WEBVTT - THE LAST SOVIET - EP 6: Pioneers and Pirates

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<v Speaker 1>In a Moscow TV studio. A thirty something guy with thick,

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<v Speaker 1>wavy hair leans forward in his chair. His name is

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<v Speaker 1>Artemy Troitzky, the barricade building journalist from the last episode.

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<v Speaker 1>He's about to invite you to something revolutionary from my

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<v Speaker 1>TV offices. I've made the last announcement alive, saying the

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<v Speaker 1>Gagart Party is starting very soon. You are welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the first ever Rave in Moscow, the first ever Rave

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<v Speaker 1>in Moscow, a rager to end all ragers and named

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<v Speaker 1>after your Gagarin, the first human to journey into space.

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<v Speaker 1>And it will be techno music played all night, Russian,

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<v Speaker 1>Latvian and German and French DJs, and the location also

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<v Speaker 1>cosmonaut themed. The Space Pavilion a museum dedicated to the

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<v Speaker 1>glories of the space program. It was like Snayland. You

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<v Speaker 1>walk in, There's a curved ceiling made of glass. It's dark,

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<v Speaker 1>the music so loud you feel it in your chest.

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<v Speaker 1>All around you are models and relics from the Soviets

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<v Speaker 1>glorious space program, satellites, the capsule that sent Gagaren into space,

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<v Speaker 1>gagaren space suit from his flight. And the place is

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<v Speaker 1>packed bodies, sweating, bodies, dancing, throwing their heads up to

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<v Speaker 1>the sky, young people free at last to party. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that the whole of cool Moscow was there, artists, actors, models,

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<v Speaker 1>the new generation creating something beautiful from the ashes of

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<v Speaker 1>the old world. We felt like a brand new country

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<v Speaker 1>which is aiming at the bright future, which will be

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<v Speaker 1>totally different from what we've had before. But what would

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<v Speaker 1>that mean for the cosmonauts, the Soviet citizens who once

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<v Speaker 1>represented the future? What would happen to them in the

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<v Speaker 1>new Russia. I'm Lance bass And from Kaleidoscope Exile and

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<v Speaker 1>iHeart Podcasts. This is the last Soviet mingling with the

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<v Speaker 1>rush hour traffic, army armored personnel carriers on the streets

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<v Speaker 1>of Moscow. The August nineteen ninety one, a faction of

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<v Speaker 1>hardline communists just tried to take control of the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>government tanks in Red Square. The official tanks rattled through

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<v Speaker 1>the streets of Moscow and hundreds of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>stood up to them. Three civilians had died last night

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<v Speaker 1>when light tanks tried to slam through a barricade. In

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<v Speaker 1>just three days, the coup felled, the hardliners were pushed out,

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<v Speaker 1>and the people won. Tonight n Caligorbatrophia is again president

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<v Speaker 1>of the Soviet Union, the man who tried to bring

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<v Speaker 1>him down or either under arrest or being hunted. But

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<v Speaker 1>as the dust settled and all of the old values

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<v Speaker 1>and structures of the Soviet world fell away, a brand

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<v Speaker 1>new system was beginning to take shape. As if to

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<v Speaker 1>harold this new dawn, something very unusual was about to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>On the Soviet space station, where our man Sarage is

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<v Speaker 1>still hard at work. The cosmonauts on Mirror were about

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<v Speaker 1>to become the face of one of the most famous

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<v Speaker 1>brands in the world, Coca Cola. If you taste it,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the burn and bite at the back of your

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<v Speaker 1>throat for a moment that then gives you the In

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of nineteen ninety, Craig Kohan was twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>years old, newly single, and ready to take Moscow by storm,

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<v Speaker 1>one can of Coca Cola at a time. I was

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<v Speaker 1>sent to figure out how to build the cocola system

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<v Speaker 1>in the Sovietinia. That was the brief. Craig was the

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<v Speaker 1>new face of capitalism, the alternative to the old Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>way of doing things. Remember, in the USSR, private enterprise

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<v Speaker 1>had been banned completely for decades. So Craig was a

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<v Speaker 1>representative of a totally new mindset, a totally new way

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<v Speaker 1>of life. And you could say Craig was born to

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<v Speaker 1>do this job. He grew up in Toronto and what

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<v Speaker 1>he called a McDonald's family, all the panti, sat sauces,

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<v Speaker 1>cheez pickles, McDonald's big Man. When he was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>his dad, George Cohan, brought the first ever McDonald's to Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Canadians went crazy for it. Break today at McDonald's where

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<v Speaker 1>your dollar gets a break every day. George Cohan even

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<v Speaker 1>had a bus called the Big Mac Bus, used to

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<v Speaker 1>raise money for charity. And then in nineteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 1>during the Montreal Olympics, the Canadian government came to Craig's

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<v Speaker 1>dad with a strange favor. Would he please let the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet delegation use his bus to get around the city

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<v Speaker 1>And so we met all the Soviets in nineteen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 1>They rode the big backbus and in the evening they

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<v Speaker 1>went out to dinner and what did they eat, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you guessed it, Big Max. And that's when Craig's dad

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<v Speaker 1>had an idea. Watching these big Russian guys tucking into

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<v Speaker 1>burghers and fries. He thought, I know what I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make my life's mission to bring McDonald's to the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>It became from my father a fourteen year, amazing epic

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<v Speaker 1>odyssey to get the first McDonald's built in Pushkin Square.

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin Square is a square in central Moscow, a stone's

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<v Speaker 1>throw from the Kremlin. And so that was fourteen years

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<v Speaker 1>of conversations at home, conversations in the car, conversations at

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<v Speaker 1>dinner about the Soviets. Year in and year out, they

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<v Speaker 1>would host a rotating cast of Soviets at the Kohen Residence,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone and everyone who could get a word back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Kremlin about the wonders of McDonald's, whether they're ambassadors

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<v Speaker 1>or ballet dancers, or artists or politicians. And then in

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<v Speaker 1>January nineteen ninety, well, it's been fourteen years in the making,

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<v Speaker 1>and today finally McDonald's threw open the doors to its

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<v Speaker 1>first restaurant in Moscow. Thirty thousand people stood in line

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<v Speaker 1>that day. They started lining up this morning at four o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman doesn't know what she just date, but she

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<v Speaker 1>says it was unusual and delicious. Clearly George Kohen had

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<v Speaker 1>been on to something ahead of McDonald's. Canada waxed the

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<v Speaker 1>lyric in this day and age, it's nice when the

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<v Speaker 1>people can come out and get meat, reputations and milk

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<v Speaker 1>of the highest quality. Craig watched in amazement at what

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<v Speaker 1>his dad had just done. Happiness today in Moscow lay

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<v Speaker 1>in the communal pursuit of a big mac, but he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to do something even bigger. For Craig, it was

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<v Speaker 1>about more than just business. He was an idealist, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had this vision that capitalism could actually bring Russians

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<v Speaker 1>together with the rest of the world, that East and

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<v Speaker 1>West could unite under the banner of a big brand.

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<v Speaker 1>In December nineteen ninety, he flew to Moscow to attend

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<v Speaker 1>the opening of his dad's McDonald's, and while he was

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<v Speaker 1>there he bumped into the CEO of Coca Cola. He

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<v Speaker 1>was drunk one night at the Kremlin after the opening

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<v Speaker 1>of McDonald's. The CEO of Coca Cola looked at Craig

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<v Speaker 1>and had an idea, and he said, Craig, I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of three things. You the Soviet Union and you and

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union. Big companies like Coca Cola saw an

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<v Speaker 1>incredible opportunity in the Soviet Union. It was an open market.

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<v Speaker 1>Western products basically didn't exist, so the potential for profit

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<v Speaker 1>was mouthwatering. And now the CEO has the perfect man

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<v Speaker 1>for the job, Craig Cohan, the son of the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who got McDonald's into Moscow. But this was a very

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<v Speaker 1>different challenge. Craig's dad had opened a single McDonald's. The

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of Coke wanted cans in every corner shop in Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>total domination. Craig accepted the challenge stage one reconnaissance. For

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<v Speaker 1>the first six months June of nineteen ninety December of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety, I spent every day going to every single

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<v Speaker 1>metro stop in the city understanding how people drink beverages.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they used to have these amazing vending machines,

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<v Speaker 1>or there was a single glass. Incidentally, just when you

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<v Speaker 1>expect hard frost, Moscow has a thirsty heat wave. So

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<v Speaker 1>buy yourself a cups. I'd think when you wash the

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<v Speaker 1>glass and you would get a cool beverage a cavass

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<v Speaker 1>out of that. Cavas not my favorite drink, but if

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<v Speaker 1>sour bread and liquid form floats your boat, you might

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<v Speaker 1>like it. And it's probably the second most popular drink

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<v Speaker 1>in Russia after vodka, which was definitely more my thing,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the infused ones. The pineapple very good. You would

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<v Speaker 1>wash the glass and put it back in the next

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<v Speaker 1>person and use the same glass, wash it and put

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<v Speaker 1>it back and put five copecks in. So that's how

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<v Speaker 1>people were experiencing beverages, very different to American vending machines,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Craig had a ton of questions he needed

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<v Speaker 1>to ask people lining up for their glass of cavas,

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<v Speaker 1>although he was careful not to tell them he worked

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<v Speaker 1>for Coca. No one really knew that I was working there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was this interested guy doing a study on beverages

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<v Speaker 1>in the Soviet Union. It was like he was an

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<v Speaker 1>undercover agent. People just opened their arms to me for

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<v Speaker 1>all the information, and that's how I got data. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I worked at a chokovskis a vote for two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half weeks. It was a champagne factory, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I saw exactly how they mixed the product. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw how they mixed the concentrate. I saw the rats

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<v Speaker 1>in the sugar. I saw the whole system, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet system. After a few months Craig felt like the

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<v Speaker 1>reconnaissance stage of his mission was complete. But for Craig

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<v Speaker 1>and Coca Cola to actually launch themselves in the Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 1>they needed a way to get into the hearts, minds,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually the mouths of Soviets. So they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to get creative. Cocola never been on the

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<v Speaker 1>North Pole, and so we got colas a North Pole.

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<v Speaker 1>The company sponsored a famous Russian Arctic explorer. He put

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<v Speaker 1>a Cocacola in his bag, and he took his husky,

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<v Speaker 1>bringing huskies, and he went up to the North Pole

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<v Speaker 1>and took a pictures the North Pole crank, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it was time to head to the Kremlin. I made

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<v Speaker 1>sure that when Bush met Gorbachov there was a Coca

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<v Speaker 1>Cola on that table. So Craig starts thinking, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>next frontier. If you could go to the North Pole

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<v Speaker 1>and you can get it on the table at the Kremlin,

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<v Speaker 1>you could certainly get it in space infiltrating the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>space station. This was going to be the most spectacular

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<v Speaker 1>triumph for Coca Cola and good old fashioned American capitalism.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Coca Cola's engineers started working away in a

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<v Speaker 1>lab in Atlanta trying to create a coke can that

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<v Speaker 1>could survive on mirror, and after months of work, it

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<v Speaker 1>was ready, a little red can that looks a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like the ones we have here on Earth, except it

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<v Speaker 1>was fitted with a strange white nozzle and a metal

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<v Speaker 1>button on top. This was meant to stop it from

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<v Speaker 1>exploding in zero grabbing. On August twentieth, nineteen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Space Agency launched their M nine cargo spacecraft

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<v Speaker 1>from Bikanore in kazakh Stop. On board is a crate

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<v Speaker 1>of spaceproof Coca Cola cans, making their groundbreaking journey to

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<v Speaker 1>the space station. The next day, Sarage presses a button

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the can and it squirts the coke

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<v Speaker 1>into his mouth. Burn and bite at the back of

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<v Speaker 1>your throat. Even in space. It's a huge moment. Although

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<v Speaker 1>Serge wasn't really sure about the taste. His Ham radio

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<v Speaker 1>friend Maggie asked him, do you like Coca cola? What's

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<v Speaker 1>it taste like in space? And Sitgay said, It's all

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<v Speaker 1>right in space, he said, but insduce his better. No matter,

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<v Speaker 1>Coca Cola and capitalism had won the day. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like integration Finally, of these two opposing Cold War cultures

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<v Speaker 1>that have come together, and Coca Cola being a little

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<v Speaker 1>moment that brought people together. For idealists like Craig, it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like the beginning of a new future for Russia,

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<v Speaker 1>Sergey and the space program. But there was a problem

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<v Speaker 1>lurking just around the corner. Not everyone in the New

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<v Speaker 1>Russia had such noble intentions as Craig. I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>two ways to approach this country, that's Gregg in an

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<v Speaker 1>NBC interview from the time. One is to be a

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<v Speaker 1>pioneer and the others to be a pirate and coming

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<v Speaker 1>here and try to courage the land. And it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out in the New Russia the line between pioneer and

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<v Speaker 1>pirate was extremely thin. Why did you put a rock

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<v Speaker 1>and propelled hand grenade through my office this morning? And

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<v Speaker 1>he said, I've been wanting to meet you, and I

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't know how else to get your attention. That's

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<v Speaker 1>after the break. Just a few months after Surge drank

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<v Speaker 1>the can of coke on the space station, the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>flag came down for the very last time over the

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<v Speaker 1>Kremlin in Moscow. The hammer and sickle is lord for

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<v Speaker 1>the last time, the Soviet Union was over. The tricolor

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<v Speaker 1>banner of the Russian Republic now flies over the Kremlin.

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<v Speaker 1>Communism was dead, and while men like Craig Cohan saw

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<v Speaker 1>this as a moment of hope for the future, the

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<v Speaker 1>lives of ordinary Russians were plunged into uncertainty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>when you lose the system that you've grown up in

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<v Speaker 1>and you have no idea wor else to go. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people went out and planting potatoes at their dotches.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Serge Schmimon, the former New York Times correspondent in Moscow.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been hearing from throughout this series. Our office car

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<v Speaker 1>was a Volvo station wagon. So some of these people

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<v Speaker 1>would ask us to go with them to their dotch

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<v Speaker 1>and bring back their potatoes because you know, big bags

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<v Speaker 1>to bring them back to Moscow. They were planting potatoes

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<v Speaker 1>because at that point in time, potatoes were the safest

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<v Speaker 1>way to make sure you had food. The ruble was collapsing,

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<v Speaker 1>the shops filled up, but the number of people who

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<v Speaker 1>could afford anything plummeted. People's life savings were suddenly worthless.

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<v Speaker 1>So he went into a period of kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>elemental primitive economy where factories traded with each other. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a window if you give me a banana.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember hearing about the Russian black market. It always sounded

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<v Speaker 1>so spylike, so covert, so underground. Well here it is

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<v Speaker 1>at its lowest level, and strange things gained value. This

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<v Speaker 1>man stripped down a TV set, hoping to make enough

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<v Speaker 1>money just to buy milk or bread a peck of Marlboroughs.

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<v Speaker 1>Marlborough's cigarettes was roughly the equivalent of a dollar. You' Barnert,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a barter economy and never went anywhere without

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<v Speaker 1>four or five cartons of Marlborough's. A cigarette was better

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<v Speaker 1>value than cash. Because when communism collapsed, the new government

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<v Speaker 1>made a drastic decision. With the help of economic advisors

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<v Speaker 1>from America, they decided the best way to transition the

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<v Speaker 1>economy from a communist to a capitalist system was to

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<v Speaker 1>do it all at once. In the old Soviet Union,

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<v Speaker 1>the government controlled prices. Overnight, those price controls were removed,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that the candy that used to cost one

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<v Speaker 1>rouble now cost two thousand. Shoppers stead in disbelief at

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<v Speaker 1>what they now have to pay for the most basic goods.

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<v Speaker 1>Ham for example, pull at more than a thousand roubles

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<v Speaker 1>a kilo. That's two months worth of wages for most people.

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<v Speaker 1>The economists called it shock therapy. You had to let

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<v Speaker 1>the system go, and it had to find its own bottom,

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<v Speaker 1>and it had to start rebuilding. Overnight the cash economy collapsed.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem for shoppers here these days isn't the long

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<v Speaker 1>lines Russians are used to waiting in line. Their concern

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<v Speaker 1>is what happens when they reached the end of that line.

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<v Speaker 1>There they'll find either bread or milk three or four

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<v Speaker 1>times higher than they were just weeks ago, or worse,

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<v Speaker 1>no food at all. This also led to a wave

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<v Speaker 1>of crime sweeping through Moscow. You had a lot of theft.

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<v Speaker 1>The streets became dangerous. They say that some people belong

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<v Speaker 1>to the mafia here. Do you know anything about that? No? No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>for us, you know, I mean we were a dressed

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<v Speaker 1>in Western closing in Western cars. Our car was stolen twice.

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<v Speaker 1>This man's parting shot my favorite. The mafia is forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Organized crime was emerging from the ruins of the Soviet Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>A period of straight up banitry set in. In order

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<v Speaker 1>to get by in the new Russia, you had to

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<v Speaker 1>do things that you would never have dreamt of just

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<v Speaker 1>a few months earlier. By early nineteen ninety two, Craig

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<v Speaker 1>Khan is setting up his Coca Cola factory in Moscow,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's beginning to realize this is not the friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>hopeful Russia he arrived in back in nineteen ninety. Things

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<v Speaker 1>have changed so quickly, and if he's going to succeed,

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<v Speaker 1>it's becoming clear he's going to have to change too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the way to the office at five thirty

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning to try to start up all the equipment,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, etc. And I get a note from our

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<v Speaker 1>security that a Rocca propelled hand grenate just went through

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<v Speaker 1>my office. No one's hurt, but Craig is shaken. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a far cry from the quiet streets of Toronto,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, oh, that's good. I'm glad it wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I asked the security where was it? Shot? From

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<v Speaker 1>otoshop from the big apartment block across the street. I

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<v Speaker 1>have this very clearly in my head, so I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go find out who it is. So hard thumping

0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:13.439
<v Speaker 1>Craig climbs into one of those old Soviet elevators, about

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a porta potty and smelling like one too.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got no clue what he'll find at the top.

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<v Speaker 1>I go to the twelfth floor and I meet with

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<v Speaker 1>the head of the San Suski Simia, the san Subski family.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a local racketeering group that started rough enough people.

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<v Speaker 1>I sat down with him, just one on one, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said, why did you put a rock and propelled

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<v Speaker 1>hand grenade through my office this morning? And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been wanting to meet you, And I really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know how else to get your attention, because I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>my guys just to be your drivers. And I said, perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't have to do that, and so I hired

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of the guys. So now these grenade throwing

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<v Speaker 1>mobster are working for Craig and Coca Cola. The man

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<v Speaker 1>who'd come to the Soviet Union as a pioneer started

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<v Speaker 1>looking more and more like a pirate. A new breed

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<v Speaker 1>of person began to take control in Russia. While most

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<v Speaker 1>people lost their life savings after the Soviet Union collapsed,

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<v Speaker 1>a handful saw an opportunity, an opportunity to buy entire industries, oil, gas,

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<v Speaker 1>raw materials for peanuts. These people, you might know them

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<v Speaker 1>as oligarchs, became the rulers of the new capitalist Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>And that meant that people who used to be valued

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<v Speaker 1>in Soviet society, teachers, doctors, cosmonauts, no longer were. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when I remember long lines of really well dressed people selling,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sweaters and whatever they could choose. It was

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<v Speaker 1>terribly said. Everything had turned topsy turvy. Those who had

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<v Speaker 1>been up were now down. University professors selling socks in

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<v Speaker 1>the subway, criminals working for Coca Cola, and cosmonauts now

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<v Speaker 1>making less money than taxi drivers. In early nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 1>Serge was making five hundred rubles a month, just two

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and fifty cents at the new exchange rate. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a highly trained engineer, a national hero, still up

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<v Speaker 1>in space, risking his life for his country, and now

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<v Speaker 1>struggling to support his wife and baby daughter. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>when rumors started going around that things had gotten so

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<v Speaker 1>bad the cosmonauts were actually going on strike. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a silence from Citigay at that point. He's quite a voluble,

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<v Speaker 1>garrylous type of man. He always has something interesting to say.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was silence at that point. That's after the break.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a sunny morning on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 1>world from Moscow. Ham radio operator Maggie I Quinto is

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<v Speaker 1>out running errands in Colak, her little town in western Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>She parks her car on the wide, flat highway that

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<v Speaker 1>cuts through the middle of the town and gets her

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<v Speaker 1>shopping bags out of the trunk. She's heading towards the

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<v Speaker 1>bakery when a battered farm truck pulls up next to her.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be stopped in the street and people who

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<v Speaker 1>my heart they knew, would say, how are our cosmonauts?

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<v Speaker 1>Our cosmonauts. It turns out, in the months that Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>had been talking to Mirror, the whole town of Colak

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<v Speaker 1>had fallen in love with these Soviet spacemen too. These

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<v Speaker 1>guys would pass me. I've never seen these farmers before,

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<v Speaker 1>and they look at me and point to the sky

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<v Speaker 1>and go are they okay? But today the farmer driving

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<v Speaker 1>the truck looks worried. He's heard things about the cosmonauts.

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<v Speaker 1>The cosmonauts salaries are worthless. Their families can barely afford groceries,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're gonna stop working. They're going on strike. Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>tries to dismiss the stories as rumors, but soon newspapers

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<v Speaker 1>or publishing stuff that's even more wild. Not only are

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<v Speaker 1>the cosmonauts on strike, they're actually stuck in space. These

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper stories have terrifying headlines like junked in space and

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<v Speaker 1>stuck in endless orbit. They're being stranded there, They're being punished.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the rumors said, that they were left there deliberately,

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<v Speaker 1>no one was going to bring them down. They even

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<v Speaker 1>say Serage is ill. The journalists rang up Sigh his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and asked her about his illness, which is must

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<v Speaker 1>have been rather devastating for her to listen to. All

0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:11.920
<v Speaker 1>this time, Maggie's thinking, what's going on here? She's been

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Sergee nearly every day and he seems fine,

0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:20.400
<v Speaker 1>chatting to her about their kids, his spacewalks, Newham radio technology,

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<v Speaker 1>but she can't shake this doubt. Are they okay? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there something they aren't telling me? And then one day

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie gets a call. A radio station in Melbourne rang

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<v Speaker 1>me and said, please, can you find out is it

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<v Speaker 1>true about all of these things? Now? In the past,

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<v Speaker 1>Maggie has stayed clear of asking Sarage about politics, not

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.760
<v Speaker 1>wanting to put him on edge. But today, with the

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<v Speaker 1>world's press writing these strange stories and people stopping her

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:55.240
<v Speaker 1>in the street, Maggie decides she's going to be direct

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<v Speaker 1>with Sarage. She's going to ask for the truth. What

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<v Speaker 1>is really happening to her friends, her cosmonauts? So is

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<v Speaker 1>it okay? I'll send them a message again electronically, and

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.600
<v Speaker 1>I'll ask them these questions. But there's no guarantee. They're very,

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:10.880
<v Speaker 1>very busy up there. They have much work to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if they'll answer. Her fingers shaking

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<v Speaker 1>a little, Maggie started typing. So the questions. I asked them,

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<v Speaker 1>where are you hungry? Is it true that you're on strike?

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Has your supply ship docked? Do you like being on strike?

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 1>And they say, Segay, that you have fallen ill? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that true? And those were the questions. Maggie hits send

0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and she waits on mirror. Sarah Gay sees the question

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:46.480
<v Speaker 1>flood in. He's taken aback for months. Speaking to Maggie

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<v Speaker 1>had just been a bit of light relief, a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of fun, But between the lines of her anxious questions,

0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.320
<v Speaker 1>he can see her concern for him. He knows he

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<v Speaker 1>has to respond straight away. Minutes Maggie's old Tshiba is

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<v Speaker 1>flashing with a new message, Greetings Rita, which is my name,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. Australia is located at the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth from Moscow. It's very far so news is

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<v Speaker 1>greatly changed when it reaches you. People in Australia and

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow wok upside down from each other. Maybe this is

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>the reason your news arrives reversed. But what about the

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:28.960
<v Speaker 1>strike everyone's talking about. We're Sergey and his colleagues refusing

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<v Speaker 1>to work, and he said that there was a threatened

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:35.879
<v Speaker 1>strike at flight Control. But it's impossible, he said, for

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<v Speaker 1>him to go on strike. And as you can imagine,

0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>they have to keep things running on the space station

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<v Speaker 1>and if they were to go on strike, they would die.

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Maggie is relieved, but then she gets another call from

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<v Speaker 1>a journalist. Listen, I've got this tip off. You're not

0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>going to believe this, but apparently the Russians are thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of selling the space station. Maggie thinks fake news. She

0:27:03.400 --> 0:27:06.120
<v Speaker 1>knows things are changing over there, but the Russians would

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:09.439
<v Speaker 1>never put their space station up for sale. This is

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the crowning glory of Soviet space technology. But the journalist

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>says to her, look, the next time you're talking to

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>these fellows, asked them about the selling of Mirror the

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 1>space station, and so I did. There was a silence

0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:31.640
<v Speaker 1>from Sergey at that point. He's quite a voluble, garrulous

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 1>type of man. He always has something interesting to say.

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>But there was silence at that point, and he said, look,

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I'll talk with mission control. And at that point I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to guess, and I don't really know, but I'm

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.560
<v Speaker 1>going to guess at that news had not reached them.

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<v Speaker 1>After everything Sarage has been through archologically, it must have

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<v Speaker 1>been devastating. Look, I reckon it would have been to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from someone in Australia that the country he'd sacrificed

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<v Speaker 1>everything for might sell his home from under his feet.

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