WEBVTT - Should We Mine the Asteroid Belt? (feat. Phil Plait)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Welcome to Science Stuff, a production of iHeartRadio. Hoor

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<v Speaker 1>Hey cham and today we're talking about asteroids. What exactly

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<v Speaker 1>are they? Should we go out there and mind them

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<v Speaker 1>or is one of them going to crash into Earth

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<v Speaker 1>and wipe us out. We're going to be talking to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most famous astronomers on the planet about this,

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<v Speaker 1>Who's going to step us through the nuances of how

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<v Speaker 1>asteroids form, what it would be like to step on one,

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<v Speaker 1>and what the most valuable resource in them actually is.

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<v Speaker 1>So get your asteroids and gear as we tackle the

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<v Speaker 1>meaty or topic of space rocks enjoying. Hey everyone. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know about you, but I like planet Earth and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not in a big hurry to leave it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it does seem that at the rate we're going, we

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<v Speaker 1>might run out of things here, which is why billionaires

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<v Speaker 1>and space enthusiasts have proposed maybe goin shopping out there

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<v Speaker 1>in the asteroid belt. I also like our planet enough

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't want to see anything happen to it,

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<v Speaker 1>like getting hit by an asteroid. So basically I had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of asteroid questions to answer them, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I'd reach out to one of the most well known

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<v Speaker 1>astronomers on the planet. Doctor Phil Plait Doctor Plate, is

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<v Speaker 1>the creator of the website Bad Astronomy, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the author of several books, including Death from Disguise, a

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<v Speaker 1>fun survey of all the ways things from space can

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<v Speaker 1>kill us, including asteroids.

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<v Speaker 2>He also wrote Under.

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<v Speaker 1>Alien Skies about what it would be like to visit

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<v Speaker 1>other parts of the universe, like an asteroid. So I

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<v Speaker 1>had three questions for doctor Plate. Number one, what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>is an asteroid? It turns out there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people get wrong about that. Number two, is an asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>going to hit the Earth and why it was out?

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<v Speaker 1>And three should we mine the asteroid belt? It turns

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<v Speaker 1>out there's more than just rocks and metals out there.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll start with the first question, what exactly is an asteroid?

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my conversation with doctor Phil Plate. Well, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Plate for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my pleasure. It's nice to see you and hear you.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose hear you. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're both not enough that everyone knows what

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<v Speaker 1>we look like, or can know what we look like

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<v Speaker 1>with a simple search.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not too hard to picture, you know, little aged, balding,

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<v Speaker 3>bearded white guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've seen me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you famously read a book called Death from the

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<v Speaker 1>Skies in which you talk about, among other things, the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of an asteroid hitting the Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get into that, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe for people who are not familiar, what

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<v Speaker 1>is technically an asteroid?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, this is one of those questions where

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<v Speaker 3>it's like this is really easy to ask and super

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<v Speaker 3>hard to answer. When you think of an asteroid, you

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<v Speaker 3>probably think of a you know, big rock in space

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<v Speaker 3>that's floating around orbiting the Sun. But it gets complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the definition of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's no real definition. There's not really a size

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<v Speaker 3>on these things. The biggest ones are a few hundred

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<v Speaker 3>kilometers across or miles if you're an American, but there's

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<v Speaker 3>no sort of lower size limit to them. You could

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<v Speaker 3>think of something a meter across, the size of a

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<v Speaker 3>chair as an asteroid, and that's not wrong. But if

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<v Speaker 3>it's the size of a grain of sand, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what you would call that necessarily a meteoroid, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's still kind of an asteroid. So that's what these

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<v Speaker 3>things are. You know. I wouldn't call something the size

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<v Speaker 3>of a grape an asteroid, but.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of is kind of that's what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have a definition.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a like a vibe. You go in by vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>For the definition of asteroids, Yeah, yes, there is no

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<v Speaker 1>clear definition of what an asteroid is. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>basically means space rock, but not always. If the rock

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<v Speaker 1>is mostly made of ice, then astronomers call it a

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<v Speaker 1>or If the rocks are small enough, they call it

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<v Speaker 1>space dust. And if the rock is on t way

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<v Speaker 1>to Earth, they might call it a meteority. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>size of asteroids vary according to what scientists call an

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<v Speaker 1>inverse law, meaning the bigger an asteroid is.

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<v Speaker 2>The rarer it is.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, really really big asteroids about one thousand kilometers wide.

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<v Speaker 1>There's one it's called series asteroids about one hundred or

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<v Speaker 1>more kilometers wide. There are about two hundred of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But smaller asteroids there are a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>As they get bigger, there are a fewer of them,

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<v Speaker 3>which is just kind of how nature operates. And it

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<v Speaker 3>turns out bigger than about one hundred meters you know,

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<v Speaker 3>football field sized. There are probably a billion of them

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<v Speaker 3>orbiting between Mars and Jupiter, which is a lot. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you say how many are bigger than a meter across.

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<v Speaker 3>I heave't no, it's hundreds of billions, trillions. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of asteroids out there. But before

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<v Speaker 1>you get the idea that space is full of rocks

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<v Speaker 1>flying all over the place, kind of like that asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>field and solo flu, the Millennium falcon through and the

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<v Speaker 1>Empire strikes back, you should know two things. First, space

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<v Speaker 1>is big.

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing is there are so many of them,

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<v Speaker 3>and you think, my heavens Empire strikes back. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if I can quote what is now an.

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<v Speaker 2>Ancient movie, let's not get into how the artful.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you have a space ship and it's going through

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<v Speaker 3>an asteroid belt and they're asteroids everywhere, and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not like that. In fact, when you look at

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<v Speaker 3>how much space is between Mars and Jupiter, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's a several hundred million kilometers between them.

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<v Speaker 3>And a friend of mine who studies asteroids actually told

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<v Speaker 3>me this that if you take all of the one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred meter sized asteroids a hundred meters, you know, that's decent,

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<v Speaker 3>and you stand on one in the asteroid belt. If

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<v Speaker 3>you were to spread them out evenly, you would not

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<v Speaker 3>be able to see another asteroid with your naked eye. Whoa,

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<v Speaker 3>they would all be so far away they'd be too

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<v Speaker 3>faint to see. They're actually really far apart.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's pretty rare in the Solar System. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>to run into one an asteroid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it just depends on what you mean, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's zillions of them, so they're not rare, but they're

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<v Speaker 3>so few and far between because of the just vast

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<v Speaker 3>amount of space out there that you could go and

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<v Speaker 3>travel to Jupiter and back thousands of times and never

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<v Speaker 3>get even close enough to one to see.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are hundreds of millions of asteroids out there,

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<v Speaker 1>but space is so big you would rarely run into one,

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<v Speaker 1>even in the area of the Solar System called the

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid Belt. And the other thing is that even though

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<v Speaker 1>there are huge asteroids out there and hundreds of millions

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<v Speaker 1>of little asteroids, they actually don't add up too very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a sense of how much asteroid mass

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<v Speaker 1>is out there?

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<v Speaker 3>The weird thing is if you add them all up together,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't get a very big object. Even though there

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<v Speaker 3>could be a trillion little ones. The biggest ones really

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<v Speaker 3>eat up most of the space, and so you wind

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<v Speaker 3>up getting something that's actually quite small. It's just a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of thousand kilometers across what's smaller maybe than Earth's moon,

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe the size of Earth's moon, something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Although there are lots of them, they don't add up

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<v Speaker 3>too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, and you're talking about all the asteroids in the

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I could include the entire Solar System, although

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<v Speaker 3>it gets more complicated if you go out past Neptune.

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<v Speaker 3>There are these bodies out there that we call the

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<v Speaker 3>Kuiper Belt and the ort Cloud, which is comets. There

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<v Speaker 3>are objects that orbit the Sun beyond Neptune, and those

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<v Speaker 3>get pretty big. I mean, you're talking about Pluto. There

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<v Speaker 3>are probably a handful of objects roughly the size of Pluto,

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<v Speaker 3>and so these are actually decent size. Those would add up, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, twice the volume, ten times the volume

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<v Speaker 3>of the Moon. So you're still not talking about a planet.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think. You know, it's certainly not Jupiter or

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of thing. You've got a lot of these things,

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<v Speaker 3>but they're small.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's fascinating. It doesn't seem like a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing, Okay, The last cool thing about asteroids before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to the questions of whether we should mind

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<v Speaker 1>them or whether one of them is going to hit

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth and kill us all, is that asteroids are

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<v Speaker 1>not as solid as some people would think. According to

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Plate, they can be kind of crumply.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them are. And this gets weird. Oh, this

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<v Speaker 3>gets so weird. This is a relatively new concept. Are

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<v Speaker 3>there rubbel piles? So instead of being a solid object

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<v Speaker 3>like a rock in your backyard, a chunk of rock,

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<v Speaker 3>there are actually thousands or millions or billions of smaller rocks,

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<v Speaker 3>tiny ones up to maybe the size of boulders, that

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<v Speaker 3>are all held together by their very weak gravity. What

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's like having a bag of rocks, but

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<v Speaker 3>you remove the bag and what you're lift with is

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<v Speaker 3>just the gravity holding them together. And a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>the smaller ones, and we think the majority of smaller

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<v Speaker 3>asteroids are these rubble piles. So that's what they look like.

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<v Speaker 3>When you see pictures of them, you're like, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>actually not a solid surface, that is just a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what was happened? If you went there and he

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<v Speaker 2>stood on this, would you think.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a good question. The thing is, these rocks,

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<v Speaker 3>as we found, are very friable, which means they are

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly fragile, and if you were to hold one in

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<v Speaker 3>your hand, you could just crush it. There's very little

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<v Speaker 3>structural strength to these things, and we found that out

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<v Speaker 3>when a spacecraft, and I want to say it was

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<v Speaker 3>Osiris Rex, went up to the asteroid and hit it

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<v Speaker 3>at a very slow speed to collect material. It had

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<v Speaker 3>a sample collector, and the idea was that it would

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<v Speaker 3>go up to the asteroid and it would blow rocks

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<v Speaker 3>off and stuff and collect them into this collector. It

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<v Speaker 3>hit the asteroid and actually kept going. It penetrated down

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<v Speaker 3>about a half a meter into the asteroid itself, which

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<v Speaker 3>was a surprise, and they had to like break and

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<v Speaker 3>reverse thrust and get it back out of there. They

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<v Speaker 3>thought it might penetrate a little bit, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>they were surprised by how much. So, Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 3>were to visit one of these things in a spaceship

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<v Speaker 3>and say I'm going to jump from my ship and

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<v Speaker 3>land on this asteroid feet first, you might just sink

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<v Speaker 3>right into it, which would be embarrassing and potentially life threatening,

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<v Speaker 3>So don't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you say, at least a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>what we think of as large ash asteroids out there

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<v Speaker 1>are actually just kind of like crumbly cookies.

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<v Speaker 3>Crumbly cookies, that's pretty good. It is true that a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the ones that get in near Earth that

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<v Speaker 3>we have visited are like this. Some comets are like this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is not at all how I was

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<v Speaker 3>raised learning about asteroids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like we've concluded that Star Wars has

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<v Speaker 1>misled us for years unbelievably. Yes, so it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>run into an asteroid a large asteroid, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them are not sort of big solid rocks, the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of crumbly cookies.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, the force is not worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so those are the basics of asteroids. Now I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to the big questions. Should we mind the asteroid belt?

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<v Speaker 1>And is an asteroid gonna hit the Earth? It turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that the answer to both of these questions, according

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<v Speaker 1>to doctor Plate, is yes. When we come back, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna venture out even further to examine how asteroids can

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<v Speaker 1>kill us and how they can also save us.

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<v Speaker 2>To stay with us, we'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Be right back. Hey, we'll come back. We're talking about asteroids.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether we should mind them and if one of them

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<v Speaker 1>is going to hit the Earth and wipe us out.

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<v Speaker 1>So far, we've talked about what an asteroid actually is

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<v Speaker 1>and how many are out there now. Most of what

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<v Speaker 1>we call asteroids, meaning rocks floating in space, come from

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<v Speaker 1>the asteroid belt, which is the big ring between the

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<v Speaker 1>orbits of Mars and Jupiter. So if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>fly from Earth towards the edge of the Solar System,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd hit the orbit of Mars, then the asteroid belt,

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<v Speaker 1>then the orbit of Jupiter, Saturn, Urinus, and Neptune. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason the asteroid belt is there is pretty cool. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>you can blame Jupiter.

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<v Speaker 3>So the early Solar System was the Sun, the young Sun,

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<v Speaker 3>surrounded by this disk of material that's gas and dust

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<v Speaker 3>and rock and stuff like that. These things started to accumulate.

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<v Speaker 3>Grains would bump into each other and turn into pebbles.

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<v Speaker 3>Pebbles bump into each other, turn into boulders, and eventually

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<v Speaker 3>you would grow to get something like a planet. That's

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<v Speaker 3>how our planets formed. But between Mars and Jupiter, Jupiter's

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<v Speaker 3>gravity is very strong, and so any sort of object

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<v Speaker 3>that would try to get big enough to form a planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Jupiter's gravity would kind of swing it around, make it

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<v Speaker 3>move faster, slam into other stuff in the asteroid belt,

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<v Speaker 3>shatter it.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, the asteroid belt is the graveyard of the

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<v Speaker 1>chaos caused by the huge gravity of Jupiter. Any planets

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<v Speaker 1>that try to form there would get dragged by Jupiter

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<v Speaker 1>and slammed into other rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we mentioned before, there are a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of rocks in the asteroid belt, and sometimes those rocks

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<v Speaker 1>can bump into each other and get nudge to fall

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<v Speaker 1>in our direction, which raises the possibility that one of

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<v Speaker 1>them could hit us. It wouldn't be the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty five million years ago, an asteroid called the Chicchulub impactor,

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<v Speaker 1>which was about fourteen kilometers wide, hit the Earth and

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<v Speaker 1>caused so much mayhem that it killed fifty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>all species on Earth, including the dinosaurs.

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<v Speaker 2>Could it happen again?

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<v Speaker 1>That was the next question I asked, Doctor Blade, Doctor Plade,

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<v Speaker 1>is an asteroid going to hit the Earth? What's the

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<v Speaker 1>likelihood of that happening? One hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 3>One hitting us right now as we're talking? What there

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<v Speaker 3>are thousands of hitting us right now? Well, I said,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no lower limit to the size of an asteroid. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>So if you consider something like a grain of sand

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<v Speaker 3>an asteroid, there are fifty to one hundred tons of

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<v Speaker 3>material that hits Earth every day. What so, zillions of

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<v Speaker 3>these things are hitting Earth all the time, and you

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<v Speaker 3>see them burning up as meteors shooting stars. If you

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<v Speaker 3>call those asteroids, then we're getting hit all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>If you say, oh, let's say something that's a meter across,

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<v Speaker 3>then we get hit by something that size once a month,

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<v Speaker 3>as we're speaking. One fell over Europe a few days ago,

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<v Speaker 3>and a couple of nights ago, one came over Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>and Pennsylvania was seen by thousands of people.

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<v Speaker 2>You heard about that, Yeah, I saw the needs.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was really bright. Yeah, I've seen the videos.

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<v Speaker 3>It's pretty cool. We get hit by those on timescales

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<v Speaker 3>of a month or so, and the bigger they are,

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<v Speaker 3>the more rare they are.

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<v Speaker 1>What picker Plate is saying is that just like the

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<v Speaker 1>sizes of asteroids out in space, follow an inverse law,

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<v Speaker 1>so that the asteroids that happened to hit the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>small asteroids hit Earth all the time, but as they

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<v Speaker 1>get bigger, they get rarer and rarer. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest ones to hit US in recent years with the

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<v Speaker 1>Cheliabinsk meteor event, which you can find video of if

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<v Speaker 1>you search for it online.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, so when you talk about something like the chel

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<v Speaker 3>Yabinsk impact, which was in Russia in twenty thirteen, that

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<v Speaker 3>was nineteen meters across, so you're talking to something the

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<v Speaker 3>size of a house, big house. Those are much more rare.

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<v Speaker 3>Those you're talking about every few decades or century. If

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<v Speaker 3>one is fifty meters across and gets closer than that,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not great. You don't want that, but it's not

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<v Speaker 3>classified as potentially hazardous. It's still if it hits Earth,

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<v Speaker 3>it'll blow up like a nuclear weapon. I mean, you're

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<v Speaker 3>still talking about a megaton or more explosion. That's bad,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not a global catastrophe.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but at around one hundred and footy meters that

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<v Speaker 1>could be a global catastrophe, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think regional. So you're talking about if one hit

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the US, it would be catastrophic

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<v Speaker 3>for US, but not necessarily for you know, India or

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<v Speaker 3>something like that, although it's not great and certainly economically

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<v Speaker 3>you know, if you hit a country that is economically

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<v Speaker 3>critical to the rest of the world.

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<v Speaker 2>That's bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we saw what happened when like a terrorist

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<v Speaker 3>attack can cripple the economy of a country and bring

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<v Speaker 3>about a global recession. So you don't want these things

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<v Speaker 3>hitting over New York City, Moscow, you know, anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be very, very bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So's if a one hundred footy meter asteroids hit is

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<v Speaker 1>it would be about how many nuclear weapons?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh golly, so something like two hundred megatons, so multiple

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<v Speaker 3>times the largest nuclear weapon ever dropped. But it's not radioactive,

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<v Speaker 3>so at least you know, yay, no fallout. Hooray.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still bad, Okay, quick recap here.

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<v Speaker 1>Earth is hit by asteroids all the time, but most

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<v Speaker 1>of the time they're small and they end up burning

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<v Speaker 1>up when they hit all that air in the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what a shooting star is. When the asteroids start

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<v Speaker 1>getting about fifty to one hundred and forty meters wide,

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<v Speaker 1>that's when they can do a lot of damage.

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<v Speaker 2>They could wipe by.

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<v Speaker 1>The city and maybe cause a global crisis, but it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't end the human race. And luckily that size of

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<v Speaker 1>asteroid only hits Earth statistically every one hundred years or so.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might be wondering, what about the big ones,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the one that took out the dinosaurs,

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<v Speaker 1>that are like several kilometers wide.

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<v Speaker 2>Those would be really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But actually scientists are not too worried about those because

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<v Speaker 1>remember the inverse law of asteroids says, there aren't that

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<v Speaker 1>many of them out there.

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<v Speaker 3>We know there are no large asteroids big enough to

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<v Speaker 3>be catastrophic globally, like an extinction level event. There's none

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<v Speaker 3>that can get near us for at least the next century.

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<v Speaker 3>It just gets hard to predict farther in the future

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<v Speaker 3>because we don't know their orbits perfectly. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>something that's a global like like out of a movie

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<v Speaker 3>armagedd and deep impact, something like that. If you remember

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<v Speaker 3>those movies from thirty years ago, Now those are extraordinarily rare.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are like every you know, tens of millions of years,

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<v Speaker 3>like dinosaur killer impacts. Those are extremely rare.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, there is an office at NASA called

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<v Speaker 1>the Center for Near Earth Object Studies where the main

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<v Speaker 1>job of the scientists there is to keep track of

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<v Speaker 1>all the big asteroids in the Solar System and make

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<v Speaker 1>sure we're not in a collision course with them. And

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<v Speaker 1>according to their calculations.

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<v Speaker 2>We're good for now.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, does that mean we're totally safe? Not quite. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>those smaller asteroids in the fifty to a few hundred

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<v Speaker 1>meters wide range can still come out of nowhere and

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of damage. But there is good news.

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<v Speaker 1>According to doctor Plate, the good.

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<v Speaker 3>News is we can do something about them. The first

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<v Speaker 3>thing we have to do is find them, and we

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<v Speaker 3>are building observatories now. The Vera Ruben Observatory takes huge

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<v Speaker 3>images of the sky and looks for things that change

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<v Speaker 3>from night to night. So an asteroid is, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>in one spot, and the next night it's in the

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<v Speaker 3>next spot. Reuben will see it. And in its first

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<v Speaker 3>night it observed two thousand asteroids and so it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to do this every night. So it's going to map

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<v Speaker 3>out zillions of these things, and that's good because you

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<v Speaker 3>want to know if one's coming toward us, or if

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<v Speaker 3>it's orbit it's going to intersect ours in twenty years

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that. Next thing you have to do

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<v Speaker 3>is push it out of the way. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily want a nuke it because that's illegal and

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<v Speaker 3>that may not do the trick. Well, is it illegal, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually, the Outer Space Treaty, which was signed by

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of nations in the sixties, makes it illegal

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<v Speaker 3>to test nuclear weapons or detonate them in space, but

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<v Speaker 3>in general, like blowing up a nuke and space is

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<v Speaker 3>illegal and it's a bad idea. But on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 3>NASA has just tested a few years ago in twenty two,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two, to spacecraft into an asteroid. Ditamos was

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<v Speaker 3>the name of the asteroid, a few hundred meters across.

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<v Speaker 3>It has a moon called Dimorphos, which is one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and seventy meters across, and they slammed this dishwasher size

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<v Speaker 3>spacecraft into it called DART, which was the Double Asteroid

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<v Speaker 3>Redirection Test DART. DART. It hit the Moon at high

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<v Speaker 3>speed and the idea was the impact would change the

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<v Speaker 3>orbit of the Moon. And then this thing hit it

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<v Speaker 3>and the period of that object changed by half an hour,

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<v Speaker 3>which means we significantly changed the orbit of that asteroid.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's good because that means that if you have

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<v Speaker 3>enough time, like ten years lead time, you can build

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<v Speaker 3>a rocket, send a probe to it, slam it, and

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<v Speaker 3>then hopefully move it enough that over the next few

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<v Speaker 3>years you've pushed its orbit enough that it misses the

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<v Speaker 3>Earth with a dishwasher something like that. So really the

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<v Speaker 3>key here, the absolute key here, is finding them early.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you have twenty years before you think this

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<v Speaker 3>thing's going to hit us, that is plenty of time

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<v Speaker 3>to get to work and try to do something about

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<v Speaker 3>getting it to move out of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>So we do have a system in case that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't know if I'd glorify it by calling

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<v Speaker 3>it a system. We have rockets and we've done this.

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<v Speaker 3>We hit an asteroid in two thousand and five. There

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<v Speaker 3>was a mission called Deep Impact and that hit an

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<v Speaker 3>asteroid to see what would happen. And then we hit

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<v Speaker 3>dimorphos a few years ago, and that's really it. But

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<v Speaker 3>we're getting better at this all the time. In thirty years,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully we'll have learned enough about how to do this

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<v Speaker 3>that if anything's coming our way, we'll be able to

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<v Speaker 3>whack it and stop it. You're not trying to shatter

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<v Speaker 3>it necessarily, you're just trying to change its trajectory.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, I see.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to stop the asteroid. You just wind

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<v Speaker 1>to nudget out of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, gently persuade it maybe you should go.

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<v Speaker 1>Over there hit Mars part is looking pretty good. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess the take home message is that we

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<v Speaker 1>have the ability and we have actually hit an asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>that was out there flying and been able to just

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<v Speaker 1>its trajectory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's great, fantastic news. I was really excited

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<v Speaker 3>and I'll tell you relieved in that mission work when

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<v Speaker 3>dart work, because it shows we can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just all relatively new knowledge. It's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Few for those of you worried we were going to

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<v Speaker 1>go extinct because of an asteroid hitting us, you can

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<v Speaker 1>rest a little easier knowing that NASA has our backs

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<v Speaker 1>at least against asteroids now, assuming something else doesn't do us,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the big question becomes, how do we survive

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<v Speaker 1>in the long term. It's possible that in the future

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<v Speaker 1>we might run out of resource this year on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and in that case, maybe asteroids can save us. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a ton of asteroids out there, but things that

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<v Speaker 1>we could potentially mine to bring back to Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>But is that really feasible?

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<v Speaker 1>Can we or should we mine the asteroid belt while

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<v Speaker 1>we come back. I'll ask doctor Plate this question, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think you might be surprised by the answer, so

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<v Speaker 1>stay with us. We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about asteroids and pew. So far, we've learned

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<v Speaker 1>that while the Earth is getting hit by small asteroids

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, the likelihood of a big one coming

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<v Speaker 1>and ending the human race anytime soon is fairly small.

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<v Speaker 1>NASA and other space agencies around the world are keeping

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<v Speaker 1>track of all the big asteroids in our Solar system,

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<v Speaker 1>and even if a medium size one comes our way,

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<v Speaker 1>we are getting better at reaching them and deflecting them. Now,

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.199
<v Speaker 1>the question is good asteroids actually be good for us?

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people have noticed that asteroids in the

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt are full of materials that we meet here

0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 1>on Earth, and so a possible is for us to

0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:05.359
<v Speaker 1>go out there and mine them. But is that a

0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 1>good idea? Should we send a spacecraft out there to

0:24:08.640 --> 0:24:11.679
<v Speaker 1>check out the metals and minerals and those floating space rocks.

0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Actually it furs out we already have.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a current mission NASA launched called Psyche, which is

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 3>on its way. The asteroid's name is Psyche. It's this

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.520
<v Speaker 3>big asteroid. It's one of the biggest ones, and we

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:29.119
<v Speaker 3>think it's mostly metal. And when we say metal, we

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:33.520
<v Speaker 3>mean iron, nickel, and mostly silicon, and then a lot

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 3>of lesser ones titanium, tungsten, aluminum, Platinum, for example, is

0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 3>very valuable on Earth and it's used in electronics. It's

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 3>very important metal for a lot of reasons. Palladium is

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.680
<v Speaker 3>another one. And it's not like these are abundant in asteroids,

0:24:46.680 --> 0:24:48.320
<v Speaker 3>but they are out there. And so if you could

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 3>take an asteroid and grind it up and extract these metals,

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:53.840
<v Speaker 3>you could then sell them on Earth and make a

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:54.919
<v Speaker 3>lot of money.

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you could technically mine asteroids and bring back their

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 1>precious metals and sell them for a lot of money.

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>So why don't we do it?

0:25:05.359 --> 0:25:08.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, sending a spacecraft to an asteroid is hard,

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>but we've done it before. In fact, we've managed to

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 1>get to flying asteroids several times. In the nineteen eighties,

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:19.199
<v Speaker 1>we sent fly spacecraft from three space agencies around the

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>world to get a close look at hay Least comment.

0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Since then, there have been about a dozen more missions

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>that were sent to either fly by or actually land

0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 1>on comets or asteroids.

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:32.120
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing.

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Getting to an asteroid to mine it is not the

0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:41.160
<v Speaker 1>main problem. The real problem is bringing back what you mind.

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.719
<v Speaker 3>The big step is you then bring these things back

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 3>to Earth. But bring it back to Earth it's not straightforward.

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.199
<v Speaker 3>You have something that's moving eight kilometers a second. If

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 3>it's coming from deep space, it could be doing twice

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 3>that fast. You have to slow this thing down and

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 3>then somehow get it to the surface of the Earth

0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 3>in quantities that are usable. Right, if I'd drop a

0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 3>pound of platinum on the Earth, that's not really going

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:04.480
<v Speaker 3>to help. And you can just drop that from orbit,

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 3>let it hit. It'll actually lose a lot of it.

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.440
<v Speaker 3>You could encase it in concrete or something whatever, let

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 3>that burn off as it goes through the atmosphere. But now,

0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 3>if you're talking about one hundred tons of something, how

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:15.640
<v Speaker 3>do you get that to the surface.

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 1>That's hard without basically creating a giant asteroid that will

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 1>kill people on Earth.

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you could build some sort of machinery that would

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 3>slow these things down and drop them for more of it,

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 3>but that's also very expensive, and to do this at

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 3>scale where you're talking about you know, a building weighs

0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 3>tens of thousands of tons, so you need a lot

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 3>of this material to build a rocket or to provide

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 3>for the electronics industry or whatever. And right now it's

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 3>just cheaper to keep doing this on Earth. Some day

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 3>it might be easier to do this. We're just not

0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 3>there yet.

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:51.800
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 1>Getting things from space to Earth is hard, or at

0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>least it's easy. But the hard part is having what

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.480
<v Speaker 1>did drop from faith Land in one piece. And even

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>if you do manage to figure out how to, say,

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>bring all those precious metals from asteroids to Earth, there

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 1>could be other things that can happen that you didn't expect.

0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 3>There are other problems like crashing the market if you

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 3>suddenly introduce a vast amount of material into the market.

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, the reason these things are expensive is because

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 3>they are rare, and if you bring in a lot,

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 3>there's more than one hundred tons of gold out there,

0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 3>but if you bring in a lot, it could actually

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:28.359
<v Speaker 3>damage the market. This, I can't stress this enough, is

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:32.280
<v Speaker 3>super super hard to do. We do not have the

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:35.719
<v Speaker 3>technology in place to do this. We have the technology

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 3>where we can start looking at it and investigating it

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 3>and doing this step by step. But right now, if

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.920
<v Speaker 3>you wanted to mine an asteroid, I think you're looking decades.

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how many to at least, but it's

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 3>going to be a while. I may be wrong.

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>So mining the asteroid belt for materials to bring back

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>to birth is a bit of a hard sell. Or

0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>at least, you'd have to be really, really really desperate

0:28:01.520 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 1>to make it worth all that money and development and

0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>risk to do it. But according to doctor Playd, there

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>is one other reason we might want to mine the

0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>asteroid belt that is not about bringing stuff back to Earth,

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>and that is for space exploration.

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 3>If we want to build a space station on Earth,

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 3>we have to build it down here, all the pieces,

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 3>and then launch each piece into space and put it together.

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 3>And that takes a long time. It costs a lot

0:28:28.920 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 3>of money. The space station International Space Station was one

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 3>hundred billion dollars and took ten years to complete. Something

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 3>like that. The rocket launches are expensive. Takes a lot

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 3>of energy to move those things out of Earth's gravity

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 3>into orbit or off the surface. If you mind an asteroid,

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 3>it's out there in space already. Oh and if you

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 3>can figure out a way of processing it, smelting it

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 3>and processing it in a way that you can use

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 3>it to build structures, that is a lot, lot, lot

0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 3>easier than trying to lift everything off of Earth. And

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 3>so this is something that people looked into them.

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I see, it's like it's possible.

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I don't think there's anything physically or in an

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 3>engineering sense impossible about any of this. You can imagine

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 3>building a factory around an asteroid, using it, having it

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.840
<v Speaker 3>spin for centrifugal force, which is like gravity, and that

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 3>you can use to separate out metals.

0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I see.

0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let me see if I can recap so

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>the idea of going to an asteroid mining it to

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 1>bring back material like rare earth metals technically possible, but

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:30.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe not worth it.

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Questionably profitable, Yeah.

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 2>Questionably profitable, I mean maybe just not right now. I see.

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.280
<v Speaker 1>But then there's sort of the other reason why we

0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>might mind the asteroid belt, which is for space exploration,

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Like if we wanted to, we could use it as

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a source of metals to build spacecraft and space stations

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and there. It's not so much a business consideration, it's

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>just like if we want to do it or not.

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's a sort of government level idea. Yeah,

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>if you wanted to explore the outer planets, if you

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.600
<v Speaker 3>want to put humans out in space on Mars, for example,

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 3>where some of these materials are scarce. Then yeah, going

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 3>to the asteroid belt and figuring out how to do

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 3>all this is not the worst idea.

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 2>In that case. Maybe it's the cheaper option.

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.200
<v Speaker 3>Rather than lifting it from Earth. Yeah, because right now

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 3>it still costs a lot of money per kilogram to

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 3>just send air, water, food to people living on the

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.120
<v Speaker 3>Moon or Mars. If you could start in space already,

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 3>it's vastly easier. You're getting rid of some majority of

0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.120
<v Speaker 3>the cost of just launching something off Earth is so

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.160
<v Speaker 3>expensive and hard. If you're starting in space, it's way easier,

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 3>and so it's a lot simpler technologically, and it's a

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 3>lot cheaper, a lot less expensive.

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>So the asteroid belt could become like the wild West

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:52.280
<v Speaker 1>of the space frontier. And here's the interesting thing. Most

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>people assume, like I did, that the most valuable materials

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>in the asteroid belt that we would want to mine

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>are the metals and the like iron or copper. But

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:07.840
<v Speaker 1>actually the most important raw element in them is wetter.

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 3>This wasn't known until relatively recently, a few decades ago,

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 3>that asteroids can have a lot of water in them. Oh,

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 3>what series for example, has a mountain on it that

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 3>seems to be salty water from the interior that oozed

0:31:23.880 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 3>out and froze in place, and it's a mesa. It's

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 3>like this big flat topped mountain. It's huge, and it's

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 3>made of dirty ice, basically dirty salt water ice. Whoa.

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 3>So these things do have water, and you need water.

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Water is the most useful thing you can have in space.

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 3>You drink it. We need that to live. You can

0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.800
<v Speaker 3>break it down and make oxygen to breathe. Water is

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 3>h two Oh, it's hydrogen and oxygen together. You can

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 3>recombine these to make hydrogen peroxide, which in its pure form,

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 3>not like the stuff you buy at the drug store,

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 3>which is like three percent.

0:31:54.880 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 2>You can diyur hairt space.

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, it's like you know, it's three percent hydrogen

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 3>peroxide and the rest of its water, and it's more

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 3>pure form. It's like ninety percent hydrogen peroxide. It burns

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 3>and it becomes a really good fuel. So you can

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 3>drink it, you can breathe it, and you can move

0:32:08.160 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 3>around with it. So water is it, that's what you want.

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.560
<v Speaker 3>It's actually the single most important thing if you want

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 3>to have a permanent presence in space. Water is the

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 3>most important thing besides you know, food, but even more

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:24.360
<v Speaker 3>than food, because again with water you can make air and.

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Fuel right right, the grow food, you need water as well.

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, humans need a lot of water just to survive

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 3>because of not just our direct needs but also our

0:32:32.400 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 3>needs like growing plants and protection from radiation. Water is

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 3>great at absorbing radiation, so you can encase your ship

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.120
<v Speaker 3>in a tank of water and protect it from solar

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:45.160
<v Speaker 3>flares and such. So it's all around. It's just like

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 3>the most useful thing ever in.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Space, right, and you need it to shower if you

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>were so inclined to shower in space, Yeah, that would

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>be a good.

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Idea too, although who knows, you know, by then we'll

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 3>have sonic showers like in Star Trek. Who knows it's

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 3>out there. There's lots of their comments that are mostly

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 3>water asteroids. There are moons of Jupiter and Saturn that

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 3>are mostly water. Those are harder to get through than asteroids.

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 3>But still there's a lot out there plenty for everybody.

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it turns out the real question we should be

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>asking it's not whether we should mine the asteroid belt,

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>but whether we should drink it. Hey, this puts a

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>whole new spin on the phrase meteor shower. All right,

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully this all gives you a good sense of what's

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.320
<v Speaker 1>out there sprinkled in our solar system that could hit

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>us or potentially save us as we keep traveling through

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>the vastness of space. Thanks for joining us. See you

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