Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you
Speaker 1: the wildest true escape stories of all time. Today's story
Speaker 1: goes into a truly dark chapter of Hollywood history, only
Speaker 1: this time we're talking about the crimes and the escapes.
Speaker 1: They usually don't hear about A'marto Castro. And for this one,
Speaker 1: I have to bring in the incredible actress and voiceover
Speaker 1: artists and queen of Miami.
Speaker 2: It's Amy Carrero. Amy Carrero.
Speaker 3: Should I just use my normal Miami accent or why?
Speaker 1: I just like, so, let's fucking do it, Like just
Speaker 1: say the three or five is present, an accountant present.
Speaker 3: But you know what, we actually met way before the Menu.
Speaker 1: That's true. Remember that we were doing phone banking, Yeah,
Speaker 1: live on ABC or whatever.
Speaker 4: Good Morning America, that's what it was. Yeah, And we
Speaker 4: were sat next to each other.
Speaker 1: That's right. And I remember I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we saw John Lee. Guizamo was one of the main guys.
Speaker 1: I'll see you in about ten years in a movie
Speaker 1: called The Menu.
Speaker 3: John like Guizamo the Menu, right, right, So that was
Speaker 3: my intro.
Speaker 1: And look how far we've come. Now we're in a
Speaker 1: podcast together. Wow, this is great.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: Amy. What do you consider to be your greatest escape.
Speaker 3: It happened Christmas twenty twenty one.
Speaker 4: I was by myself and my husband Tim had gone
Speaker 4: to Egypt with his family for Christmas.
Speaker 3: Are marriage Isakay.
Speaker 4: I was doing a TV show at the time, and
Speaker 4: it was like right after Christmas. We'd had these Egypt
Speaker 4: tickets booked, and.
Speaker 3: I was like, you should just go.
Speaker 4: I couldn't go, like, you know, I had to work whatever.
Speaker 4: So I stayed in secretly like ooh, this is nice
Speaker 4: to get the house to myself. So I was walking
Speaker 4: the dog and I know my neighborhood obviously really well.
Speaker 4: I've lived here like almost ten years. And I turned
Speaker 4: around and there was this all like blacks, like a
Speaker 4: black sedan and the front mirror was blacked out, and
Speaker 4: I remember thinking it was really strange.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you see that in Los Angeles, right.
Speaker 3: Like the front mirror right.
Speaker 4: So I turned around. The car was there and it
Speaker 4: must have pulled up and it wasn't like a hybrid,
Speaker 4: but I didn't hear it. And so I was walking
Speaker 4: the dog and it was just kind of.
Speaker 3: In a weird spot.
Speaker 4: I live kind of like in an area where there's
Speaker 4: not a lot of cars that stop. It's just like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's strange to estrae of that to happen.
Speaker 4: So I was like, you know what, I'm not going
Speaker 4: to go back to my house because I don't want
Speaker 4: this person to know where I lived, just in case.
Speaker 3: So I like, I like went up the hill.
Speaker 4: Because I live in the hills, nice little side, no there, Yeah, And.
Speaker 3: I was gone for like thirty minutes. I ran into
Speaker 3: a neighbor.
Speaker 4: I started talking to the neighbor blah blah blah, and
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, the car's probably gone. So I'm
Speaker 4: going back down this hill to turn to the street
Speaker 4: where I live. But my house is like six houses
Speaker 4: down right. So I'm like turning and there's this intersection.
Speaker 4: So I'm here with my dog and that car is
Speaker 4: like going like passing, and he sees me and stops
Speaker 4: and pulls over. Whoa, And there was this other car
Speaker 4: that was like I guess maybe like with that car.
Speaker 3: It was like this Lexus car and there was a.
Speaker 4: Woman in it, like a Latin woman in it because
Speaker 4: I know my fellow mommy's yeah, and she stopped behind him.
Speaker 3: So this car pulls over. She pulls over behind him.
Speaker 4: Luckily, there's like this mass of dudes that are like
Speaker 4: riding bike.
Speaker 3: It's like literally it's.
Speaker 4: Like Christmas Day and I got, say one on a
Speaker 4: Christmas Day bike ride, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: thank god. So I like scooch in where they are
Speaker 4: and I run back home, locked the door. And I
Speaker 4: ended up spending like four nights in a hotel after
Speaker 4: that because I'm like, I'm gonna walk my dog if
Speaker 4: so get this. This is like comes full circle. So
Speaker 4: like two days later, I was watching the news and
Speaker 4: I saw that there had been like a dog kidnapping
Speaker 4: in West Hollywood what And they had video of it
Speaker 4: and the owner was dracked because his like jacket got
Speaker 4: caught onto the door, so he was dragged.
Speaker 3: And I saw it and what do I see?
Speaker 4: But this blacked out no like Nissan or Sedan whatever
Speaker 4: it was right, Yeah, So I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: I called the LAPD. I was like, I figured, oh
Speaker 3: what artist.
Speaker 4: I didn't get the license plate obviously, so it was
Speaker 4: useless information that I gave him, But I.
Speaker 1: Was like, you just wanted to feel hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, I narrowly escaped with my.
Speaker 1: Dog Wow, how scary. Well, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: sharing that with us. Amy. Now, are you ready to
Speaker 1: hear some fucking crazy escape?
Speaker 3: I'm ready?
Speaker 1: What's rock and roll? So it's December twenty third, nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty seven, and at Alderson Federal Prison in West Virginia,
Speaker 1: a routine betcheck raised the alarm. Lynette from was missing
Speaker 1: from Yes, she had just turned thirty nine, but thank
Speaker 1: you for that. Ben Bub was missing from bromb. She
Speaker 1: had just turned thirty nine, but she had spent twelve
Speaker 1: of those years in prison for crimes that made national headlines.
Speaker 3: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: People had been discussing Lynette's life choices since nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: nine because she was also a diehard follower of Charles
Speaker 1: Manson Give me the music again, Ben, she.
Speaker 4: I should have known as a Charles Manson follower because
Speaker 4: she was like, I mean this is a child criminal,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know criminal. She's only thirty nine, she's
Speaker 4: been in jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you heard of her before, Lynette?
Speaker 4: No, I've heard of like the crank Winkle and texts
Speaker 4: and like the other ones that were like a rest
Speaker 4: for the murders, but I don't I'd never heard of her.
Speaker 1: Well, Lynette had actually lived such a wild life before
Speaker 1: she was locked up, and that's where we're going to
Speaker 1: get into today. Okayat but two days before Christmas in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, why wasn't Lynette in her cell? So
Speaker 1: the guard scrambled to ask the other inmates when they
Speaker 1: had last seeing Lynette, and they all said that it
Speaker 1: was just before nine pm. That means that when guard
Speaker 1: started looking, Lynette had been gone for less than an hour.
Speaker 1: Her disappearance mystified the person officials. They had no idea
Speaker 1: when she had slipped away or how she got out.
Speaker 1: The prison itself was super remote. It was about twelve
Speaker 1: miles to the nearest down in southeastern West Virginia. It
Speaker 1: held almost a thousand women, including many under what they
Speaker 1: called maximum guard.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask, was this like a max prison?
Speaker 4: Like, what's the situation maximum guard?
Speaker 1: So basically, it should have been really hard for Lynette
Speaker 1: to escape. The officers searched all the prison buildings but
Speaker 1: couldn't find any sign of her. There are also no
Speaker 1: holes in the prison fencing or any sign of how
Speaker 1: she got past the barbier. Who the fuck knows. Then
Speaker 1: federal agents were called in for the hunt, but they
Speaker 1: really didn't have much to go on, you know, because
Speaker 1: weirdly enough, prisoners at Alderson were not required to wear uniforms.
Speaker 1: I mean, well then it's.
Speaker 3: Not a maximum guard. What are we doing here? Were?
Speaker 1: They just like encouraged to like express themselves. They're like,
Speaker 1: how are we feeling today? You guys?
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna wear a crocheted haulter? Yeah, what
Speaker 3: the hell?
Speaker 1: The description given to local residents said that she had
Speaker 1: been last wearing a green army jacket, khaki pants and
Speaker 1: a pension for danger no and a red checkered bandana.
Speaker 3: Right, that's like a very fashionable outfit.
Speaker 1: Like what I know, she just like slapped it on.
Speaker 1: That's like a good brunch outfit, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm gonna go out, but in case I
Speaker 1: have an impromptu brunch meeting, I'm just gonna wear this red.
Speaker 1: And the main thing was that she had freckles and
Speaker 1: blazing red hair, so they.
Speaker 4: Had hair dye at the fucking prison, or maybe she
Speaker 4: was a natural red.
Speaker 1: No, there it was a spot, right, I believe it's
Speaker 1: just so this isn't fair to gingers though. I mean,
Speaker 1: imagine you're just another local West Virginia, thirty nine year
Speaker 1: old with red hair and a closet full of army jackets, Like,
Speaker 1: how would you feel bad? You don't have redheads not
Speaker 1: been through enough? And Caucasians in general, have they not
Speaker 1: been through enough?
Speaker 3: Just give white people a chance, give them a break.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing with Gingers.
Speaker 4: They have to go through the life as Gingers, and
Speaker 4: you know that's hard enough.
Speaker 3: I mean, I bought the Prince Harry book. Like we're
Speaker 3: reading it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, Like that's your defense for like
Speaker 1: whenever you're like are you hating on Gingers, You're like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I have the Prince Harry book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So
Speaker 1: tips started flowing in. Apparently she had been spotted nearby many,
Speaker 1: many times. But as teams of officers started to investigate
Speaker 1: the sightings, they found that all of them were cases
Speaker 1: of mistake and identity.
Speaker 3: How many redheads?
Speaker 1: Was, yeah, what the fuck? Were like match the description.
Speaker 3: And Appalachia like they were like.
Speaker 1: It was a massive exodus from Ireland.
Speaker 3: Oh that's so weird.
Speaker 1: Gingers were just being handed over to the police left
Speaker 1: and right for questioning, which is truly truly hilarious. Being like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, man, like I am literally the girl from Wendy's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like fucking leave me alone?
Speaker 4: Right right?
Speaker 3: Right? What did I do? What is my crime? Make
Speaker 3: a ginger?
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. So more than one hundred agents swept
Speaker 1: the woods and hills around the prison, using dogs to
Speaker 1: try to pick up Lynnett's trail, but two days later
Speaker 1: they still hadn't come up with any trace. Ever, the
Speaker 1: prison warden said, okay, get this, that the dogs were
Speaker 1: hampered by the dampness and rocky soil, plus they were
Speaker 1: feeling like really emotionally unavailable, you know, because like mercury
Speaker 1: is in the third house or in.
Speaker 3: A mental health day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, small time bullshit like this was definitely not going
Speaker 1: to cut it, because actually it might not have been
Speaker 1: all that hard for Lynette to get out, especially since
Speaker 1: there had been fifteen escapes from Alderson in just three years. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: They were like, dress what you wanted, do what you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have excursions, so you guys come back
Speaker 1: whenever you're ready. Though, if you were if you were
Speaker 1: the warden though, and you're at the press conference, how
Speaker 1: would you try to spin this? Oh?
Speaker 3: I would just quit?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just be like, I don't believe in
Speaker 4: the prison system. Buy yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no spinning this.
Speaker 1: I wonder how Miami Major would do this? So like
Speaker 1: it li isten't everybody? Okay? People would escape? What do
Speaker 1: you want me to do?
Speaker 4: Me?
Speaker 3: What happens? Okay? Look, I had a really bad day.
Speaker 3: My stomach was hurting. I went to the bathroom and
Speaker 3: she was gone, that's.
Speaker 1: It, that's see. What do you want me to do
Speaker 1: about it? Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sorry how it is?
Speaker 1: And then we're playing Okay, why don't you worry about
Speaker 1: your life?
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. So did she commit one
Speaker 3: of the murders or she was just like an accessory?
Speaker 3: Like what was coming about? Do we know?
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna blow your mind with this? All right?
Speaker 1: The officials hunting for Lynette weren't laughing, right, So word
Speaker 1: went out to the agencies in all fifty states. The
Speaker 1: US Marshalls started talking to everyone who had recently been
Speaker 1: in touch with her, and the headlines just bam hit
Speaker 1: the papers. Right, it was December twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1: So Merry Christmas for Lisa to you America.
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, Lynette.
Speaker 1: That's right, Lynette from is free and she might be
Speaker 1: headed to a house near you. Also, what a Tim
Speaker 1: Burton Night member before Christmas? Little song there been? I
Speaker 1: was like I wanted to keep going with that. I
Speaker 1: was like, cozying up.
Speaker 3: I know, I really love that sound.
Speaker 1: So in fact, when word went up the chain the
Speaker 1: Lynette had escaped federal custody, the message reached all the
Speaker 1: way to the White House and the Secret Service was
Speaker 1: put on notice. Yeah, they even tightened up security around
Speaker 1: the president for fuck's sake, because the reason Lynette was
Speaker 1: in prison in the first place, it was a really
Speaker 1: serious one.
Speaker 3: Oh okay.
Speaker 1: She had been locked up for a failed attempt to
Speaker 1: assassinate Don Don Don, the precedent of the United States.
Speaker 4: Oh what, okay, Yeah, that's a plot twist.
Speaker 3: Did she get close like what? Or did she just
Speaker 3: think about.
Speaker 1: It and then like I'm about to tell you Okay, Okay.
Speaker 1: So you know how Lynette was a follower of Charles Manson, Right, Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go all the way back to Manson's earliest
Speaker 1: days as a cult leader, because Lynette was actually his
Speaker 1: second recruit.
Speaker 3: Okay, so she got in on the ground floor. She
Speaker 3: was like I want in.
Speaker 1: She became like the cornerstone of the Manson family. So
Speaker 1: do you know, do you know much about the Manson family?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed.
Speaker 4: There's actually a tour in Los Angeles called the Dearly
Speaker 4: Departed Tour and it's about like weird ducks.
Speaker 3: Dude, I took this fucking tour alone, and you can go.
Speaker 3: They take you up to the house. I know enough
Speaker 3: about Itello Drive. Yeah, but now they changed the name.
Speaker 4: It's something else not but like but yeah, they'll take
Speaker 4: you up there. But I know, I think I know,
Speaker 4: maybe just like a skosh more than most people. But
Speaker 4: I'd never heard of this one, so maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 4: not as let me.
Speaker 1: Give you some details on it. So Lynett's intro to
Speaker 1: Charles Manson takes us back a couple of decades. In
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, Lynette was eighteen and she'd been recently
Speaker 1: kicked out by her parents for promiscuity. She probably like
Speaker 1: cooked up with two guys or something.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like, how was she had
Speaker 4: a wop okay and she had wopp okay.
Speaker 3: I worked with this woman. You could just tell in
Speaker 3: the sixties she was fucking killing it.
Speaker 4: And she was telling me the story that she moved
Speaker 4: to Venice Beach and she was approached by the Manson family.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, dude, and that was like her great escape start.
Speaker 4: She never like went to like a very I think
Speaker 4: she got weird vibes for immediately.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the kind of cute girls like the
Speaker 1: living in Venice Beach didn't get approached by a Manson family.
Speaker 1: They'd be like, so, what's it about me that you
Speaker 1: didn't like? You know, there's super selcustable right right?
Speaker 3: Was I not like blonde enough? But she you could
Speaker 3: just touch she like even as an older woman. Now
Speaker 3: you look at her and you're like, oh.
Speaker 1: Oh, you would have fucking you destroyed hearts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean she's still killing it. But back then
Speaker 4: it was like burr. So, I think Venice Beach was
Speaker 4: like ground zero for recruitment. But she got weird vibes
Speaker 4: from you know them well.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Charles brought her back to the house where he
Speaker 1: was living at the time with his first partner, and
Speaker 1: together the three of them started growing the Manson family.
Speaker 1: Now by most reports, Lynnette became the family's main recruiter.
Speaker 1: Right She would find other young isolated women introduce them
Speaker 1: to Charles and bring them into the fold.
Speaker 3: That's creepy.
Speaker 1: Things started to change for the growing Manson family the
Speaker 1: next year, Wow quick, yeah, yeah, they were picked up
Speaker 1: by none other than Dennis Wilson, the drummer of the
Speaker 1: Beach Boys. Yeah. As the story goes, the women told
Speaker 1: Dennis about Charles Manson, their spirit leader and teacher, and
Speaker 1: Dennis was curious and said he would like to meet
Speaker 1: Manson sometime, right, But he was in for a surprise
Speaker 1: because the next time Dennis came home, he opened his
Speaker 1: door to find that Charles Manson was already in his house.
Speaker 3: Okay, call the cops. What are we doing here? We
Speaker 3: could have saved all these lives.
Speaker 1: Bad vibration, bad vibration, getting the creep fiund this fucking guy.
Speaker 1: So if this is you at this point, are you
Speaker 1: writing the vibes or are you going to the cops?
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: No, man, well it depends. Look it was nineteen sixties.
Speaker 4: Everybody was probably super high, so it's like, okay, this
Speaker 4: is cool exactly.
Speaker 1: You hit it on the head. Dennis and Charles just
Speaker 1: smoked some weed together and who knows what Charles said,
Speaker 1: but Dennis was super charmed. Right now, Oh, is that
Speaker 1: a bong sound that you? Yeah? Sorry, I just I
Speaker 1: needed to take a rip. I was like, is that
Speaker 1: a sound in my house? It didn't take long for
Speaker 1: Dennis to invite Charles, Lynnette and the rest of the
Speaker 1: family to move into his house on Senset Boulevard.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait wait, they moved in.
Speaker 1: They moved in with Dennis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So for a little while least Lynnette found herself literally
Speaker 1: living in the mansion of one of the Beach Boys.
Speaker 1: And this is when listen, they were at the top
Speaker 1: of their fucking game, right the sixties. I mean, if
Speaker 1: this was today, whose house would you be moving into
Speaker 1: if you had a choice, If you're in.
Speaker 4: A cult, for sure, I'd move into like Taylor Swift's
Speaker 4: like penthouse in Tribecca, Like that's we want the tippy top.
Speaker 1: I want to go to Madonna's house and just be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: how do we live forever? Let's figure this fucking thing out.
Speaker 1: Hang upside down? Yeah, I'm like, so who do we sacrifice?
Speaker 1: That's it? Yeah? And I was like, do you believe
Speaker 1: in life after love?
Speaker 3: I do believe in that facelift, tiny bun.
Speaker 1: So Charles Manson had major ambitions to the music industry, right,
Speaker 1: We obviously don't because we've just been talking about the
Speaker 1: icons of the music industry. So we'll never make it
Speaker 1: a music but fuck it. Yeah, it seemed like this
Speaker 1: new connection to the Beach Voice was his big ticket.
Speaker 1: But after getting in with Dennis, things didn't go that smoothly.
Speaker 1: You know. The Beach Boys were kind of a family
Speaker 1: band for the three Wilson brothers, and it seemed like
Speaker 1: Dennis was the only one who really liked Charles. The
Speaker 1: others thought he was pretty fucking creepy and try to
Speaker 1: keep him at a distance. Smart And actually, when we
Speaker 1: were getting ready for this episode, we discovered an old
Speaker 1: recording that the Wilson brothers must have written about Charles Ben.
Speaker 1: Can you play this whole tape? Yeah, let me put
Speaker 1: it or you have a tape player.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an old cassette press play here.
Speaker 1: A little creepy, A little creepy, dude. You know you
Speaker 1: got a shot. You're a little bit like a mouse
Speaker 1: pro This guy is weird. To get him out of
Speaker 1: your house.
Speaker 3: He may seem chill because he smokes.
Speaker 2: A ton of good bud.
Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of weapons and flop. He's a
Speaker 1: little creepy little craby. Oh god, oh my god. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's my autobiography. Dude, that Ben created that song just
Speaker 1: for this episode.
Speaker 3: Let's whose voice is that?
Speaker 1: A man that's been to mine?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 1: That's the Beach Boys. I don't know you guys are
Speaker 1: talking to Oh my god, man, that was fucking gold.
Speaker 1: I want to keep that forever, fucking gold. I'm still
Speaker 1: not over the fact that there was a lyric that
Speaker 1: said in a murderous plot, yeah, in a Beach Boys background,
Speaker 1: I will tear that forever good. So one day in
Speaker 1: the recording studio, right, Manson pulled a knife on a
Speaker 1: producer who suggested changing some of his lyrics. So that
Speaker 1: was kind of the final straw for the rest of
Speaker 1: the Wilson brothers. He finally convinced Dennis to kick Charles,
Speaker 1: Lynnette and the rest of the Manson family out of
Speaker 1: his house. Yeah. So that September, the Beach Boys did
Speaker 1: record a revised version of a song by Charles.
Speaker 3: Can you believe oh so he wrote the song or
Speaker 3: what so?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they recorded a revised version of one of
Speaker 1: his songs. So apparently Dennis had changed the song and
Speaker 1: even gave it a new name. Manson had called the
Speaker 1: song ceased to Exist, and Dennis Wilson called it never
Speaker 1: learned not to love? That is what I fucking call Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also none of these also like.
Speaker 3: So different, like he exist, I want to kill on
Speaker 3: the other ones like Lass.
Speaker 1: But then after the whole night thing, do you even
Speaker 1: dare to steal someone's work like that?
Speaker 4: I bet he was real pissed. Fuck no, I get
Speaker 4: me out of here, and I'm calling the cops. I
Speaker 4: don't even like the cops. I'm gonna call the cops.
Speaker 4: They could have saved you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 4: murders just just don't go from like smoking weed to
Speaker 4: like murder. It's like there are there were signs along
Speaker 4: the way.
Speaker 1: Like what happened? Yeah? Yah, So two smooth things over
Speaker 1: with Charles. Apparently, Dennis gave him some cash and a motorcycle.
Speaker 1: After about a year of living with Manson, Lynette moved
Speaker 1: with the whole family to a desert ranch outside of
Speaker 1: la and by then the Manson family had grown to
Speaker 1: five men and thirteen women. Now. The owner of the ranch,
Speaker 1: George Spawn, had been a dairy farman in his younger days,
Speaker 1: but by this point he was mostly blind and had
Speaker 1: trouble doing the work of maintaining the buildings in the
Speaker 1: land overlords. How did they meet this, George? Do we know?
Speaker 1: There was a mechanic who lived on the ranch, and
Speaker 1: Manson had gone there to see if he could fix
Speaker 1: the Colt bus, But as soon as he arrived, he
Speaker 1: realized what he really wanted was to move in to
Speaker 1: George Spawn Spawn rancho. Of course, they had a fucking
Speaker 1: busser right in the sixties, could even be called if
Speaker 1: you didn't have a bus to drive around.
Speaker 3: He needed that bus.
Speaker 4: He needed the bus needed to be barefoot, and you
Speaker 4: needed like lots of dirty things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So Famously, the ranch had previously been
Speaker 1: a movie set. It was fifty five acres dotted with
Speaker 1: buildings that had been used to film episodes of The
Speaker 1: Lone Ranger and Bonanza and a bunch of Bee Liss westerns. Right,
Speaker 1: but by the nineteen fifties, George Spawn mostly made his
Speaker 1: money renting out horses. His deal with the Manson family
Speaker 1: was that they would move into the property and help
Speaker 1: him out with the horses. And actually this wasn't that odd.
Speaker 1: For him, because the ranch had already been home to
Speaker 1: a bunch of out of work stuntmen and ranch hands
Speaker 1: who lived there for free in exchange for taking care
Speaker 1: of the animals. Does this seem like an extremely weird
Speaker 1: or bad idea to you or is this like Hollywood normal?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 3: No, this is a bad idea.
Speaker 4: But do you remember, I mean, it's hard to get
Speaker 4: the image out of my head because in that Quentin
Speaker 4: Tarantina movie Once upon a Time in Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Did you see that movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 4: They have a George Spawn character which is Bruce Dern
Speaker 4: and he's like in that backhouse or whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it seems like real fucked up. But people were hitchhiking
Speaker 4: back then, like it was just a different time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was a little more running got him. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I think that maybe people weren't as like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: thinking people were horrible.
Speaker 3: I guess, I don't know. But which changed with.
Speaker 1: The Manson family, I think a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're like peace and love.
Speaker 4: Hippies are peace and love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and peace and love was still the reputation when
Speaker 1: the family moved to the ranch. Now, Charles Manson was
Speaker 1: ahead of the family, but it's pretty clear that Lynnette
Speaker 1: was the one behind the scenes keeping the family organized.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She did whatever paperwork the family needed, and you know,
Speaker 1: helped them paperwork. Yeah, paperwork. Guess So, how many sexual
Speaker 1: favors are we handing out today? Okay? And how much
Speaker 1: marijuana help? That fucking that excel chard must have looked
Speaker 1: fucking weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd blowdrop for a dime back.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so weird for sure. Speaking of which,
Speaker 1: she helped them actually get to the doctor when the
Speaker 1: SDI spread through the group, which was obviously pretty frequent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were right smack in the middle of the sexual
Speaker 1: revolution thanks to the invention of the pill. But groups
Speaker 1: like Manson could obviously weren't protecting themselves. So for George,
Speaker 1: she cleaned up the house, got it painted, kicked out
Speaker 1: the cowboys, and started helping with meals and other daily
Speaker 1: routines as he got to know each other. Oh god,
Speaker 1: this is so fucked up. George gave nicknames to the
Speaker 1: women in the Manson family, right. He called Lynnettes Squeaky
Speaker 1: for the way that she would react when he pinched
Speaker 1: her like what a gross old man way to give
Speaker 1: somebody a nickname.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, now here we go.
Speaker 4: Even though he was almost blind, you know, I think
Speaker 4: he probably wanted to have young women around him, and
Speaker 4: clearly he was pinching their asses and shit.
Speaker 3: So he was a dog.
Speaker 1: So the most relacious stories say that the Manson family
Speaker 1: women offered George sexual favors to stay on the ranch,
Speaker 1: and they called Squeaky his de facto wife.
Speaker 3: Listen, they committed murder, for sure.
Speaker 1: There were some you know, hey, somebody's got a pay rent.
Speaker 4: You pay another way, ask cash or guess no one
Speaker 4: read I see.
Speaker 1: So Squeaky has said that she didn't have a sexual
Speaker 1: relationship with Spawn, but Manson was preaching a kind of
Speaker 1: free love approach to sex. So honestly, at this point,
Speaker 1: it's hard to fucking know whether she did or she didn't.
Speaker 1: And you know, let's not get romantic about what Charles
Speaker 1: Manson was teaching, for example, his helter skelter message. If
Speaker 1: you know much about this story, which I know you do,
Speaker 1: you probably know that by this point he was teaching
Speaker 1: that there was going to be a race war coming
Speaker 1: that would pit white and black Americans against each other.
Speaker 1: Manson said that the white Americans would lose, but then
Speaker 1: he and his family would be able to hiden the desert,
Speaker 1: and once the rest of the whites were slaughtered, he
Speaker 1: would emerge and rule over the non white population. Oh,
Speaker 1: for fuck's sake, this is both super racist and extremely narcissistic.
Speaker 3: Dude, nobody talks about the races.
Speaker 1: He couldn't even get a record off the ground, asshole.
Speaker 1: But how does his rank in the most illusionable cult
Speaker 1: stories you've heard? It's pretty up there.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that I think you have to be delusion.
Speaker 3: That's like requirement number one is to be.
Speaker 1: Delusional sense of grandeur.
Speaker 4: He was probably had some fucking hitler fantasies and shit.
Speaker 4: But it's funny because nobody ever brings up the racial
Speaker 4: aspect of the Charles Manson thing.
Speaker 1: No, and also at the time they used it so
Speaker 1: much as like I guess square Americans used it as
Speaker 1: proof of look, fucking hippies are fucking and their murderers
Speaker 1: motherfuckers say really, yeah, yeah, kicked off a dark period
Speaker 1: for trust of free spirited people.
Speaker 3: I guess, right, right, right right.
Speaker 1: Manson's fantasies of world power were obviously fucking bananas, but
Speaker 1: when things would get in his way, he would absolutely
Speaker 1: lose his shit. Like when a couple of drug deals
Speaker 1: to the family went bad, Charles started using the members
Speaker 1: of the family as an attack squad, and that's when
Speaker 1: they started killing people. Now, at first it was a
Speaker 1: couple of isolated murders that the cops couldn't solve. But
Speaker 1: in the spring of nineteen sixty nine, a music producer
Speaker 1: refused to sign Manson to record contract.
Speaker 4: Was this the music producer that then rented the house
Speaker 4: to Roman Pelanski.
Speaker 1: And Share you go, There you Go? So what comes next?
Speaker 1: Were the infamous murders on back to back nights, right, So,
Speaker 1: first were the killings of Sharon Tates house. Right, she
Speaker 1: had moved into the house where the record producer used
Speaker 1: to live exactly, they killed her along with another four
Speaker 1: people in her house. And then the next night, Manson
Speaker 1: said he was going to show his killers how to
Speaker 1: do it right, they randomly picked the house in a
Speaker 1: familiar neighborhood and killed the couple living there.
Speaker 3: An older couple.
Speaker 4: But you know what I think too, this was crazy
Speaker 4: And I don't know if this is like action really
Speaker 4: true or it was just in the movie I read somewhere,
Speaker 4: but I thought that Charles Manson actually went to that
Speaker 4: house where Sharon Tate was staying and was like, I
Speaker 4: want to talk to Roger of whatever the name of
Speaker 4: the of the music producer was, and like Jay Sebring,
Speaker 4: who was like was Sharentate's friend that was staying with her,
Speaker 4: was like, oh, no, he doesn't live here anymore. So
Speaker 4: they knew that they didn't live there anymore, and they
Speaker 4: still killed the people in that house.
Speaker 1: Right. I do know that he knew that the producer
Speaker 1: lived there. I don't know if he had that interaction
Speaker 1: with Jay, but they definitely.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he had the conversation, but I
Speaker 4: know that they found him in the back house one day,
Speaker 4: like he was lurking, he was creeping, and they were
Speaker 4: like the fuck.
Speaker 3: Out of here.
Speaker 1: So the story has been told a lot of times, right,
Speaker 1: So we won't go into detail about the Sharon Tate murders.
Speaker 1: But for Squeaky, the important part was what happened when
Speaker 1: they were finally linked to the Manson family. They took
Speaker 1: a little time, but the Manson family was already in
Speaker 1: trouble with the law. Yeah, so the cous that arrived
Speaker 1: at the ranch a week after the murders, but they
Speaker 1: were looking for stolen vehicles, so they smashed up the
Speaker 1: ranch and arrested the entire Manson family for grand theft auto,
Speaker 1: but they had to drop the charges for a few months.
Speaker 1: It seemed like the family had actually gone away with
Speaker 1: all their crimes. And we can't even be completely sure
Speaker 1: that Squeaky knew about the murders. But could you fucking
Speaker 1: believe that she didn't know anything at this point? Like,
Speaker 1: of course she did. She was like number two. So
Speaker 1: two months later, the cops came back and arrested everyone again,
Speaker 1: and this time the cops were actually able to make
Speaker 1: the car robbery charge a stick to a few of
Speaker 1: the family members. But while they were locked up, one
Speaker 1: of the women, named Susan Atkins started bragging to the
Speaker 1: other prisoners that she and the family had committed the
Speaker 1: mysterious murders. Okay, so murderers are always bragging, right, Like.
Speaker 3: If this was why we Don't get me.
Speaker 1: Wrong, I'm happy that they got caught, but why are
Speaker 1: they always going to other people in jail?
Speaker 3: Be Like, you know, she named her ass squeaky. She
Speaker 3: she's a loose cannon.
Speaker 1: I mean she's a squeaky wheeler that you need to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, Loose lips sink ships, and that's what happened there.
Speaker 1: So it was so by December Susan di Tattletale had
Speaker 1: to deal with the police. Plus her lawyer had in
Speaker 1: fact actually gotten her a book contract. Her testimony before
Speaker 1: the grand jury about the murders splashed into the newspaper.
Speaker 1: It even became the cover of Life magazine. Now, the
Speaker 1: five members of the Manson family who committed the murders
Speaker 1: were convicted and sentenced to death. The rest of the
Speaker 1: cult didn't really have a plan, so they scattered across California.
Speaker 1: Now squeak he moved into a motel with another member
Speaker 1: and they tried to figure out how to support Manson
Speaker 1: through his trials. Yep, she even answered the letters that
Speaker 1: were sent to him, saying that he was innocent and
Speaker 1: that he was being crucified by the authorities who didn't
Speaker 1: want him to remake the world. Personally, I'm not team
Speaker 1: let Charles Manson rule the world. Like what, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you feel about this.
Speaker 3: It's a bad idea, It's fucking terrible. No thanks.
Speaker 4: And then there were people that were like fans of his, like,
Speaker 4: you know, some bitch married him in jail.
Speaker 1: Here's some sick people out there. Also that he tried
Speaker 1: to spin it as in like there's this ideological race war,
Speaker 1: where all it really was was he was sending his
Speaker 1: followers to like revenge kill somebody that thought they didn't
Speaker 1: give him a fucking contract.
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm not not to boil it down to something
Speaker 4: like so reductive, but like I think part of the reason,
Speaker 4: like Hitler had a fucking like whatever he fucked up
Speaker 4: shit he had in his mind because he was like
Speaker 4: a failed artist, you know what I mean, And then
Speaker 4: he got really angry and then just and it became
Speaker 4: this whole other thing.
Speaker 1: Some small, fragile men tend to once give him power,
Speaker 1: they tend to fucking take it out of the world.
Speaker 4: They get rejected and then they're just like, well, now
Speaker 4: I'm just going to be a mass murderer. And I
Speaker 4: think that that's uh, you know, with Charles Manson, it
Speaker 4: was like he was, you know, rejected, the.
Speaker 1: Feeling of inadequacy just like yeah, he was like he
Speaker 1: had a power in his little bubble and he abused it.
Speaker 1: And I hope your rots in fucking hell for the
Speaker 1: rest of his eternity.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's in there. He's in half for sure.
Speaker 1: So in the fall of nineteen seventy a wildfire burned
Speaker 1: through the Spawn ranch and anyone who still had dreams
Speaker 1: of reviving the Manson family would have to find somewhere
Speaker 1: else to do it. Oh, are we in a spy novel?
Speaker 4: Is this? Yes? This is the James Bond seventies part
Speaker 4: of it sounds like it.
Speaker 1: Charles Manson was sent to death row at Saint Quentin Prison.
Speaker 1: Now outside Squeaky started working on a book telling the
Speaker 1: story of the Manson family. Lynnette felt that the whole
Speaker 1: trial had been stage managed by the authorities to give
Speaker 1: the wrong impression about Manson, and she still wanted to
Speaker 1: recruit new members to their way of life.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in prison, Charles Manson was kind of undermining her
Speaker 1: at every turn because he was currently joining the Aryan Brotherhood,
Speaker 1: which is a white supremacist prison gang, which was a
Speaker 1: shock to absolutely fucking no one.
Speaker 3: No one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of hard to get the wrong impression about that, right,
Speaker 1: Like they say, you're advicetander in the nineteen seventies. Is
Speaker 1: there anything in the world Lynette could do that would
Speaker 1: change her mind.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, it happens now too. It's like people tell
Speaker 4: you who they are. They show you who they are
Speaker 4: over and over and over. You could literally have a picture,
Speaker 4: you know, with like a Grand Wizard of the KKKA and.
Speaker 3: People were like, well that was just I don't know,
Speaker 3: like is he reads not? We don't know if he's racing.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like people are just making up stories.
Speaker 1: It's incredible what people are able to fucking deny, Like
Speaker 1: the denial that people can go into.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, rationalize the way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's funny because it's like she drank the kool aid,
Speaker 4: but she also made the kool aid too, so.
Speaker 3: She was in too deep. She was never getting out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The deal that Manson struck with the Aran Brotherhood
Speaker 1: was a trade. They would protect him inside the prison
Speaker 1: and then on the outside, the Manson family would look
Speaker 1: after the gang members. Okay, So members of the Manson
Speaker 1: family even helped an Arian Brotherhood member escape from prison
Speaker 1: in August nineteen seventy one, and Squeaky's roommate was the
Speaker 1: fucking ghetaway driver. What okay? So this shit is dark, right?
Speaker 1: So one night when Squeaky was away, Arian Brotherhood members
Speaker 1: murdered one of our friends inside the house where they lived.
Speaker 1: The police later found the body buried in the basement.
Speaker 1: So you know what, this proves more than anything that
Speaker 1: none of these girls had a Latina mother.
Speaker 3: Mita.
Speaker 1: If I went to my mom and I'd be like, yo, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to join a college. Is that okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And you and what army?
Speaker 3: Okay a, Mita, You're never living the house again?
Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? I hope you. I hope you enjoy being
Speaker 1: here until you're thirty five. So for both the prison
Speaker 1: escape and the murder, Lynette was arrested as a member
Speaker 1: of the conspiracy and held for as long as possible
Speaker 1: both times of the police they had to release her
Speaker 1: right because they never had direct evidence that she was
Speaker 1: involved in the plants. All they did have was her
Speaker 1: constant stream of letters to Charles Manson in prison as
Speaker 1: he waited execution. What's the craziest thing you've ever done
Speaker 1: for love? Amy Canado?
Speaker 4: I would probably say I gave up my very nice
Speaker 4: apartment that I loved to move in with my husband.
Speaker 4: That's it, and that's all you get in love. Is
Speaker 4: not supposed to be a suffering situation.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay. This is at the way street
Speaker 1: with the waste point to me. Okay, okay. Before manson
Speaker 1: sentence was carried out, though California's death penalty was ruled
Speaker 1: on institutional Manson and the other murderers were not going
Speaker 1: to be executed for their crimes. Charles was moved out
Speaker 1: of Saint Quentin to another prison further Inland, so Lynette
Speaker 1: decided to follow. She moved into a small apartment in Sacramento.
Speaker 1: Now she wasn't allowed to actually see Charles, but she
Speaker 1: still went to the prison regularly just to ask how
Speaker 1: he was doing. God. And then came September nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: That's when Lynette decided to kill the President of the
Speaker 1: United States.
Speaker 3: The President, the president man? What was her gripe with
Speaker 3: the President? What's happening?
Speaker 1: So Charles Manson hated authority, and his whole persona at
Speaker 1: this point was about the United States being overthrown. But
Speaker 1: he had taken a particular dislike to Richard Nixon after
Speaker 1: Nixon had made fun of him during the murder. Charles,
Speaker 1: because he's a fucking small man with a very fragile ere.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm talking about. He's like, this is
Speaker 1: the particular gribe he embarrassed him, and that's yeah.
Speaker 4: He embarrassed it. It's not never mind like the Vietnam shit.
Speaker 4: It was like, no, you made fun of me, there
Speaker 4: for you bust it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the president was Gerald Ford now, but that
Speaker 1: didn't make a whole lot of difference, right. The Manson
Speaker 1: family hated whoever. The president was very discerning people. These people.
Speaker 1: So when President Ford was visiting Sacramento in nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 1: Squeaky had her chance. He was giving a speech downtown,
Speaker 1: right in her new stomping grounds. Between appointments, Ford decided
Speaker 1: to walk through the park and say hello to the
Speaker 1: good people with Sacramento. A path was cleared for him,
Speaker 1: and as he went along, shaking hands until he reached
Speaker 1: a small woman in a red coat, Lynnette Squeaky. From
Speaker 1: from under that red coat, Squeaky pulled out cold for
Speaker 1: five ooh good. She raised the gun and pulled the trigger,
Speaker 1: but it didn't go off.
Speaker 3: Fuck that was lucky, but lucky for Forde.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the gun clicked, but no shot was fired,
Speaker 1: despite being loaded with four bullets. The gun simply didn't
Speaker 1: go off. The Secret Service officers around Squeaky dove forward,
Speaker 1: they crashed into her, and they threw her to the ground.
Speaker 1: Witnesses remember that she yelled it didn't go off as
Speaker 1: she went down. It's like, thank you for the info.
Speaker 1: We were there, we know. So when the police searched
Speaker 1: Lynette's apartment after the arrest, they found letters from the
Speaker 1: International People's Court of Retribution. The fuck is that they
Speaker 1: are full of threats against other government officials and the
Speaker 1: leaders of big companies. Apparently President Ford had just been
Speaker 1: the first target on the list. Now, the International People's
Speaker 1: Court was completely made up by Squeaky and her roommate.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I was like, never heard
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love the word shopping of the title.
Speaker 1: Be like, okay, so the vengeful people know it's too hard, much.
Speaker 3: Too harsh. Let's make it sound more official international.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's good, that's right, yeah, because we're everywhere. So
Speaker 1: this time the case was very simple. At the Federal
Speaker 1: Chriald Squeaky didn't even try to fight the charges. She
Speaker 1: just pled guilty to her assassination attempt. It made her
Speaker 1: the first woman in the US to be convicted for
Speaker 1: the crime. Wow, so Lynette was giving a life sentence
Speaker 1: and things didn't go exactly smoothly in prison. Right In
Speaker 1: March nineteen seventy nine, Sweeky attacked a fellow inmate with
Speaker 1: the claw end of a hammer. She said that the
Speaker 1: other woman was, get this, a white, middle class, rich
Speaker 1: bitch who doesn't deserve to live. I'm like, is this
Speaker 1: the battle of the Karens or what I mean?
Speaker 3: Battle of the Karens?
Speaker 4: Listen, she's she's just a white middle class rich bitch
Speaker 4: that doesn't even give me sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, we can't middle class.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's a white poor, middle class rich yeah, and
Speaker 1: communist bitch and it's like I don't. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot going on in the international people score.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh so who the fuck is giving inmates hammers?
Speaker 3: That's another good question, Artiro? What is prison? Was it
Speaker 3: like a fucking kindergarten?
Speaker 1: Like, geez, it was fantastic for the inmates. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: she was still trying to helter skelter, apparently, even long
Speaker 1: after that. In December nineteen eighty seven, she wrote to
Speaker 1: a friend that she only felt alive when she was
Speaker 1: thinking about Charles Manson and so a few years later,
Speaker 1: when Squeaky got a phone call telling her that Charles
Speaker 1: Manson was dying of testicular cancer, she was desperate to
Speaker 1: see him again. Ninety minutes after the call, she disappeared
Speaker 1: from her prison in West Virginia. Okay, so, now we've
Speaker 1: gone through her story up to that point, do you
Speaker 1: feel any differently about the fact that she was able
Speaker 1: to just fucking disappear from custody.
Speaker 3: No, man, it shouldn't have happened. Shouldn't have happened. You
Speaker 3: know who cares why she did it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fuck the reasons. Sucker motive. Sucker motive. That's right.
Speaker 1: She's clawing people, she's hammering people. Man. So Squeaky apparently
Speaker 1: escaped without leaving any traces as to how she got out.
Speaker 1: She didn't even leave a trio out of the prison, right,
Speaker 1: she had just up and vanished.
Speaker 4: She had help, for sure. I'm just going for it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say she had help.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, throw it out there. So, prison officials didn't
Speaker 1: know how she had done it, and they had no
Speaker 1: idea what would happen next. If you remember that fifteen
Speaker 1: people had escaped from the prison just in two years.
Speaker 1: Is it really about the talent of the escapee or
Speaker 1: is it more about the person? They're like, we don't
Speaker 1: know how the fucks she did it.
Speaker 3: We have no idea how sha did it.
Speaker 1: They were just iming the eight foot fence and heading
Speaker 1: into the woods, that's all they were doing. So when
Speaker 1: Lynette escaped, the president wasn't the only one who went
Speaker 1: on alert. One of the prosecutors who had handled their
Speaker 1: case started carrying a gun during her trial and he
Speaker 1: was worried that she would come after him. Another prosecutor
Speaker 1: under Charles Manson case worried that Lynette was on her
Speaker 1: way to break Manson out of jail, So we started
Speaker 1: spinning up some fucking crazy story to the press, telling
Speaker 1: them that Lynette might even take some hostages somewhere and
Speaker 1: demand Manson's release. Absolutely, no one was safe, Like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing, man.
Speaker 3: Just spreading public panic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's gonna drop from the air, you see, she's
Speaker 1: got flying people, you see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's gonna take your hostage.
Speaker 1: They all like regrets to nineteen fifteen. Yeah, despite the
Speaker 1: fear jumped up in the headlines, Lynette wasn't raiding homes
Speaker 1: across the Midwest to take prisoners. In fact, he didn't
Speaker 1: even get very far. That afternoon, two prison officers driving
Speaker 1: on a nearby road saw a woman walking on the
Speaker 1: shoulder of it. She was wearing a green army jacket
Speaker 1: and khaki pants and she was sold threw from the ring.
Speaker 1: That's right. They just didn't go with the red hair.
Speaker 1: They pulled the car over, opened the door, and Squeaky
Speaker 1: just climbed inside. After all that, she just fucking gave up.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you wear that diehard, what would you
Speaker 1: think it would break.
Speaker 3: In frough the wine like that?
Speaker 1: She's like, you know what, it's cold, I'm wet. Fuck it, really,
Speaker 1: I want to go home. So in the battle of
Speaker 1: nature versus Squeaky, nature came out on top. When she
Speaker 1: went to trial for the escape attempt, she put in
Speaker 1: a plea of no contest, and it added fifteen years
Speaker 1: their sentence. She was sent back into custody and eventually
Speaker 1: transferred to her prison and Lexington, Kentucky, where they actually
Speaker 1: had uniforms. What do you know? What do you know?
Speaker 1: So Lynett's fight was over. She didn't escape prison again,
Speaker 1: but even in nineteen n eighty four, the Deputy da
Speaker 1: who prosecuted Manson, said that he believed Squeaky was still
Speaker 1: keeping the flame alive from Manson. His book about the murders,
Speaker 1: Helter Skelter, became one of the best selling true crime
Speaker 1: accounts in history. In two thousand and nine, Lynette was paroled.
Speaker 1: She was sixty years old. She self published a memoir
Speaker 1: on the Manson family in twenty eighteen, and she writes
Speaker 1: about her time with Manson in such happy, glowing terms
Speaker 1: that it basically seems like he still believes that the
Speaker 1: things that they were doing were good. You know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, she's gone her.
Speaker 1: The final sentence assists that she never meant to kill
Speaker 1: the president. It says there was no bullet in the
Speaker 1: chamber of that gun. Yeah, yeah, they were there, Okay,
Speaker 1: just didn't go off. Yeah it didn't go off. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got lucky. He got lucky. Charles Manson finally died
Speaker 1: in custody in twenty seventeen. Any possibility of him ruling
Speaker 1: the world was finally over. And one final note on
Speaker 1: the elders in prison today they require the inmates to
Speaker 1: wear khaki uniforms. Did she's just set a trend? She's
Speaker 1: a trendsetter, at least that she'd save the local army
Speaker 1: jacket fans some hassle.
Speaker 3: Right, Wow, that bitch just climbed the fence. That's all
Speaker 3: she did, and that's it.
Speaker 1: That's our story. What do you think any major takeaways
Speaker 1: from squeaky story?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 4: You know what, I think Squeaky could have had a
Speaker 4: much better situation, in a much better life if she
Speaker 4: had just learned not to dye her hair red.
Speaker 3: That was her biggest That was like her biggest way.
Speaker 1: We find out in her memoir she was actually blonde
Speaker 1: the whole time.
Speaker 3: She's a blonde.
Speaker 1: Also, after everybody else goes to prison, like she had
Speaker 1: a chance to start a new life, so.
Speaker 3: Like she couldn't plate it worse.
Speaker 4: She's done if she didn't actually commit the murders, Like
Speaker 4: that was her chance to turn her fucking life around
Speaker 4: and be like, you.
Speaker 1: Know what, I've seen the light.
Speaker 3: This is a new star now.
Speaker 1: And and that guy from that drummer from the Beast
Speaker 1: Voice who was actually kind of cute. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: see what the fuck he's.
Speaker 4: Up to, you know, Yeah, I'm gonna make amends. I'm
Speaker 4: going to join a swell set program. She really could
Speaker 4: have had a good life, but she listened. Squeaky's got
Speaker 4: a squeak.
Speaker 1: Listen. Thank you so much for doing this. Can I
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: First of all, you can find me on Instagram at
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