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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to Greatest Escapes, a show bringing you

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Speaker 1: the wildest true escape stories of all time. Today's story

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Speaker 1: goes into a truly dark chapter of Hollywood history, only

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Speaker 1: this time we're talking about the crimes and the escapes.

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Speaker 1: They usually don't hear about A'marto Castro. And for this one,

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Speaker 1: I have to bring in the incredible actress and voiceover

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Speaker 1: artists and queen of Miami.

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Speaker 2: It's Amy Carrero. Amy Carrero.

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Speaker 3: Should I just use my normal Miami accent or why?

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Speaker 1: I just like, so, let's fucking do it, Like just

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Speaker 1: say the three or five is present, an accountant present.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, we actually met way before the Menu.

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Speaker 1: That's true. Remember that we were doing phone banking, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: live on ABC or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Good Morning America, that's what it was. Yeah, And we

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Speaker 4: were sat next to each other.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And I remember I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: we saw John Lee. Guizamo was one of the main guys.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you in about ten years in a movie

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Speaker 1: called The Menu.

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Speaker 3: John like Guizamo the Menu, right, right, So that was

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Speaker 3: my intro.

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Speaker 1: And look how far we've come. Now we're in a

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Speaker 1: podcast together. Wow, this is great.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Amy. What do you consider to be your greatest escape.

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Speaker 3: It happened Christmas twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 4: I was by myself and my husband Tim had gone

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Speaker 4: to Egypt with his family for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Are marriage Isakay.

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Speaker 4: I was doing a TV show at the time, and

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Speaker 4: it was like right after Christmas. We'd had these Egypt

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Speaker 4: tickets booked, and.

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Speaker 3: I was like, you should just go.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't go, like, you know, I had to work whatever.

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Speaker 4: So I stayed in secretly like ooh, this is nice

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Speaker 4: to get the house to myself. So I was walking

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Speaker 4: the dog and I know my neighborhood obviously really well.

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Speaker 4: I've lived here like almost ten years. And I turned

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Speaker 4: around and there was this all like blacks, like a

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Speaker 4: black sedan and the front mirror was blacked out, and

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Speaker 4: I remember thinking it was really strange.

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you see that in Los Angeles, right.

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Speaker 3: Like the front mirror right.

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Speaker 4: So I turned around. The car was there and it

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Speaker 4: must have pulled up and it wasn't like a hybrid,

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Speaker 4: but I didn't hear it. And so I was walking

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Speaker 4: the dog and it was just kind of.

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Speaker 3: In a weird spot.

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Speaker 4: I live kind of like in an area where there's

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Speaker 4: not a lot of cars that stop. It's just like,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's strange to estrae of that to happen.

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Speaker 4: So I was like, you know what, I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to go back to my house because I don't want

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Speaker 4: this person to know where I lived, just in case.

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Speaker 3: So I like, I like went up the hill.

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Speaker 4: Because I live in the hills, nice little side, no there, Yeah, And.

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Speaker 3: I was gone for like thirty minutes. I ran into

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Speaker 4: I started talking to the neighbor blah blah blah, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, the car's probably gone. So I'm

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Speaker 4: going back down this hill to turn to the street

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Speaker 4: where I live. But my house is like six houses

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Speaker 4: down right. So I'm like turning and there's this intersection.

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Speaker 4: So I'm here with my dog and that car is

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Speaker 4: like going like passing, and he sees me and stops

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Speaker 4: and pulls over. Whoa, And there was this other car

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Speaker 4: that was like I guess maybe like with that car.

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Speaker 3: It was like this Lexus car and there was a.

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Speaker 4: Woman in it, like a Latin woman in it because

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Speaker 4: I know my fellow mommy's yeah, and she stopped behind him.

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Speaker 3: So this car pulls over. She pulls over behind him.

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Speaker 4: Luckily, there's like this mass of dudes that are like

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Speaker 3: It's like literally it's.

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Speaker 4: Like Christmas Day and I got, say one on a

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Speaker 4: thank god. So I like scooch in where they are

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Speaker 4: and I run back home, locked the door. And I

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Speaker 4: so get this. This is like comes full circle. So

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Speaker 4: like two days later, I was watching the news and

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Speaker 4: I saw that there had been like a dog kidnapping

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Speaker 4: and the owner was dracked because his like jacket got

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Speaker 3: And I saw it and what do I see?

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Speaker 4: But this blacked out no like Nissan or Sedan whatever

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Speaker 4: it was right, Yeah, So I was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I called the LAPD. I was like, I figured, oh

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Speaker 4: I didn't get the license plate obviously, so it was

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Speaker 4: useless information that I gave him, But I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, you just wanted to feel hurt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, I narrowly escaped with my.

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Speaker 1: Dog Wow, how scary. Well, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: sharing that with us. Amy. Now, are you ready to

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Speaker 1: hear some fucking crazy escape?

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Speaker 3: I'm ready?

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Speaker 1: What's rock and roll? So it's December twenty third, nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty seven, and at Alderson Federal Prison in West Virginia,

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Speaker 1: a routine betcheck raised the alarm. Lynette from was missing

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Speaker 1: from Yes, she had just turned thirty nine, but thank

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Speaker 1: you for that. Ben Bub was missing from bromb. She

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Speaker 1: had just turned thirty nine, but she had spent twelve

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Speaker 1: of those years in prison for crimes that made national headlines.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit.

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Speaker 1: People had been discussing Lynette's life choices since nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: nine because she was also a diehard follower of Charles

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Speaker 1: Manson Give me the music again, Ben, she.

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Speaker 4: I should have known as a Charles Manson follower because

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Speaker 4: she was like, I mean this is a child criminal,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know criminal. She's only thirty nine, she's

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Speaker 4: been in jail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you heard of her before, Lynette?

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Speaker 4: No, I've heard of like the crank Winkle and texts

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Speaker 4: for the murders, but I don't I'd never heard of her.

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Speaker 1: Well, Lynette had actually lived such a wild life before

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Speaker 1: she was locked up, and that's where we're going to

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Speaker 1: get into today. Okayat but two days before Christmas in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, why wasn't Lynette in her cell? So

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Speaker 1: the guard scrambled to ask the other inmates when they

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Speaker 1: had last seeing Lynette, and they all said that it

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Speaker 1: was just before nine pm. That means that when guard

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Speaker 1: started looking, Lynette had been gone for less than an hour.

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Speaker 1: Her disappearance mystified the person officials. They had no idea

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Speaker 1: The prison itself was super remote. It was about twelve

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Speaker 3: I was going to ask, was this like a max prison?

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Speaker 4: Like, what's the situation maximum guard?

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Speaker 1: So basically, it should have been really hard for Lynette

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Speaker 1: to escape. The officers searched all the prison buildings but

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Speaker 1: couldn't find any sign of her. There are also no

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Speaker 1: she got past the barbier. Who the fuck knows. Then

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Speaker 1: federal agents were called in for the hunt, but they

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Speaker 1: really didn't have much to go on, you know, because

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Speaker 1: weirdly enough, prisoners at Alderson were not required to wear uniforms.

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Speaker 3: Not a maximum guard. What are we doing here? Were?

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Speaker 1: They just like encouraged to like express themselves. They're like,

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Speaker 1: how are we feeling today? You guys?

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Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna wear a crocheted haulter? Yeah, what

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Speaker 3: the hell?

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Speaker 1: The description given to local residents said that she had

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Speaker 1: been last wearing a green army jacket, khaki pants and

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Speaker 1: a pension for danger no and a red checkered bandana.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's like a very fashionable outfit.

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Speaker 1: Like what I know, she just like slapped it on.

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Speaker 1: That's like a good brunch outfit, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: She's like, I'm gonna go out, but in case I

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Speaker 1: have an impromptu brunch meeting, I'm just gonna wear this red.

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Speaker 1: And the main thing was that she had freckles and

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Speaker 1: blazing red hair, so they.

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Speaker 4: Had hair dye at the fucking prison, or maybe she

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Speaker 1: No, there it was a spot, right, I believe it's

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Speaker 1: just so this isn't fair to gingers though. I mean,

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Speaker 1: imagine you're just another local West Virginia, thirty nine year

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Speaker 1: old with red hair and a closet full of army jackets, Like,

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Speaker 1: how would you feel bad? You don't have redheads not

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Speaker 1: been through enough? And Caucasians in general, have they not

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Speaker 3: Just give white people a chance, give them a break.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing with Gingers.

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Speaker 4: They have to go through the life as Gingers, and

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Speaker 4: you know that's hard enough.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I bought the Prince Harry book. Like we're

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Speaker 3: reading it.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that, Like that's your defense for like

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Speaker 1: whenever you're like are you hating on Gingers, You're like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I have the Prince Harry book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So

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Speaker 1: tips started flowing in. Apparently she had been spotted nearby many,

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Speaker 1: many times. But as teams of officers started to investigate

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Speaker 1: the sightings, they found that all of them were cases

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Speaker 3: How many redheads?

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Speaker 1: Was, yeah, what the fuck? Were like match the description.

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Speaker 3: And Appalachia like they were like.

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Speaker 1: It was a massive exodus from Ireland.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's so weird.

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Speaker 1: Gingers were just being handed over to the police left

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Speaker 1: and right for questioning, which is truly truly hilarious. Being like,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, man, like I am literally the girl from Wendy's. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like fucking leave me alone?

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Speaker 4: Right right?

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Speaker 3: Right? What did I do? What is my crime? Make

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Speaker 3: a ginger?

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. So more than one hundred agents swept

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Speaker 1: the woods and hills around the prison, using dogs to

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Speaker 1: try to pick up Lynnett's trail, but two days later

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Speaker 1: they still hadn't come up with any trace. Ever, the

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Speaker 1: prison warden said, okay, get this, that the dogs were

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Speaker 1: hampered by the dampness and rocky soil, plus they were

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Speaker 1: feeling like really emotionally unavailable, you know, because like mercury

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Speaker 1: is in the third house or in.

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Speaker 3: A mental health day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, small time bullshit like this was definitely not going

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Speaker 1: to cut it, because actually it might not have been

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Speaker 1: all that hard for Lynette to get out, especially since

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Speaker 1: there had been fifteen escapes from Alderson in just three years. Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 3: They were like, dress what you wanted, do what you want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have excursions, so you guys come back

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Speaker 1: whenever you're ready. Though, if you were if you were

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Speaker 1: the warden though, and you're at the press conference, how

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Speaker 1: would you try to spin this? Oh?

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Speaker 3: I would just quit?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just be like, I don't believe in

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Speaker 4: the prison system. Buy yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no spinning this.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how Miami Major would do this? So like

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Speaker 1: it li isten't everybody? Okay? People would escape? What do

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Speaker 1: you want me to do?

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Speaker 4: Me?

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Speaker 1: That's right, Lynette from is free and she might be

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Speaker 1: It and then like I'm about to tell you Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So you know how Lynette was a follower of Charles Manson, Right, Well,

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Speaker 4: There's actually a tour in Los Angeles called the Dearly

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Speaker 1: Give you some details on it. So Lynett's intro to

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Speaker 3: I worked with this woman. You could just tell in

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Speaker 4: And she was telling me the story that she moved

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, dude, and that was like her great escape start.

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Speaker 4: She never like went to like a very I think

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the kind of cute girls like the

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Speaker 1: Oh, you would have fucking you destroyed hearts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean she's still killing it. But back then

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Charles brought her back to the house where he

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Speaker 1: Now by most reports, Lynnette became the family's main recruiter.

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Speaker 1: Things started to change for the growing Manson family the

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Speaker 3: Okay, call the cops. What are we doing here? We

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Speaker 1: Bad vibration, bad vibration, getting the creep fiund this fucking guy.

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Speaker 1: So if this is you at this point, are you

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Speaker 3: No, man, well it depends. Look it was nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: You hit it on the head. Dennis and Charles just

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Speaker 1: but Dennis was super charmed. Right now, Oh, is that

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Speaker 1: a bong sound that you? Yeah? Sorry, I just I

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Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait wait, they moved in.

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Speaker 1: They moved in with Dennis.

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Speaker 1: So for a little while least Lynnette found herself literally

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Speaker 1: And this is when listen, they were at the top

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Speaker 4: A cult, for sure, I'd move into like Taylor Swift's

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Speaker 1: I want to go to Madonna's house and just be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: how do we live forever? Let's figure this fucking thing out.

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Speaker 1: Hang upside down? Yeah, I'm like, so who do we sacrifice?

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Speaker 1: That's it? Yeah? And I was like, do you believe

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Speaker 3: I do believe in that facelift, tiny bun.

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Speaker 1: So Charles Manson had major ambitions to the music industry, right,

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Speaker 1: We obviously don't because we've just been talking about the

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Speaker 1: But after getting in with Dennis, things didn't go that smoothly.

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Speaker 1: You know. The Beach Boys were kind of a family

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Speaker 1: Can you play this whole tape? Yeah, let me put

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Speaker 1: A little creepy, A little creepy, dude. You know you

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Speaker 1: pro This guy is weird. To get him out of

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Speaker 3: He may seem chill because he smokes.

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Speaker 2: A ton of good bud.

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Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of weapons and flop. He's a

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Speaker 3: Let's whose voice is that?

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Speaker 1: A man that's been to mine?

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Speaker 1: That's the Beach Boys. I don't know you guys are

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Speaker 1: Lynnette and the rest of the Manson family out of

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Speaker 1: learned not to love? That is what I fucking call Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Also none of these also like.

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Speaker 1: But then after the whole night thing, do you even

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Speaker 4: I bet he was real pissed. Fuck no, I get

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Speaker 4: They could have saved you know what I mean. Like

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Speaker 1: Like what happened? Yeah? Yah, So two smooth things over

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Speaker 1: After about a year of living with Manson, Lynette moved

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Speaker 3: He needed that bus.

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Speaker 4: He needed the bus needed to be barefoot, and you

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Speaker 1: Lone Ranger and Bonanza and a bunch of Bee Liss westerns. Right,

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00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 1: but by the nineteen fifties, George Spawn mostly made his

442
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 1: money renting out horses. His deal with the Manson family

443
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 1: was that they would move into the property and help

444
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: him out with the horses. And actually this wasn't that odd.

445
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 1: For him, because the ranch had already been home to

446
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: a bunch of out of work stuntmen and ranch hands

447
00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 1: who lived there for free in exchange for taking care

448
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,440
Speaker 1: of the animals. Does this seem like an extremely weird

449
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 1: or bad idea to you or is this like Hollywood normal?

450
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 1: What do you think?

451
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,679
Speaker 3: No, this is a bad idea.

452
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 4: But do you remember, I mean, it's hard to get

453
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 4: the image out of my head because in that Quentin

454
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 4: Tarantina movie Once upon a Time in Hollywood.

455
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 3: Did you see that movie?

456
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I saw it.

457
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,640
Speaker 4: They have a George Spawn character which is Bruce Dern

458
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 4: and he's like in that backhouse or whatever. So yeah,

459
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 4: it seems like real fucked up. But people were hitchhiking

460
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 4: back then, like it was just a different time.

461
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was a little more running got him. Yeah, yeah,

462
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

463
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 4: I think that maybe people weren't as like, I don't know,

464
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 4: thinking people were horrible.

465
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 3: I guess, I don't know. But which changed with.

466
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: The Manson family, I think a lot.

467
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're like peace and love.

468
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 4: Hippies are peace and love.

469
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and peace and love was still the reputation when

470
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 1: the family moved to the ranch. Now, Charles Manson was

471
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: ahead of the family, but it's pretty clear that Lynnette

472
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: was the one behind the scenes keeping the family organized.

473
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

474
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,479
Speaker 1: She did whatever paperwork the family needed, and you know,

475
00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: helped them paperwork. Yeah, paperwork. Guess So, how many sexual

476
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: favors are we handing out today? Okay? And how much

477
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: marijuana help? That fucking that excel chard must have looked

478
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 1: fucking weird.

479
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd blowdrop for a dime back.

480
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so weird for sure. Speaking of which,

481
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,439
Speaker 1: she helped them actually get to the doctor when the

482
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,879
Speaker 1: SDI spread through the group, which was obviously pretty frequent. Yeah,

483
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: they were right smack in the middle of the sexual

484
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: revolution thanks to the invention of the pill. But groups

485
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 1: like Manson could obviously weren't protecting themselves. So for George,

486
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: she cleaned up the house, got it painted, kicked out

487
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: the cowboys, and started helping with meals and other daily

488
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: routines as he got to know each other. Oh god,

489
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: this is so fucked up. George gave nicknames to the

490
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: women in the Manson family, right. He called Lynnettes Squeaky

491
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 1: for the way that she would react when he pinched

492
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: her like what a gross old man way to give

493
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 1: somebody a nickname.

494
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: Okay, well, now here we go.

495
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 4: Even though he was almost blind, you know, I think

496
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 4: he probably wanted to have young women around him, and

497
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 4: clearly he was pinching their asses and shit.

498
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: So he was a dog.

499
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: So the most relacious stories say that the Manson family

500
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: women offered George sexual favors to stay on the ranch,

501
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,639
Speaker 1: and they called Squeaky his de facto wife.

502
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 3: Listen, they committed murder, for sure.

503
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: There were some you know, hey, somebody's got a pay rent.

504
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 4: You pay another way, ask cash or guess no one

505
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 4: read I see.

506
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: So Squeaky has said that she didn't have a sexual

507
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: relationship with Spawn, but Manson was preaching a kind of

508
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: free love approach to sex. So honestly, at this point,

509
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 1: it's hard to fucking know whether she did or she didn't.

510
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: And you know, let's not get romantic about what Charles

511
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: Manson was teaching, for example, his helter skelter message. If

512
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: you know much about this story, which I know you do,

513
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: you probably know that by this point he was teaching

514
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: that there was going to be a race war coming

515
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: that would pit white and black Americans against each other.

516
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: Manson said that the white Americans would lose, but then

517
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: he and his family would be able to hiden the desert,

518
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: and once the rest of the whites were slaughtered, he

519
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: would emerge and rule over the non white population. Oh,

520
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: for fuck's sake, this is both super racist and extremely narcissistic.

521
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: Dude, nobody talks about the races.

522
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 1: He couldn't even get a record off the ground, asshole.

523
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: But how does his rank in the most illusionable cult

524
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 1: stories you've heard? It's pretty up there.

525
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that I think you have to be delusion.

526
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: That's like requirement number one is to be.

527
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: Delusional sense of grandeur.

528
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 4: He was probably had some fucking hitler fantasies and shit.

529
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 4: But it's funny because nobody ever brings up the racial

530
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 4: aspect of the Charles Manson thing.

531
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: No, and also at the time they used it so

532
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: much as like I guess square Americans used it as

533
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: proof of look, fucking hippies are fucking and their murderers

534
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: motherfuckers say really, yeah, yeah, kicked off a dark period

535
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: for trust of free spirited people.

536
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 3: I guess, right, right, right right.

537
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: Manson's fantasies of world power were obviously fucking bananas, but

538
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: when things would get in his way, he would absolutely

539
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: lose his shit. Like when a couple of drug deals

540
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: to the family went bad, Charles started using the members

541
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: of the family as an attack squad, and that's when

542
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: they started killing people. Now, at first it was a

543
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: couple of isolated murders that the cops couldn't solve. But

544
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: in the spring of nineteen sixty nine, a music producer

545
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: refused to sign Manson to record contract.

546
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 4: Was this the music producer that then rented the house

547
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 4: to Roman Pelanski.

548
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 1: And Share you go, There you Go? So what comes next?

549
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: Were the infamous murders on back to back nights, right, So,

550
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: first were the killings of Sharon Tates house. Right, she

551
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: had moved into the house where the record producer used

552
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 1: to live exactly, they killed her along with another four

553
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: people in her house. And then the next night, Manson

554
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: said he was going to show his killers how to

555
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: do it right, they randomly picked the house in a

556
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 1: familiar neighborhood and killed the couple living there.

557
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: An older couple.

558
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: But you know what I think too, this was crazy

559
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 4: And I don't know if this is like action really

560
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 4: true or it was just in the movie I read somewhere,

561
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: but I thought that Charles Manson actually went to that

562
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 4: house where Sharon Tate was staying and was like, I

563
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 4: want to talk to Roger of whatever the name of

564
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: the of the music producer was, and like Jay Sebring,

565
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 4: who was like was Sharentate's friend that was staying with her,

566
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 4: was like, oh, no, he doesn't live here anymore. So

567
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 4: they knew that they didn't live there anymore, and they

568
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 4: still killed the people in that house.

569
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: Right. I do know that he knew that the producer

570
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: lived there. I don't know if he had that interaction

571
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: with Jay, but they definitely.

572
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 4: I don't know if he had the conversation, but I

573
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 4: know that they found him in the back house one day,

574
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 4: like he was lurking, he was creeping, and they were

575
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 4: like the fuck.

576
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 3: Out of here.

577
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: So the story has been told a lot of times, right,

578
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: So we won't go into detail about the Sharon Tate murders.

579
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: But for Squeaky, the important part was what happened when

580
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: they were finally linked to the Manson family. They took

581
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: a little time, but the Manson family was already in

582
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: trouble with the law. Yeah, so the cous that arrived

583
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: at the ranch a week after the murders, but they

584
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: were looking for stolen vehicles, so they smashed up the

585
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: ranch and arrested the entire Manson family for grand theft auto,

586
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: but they had to drop the charges for a few months.

587
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: It seemed like the family had actually gone away with

588
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: all their crimes. And we can't even be completely sure

589
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: that Squeaky knew about the murders. But could you fucking

590
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: believe that she didn't know anything at this point? Like,

591
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: of course she did. She was like number two. So

592
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: two months later, the cops came back and arrested everyone again,

593
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: and this time the cops were actually able to make

594
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: the car robbery charge a stick to a few of

595
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: the family members. But while they were locked up, one

596
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: of the women, named Susan Atkins started bragging to the

597
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: other prisoners that she and the family had committed the

598
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: mysterious murders. Okay, so murderers are always bragging, right, Like.

599
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 3: If this was why we Don't get me.

600
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: Wrong, I'm happy that they got caught, but why are

601
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: they always going to other people in jail?

602
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: Be Like, you know, she named her ass squeaky. She

603
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: she's a loose cannon.

604
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean she's a squeaky wheeler that you need to do.

605
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 4: Yeah right, Loose lips sink ships, and that's what happened there.

606
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: So it was so by December Susan di Tattletale had

607
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 1: to deal with the police. Plus her lawyer had in

608
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: fact actually gotten her a book contract. Her testimony before

609
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: the grand jury about the murders splashed into the newspaper.

610
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: It even became the cover of Life magazine. Now, the

611
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 1: five members of the Manson family who committed the murders

612
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: were convicted and sentenced to death. The rest of the

613
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: cult didn't really have a plan, so they scattered across California.

614
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: Now squeak he moved into a motel with another member

615
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: and they tried to figure out how to support Manson

616
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: through his trials. Yep, she even answered the letters that

617
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: were sent to him, saying that he was innocent and

618
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: that he was being crucified by the authorities who didn't

619
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: want him to remake the world. Personally, I'm not team

620
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: let Charles Manson rule the world. Like what, I don't

621
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: know how you feel about this.

622
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: It's a bad idea, It's fucking terrible. No thanks.

623
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 4: And then there were people that were like fans of his, like,

624
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 4: you know, some bitch married him in jail.

625
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: Here's some sick people out there. Also that he tried

626
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: to spin it as in like there's this ideological race war,

627
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: where all it really was was he was sending his

628
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: followers to like revenge kill somebody that thought they didn't

629
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: give him a fucking contract.

630
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: Listen, I'm not not to boil it down to something

631
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 4: like so reductive, but like I think part of the reason,

632
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 4: like Hitler had a fucking like whatever he fucked up

633
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 4: shit he had in his mind because he was like

634
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 4: a failed artist, you know what I mean, And then

635
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 4: he got really angry and then just and it became

636
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 4: this whole other thing.

637
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: Some small, fragile men tend to once give him power,

638
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: they tend to fucking take it out of the world.

639
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 4: They get rejected and then they're just like, well, now

640
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 4: I'm just going to be a mass murderer. And I

641
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: think that that's uh, you know, with Charles Manson, it

642
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 4: was like he was, you know, rejected, the.

643
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: Feeling of inadequacy just like yeah, he was like he

644
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: had a power in his little bubble and he abused it.

645
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: And I hope your rots in fucking hell for the

646
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: rest of his eternity.

647
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: Oh, he's in there. He's in half for sure.

648
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: So in the fall of nineteen seventy a wildfire burned

649
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: through the Spawn ranch and anyone who still had dreams

650
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: of reviving the Manson family would have to find somewhere

651
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: else to do it. Oh, are we in a spy novel?

652
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: Is this? Yes? This is the James Bond seventies part

653
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: of it sounds like it.

654
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: Charles Manson was sent to death row at Saint Quentin Prison.

655
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: Now outside Squeaky started working on a book telling the

656
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: story of the Manson family. Lynnette felt that the whole

657
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: trial had been stage managed by the authorities to give

658
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: the wrong impression about Manson, and she still wanted to

659
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: recruit new members to their way of life.

660
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 4: Now.

661
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in prison, Charles Manson was kind of undermining her

662
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: at every turn because he was currently joining the Aryan Brotherhood,

663
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: which is a white supremacist prison gang, which was a

664
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: shock to absolutely fucking no one.

665
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: No one.

666
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of hard to get the wrong impression about that, right,

667
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: Like they say, you're advicetander in the nineteen seventies. Is

668
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: there anything in the world Lynette could do that would

669
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: change her mind.

670
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

671
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: I mean, it happens now too. It's like people tell

672
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: you who they are. They show you who they are

673
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: over and over and over. You could literally have a picture,

674
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: you know, with like a Grand Wizard of the KKKA and.

675
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: People were like, well that was just I don't know,

676
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: like is he reads not? We don't know if he's racing.

677
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: You know.

678
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 3: It's like people are just making up stories.

679
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: It's incredible what people are able to fucking deny, Like

680
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: the denial that people can go into.

681
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, rationalize the way.

682
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: You know.

683
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 4: It's funny because it's like she drank the kool aid,

684
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 4: but she also made the kool aid too, so.

685
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: She was in too deep. She was never getting out.

686
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. The deal that Manson struck with the Aran Brotherhood

687
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: was a trade. They would protect him inside the prison

688
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: and then on the outside, the Manson family would look

689
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: after the gang members. Okay, So members of the Manson

690
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: family even helped an Arian Brotherhood member escape from prison

691
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: in August nineteen seventy one, and Squeaky's roommate was the

692
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: fucking ghetaway driver. What okay? So this shit is dark, right?

693
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: So one night when Squeaky was away, Arian Brotherhood members

694
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: murdered one of our friends inside the house where they lived.

695
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: The police later found the body buried in the basement.

696
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: So you know what, this proves more than anything that

697
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: none of these girls had a Latina mother.

698
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: Mita.

699
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: If I went to my mom and I'd be like, yo, yeah,

700
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: so I'm going to join a college. Is that okay? Yeah?

701
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: And you and what army?

702
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: Okay a, Mita, You're never living the house again?

703
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: Okay? Cool? I hope you. I hope you enjoy being

704
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: here until you're thirty five. So for both the prison

705
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: escape and the murder, Lynette was arrested as a member

706
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: of the conspiracy and held for as long as possible

707
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: both times of the police they had to release her

708
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: right because they never had direct evidence that she was

709
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: involved in the plants. All they did have was her

710
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: constant stream of letters to Charles Manson in prison as

711
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: he waited execution. What's the craziest thing you've ever done

712
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: for love? Amy Canado?

713
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: I would probably say I gave up my very nice

714
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: apartment that I loved to move in with my husband.

715
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: That's it, and that's all you get in love. Is

716
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 4: not supposed to be a suffering situation.

717
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay. This is at the way street

718
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: with the waste point to me. Okay, okay. Before manson

719
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: sentence was carried out, though California's death penalty was ruled

720
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: on institutional Manson and the other murderers were not going

721
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: to be executed for their crimes. Charles was moved out

722
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: of Saint Quentin to another prison further Inland, so Lynette

723
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: decided to follow. She moved into a small apartment in Sacramento.

724
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: Now she wasn't allowed to actually see Charles, but she

725
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: still went to the prison regularly just to ask how

726
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: he was doing. God. And then came September nineteen seventy five.

727
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: That's when Lynette decided to kill the President of the

728
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: United States.

729
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: The President, the president man? What was her gripe with

730
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: the President? What's happening?

731
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: So Charles Manson hated authority, and his whole persona at

732
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: this point was about the United States being overthrown. But

733
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: he had taken a particular dislike to Richard Nixon after

734
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: Nixon had made fun of him during the murder. Charles,

735
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: because he's a fucking small man with a very fragile ere.

736
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: You see what I'm talking about. He's like, this is

737
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: the particular gribe he embarrassed him, and that's yeah.

738
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: He embarrassed it. It's not never mind like the Vietnam shit.

739
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: It was like, no, you made fun of me, there

740
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: for you bust it.

741
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the president was Gerald Ford now, but that

742
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: didn't make a whole lot of difference, right. The Manson

743
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: family hated whoever. The president was very discerning people. These people.

744
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: So when President Ford was visiting Sacramento in nineteen seventy five,

745
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: Squeaky had her chance. He was giving a speech downtown,

746
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: right in her new stomping grounds. Between appointments, Ford decided

747
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: to walk through the park and say hello to the

748
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: good people with Sacramento. A path was cleared for him,

749
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: and as he went along, shaking hands until he reached

750
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: a small woman in a red coat, Lynnette Squeaky. From

751
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: from under that red coat, Squeaky pulled out cold for

752
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: five ooh good. She raised the gun and pulled the trigger,

753
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: but it didn't go off.

754
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: Fuck that was lucky, but lucky for Forde.

755
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

756
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the gun clicked, but no shot was fired,

757
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: despite being loaded with four bullets. The gun simply didn't

758
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: go off. The Secret Service officers around Squeaky dove forward,

759
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: they crashed into her, and they threw her to the ground.

760
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: Witnesses remember that she yelled it didn't go off as

761
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: she went down. It's like, thank you for the info.

762
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: We were there, we know. So when the police searched

763
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: Lynette's apartment after the arrest, they found letters from the

764
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: International People's Court of Retribution. The fuck is that they

765
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: are full of threats against other government officials and the

766
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: leaders of big companies. Apparently President Ford had just been

767
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: the first target on the list. Now, the International People's

768
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: Court was completely made up by Squeaky and her roommate.

769
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I was like, never heard

770
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: of it.

771
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love the word shopping of the title.

772
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: Be like, okay, so the vengeful people know it's too hard, much.

773
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: Too harsh. Let's make it sound more official international.

774
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: Yep, that's good, that's right, yeah, because we're everywhere. So

775
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: this time the case was very simple. At the Federal

776
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Chriald Squeaky didn't even try to fight the charges. She

777
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: just pled guilty to her assassination attempt. It made her

778
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: the first woman in the US to be convicted for

779
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: the crime. Wow, so Lynette was giving a life sentence

780
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: and things didn't go exactly smoothly in prison. Right In

781
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: March nineteen seventy nine, Sweeky attacked a fellow inmate with

782
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: the claw end of a hammer. She said that the

783
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: other woman was, get this, a white, middle class, rich

784
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: bitch who doesn't deserve to live. I'm like, is this

785
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: the battle of the Karens or what I mean?

786
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 3: Battle of the Karens?

787
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 4: Listen, she's she's just a white middle class rich bitch

788
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 4: that doesn't even give me sense.

789
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

790
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, we can't middle class.

791
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: Yes, she's a white poor, middle class rich yeah, and

792
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: communist bitch and it's like I don't. Yeah, there's a

793
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: lot going on in the international people score.

794
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

795
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh so who the fuck is giving inmates hammers?

796
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: That's another good question, Artiro? What is prison? Was it

797
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: like a fucking kindergarten?

798
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: Like, geez, it was fantastic for the inmates. Yeah, so

799
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: she was still trying to helter skelter, apparently, even long

800
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: after that. In December nineteen eighty seven, she wrote to

801
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: a friend that she only felt alive when she was

802
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: thinking about Charles Manson and so a few years later,

803
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: when Squeaky got a phone call telling her that Charles

804
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: Manson was dying of testicular cancer, she was desperate to

805
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: see him again. Ninety minutes after the call, she disappeared

806
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: from her prison in West Virginia. Okay, so, now we've

807
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: gone through her story up to that point, do you

808
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: feel any differently about the fact that she was able

809
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: to just fucking disappear from custody.

810
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 3: No, man, it shouldn't have happened. Shouldn't have happened. You

811
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: know who cares why she did it?

812
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: Yeah? Fuck the reasons. Sucker motive. Sucker motive. That's right.

813
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: She's clawing people, she's hammering people. Man. So Squeaky apparently

814
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: escaped without leaving any traces as to how she got out.

815
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: She didn't even leave a trio out of the prison, right,

816
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: she had just up and vanished.

817
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: She had help, for sure. I'm just going for it.

818
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say she had help.

819
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, throw it out there. So, prison officials didn't

820
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: know how she had done it, and they had no

821
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: idea what would happen next. If you remember that fifteen

822
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: people had escaped from the prison just in two years.

823
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: Is it really about the talent of the escapee or

824
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: is it more about the person? They're like, we don't

825
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: know how the fucks she did it.

826
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: We have no idea how sha did it.

827
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: They were just iming the eight foot fence and heading

828
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: into the woods, that's all they were doing. So when

829
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: Lynette escaped, the president wasn't the only one who went

830
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: on alert. One of the prosecutors who had handled their

831
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: case started carrying a gun during her trial and he

832
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: was worried that she would come after him. Another prosecutor

833
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: under Charles Manson case worried that Lynette was on her

834
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: way to break Manson out of jail, So we started

835
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: spinning up some fucking crazy story to the press, telling

836
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: them that Lynette might even take some hostages somewhere and

837
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: demand Manson's release. Absolutely, no one was safe, Like, what

838
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: are you doing, man.

839
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 3: Just spreading public panic.

840
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's gonna drop from the air, you see, she's

841
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: got flying people, you see.

842
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's gonna take your hostage.

843
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: They all like regrets to nineteen fifteen. Yeah, despite the

844
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: fear jumped up in the headlines, Lynette wasn't raiding homes

845
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: across the Midwest to take prisoners. In fact, he didn't

846
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: even get very far. That afternoon, two prison officers driving

847
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: on a nearby road saw a woman walking on the

848
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: shoulder of it. She was wearing a green army jacket

849
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: and khaki pants and she was sold threw from the ring.

850
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: That's right. They just didn't go with the red hair.

851
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: They pulled the car over, opened the door, and Squeaky

852
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: just climbed inside. After all that, she just fucking gave up.

853
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: I mean, if you wear that diehard, what would you

854
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: think it would break.

855
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: In frough the wine like that?

856
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: She's like, you know what, it's cold, I'm wet. Fuck it, really,

857
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: I want to go home. So in the battle of

858
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: nature versus Squeaky, nature came out on top. When she

859
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: went to trial for the escape attempt, she put in

860
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: a plea of no contest, and it added fifteen years

861
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: their sentence. She was sent back into custody and eventually

862
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: transferred to her prison and Lexington, Kentucky, where they actually

863
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: had uniforms. What do you know? What do you know?

864
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: So Lynett's fight was over. She didn't escape prison again,

865
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: but even in nineteen n eighty four, the Deputy da

866
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: who prosecuted Manson, said that he believed Squeaky was still

867
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: keeping the flame alive from Manson. His book about the murders,

868
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: Helter Skelter, became one of the best selling true crime

869
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: accounts in history. In two thousand and nine, Lynette was paroled.

870
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: She was sixty years old. She self published a memoir

871
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: on the Manson family in twenty eighteen, and she writes

872
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: about her time with Manson in such happy, glowing terms

873
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: that it basically seems like he still believes that the

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Speaker 1: things that they were doing were good. You know.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, she's gone her.

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Speaker 1: The final sentence assists that she never meant to kill

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Speaker 1: the president. It says there was no bullet in the

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Speaker 1: chamber of that gun. Yeah, yeah, they were there, Okay,

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Speaker 1: just didn't go off. Yeah it didn't go off. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you got lucky. He got lucky. Charles Manson finally died

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Speaker 1: in custody in twenty seventeen. Any possibility of him ruling

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Speaker 1: the world was finally over. And one final note on

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Speaker 1: the elders in prison today they require the inmates to

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Speaker 1: wear khaki uniforms. Did she's just set a trend? She's

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Speaker 1: a trendsetter, at least that she'd save the local army

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Speaker 1: jacket fans some hassle.

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Speaker 3: Right, Wow, that bitch just climbed the fence. That's all

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Speaker 3: she did, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's our story. What do you think any major takeaways

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Speaker 1: from squeaky story?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 4: You know what, I think Squeaky could have had a

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Speaker 4: much better situation, in a much better life if she

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Speaker 4: had just learned not to dye her hair red.

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Speaker 3: That was her biggest That was like her biggest way.

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Speaker 1: We find out in her memoir she was actually blonde

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Speaker 1: the whole time.

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Speaker 3: She's a blonde.

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Speaker 1: Also, after everybody else goes to prison, like she had

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Speaker 1: a chance to start a new life, so.

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Speaker 3: Like she couldn't plate it worse.

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Speaker 4: She's done if she didn't actually commit the murders, Like

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Speaker 4: that was her chance to turn her fucking life around

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Speaker 4: and be like, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what, I've seen the light.

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Speaker 3: This is a new star now.

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Speaker 1: And and that guy from that drummer from the Beast

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Speaker 1: Voice who was actually kind of cute. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: see what the fuck he's.

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Speaker 4: Up to, you know, Yeah, I'm gonna make amends. I'm

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Speaker 4: going to join a swell set program. She really could

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Speaker 4: have had a good life, but she listened. Squeaky's got

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Speaker 4: a squeak.

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Speaker 1: Listen. Thank you so much for doing this. Can I

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Speaker 1: ask you for our listeners where they can check you out?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: First of all, you can find me on Instagram at

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Speaker 4: Amy Carrero.

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Speaker 3: A I M E E C A R R E

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Speaker 3: R O and the twitters. But mostly I just talk

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Speaker 3: about politics and dungeons and dragons. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This is fun, of course. Thank you so much, Amy.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Bye Yah. Greatest Escapes is

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Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio and Film Nation Entertainment in association

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Speaker 1: with Gilded Audio. Our executive producers from me or Turo

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Speaker 1: castro A, Lissa Martino and Milan Papelka from Film Nation Entertainment,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Chug and Witning Donaldson from Gilded Audio, and Dylan

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Speaker 1: Fagan from iHeartRadio. The show is produced and edited by

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Speaker 1: Carl Nellis and Ben Chubb, who are also, respectively, our

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Speaker 1: research overlord and music overlord. Our associate producer is Tory Smith,

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Speaker 1: who's our other overlord. Nick Dooley is our technical director.

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Speaker 1: Additional editing by Whitney Donaldson Special thanks to Alison Cohen,

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Speaker 1: Dan Welsh, Ben Riizek, Sarah Joyner, Nicky Stein, Olivia Kenny

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Speaker 1: and Kelsey Albright. Hey, thank you so much for listening,

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Speaker 1: and if you're enjoying the show, please drop a rating

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