some years and 646 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: uh TV, I have never heard testimony like was come 647 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: out of this trial. And Justin Audrey was on the 648 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: stand testifying. I've never seen a witness defendant. He'll be 649 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: trial later. Just talked the way he talked in his testimony. 650 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: I mean, we had to bleed so much out of it. 651 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: And just the cavalier way. He talked about how Zach 652 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: Adams uh show Holly when they realized she was alive. Uh, 653 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: he and Zack did drugs together, and he was talking 654 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: about how they'd been up doing drugs when Zack came 655 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: by with Holly Bobo in the back of his pickup 656 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: truck and they went out by the Tennessee River to 657 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: dispose of the body. And he testified when Zack Adams 658 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,440 Speaker 1: ask him if he would help, it was just like 659 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: He's like sure, you know, just like you're gonna go 660 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: get dinner with somebody or something. I just I was 661 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: shocked listening to it. Uh, when I Autrey was on 662 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: the stand, it's never heard anything like it. So explain 663 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: to me his connection to the case. For people just 664 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 1: hearing the Holly Bobo story for the first time, Shane, 665 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 1: give me in a nutshell, what happened, Nancy. From what 666 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 1: I've seen and heard about this case, Autrey and Zack 667 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: Adams and then Zach's brother Dilling, Uh, they were friends. 668 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: And from what I've seen from this case is it 669 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: was a a drug related friendship, the math, Yes, Ma Math, 670 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: and they talked about morphine. They would make some type 671 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: of cocktails. So I want to go through the timeline. 672 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: What do we know happened that day? Shane Deeter the 673 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: day that Holly was kidnapped. It appears, Nancy, it was 674 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: just a normal day. A a daughter got up, had 675 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: breakfast with her mother and was going to go to 676 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: her nursing school classes. And it looked like it was 677 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: her routine that she had done, you know, for a while, 678 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: and she's in nursing school and she when she walked 679 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: out to her car, that's where she encountered zach A 680 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: Lee Egan joining me reporter with Crime Online. What do 681 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: we know about the day she went missing? I understand 682 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: that the brother who was still home, the mother was 683 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: at work, uh and the parents were gone. Holly usually 684 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: leaves that morning in the morning around seven to go 685 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: to nursing school. She packs your lunch, takes a little 686 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,359 Speaker 1: lunch pail, goes out to the car board to get 687 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: in the car. The brother hears a Ruckason goes out. 688 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: He sees, to my understanding, someone dressed in camouflage and 689 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: they're walking into the woods to see that would have 690 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: sparked my interest right there, while you're walking in the 691 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: woods when you're supposed to be going to school. But 692 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: he thought it was Holly Bobo's boyfriend. And it was 693 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: only later when a neighbor heard a scream called Holly's 694 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: mother at work, that the mother called the home and said, 695 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,279 Speaker 1: find Holly. He goes outside, he finds blood in the 696 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: garage and the mother says, call n one. He calls 697 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 1: one Leagan. What happens. Then that's when it becomes kind 698 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: of a mystery, because of course everybody's denying to hit 699 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: any involvement, except for the autry guy who's trying to 700 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: get a plea deal, trying to get out of life. 701 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: But um, from what I understand that they it was 702 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 1: that same day, or might have been the day after. 703 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: There was a man who was he noticed something wrong 704 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: in his on his property, like something was off, and 705 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: he walked out to a stream and he found a 706 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: lunch pill, and in court it was the same exact 707 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 1: lunch pill that Holly's mother was holding up. It matched, 708 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 1: So I guess they tossed. I believe that they tossed 709 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: all her stuff right there or after they killed or 710 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: maybe it went downstream, but yeah, she wasn't. She was 711 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 1: in trouble immediately. You know, what we have heard is 712 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: that these meth freaks kidnapped Polly. They rape her repeatedly 713 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 1: in video. The rape Shane Deeter w a t n as. 714 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't believe that that video has ever been recovered 715 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: or has it, Nancy, to my knowledge, it has not. Uh. 716 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,479 Speaker 1: Two other men were indicted, the indictment ended up being dropped, uh, 717 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: and their charges were tampering with evidence and it was 718 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: the tape. But to my knowledge it has never surfaced. Uh, 719 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: you know other than outside this circle of myth free 720 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: DJ Bethany Marshall please weigh in. I mean just the 721 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: fact that we know not they kidnapped the woman, uh 722 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: twenty one. I think you're all nursing Steed in her 723 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: whole life before her. They're doing this at seven in 724 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: the morning. You know, I haven't even had a second 725 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: cup of tea by then, and they're out planning a 726 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: kidnap at in the morning. And the psychopathy behind videoing 727 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: while you rape somebody, you know, Nancy. In preparation for 728 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: this show, I started looking up meth crimes. I just 729 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: started looking at the research and trying to figure out 730 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,800 Speaker 1: the mindset of the methodict. And I read a shocking 731 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: statistic that this property crimes are committed by people on 732 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: meth amset. I mean that that was one piece of research. 733 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: The other was some of the crimes I heard. I 734 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 1: read about a father of a seven month old put 735 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,719 Speaker 1: the seven month old into freezers so he could take 736 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: him out later for a snack. Um, a mother of 737 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: a four year old injecting for four year old repeatedly 738 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,240 Speaker 1: with methem fetamine. Uh. Twenty something year old going into 739 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: the bathroom of the dollar store masturbating, eating food that 740 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: he had stolen from the store. When the employees tried 741 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: to get him out, he ran into the store, grabbed 742 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 1: silly stream started uh, sprang it all over the store. 743 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: And so uh, these these crimes, these acts that these 744 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: meth freaks commit, are so strange. They're in a bizarre, 745 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 1: dark world. And one of the first crimes that we 746 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,239 Speaker 1: covered on when you had had a show on hl 747 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: Lynn was a man who was forgetting the name, but 748 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: he kidnapped um two kids, tied up the parents, bludgeon 749 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,120 Speaker 1: them to death. There was blood all over the home 750 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,440 Speaker 1: and and at that point I started researching meth, and 751 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,880 Speaker 1: I kept hearing the term overkill, that when meth addicts 752 00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 1: commit crimes where there's a homicide involved, there's always an 753 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,240 Speaker 1: overkill effect because they're so high and they're in such 754 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: an altered state that they literally kind of lose perspective 755 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,839 Speaker 1: on where they are. And I think that's really the 756 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: only explanatory principle behind this crime. But behind the fact 757 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,480 Speaker 1: that it was seven in the morning, uh, that they 758 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: raped and killed her so quickly, uh, and even the 759 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: fact that the mother, when Clint Bobo called the mother, 760 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: she said, get a pistol and go get them, as 761 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: if the mother had some growing cognizant of the danger 762 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,360 Speaker 1: around the house and what these methodics are capable of. 763 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,720 Speaker 1: We are on the case as the Holly Bogo trial 764 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,399 Speaker 1: goes on. Nancy Grace signing off Goodbye Fan