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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal sitting in for Dan Hands, our host
Speaker 2: out today surrounded in a room fill with heroes, Mark
Speaker 2: Sessler and Patrick claybaughn.
Speaker 3: What's up, guys, how are you today?
Speaker 4: I'm great.
Speaker 5: We actually we got to hang out with Jason zumwalt
Speaker 5: down by the sea and you as well. Patrick gumn
Speaker 5: On was that Thursday Friday.
Speaker 1: It was one of those eight We all literally.
Speaker 5: All fade into each other. But Zumwaltz moving to Connecticut
Speaker 5: at end of the month, I believe. But what a
Speaker 5: great hang. He's an enjoyable person to conversate with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the like the the joy that you get
Speaker 3: from the drops they come through in real life and
Speaker 3: it's like consistently delivering like hey man, like it's okay
Speaker 3: to no, Like he's on.
Speaker 1: He's awesome.
Speaker 2: He is more joyous ball of energy that are our fans,
Speaker 2: are our listeners. I should say that bought tickets for
Speaker 2: our live show back in LA and January got to enjoy.
Speaker 2: So we wish you know someone well, but he's not
Speaker 2: going anywhere. In terms of the listeners he's dropping, those
Speaker 2: don't still work.
Speaker 5: You could still do what he does voiceover acting skills
Speaker 5: from any location.
Speaker 2: The Zummie drops are staying strong, and this is a
Speaker 2: good job by our host Dan, who is out this show,
Speaker 2: but he'll be back on Thursday. We're back in the studio.
Speaker 2: We're feeling comfortable. You know that the beach was nice.
Speaker 2: The sound is pristine though in this studio, so there
Speaker 2: are positives and I feel at home here in the
Speaker 2: Chris Westling podcast studio. And Dan will be back on Thursday.
Speaker 2: We'll have a lot of mini camps, I guess. To
Speaker 2: wrap up, there's a handful of mini camps this week,
Speaker 2: and then the rest of them are next week. And
Speaker 2: then it goes from quiet to extraordinarily quiet. It really
Speaker 2: gets into Angel City season. Clayban wearing the sweatshirt of
Speaker 2: his his wife's employ Lay, the local soccer unit.
Speaker 1: Yeah we got a game against Chicago to night at
Speaker 1: Bemo Stadium. Okay, but yeah, just do you go to
Speaker 1: all the games.
Speaker 3: It's a tough go with the kids because they like
Speaker 3: to run in separate directions and they're faster now as
Speaker 3: well as stronger. And it becomes a problem. But yeah,
Speaker 3: we've gone to a couple it's been pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's a delightful fan atmosphere at that stadium. I would
Speaker 2: say I would agree. I know, I know I'm off
Speaker 2: topic here, but I would recommend soccer is happening in La.
Speaker 2: All right. We're doing a lot today. Actually, we're getting ambitious.
Speaker 2: We're trying something new and we're going to go through
Speaker 2: all thirty two teams and give you the spiciest player
Speaker 2: on every single team. And there can be no debate,
Speaker 2: There is no discussion. We are determining through scientific means,
Speaker 2: the spiciest player for all thirty two teams. Try to
Speaker 2: do like ninety second seeds. So we're giving a lot
Speaker 2: of work here to Eric back there, and Eric and
Speaker 2: Randy are going to pop in into the nineties. That's
Speaker 2: a plant.
Speaker 5: Wait to see what they come up with. But before
Speaker 5: we do that, let's do a little news.
Speaker 6: As a Western New York kid, it gives me a
Speaker 6: great deal of pride to be here today. I've been
Speaker 6: to a lot of groundbreaking ceremonies in my time at
Speaker 6: the NFL, but none of them are more meaningful than
Speaker 6: being here today.
Speaker 5: Is that Roger schedule a little emotional I've done. I've
Speaker 5: heard a little bit of, you know, emotion, hesitation in
Speaker 5: the voice there.
Speaker 2: He is. He is a Western New York guy. They
Speaker 2: got the stadium built or they got it approved, and
Speaker 2: it's getting built. It's all happening for the Bills. And
Speaker 2: we mentioned that not just because that'll be interesting when
Speaker 2: they actually have that thing done. I don't think they'll
Speaker 2: put a Super Bowl there, but it'll be fun to
Speaker 2: see it get done. The Bills are at the top
Speaker 2: of our news rundown today because they got a couple
Speaker 2: items of business done. I'm gonna mention them both and
Speaker 2: you can comment on whatever you want to. First, Ed
Speaker 2: Oliver got forty five million dollars guaranteed in a new contract.
Speaker 2: He was the top ten pick from what four years ago?
Speaker 2: Five years ago. They had said for a while they
Speaker 2: put a fifth year option on him. They wanted to
Speaker 2: keep them long term. They spoke with their paychecks a
Speaker 2: little bigger contract. I think that a lot of people expected,
Speaker 2: and then they backed up that deal with the new
Speaker 2: signing Monday morning, just as we were getting ready to tape,
Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd is joining the Buffalo Bills. Mark, what do
Speaker 2: you think.
Speaker 5: I love the signing. He has twenty nine sacks over
Speaker 5: the last three seasons. Floyd and von Miller, it sounds
Speaker 5: like von Miller will be ready for the opener. And
Speaker 5: I just go back to last year's opener and how
Speaker 5: disruptive they were. They basically blew up the season of
Speaker 5: the La Rams right out of the gate with what
Speaker 5: they could do with their pass rush. So that along
Speaker 5: with Oliver, who is only twenty five years old, I mean,
Speaker 5: this is a defense that does not have Leslie Fraser
Speaker 5: and it is going to be Sean McDermott calling the plays,
Speaker 5: so it's not going to change, but that transition, just
Speaker 5: like last year they had a new offensive coordinator. The
Speaker 5: Bills want, I think feel like they want to be
Speaker 5: as consistent as possible with their roster, with their approach,
Speaker 5: and that's one little area of transition.
Speaker 3: And an exceedingly consistent player who since twenty eighteen has
Speaker 3: literally played in every game available between the Rams in
Speaker 3: between Chicago and it gets reunited with Vaughn. I like
Speaker 3: to pick up and I love at Oliver getting paid
Speaker 3: because I always it's one of the things that always
Speaker 3: bugs me during draft season where a player questions a
Speaker 3: particular form of authority, and then somebody says, does this
Speaker 3: guy love football?
Speaker 1: And it's like, does is that the question? Or do
Speaker 1: you just not like the way he questions a particular
Speaker 1: aspect of authority? And this was what happened. I don't
Speaker 1: even remember it was there was this college coach and
Speaker 1: there was a taking plays off thing. Well, anyway, it
Speaker 1: looks like that's all been worked out at Oliver's a
Speaker 1: good football player and the Buffalo Bills are playing him,
Speaker 1: paying him, and so yes, win for the good guys.
Speaker 2: I think some contract I don't want to say dork
Speaker 2: be scause I'm one of them people that like to follow, okay,
Speaker 2: where do different players slot in? They find the financial
Speaker 2: aspect interesting, and we're a little surprised by the size
Speaker 2: of this deal. Oliver really finished strong in the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one season. I then Megan made one I think
Speaker 2: one of my making the leaps last year and really
Speaker 2: thought he'd even take the next step. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: that quite happened. He was injured at the beginning of
Speaker 2: the year. He was He's been good. He's been a
Speaker 2: really good player. He hasn't racked up huge sack totals
Speaker 2: or anything like that. His PFF grades are always like good,
Speaker 2: not amazing, but good, but a pass rusher, And so
Speaker 2: I think this is a smart deal. Actually, I push
Speaker 2: back against those contract nerds because I think it was
Speaker 2: one where you know the players so well and it
Speaker 2: is a little more risk, I think than most contracts
Speaker 2: that you give to like a fourth year player, but
Speaker 2: they know him so well, and if you actually look
Speaker 2: at the money, it really only slots in once you
Speaker 2: count that fifth year option as like a top fifteen
Speaker 2: defensive tackle. And I think all these contracts are about
Speaker 2: to explode. And I've been saying that for a few years,
Speaker 2: but now the new TV money is truly about to
Speaker 2: come in, and I think this is one where it's like,
Speaker 2: we believe in you, at Oliver. We're gonna give you
Speaker 2: some money you could hold, you know, and wait another
Speaker 2: year and maybe make even more. Because I was thinking,
Speaker 2: if I was doing the top free agents, you can
Speaker 2: say at Oliver's only been so good as a pro,
Speaker 2: Like if I had done the top free agents this year,
Speaker 2: at Oliver would have been in the top fifteen. I mean,
Speaker 2: he would have been making a ton of money as
Speaker 2: a free agent.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an absolutely core position in the McDermott defense.
Speaker 5: And I look at these deals and you know, I'm
Speaker 5: not as contract nerd oriented as some I would say,
Speaker 5: but like two or three years from now, it's fine.
Speaker 2: It'll look better. I mean, it'll look good. And I
Speaker 2: think they like they know him, and they like him,
Speaker 2: so I think they see things too that maybe I
Speaker 2: don't see in the PFF model zones. And when he
Speaker 2: beats guys, he beats him bad. And they signed a
Speaker 2: couple of players this offseason people think, like Puna Ford
Speaker 2: that maybe like, okay, he's not like the best run
Speaker 2: defender in the world, but let's just open him up
Speaker 2: to do everything he does as well as possible, which
Speaker 2: is which is rust the pass.
Speaker 3: And there's an extent where if you're the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 3: you're not necessarily needing at Oliver to.
Speaker 1: Be a run stopping defensive tackle, like you're gonna want
Speaker 1: to score points, You're gonna want to get after the quarterback.
Speaker 1: And that's the tough thing about modeling all of the
Speaker 1: numbers and the grades is what is the particular coaching
Speaker 1: staff asking this player to do on this play, And
Speaker 1: so that.
Speaker 2: That's a good points.
Speaker 3: They are like the people who do these things are
Speaker 3: the best in the world at what they do, but
Speaker 3: they don't necessarily have all the context.
Speaker 1: All the time.
Speaker 2: That's why we call them Patrick on his week off.
Speaker 2: We apologize that for you do.
Speaker 1: Look, this is fun.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, you know, we got an open spot.
Speaker 2: Like who do we call? You call Colleen it or Patrick?
Speaker 2: It's one of the two, go too. That's really the
Speaker 2: way to make the show, saying and Leonard Floyd quickly,
Speaker 2: these are one of the signings that like don't get
Speaker 2: much attention to post June signings or May signings, and
Speaker 2: like he's going to end up having some huge game
Speaker 2: in a big spot and he's going to play better
Speaker 2: than I would say seventy percent of the defensive linemen
Speaker 2: that we're taking in the first round of the NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: We spent so much time and those guys. But I
Speaker 2: mean this year, like he'll be good. He'll be like
Speaker 2: justin Houston for the Ravens. I actually did some homework,
Speaker 2: some source work on Leonard Floyd right after he got
Speaker 2: cut because I was like, man, I thought Leonard Floyd
Speaker 2: played well. Asked some rams people like like what do
Speaker 2: you think of Leonard Floyd Like, and they were just like, look,
Speaker 2: he's still like a league average or even better starter.
Speaker 2: He's just like, we can't afford him the way that
Speaker 2: his contract was struck, and like, if we can get
Speaker 2: him back this offseason, we would love to. And I
Speaker 2: don't think he really wanted to do that. I think
Speaker 2: if he was gonna take less money, he wanted to
Speaker 2: New So to.
Speaker 5: Your point, Patrick, he's not missed a game. He's a
Speaker 5: terrible Yeah, and he was six.
Speaker 2: He was like the third best player at our defense
Speaker 2: was the response I got.
Speaker 5: So and when they lost Von Miller, that defense suffered.
Speaker 5: And so it's like just what you want as many
Speaker 5: a dressers as you can possibly get.
Speaker 3: Hit the quarterback twenty two times last year was most
Speaker 3: of his entire career.
Speaker 2: So the Dalvin Cook situation has been hanging out there
Speaker 2: this offseason. I thought the most interesting part of Dalvin
Speaker 2: Cook's JNE this offseason, in terms of his news journey,
Speaker 2: his Rotal World Player blurb journey, was when the Minnesota
Speaker 2: Vikings one day took him down as part of the
Speaker 2: background of their Twitter profile where they have like three players,
Speaker 2: and I think it's I will check now, but I
Speaker 2: think it's like Jefferson Cousins in Madison, which is kind
Speaker 2: of random, and it was Dalvin Cook and now it's
Speaker 2: in Madison. I was like, Oh, that's something. But he's
Speaker 2: still on the team and there's still this open question
Speaker 2: whether he's going to be on the team. But there
Speaker 2: were multiple little reports out there over the weekend that
Speaker 2: I thought would be worth hitty on. One was from
Speaker 2: Jeremy Fowler ESPN that thought the Dolphins would be the
Speaker 2: most likely team to trade for Cook. And then another one,
Speaker 2: which was from the Miami Herald Berry Jackson, who said
Speaker 2: that the Cook to the Dolphins would be a quote
Speaker 2: real possibility, but they they thought maybe if he got
Speaker 2: released that they would wait to see if he'd get
Speaker 2: really so either way, a lot of Dolphins Cook talk,
Speaker 2: Patrick Labo, what do you think?
Speaker 1: And it makes sense.
Speaker 3: But looking back to the way we felt about Mike
Speaker 3: McDaniels in year one, it's like, Oh, this is gonna
Speaker 3: be Shanahan East and they're gonna run the ball and
Speaker 3: most of the most of the action was was balls
Speaker 3: to to Jalen and Tyreek, right, And I don't know
Speaker 3: that our vision of what the Dolphins are is a
Speaker 3: representation of who the running backs were last year, Like,
Speaker 3: does Dalvin necessarily change that?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not sure it does.
Speaker 3: Like from a fantasy perspective, I would I wouldn't know
Speaker 3: how to feel about it. I just know Dalvin's still
Speaker 3: a really good player. He had health issues, news flashed
Speaker 3: like this is football, like everybody on any even play
Speaker 3: is going to have some problems. But I think it
Speaker 3: makes sense. But I don't necessarily know how much sense
Speaker 3: it makes. If that makes.
Speaker 5: Sense, Yeah, it struck me as a little bit of
Speaker 5: an odd landing spot. They've got Raheem Mostert, they've got
Speaker 5: Jeff Wilson, Miles Gaskin. I mean, I guess the one
Speaker 5: thing I do think that would be similar to Shanahan's approach,
Speaker 5: even though last year, You're right, they run, the run
Speaker 5: was not their strength Necessarily that the Niners have no
Speaker 5: problem using like five different running backs and so I
Speaker 5: could see this, Yeah, well no, but the Niners do.
Speaker 5: So I'm saying that the Mike McDaniel and Miami might
Speaker 5: have the same yes, right, yeah, so far. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: I just I don't hate the pairing. You know, cook
Speaker 5: Is also spends his off season in South Florida. He's
Speaker 5: he's down there. Maybe that appeals to him.
Speaker 4: On some level.
Speaker 2: We'll see. I think he's not gonna be a Viking.
Speaker 2: Half the NFL is in South Florida.
Speaker 5: I just don't think he's It feels like he's he's
Speaker 5: out in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Don't you think it feels like it's over.
Speaker 2: It's weird though he's not on the roster. But that's
Speaker 2: why we found great point Mark. It's how we found
Speaker 2: about Zadaria Smith for a while, and he truly was
Speaker 2: off the roster eventually.
Speaker 3: Now he's after through the going away party for.
Speaker 2: Himself, right, So maybe the Viking they're trying to wait out,
Speaker 2: just getting like a late pick. His cap numbers fourteen
Speaker 2: million dollars. They are super close to the cap in
Speaker 2: terms of, like if they need any extra money to
Speaker 2: just you know, sign some people here or there. He's
Speaker 2: doue ten point four. But he's a little different than
Speaker 2: most of these other running backs we talk about because
Speaker 2: like he still looks good to me, like and I
Speaker 2: know he had a little injury and maybe last year
Speaker 2: he wasn't like as good. But I feel like there's
Speaker 2: a fifty to fifty chance you're gonna get another peak
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook season or two. He averaged four point four
Speaker 2: yards per carry seven point six yards per catch last year.
Speaker 2: He had a number of explosive plays, Like I don't
Speaker 2: think he's running to the end of his career. And
Speaker 2: he played seventeen games. It's not like he didn't play.
Speaker 3: He played, and there's there's just so much extra value
Speaker 3: in a running back that you don't have to take
Speaker 3: off the field. They can do somebody, and I know
Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel values that. Now I'm talking myself into maybe
Speaker 3: it making more, but it's I'll just it's gonna be
Speaker 3: hard to see Dalvin.
Speaker 1: Somewhere else in my mind, but I know that based
Speaker 1: on the way that the Vikings are moving, it feels really.
Speaker 4: But jarring Jersey switch for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've loved Cook as a pro, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's there's not many players on defense I trust for
Speaker 2: the Viking. So it's like, is it such a bad
Speaker 2: idea if you're trying to win football games? Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three to just keep Madison and Cook another
Speaker 2: year because he's the most explosive player outside of Jefferson.
Speaker 2: I guess they have a lot of explosive players. They
Speaker 2: got Addison now too. I like Osbourne, but it's like,
Speaker 2: why not have more?
Speaker 3: If it's not, then show me what you're spending the
Speaker 3: fourteen million dollars on. Don't go twenty twenty two cowboys
Speaker 3: and save the money. And then it's just like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's money, and it's like.
Speaker 4: Oh, it will be nice to have iving in Florida.
Speaker 2: It could be some like long term deals. It could
Speaker 2: be justin Jefferson, So it could it. If that's the case,
Speaker 2: then yeah, it might. It might make some sense. But
Speaker 2: I don't know who their backup would be in that situation.
Speaker 2: By the way, it's ty Chandler. There's a fifth round
Speaker 2: pick a year ago, Dwayne McBride in Kenny Nwango, who
Speaker 2: I'm not not familiar with you like an injury away from.
Speaker 3: Nowango is the kick returning specialist who's it's one of
Speaker 3: the more explosive players you'll ever see.
Speaker 2: Not gonna play much running back, you always get to
Speaker 2: see j Hamm a carrier two. That's fun. All right,
Speaker 2: Let's finish with just like a what if scenario that
Speaker 2: we've We've heard about this before, but it was a
Speaker 2: little more confirmed from Greg Bishop, who's a reporter I
Speaker 2: really trust in respect, always really good and he always
Speaker 2: knows the Seattle scene especially, and he mentioned in an
Speaker 2: article how Russell Wilson to the Eagles was maybe even
Speaker 2: closer than we thought, that it was more Russell Wilson's
Speaker 2: side that was not big on it. He made it
Speaker 2: sound like Russell Wilson all but turned down a potential
Speaker 2: Eagles trade. So the Eagles and Howie Roseman, who's in
Speaker 2: number one on my GM list and all this stuff
Speaker 2: like it very well could have been Russell Wilson to
Speaker 2: Alan Robinson last year instead of Jalen Hurts to AJ Brown.
Speaker 2: So sometimes you just you gotta get a little bit
Speaker 2: of luck here too, because I do not I know
Speaker 2: the coaching would have helped them play better than Alan
Speaker 2: Robinson to Russell Wilson sounds like, but they would not
Speaker 2: have been in the super Bowl one possession away from
Speaker 2: what I love that for the Eagles.
Speaker 5: I mean to me, I think probably Jalen Hurts had
Speaker 5: something to do with it. You're in a competition if
Speaker 5: you go to Philadelphia versus the fact that in Denver
Speaker 5: there was nothing but a clear avenue to start, the commanders.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have been there with a contract. I mean, hurt
Speaker 2: This is where I do wonder about it.
Speaker 5: Ay, maybe they you know, because Hurts was on this
Speaker 5: like constant audition for his job until he suddenly they
Speaker 5: get aj Brown and we see one year later we
Speaker 5: think completely different about him. He's an MVP level quarterback. Like,
Speaker 5: you're right, the fates what swung in Philadelphia's favor there
Speaker 5: because everything we saw from Russell Wilson tells me that
Speaker 5: the Eagles would have been in a very dark place
Speaker 5: had that gone down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And hindsight, looking back on it, it's like, oh
Speaker 3: it was it was always going to be Jalen. But
Speaker 3: there was a significant portion of last year and I
Speaker 3: don't know what Howie and the folks in Philly were thinking,
Speaker 3: but there was a discussion like, well, you know, the
Speaker 3: Eagles are so good, you know you're gonna put Gardner
Speaker 3: Minshew in and the offense is gonna and then it happened.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, this is right.
Speaker 2: So like a lot of it does, there are these
Speaker 2: moments and actually justin Jefferson going to the Eagles instead
Speaker 2: of Jalen Rager is another one. I think about often,
Speaker 2: and that would have been a totally different what if that,
Speaker 2: So that that one didn't work out well for them either,
Speaker 2: this one worked out great. And this actually is backing
Speaker 2: up what our guy Ian rapport said last offseason. I
Speaker 2: think it kind of fell under the raider where he thought, uh,
Speaker 2: he was pretty convinced Wilson would land with the Eagles,
Speaker 2: but Wilson wouldn't budge on his preference. That Denver was
Speaker 2: always his number one choice, and he really was trying
Speaker 2: to get to Denver.
Speaker 1: I feel like the money probably has a bit of
Speaker 1: a factor as.
Speaker 2: Well, right Rightsion would have Philly given him all that
Speaker 2: money that Denver did. I don't know, but I'm much
Speaker 2: more excited to watch the Eagles, I mean, and I
Speaker 2: would have been with that commentation. All right, that's it
Speaker 2: for news, and I'm excited to start what's gonna be,
Speaker 2: you know, a regular segment. I'm just gonna call it now,
Speaker 2: we're bringing this back.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Okay, well you check and see how
Speaker 4: it goes.
Speaker 1: First regular June segments. Let's get it.
Speaker 2: They we didn't really agree on what spiciest player meant,
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk the spiciest players on each team,
Speaker 2: and I said spicy. I left that to interpretation personally.
Speaker 2: I interpreted the word different depending on the situation. I
Speaker 2: think there's I think the word spicy is flexible, and
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons why I like.
Speaker 5: I One thing that I did, though, because you could
Speaker 5: argue that you could have eighty percent quarterback talk here
Speaker 5: if we wanted. I tried to veer away from like
Speaker 5: the obvious stark through back person to find something else
Speaker 5: that I feel is sort of an X factor, tipping
Speaker 5: point type player for various teams.
Speaker 2: I feel similar. But sometimes it's just some people give
Speaker 2: off a spicy vibe. Sometimes Star Coars I may have
Speaker 2: one in there.
Speaker 4: I just feel it. It's hard to explain. I'll know
Speaker 4: when it's happened.
Speaker 2: I'll let my players speak for themselves, and I'll I'll
Speaker 2: say that they know someone is a little feisty, a
Speaker 2: little spicy, little gives you a little extra Okay, likes spicy.
Speaker 2: It's like spicy. It's like you see that player a
Speaker 2: little bit and it's almost like the spicy aftertaste of
Speaker 2: something that's sneaky spicy, where thirty seconds later you're like, Wow,
Speaker 2: there's a little more to that player.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm feeling them fully expected.
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go through all thirty two teams.
Speaker 2: Always dangerous when we do this, so we are going
Speaker 2: to put a clock on it. Eric, give us a
Speaker 2: whistle after ninety seconds. We don't need a warning. We're
Speaker 2: not going to talk the ninety seconds, you know, just
Speaker 2: one person or anything, but do give us a whistle
Speaker 2: after ninety seconds. You got it, and then we'll we'll
Speaker 2: move on. We're going to start in the AFC North
Speaker 2: with Mark Let's go uh the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 4: I have identified my spicy players, JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 5: I know that with Monkin there's gonna be and we're
Speaker 5: hearing Lamar Jackson tell people I'm gonna throw for six
Speaker 5: thousand yards.
Speaker 4: No, you're not.
Speaker 5: I do like the weapons there in a much better way.
Speaker 5: But we have Dobbins. That's still gonna be a Baltimore
Speaker 5: Ravens team that's gonna need to run the ball here
Speaker 5: and there. And he's another year removed from a pretty
Speaker 5: complex ACL surgery. I think last year I went I'd
Speaker 5: like this assigning because I went and watched a little
Speaker 5: bit of him, and there are still plays where you
Speaker 5: see the power in the explosion.
Speaker 4: I think his speed was a little.
Speaker 5: Bit off, but this is a guy that was a
Speaker 5: ninety ninth percentile in his forty yard dash and ninety
Speaker 5: six percentile speed score before he was drafted.
Speaker 4: He has a career five point nine yards per carry.
Speaker 4: And this was a dominant college player who's shown it
Speaker 4: and flashes. And if you get the best version of Dobbins,
Speaker 4: it only makes that offense that is gonna be more balanced,
Speaker 4: that much more of a threat.
Speaker 2: I mean, checking out tape. That's Spicy Mark's outfits lately. Spicy.
Speaker 2: I love it because I think about our guy Spice Rack,
Speaker 2: who loved JK. Domins. They just put that together. And
Speaker 2: he always compared him to Emmett Smith in that he
Speaker 2: thinks his feel and his vision of like getting seven
Speaker 2: yards when there's maybe only three to get is elite.
Speaker 1: And is that that's Spicy And there were clearly moments
Speaker 1: where you could see the speed the power of the burst,
Speaker 1: and you also at the same time saw that he
Speaker 1: was clearly playing on one.
Speaker 2: Leg right and it's like he's.
Speaker 3: Doing this less than a year or move from surgery.
Speaker 3: That was an extensive surgery, as you said, against professionals
Speaker 3: and still having success. I'm with you on the spicy
Speaker 3: and put it up.
Speaker 4: All right right on time too.
Speaker 2: Let's go Bengals. So this I had a few good options,
Speaker 2: but the Mike Hilton is my spicy player, and this
Speaker 2: is an interpretation of spicy where I just think he
Speaker 2: plays spicy, he mixes it up. But I also wanted
Speaker 2: to mention because I think he's a good example of
Speaker 2: what makes the Bengals great. They're really good at taking
Speaker 2: veterans from other team that were good on other teams
Speaker 2: and actually knowing how to use them too, and I
Speaker 2: think that's an underrated quality. I think they're a spicy
Speaker 2: defense because they can change who they are depending on
Speaker 2: the week. Some weeks will be big Mike Hilton weeks
Speaker 2: where they have him blitzing, they have him mixing it up.
Speaker 2: He's not as good in coverage, but they know how
Speaker 2: to hide him. Some weeks it's not as big a
Speaker 2: Mike Hilton week, and so to me, that's sort of
Speaker 2: a great example of what makes the Bengals great. But
Speaker 2: I think they've brought together a lot of spicy players,
Speaker 2: a lot of veterans who play hard, and Mike Helton
Speaker 2: to me is like a great Bengal.
Speaker 5: Mike Hilton was a West favorite two and I think
Speaker 5: it's it's good scouting inside your own division because he
Speaker 5: was an underrated Steeler and you pull him away from
Speaker 5: your rival. And then with lou Anarumu, I think what
Speaker 5: he does on a week two week basis the way
Speaker 5: he creates matchups. Since your point uses players differently in
Speaker 5: different matchups, it's a perfect landing spot for Mike Hilton.
Speaker 3: At some points in the game, especially in the postseason,
Speaker 3: Mike Hilton transforms into a five to nine and eighty
Speaker 3: five pound edge rusher right and is incredible at it,
Speaker 3: and it's like, what is what is this guy doing?
Speaker 1: How does it work?
Speaker 2: That's why he's see. If I was a player, I
Speaker 2: would want to be like a Mike Hillton, spicy, feisty player.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get Walker to get on board with this.
Speaker 2: He likes playing football on the beach, but I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get him a little more. The one time that
Speaker 2: I knowoy to Walker at Colleens Gonzo's house, he was
Speaker 2: calling himself a cornerback and didn't So you right there, spicy.
Speaker 1: All Right, you got the Browns, I got the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: and okay, so my context for spicy it was like,
Speaker 1: what's what's a spicy take that I have about the player.
Speaker 3: Maybe has a reason to be a little spicy about
Speaker 3: his circumstances, and it's Elijah Moore. Elijah Moore celebrates a
Speaker 3: touchdown at Ole Miss. The whole world implodes, like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's pretending to be a dog. This
Speaker 1: is the worst thing that ever happened. He's a bad person.
Speaker 3: Then he goes to the Jets, where he's essentially doing
Speaker 3: cardio for a quarterback room that doesn't necessarily work. The
Speaker 3: coaches don't and now he's out, and now he's in Cleveland.
Speaker 3: And this is a guy who's twenty three years old,
Speaker 3: who has plenty of talent. I think he can make
Speaker 3: it happen. I don't know what. The quarterback situation almost
Speaker 3: went with Nick Chubb because they were a team that
Speaker 3: was good and they make the quarterback change and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden they're not good as good as they were.
Speaker 3: And Nick Chubb deserves a team he's been so good
Speaker 3: for so long. But Elijah Moore is spicy to me
Speaker 3: because I think in terms of where he's being drafted
Speaker 3: right now, I know ADP fantasy wise is it's June.
Speaker 3: It's early June. But I think he's going to outperform
Speaker 3: that significantly.
Speaker 5: We're just a couple of years removed from a summertime
Speaker 5: full of Elijah Moore hype and how dominant he was.
Speaker 5: I think I like the situation in Cleveland because they
Speaker 5: really needed wide outs. He's got a chance to be
Speaker 5: a big contributor, especially if they get better quarterback play.
Speaker 5: I still think Cleveland is a potential landing spot for
Speaker 5: DeAndre Hopkins. They've been whispered about here and there. That
Speaker 5: would change things a little bit more. I think I
Speaker 5: can't wait to see what he does.
Speaker 2: He would compliment him. His routes are spicy. I went
Speaker 2: and watched those routes as a rookie, and I was,
Speaker 2: I think one of the people leading the hype last
Speaker 2: offseason thinking he was gonna be great because he just
Speaker 2: makes dudes look bad. He fits well in today's NFL.
Speaker 2: All right, Mark Steelers, all right?
Speaker 5: I had there were a lot of ways I could
Speaker 5: go here, and this maybe feels a little more obvious,
Speaker 5: but George Pickens because again, it was just like watching
Speaker 5: some of his incredible contested catches and he had the
Speaker 5: one catch against the Browns. I believe it was Thursday
Speaker 5: Night football, whereas just essentially spinning around and catching it
Speaker 5: behind his back. I mean, there are things happening that
Speaker 5: normal human beings will never accomplish physically, but they're happening
Speaker 5: with him. He's a massive like asset for Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 5: And if you look at this offense, Najie Harris, Pickett, Pickens,
Speaker 5: Jalen Warren, Frett, Pat Fryarmouth, Darnell Washington, Deontay Johnson, Alan
Speaker 5: Robinson will see. But the rebuilt offensive line, there aren't
Speaker 5: a lot of excuses for the Steelers as a group.
Speaker 5: We saw down the stretch last year to make a
Speaker 5: big step up, and I think that Pickens is this
Speaker 5: complete game changing element in that offense.
Speaker 2: Those I mean, he gets the highlight plays, but he's
Speaker 2: pretty good at the regular just slant routes too. I
Speaker 2: know he doesn't do well in an exercise like Matt Harmon,
Speaker 2: our friend does the reception perception and he's maybe not
Speaker 2: totally complete receiver yet, and so Pickens doesn't score that
Speaker 2: highly in that. But that reminds me a little bit
Speaker 2: of DK Metcalf in that you can get better at
Speaker 2: those other things, but you have the one thing that's
Speaker 2: already dominant. Lean into that.
Speaker 1: That's that's spicy, and you can The spice comes out
Speaker 1: to me in just how twitchy he is as a
Speaker 1: mover where he has these he has these highlight pancake
Speaker 1: blocks almost every other week, like every third week, there's
Speaker 1: a corner.
Speaker 3: That's lined up and George Pickens just puts them almost dirt,
Speaker 3: and it's like, Where's where's this coming from. He's a
Speaker 3: very explosive guy, and I think just like a lot
Speaker 3: of you know, the spices that the Caps say.
Speaker 2: I've said the Steelers are going to the playoffs, right,
Speaker 2: you have you need a little something to juice a
Speaker 2: U picket who doesn't seem this spicy. I got the Texans,
Speaker 2: you know. I thought about Stroud and I was kind
Speaker 2: of avoiding quarterbacks too, because Stroud makes better throws than
Speaker 2: people give him credit for. But I'm gonna go Jalen
Speaker 2: Petrie because does I look at this exercise a way
Speaker 2: to talk about someone Maybe we haven't hit on on
Speaker 2: this show much, but seems like he's going to be
Speaker 2: a guy we are hitting on more in the coming
Speaker 2: years because he was one of the best defensive rookies
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Last year, he was second among tackles.
Speaker 2: He missed a lot of tackles too. Likes he's the
Speaker 2: type of guy who's trying to make big plays, and
Speaker 2: he made a lot of big plays. I think of
Speaker 2: that Chiefs game where they were kind of close against
Speaker 2: Mahomes and he gave a lot of trouble. He forces turnovers,
Speaker 2: he intercepts the ball. He's just everywhere, and they love him.
Speaker 2: He can do a little bit of everything. You can
Speaker 2: play him near the line of scrimmage, but he's not
Speaker 2: gonna kill you in coverage any hits. He seems like
Speaker 2: he's one of the few players who's figured out how
Speaker 2: to hit in today's NFL. Maybe because he's come up
Speaker 2: that way, I don't know, and the rules have been different,
Speaker 2: but he hits consistently, and he hits hard, and Texans
Speaker 2: fans like on Twitter love them some. Jalen peetrees a
Speaker 2: shout out to them.
Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of players who maybe should
Speaker 3: be spicy. Are the players who are on the Texans
Speaker 3: they weren't necessarily putting this this effort as they are
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three because looking at like Peach, like
Speaker 3: the bones that are there. Yeah, and now Dimiko comes in,
Speaker 3: there's something to believe in, whereas like in Petree's a
Speaker 3: huge part of that.
Speaker 2: Whereas it's thing we just didn't see it as much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what's the commitment, But now you can see it.
Speaker 2: It's what's gonna happen if if I hon too long.
Speaker 2: So it works, we move on. Patrick, you got the cults.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will take the Indianapolis Colts, and I will
Speaker 3: take a quarterback. And it's not the quarterback you think,
Speaker 3: because this Gardner Minshew gonna play like it is. There's
Speaker 3: there's so many schools of thought regarding like, oh, if
Speaker 3: the quarterback doesn't have a lot of success instantly, then
Speaker 3: his mind's not gonna work anymore, and he's not gonna
Speaker 3: be a good football player anymore. Like if to me,
Speaker 3: like I think, if you're that mentally fragile, like maybe
Speaker 3: you weren't going to be successful in the first place.
Speaker 3: But Gardner Minshew can captivate a pop like we've seen that.
Speaker 3: And so if things come in.
Speaker 2: And activated this guy tobout.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they take the route, if they if they
Speaker 3: believe in the idea that, uh, you know, we don't
Speaker 3: want to ruin Richardson. The Gardener Minche is gonna end
Speaker 3: up playing, and I think I think that's spicy.
Speaker 5: Well, I also think he is if you were to
Speaker 5: rank back up quarterbacks, Minshew is a fringe starter, So
Speaker 5: I think that's it's a it's a great thing to
Speaker 5: have him behind Richardson. If there is some lag in
Speaker 5: his progress, I trust Shane Steichen, who you know, they
Speaker 5: didn't rush Jalen Hurts into the lineup. They took their
Speaker 5: time there. There's some blueprint on what you do. I
Speaker 5: also I do though, when you someone like Anthony Richardson,
Speaker 5: if he's sort of lighting people up in the preseason.
Speaker 5: It's even though Gardner Minshew is a really likable, enjoyable player, like,
Speaker 5: it's a little tough. It's a tough spot because the crowd,
Speaker 5: the first line of trouble is going to be going
Speaker 5: nuts for the idea that you've got this rookie who
Speaker 5: can do superhuman things on the field. It won't be
Speaker 5: long before he plays.
Speaker 2: I feel like Minshew's I don't think he's underrated. But
Speaker 2: he's not overrated. I think because his teams has lost
Speaker 2: so much. You know, when he was in Jacksonville. You
Speaker 2: ignore the seven point one yards per attempt for his career,
Speaker 2: forty four touchdowns, fifteen intersect Like, he's a good player,
Speaker 2: he could be really good with that coaching. I'm with you, Mark,
Speaker 2: you are up with the Jags.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: So this is where I swerved away from Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about him all summer. But I think that
Speaker 5: this is a team that didn't do a whole lot
Speaker 5: this offseason because they spent so much last offseason to
Speaker 5: formulate and Doug Peterson offense. But I do love with
Speaker 5: the trade they pulled off in the middle of last
Speaker 5: season for Calvin Ridley, who I think we forget about
Speaker 5: the fact is like we haven't seen him in so long.
Speaker 5: This is a phenomenal wide receiver who you go back
Speaker 5: to twenty twenty, he had thirteen hundred yards, ninety catches,
Speaker 5: and nine touchdowns and discovered mid season that he had
Speaker 5: been playing on a broken foot.
Speaker 4: So now when the foot is not broken, what's happening?
Speaker 5: And I mean it's like kind of just like you
Speaker 5: didn't have the most game changing draft on the planet.
Speaker 5: You were quiet in free agency, but this is in
Speaker 5: the legitimate option that changes your ass game and helps
Speaker 5: fast forward the progress of Trevor Lawrence, who was incredible
Speaker 5: down the stretch.
Speaker 2: That's a great point. Mark. I love that too, because
Speaker 2: if you think about Doug Peterson, he seems like he's
Speaker 2: a good coach for receivers. Like they got a lot
Speaker 2: out of Zay Jones, they got a lot out of
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk, they got a lot out of the receivers
Speaker 2: when they were in Philadelphia, guys who struggled elsewhere, Like
Speaker 2: they should be able to get a lot out of Ridley.
Speaker 3: And I think he comes into a room that knows
Speaker 3: where their strengths are and he can only be a plus.
Speaker 3: And like the numbers are necessary. They're going to change
Speaker 3: for Zay, They're going to change for Christian. But Calvin
Speaker 3: Ridley gives you an option and they're like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, they're His suspension was not spicy though, game gambling
Speaker 2: on in sports not not spicy.
Speaker 1: But spicy.
Speaker 3: Go Reda's player's tribute an article. It goes into context
Speaker 3: on his decisions on his foot injury. It's it's really
Speaker 3: good introspective as well.
Speaker 5: I like Gregork that you put the AFC South up early,
Speaker 5: because they're always last in these extras.
Speaker 2: There was a reason behind that, but yes, we we
Speaker 2: went in a different order, going north, south west east.
Speaker 2: It's never happened before in a podcast situation Tennessee. I
Speaker 2: think of our great friend Justin Graver, who's not doing
Speaker 2: a great job over at at Fox, and I remember
Speaker 2: he liked it when I said, you gotta build the
Speaker 2: whole plane out of Chigoconko. I mean Chigoconquo. There. Tight
Speaker 2: End defines spice to me. He is the spicy guy.
Speaker 2: He's made for spice. He's running over guys in the
Speaker 2: open field. He's big, he's nasty, he looks strong. He's
Speaker 2: who Mike Faber won. He's like you go to Korea
Speaker 2: Town and you're like, should I get the medium or
Speaker 2: should I get the spicy? And you have to adjust
Speaker 2: a little because Koreatown's spicy is a little spicier even
Speaker 2: than your regular Caucasian establishment spicy. I'm not adjusting for
Speaker 2: spice when it's chigo Quonco. I'm cranking up the spice.
Speaker 5: And you do need to build the whole plane out
Speaker 5: of him, Greg because like their their third wide receiver
Speaker 5: right now is a fifth round pick, Kyle Phillips. It's like, right,
Speaker 5: they are very lighted wide out. He had these moments
Speaker 5: last year where he made them so watchable.
Speaker 2: I mean, just I see it. You can kind of
Speaker 2: like Hittle a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean like in tight ends, we know they
Speaker 5: take like a year or two to kind of formulate,
Speaker 5: and like you can already see these flash moments with.
Speaker 3: Him, and that's a really great call because you're thinking
Speaker 3: about like twenty eighteen George Kittle where he was running
Speaker 3: over everybody, and then that's what like on not as
Speaker 3: good of a team Chigo Kwonko was doing towards the
Speaker 3: end of the season. It's just the Titans were kind
Speaker 3: of falling apart. Like what happens if the team gets
Speaker 3: it together, it's like it's gonna be all Chig all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 2: Baby, I'll be disappointed if he has the career out
Speaker 2: of Johnny Smith, who I once similarly loved and was
Speaker 2: in a similar.
Speaker 3: Spot the team.
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Speaker 2: are going to the team that Russell Wilson did land
Speaker 2: with the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: Patrick, it's Russell Wilson.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, because things just so bad and it's
Speaker 3: it can never be just on one person when things
Speaker 3: are that bad. It took a cavalcade of errors and
Speaker 3: and just bad football, bad planning, bad implementation. And I
Speaker 3: think the outcomes, clearly the outcomes are going to be better.
Speaker 3: They got better towards the end of the season. But
Speaker 3: I think if you're gonna believe in a player and
Speaker 3: have that belief be spicy. Considering the conversation last year
Speaker 3: that the spiciest player to believe in on the Denver
Speaker 3: Broncos as Russell.
Speaker 5: Wills, Well, everything pivots around what happens there. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's like it wasn't an Urban Meyer situation, but they
Speaker 5: just seemed like massively disorganized from a coaching staff perspective.
Speaker 5: There was, you know, reports that Wilson was out there
Speaker 5: sort of calling Seahawks types plays, he didn't know the playbook,
Speaker 5: he was sort of lost on the field.
Speaker 2: Right, He might have been the Urban Meyer is Yeah,
Speaker 2: I bet.
Speaker 4: Sean Payton though is not good. He wasn't a disorganized.
Speaker 2: Ship, so right, he wasn't as unlikable, uh, spicy. It's
Speaker 2: an interesting because you think him you don't think Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's almost like remember when normcore was a thing. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you remember that. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's still happening. We're just wearing like really basic clothes
Speaker 2: like Dad Court, almost like wearing the most basic clothes
Speaker 2: possible with suddenly.
Speaker 4: Men's fashion in general basics.
Speaker 2: Right, So Russell Wilson is almost so vanilla boring that
Speaker 2: he that can't be. He's a fun he was a
Speaker 2: fun player in the past, and he's got good players
Speaker 2: and he's got a great coach, so that's totally fair
Speaker 2: that he could be an entertaining player.
Speaker 5: I could also see him potentially benched by week six
Speaker 5: or seven for Jared Stidham if he is the guy
Speaker 5: from one.
Speaker 2: Last season, see my fear. In my expectations, he'll be
Speaker 2: sort of in the middle. He'll just be like the
Speaker 2: thirteenth best quarterback in the league and won't be that bad.
Speaker 2: Let's go Mark Chiefs.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, I don't know where I else to
Speaker 5: do this, because again, it's like reab Patrick Mahomes Spice here,
Speaker 5: but like Darius Tony to me, is on a kind
Speaker 5: of a bit of a weird wide out group for
Speaker 5: the Chiefs right now. They're already talking him up as
Speaker 5: having a pretty clear path to being the number one receiver. Now,
Speaker 5: I think part of it is like, that's great. When
Speaker 5: he's healthy, he does things that are a total fascination.
Speaker 5: Can he stay healthy? Can you really rely on him
Speaker 5: to play that role? But I mean, I have to
Speaker 5: feel like, if you're Andy Reid, you could spend a
Speaker 5: full straight month in the offseason devising trickery and elements
Speaker 5: of Kadarius Tony because we saw it in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: I mean, the game changing touchdown, the longest punt return
Speaker 5: in Super Bowl history.
Speaker 4: I just don't see why at this point.
Speaker 5: He also had the highest target rate of any any
Speaker 5: wide on the team last year, so it's like they
Speaker 5: were starting to use him more and more. Can you
Speaker 5: project him into a big, big role as a number
Speaker 5: one guy?
Speaker 2: We'll see, Yeah, worry.
Speaker 3: The number one guy is always going to be Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 3: It's tough to say that he's going to be the
Speaker 3: number one guy. But if Kadarius Tony is on the field,
Speaker 3: like Andy Reid's going to utilize him. And that's a
Speaker 3: good thing if you're a fantasy manager, if you're the Chiefs,
Speaker 3: especially because Patrick Mahomes is going to distribute, now are
Speaker 3: they Is he going to get one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: nine balls? Probably not, But that's because you have a
Speaker 3: really good quarterback. It's going to make the right decisions.
Speaker 2: Could he be seventy for one thousand? I think so,
Speaker 2: But I've got to stay healthy and worries me. I
Speaker 2: will always remember from my vantage point at that Super
Speaker 2: Bowl how the blocking sort of set up for that
Speaker 2: punt return and he could see it, and he like
Speaker 2: takes that step one way, and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is gonna change. Here we go the entire game
Speaker 2: and you almost scored. I think he probably wishes he scored.
Speaker 2: Ran out of gas. You know who doesn't run out
Speaker 2: of gas? The Chargers. Wait, they totally do in a
Speaker 2: big spot, but Justin Herbert doesn't. So I avoided I'd
Speaker 2: avoided star quarterbacks too, Mark, except for this one. I
Speaker 2: just was like, don't forget that. Justin Herbert is one
Speaker 2: of the most talented players we've ever seen. I was
Speaker 2: thinking in the in the context of this podcast, I
Speaker 2: would put Herbert with Andrew luck, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson as the most talented, pure capital t talented coquarterbacks
Speaker 2: that I've seen come into the league. Now, Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: you could throw in there now after the fact, but
Speaker 2: I didn't know he could throw the ball like he could,
Speaker 2: And that's on me. But Herbert is that guy, and
Speaker 2: I think with new coaching h and the best group
Speaker 2: around him, and it's year four, he's a smart dude
Speaker 2: who's learned a lot as a pro man, I think
Speaker 2: he can take that next level and be even spicier
Speaker 2: than ever.
Speaker 5: Like it was mismanaged last year. No one liked the
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator of the system in general. He played through injury.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think other guys would have not been
Speaker 5: on the field. It's questionable that he should not have
Speaker 5: been on the field for some of that too, But
Speaker 5: I mean it is the size, the toughness, like the
Speaker 5: physical traits, and the fact that, like you know, before,
Speaker 5: he was a starter. Like I thought on hard Knocks,
Speaker 5: he came across as a little bit of a floating personality.
Speaker 5: But they love him and he's like he's one of
Speaker 5: the more watchable quarterbacks we've ever.
Speaker 2: Hacially off the field.
Speaker 3: It's fair, yeah, and like who needs maybe he could
Speaker 3: be spicy in the sense that he's running counter to
Speaker 3: whateverbody else does and how everybody else is, Like maybe
Speaker 3: we could view that as spicy, and like looking at
Speaker 3: the even the playoff loss, right Travis etn Out touched
Speaker 3: Austin Eckler after the second half, like the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Said that massive lead, like that's that's not on that's
Speaker 1: not on.
Speaker 2: Justice, it's not. But it was a little bit of
Speaker 2: a disappointing second half. I don't think he played. He
Speaker 2: did not. It wasn't that he got robbed. He didn't
Speaker 2: play great either.
Speaker 1: Defense also could have got to stop.
Speaker 2: Right raiders Patrick wrapping up the West.
Speaker 3: I will take a really good player. I will take
Speaker 3: arguably the best receiver in football and say it's DeVante
Speaker 3: Adams because Davante comes to Las Vegas, he's playing with
Speaker 3: his college teammate, and then that all falls apart and
Speaker 3: now it's like what's going on, Like what is this
Speaker 3: organization's plan? People are maybe saying I'm low on DeVante,
Speaker 3: that's he's still that dude. He is still him. That
Speaker 3: is DeVante Adams. I am not necessarily doubting him. I
Speaker 3: think he's gonna outperform even even though it's like a
Speaker 3: top fifteen ADP. I think he's still DeVante Adams. He's
Speaker 3: still gonna get open. I have questions about the quarterback,
Speaker 3: he should have questions about the franchise situation.
Speaker 1: But I think he's I mean.
Speaker 5: He survived bad quarterback play last year and had a
Speaker 5: monster season, So it's kind of like a trick there's
Speaker 5: just like a cheat code type player where it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't really matter.
Speaker 5: He's been with a bunch of like he you know,
Speaker 5: I think for him, like the quarterback play with Rogers
Speaker 5: is one thing, but he would he wanted so badly
Speaker 5: to prove that he could do it without Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 5: last year, and he absolutely did. And it's TVD on
Speaker 5: Jimmy Garoppolo's health. But I don't think Jimmy Garoppolo is
Speaker 5: a step down from car I just don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's a big difference. I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I had someone at a school event asked me, you know,
Speaker 2: you get the football talk at the school event. Is
Speaker 2: DeVante Adams still the best wide receiver? Link like, how
Speaker 2: would you rank him? Jefferson? I forgot who else they
Speaker 2: threw in there. Maybe it was Digs and Chases the
Speaker 2: top four, and I was like, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: think Adams is close to there, but at this point
Speaker 2: I would take Jefferson and Chase maybe if I'm ranking one, two, three,
Speaker 2: But that's not fair. I'm almost projecting because he's thirty.
Speaker 2: It hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1: All these guys have such unique skill sets and the circumprances,
Speaker 1: they're all good.
Speaker 2: Yes, he is in that group. We are going on
Speaker 2: to the AFC East and this is when Eric is
Speaker 2: gonna step in. He's been helping us edit the shows lately.
Speaker 2: He's also a Bill's fan, and he's gonna tell us
Speaker 2: who the spiciest Bill is.
Speaker 7: Right, we're going back to back wide receivers here, Davonte
Speaker 7: Adams's Stefan Diggs. Okay, Buffalo, I feel like he's got
Speaker 7: a little bit of everything. What kind of spice you want?
Speaker 7: He's cryptic in the offseason. It's every year, where is
Speaker 7: he happy? Is he leaving?
Speaker 1: Buffalo?
Speaker 7: Fans are always in civil war over him. He believes
Speaker 7: in himself he's always on the sidelines. I am him,
Speaker 7: I am him. He's great at what he does. He
Speaker 7: gets hot, he gets picked up on hot, Mike's cussing
Speaker 7: out Patriots fans.
Speaker 2: He's got the full ball spice. What kind of spice
Speaker 2: you want? Hot? You want telling you everything? Stephan Diggs, guys,
Speaker 2: I love that and unbelievably talented and known as sort
Speaker 2: of the hardest worker in the room in that he
Speaker 2: feels confident getting on others when they don't live up
Speaker 2: to his standard.
Speaker 5: Would it be spicy if he's staged a summertime holdout, Oh.
Speaker 7: It would be very I mean it might as well be.
Speaker 7: At this point, Buffalo fans are up and it's it's
Speaker 7: not a big deal.
Speaker 2: Though, do we know if he's coming to the mandatory
Speaker 2: mini camp. I would very much like it if he did, Okay,
Speaker 2: but we don't know.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: I mean if skipping the non mandatory stuff, who cares.
Speaker 2: There's a million players doing that all around the league,
Speaker 2: including like well respected veterans that aren't getting any attention.
Speaker 3: And there's a fine structure tied to it. Anyway, Like,
Speaker 3: if he doesn't go, it's his choice. I still thick
Speaker 3: stuff on Diggs. It's going to be a good football
Speaker 3: player in twenty twenty three. Regardless of where he shows up.
Speaker 2: For Mini caamp right, I would have him solidly in
Speaker 2: my top five receivers. I know his numbers weren't quite
Speaker 2: as good last or maybe they were and I'm just
Speaker 2: totally wrong, but I don't care. He can get up
Speaker 2: and he's like that.
Speaker 4: Eric quietly made this three minutes long because.
Speaker 2: Now he's didn't build. He was quick on it. He
Speaker 2: was quick on got three to two one. Here we go,
Speaker 2: stop that whistle there. I couldn't have been more wrong
Speaker 2: on his numbers being lower last year. He had fourteen
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty nine yards, eleven touchdown.
Speaker 7: He had a little bit of a down under Nate
Speaker 7: Catch had a little bit of a like a quiet
Speaker 7: month in the middle of the season somewhere.
Speaker 2: And I don't want a fantasy team, so I couldn't
Speaker 2: have been more wrong. Though he has lit it up. Dude,
Speaker 2: he's gonna looking at his numbers now. He could go
Speaker 2: to the Hall of Fame. He is gonna have a
Speaker 2: realistic chance now.
Speaker 3: They look at it.
Speaker 2: He's got the opros, He's got the numbers. Like if
Speaker 2: he keeps stacking years. Next up, Mark, you got the Dolphins.
Speaker 5: I am going a little bit of a different direction
Speaker 5: here because it's not a player, it.
Speaker 4: Is a coach. It is Vikfuanio.
Speaker 2: Oo.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 5: You know, it's so all Dolphins talk is always like
Speaker 5: two of this, two of that. The wide receivers. You
Speaker 5: know they want to they maybe want to add Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 5: It's always gonna be that way with this team under
Speaker 5: Mike McDaniel. But Jalen Phillips, Christian Wilkins, Bradley Chubb, Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 5: Xavien Howard, Andrew Van Giggle. There's like seven more people
Speaker 5: I could name if you go look at their defense
Speaker 5: essentially analytically on PFF's like team page. There is no
Speaker 5: real weakness here. And I think that in this division
Speaker 5: where it's gonna be like doggy dog like, this is
Speaker 5: the defense that I think could put lights out on Buffalo,
Speaker 5: could rattle the Jets. Patriots offense doesn't scare me. It's
Speaker 5: like this defense to me, has a chance to be special.
Speaker 5: And everywhere that Vic Fangio.
Speaker 4: Goes, it's like, yes, he flips the switch.
Speaker 5: And I think this is quietly one of the better
Speaker 5: coaching staffs in the league because McDaniel is special to
Speaker 5: me as a head coach. He does something different than
Speaker 5: other coaches do.
Speaker 3: And I know that there's probably people are like, well,
Speaker 3: Vic Fangio, well came in and you know, consulted with
Speaker 3: the Eagles before playing Patrick Mahomes, like come on, like right,
Speaker 3: Sometimes things don't don't necessarily work out, but I love it.
Speaker 3: Vic is spicy. Yeah, back to he's a spicy individual.
Speaker 5: He's a bit cantankerous. I had to interview him once.
Speaker 5: I think I mentioned it was just like he didn't
Speaker 5: want to see I mean, on any level.
Speaker 2: I couldn't help but think he kind of buried Bradley
Speaker 2: Chubb publicly and now Bradley Chubb is playing for him.
Speaker 2: But then I heard some I think there was some
Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb comments like he loves Vic Fangoe. He's the
Speaker 2: type of guy that can bury you a little publicly,
Speaker 2: but they love him behind the scenes. I'm going to
Speaker 2: do the Patriots. I have Christian Barmore as my spicy player.
Speaker 2: So this is interpreting spicy in that I just think
Speaker 2: he's integral to what's going to happen to this team.
Speaker 2: I think their front seven, especially their defensive line, could
Speaker 2: be very spicy, as good as it's been in six
Speaker 2: years or so since kind of the Chandler Jones peak.
Speaker 2: And I think bar Moore is the key to it
Speaker 2: all because he was really their best player as a rookie,
Speaker 2: which really doesn't happen much as an interior player was
Speaker 2: hurt last year, wasn't quite as impactful. I think Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick's very high on him, but just didn't pop as
Speaker 2: much a year ago. And if he comes back and
Speaker 2: now is a third year player who's been in that
Speaker 2: scheme and they know how to use him and he
Speaker 2: lives up to his potential, I think you could see
Speaker 2: him as an all pro type of player and take
Speaker 2: that unit, which is to me very deep and talented,
Speaker 2: to another level where they're one of the best groups
Speaker 2: in the entire NFL.
Speaker 5: I thought you might go Bill O'Brien there, because so
Speaker 5: much if it's on that, I didn't think coaches that's
Speaker 5: a good way to think. I wish I said some
Speaker 5: of these teams just like all kind of rests on this,
Speaker 5: but this is a Bill Belichick type player.
Speaker 1: You said it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just like and I trust Belichick just
Speaker 5: to continue to make him the star that he is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's been of course, looking back, you know,
Speaker 3: Dante took that year off but eventually retired, and like
Speaker 3: people talk about this, you know Belichick and Saban relationship,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, the players come in and it doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily here's another instance where they got a good player
Speaker 3: and a good spot. Probably Barmar could have gone a
Speaker 3: little bit earlier, but he fell to New England and
Speaker 3: it's worked out. Like it's it's one of those.
Speaker 1: As much as we criticize when they take somebody it
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, this is a hit. This is a
Speaker 1: win for Bill.
Speaker 2: Absolutely needs to get on the field a little more. Patrick,
Speaker 2: you got the Jets wrapping up the AFC.
Speaker 3: Oh so much young talent, so many guys who had
Speaker 3: good ricky seasons, And I'm gonna take one of them.
Speaker 3: But it's not the one you think. Makai Beckton had
Speaker 3: a great season twenty he has a catastrophic knee injury.
Speaker 3: It takes a little bit longer and people are out
Speaker 3: on him. It's like, oh, yeah, he's not trying hard
Speaker 3: because no, I think it's spicy to believe in mckaie Beckton,
Speaker 3: a guy who had so much promise. Dwayne Brown recently
Speaker 3: had surgery and so it's it's gonna move McKay Beckton
Speaker 3: up a little bit. Is is circumstance to get on
Speaker 3: the field, and I think he's closer to being back.
Speaker 3: And I have a spicy belief in McKay Beckton despite
Speaker 3: the fact there's a guy who's very spicy is going
Speaker 3: to be his quarterback. I think it's spicy.
Speaker 1: To be spicy.
Speaker 5: It is like there's a high variance for what we
Speaker 5: could get from him, but there have been very positive
Speaker 5: off season reports. I think you're right that the stories
Speaker 5: of him maybe not being the most driven individual on
Speaker 5: the planet or in the past at this point, that
Speaker 5: left side of the line. If he turns out to
Speaker 5: be the guy that we think he is, Lake and
Speaker 5: Tomlinson a guard, Joe Tipman at center, I mean, it's
Speaker 5: Vera Tucker at Reigart. You start to see it and
Speaker 5: it's like it's absolutely critical that Aaron Rodgers is kept upright.
Speaker 2: The way that like career arcs go. Even if Beckton
Speaker 2: has an up and down career, I feel like he
Speaker 2: is maybe gonna be good for one season or two
Speaker 2: seasons where like he's a different maker, and this would
Speaker 2: make sense as that type of season. Like he they
Speaker 2: haven't given up on him. He's shown he has talent.
Speaker 2: He showed that as a rookie. How are we feeling
Speaker 2: at halftime here?
Speaker 3: I feel I feel good?
Speaker 2: I mean we bid off a lot here. What's our
Speaker 2: halftime show? What did you prepare? I mean clay Bon's
Speaker 2: and shorts here. I don't know, maybe it's June. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the halftime show would be here,
Speaker 2: but he looks more just ready for one.
Speaker 3: Well, we got we got Taylor and Beyonce are coming
Speaker 3: this summer and fall over at so Far. I guess
Speaker 3: if people, if people are listening to this, we're gonna
Speaker 3: sit here till then they could play. They could play there.
Speaker 2: No, I'm feeling good, like a snack or anything.
Speaker 4: No, I'm ready to Okay, elve into the third.
Speaker 2: Well, we also drive up to so Far and people
Speaker 2: would know this from out of town. It's right next
Speaker 2: to the Old Forum, which is where the Lakers used
Speaker 2: to play, which they now have turned into a concert venue.
Speaker 2: And uh, they have some big acts there. But then
Speaker 2: you also have ones where Brian Adams is playing soon
Speaker 2: with Joan Jet as his what do they call it,
Speaker 2: you know, opening band. Yeah, and I thought, well, Brian
Speaker 2: Adams sell you know, playing a eight thousand person stadium
Speaker 2: in the year twenty twenty three with Joan Jet. Surprise.
Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised.
Speaker 5: It is interesting around our workplace because whenever one of
Speaker 5: these shows occur, whether it's at SOFI or the Forum,
Speaker 5: you just see a very different from show to show.
Speaker 5: The crowds that gather and this is going to be
Speaker 5: a lot of dudes and chicks in their forties and
Speaker 5: fifties listening to Brian Adams. But then there was one
Speaker 5: band that showed up and it was like hundreds of like
Speaker 5: moms and young girls and Kitty Cat ears walking around.
Speaker 2: Well, Suga, I might be saying his name wrong, Like
Speaker 2: a solo act from BTS was there last week, and yeah,
Speaker 2: the place was swarmed for days.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Intuit Dome is going to be done
Speaker 3: pretty soon and then we could just have three wide concerts.
Speaker 1: All the time.
Speaker 2: That's where the Clippers are going to play, which is yeah,
Speaker 2: about to be about two blocks away, and the key
Speaker 2: in the the Forum where the concerts is literally like
Speaker 2: sharing a parking lot fearing on commute from Hell. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot, all right. That was our halftime show. Mark,
Speaker 2: You're gonna kick us off in the NFC north of
Speaker 2: the Bears.
Speaker 5: All right, Dj Moore, I just I think this is this,
Speaker 5: this pick up when we talk about what happened with
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts a year ago. You go get aj Brown
Speaker 5: and suddenly the whole offense starts to sing. And I
Speaker 5: think the Justin Fields having done QB index, I'd always
Speaker 5: get these tweets when I put as he climbed up
Speaker 5: and up the rankings, and it was Joel he can run,
Speaker 5: you can do nothing else.
Speaker 4: He did improve as a passer.
Speaker 5: There was a stretch of the season where you started
Speaker 5: to see it, and I think it's fair to expect
Speaker 5: that jump. And I think Dj Moore is the kind
Speaker 5: of guy that only he can separate. He had more average,
Speaker 5: more yards of separation last season than every receiver in
Speaker 5: the league other than Justin Jefferson, Ceedee Lamb and DeVante
Speaker 5: Adams We've.
Speaker 2: Talked about here.
Speaker 5: Well, I love that fit to Justin Fields, and I
Speaker 5: think that if you're Ryan, like Ryan Poles went out
Speaker 5: and got the kind of player.
Speaker 4: It was a very savvy trade.
Speaker 5: I think we all look at that, the fact that
Speaker 5: the Bears, you know, there's no winner of that trade yet,
Speaker 5: but that to go get Dj Moore, I think it
Speaker 5: completely changed what they can do on offense. And Moore's
Speaker 5: already shown that he can do it. So it's not
Speaker 5: a draft guy you're hoping hits.
Speaker 2: You know he will, right, He's a guy like every
Speaker 2: team could use. Sometimes you get carried away of like
Speaker 2: you need to search for the true number one. This
Speaker 2: this that, Like he reminds me of like a basketball
Speaker 2: player that's like a wing that can hit threes and defend.
Speaker 2: Like literally every team could use Dj Moore and he's
Speaker 2: gonna make them way better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there were points during late last season where you
Speaker 3: had the lesser Saint Brown Brother and Chase Claypool were
Speaker 3: like the best guys out in the route for Chicago, and.
Speaker 1: It's like E is, Yeah, that's the red I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like.
Speaker 2: I mean, he also has the dad, the Mister Universe dad, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm not picking him Monrad though, as my lie and
Speaker 2: I could have. He's pretty spicy, But I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: Jamir Gibbs. There was so much focus on the value
Speaker 2: of that pick, taking a running back there and who
Speaker 2: else they could have taken, and I think a little
Speaker 2: bit less on Okay, how is he gonna fit into
Speaker 2: this offense? What's he going to do? I am excited
Speaker 2: as a fan of football to watch him in this
Speaker 2: offense because you have a road grading offensive line, just
Speaker 2: a big group that's played together. You have a great
Speaker 2: coordinator in Ben Johnson, and I hear the Lions fans
Speaker 2: that push back when I was like, did they upgrade
Speaker 2: that much at running back overall? Because like their last
Speaker 2: group was good. Maybe the last group looked better than
Speaker 2: it really was because the scheme and the line are
Speaker 2: so good. Jamir Gibbs might be the number one home
Speaker 2: run hitter in this offense for the first six weeks
Speaker 2: of the season. I think he is until Jamison Williams
Speaker 2: is back. He's the guy that can take it to
Speaker 2: the house. I found it a little curious. I like
Speaker 2: the pick, and I think it's like, why not go
Speaker 2: get those guys like, but it was a bit of
Speaker 2: a curious overhaul at the position. Maybe they weren't as
Speaker 2: maybe it was had a to do with the law.
Speaker 2: They were down on swift for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, I think, yeah, whatever, you could see that as
Speaker 5: the way the season played out. But I'm not a
Speaker 5: huge believer in David Montgomery is a big like upgrade
Speaker 5: over any of those guys from last season. So you
Speaker 5: know this is a coaching staff self scouting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gotta be gibbs and looking well because I
Speaker 3: know that a lot of criticism will come in. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: he had that success. He's playing with the Heisman Trophy winner,
Speaker 3: number one overall pick. But go back to his time
Speaker 3: at Georgia Tech, he was still at like five point
Speaker 3: eight yards per carre at Tech. Like, this is a
Speaker 3: guy who's been right around six yards to carry every
Speaker 3: single season in college football.
Speaker 1: I think it.
Speaker 2: Translates Montgomery no spice, yeah, and sometimes on the soup
Speaker 2: options you can get mild yeah, but there's actually an
Speaker 2: option no spice, Like if kids are going anti spice,
Speaker 2: no spice. Randy Chavez is stepping up.
Speaker 1: Talk to me.
Speaker 2: He's usually in the back helping produce in helping us
Speaker 2: behind the scenes, but he's a big time Packers fan.
Speaker 2: He's gonna give us spiciest Packer Randy what's up.
Speaker 1: In my lifetime, the Packers have had a quarterback, they've
Speaker 1: had the receiver, they've had selective defensive players. You could
Speaker 1: argue they have the running back right now. The one
Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle the Packers have never had is
Speaker 1: a dynamic tight end. And I feel like this year
Speaker 1: maybe the year the beginning of a dynamic career. My
Speaker 1: spicy pick is rookie tight end Luke Musgrave Okay at
Speaker 1: six ' six running a four point six four to
Speaker 1: six forty. I mean, he's dynamic. It's a tight end
Speaker 1: that moves like a receiver. Lafloor says he does have
Speaker 1: an elite trait in that he can flat fly and
Speaker 1: he's a large target. I mean, look at the last
Speaker 1: five Super Bowls. The last four of the last five
Speaker 1: winners have had a dynamic tight end. This could be
Speaker 1: the missing piece. Maybe.
Speaker 2: Are you worried at all? He's just so tall when
Speaker 2: he's running down the field. I just I worried, like
Speaker 2: he's gonna get hurt, and he has been hurt.
Speaker 1: I mean that was sort of my thing when it
Speaker 1: was like Gronk. When Gronk was running around, I was like,
Speaker 1: how is this practice?
Speaker 2: He was thick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't even I mean you can get you
Speaker 1: can get thicker, right, hit the gym, let's get the
Speaker 1: games up, you know. But I think it's six six
Speaker 1: and already running a four to six. That's that's what.
Speaker 3: Gronk was built, like a robot from outer space. But
Speaker 3: like Brady would send Gronk on missions, and Gronk would
Speaker 3: accept those missions and for some reason maintain this relationship
Speaker 3: with Tom. But I just think to a certain extent,
Speaker 3: if your quarterbacks getting you blasted, that that's that's on
Speaker 3: the course.
Speaker 5: So what's better for like a Jordan Love who's starting
Speaker 5: his career essentially now, to have a tight ending corn lion.
Speaker 5: I mean that's like when you don't have that, I
Speaker 5: think you see young quarterbacks suffer without that element to
Speaker 5: the offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. Like anyone that tall, you just
Speaker 2: worried he's gonna take a hit, which happened. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: just because it happened to him in college, but he
Speaker 2: a guy that tall, that fast is pretty rare, and
Speaker 2: he was already taken for first team reps. I love
Speaker 2: I love it, Randy. You stepped right in out of
Speaker 2: the park seamless. Uh, Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 3: Patrick, Let's let's get super spicy.
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager is my spicy players in Minnesota Bikers because
Speaker 1: it would be easy to take Kirk. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: Kirk contract Field.
Speaker 3: There's a gonna be plenty of time to talk about
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins and his quest for money, which is he's
Speaker 3: always going to be successful and he should try to
Speaker 3: get as much as possible. But like, so, feeling's out.
Speaker 3: I think there's a spot open. Jordan Addison is going
Speaker 3: to come in, but how how much action are we
Speaker 3: expecting the rookie to to really get? Like, I think
Speaker 3: Jalen Rager is going to be a part of the offense,
Speaker 3: not necessarily throwaways, but especially in a in what could
Speaker 3: be a really Kirk themed dear where the Vikings may
Speaker 3: be playing from behind a lot. I think there's their
Speaker 3: space for Jalen Rager in our lives.
Speaker 1: And he's still an explosive player to me, and Greg
Speaker 1: has a pained look on his face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've seen enough of Rager. He's
Speaker 2: played a lot. He had one hundred yards last year.
Speaker 2: I was like, did I miss him one hundred and
Speaker 2: four yards? He did have some good I feel like
Speaker 2: he had some. Did he have some return moments? Though not?
Speaker 2: You know, new Ago is the better one. That's a
Speaker 2: spicy pick.
Speaker 3: There's no question I wanted to be spicy.
Speaker 4: I like l A.
Speaker 5: Kg Osborne a lot. I kind of feel like Jalen
Speaker 5: Rager's sort of playing for his career.
Speaker 4: At this point. Yeah, so there will motivation.
Speaker 2: I sort of feel like I came in here and
Speaker 2: Patrick he needed a few more minutes to finish his
Speaker 2: spicy homerk like. Rager was just like a guy he
Speaker 2: wrote down at the last second.
Speaker 1: It took it. Initially when I looked at when I
Speaker 1: looked at.
Speaker 3: Your text, I thought I was just picking ten spicy
Speaker 3: players and all the way here it was like, oh
Speaker 3: they're from particular team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, check the email, Yeah there was. That
Speaker 2: was a little confusing, spicy. That was tough. I think
Speaker 2: Rager is your guy now though.
Speaker 1: I'll put a sandwich on Jalen ragor forty catches.
Speaker 2: Okay, I will take you. Put that down. Let's get it,
Speaker 2: Nick Fortier mark it down. Anytime Jalen Rager makes a play,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna bug Patrick in the newsroom. You got
Speaker 2: the Falcons. Mark all right, I.
Speaker 5: Want you to imagine two players kind of arm and
Speaker 5: arm forming one player, and it's b Jon Robinson and
Speaker 5: Tyler L.
Speaker 4: Gier is my guy from last season.
Speaker 5: By the way, PFF's fifth fifth overall running back Tyler
Speaker 5: je Everyone's like, oh, he's out the picture now, No,
Speaker 5: he's not. This offense is gonna look like something from
Speaker 5: the early eighties. And I think that Arthur Smith he
Speaker 5: needed a couple of seasons to kind of get it
Speaker 5: into shape. Desmond Ritter, we're sort of waiting to see
Speaker 5: what he is through the air. But this offensive line,
Speaker 5: after years of wreckage, is they went and signed their
Speaker 5: own guys. I thought that they built up this powerful
Speaker 5: offensive line by Jhon Robinson's been used all over the
Speaker 5: place in mini camp. I think they're gonna just find
Speaker 5: creative ways to unleasham Al Jier can come in and
Speaker 5: hammer you when we're doing other things. With Bijon Robinson,
Speaker 5: they feel like an asteroid just about to destroy defenses.
Speaker 5: I really I'm not overstating this. When I think about,
Speaker 5: like my ranking of teams that I'm most interested to
Speaker 5: watch out of the gate, the Falcons are my kind
Speaker 5: of football team. Right now, and I know it's a
Speaker 5: little bit zigging than when the others are passing heavy
Speaker 5: all over the place.
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna hammer teams.
Speaker 2: They are leaning into it. They're doing it in a
Speaker 2: way that I thought the Patriots were doing a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago. It's like, Okay, everyone's gonna get lighter, let's
Speaker 2: get heavier, and they're they're like speaking with their actions.
Speaker 2: Matt Collins is their number to running back. You're right,
Speaker 2: Algier will probably find his way to one hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy five, two hundred touches. Anyways, it's just gonna be
Speaker 2: I'm kind of with you. The fact that, like it's
Speaker 2: also Drake Lennon and Kyle Pitts as they're one and
Speaker 2: two of these two massive guys who can also do
Speaker 2: a little blocking.
Speaker 4: Think the lead of the league in rushing attempts. So
Speaker 4: there's there's plenty.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, there's there's a lot of carries to go
Speaker 3: around and everybody. You know, you can't give Bijon all
Speaker 3: of that, but he can. He can have a lot
Speaker 3: of it, and they have the talent to do it.
Speaker 2: He's a big dude, Algier. I have the Panthers I'm
Speaker 2: going j C. Horn. I mean, you were born into
Speaker 2: the Horn family. Spice is part of the equation. It's
Speaker 2: in the DNA. Anyone who is Joe Horn's son is
Speaker 2: full of spice.
Speaker 1: And J C.
Speaker 2: Horn looked like a true CB, one like top five
Speaker 2: cornerback in the league as a rookie. He had that injury,
Speaker 2: he came back last year. I think when he played
Speaker 2: was still excellent, and I think he's a guy that
Speaker 2: a Giro evro there defensive coordinator will build around. So
Speaker 2: to me, he seems like a guy and this can
Speaker 2: happen at cornerbacks. Cornerbacks can become stars. I think because
Speaker 2: of his personality and because of his game like he
Speaker 2: can develop into a star who's talking a lot of
Speaker 2: trash and who's backing it up in a defensive oriented division.
Speaker 5: In general, I mean, it's sort of like his rookie
Speaker 5: year last year, because he only what played three games
Speaker 5: as a in his true season, and so I mean
Speaker 5: you do expect a leap. And like I whenever there's
Speaker 5: a coordinator shift, you're looking at players that may not
Speaker 5: fit the new scheme necessarily, but not with hit like that.
Speaker 4: He's scheme. You know you know, there's no issues with that.
Speaker 3: And after the rule departure, it seemed like there was
Speaker 3: a little bit more of a of an idea what
Speaker 3: to do with JC. You're not trying to put jac
Speaker 3: in a situation where he's making a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: tackles necessarily at the lone of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: A guy, it's a cover guy. He's a pure cover guy.
Speaker 1: Let's have him cover some people.
Speaker 2: There's not that many of those anywhere either, kind of
Speaker 2: like that. You know some I mean, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to tackle a little bit like a Sante Sam like
Speaker 2: you will have to tackle will find you these days.
Speaker 2: But guys who are just more purely that's a guy
Speaker 2: you can leave out on an island. The stereotype J C. Horn.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Patrick. He's got the Saints.
Speaker 3: I've got the Saints, and I've got Juwan Johnson as
Speaker 3: my spicy player guy who came on towards the end
Speaker 3: of last season. And people are looking at the car
Speaker 3: thing and I know you guys feel you know, car
Speaker 3: Garoppolo is one for one.
Speaker 1: I think Derek Carr is an upgrade over Andy Dalton.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Greg, I think that's fair I would agree
Speaker 4: with that, and.
Speaker 3: So we saw what Juwan Johnson was capable of doing.
Speaker 3: Another year in the same situation, I think it could
Speaker 3: be a big year for Juwan Johnson, who's the tight
Speaker 3: end fifteen right now, I think more like nine would
Speaker 3: probably be appropriate for Juwan jo.
Speaker 2: I like the Patrick on the Fantasy Show is given
Speaker 2: his fantasy takes.
Speaker 5: It's good we need that angle a little more. The
Speaker 5: only thing I'd say though, because I overall I'd take
Speaker 5: Car over Dalton. And but Dalton, like last season, played
Speaker 5: with this confidence, especially with the deep ball, and I
Speaker 5: think that he really unleashed some of their wideouts, and
Speaker 5: so it's like, you hope that that is equal at
Speaker 5: least with Carr, who I think when Carr goes into
Speaker 5: a shell or when he misses, it's like really hard
Speaker 5: to watch.
Speaker 2: But we know he can throw to an athletic tight end.
Speaker 2: Not that that should be hard for a good quarterback,
Speaker 2: but I'm with you. Juwan Johnson has shown a lot.
Speaker 2: He is one of the most successful wide receiver to
Speaker 2: tight end transitions that I can think of. A lot
Speaker 2: of teams try that. Sean Payton started the process and
Speaker 2: he is really dynamic. He is fluid. I think did
Speaker 2: they extend his contract this offseason? That slipped a little
Speaker 2: under the radar. I could be wrong about that, but
Speaker 2: he is under contract. I shouldn't just ask questions without
Speaker 2: knowing they did extend his contract.
Speaker 1: But we'll look at that.
Speaker 2: So there we go, two year deal for twelve million dollars.
Speaker 2: So they gave him some short term money. I think
Speaker 2: that will age extremely well. Let's go to the bucks.
Speaker 2: It's mark all right.
Speaker 5: If you're watching this on YouTube, I'd just like to
Speaker 5: bring up a photo here of my player.
Speaker 4: This is Cody Mock there.
Speaker 5: This is their right guard, rookie right guard, and he
Speaker 5: is an interesting individual.
Speaker 4: The flowing ginger Maine. You see it right there.
Speaker 5: I think their offensive line was a problem last year.
Speaker 5: You got Tristan Wurf's back, there are some problems. I
Speaker 5: think at left guard. Ryan Jensen did not grade out
Speaker 5: very well. So I think this is part of rebuilding
Speaker 5: your line, and Cody Mock is a big part of that.
Speaker 5: I love some of his college story because he didn't
Speaker 5: really even play in high school at all. He transitioned
Speaker 5: in college to play this position. He is six ' five,
Speaker 5: three hundred and two pounds but very athletic. He ranked
Speaker 5: out ninetieth percentile on the forty yard dash at his position,
Speaker 5: not against wide receivers. We get that in ninety eight
Speaker 5: percentile on the three cones, so he can move.
Speaker 4: He's agile.
Speaker 5: They need help at this position, and I think it's
Speaker 5: sort have got a spicy look to him.
Speaker 4: If you don't.
Speaker 2: Agree, I totally agree. And this picture we're looking at
Speaker 2: doesn't even show that he's missing his two front teeth.
Speaker 2: And I think he has said previously he doesn't plan
Speaker 2: to fix a plan. So after the NFL he thought like, well,
Speaker 2: they could just get messed up again.
Speaker 3: I would There's there's a signial like I love sandwiches,
Speaker 3: I love biting into delicious food, and I feel like
Speaker 3: I'd be missing something.
Speaker 2: I mean, he doesn't look like he's you know, lacking
Speaker 2: for delicious food.
Speaker 3: But for the for the YouTube viewers, because everybody's stationary there,
Speaker 3: he's literally putting on gloves.
Speaker 1: Is there a fan?
Speaker 3: It's not a gust of wind. His hair is blowing majestically.
Speaker 4: That is an excellent stake because.
Speaker 3: It's like so like he's not going to throw his
Speaker 3: hair back like that to put gloves on. Why is
Speaker 3: his hair flowing?
Speaker 2: He's magical. That's what he looks like everything.
Speaker 1: I think it's just consistently like that.
Speaker 2: All right. That is it. Where you're going to take
Speaker 2: one more break before we wrap up with the NFC
Speaker 2: West and East. I got the Cardinals. I'm going Buddha Baker, man.
Speaker 2: It was tough to pick a Cardinals player. Buddha Baker,
Speaker 2: to me, is a spicy player who got a lot
Speaker 2: more attention over the last year, not only because he's good,
Speaker 2: but because he was trying to keep this team together
Speaker 2: on hard knocks, and now he was looking for a
Speaker 2: trade this offseason. He also said he will be there
Speaker 2: at their mandatory mini camp. I don't think they're going
Speaker 2: to trade him because I think at some point you
Speaker 2: need to have good players, and he's under a pretty
Speaker 2: big contract, but you don't want to just get rid
Speaker 2: of good young players, which he is. And he's a
Speaker 2: player to build around, and he's like a modern day
Speaker 2: Bob Sanders or something. I mean, he's much better in
Speaker 2: coverage because the NFL has changed, they wouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to stay on the field, but he just throws his
Speaker 2: body around and he's like that dude, you would love
Speaker 2: to play with that cleave. I mean, it.
Speaker 5: Concerns me that he's openly asked to play for a
Speaker 5: different team because it's like, you gotta I think this
Speaker 5: year is a lost season and like these players are
Speaker 5: a little too savvy to just trust in a rebuilding
Speaker 5: project out of from outer space. I mean, we don't
Speaker 5: know the coach, the general managers knew. There's not a
Speaker 5: lot of reason for dug in hope and if your
Speaker 5: boot you could go somewhere else and be a star
Speaker 5: right away.
Speaker 2: He could be a guy that gets traded at the
Speaker 2: trade deadline, like one of those guys we hear about
Speaker 2: at least talked about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because if we think about a career in the
Speaker 3: span of eight to ten years, and Buddha Baker has
Speaker 3: been there, I think this is year four in the
Speaker 3: desert and all of the things, all of the changes
Speaker 3: he's seen, what's what's gonna be there?
Speaker 1: For?
Speaker 3: Is this where I want to be for the remainder
Speaker 3: of my career. I think it's a reasonable thing for
Speaker 3: him to ask that, considering like the way things have
Speaker 3: been and now people are talking, oh, well, they're gonna
Speaker 3: have the number one overall pick.
Speaker 2: Huh, this is gonna be on seventh season, Buddha Baker
Speaker 2: that sneaks up on you. Holy crap, you have the Rams, Patrick.
Speaker 1: I have the Rams. I'm gonna take another really good player.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a really good wide receiver. It's Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup is the spiciest player on the Rams. So
Speaker 3: people might think like, oh, there's what spicy about Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3: Wash wash, this dude stiff arm like six people, and
Speaker 3: then have somebody say, oh, he's not that athletic.
Speaker 1: What does he have to do? Spicy? Do you have
Speaker 1: to beat a class?
Speaker 3: You have to outrun everybody in stiff arm six people
Speaker 3: on the way to the end zone for a touchdown.
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at cause you have Cup could be
Speaker 3: on that path. We know that Aaron Donald's going to
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. What are the Rams doing? Like,
Speaker 3: what's what's the plan for twenty twenty three Because at
Speaker 3: a certain point, like I'm looking at Cooper Cup, I'm
Speaker 3: looking at Matthew Stafford like I want more for them
Speaker 3: because I know that they're good players that can they
Speaker 3: can be successful, and I'm just I love Cooper Cup
Speaker 3: and I want them to get back to you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have not talked to Cooper cup like specifically
Speaker 2: in a while.
Speaker 5: Well no, I mean, but we have talked about to
Speaker 5: your point, Patrick, just what some of these figures on
Speaker 5: the Rams stand out as sort of a top heavy
Speaker 5: luxury on a team that I think really just has
Speaker 5: they've gone super young. They have like thirty forty like
Speaker 5: young for rookies essentially on the roster, and I think
Speaker 5: they want to view this. I hope they hope it's
Speaker 5: a one year rebuild where you come out of this
Speaker 5: and cut his plug back into an offense. I just
Speaker 5: think Matthew Stafford is someone that could get moved if
Speaker 5: a disaster strikes Eltz where I don't know why you
Speaker 5: trade Cooper Cupp Dough so he hang on to him.
Speaker 2: He had that tightrope surgery on his ankle, but there's
Speaker 2: not many people around him. I mean, he had one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five catches two years ago. I mean,
Speaker 2: is he a top five fantasy pick? Again, You'd love
Speaker 2: to see how he looks coming off that injury, but
Speaker 2: if he's on the field, he will be worth a
Speaker 2: top five pick in fantasy.
Speaker 3: This is a guy who's who's already come back from
Speaker 3: a torn acl early in his care and you know
Speaker 3: people have tight rope and they come back in three weeks.
Speaker 1: I just think like there wasn't a reason to bring
Speaker 1: it right.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just saying, like, why wouldn't he have
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five catches?
Speaker 1: Seattle fifty load him up.
Speaker 5: Seahawks quietly have one of the better rosters in football.
Speaker 5: That's one of your one year rebuilding jobs happened right
Speaker 5: here in the same division, and the early returns on
Speaker 5: Jackson Smith and Jigba are really positive.
Speaker 2: Gino Smith was talking him up.
Speaker 5: I know that you know this is not non padded,
Speaker 5: non contact scenarios at at this point, but they are
Speaker 5: talking to about him as someone that just shows right
Speaker 5: out of the gate the juice and the spice to
Speaker 5: develop very quickly in a wide receiver room that already
Speaker 5: has Tyler Lockett and DK Metcalf. This is the best,
Speaker 5: This could be the best trio in the league. And
Speaker 5: I think you're going to get something right away from him.
Speaker 5: They're comparing some of his skills to essentially like a
Speaker 5: plug and play Doug Baldwin and I this is someone
Speaker 5: that had three hundred and forty seven yards, fifteen catches
Speaker 5: and three touchdowns in a Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2: I think his skill set also marries so well with
Speaker 2: the two receivers that are playing on the side of him,
Speaker 2: and also with Gino Smith, who to me is a
Speaker 2: touch in timing and accuracy quarterback. He's not, you know,
Speaker 2: a power just chuck it down the field. And that's
Speaker 2: what Smith in jigued as well. Once so the two
Speaker 2: guys get on the same page. I think you'll see
Speaker 2: that connection like Gino has with Locket too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the feel. It's it's going to take time
Speaker 1: right for him to develop that feel and that trust
Speaker 1: with the returns to where JSN is going to be.
Speaker 3: But as a Geno believer, I can't help but to believe.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be great.
Speaker 2: The only thing is in fantasy there's only so many
Speaker 2: yards to go around because they're gonna run the ball
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I also am more concerned with real life, right.
Speaker 2: He could be a better real player than fantasy, is
Speaker 2: all I'm saying. Whereas like, all three of them cut
Speaker 2: into each other, but they're gonna be tough to stop.
Speaker 2: They're they're high on my list teams. I want to
Speaker 2: see forty nine ers. I struggled with this one because, like,
Speaker 2: I love Ayuk, but is he just established? I love
Speaker 2: watching him. I'm doing a last minute change. I'm changing
Speaker 2: it from Ayuke to Colton.
Speaker 4: Mckivitt's spicy Okay.
Speaker 2: Every day practically I pass by uh, Colton Sessler's former
Speaker 2: grade school and I see his lovely face. It's still up.
Speaker 2: It's on multiple corners, heavy traffic corners, and he's like
Speaker 2: it was like five years ago. This has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with Coulton mckivts have pivoted here, but I just
Speaker 2: like that story. And here's another man named Colton, and
Speaker 2: Colton mckivitt's is the new right tackle of the forty
Speaker 2: nine ers, and he's standing in a little bit for
Speaker 2: this entire offensive line where it's like, yeah, they have continuity,
Speaker 2: but it's Spencer Brentford, Spencer Buford, Jake Brendle and Aaron
Speaker 2: Banks and Colton mckivit's are the guys next to Trent Williams.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is an imbalanced line. One first ballot
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer and these other dudes, and they're trusting
Speaker 2: that they'll make it happen. But to me, that's spicy.
Speaker 2: That's a spicy question to watch. I like you.
Speaker 3: I like the spice in the because there's so much
Speaker 3: that people view. It's like, oh, well, Kyle's going to
Speaker 3: figure it out.
Speaker 2: Four fourth year, fifth round pick, by the way, who's
Speaker 2: been in the system for four years, so I should
Speaker 2: give some background.
Speaker 1: He's ready.
Speaker 5: You know, they put that signage up with my child's face.
Speaker 5: It was just like a ten foot image of his face.
Speaker 5: Never told us, never paid.
Speaker 2: Us for it. It was very on your rear. You were
Speaker 2: pretty upset about it.
Speaker 5: I'm not like Colton was fine with it, so as
Speaker 5: long as he is. But it's like, would you maybe
Speaker 5: tell a parent that we're gonna splash your child's face.
Speaker 2: Well, that was when he was like six or seven, right,
Speaker 2: that's when the pictures from Yeah revisit him. Now where
Speaker 2: he's in middle school? What is he entering fifth sixth grade?
Speaker 4: He's entering sixth grade next year.
Speaker 3: Even even now, like a child's not gonna be able
Speaker 3: to provide consent, like maybe talk to the parents before
Speaker 3: you plaster an eggs.
Speaker 2: Little I have I have thought about going out there
Speaker 2: in the in the night and just ripping it down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they'd have to take it.
Speaker 4: I'm annoyed now.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to deface it though he's a beautiful
Speaker 2: young boy. Patrick. We're wrapping up with the Cowboys. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, weird if I defaced it, but I would
Speaker 2: just take it.
Speaker 5: I'd love to see solid, love to see Greg taken
Speaker 5: in by the cops for you know, oh God, disturbance
Speaker 5: at two Catholic school signs.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's a Catholic school. I don't want to call
Speaker 2: them out, but yeah, it's out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I will take Brandon Cooks as my spicy player. He's
Speaker 3: who I was thinking of where a player was kind
Speaker 3: of toiling and futility in Houston, and now he has
Speaker 3: an opportunity to be a two on a good team
Speaker 3: with a good quarterback. And we seen Brandon the thousand
Speaker 3: yard streak finally came to an end last season. If
Speaker 3: he if he accomplished that, I'd say put him in
Speaker 3: Canton immediately. But I think it's things are going to
Speaker 3: be a whole lot better for Brandon Cooks, and I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be what the Cowboys were missing
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 5: They were really missing it, and it stands out to
Speaker 5: me when we talked to Cede Lamb at the Super
Speaker 5: Bowl and he was pedaling deodorant and actually gave me
Speaker 5: his stick of old spice yodorant, which I still you know,
Speaker 5: it's my backup jurn soill he's once in a while,
Speaker 5: but like.
Speaker 2: He was, essentially when does backup come up?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, like if you're in a pinch in
Speaker 5: the normal brand that I mentioned, like I use that
Speaker 5: and runs out, got to go to podcast. So there's
Speaker 5: just you know, interesting, it's good to have two of everything,
Speaker 5: I think. But but this Ceedee Lamb was lobbying, you know,
Speaker 5: verbally Jerry Jones to go get help for essentially the offense,
Speaker 5: and it was that wide receiver and this is a
Speaker 5: perfect edition for them.
Speaker 2: He's kind of they ouh, that perfect number two where
Speaker 2: you're not you you want to get him as many
Speaker 2: touches keep him happy. But he also kind of knows
Speaker 2: where he is in the pecking order and just dude
Speaker 2: gets buckets anywhere he goes. He produces there. At some
Speaker 2: point he will get old, but I think his skill
Speaker 2: set will age fairly well. He's always a stronger player
Speaker 2: than I think people give him he will never get old. Really,
Speaker 2: you know, all right.
Speaker 1: He's actually a mortal Giants mark in these segments when
Speaker 1: we hear last week, we kind of run out of
Speaker 1: things to talk about.
Speaker 5: It gets real quiet. I'm going Darren Waller because I mean,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of obvious faces there we could go
Speaker 5: with in New York. But I feel like the ceiling
Speaker 5: of this offense would be suddenly different and higher if
Speaker 5: you get a full, durable season of Darren Waller playing
Speaker 5: the way that we know Dan and I uh spent
Speaker 5: time with him when he was the broadcast boot camp
Speaker 5: two offseasons ago. In the flesh. He looks like a
Speaker 5: godlike specimen. It's just simply about staying healthy. I do
Speaker 5: trust this coaching staff and Brian Dable to use them correctly.
Speaker 5: They've got Daniel Bellinger as well, but that's two very
Speaker 5: dangerous tight ends if you and I think for this
Speaker 5: kind of offense and like they're gonna have Daniel Jones,
Speaker 5: they're treating him differently as a quarterback through the air,
Speaker 5: and that started to happen a little bit towards the
Speaker 5: end of last season. But I love the idea in
Speaker 5: this New York Giants offensive where you're getting the waller
Speaker 5: from a couple of years ago, that would be spicy.
Speaker 2: It's a huge year for him, I mean just because
Speaker 2: I think he can have a great second act in
Speaker 2: with the Giants. He's the best receiver on this team.
Speaker 2: But last year, you know, he struggled to stay how
Speaker 2: he needs to stay on the field. You want to
Speaker 2: start off strong and kind of be that dude because
Speaker 2: I think he can get a thousand yards in this offense.
Speaker 2: There's no reason why he can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to not make a specific because he's not
Speaker 3: Travis Kelce, right, but who says that there's some law
Speaker 3: that like your best receiver has to be a wide receiver, right,
Speaker 3: Like if just get the best eleven guys out there
Speaker 3: and make it.
Speaker 2: I mean he already was the best receiver on those
Speaker 2: Raiders teams, right, Who else was on him?
Speaker 1: Renfro, I mean he was.
Speaker 4: One of those four or five game changing tight ends.
Speaker 2: Nelson Ago was their number one every one year. That
Speaker 2: was weird.
Speaker 4: Yikes, and Patriot give.
Speaker 2: Him a lot of money. I am gonna go with
Speaker 2: DeVante Smith, Davonte Smith, I should say of the Eagles
Speaker 2: as my spicy player. I thought about Jalen Carter because
Speaker 2: I do want to see him. I listen the Birds
Speaker 2: with Friends, the podcast about the Eagles that the athletic
Speaker 2: puts together. They do a great job. If your interest
Speaker 2: check check them out. But Wolf Zach Berman and they
Speaker 2: talked about it's just a thought that maybe they didn't
Speaker 2: even get a slot receiver this offseason, almost because they
Speaker 2: want to keep Davanta and AJ Brown as happy as possible,
Speaker 2: and that they're actually a little conscious of that and
Speaker 2: making sure these two guys are both so good that
Speaker 2: they want to make sure they're getting them the ball
Speaker 2: a lot every week, and that they're both so competitive
Speaker 2: that they get so open that there's only so many
Speaker 2: balls to go around between those two and godd her
Speaker 2: and like you don't need more, and talking about our
Speaker 2: friend Matt Harmon and reception perception. He looked at Deavonta
Speaker 2: Smith's routes and like he wins everything in everywhere, every
Speaker 2: He is a superstar that could have superstar numbers, but
Speaker 2: he's playing next A J. Brown, so would be a
Speaker 2: little trickier. But I think the Eagles are conscious of
Speaker 2: that and they're just gonna make sure they keep these
Speaker 2: dudes happy because they're just the two best players, maybe
Speaker 2: on two of the best players on the team.
Speaker 3: It's just it does something to your offense to have
Speaker 3: two guys who can always get open and aj will
Speaker 3: make plays contested wise, and you can see Devonte make
Speaker 3: contested catches as well. But the ability to actually get
Speaker 3: open in your routes, whether it's zone, whether it's man,
Speaker 3: the entire route tree, it's you know, It's why those
Speaker 3: those body type and weight questions coming out into the
Speaker 3: draft were a little silly.
Speaker 5: Remember, like I'd pick the Eagles a lot down the stretch.
Speaker 5: I just enjoyed watching how they operated with zero mercy
Speaker 5: out of the gate, and when Brown and Smith would
Speaker 5: they would drop knockout punches on the opponent in the
Speaker 5: first quarter.
Speaker 2: He's also like he's strong, Like he's stronger than let's say,
Speaker 2: Jayalen Wattle, if you're going to compare the two, he's
Speaker 2: a strong even if he's a little lighter Washington. Let's
Speaker 2: wrap it up with the Commandos.
Speaker 3: Let's wrap it up with one scary Terry, who is
Speaker 3: a spicy player who is so consistent regardless of the
Speaker 3: quarterback play and the quarterback situation. And he's very even keeled,
Speaker 3: But I think that you know, shift your your perspective
Speaker 3: of spice to somebody who puts a feeling in defensive
Speaker 3: coordinators to where Terry McLaurin can break the game open.
Speaker 3: And if Sam Howell gets together, I think we can
Speaker 3: have a great Terry season.
Speaker 5: And look what he's done with essentially zero at quarterback,
Speaker 5: total chaos at quarterback, and if you look at their
Speaker 5: ross dru on offense, really both sides of the ball,
Speaker 5: there is a lot to like about Washington and I
Speaker 5: struggle to believe that the coaching staff will even be
Speaker 5: there a year from now, depending on what happens, or
Speaker 5: especially what happens at quarterback. But mclaurin's done it wired
Speaker 5: to wire with terrible quarterback play.
Speaker 2: Well, I always remember that. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was a Thursday night game we watched over at Keith's
Speaker 2: old place with Chris and it was a Washington game,
Speaker 2: and he was a huge McLaurin guy from the beginning,
Speaker 2: saying just like this, dude's the truth. He's a true
Speaker 2: number one. He's going to be a star. So as
Speaker 2: we wrap up here in the Chris was Westling podcast studio,
Speaker 2: he had eyes on mcluurin, you're right, like his play
Speaker 2: is spicy, him being a pro, and not like complaining
Speaker 2: who cares his plays?
Speaker 3: Ye, every every reason to complain he does.
Speaker 2: I know, Washington, you set me up last week Mark
Speaker 2: to like talk about how they're when we were talking
Speaker 2: projected starters, how balanced their rosters, and I kind of
Speaker 2: I didn't really hit it right. I wish I had said, like,
Speaker 2: they look like a good roster. They I don't know
Speaker 2: about the quarterback thing, but like if it was if
Speaker 2: you put a good quarterback on that team, you'd be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is a.
Speaker 3: Team, let's see it, Sam, it's a big show us.
Speaker 2: We did it. We picked the spicy.
Speaker 1: Thirty two teams.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've ever done a thirty two team
Speaker 2: thing in a single show, so that's breaking ground. Maybe,
Speaker 2: well we do it.
Speaker 3: Well, you're right.
Speaker 2: I like to just say things, uh and not fact check.
Speaker 1: I can't think of an instance.
Speaker 5: It's an odd it's an odd thing to attempt to
Speaker 5: do in the in the first week of June.
Speaker 2: But I'm proud. I think it's good. I think it's good.
Speaker 2: It gives a little something for everyone, and it's spicy
Speaker 2: and we got Randy Chavez involved, Spicy got Eric Roberts involved,
Speaker 2: and uh, we'll keep an eye on these mini camps
Speaker 2: this week and we'll be back on Thursday. Patrick, enjoy
Speaker 2: the rest of your week.
Speaker 1: I will, thanks gys.
Speaker 2: Look Dan back in the studio. Who knows, Maybe maybe
Speaker 2: colleenos thinking we bug her before the summer of Connie
Speaker 2: truly starts for Eric, for Randy, for Mark and Patrick
Speaker 2: heat the call