Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where the two Lane Green Wave
Speaker 1: are a burgeoning college football dynasty. I'm Greg Rosenthal and
Speaker 1: beyond lucky today to be joined by Nick Shook, the
Speaker 1: other kid from Akron. And yes, I know, Nick, you
Speaker 1: have been playing EA College Football with the Green Wave
Speaker 1: as your team. How are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Baby, Well, Craig, you know, not to spoil the surprise,
Speaker 2: but the two lane Green Waiver the twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: national champions.
Speaker 1: My friend, let's go. I mean, two lane over indexes
Speaker 1: in coolness factor because of that. Those uniforms. Oh wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you check us out on YouTube, you can see
Speaker 1: Nick has been doing it big. Not surprised. Nick is
Speaker 1: a budding gamer. We're gonna talk about that later in
Speaker 1: the show. He's been doing it for a while. He's
Speaker 1: got a Twitch stream, and we're gonna get Nick Shook's
Speaker 1: three minute review on EA College Football twenty five. That
Speaker 1: is what we're wrapping the show with. I don't know
Speaker 1: why we're rapping, because usually you just bring the best
Speaker 1: stuff right off the top, and that's gonna be the
Speaker 1: best stuff we hear all day. Nick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously, how can you not be on
Speaker 2: board with two lane as your national champs.
Speaker 1: Hey, they were close to it. They want to what
Speaker 1: do they call it? Power six? You know Bowl six Gate?
Speaker 1: What do they call that? On the New Year Game?
Speaker 1: A near six game a couple of years ago over
Speaker 1: Caleb freaking Williams. That was amazing. Also coming up in
Speaker 1: the show and is amazing is Ian Rapaport. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're having our Insider weekly segment every week. It'll be
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen minutes with Ian or Mike Garafolo. They
Speaker 1: have a rivalry, so they don't just want one guy
Speaker 1: to get all the shine. But this week it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Ian again. But before we do that, Nick, we
Speaker 1: are gonna do our segment today, and it's gonna be simple.
Speaker 1: We're gonna throw seg ideas back and forth overrated or
Speaker 1: underrated players, and it's as simple as it gets. It
Speaker 1: could be teams, actually doesn't have to be players, could
Speaker 1: be coaches, could be units. It's whatever you think is
Speaker 1: overrated or underrated going into the twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get started by asking you to go. I
Speaker 1: want you to start and give me, give me something underrated.
Speaker 1: Let's be positive, yes.
Speaker 2: Way to pass it down you know what, Greg, I
Speaker 2: want to expand the boundaries of this exercise real quick.
Speaker 2: Not only could it be teams, players, coaches, whatever I
Speaker 2: wanted to be like theories, like just ideas, general trends
Speaker 2: that could also be overrated, underrated, And for me, I'm
Speaker 2: going to start underrated the Rams twenty twenty four draft.
Speaker 3: And the reason that I say this is, look.
Speaker 2: We all know what Kobe Turner did on the defensive
Speaker 2: line last year in Los Angeles, who was not a
Speaker 2: name that anybody was really paying attention to, and some
Speaker 2: people might have wondered how to be play?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Was it part of playing next to Aaron Donald? No,
Speaker 2: the kid's a stud. Well, then they just went and
Speaker 2: reinvested in the defensive line again twice. They go get
Speaker 2: Jared Verse, one of my favorite players in the draft,
Speaker 2: they go get his Florida State teammate Braden Fisk in
Speaker 2: the second round. And then on the offensive side, they
Speaker 2: went and got Blake Korum, a running back at Michigan
Speaker 2: who did a lot in his time with the Wolfes,
Speaker 2: just savvy moves and coming off of a draft year
Speaker 2: prior in which they snagged Pooka Nakua and turned him
Speaker 2: into a phenomenal receiver. I think that Less needs two
Speaker 2: for two and we're all going to see it happen
Speaker 2: here this season.
Speaker 1: Wow. I'm surprised, not that that's not a good draft,
Speaker 1: but didn't get a ton of attention. If anything, I
Speaker 1: think they got more attention for the guys they didn't
Speaker 1: get because it kind of came out that they they
Speaker 1: wanted to get Bowers at tight end. They were trying
Speaker 1: to trade up, which would have been really intriguing on
Speaker 1: that offense, which is already loaded enough, but the Raiders
Speaker 1: took them before they could do that, and then they
Speaker 1: also wanted Byron Murphy, the defensive tackle. I think that
Speaker 1: the Seahawks got it, but sometimes that's how drafts work.
Speaker 1: You don't get the players you want and it works
Speaker 1: out better. I'm gonna stay in that front office tree
Speaker 1: and go to Detroit and talk about what they've been
Speaker 1: doing as a front office and go with the Lions
Speaker 1: off season as my first underrated option. I just feel
Speaker 1: like everyone has been sleeping on the fact that this
Speaker 1: is an organization that has done everything wrong for decades
Speaker 1: and now they're doing everything right. And yeah, you can
Speaker 1: get it right. Hiring the right coach and the right GM,
Speaker 1: but are you gonna make the right personnel decisions and
Speaker 1: step up when it's time From an ownership level, and
Speaker 1: I think they have. Like on the defensive line, I
Speaker 1: like the Marcus Davenport move. You don't sign him when
Speaker 1: he's expensive and free agency, you sign him when he's cheap.
Speaker 1: You might get a really good pass rusher out of
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport. DJ Reader also I think was a smart signing.
Speaker 1: Might not be a big factor until later, but the
Speaker 1: defensive line bulks up. But the bigger thing was that
Speaker 1: they signed everybody, like all their foundational guys Aman Ross,
Speaker 1: Saint Brown, Panay Sewell to get them done along with
Speaker 1: Jared Goff, a contract I think worked for them but
Speaker 1: also can work for the team. And oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: they had a secondary problem all last season, and you
Speaker 1: trade very little to get Carlton Davis, who to me
Speaker 1: is a plus starter at cornerback, which are just very
Speaker 1: difficult to get, and you draft Terry and Arnold. They
Speaker 1: attack their weaknesses aggressively. I just think they had one
Speaker 1: of the best off seasons of any team out there,
Speaker 1: and everyone's just a little tired of the Lions at
Speaker 1: this point that they were kind of the story of
Speaker 1: last year. But I think they've set the foundation shooky
Speaker 1: to get better than they even were last year when
Speaker 1: they built on their success from twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Greg, I don't know if you know this, but I'm
Speaker 2: a football cynic and I always try to poke holes
Speaker 2: and things because I want to see where when is
Speaker 2: the other shoe going to drop?
Speaker 3: You know, when am I going to get disappointed.
Speaker 2: We actually discussed this on you know, shameless plug my podcast,
Speaker 2: the Griton Podcasts a couple nights ago, and in discussing
Speaker 2: this with my friend Karmen Vitalite from Fox Sports, who
Speaker 2: covers the NFC North, I'm thinking, I don't know what
Speaker 2: to tell you. This roster looks better than it was
Speaker 2: last year. Like they addressed their weaknesses. They went and
Speaker 2: got Terry and Arnold. Their secondary was probably the worst
Speaker 2: part of their defense, and they got better and they
Speaker 2: got deeper on that side of the ball.
Speaker 3: This is a team that I think is built for
Speaker 3: a deep run.
Speaker 2: So as much as because every year this happens, we
Speaker 2: get a team or two that was great the previous
Speaker 2: year that should be good and then falls off, we
Speaker 2: have you know, we know the turnover numbers from year
Speaker 2: to year, playoff appearances.
Speaker 1: People. I thought the Lions might be that team last
Speaker 1: year that they were getting too much like going into
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: And instead this is a team that I feel fully confident.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they win the Super Bowl. I'm not
Speaker 2: going that far yet, but I feel fully confident them.
Speaker 2: I think they did a great job continuing to build
Speaker 2: this roster and those contracts, both those all three of
Speaker 2: those contracts not team friendly necessarily, but I mean make
Speaker 2: complete sense.
Speaker 3: You're getting key players locked up, so I love it right.
Speaker 1: And their defensive line, to me, was a little disappointing.
Speaker 1: I thought it was promising going into last year. It's deep.
Speaker 1: They still have a lot of gut. The guys they
Speaker 1: drafted Alee McNeil, On Wuzerique, Josh Pascal, like these guys,
Speaker 1: John Kaminski, you came in who they want to get better.
Speaker 1: But even if they don't, all the people that they've
Speaker 1: brought in from the outside I think are gonna set
Speaker 1: them up. Well. I'm gonna go overrated. It is hard
Speaker 1: to overrated in the middle of July and hope season.
Speaker 3: No it's not.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to pull your takes out. I'm going
Speaker 1: to start with your Browns. Then I just want to
Speaker 1: go hard and just push against you and just say
Speaker 1: the Browns defense maybe a little overrated. And here's why
Speaker 1: I think that when a new coordinator shows up like
Speaker 1: happened for Jim Schwartz a year ago, and he immediately
Speaker 1: improves them, like by so much, you usually expect a
Speaker 1: little bit of a decline the following year. They had
Speaker 1: an easy schedule last year, but they went from sixteenth
Speaker 1: in DVA to first by a long shot. One of
Speaker 1: the best defenses we've seen in a long time, shook.
Speaker 1: And you look at where they're spending money. Warren Sharp
Speaker 1: put it out there today, one hundred and ninety million
Speaker 1: on their offense, the most expensive offense in the league.
Speaker 1: Not like I see a ton of holes in their defense,
Speaker 1: but I think it's natural that the schematic advantages that
Speaker 1: Schwartz brought last year aren't gonna necessarily carry over. You
Speaker 1: see this with defensive coaches a lot into year two.
Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe it started to show up in that
Speaker 1: playoff game when they got smoked by the Texans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's partially because the bar was so low
Speaker 2: going into last season with what Joe Woods have left behind,
Speaker 2: the former defensive coordinator, just playing guys out of position.
Speaker 2: Guys didn't know what they were doing deep into week fifteen,
Speaker 2: sixteen seventeen of the season. So Schwartz coming in was
Speaker 2: not necessarily a calming presence, but an organizing present and
Speaker 2: an aggressive presence, which voted well for their talent.
Speaker 3: But I totally agree.
Speaker 2: In fact, that's one of the things I included in
Speaker 2: the camp countdown for NFL dot Com was, is this
Speaker 2: Brown's defense actually, for realer was last year a bit
Speaker 2: of an aberration. I do think they come back to earth.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna be the best team, the
Speaker 2: best defense in terms of yards per game allowed in
Speaker 2: the NFL like they were last year. And you spoke
Speaker 2: about the soft schedule. I think about how they just
Speaker 2: feasted against teams with bad quarterback. Clayton Tune got his
Speaker 2: only start in the NFL last year against this Brown's defense.
Speaker 2: Of course, you're gonna post gaudy numbers when you get
Speaker 2: a few of those matchups. So yeah, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to disagree with you. I'm a realist and I totally
Speaker 2: agree on this one.
Speaker 1: The amount of professionalism is oozing from Shook. Not only
Speaker 1: did he plug his own podcast already, but he's willing
Speaker 1: to say his team's own defense might be overrated. And yeah,
Speaker 1: Shook hosts the only F one slash football podcast out there,
Speaker 1: So if you're into that, you should do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fun, It was fun doing the F one
Speaker 1: the grid Iron podcast are give me an over rated choice?
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I kind of was going to go
Speaker 2: in the same line as this, because this kills me
Speaker 2: the allure of a new offensive coordinator. This kind of
Speaker 2: falls in line with what you were just saying about
Speaker 2: the Browns and Jim Schwartz last year. I think back
Speaker 2: to the Ravens with Todd Monkin and how we heard
Speaker 2: so much about how they were finally gonna, finally going
Speaker 2: to throw the football effectively for the first time in
Speaker 2: the Lamar Jackson era, and yet they finished the regular
Speaker 2: season as the NFL's number one rushing offense.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Now, they did throw the ball better than previous years,
Speaker 2: but this is the time of year in which everybody
Speaker 2: gets behind that podium, they get behind the mic in
Speaker 2: front of all these reporters, and they say their offense
Speaker 2: is going to be juicy, and it's gonna be open,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be high powered. We're gonna stretch the field,
Speaker 2: pump the breaks just a little bit. Let's pump the
Speaker 2: breaks a little bit. A new coach and a new
Speaker 2: system isn't going to transform your team overnight. If you
Speaker 2: had one of the worst offenses in the league, it
Speaker 2: could get better, but it's not gonna be vastly better.
Speaker 1: So let's not okay, So you're just you're just saying
Speaker 1: the general concept of a coordinator saving you because I
Speaker 1: would say Todd Bunkin did a great job to use
Speaker 1: that example.
Speaker 3: Title game.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, only one team wins, as the Saint
Speaker 1: Brown Brothers like to point out, I mean they still
Speaker 1: were the best team in the regular season. Lamar won
Speaker 1: the MVP. For the most part, I thought the offense
Speaker 1: made a lot more sense, and it's going to be
Speaker 1: more sustainable, and I'm hopeful that Lamar is going to
Speaker 1: take a step this year, even though the talent around
Speaker 1: him in terms of the pass catchers aren't there. I
Speaker 1: think the model that they have is more sustainable on
Speaker 1: a year to year basis than it ever was under
Speaker 1: Greg Roman. But I hear you and I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying about offense in particular, I think it's harder
Speaker 1: for an offensive coordinator to come in and make as
Speaker 1: quick and as big an impact than on defense, where
Speaker 1: I do think scheme can matter and overcome bad talent.
Speaker 1: Like I've been listening to Dinard Wilson, the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, and the way they want to attack things,
Speaker 1: and he's, yeah, he's from the Baltimore School, but he's
Speaker 1: also from the Greg Williams school out there, and he
Speaker 1: just wants to go crazy and attack, and like that
Speaker 1: can fix you for a year or two if you're
Speaker 1: well coached. Like Brian Flores did not have a talented
Speaker 1: defense last year and he got them to the top
Speaker 1: for a while. I'm gonna go overrated next. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go Baker Mayfield's job security. And here's the thing, Like
Speaker 1: he got that contract and it feels like, oh, finally
Speaker 1: we've got the team that respects me and everything's great.
Speaker 1: And you just look at his career, Nick, I don't
Speaker 1: need to tell you this as a Browns fan of
Speaker 1: just every year is totally different. There's big ups, big downs.
Speaker 1: He's a streaky quarterback, and he's losing his offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: Dave Canalis, who to me was so vital. And then
Speaker 1: you look at the contract itself. How much guaranteed money
Speaker 1: is into twenty twenty five ten million dollars. That's the
Speaker 1: type of guaranteed money that we've seen teams eat over
Speaker 1: and over. The Seahawks ate way more than that for
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, But Derek Carr with the Raiders, for instance,
Speaker 1: like if he doesn't play well this year, who knows
Speaker 1: if that coaching staff is back. I don't really trust
Speaker 1: the coordinator. It's Liam Cohen, who did not have a
Speaker 1: great year when he was with Sean McVay in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two. If you couldn't make it work with Sean McVay,
Speaker 1: are you going to make it work with Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: and Todd Bowles? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I agreed very much again, and I don't I'd hate
Speaker 2: to not disagree with you for the sake of entertaining
Speaker 2: podcast banter. But I mean twenty eighteen, Baker, you know,
Speaker 2: turns the Browns around. Coming in as a rookie twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: he's awful, and he's kind of overweight.
Speaker 3: And just you know, thinks that everything's made for him already.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty he's back again and he's playing well. Twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one, not so great, leads the Browns to ultimately
Speaker 2: make the decision that they made. I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: been very up and down. Maybe he's just well, I
Speaker 2: would say an even the year's quarterback, but last year
Speaker 2: he had a pretty solid He had his best year
Speaker 2: of his career. You know, I just railed against the
Speaker 2: fact that a new offensive coordinator isn't going to transform
Speaker 2: your team, but losing an offensive coordinator can hurt you
Speaker 2: very significantly, especially one who oversees the transformation like Dave
Speaker 2: Canalis did with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3: So I'm on.
Speaker 2: Board with you there as well. And it's not because
Speaker 2: I'm a Baker hater or anything like that. It's just
Speaker 2: that if you watch those a lot of those games
Speaker 2: last year, they were fun to watch, but they were
Speaker 2: also like living on the razors edge for a lot
Speaker 2: of it. The first seven weeks of the season last
Speaker 2: year just felt like Baker was dropping back and just
Speaker 2: chucking it to Mike Evans and hoping it worked out.
Speaker 3: So it isn't a bad plan for errors. Slimmer than
Speaker 3: we think.
Speaker 1: Right, he still is not going to be a guy
Speaker 1: who is able to create enough his arms. His arm
Speaker 1: is great if he's protected well, if they have a
Speaker 1: great offensive line, then all look stupid. But I think
Speaker 1: Canalis was really important in making him read the game,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's a skill set that's just going to
Speaker 1: stick with him now. But he got rid of the
Speaker 1: ball quicker, which to me is everything for Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: All right, give me something underrated.
Speaker 2: Shuck, all right, underrated, let's go with a full season
Speaker 2: with Kyler Murray and Arizona. I feel like we're not
Speaker 2: paying attention. Not that we necessarily need to pay a
Speaker 2: lot of attention to the Cardinals, but the Cardinals were
Speaker 2: an afterthought from week one last year because they did
Speaker 2: not have Kyler Murray in the fold. If you watched
Speaker 2: them once he came back, they became kind of a
Speaker 2: fun watch. That game they played against Pittsburgh with like
Speaker 2: three hours worth of delays was a fun watch if
Speaker 2: you got the short and condensed version didn't have to
Speaker 2: sit through the live broadcast. That's the type of team
Speaker 2: that I find interest in, not because they're going to
Speaker 2: win a lot of games, but just because nobody's talking
Speaker 2: about them, and I think Kyler with a full season
Speaker 2: in Arizona. Now, Jonathan Gann's second season as a head coach,
Speaker 2: Drew Petching's second season as the offensive coordinator, I'm curious
Speaker 2: to see what step they take forward because they don't
Speaker 2: have a big excuse anymore, which last year was we
Speaker 2: don't have Kyler. We have Josh Dobbs and Clayton Tune
Speaker 2: and whoever else you got Kyler.
Speaker 3: Now, let's see what you can do.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: This is going to be a recurring tame on this
Speaker 1: show until we get the game started. Like I'm very
Speaker 1: high on Kyler this year and the development that he
Speaker 1: showed as a quarterback. He's still so young. He is
Speaker 1: that guy that you're like, I can't believe he's still
Speaker 1: only twenty seven years old. I like Michael Wilson as
Speaker 1: a two, and he showed something as a rookie. I
Speaker 1: obviously love Marvin Harrison, Junior Tree McBride. We had in
Speaker 1: the top five of the entire league right now as
Speaker 1: a tight end. So I think they're going to be
Speaker 1: fun to that to me, is the most compelling division
Speaker 1: to watch. Sticking in the West, I'm gonna go Chargers
Speaker 1: offensive line as underrated, just weirdly like the Jim Harbor
Speaker 1: Chargers seven gotten a ton of pop this offseason. And
Speaker 1: to get Joe allt like in the first round of
Speaker 1: that draft and put him at one tackle and Rashaan
Speaker 1: Slater at the other. And I know you lost Corey
Speaker 1: Linsley who retired, but they did get ready for that
Speaker 1: with the signing Bradley Boseman. We'll see how that works out.
Speaker 1: But I think they like Trey Pickens at guard like
Speaker 1: that is a nasty tackle combination, and I think they're
Speaker 1: going to get really creative in the running game in
Speaker 1: those two tackles especially, are going to be able to
Speaker 1: play football. I think the way Jim Harbaugh wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think the Chargers are getting nearly
Speaker 2: enough attention and enough press. And maybe it's just the
Speaker 2: anti Harball situation where everybody's tired of hearing from Jim.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: I understand he's an abrasive figure, but we should be
Speaker 2: paying more attention to the Chargers because of all the
Speaker 2: changes they've undergone this offseason since moving on for Brandon
Speaker 2: Staley and hiring Jim Harbaugh and remaking their front office
Speaker 2: and everything else. Often you hear people that are you know,
Speaker 2: reporting on teams, covering teams, or following teams talk about
Speaker 2: bookend tackles. We got bookend tackles. Bookend tackles only matter
Speaker 2: and only you have significance on paper unless they are
Speaker 2: actually playing like bookend tackles. And this is the first
Speaker 2: tackle Tanem I can think of in quite some time
Speaker 2: where I look at it on paper before they even
Speaker 2: go out and produce and think, yeah, those guys are
Speaker 2: gonna be there for the next five ten years, Like
Speaker 2: this is rock solid and exactly what Justin Herbert needs
Speaker 2: considering how much he got beat up last year. If
Speaker 2: those guys are healthy, he's gonna stay healthy and they're
Speaker 2: gonna flourish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm totally with you all. Felt like a weirdly
Speaker 1: safe pick. And I know we say that sometimes about
Speaker 1: tackles then it doesn't work out, but also steal with
Speaker 1: it with it is a steal. Yeah, an incredible ceiling.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward that they got the training camp. It's
Speaker 1: just starting, like it's just happening, just just on Thursday, Nick,
Speaker 1: Like I listen to a practice report from an actual
Speaker 1: training camp practice tank. Dell was supposedly beating Kwame Lassiter,
Speaker 1: the Texans second round pick, significantly. I would expect tinked
Speaker 1: out to beat basically any cornerback in a non padded situation,
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't get too carried up about that way
Speaker 1: with that. But I just felt I felt alive again
Speaker 1: that we're actually getting these reports now. All right, give
Speaker 1: me uh overrated, underrated, whatever you want. We're gonna run
Speaker 1: out of time, since give me give me your best.
Speaker 3: Okay, overrated.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be drawing a lot of heat for this
Speaker 2: and I'll take it where JJ McCarthy was drafted. Not
Speaker 2: that he's overrated overall because he's got a great coach
Speaker 2: in Kevin O'Connell, which I tagged this with, but underrated
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell because he's the guy to help develop him.
Speaker 2: But my god, I know he won a ton of
Speaker 2: games at Michigan, and that was a fantastic program that
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh had built. They were a machine, especially defensively,
Speaker 2: and he was a winner. But when we're scouting for
Speaker 2: more than it feels like a Baker Mayfield comparison to me,
Speaker 2: where it's.
Speaker 3: Like that guy, he's a winner. He's won in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: His teammates loved him the whole John Dorsey, I watched
Speaker 2: Baker walk into the pro day and they he whistled
Speaker 2: and they all went who or whatever back to him.
Speaker 2: That guy's a locker room guy. I got the same
Speaker 2: vibe surrounding McCarthy.
Speaker 1: And do you get these vibes because he's a Michigan
Speaker 1: guy and you're an Ohio State guy.
Speaker 2: No, because I respect him and I hated watching him
Speaker 2: scramble for first down on third and eight repeatedly. And
Speaker 2: that's what you can do in college and you can
Speaker 2: do that in the pros too. But let's not act
Speaker 2: like this guy is in the same realm as some
Speaker 2: of the other top quarterbacks drafted. Give him time is
Speaker 2: what I'm asking for. Give him time to get ready
Speaker 2: to play, all right, that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, physically like he has all the traits. So that
Speaker 1: got me back on board. But I'm totally with you.
Speaker 1: It is always a red flag when anyone going near
Speaker 1: the top of either the NFL or NBA draft uh
Speaker 1: starts getting lauded for their intangibles. First, Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like that's you know, we've we've been through Tebow.
Speaker 1: We don't want to hear about the intangibles. I want
Speaker 1: the tangiraft but I think JJ McCarthy has those. He's
Speaker 1: just so young, doesn't have a lot of experience. My
Speaker 1: last underrated is going to be just Amiko Ryan's ability
Speaker 1: to make players better, make them money like that, to
Speaker 1: me is the ultimate test of a coach is you
Speaker 1: take someone that wasn't successful with other coaches and you
Speaker 1: make them successful. Blake Cashman got rich in Minnesota because
Speaker 1: he was on Demico Ryan's team. Stingley was a much
Speaker 1: better cornerback in his second year. He's on this top
Speaker 1: ten cornerbacks list for ESPN because of that. Jonathan Gernard,
Speaker 1: I think they're believing that Tomiko Ryans maybe made him
Speaker 1: better than he really is. Desmond Kings, Stephen Nelson, all
Speaker 1: that really just guys that I think Tomiico Ryan made
Speaker 1: better than he is. One last thing, actually, I want
Speaker 1: to point out on that cornerback list, Nick, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw that the ESPN the executives rank
Speaker 1: the top ten cornerbacks. They went through every position, and yes,
Speaker 1: Stingley was number ten on that list, which I thought
Speaker 1: was well earned for him and one of the guys
Speaker 1: said that, soas Gardner, who ranked third on the list,
Speaker 1: was the most overrated player in the NFL, and he
Speaker 1: actually ranked behind your guy, Denzel Ward. I was a
Speaker 1: little shocked by that. How is sos Gardner? To me
Speaker 1: is not overrated.
Speaker 3: This is one of my overrated choices. Is anonymous offseason rankings.
Speaker 3: You're gonna slam somebody put your name on it.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, it's Sauce.
Speaker 2: Gardner's a hell of a cornerback. And the numbers back
Speaker 2: it up, the tape backs it up. There's it's indisputable.
Speaker 1: Okay, he would have been one on my list. I
Speaker 1: know Sirtanga won, but if I'm just betting on who
Speaker 1: i'd want for this year, it's Gardner. And one of
Speaker 1: the complaints is like, oh, he gets away with so
Speaker 1: much holding. Yeah, that's a skill. That's what I want.
Speaker 2: You know, who has that skill? Who doesn't have that
Speaker 2: skill yet, who hasn't developed it yet? Joey Porter Junior
Speaker 2: gets tagged for holding all the time. Saft Garter knows
Speaker 2: how to get away with it.
Speaker 1: That's the difference, right You know who had that in
Speaker 1: spades was like Stefan Gillmore when he won defensive player there,
Speaker 1: you know who had that, like Thrill Reevis, That's that's
Speaker 1: what the greats have, So that was that was a
Speaker 1: strange one. It just reminds me though, because I saw
Speaker 1: I read this list before, you know, along with all
Speaker 1: the other positions. I think it's I like it. It's
Speaker 1: catnip for me to just look at what the league thinks.
Speaker 1: But cornerback had the most variation. Like, cornerback is the
Speaker 1: position where everyone's like, I don't know, like I don't
Speaker 1: know who we're gonna count on year to year, like,
Speaker 1: and some guys were just totally unranked and some guys
Speaker 1: were three, whereas there's consensus at other positions. It is
Speaker 1: the toughest position.
Speaker 2: It's volatile though, Greg Like I mean, Ajterrell's listed as
Speaker 2: an honorable mention. He was one of my best corners
Speaker 2: two years ago according next to Gen's debt right and
Speaker 2: I was a dog.
Speaker 3: And then he had a down year the next year.
Speaker 1: So I would still put him in the top five
Speaker 1: or six, because you got you gotta look at the
Speaker 1: long view. But cornerbacks are very up and down. You
Speaker 1: are not up and down shooky. You're consistent as how
Speaker 1: you're properly rated, maybe underrated. We're working on that. You're
Speaker 1: going to join me at the end of the show
Speaker 1: and we are going to get that EA College Football
Speaker 1: preview in just three minutes from you. You can't go
Speaker 1: over three minutes. You could go under if you want.
Speaker 1: But first we're going to talk to Ian Rapaport about
Speaker 1: those trades back up to this back on NFL Daily
Speaker 1: and it is that time a week where we bringing
Speaker 1: an insider, and you know Ian Rapaport, he's competitive, he's
Speaker 1: not letting these other insiders get into this weekly segment.
Speaker 1: It's the NFL National Insider. Yeah, yeah, you know Mike carefully,
Speaker 1: we'll get to him a little later in the show.
Speaker 1: Got some pop on Hard Not I don't know how
Speaker 1: you feel about that. We got Pallisero. I saw him
Speaker 1: out here this week. He's doing Rich Eisen Show. He's
Speaker 1: doing all sorts of things. But you know, we go
Speaker 1: to the best to start and that's you, Ian, And
Speaker 1: I am curious for your thoughts about DeVante Adams's status
Speaker 1: being such a talking point in this total quiet part
Speaker 1: of the year and whether there's like anything to that,
Speaker 1: and even if there's nothing to it before the season
Speaker 1: that whether there could be something to it during the season.
Speaker 5: You know, first of all, let me just say this.
Speaker 5: I've done this a long time. I think this is
Speaker 5: my thirteenth season, but I've counted properly with NFL Network,
Speaker 5: and one thing I will never do is say something
Speaker 5: is nothing right. Like I remember, we interviewed Dion Dawkins
Speaker 5: on Insiders that will air tonight, and he's talking about
Speaker 5: Stefan Diggs and it kind of brought me back to
Speaker 5: when everyone told me two different organsations that Stefan Diggs
Speaker 5: was definitely not getting traded. Minnesota and Buffalo got traded
Speaker 5: both times. So I will never say never, not about
Speaker 5: Devontae Adams, but with literally anything, anything as possible. It's
Speaker 5: the NFL things happen. I think the reason why it's
Speaker 5: being talked about now is because Aaron Rodgers said something
Speaker 5: to a reporter about looking forward to playing with Devinta
Speaker 5: Adams again or something like that, and then whoever's watch
Speaker 5: receiver can see that last year there was some discomfort
Speaker 5: and frustration between DeVante and Jimmy g and the Raiders.
Speaker 5: I don't get the sense anything is going on right
Speaker 5: now whatsoever at all with devint in the Raiders. He
Speaker 5: is going to be there. He is going to be
Speaker 5: a Raider. If somehow the season goes terribly and they
Speaker 5: want to move on from him or they can get
Speaker 5: something real from him, I'm sure teams will be calling.
Speaker 5: I haven't gotten any indication at all that this is
Speaker 5: something the Raiders would listen to. I haven't gotten any
Speaker 5: indication that this is something that DeVonta Adams wants. But basically,
Speaker 5: what happens in the NFL is someone starts something and
Speaker 5: until it is literally dead. It exists in the world
Speaker 5: where people will call teams, like media will start a
Speaker 5: rumor and about a player maybe getting traded. A team
Speaker 5: will then call the team that the players on and say, hey,
Speaker 5: is this true, and then it's like WHOA, this team
Speaker 5: received a trade call. It happens all the time. So
Speaker 5: I think that's why it's kind of happening with DeVante
Speaker 5: and it probably won't be dead until he retires a
Speaker 5: member of the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Right, And I don't think that's going to happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: he doesn't make sense on that team. If they're losing
Speaker 1: games now, if they if they're winning, if they're competitive,
Speaker 1: it's fine. But he's thirty two years old and he'll
Speaker 1: be competitive. I think they will too. But thirty two
Speaker 1: years old, the contract is at such a point that
Speaker 1: they could trade him now and actually, you know, save
Speaker 1: money someone you know Patrick. Throughout the idea on this show,
Speaker 1: that sounded just crazy enough that it almost made sense,
Speaker 1: Like what about Brandon Ayuk for DeVante Adams? Like who says, no,
Speaker 1: come on, let's have some fun, let's get like the NBA,
Speaker 1: and don't you just get jealous of all their fun stuff? No? No,
Speaker 1: But do you think it at all? Do you think
Speaker 1: you could happen? Because I actually do think that would
Speaker 1: make sense for both sides, because the Raiders could you know,
Speaker 1: they would get something back for him, and you know
Speaker 1: they make DeVante happy and the forty nine ers are
Speaker 1: in win now mode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, except I don't know why though, I don't know
Speaker 5: why either of those teams would do it, being totally honest,
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess the Raiders would sort of make sense.
Speaker 5: The hardest thing, first of all, those trades don't really
Speaker 5: happen in the NFL.
Speaker 3: They just don't.
Speaker 5: Salary cap is too hard, finding the value is too hard,
Speaker 5: Like we could workshop it, but like trying to figure
Speaker 5: out what that actually is worth. You have a young,
Speaker 5: in your prime star receiver like Brandon Ayuk who's very good,
Speaker 5: not justin Jefferson, maybe not I'm in Ross Saint Brown,
Speaker 5: but really super close, excellent, excellent, excellent player, young and
Speaker 5: about to get a huge contract near thirty million dollars
Speaker 5: whatever that ends up being at Adams, who is still
Speaker 5: awesome but older with big money. Like, how do you
Speaker 5: actually value that? It's too hard, and I think you're
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers like, yes, getting a great player
Speaker 5: back would make sense, but then like how long do
Speaker 5: you have him for? And if you want a great receiver,
Speaker 5: why don't you just have the great receiver that you
Speaker 5: currently have and pay him what you would probably end
Speaker 5: up paying Devont Adams anyway.
Speaker 1: Don't don't keep making sense, But I'm with you. I
Speaker 1: think I think in Adams trade would be more likely
Speaker 1: in the season than an Ayuk trade at any time.
Speaker 1: I don't really see the forty nine ers wanting to
Speaker 1: trade Ayuk. We're getting close to camp.
Speaker 5: There's not a lot of precedent for that. I'm sorry, right,
Speaker 5: there's not a lot of precedent for great teams trading
Speaker 5: great players when you can't, Like if the forty nine
Speaker 5: ers trade Ayuk, which I do not think is gonna.
Speaker 1: Hap would be one, but they won't be able, But
Speaker 1: that would be one.
Speaker 5: But like the Bills are in probably a little bit
Speaker 5: of a different mode right now than the forty nine ers.
Speaker 5: The only comp I could ever see is the Patriots
Speaker 5: cutting their top defensive back right before the season. That
Speaker 5: would be the only one I could ever think about,
Speaker 5: But it almost never happens.
Speaker 1: Do you think a Jordan Love contract happens before training camp,
Speaker 1: during training camp, or before the season.
Speaker 5: I think it's so tough to say. My guess is
Speaker 5: probably yes. And this is based on not reporting, but
Speaker 5: just my sense of things. Because he's a really good player.
Speaker 5: He is only going like this, And from the people
Speaker 5: I talked to around the league, the people who really
Speaker 5: study and watch these things, like they feel who knows,
Speaker 5: but they feel like he is on a rocket shit. Yes,
Speaker 5: And generally, if you have a player like that, then
Speaker 5: those guys get paid, if only because you're gonna pay
Speaker 5: him eventually, pay him now rather than pay him like
Speaker 5: sixty million or whatever it is, or sixty one million
Speaker 5: next year. So that is my argument, like, I think
Speaker 5: there was a while when people weren't sure what he
Speaker 5: was going to be, even the packers. He looks like
Speaker 5: he is going to be a really, really really good player.
Speaker 1: I like it when you say that's not based on
Speaker 1: your reporting, because you know, I can almost hear the
Speaker 1: wheels turning. Ian has so much information and so much stuff,
Speaker 1: and he can only allow like a certain amount out
Speaker 1: and he has to like Pilfer and decipher what he
Speaker 1: can actually say publicly. We're gonna get it out of you. Ian,
Speaker 1: Why are you making that face these days?
Speaker 5: Uh No, it's just so. The reason is because there's
Speaker 5: so much aggregation these days that God forbid you say
Speaker 5: something that's not like properly in one hundred percent source.
Speaker 5: It's like report Jordan Love extension will get done, which
Speaker 5: is like, not what I said. But no one listens
Speaker 5: to anyone anyway.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I've got my eye on this Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: situation before we let you go. Just that he clearly
Speaker 1: wants the new contract. He's he's got a couple of years.
Speaker 1: A new contract for him would be so much and
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Dolphins are going to prioritize
Speaker 1: that so it actually could be a situation where the
Speaker 1: two sides aren't very happy with each other. What do
Speaker 1: you get a sense of with Tyreek Hill?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think they know that he wants
Speaker 5: some sort of adjustment. You know, historically, there's a way
Speaker 5: to do this without killing yourself, right. I mean, I
Speaker 5: think the Raiders did probably a really smart deal with
Speaker 5: Max Crosby. I think it was six million more they
Speaker 5: gave him. Didn't affect next year, just this year. Made
Speaker 5: a really good team leader, good guy happy.
Speaker 1: And they just gave him more money. That almost never happens.
Speaker 1: That's shocking when teams do that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it, you know, but the way they did it
Speaker 5: happens where you take money from the back end of
Speaker 5: because I believe this is the way to take money
Speaker 5: for the back end of the contract. Move it up
Speaker 5: like that happens. So I think the Marshawn Lynch example
Speaker 5: is probably the most famous one when we all thought
Speaker 5: they were going to have a divorce and they just
Speaker 5: end up giving him more money. I think there are
Speaker 5: ways to do it for Tyreek Kill. But to me,
Speaker 5: it does feel like the priority is the quarterback. Now
Speaker 5: that's not done, and you know, I don't know if
Speaker 5: it will get done. And again like there's some optimism,
Speaker 5: but nothing's done until it's done. But that's my sens
Speaker 5: is the quarterback is probably more of a priority. And
Speaker 5: then for Tyreek, I mean he's he's thirty, but he's
Speaker 5: still great and he's got a lot of years left.
Speaker 5: Like there are ways to do that without killing yours.
Speaker 1: Okay, And just just wonder, not that I'm rooting for
Speaker 1: things to go to go poorly. I want that team
Speaker 1: to do well, but they got a lot to manage.
Speaker 5: Aren't you always rooting for chaos?
Speaker 1: I mean yes, in general, which is why I'm going
Speaker 1: to introduce this next sound clip of a deal that
Speaker 1: did get done. Ian you often are a part of
Speaker 1: these Hard Knocks episodes because they show the NFL network reports,
Speaker 1: and look they got they got an NFL network up
Speaker 1: all day. It's all Judy Batista, it's all Mike Careful,
Speaker 1: it's all Ian rapport. So let's actually listen in to
Speaker 1: a part of Hard Knocks where the Giants were watching
Speaker 1: our network report, the Brian Burns trade.
Speaker 5: Carolina Panthers move on Giants, Land of Pass Rusher, Burns
Speaker 5: gets paid, all the things happen at the exact same time.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: You think this was stressful for Giants general manager Joe Shane.
Speaker 3: Was stressful for this guy.
Speaker 1: You gotta chill out, now, you got to relax.
Speaker 3: He was so on a all day long. We were
Speaker 3: talking about this.
Speaker 1: If you're watching or you have a chance to watch
Speaker 1: that clip on YouTube or on HBO Max, just the
Speaker 1: look of love from Joe Shane's face endearing to Mike Garafolo.
Speaker 1: Just are you jealous as an insider that he got
Speaker 1: that big of a reaction from Joe Shane.
Speaker 5: No, because Mike is talking about me, and you can't
Speaker 5: really tell on the show. They kind of make it
Speaker 5: seem like he's talking about Joe. Mike's talking about me.
Speaker 5: Because that day I probably had a good feeling, let's
Speaker 5: just say, good feeling that the Burns trade was done,
Speaker 5: probably more than two hours from when I was able
Speaker 5: to report it firmly, officially agreed to my all sides
Speaker 5: and done, and like you know, it was great to
Speaker 5: break it. I'm very happy that it worked out that way.
Speaker 5: I'm very happy that Hard Knock showed that clip. It
Speaker 5: was so miserable, it was so miserable and the amount
Speaker 5: of things that had to happen for that deal to
Speaker 5: get done and then for me to break it. It
Speaker 5: was one of the most stressful things. I mean, it
Speaker 5: was like a nine month saga, honestly, and I was
Speaker 5: tracking every bit of it, and you know, you want
Speaker 5: to win, you want to break the story. But the
Speaker 5: two hours where I was pretty sure was getting done
Speaker 5: but couldn't get it one hundred percent confirmed that it
Speaker 5: was actually done. We're definitely some of the most painful
Speaker 5: I've had as a reporter. And then to get it
Speaker 5: was great. But that's what Mike's talking about this club,
Speaker 5: which I think Joe appreciates how absolutely awful it was
Speaker 5: to wait and make sure that it was done, so
Speaker 5: that's kind.
Speaker 1: Of why he's just the look of affection to me
Speaker 1: was was something, But like, why do you put yourself
Speaker 1: through that? Ian? I think in our roles we all
Speaker 1: have some sort of emptiness inside of us that we're
Speaker 1: trying to fill, But like, why why put yourself through that?
Speaker 1: For what.
Speaker 5: I like to deliver the people that follow very closely
Speaker 5: the news as soon as human I possible, I'll look
Speaker 5: it in and I like to tell people what I
Speaker 5: know as soon as I can, and when I don't
Speaker 5: get to do that, it really eats at me. I'm
Speaker 5: really just a man of the people, and I want
Speaker 5: to give them what they want, which is trades and
Speaker 5: contracts and news.
Speaker 1: It just seems extremely stressful way to live that You're
Speaker 1: you're never off the clock, but that's stress. That's between
Speaker 1: you and you know, your therapist if you have one,
Speaker 1: or you and your wife. And you seem like you
Speaker 1: guys are doing great. You're doing great. You're you got
Speaker 1: back to back appearances here on NFL Daily. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what we might have to go to Garafolo
Speaker 1: next week, because you know, he seems like the insider.
Speaker 1: Maybe you would resent the most if he got this
Speaker 1: coveted spot next time around.
Speaker 5: I mean, Mike got a lot of buzz this week
Speaker 5: from breaking news on the golf course, so he deserves shining.
Speaker 1: There we go, Thank you Ian again. Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have an insider on every week. Appreciate the insight. We're
Speaker 1: gonna wrap up the show just after this break with
Speaker 1: Nick Chuk talking a little e a college football.
Speaker 4: It was my first year I'm bringing a TV, so
Speaker 4: I haven't brought a TV ever before, but INTUBLEA came.
Speaker 1: Out and I'm gonna have to turn it on.
Speaker 4: So I brought a TV for inch DOUBLEA in the Olympics.
Speaker 4: So that's my first year doing that.
Speaker 1: That was Patrick Mahomes, of course, talking about EA Sports
Speaker 1: College Football twenty five. If you're on the internet this week,
Speaker 1: or if you played a video game at any point
Speaker 1: in the last fifteen years, this is not news to you.
Speaker 1: This is, you know, maybe the biggest sports gamer news.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And how long shooky you are a
Speaker 1: burgeoning gamer.
Speaker 2: The biggest sports video game release ever. Wow, if not
Speaker 2: ever a close second. No game has gone dormant on
Speaker 2: hiatus for a decade that was so beloved and then
Speaker 2: suddenly came back with eleven years more of technology and
Speaker 2: authenticity and attention to detail and you know TLC that.
Speaker 3: It needed like this, this is ever happened before.
Speaker 2: I was in EA in Orlando at EA and in
Speaker 2: May in late May. In late May, we're playing this
Speaker 2: game and I could not drop the controller. I didn't
Speaker 2: want to move for four hours. So now you fast
Speaker 2: forward to here, we're getting tens of hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: of people, millions of people who are so desperate to
Speaker 2: play this game. They've been playing a game at eleven
Speaker 2: years old for the last ten years with mods and everything.
Speaker 2: Now they get a new one. It's like Christmas for
Speaker 2: these people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're one of those people. I know you've
Speaker 1: already won that championship we showed. I'm very proud of
Speaker 1: the two lane Green Wave. But before I throw it
Speaker 1: to you, and I like that, you're sneaking in some
Speaker 1: extra takes before we even get to your three minute review,
Speaker 1: so you're really tacking on. I do want to just
Speaker 1: show the listeners who are watching on YouTube, but also
Speaker 1: for the audio audience obviously, just a taste of what
Speaker 1: Nick Schuk has been doing on his twitch stream, because yeah,
Speaker 1: he is a major gamer. So this is what happens.
Speaker 1: We're gonna listen to Nick Shook when he scores a
Speaker 1: touchdown playing EA college football.
Speaker 2: All right, first reads are one second read square, third
Speaker 2: readers pray.
Speaker 1: They'll try to pass it in on third and goal.
Speaker 3: Get in there, Tommy, Get in there, Tommy, let's go
Speaker 3: the first time. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, now Nick in his tank top is pumping
Speaker 1: his fist to lights on. I mean, how much is
Speaker 1: the production, buzzet budget. Here. The lights are flashing. That
Speaker 1: is amazing. I want to play that they're on right now.
Speaker 1: I want to play the every time where you're on
Speaker 1: the show. That is amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can catch that at Twitch dot tv slash
Speaker 2: the Nick Shook, you can find it there. We are
Speaker 2: doing a Kent State rebuild. That was the first game
Speaker 2: we were playing. Pitt one star program. Kent State one
Speaker 2: of the worst in the Kingdom the nation, my alma
Speaker 2: mater who I saw nearly go to the Orange Bowl
Speaker 2: when I was in college. We fallen and we were
Speaker 2: never really up that high to begin with. But we
Speaker 2: are going to turn them around. Arting right now with
Speaker 2: my rebuild of Kent State over on Twitch.
Speaker 3: Part of my enjoyment of the game.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love the blinking lights, I love
Speaker 1: the tanked up. If you're going to put in all
Speaker 1: that work, like, really, what's the point? On some level,
Speaker 1: that's what I think, But that's the point. You got
Speaker 1: to show it off. You got to show those guns
Speaker 1: in the biggest of spots. All right, you have a
Speaker 1: three minutes to make your pitch talk about EA college football,
Speaker 1: and we are going to start right now and kick
Speaker 1: over three minutes's hooky?
Speaker 2: All right, well, hopefully I have a time at Greg.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you something real quick. What's your favorite
Speaker 2: part about a sports narrative? Is it the destination or.
Speaker 3: Is it the journey?
Speaker 1: It's the journey.
Speaker 3: It's the journey, and.
Speaker 2: The journey is what this game is all about. People
Speaker 2: love college football for the journey, the story of a
Speaker 2: program being built, and you are in full control of that.
Speaker 2: With college football twenty five is dynasty mode, where you
Speaker 2: can choose any school. You could start as a coordinator.
Speaker 2: You can get a job somewhere else if you don't
Speaker 2: like your school. I just won with Tulane, Florida wanted
Speaker 2: to hire me, I take the job. Hell no, because
Speaker 2: I'm down for the Green Wave and Greg Rosenthal's ama mater.
Speaker 3: We're winning multiple national titles. Games got worse in the
Speaker 3: off season.
Speaker 2: And why should you play this game? Because you can
Speaker 2: have the same experience or your own experience. You could
Speaker 2: take your skills on the grid iron two online and
Speaker 2: play through you know, ranked matchups in college football.
Speaker 3: With some of the best.
Speaker 2: You want to play Alabama Texas in their first SEC matchup.
Speaker 2: You got it, and you got everything else and attention
Speaker 2: to authenticity. Years in the years, literally five years of
Speaker 2: work building this game from the ground up. And for
Speaker 2: those of you who say it's a Madden reeskin, you're wrong.
Speaker 2: I've played both, including the new one. They're different games
Speaker 2: in this game is enjoyable as all hell.
Speaker 1: It's play the new Madden.
Speaker 2: Yeah I have.
Speaker 3: I've played tested it.
Speaker 1: Breaking news any different, any different?
Speaker 3: It is different.
Speaker 2: There are some improvements, but College Football twenty five might
Speaker 2: be the best football game I've ever played.
Speaker 3: In fact, I will go so far as the saying
Speaker 3: is wow, get yours now.
Speaker 1: Wow. I didn't expect this to just be a full
Speaker 1: throated cell job of EA college football, but hey, that's
Speaker 1: part of being a reviewer. When you recognize greatness, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta bump it up, you gotta.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a there's a few things you gotta fix.
Speaker 2: The computer defense runs too much press coverage right now,
Speaker 2: and if you have a fast receiver, it's it's easy pickings.
Speaker 2: There's an issue with running into the kicker that pops
Speaker 2: up occasionally for people. I know it has not really
Speaker 2: happened for me, but my god, the experience, Greg, It's
Speaker 2: just it's like they took the last game, and they
Speaker 2: gave ten years of innovation to it, and they treated
Speaker 2: it with the proper love and care that everybody expected.
Speaker 3: And it's a blast.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: I've ever I've everaged four hours of sleep this week.
Speaker 1: Greg, Okay, the only complaint I've heard is like the
Speaker 1: defensive backs, their hands are way too good for for
Speaker 1: D one athletes or for any defensive backs. Like you
Speaker 1: should not be intercepting the ball that much that easily. Ah,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I do know.
Speaker 2: It's like that's on you for throwing bad passes. By
Speaker 2: the way, that's an internet criticism passing the blame.
Speaker 1: It's such a big deal, and uh, I'm excited. My
Speaker 1: son's been begging me for it. I just don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm I'm in on like getting him two games
Speaker 1: a year now, so I've held off for now with
Speaker 1: the college football, but he loves building it. We'll see
Speaker 1: you've you've sold me pretty well, Nick Shook, And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's been our after dinner min today. Just a little
Speaker 1: something extra with Nick Shook and the video game world.
Speaker 1: It's been a fun second week of NFL Daily. I
Speaker 1: really appreciate everyone who has been listening every day and
Speaker 1: checking us out on YouTube and giving us feedback and
Speaker 1: looks it's been great and it's only going to get better.
Speaker 1: Training camp is off and running. By the time we
Speaker 1: come back on Monday, Shook, we might even have some news,
Speaker 1: some like training camp flow of like practice so much.
Speaker 1: It's all happening, and we'll have it covered every day
Speaker 1: on NFL Daily until next week. And yeah, that Monday
Speaker 1: show is going to be fun. We've got Jordan Roudrieg
Speaker 1: in the mix. We've got Patrick Claybun on the mix.
Speaker 1: We love Nick Shook back next week as well. Until then,
Speaker 1: talk to you next time.