1 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cutting the Distance podcast. I'm here with my 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: good buddy, Chris Parrish. Chris is not only one of 3 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: the greatest turkey colors of all time, but even more 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: impressive than me. He's a great guy, a great father, 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: in a dang good turkey hunter. I can't wait to 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: jump into talking about everything to do with calling turkeys 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: with Chris. He's been a little bit of my mentor, 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: I would say, on the turkey call side, but we've 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: really just kind of got to know each other eight 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: or nine years ago and really just kind of hit 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: it off. And I've been able to hunt with Chris 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: a little bit, talk about Western hunting, turkey hunting, deer hunting. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: But in this podcast, it's gonna be all about calling turkeys. 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: You know, his preferred calls, his approach to calling turkeys, 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: his favorite time of day to call turkey's favorite time 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: of year to call turkey, and we're just gonna jump 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: into all that. So um, welcome Chris, Hey, Thanks, thanks 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: for having me gay soon. As I mentioned, one of 19 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: the a one of the better turkey callers. You know, 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: anybody can run a call, but to go out and 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: put that ability to use, I think it's more important 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: to be a good turkey hunter than it is to 23 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: be a good turkey caller. On our trip to Kansas 24 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: last year, I think I remember you right. You had 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: said that was your FOD or somewhere right around there. 26 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, actually four hundred and one. Uh. But you know, 27 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: I've been doing it a long time. I won't give 28 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: away age here. Yeah. Yeah, and you know some of 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: those things that it's cool to keep track of, but 30 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: I can tell being out in the field with you 31 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: like that number is. It's not as important to you 32 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: as the experience and and the time that you're having 33 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: out there, but it is cool to just kind of know. 34 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: You would never bring that number up, so I brought 35 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: it up for you, um, just to let people know 36 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 1: just how accomplished you are, not only as a caller 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: but as a hunter. It was It was cool to 38 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: get to see you do your thing last year in Kansas. 39 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: You know, I've I've grew up watching your turkey call 40 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: and on the stage and getting to hear how good 41 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: you were about. To see you out in the field 42 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: and put it to use was even even more important. 43 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: You came from from the days when a guy could 44 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: make a living off of being a good turkey color. 45 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: You know, back when turkey calling was a big, big thing. Um, 46 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: you talked about, you know, being able to go out 47 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: on a weekend to go to a turkey calling contest 48 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: and it wasn't anything to bring home, you know, three 49 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: to five thousand dollars you know for winning that turkey 50 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: calling contest. Um. I remember, you know, back in the day, 51 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,119 Speaker 1: you were one of the first, you know, hunting callers 52 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: to appear on you not only the Letterman Show, you 53 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: were on the Stern Show. Um. And it used to 54 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: be a big, big deal, um to be uh, you know, 55 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: a good turkey color. I think it's it's still a 56 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: big deal, but it's not. Um, it doesn't seem to 57 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: be as big as it was back when when you 58 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: were winning all those competitions. No, it's it's definitely changed 59 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: over the years. Uh, you know, Uh, YouTube and several 60 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: other things have made it a lot easier to become 61 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: a good caller. Back in the day, we used to 62 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: go to contest actually to learn and learn off of 63 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: those that you know, we're we're predecessors of ours and uh, um, 64 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: I think now with YouTube and in all the different channels, 65 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: that people can go through. It just makes it a 66 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: lot easier to become a good caller, and it becomes 67 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: and you can become a better hunter as well, because 68 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, you're learning a lot about tactics and tricks 69 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: and things that people have been using for the last 70 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: twenty five or thirty years. Yeah, yeah, I really appreciate 71 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: having your Chriss. Should be a good show. Um, I'm 72 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: gonna dive into a lot of these questions I've asked 73 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: you before, but we're gonna dive into all the listeners 74 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: can can kind of dive into the the Turkey calling 75 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: brain of Chris Parrish. And I want to take a 76 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: second to um congratulate you personally. UM, I think in 77 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks you're gonna be inducted into the 78 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: National Wild Turkey Federation's Hall of Fame. So, uh, you know, congratulations. 79 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: It's a an awesome, awesome, uh you know award, and uh, 80 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: it couldn't be happier for you. Not sure whether it's 81 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: deserved or I'm just getting old enough. Yeah, they figured 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: they better throw and throw you in. Why they still 83 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: got time and you can enjoy it. But no, I 84 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: mean we didn't jump in I'm not gonna jump into 85 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: all the you know, the Grand National championships, the team championships, 86 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna put this out there that you know, 87 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: you're you're one of the more decorated Turkey colors of 88 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: all time. And you deserve it both from a calling standpoint, 89 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: what you did for the calling industry, both as your 90 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: own company, and what you did with Night and Hale, 91 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: what you did on the stage. So it's well deserved, Chris, 92 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: and and like I said, it couldn't be it couldn't 93 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: be happier for you. Thank you. So we're gonna jump in. 94 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: We've got a couple of questions, um, from social It's 95 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: kind of funny, mean you were actually talking about this 96 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: a little bit this morning. Um. You know, it's kind 97 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: of the ideal the ideal way to to to condition 98 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: our our plot calls versus like maybe what's good enough 99 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: for everybody out there. So there's a lot of different surfaces, 100 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: you know in our lineup, we've got slate, we've got aluminum, 101 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: we've got a crystal, we've got a glass surface. Like, 102 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: in your opinion, what is the ideal way to condition 103 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: those calls? And you know, you get really technical because 104 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: you've called and like friction calling championships and stuff where 105 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: you're trying to do really you know, fine calls with 106 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: like key keys on the edges, you know, doing stuff 107 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: that we're probably not going to be doing out in 108 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: the woods as we're as we're trying to call turkeys in. 109 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: But what's your ideal way to let's just go through, 110 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,559 Speaker 1: like give me your ideal way to condition to slate, 111 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 1: your ideal way to condition aluminum, and then your ideal 112 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: way to condition like a crystaler glass surface for you know, 113 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: for ultimate use as far as any strike you're gonna 114 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: throw out a long long use out in the field, 115 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: something that's not gonna you know, need conditioning over and over. 116 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: Well on a slate surface, I prefer to use something 117 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: like Scotch Bright Um. You know, slate will wear it 118 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: stands really easy. So using sand paper on slate, you 119 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: wind up one cutting too many big grooves in the 120 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: slate and to you wear the surface down so it 121 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: gets thinner and thinner. Where scots Bright just barely takes 122 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: that surface off and uh gives it a good conditioning 123 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: and your striker runs easily on there. And you always 124 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: want to sand regardless of the surface. You always want 125 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: to remember you want to sand in one direction, and 126 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: then you want to bring that striker across that surface. 127 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: That's what creates that grit or that grab of that striker. 128 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: Um with aluminum, it's either a stone or like a 129 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: piece of hunter grid sad paper. That's a good way 130 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: to start it. And then a lot of times I'll 131 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: go to using Scotch bright just to just to kind 132 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: of keep it buffed, because once aluminum has some of 133 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: its grooves in it, it generally will stay really good 134 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: for quite a long time. It's actually a pretty easy 135 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: surface to condition. And crystal you definitely are any kind 136 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: of glass surface, you definitely want to use a stone 137 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: on that, and again just always going in one direction 138 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: and bringing your striker across that. But stone works really good. Uh. 139 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: Oftentimes after I stone it, I will take a little 140 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: piece of Scotch Bright just to knock some of the 141 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: dust off of it, to make sure I get all 142 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: the dust off because that stuff will build up on 143 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: your striker for sure. For sure. And then why we're 144 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: on that. You brought up a good point. Um. Something 145 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: I want to throw in is, you know, conditioning strikers 146 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: me personally. Um, you know, you can rotate it a 147 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: few times. You do get that one little slick spot 148 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: kind of your you know, right on that radius where 149 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: you're you're playing that well, I usually just hit it 150 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: with a Scotch Bright. Do you do anything different, Chris Um? 151 00:06:58,160 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: You know, you just kind of twisted and Scotch bright 152 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: makes you don't put any you know, high or lower 153 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: flat spots in it. Just give it a little twist 154 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: and it is usually good to go um, you know, 155 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: for for quite a bit longer. But do you need 156 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: to do anything different on your strikers. No, I always 157 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: try to condition them with a little piece of Scotch bright. Um. 158 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: A lot of times you'll see people buff them with 159 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: a piece of sandpaper. And to your point, what happens 160 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: when you do that is you'll create a lot of 161 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: times you'll get a valley on one side or the 162 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: other of the radius, and then you'll get a skip 163 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: in the call. And and sometimes people don't realize that. 164 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: But if you could, you know, take a uh something 165 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: where you could see that really good, you'll see that 166 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: you can you can take the the perfect radius out 167 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: of that striker. If you don't watch what you're doing so, Yes, 168 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: Scotch Bright, is is the way to go? Yeah, ye, 169 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: Scotch Bright. And then I used to sit there and 170 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: just rotate it back and forth, but I think just 171 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: twisting it all one direction is better. That way, you're 172 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: not getting those high points or anything developed into that 173 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: you know radius that that needs to be fairly uniform. 174 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: The next question, Chris, somebody only has a small chunk 175 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: of ground to hunt, it holds a few birds. How 176 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: much pressure is to my you know, for for Elk, 177 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: I've got it pretty set. Like I know, if I 178 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: put this much pressure on, they're gonna be the next 179 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: value over. If I put additional pressure on, they may 180 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: be a mile over. But when we go into two birds, 181 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 1: you know, turkey hunters, they put a lot of pressure 182 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: on the birds, but it is too much pressure too much? 183 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: Are you gonna make those birds unhuntable? Kind of? What's 184 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: that balance of being aggressive enough but not pushing the 185 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: birds onto a different piece of property or making them 186 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: so you're just not ever gonna be able to call 187 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: them in when you do get your chance. Well, there's 188 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: a fine line there, and we can talk about this 189 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: for a long period of time, but you know, I'll 190 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: use a prime example of my backyard, and you've been here, Jason. 191 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: I've got twenty three acres, so I don't have a 192 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of timber here. I don't have a lot to 193 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: hold the turkeys. And the turkeys go up and down 194 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: the creek quite a bit. They don't necessarily roost here 195 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: every day, so you kind of got a hit and 196 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: miss with it as far as where they're roosting. And 197 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: if they're roosting too far away, there's not much you 198 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: can do about it. You're gonna fly down with hands 199 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: and move off, and you know they may be three 200 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: or four dred yards off the property. But when I 201 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: look at pressuring a turkey, UM, hunt them smart. Um. 202 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: If you know they're roosting on you, like for the 203 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: night before you've roosted the turkeys, or they're gobbling in 204 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: the tree the evening before, you kind of have a 205 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: good idea where you need to set up. You slip 206 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: in there, You get in there way before daylight, sit 207 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: down on the turkeys, try to work them a little bit. 208 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: If they're not doing much, and they move off and 209 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: they move off the property, leave it alone and just 210 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: hold your ground and set around a little bit and 211 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: see what's going on. I I prefer to because of 212 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: the lack of turkeys in certain areas, I prefer not 213 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: to put a ton of pressure on them when it 214 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: comes to small pieces of property. UM. A lot of 215 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: times I'll skip days of hunting just to make sure 216 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: I don't push them off this property. I want to 217 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: make sure that they stay here or stay around close 218 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: where I still have, you know, a couple of extra 219 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: days I might be able to hunt them and work 220 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: one of them. I don't think that you can actually 221 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: overcall to a turkey when it comes to like pushing 222 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: them off a piece of property with your calling. I 223 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: think what happens is is more than anything, is you 224 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: pressure the hens. The hens don't want to be around you. 225 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: They walk the turkeys off, Um, they get done breeding 226 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: the hens for that morning. A lot of times they're 227 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: coming back looking for you. So I don't necessarily think 228 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: it's the calling part of it. It's the human presence 229 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: on a consistent, consistent basis, or the taking the chances 230 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: of bumping those turkeys with your human presence, you know, 231 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: by going in and out, moving all the time on 232 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: a on a small piece of property. So you know, 233 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: I would just say hunt it wisely. If you get 234 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: the chance to roost the turkey the night before, that's 235 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: a great way to do it. Or if you're going 236 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: into the piece of property, Yeah, it's say, uh later 237 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: morning or midday type of hunt and you're not exactly 238 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: sure where the turkeys are. Uh, slip in real carefully 239 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: and check on the edges and see if you can 240 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: get a turkey to gobble before you ever get in 241 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: there and give his presents away, because oftentimes you know 242 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: they're strutting with hens or they're just milling around, and 243 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: you walk in there without you know, getting a location, 244 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: you wind up bumping the turkey physically, and then when 245 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: that happens, he may be a couple of days where 246 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: he returns. Yea, And we have a fairly similar example. 247 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: I didn't, I wasn't locked on a small chunk of ground. 248 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: But here in western Washington where we had you know, 249 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: just a few easterns, that was literally, you know, maybe 250 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: the only bird you were going to get to hunt 251 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: all year, because there just weren't very many of them. 252 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: The numbers are so low where that was one thing 253 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: we had to battle with all the time. You know, 254 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: you wanted to keep chasing them and pushing him. But 255 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: if you push them out of the area, who knows 256 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: where you're going to find him again, and you might 257 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: just not hunt a bird the rest of the year. 258 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was that it's a balance of you 259 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: still want to get in him and and we didn't. 260 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: We didn't make our move or push him hard until 261 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: it felt like, you know, everything was in our favorite, 262 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: like he's responding to all of our calls, he's moving 263 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: in our direction. Then we'd keep the pressure on him. 264 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: But a lot of times if he moved off or 265 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: we didn't really know where it went, we would just 266 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: have to back out. And it kind of makes for 267 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, not his action packed turkey hunting, but if 268 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: you ultimately wanted to kill that bird, that's what we 269 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: had to do. Well, that's definitely the thing is is, 270 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to be successful, you got 271 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: to change it up a little bit. And I cut 272 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: my teeth and grew up hunting public land where I'm 273 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: dealing with not just my pressure, but all kinds of 274 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: outside pressure, and you never know. Every day was like 275 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: a box of chocolates. You're gonna get something different from 276 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: the turkeys, but I always learned early on, sit down, 277 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: be patient, waited out, see what happens. And it's surprising 278 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: how many times you come out of there successful and 279 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: nobody else is killing turkeys because you're you're using the 280 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: little patient hat track. Well, I appreciate hoping me answer 281 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: some of the questions we got, and then let's jump 282 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: into the questions I have for you, Chris. Um, And 283 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: a lot of this is kind of carry over from 284 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: what I know from elk hunting, but I really want 285 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: to pick your brain. Um. You know, we we said 286 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: everything was gonna be about calling, but I want to 287 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: start with the setup and then go into the calling 288 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: because in in my world of of elk the setup 289 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: is so important. Um, and you know too, before you 290 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: ever begin. So once you locate a bird, Chris, kind 291 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: of what goes through your head, like is there a 292 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: decision tree? Like well, that bird hit me right back, 293 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: that birds in this location, that birds, you know, time 294 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: of day, is the bird gonna be moving to a 295 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: certain spot? Like what goes through your head to figure 296 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: out like where we need to get to? And I 297 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of factors we can't you know, 298 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: put into a question, but kind of what are some 299 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: of the things that you think about before you go 300 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: to get ready to set up. Well, I'll start off 301 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: just talking about turkeys on the roost um because most 302 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: of us are hunting them early in the morning. So 303 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: you know, when I have a turkey roosted, my number 304 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: one thing getting in there in the dark is to 305 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: get as as close as I can as possible. I 306 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: like to get sixty seventy yards of the turkey if 307 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: if possible. Um No, I don't want to get any 308 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: less than a hundred yards from the turkey if I 309 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: can uh to eliminate some of the factors. One, you know, 310 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: hands a lot of times are roosted in and around hens, 311 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: and maybe I'll be the first hand that he hears 312 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: that morning, and he will decide he wants to come 313 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: to me. And a lot of times you can bring 314 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: those hand to you that morning right off the roost 315 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: and he'll follow as well. So there's that factor of 316 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: early morning hunting. If I'm going into a turkey in 317 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: a morning hunt and I don't have him roosted, they're 318 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: already gobbling on the roost. Obviously, terrain and the amount 319 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 1: of cover that we have is going to dictate how 320 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: close I can get to that turkey. But again, I'll 321 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: push my luck a lot and try to get as 322 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: close as I can. I want to cut that distance 323 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: down and make it easy for him and easy for 324 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: the other turkeys that he may be around to come 325 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,119 Speaker 1: to me, and make it more inviting for him. Um, 326 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: middle of the day, you know a lot of times 327 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: you're you're trying to strike a turkey. You know, we've 328 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: hunted together there in Kansas, and sometimes you're walking and 329 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: calling and trying to strike a turkey and the birds 330 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: just aren't doing much. But if I have one hit me, 331 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: you know a couple of things that I do is 332 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: I like to assess the area. So if a turkey gobbles, 333 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: let's say a turkey gobbles two dred yards away, well, 334 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: if I can get closer, I'm obviously going to get closer. 335 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: I want to get as close as I possibly can, 336 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: But if terrain doesn't allow me, sometimes you just have 337 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: to set up where you set up. The first thing 338 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna look for is is it easy for the 339 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: turkey to get to me? But is it also easy 340 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: for the turkey to see my location from a great distance? 341 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: So I want to do one or two things here. 342 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: I want to try to figure out how to set 343 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: up and eliminate that turkey from being able to see 344 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: a hundred yards to me, so that he thinks that 345 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: he hands further away, and he comes in closer and 346 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: keeps coming closer to see if he can get a 347 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: visual on that hend and it's really open terrain. I'm 348 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna shut the calling down a little bit. 349 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call to him a lot. I just 350 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: want to get him interested in coming and just give 351 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: him enough to keep him coming to me. If it's 352 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: a situation where it's uh, really really thick, really really nasty, 353 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: and I feel like the turkey is gonna be slightly uncomfortable, 354 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: I may back up and go around and try to 355 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: get in a position where I think that turkey is 356 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: gonna feel more comfortable coming into You know, they're just 357 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: like people, um, And I use this as an example. 358 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily like walking in places where I think 359 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna poke my eye out in the dark, So 360 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: that's why I use a head lamp light. So a turkey, 361 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, he's not walking around the dark, but he's 362 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: coming through that thick stuff. They're not necessarily as comfortable 363 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: as they are where there are places they can see 364 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: and they can and you know it's just easier for 365 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: them to to assess the situation. Um. They're also looking 366 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: for danger the whole time they're coming in. You know, 367 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: there's something always trying to eat them or get to them. 368 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: So you know, keeping that in mind. Oftentimes you strike 369 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: a turkey sometimes and they're like right over the ridge 370 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: from you. And I'm sure you dealt with this a 371 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: bunch of the mountains, Jason, And you know a lot 372 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: of times we we have a situation where we want 373 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: to just like PLoP down right there and get our 374 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: gun up or or whatever we're hunting with and and 375 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: try to call the turkey from there. Sometimes you need 376 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: to look at that and go, well, you know this 377 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: is not really The turkey is gonna be in my 378 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: face before I can do anything, and if he comes 379 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: in right or left, I might get caught. So learning 380 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: to back up a little bit from your setup and 381 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: and give yourself a little bit of room, uh, and 382 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: at a place where you can visually see the turkey 383 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: coming in and where you can actually move a little 384 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: bit more um to get yourself in position as that 385 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: bird's coming in, so that you're you're on the turkey 386 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: when he gets there. Yep. And also don't look to 387 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: get into like a ton of cover. Um. Sometimes people 388 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: get themselves so tied down to cover that they can't 389 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: even move their gun. You know, if the turkey circles 390 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: to the left or circles to the right, they can't 391 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: hardly turn to get their gun on the turkey. You know, 392 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: get a good backdrop of a big tree. Try not 393 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: to have a bunch of stuff out in front of 394 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: you to you know that that keeps you from moving 395 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: from one side or the other. Um. You know, you 396 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: don't have to absolutely hot the turkey. We don't have 397 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: to build a blind against the tree every time we 398 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: set up on a turkey, you know. And another thing 399 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: is is don't set up when you got the sun 400 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: directly beating on you. That some big mistake a lot 401 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: of people make. They'll set up and the sun's just 402 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: glinting off of their you know, if they're wearing glasses 403 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: or their gun barrel or anything else. And you know, 404 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of a dead give away. Turkey walks in 405 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: and best camel in the world's not gonna hide you 406 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: want to shot him? Yeah, for sure, and that kind 407 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: of uh, last year on my My Burden in Kansas, 408 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: you know, we kind of got we didn't take the 409 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: time to set up. I don't know if we half 410 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: heartedly just thought maybe there wasn't gonna be a bird there. 411 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: But remember we set up. It was so flat there 412 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: in Kansas that we kind of set up skyline a 413 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: little bit even though there wasn't much rise, and you know, 414 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: we were able to kind of stay out of that 415 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: bird's way until he got to the decoy. And then 416 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: you know, instantly when he got to that decoy, he 417 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: I think we all agreed that he kind of picked 418 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: us off probably on that horizon, you know, and we 419 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: had a pretty good set up. But it's the same 420 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: thing we we encounter a lot here in the West 421 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: turkey hunting. As we you know a little more mountainous, 422 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: a little more ridges a lot of times, what's going 423 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: through my head and let's go set up on the 424 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: ridge top because that way I don't have to pull 425 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: him up and own um. But when we set up 426 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: on that ridge top, you've just you know, you just 427 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: started playing the turkey hunting game on level expert, because 428 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: you're now basically skyline to any direction or turkey comes from. 429 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: Any little bit of movement is gonna just you know, 430 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: stick out like a sore thumb. And and so that's 431 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 1: one of the things when setting up is you know, 432 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: make sure you have a big tree as your backdrop, 433 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: or make sure you have some brush behind you, because 434 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, any of us that have did this, you 435 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: know long enough, knows like there their eyesight is just 436 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: you know, tremendous, and you can't get away with a 437 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: whole lot no, And and on your hunt, Jason, to 438 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: your point, Uh, that decoy was the thing that sealed 439 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: the deal, you know. I mean there was a little 440 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of call in to mak 441 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: him break and go ahead and come and convince him. 442 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: But without that single hind decoy that that game was 443 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: probably over before it got started. Real good. Yeah, just 444 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: a prime example of how decoys can play a role 445 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: in open terrain especially for sure. For sure, And one 446 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: thing we all thought is my bird was you know, 447 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: even for being a more mature bird, he was super hesitant. 448 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: So you know, were there other big birds out there 449 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: that were affecting just how callab he was It's almost 450 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: like he approached very gingerly. Um, he didn't want, you know, 451 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: to him to pop out of the brush and whip 452 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: him again. So, um, that was one thing we noticed. 453 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: And calling that bird, we were we had to be 454 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: very very patient with him because he wasn't gonna put 455 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: up with a ton of calling. Um, which is you 456 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: know you adjusted once you've seen that, and we you 457 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: know you just adjusted your calling to that style. Yeah, 458 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: I might add to um, that was one time that uh, 459 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: though they've came in very handy oftentimes, always carry your 460 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: binoculars because when I started to work that bird, when 461 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: he locked up, I couldn't I couldn't visually see him 462 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: with my eyes. So I was using the binoculars to 463 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: look at the Dirk's screen on his camera to see 464 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: what the bird was doing and how he reacted to 465 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: my call, so so that I could knew how to 466 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: work the turkey, which you know that might might be 467 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: cheating in some respects, but it worked, you know. And 468 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: and and he finally he finally broke when I started 469 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: clucking and pern to him and soft talking to him, 470 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: and uh decided he wanted to go ahead. That was 471 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: the convincer, you know, and you never know what's gonna 472 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: work and what's not gonna work. But the big thing 473 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: is is you always want to have a big basket 474 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: of tricks and different things that you can do to uh, 475 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: to convince the turkey, and you know, switching up calls, 476 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 1: making sure you've got a couple of calls that that 477 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: have some different sounds. You know, obviously we didn't have 478 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: but one hind decoy, but that doesn't mean there wasn't 479 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: a hand back over and on the other side behind 480 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: me in that field that was doing some calling. So 481 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, all those things come into play. Well. That 482 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: that little story there from the Kansas trip was a 483 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: good segue into is Chris Parrish's calling system or your approach? Um? 484 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: Are you feeding off of every bird's personality his aggressiveness? 485 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: Are you going you know, do you or do you 486 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: have a checklist Let's say one through five. I'm gonna 487 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: sit down, I'm gonna do a little bit of you know, 488 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: purrin and yelping and kind of you know, build to 489 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: cutting or when you you know, and I can't lay 490 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: everything out here for you, Chris, but but in general, like, 491 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: what's your approach to calling birds, And I know the 492 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 1: situation has a lot to do with it, but if 493 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: you can kind of lay that out for us, I'll 494 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: go through two scenarios here real quick. Um. One would 495 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: be a scenario. Let's just say you do not have 496 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: a bird located. You're gonna go in and do some 497 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: blind calling. And what I mean by blind calling is 498 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: you don't see a bird, you haven't heard of turkey, 499 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: but you know turkey's frequent up specific area, kind of 500 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: like what we did on your Kansas hunt. You know 501 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: that bird didn't answer anything until after we set up, 502 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: and we kind of set down to do some blind 503 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: calling and see if anything would come into that little 504 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: food plot area. At that point, what I'll do is 505 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: I'll always start off soft, always soft, cluck in some 506 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: soft yelping, just just some soft stuff to just feel 507 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: the thing out and see if I can get a 508 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: turkey to react to it. And after I've called that 509 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: first little sequence, let's just say, I do you know 510 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: some two or three small series of five six notes, 511 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 1: soft yelping, some clucking. I'll just shut up and just 512 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: give it five or six or seven minutes and just 513 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: see what happens. Something might push walk out. Maybe he 514 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: decides after not me not calling for four or five minutes, 515 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: he decides to gobble and let me know that he's 516 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: in the area. Uh. And then at that point I 517 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: will always let the turkey dictate how I called to him. Now, 518 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: whether I call hard to him or soft to him, 519 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: all depends on how he answers me. If that turkey 520 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: is cutting my calls and and gobbling hard, and they 521 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: have personalities, and I'll push this back a little bit 522 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: on you, Elk answer the same way. You know, you 523 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: can tell when it elk is really smoking, when he 524 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: really answers hard to you and bugles hard to you, uh, 525 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: compared to a half hearted bugle turkey's gobble In the 526 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: same way you'll get a turkey. You'll hit him with 527 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: a call and heal gobble and it's like he vibrates 528 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: the hat on your head. Or the next time he 529 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: gobbles and it's just like he's answering you, telling you 530 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: I'm over here. So whichever way I read that is 531 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: kind of gonna dictate how I go ahead and call 532 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: to that turkey. Now, that doesn't mean I'm gonna jump 533 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: in on him and start yelping and cutting and really 534 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: calling to him hard, because if I don't need to, 535 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: there's no reason to do that. If he's gonna answer 536 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: soft calls and come, that's all I'm gonna give him 537 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: soft calls and come. But now if he kind of 538 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: holds his ground, I might juice it up a little 539 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: bit and and start hitting him with some excited yelping, 540 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of cutting to try to to try 541 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,239 Speaker 1: to app him up a little bit and see if 542 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: I can make him break and go ahead and come 543 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: a little bit. I really don't have a set pattern. 544 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: I I generally just let the turkey dictate how I'm 545 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: gonna call to him, and let the situation dictate. If 546 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: he's got hens and you saw this last year with 547 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: Dirk and Ice hunt. Uh, sometimes they're you're just not 548 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: even gonna get the hints to break and come no 549 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: matter what you do. Yeah, they'll call back to you 550 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: a lot of times and walk off. And with that 551 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: you just gotta, uh, you know, rearrange how you're gonna 552 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: hunt those turkeys. But you let the turkeys dictate. I 553 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: think I think letting the turkeys dictate how you called 554 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: to him is always the best case scenario because you 555 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: can get a read on them, and after you've hunted 556 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: them for a little bit, you'll understand, you know, kind 557 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about, how they answer you, how 558 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: they react to your calls, and how you need to 559 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, move and and adjust your calling to what 560 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: they're doing. But um, I don't ever have a set pattern, 561 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: but I always carry a multiple of calls because you 562 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: never know what the turkey's gonna answer. One minute, he's 563 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: answering a mouth call and he stops. Then you pick 564 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: up a slate call and you hit him, and all 565 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he likes that pitch and tone, he 566 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: changes his attitude and here he comes. Yep, exactly, very 567 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: very similar to um, you know ELK calling, or you 568 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: kind of have your progressions, like you kind of start 569 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 1: at the lowest, the lowest threat level and then slowly 570 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: work up, you know, so pers and klucks, you know, 571 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: maybe some soft helps and and it seems like the 572 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: same thing we want to do with ELK, even though 573 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: we may be big a little bit more is you 574 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: you kind of want to call that turkey in with 575 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: the least amount of aggressive calling and then and then 576 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: work up from there. So yeah, yeah, real similar to 577 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: our approach, you know, with with elk And then one 578 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,679 Speaker 1: thing I want to ask you, Chris specifically, because it 579 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: seems like any any turkey hunter that that's been doing 580 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: it for a while or anybody has much experience, is 581 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: you know, what's your approach to dealing with hung up birds? 582 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: You know that that big hang up, that bird you know, 583 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: maybe pays attention to you for a little bit, gets 584 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: to you know, a hundred and fifty yards somewhere where 585 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 1: you can't see him. Maybe you can hear him gobbling 586 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: at one location for a while. Can you give the 587 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: listeners kind of what your your approach to hang ups is? 588 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: We we've tried to be really aggressive, Like if you 589 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: feel like he's you know, come to a certain location 590 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: and then faded, we'll get up and be very aggressive, 591 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: try to get to that location and see if we 592 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: can get him to come back to that location since 593 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: he was comfortable there before. You know, whether it's in 594 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: like a strut zone, but that's kind of been our approach. 595 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: Whether we're doing it right, I don't know, but um, 596 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: let's hear what you have. You know, what's what's in 597 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: your bag of tricks for hang ups? I don't know 598 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: if there's a writer or wrong on any of it, 599 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: and and you're gonna you're gonna hit and miss regardless. 600 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: It's a wild, wild turkey. He's gonna do some things 601 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: that you have no idea what he's thinking. He don't 602 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: know what he's thinking half the time. I'm pretty sure 603 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: of it. But I approach it similar to what you're 604 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: you're talking about. UM. You know, if I can't see 605 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: the turkey and he's been gobbling, or if he's still 606 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: answering me, um, generally, my first indication is he's probably 607 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: got hands with him. There's a good good chance he's 608 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: got hands with him. That's the reason why he's not 609 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: breaking and coming. Um. Or you're dealing with a four 610 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: or five year old turkey that just knows how the 611 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: game's played, and he's gonna wait and see if that 612 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: hand will come to him. The first thing that I'll 613 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: do most of the time, as I will shut up 614 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: on the turkey for a little while and let him 615 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: think about it. I'll start off and try to call 616 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: to him and get him gobblin pretty strong and and 617 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: kind of try to see if I can make him, 618 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, get him to that fever pitch if he 619 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: doesn't break, and I shut up on him and he 620 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: still doesn't break, and they say after five, six, seven minutes, 621 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: and I hit him with a call and he gobbles again. 622 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: He's in the same spot. I'm gonna look the terrain 623 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: over real carefully, and I'm gonna make a move. May 624 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: move right, they move left. I may move right at him. 625 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: I may try to get up and make a big 626 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: circle and getting a different location. Sometimes just changing locations 627 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: and sometimes by fifty two yards can make all the 628 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: difference in the world. All of a sudden, Now you 629 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: become alive, hen because you're not sitting in the same 630 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: place for the last hour. And a lot of people 631 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: don't realize that, but you know, if you're sitting there 632 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: calling in the same spot, now, is he's sitting out 633 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: there thinking, oh, well, that's a human being. No, he's not. 634 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: He didn't have a clue, but he does know if 635 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: that he is consistently calling all the time in the 636 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: same spot, she should be coming to him. That's how 637 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: the game has played. And so he realizes that that's 638 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: not what you know is not natural. It's not natural. 639 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: So I'll make a move on that Turkey I'll try 640 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: to get in a different position and see what happens 641 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: there if if he does fade off, say, for example, 642 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: he gets in behind some hens and he's moving with 643 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: some hens, especially if he keeps gobbling and he's going 644 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: in a certain direction, I'll try to make a great, big, 645 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: wide circle and get in front of that and just 646 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: kind of figure out how they're moving, and then maybe 647 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: lightly called to try to keep them coming that way. 648 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: Now I have seen the hens turn around and go 649 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: right back to where they were, just because they don't 650 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: want to deal with you. If you call to him 651 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: and you're gonna you're gonna fight that battle. At that point, 652 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna play the waiting game and just see 653 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: if those hens will leave him at nine or ten 654 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning if it's a morning hunt. Um. 655 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes the hens are with them all day and you 656 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: just have to you know, you just have to keep 657 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: working around and working around until you finally get in position. 658 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's just not gonna happen. Sometimes you're just 659 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: gonna be unsuccessful and chalk it up and try to 660 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: do something different. Another thing that I have done that 661 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: is probably a last resort overall is if I can 662 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: get in there close enough and get a visual, and 663 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: I know that every single time, those hens are walking 664 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: him off. A lot of times I'll try to go 665 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: in there and actually split them up. I'll go in 666 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: there and and run try to run the hens off. 667 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: I'll split the gobbler away from the hens are just 668 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: spook them in every direction. I know this sounds totally crazy, 669 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 1: and people look at it like, wow, man, what are 670 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: you doing. Well, I can tell you something if you've 671 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: got especially if you have all day to hunt. Now 672 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: in Missouri, we don't have that, so I tend to 673 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: be a little more conservative here in Missouri where I live. 674 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: But in areas where I can hunt all day and 675 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: it's say ten o'clock in the morning, eleven o'clock and 676 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: those turkeys are hanging out, a lot of times, I'll 677 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: go in there and bust them up. And you go 678 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: back there an hour later and he's standing over in 679 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: the corner goblin trying to relocate his hands. You sneak 680 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: in there and give him one little yell, and a 681 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: lot of times he'll run over the top of it. Again. 682 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: It's a last resort, but I have had it worked 683 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: multiple times, so I guess what I'm getting at in 684 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: a nutshell is, don't be afraid to try a lot 685 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: of different things. Don't be afraid to move on them. 686 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,479 Speaker 1: You know, your tactic about moving up and setting up 687 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: where they were, it's a great tactic to use. I've 688 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: have called him right back to those areas before, just 689 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: because they do feel comfortable with it. But try it 690 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: all and you're gonna find that every turkey is going 691 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: to do something different. No two turkeys are gonna act 692 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: the like. So that's that's the fun part of turkey 693 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: hunting too. It's always a chess gig. Yeah, there's some 694 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: great tips and some you know, great things to try. 695 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: So the question we get all the time, and of 696 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: course we get to run a call fairly well compared 697 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: to most. Um. Everybody wants to sound like Chris Parrish 698 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 1: or you know, Jason Phelips or guys that are are 699 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: good on a diaphragm. In your opinion, how important is 700 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: it to be a great caller? And by that I 701 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: mean like you make the prettiest sounds and the most 702 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: accurate sounds versus you know, how important is it to 703 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: know how to turkey hunt well? I think and I'm 704 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: always gonna say I think being a better woodsman is 705 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: is going to be far more successful for a guy 706 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: than being a better caller. But I think there's a 707 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: combination of especially this day and age where we have 708 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: probably about as many turkey counters as we've ever had. 709 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of turkeys. But I think calling 710 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: is overrated when it comes to like sounding perfect, because 711 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: if you listen to a hand, sometimes there's nothing that 712 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: sounds worse than a than alive hand. So the most 713 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: important part of calling, to me is understanding how to 714 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: call in a particular situation, and then calling with the 715 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: right rhythms and putting your sequences together. And and I'll 716 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: use this for an example. I remember turkey hunting in 717 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: Arkansas many years ago with a fellow that's a great caller, 718 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: and I love him to death, But he called to 719 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: this turkey with a repetitive style of calling, meaning that 720 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: there was four or five clucks and seven yelps. Turkey 721 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: would gobble, and he would four or five clucks and 722 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: seven yelps, and he would do it exactly the same 723 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: every time, and eventually the turkey shut up, and uh, 724 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: I whispered and said don't call to the turkey for 725 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: a little while, give it about ten minutes. So when 726 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: ten minutes to twelve minutes whatever it was was up, 727 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: I made one one note, yelled, I went one time, 728 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: the turkey gobbled, never said of what another word, and 729 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: strutted right to us. Prime example of one changing up 730 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: the sound of your call because it was a different 731 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: sounding call, and then being more natural with your calling. Um, 732 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: I just think being natural with it is the key 733 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: is calling with broken rhythms, with uh more natural qualities 734 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,479 Speaker 1: to the call as far as your your rhythms and 735 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: and how you present the call, and and not being 736 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: uh fake with your calling so to speak, or you're 737 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: doing it repetitively the same way over and over and 738 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: over again. And I think that that probably is a 739 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: better key in calling. But if I had to say 740 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: one thing, learn the turkey and learn what the turkeys 741 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: are doing in the area that you're hunting and you're 742 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: calling will always be second to that. Now, that's one 743 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: thing I noticed, um hunting with you, Chris, and you know, 744 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: I try to do the same thing, is is do 745 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: what the real turkeys do? You know? And we get 746 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: to listen to a lot of guys just start cutting 747 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: on a mouth diaphragm and it's just you know, never 748 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: ending her. You know, a fly down cackle that's just 749 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: loud and and you know, out in the woods you 750 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: might hear like three little quick yelps or like, you know, 751 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: just a couple of little quick cuts or cuts, and 752 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: you know the guy out there trying to mimic what 753 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: they see. And you know some professional caller do on 754 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,320 Speaker 1: the stage. They're out there, you know, nineteen hard cuts 755 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: in a row and then right into a seventeen note yelp, 756 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 1: and you know, whatever it may be. But I think 757 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: sometimes just being subtle and natural and fitting in with 758 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: the natural turkeys in your area is going to lead 759 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: to a lot better success than just going out there 760 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: and just you know, no matter how good you are, 761 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: just cranking on that call and just kind of be 762 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: in the loudmouth hin that that doesn't fit in. Well, yes, 763 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: And you know, to your point, I think, uh, understanding 764 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 1: and listening to real turkeys. You know, that's the great 765 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: thing about YouTube and other things. You can get on 766 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: there and listen to these turkeys and listen to how 767 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: they you know, when you hear you watch a hen 768 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: walking through the woods and she'll be walking along and 769 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: she'll you know, she's cluck and she and you hear 770 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: that that note that I did on the end of 771 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: that little series of yelps and did with my voice, 772 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: which is not great, But that's like a questioning yelp. 773 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: She's arch and she's looking for another turkey, whether it 774 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: be an other hand, whether it be a gobbler. But 775 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: learning how to put that kind of question mark and 776 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: searching and and uh um emotion into your calling. That 777 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: emotion is no different than you and I talking. You know, 778 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: if we're uh if we were l cutting together and 779 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: you popped over ridge and saw three eight six by 780 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: six and and I happen to be carrying the bow, 781 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: You're probably gonna look around at me and go, come on, 782 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: come on, come on, let's get up here and get 783 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: on this on this elp, and I'm gonna be running 784 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: and jogging. But if we're just easing through there and 785 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: we're nothing's going on, our emotions are going to be lower. 786 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: So understanding how to put emotion in your calling is 787 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 1: very critical because you know, I always use this analogy 788 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: when I do a seminar. If my wife asked me 789 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: the first time to take the trash out, she's gonna 790 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: ask me fairly nice. The third time she asked me 791 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: to take the trash out is probably gonna be a 792 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: little more vocal, a little bit, a little bit more radical. So, 793 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, keeping that in mind, kind of approach your 794 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: calling style to that because it seems to have worked 795 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: for me for forty five years, not giving my age away. 796 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: But uh, now we're gonna have a little bit of 797 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: fun with this. Um, We're gonna put you on the spot. 798 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: If you could only go into the Turkey Woods with 799 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: one call, and on that one call, you could only 800 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: produce one sounds. Let's say you can make a yelper, 801 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 1: a cluck, or a per um. What are you going with. 802 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna go with a mouth call just because 803 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: that's my go to thing. Um, and I'm going to 804 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: probably stick with just yelping. I'm gonna I'm just gonna yell, 805 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: and the call of my choice is generally a combo 806 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: cutter bat wing style call. That's that's my you know, 807 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got them in the met eator line, 808 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: got him in your line and my signature line, and 809 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,879 Speaker 1: all of them run fantastic and that's that's what I'm 810 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,240 Speaker 1: gonna run and and I'm generally gonna I would generally 811 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: use a mouth call. I use all of them, but 812 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: if I was stuck with one, that would be the 813 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: one thing out, and I would stick to yelping only 814 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 1: because that's just the backbone and the bread and butter 815 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: of turkey calling. And that's what you hear more hens do, 816 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: especially is yell. Yeah, the same thing with me. Everybody asks, 817 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, what do I need to know to be 818 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: able to call turkeys in? And I said, well, everything 819 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: will help, but if you could only bring one in, like, 820 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: you know, get a good diaphragm that you're you're confident in, 821 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: and then that you know, anywhere from a four to 822 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: a nine note yelper, you know, it's just adding more 823 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 1: on and transitioning out is kind of the answer that 824 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: we go with. And then you can build off of that. 825 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: If you can yelp, I'm almost positive you can cluck. 826 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: You know, purring is gonna take some a lot of practice, 827 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: and then you know, being able yeah, being able to 828 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,359 Speaker 1: cut and put those together is gonna take a little 829 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: more skill, but you know, being able to cluck and 830 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: yelp Um, you know, learn that as far as going 831 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: out in the woods and be confident in it. And 832 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: then like you said, I like a combo cut Um, 833 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: once you get some experience, you know, it almost gives 834 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 1: you two calls and one you can play to the 835 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 1: raspy side, which is decide that the latex is is overhanging, 836 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 1: or you can go to that clear cut side and 837 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: clean up your call. So it gives you a little versatility. Um, 838 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,240 Speaker 1: And that one calls is why I think that combo 839 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: cut is is so popular and versatile for most I 840 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: would agree. Now I'm gonna put you on the spot 841 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: if you could give, you know, one or two short 842 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: tips to you know, all the turkey unders out there 843 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: that maybe aren't finding success and aren't able to put 844 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: it together a year after year, Like what are just 845 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 1: what are the two random tips from from Chris Parish. 846 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: Number one tip is scalt try to find the time 847 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: to get out and scout. Locate your turkeys, locate the 848 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: areas that they frequent. Um. You know, it's kind of 849 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: like killing a big white tail buck. You can't shoot 850 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: one where they don't live. You can't kill a turkey 851 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: where they don't want to be uh in general, So 852 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: do your scouting, put some put some footwork in and 853 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. And oftentimes you'll find that 854 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: you'll see a lot of turkeys in the fall of 855 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,760 Speaker 1: the year, and those turkeys aren't there in the spring, 856 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: so you'll have to move around and try to find 857 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: where you know where they frequent in the spring. But 858 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: find your turkeys, locate them, figure out what they're doing, 859 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: spend some time in the morning in the afternoons kind 860 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,960 Speaker 1: of figuring out that what they're doing and how they're 861 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 1: using that terrain and how they're using that area, and 862 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: that will help you greatly learn how to one where 863 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: you need to set up, where you need to start at, 864 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 1: you know what time of day you need to be 865 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: in certain locations that that eliminates a lot of the 866 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: the problem factors, and and secondly, set up closer to 867 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: the turkey if at all possible. That's the number one 868 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: biggest mistake I find of all turkey hunters make, including 869 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,680 Speaker 1: those that have hunted for a long time. They hear 870 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,839 Speaker 1: turkey gobble, and they hastily go in and set up, 871 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: and they're not set up where that turkey really wants 872 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 1: to be or there so far away that there's so 873 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: many things that can happen between the time the turkey 874 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: would get to you. Uh, and when he's coming in, 875 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: can sneak in never say a word. All of a 876 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: sudden the turkey shuts up and leaves. So get as 877 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: close as you possibly can to that turkey before you 878 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: set up. If the terrain will allow it, always try 879 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,879 Speaker 1: to break that hundred to a hundred and twenty five 880 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: yard mark and get in there tight on that turkey. 881 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: That would be the two number one, number two tips 882 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: that I could give that I think would improve anyone's success. Perfect. Yeah, 883 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: I like both of those tips, Chris, And uh, you know, 884 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,839 Speaker 1: I think it can definitely help. Um. You know, it's 885 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: at aggressive play, people really not wanting to get in tight. Um. 886 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: We've seen it, you know on the Olk side. We've 887 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: seen it on the Turkey side. Once we started pushing 888 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: that envelope and um, you know, all right, let's not 889 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: set up a hundred eight yards away, let's set up 890 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: a hundred yards away, using that terrain and that vegetation 891 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: to our advantage and being a little more aggressive. Um, 892 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: it was amazing how many birds we started calling into 893 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: our laps. Versus you know, just getting the getting the 894 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,840 Speaker 1: old gobble and walk away. And then it seems like 895 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: we spend the rest of the day chasing because we 896 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: would never be aggressive enough to get to that, you know, 897 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 1: that that bubble where we could get him to turn. Ye, 898 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of different factors, Jason, 899 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: you know there's I mean, terrain is gonna dictate a 900 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,680 Speaker 1: lot of things. Um time of year, early spring, there's 901 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: not any vegetation. It's hard to move, but there's always 902 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: roles and little things and places that you can you know, 903 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: that will allow you to try to, you know, move 904 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: a little bit closer. And again it just it will 905 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: it will eliminate a lot of problems if you if 906 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: you learn to hunt that way. Yep, yep, I agree, 907 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: I agree. Well, thanks a lot, Christopher, coming on. We 908 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: really appreciate your sharing all your knowledge and you know, 909 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: experience in the Turkey Woods with all of us, especially 910 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to calling and it's about go time. 911 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: Most seasons have started now around the West, and if 912 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 1: they haven't started, their their openers are right around the corners. 913 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 1: So hopefully everybody can use some of these tips and 914 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 1: tactics to help them be you know, a a little more 915 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: successful this year, or at least get a little more 916 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,200 Speaker 1: action by being in tighten um, you know, doing some 917 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: of the stuff you explained here. Well, I enjoyed being 918 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: on and I thank you for taking the time to 919 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: have me on here. And uh you know, I've always 920 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,760 Speaker 1: got time to talk Turkey no matter what the schedule is. Prayer. 921 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 1: We appreciate that about you, Chris, And uh yeah, I 922 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: think looking forward to joining back up with you and 923 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: Randy this year in Kansas and see if we can't 924 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: do it again. Oh absolutely, I think we'll have just 925 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: as most success or more. They had a good hatch 926 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,400 Speaker 1: last year. And I think we'll have a lot of 927 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,800 Speaker 1: goblin two year olds. And uh you know that that 928 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: to me is what's fun. I like to listen to 929 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: him goblin, m m