WEBVTT - SYSK’s Summer Movie Playlist: How Exploitation Films Work

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everyone, Chuck here. If you're wondering why you have

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly ten new episodes in your feed, this is because

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<v Speaker 1>we thought we might group things together and try a

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<v Speaker 1>little playlist here for the summer and see how it went.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this case, we're covering some of our movies

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<v Speaker 1>or movies in general. And I am setting up our

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<v Speaker 1>semi recent episode from Oh, I guess it's not that recent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's from April twenty eleven on exploitation films and how

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<v Speaker 1>they work. It was a really fun one to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you love cinema and you love movies, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you love exploitation movies especially, you're gonna love this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So please enjoy. Welcome to Stuff you should know from

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<v Speaker 2>Hang on there, fella, Oh yes, I know what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, get us going here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Chuck, the other night you may have noticed. I

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<v Speaker 2>know you did, because I watched you watch this just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of creepy but not really. You and I were

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<v Speaker 2>on TV, Yeah, on the Science Channel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we did the little shorts and we're actually proud

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<v Speaker 1>of how these turned out, which is a rarity for

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<v Speaker 1>us when there's a camera.

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<v Speaker 2>It is, so we have more shorts coming up on

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<v Speaker 2>Science Channel. They're running Saturdays and Sundays until I think

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<v Speaker 2>the first week of May or something, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and now that they're all running between ten and

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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty now supposedly during the shows I think on Saturdays,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Oddities, which is an awesome and weird show

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<v Speaker 1>it is, and then Sundays, which is Firefly, which is

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<v Speaker 1>everyone loves Firefly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I actually consider it an honor to

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<v Speaker 2>be played during Firefly. Yeah, me too, even though the

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<v Speaker 2>cast of Firefly has no idea that this is going

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<v Speaker 2>on because it's pre recorded.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Josh, So this what'sa day Thursday obviously, yeah, Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>and Sunday night this weekend. Yeah, on the Science Channel.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the Science Channel, it's part of the Discovery

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not so fancy that you have a DVR,

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<v Speaker 2>you can actually watch it as it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And we are able to run a few

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<v Speaker 1>of these online. Now I'm not the ones that are

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's it. We just take like ten minutes

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<v Speaker 1>I know. We appreciate your support. Who mine, No, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone that wants to watch these okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so are you ready? Okay, hey, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>This is Stuff you should know the podcast and kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a special edition. Frankly, I am a little excited, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little giddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Shut your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, okay, sure, all right, this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>our first ever movie centric podcast, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie centric for sure. Yeah, we've mentioned movies of course

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, but this one is like, this.

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<v Speaker 2>Is all about movies. So this is by popular request

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<v Speaker 2>to an extent. People want to see, like, they want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear us talk about movies and just do a

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<v Speaker 2>movie podcast. So we decided to focus on exploitation films. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also probably the first podcast that we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to say, if you are a teacher of children in

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<v Speaker 2>eighth grade or younger, and you're using this as a

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<v Speaker 2>teaching tool, you might want to go to the one

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<v Speaker 2>before this or the one after. We don't generally try

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<v Speaker 2>to alienate audiences. We're not attempting to now. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>a natural byproduct of the exploitation film.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't talk about exploitation films without talking about some lurid

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<v Speaker 1>subject matter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can't say exploitation without ploit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they weren't exploiting, just people being nice, right, niceploitation.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Chuck, I went and saw a movie the other

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<v Speaker 2>day called I Saw the Devil. It's a Korean movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's by the guy who did the Tale of Two Sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Oh, he said more violent than Old Boy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the guy old Boy is one of the main characters.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've seen old Boy. I've seen what's the other

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<v Speaker 2>one he did, the vampire movie, Yeah, Thirst, So I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's pretty good. It was okay, this one is

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<v Speaker 2>it's the most violent thing I've ever seen in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most graphically violent movie I've ever seen in

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<v Speaker 2>my life. The only the only reason, like I was

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<v Speaker 2>able to complete is because I'm like, this is it's

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, I know, but I walked out of it

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<v Speaker 2>like it's so over the top, it's so gory. It's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly an exploitation film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the problem is is, like, really, if you

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<v Speaker 2>start to look around, John Hughes, films technically are exploitation films.

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<v Speaker 2>The Breakfast Club is technically an exploitation film.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a big wave of teen exploitation films, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to that, but yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the broader definitions of exploitation films is

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<v Speaker 2>basically anything that's really like over the top, that is

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<v Speaker 2>beyond reality, or that maybe focuses on people's fears, their

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<v Speaker 2>sexuality and basically just kind of serves it up in

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<v Speaker 2>a larger than life manner. That's one way of looking

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<v Speaker 2>at exploitation films.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're basically they're exploiting some of the seedier aspects

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<v Speaker 1>of humanity most times.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, like murder or sex, like weird sex, that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, sexed.

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<v Speaker 1>Sex, teenagers rebelling against parents.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, like a weird science. Have you ever been to

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<v Speaker 2>a party where a couch shot out of the chimney

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<v Speaker 2>and into the pond? I mean, it's a pretty nice party.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's ever really happened, you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the vast definition of exploitation. But you and I

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of qualified to teach a cinema class at

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe a low level community college at this point

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<v Speaker 2>after the amount of research we've done in this sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and we found that academically there's a there's a much

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<v Speaker 2>more distinct definition for exploitation, and it's seemingly interchangeable term grindhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, what's the Is there a definition definition?

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<v Speaker 2>It's more like a timeframe. Okay, So from like nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen when they really first started making movies to I

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<v Speaker 2>think nineteen sixty nineteen fifty nine when the Hayes Act

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<v Speaker 2>went away, that was exploitation, and then after that it

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<v Speaker 2>became Grindhouse. Okay, gotcha, it's my understanding. Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 2>do this all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the old joke. Was that in the awesome

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<v Speaker 1>documentary American Grindhouse, which documents this this era of filmmaking. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the old joke, one of the guys says, is that

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<v Speaker 1>exploitation films began five minutes after the camera was invented,

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<v Speaker 1>the motion picture camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the guy was like the directors like to his girlfriend, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>would you mind taking your clothes off or the camera exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>So it says something about the human condition that you

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<v Speaker 1>invent the film camera, and the first moving images were

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<v Speaker 1>often lurid Edison's film. It showed clips of like decapitations

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<v Speaker 1>and violence and guys fighting, yeah, and knit naked women

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<v Speaker 1>as film tests. So it's just that says a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about people, like, all right, now we know how to

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<v Speaker 1>capture things, so let's capture sex and violence right first.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And although that really kind of jibed with public tastes,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least public fascination, it didn't jibe with the

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<v Speaker 2>prevailing standards. They agreed upon standards, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I think he said nineteen nineteen. But the first

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<v Speaker 1>exploitation film was nineteen thirteen. Oh, okay, Trafficking Souls or

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<v Speaker 1>While New York Sleeps, right, and that, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>exploitation often plays into fears. That played into the fear

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<v Speaker 1>at the time of the white slave trade. Budget of

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven grand and gross four hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>which nineteen thirteen. It's a lot of dough.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a ton of though, And.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Universal Pictures and they went, hey, going on

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<v Speaker 1>to something here.

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<v Speaker 2>Right after that was released the Hayes Code. Will Hayes

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<v Speaker 2>was the Postmaster General and Presbyterian elder and he was

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<v Speaker 2>making one hundred grand a year during the depression.

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<v Speaker 1>Unbelievable, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He basically said, like, look, we need we need to

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<v Speaker 2>apply some moral standards to filmmaking. There's decapitation, there's naked breast,

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<v Speaker 2>there's white slavery, Like we need to pure this up, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, actually, there wasn't nudity yet like those early test films.

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<v Speaker 1>There were, but nudity. We'll get to that later, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, that's what Hayes tried to do. And like

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<v Speaker 1>prohibition didn't exactly quell drinking, the Hayes Code actually sort

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<v Speaker 1>of gave rise to the exploitation movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like just like prohibition, just like marijuana prohibition,

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<v Speaker 2>just like well any drug prohibition. Anytime you say you

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<v Speaker 2>can't do this, you can't have something that you want,

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<v Speaker 2>the somebody else is going to operate in a black market.

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<v Speaker 2>A black market's going to bring up simple economics. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's exactly what happened, and that's where exploitation cinema

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<v Speaker 2>came up. It's like, you can't get this from Hollywood

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<v Speaker 2>because Hollywood has to play by the rules. But my

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<v Speaker 2>production studio is my model t and let's go make

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. Give me some money. I'm going to film

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<v Speaker 2>a child being born close up and put it in

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<v Speaker 2>the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can do that. You can make your movies

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<v Speaker 1>all day long, but if they're never exhibited, then what

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<v Speaker 1>good are you doing or not? Like they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do some good, but you're not making any scratch.

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<v Speaker 1>So the forty thieves they talk about in the documentary

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<v Speaker 1>were these filmmakers and exhibitors basically that traveled around like carnies,

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<v Speaker 1>setting up these sort of gorilla film screenings and some

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<v Speaker 1>places sort of out of the way where they can't

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<v Speaker 1>get caught. And that was for the first time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were taking films outside of the main stream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Different. Sometimes they weren't even theaters. They would show them

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<v Speaker 1>like VFW halls if you want to go see Birth

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<v Speaker 1>of a Baby films. Apparently they were popular.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a whole genre, early genre of exploitation.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and so was early on a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>film centered around like how to wear a condom in

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<v Speaker 1>these sex hygiene films.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because there was no information about that out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and so exploitation filmmakers, whether disingenuously or genuinely, were ending

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<v Speaker 2>their stuff like this is a public service. People need

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<v Speaker 2>to know this, right and making movies about it. But

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<v Speaker 2>also and people were going on that excuse as well,

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<v Speaker 2>like well, I need to know about this, But at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, it's like I want to see this

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<v Speaker 2>the craziest thing I'll ever see in my life exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Or they argued a lot of times that they were

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<v Speaker 1>cautionary tales. If they were about drugs or violence, they

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<v Speaker 1>would say, hey, this could happen to you. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you should educate yourself. But what they really want to

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<v Speaker 1>do is get.

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<v Speaker 2>Their movie scene and make some money exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Paramount decision of nineteen forty eight. This is pretty big.

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<v Speaker 1>This Supreme Court voted that movie studios could no longer

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<v Speaker 1>own their own movie theaters. At the time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there would be like the Paramount Theater in Hollywood from

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<v Speaker 1>the Paramount Film production Company. They would show their movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court said no more, and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>exploitation films became a little bit more legit because the

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<v Speaker 1>Hayes Code kind of fell apart. Yeah, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>post World War two, so.

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<v Speaker 2>People had seen a lot of death recently, well a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of death, and then they thought ladies in suggestive roles

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<v Speaker 1>were good for morale. And there was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of loosening on the sex thing a little bit post

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<v Speaker 1>World War two.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough that led to another subgenre of exploitation film, the

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<v Speaker 2>nwdest colony film, which were pawned off as documentaries. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot well most of these were pawned off as document documentaries,

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<v Speaker 2>which legitimized them, but really it was maybe it actually

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<v Speaker 2>was film that a news camp. Probably not. Mostly there

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<v Speaker 2>were actors and actresses just engaged in archery naked or

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<v Speaker 2>long walks naked.

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<v Speaker 1>There could be no sex.

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<v Speaker 2>Still that was still no taboo, but it was just

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<v Speaker 2>like naked pretty people right at a newdist colony, which

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<v Speaker 2>is interesting because you're not a nudist, so come learn

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<v Speaker 2>about them exactly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, through the history we had things like the

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<v Speaker 1>teen like you said, the teen Rebellion of the fifties

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<v Speaker 1>with the rebel thought of Cause and Blackboard Jungle and

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<v Speaker 1>movies like that all of a sudden were targeted specifically

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<v Speaker 1>at teens, which was new, and then drive in theaters

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<v Speaker 1>were built so teenagers could see movies where their parents

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<v Speaker 1>weren't going to be. Apparently the adults didn't go to

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<v Speaker 1>drive ins a lot at first. Oh yeah, it's all kids.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>So they showed exploitation films and then later the beach films,

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<v Speaker 1>which were marketed as it's silly, it's Frankie avalon, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were decidedly weird and overtly sexual sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>And then chuck, if you'll notice, we're kind of progressing

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<v Speaker 2>along in this chronological order, and each thing is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of being built on the last.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very much a step process, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And apparently that was kind of the form that exploitation

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<v Speaker 2>filmmaking followed until nineteen sixty it was just it was

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<v Speaker 2>centered around drugs, violence, sex, and in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>ways they were presented as documentaries. They might not have

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<v Speaker 2>a plot, and basically it was one person would make

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<v Speaker 2>some film and it would just break all the rules,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a bunch of other people would make similar films,

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<v Speaker 2>right and the same. That was the way it went.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in the nineteen sixties things just started to

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<v Speaker 2>go every which way, all sorts of directions. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>nudity nudy films were a long standing thread of exploitation

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<v Speaker 2>films and then they probably reached their pinnacle with Russ Myers, right,

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<v Speaker 2>King of the Nudies is what he's called.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was the first guy to He's significant because

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<v Speaker 1>he was the first director to have films featuring nudity

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<v Speaker 1>that actually were dramatic narratives and had plots and characters,

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<v Speaker 1>and they weren't classified as documentaries anymore. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>Roughies came along and they offered up violence for the

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<v Speaker 1>not first time, but big time for the first time. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that has a lot to do with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there was the sixties and Kennedy was shot and

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<v Speaker 1>the United States was just becoming increasingly violent.

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<v Speaker 2>America lost its innocence. Yeah, and the other thing that

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<v Speaker 2>really happened in the nineteen sixties was the Hayes Coote

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<v Speaker 2>officially won away, was replaced by the MPAA and the

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<v Speaker 2>I guess the long standing prohibition on Hollywood producing exploitation

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<v Speaker 2>films was it was lessened decreased, and so studios were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we can make money over here too, Well, let's start

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<v Speaker 2>making exploitation films right, And this is where grindhouse was born.

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<v Speaker 2>So my cinema professor definition of grindhouse is big budget,

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<v Speaker 2>studio backed exploitation films. Okay, okay, yeah, that's that's mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be a quiz question later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll go with that. Actually, back up one second.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to mention Herschel Gordon Lewis. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>director who had a Codre. I can't remember the other

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<v Speaker 1>guys named you. Anyway, he was a co director and

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<v Speaker 1>he was one of these exploitation guys that was getting

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated because there weren't a lot of places to show

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<v Speaker 1>your movie. So it was a pretty crowded marketplace. So

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<v Speaker 1>he said, what's the one taboo that like people will

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<v Speaker 1>pay to see that you're allowed to show in theaters,

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<v Speaker 1>but that studios won't make. And it was Gore. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was the first guy to start showing really disgusting

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<v Speaker 1>bloody scenes in his movie uh, blood Feast, Blood Feast, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which actually was three years after Psycho, and Psycho also

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<v Speaker 1>did a lot for the mainstream ushering in of sure,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of Gore in that, but well there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a.

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<v Speaker 2>Shot of blood following Janet Lee's murder, you know, which

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<v Speaker 2>is I imagine it's pretty graphic for Hollywood, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you think of You're like, oh, those stupid sixties, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's you know, there were so naive like that was controversial,

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<v Speaker 2>not really though, Like if you stepped just slightly outside

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<v Speaker 2>of Hollywood, you ran into things like Blood Feast, right,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know Last House on the Left. Yes, well

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<v Speaker 2>that's nineteen seventy two, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Wes Craven. So that was important because all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, a drugs started, well three things. Political themes

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<v Speaker 1>started popping up, right, sexual freedom, the youth generation. Drugs

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<v Speaker 1>started popping up in movies for the first time, drug use,

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<v Speaker 1>well not for the first time, we'll talk about reefer madness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but teenagers were depicted as victims of violence for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, like Last House on the Left I believe

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of regarded as the first teen slasher film.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Wes Craven, it was almost a snuff film. It

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<v Speaker 2>was almost regarded like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty hardcore.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it definitely blood Feasts definitely allowed Last House

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<v Speaker 2>on the Left to come around, but it also probably

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<v Speaker 2>more directly formed the foundation for slasher exploitation like Friday

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<v Speaker 2>the Thirteenth or Nightmare on Elm Street. Absolutely, My Bloody

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine's another big one. Crazy great, yeah, crazy. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was an original, right, there's a remake now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah, yeah, remakes. So that brings us We're

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<v Speaker 1>in the seventies, politically charged movies brought race into the

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<v Speaker 1>to the mix, and all of a sudden, we had

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<v Speaker 1>black exploitation or black exploitation movement starting exploiting the civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights movement basically. But the cool thing about black exploitation

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<v Speaker 1>films is for the first time you had African Americans

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<v Speaker 1>as heroes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and not heroes in a typical sense, not even

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<v Speaker 2>anti heroes, but heroes that were like They didn't ride

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<v Speaker 2>into town on a white horse or wearing a white hat.

0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.600
<v Speaker 2>They very clearly wore black hats. If need be, like

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<v Speaker 2>they would engage in crime, they would murder people, if

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<v Speaker 2>nimbi they were. They were basically like the face of

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<v Speaker 2>black America coming out of the Civil Rights are like,

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<v Speaker 2>we're ticked off.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and we're gonna stick it to the

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<v Speaker 1>white man to get to the man, and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do it in these movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck, I know the movie you're about to mention. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>this is it.

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<v Speaker 3>You keep the faith in me, You my man, You're

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite man.

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<v Speaker 1>Can so Yes. That was a landmark film for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of reasons. One because it grows four million bucks

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<v Speaker 1>and it made the major studio say, hey, you know

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<v Speaker 1>what the black hero is marketable?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well you haven't said the title yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you gotta say it right too.

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<v Speaker 1>Melvin Van Peebles film Sweet Sweetback's Badass Song.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, That was well done. That was nineteen seventy one.

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<v Speaker 2>Men Van Peebles, whose last name may sound familiar. He's

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<v Speaker 2>the father of Mario van Peebles. For your younger cats

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Cats all right, age actually younger cats because he's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like, okay, so cats A, yeah, that's Mario Van

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<v Speaker 1>Peebles's dad, you know, New Jack City. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So Melvin Van Peebles made this movie. He produced it,

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<v Speaker 2>he raised the money for it, he wrote it, he

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<v Speaker 2>directed it, he starred in it. And it was the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the blaxploitation subgenre, which is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most important genres of any American cinema absolutely ever, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>and so considering how important that subgenre is, this quote

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<v Speaker 2>from Time Magazine's film critic Richard Corliss should really hit home.

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<v Speaker 2>Sweet Sweet Back is quote, without question or competition, the

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<v Speaker 2>most influential movie by a black filmmaker. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a really big deal, right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was. It was just quickly on the plot.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about a black man who was a jiggielow.

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<v Speaker 2>Who, which is a male prostitute for you younger cats.

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<v Speaker 1>And he had a deal worked out with the cops

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<v Speaker 1>where he was he said, you know, you can arrest

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<v Speaker 1>me as much as you want, release me right after

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<v Speaker 1>fill your quota. It's all good. And then one day,

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<v Speaker 1>while the arrest is going down, the cops attack a

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<v Speaker 1>black panther, and Sweet Sweet Back kills one of the

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<v Speaker 1>cops and then just says he just goes on a

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<v Speaker 1>rampage against the white man after that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got prostitution, tons and tons of nudity and sex,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of violence, and other crimes all wrapped up into

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<v Speaker 2>a black power theme.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then to top it all off, you have what

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<v Speaker 2>is arguably a child sex scene starring Mario van People's

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<v Speaker 2>melvivv People's son at I think age six, having sex

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<v Speaker 2>as Sweet Sweetback. It's his first sexual encounter with an

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<v Speaker 2>older person. And in the cult podcast, if he became

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<v Speaker 2>a cult leader, he would have taken a younger bride. Remember,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's right. So if you're interested in that

0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.520
<v Speaker 2>movie and you can't get enough of Sweet sweetbacks bad

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<v Speaker 2>Ass song, you could also check out bad Ass exclamation Point,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Mario van Peebles's biopic about his father making

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<v Speaker 2>that movie. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have not seen that, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and it just sort of subp at

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<v Speaker 1>the cracks.

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<v Speaker 2>There's always Netflix, baby, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened with Sweet Sweetback was that, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>that told the studios, hey, that we can market this,

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<v Speaker 1>and so they got a little more mainstream with movies

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<v Speaker 1>like Superfly, which were a little safer shaft shaft movies

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<v Speaker 1>at wide audiences would enjoy as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the ones that didn't scare the man exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>Scheft's a good guy. He doesn't take any guff from

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<v Speaker 2>the man, but the people he's not taking guff from,

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<v Speaker 2>or the cops, who he's really on the same side.

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<v Speaker 2>Ass that's right. So chuck exploitation obviously huge. It affected

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<v Speaker 2>everything from you know, Menace to Society to Black Ela.

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<v Speaker 2>All of that came from Sweet Sweet Back. And we

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned the guy who directed this next movie, Russ Myers.

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<v Speaker 2>This is pro probably a seminole work. Let's listen to

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<v Speaker 2>this clip from the trailer.

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<v Speaker 3>You walk, Ladies and gentlemen, Gold Gold for a wild,

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<v Speaker 3>wild ride with the Watusi cats. But beware, the sweetest

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<v Speaker 3>kittens have the sharpest claw. By your own safety.

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<v Speaker 5>See faster pussy.

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<v Speaker 3>Cats kill, kill, wild women, wild wheels. Race the fastest

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:27.720
<v Speaker 3>pussy cats and they'll be Jill to sober woman Fulton,

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<v Speaker 3>wild and cooked.

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<v Speaker 5>You're placing yourself on this kid, then hanging itself for

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<v Speaker 5>nothing by.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing, got nothing to do with the money.

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<v Speaker 4>Jis the money.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack and Jill. They make a mafia look like Brownie.

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<v Speaker 1>They make the mafia look like Brownie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. That says quite a bit about them. So

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<v Speaker 2>this that was faster pussy Cat Kill Kill in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five Russ Meers basically women exploitation film NUDI film.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember Russ Meyers was King of the nudies. He made

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six movies. But this is probably at the very

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 2>least is his best known, if not like his masterpiece.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he hatched a slew of I mean not

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<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't legit, he was, but what mainstream people

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<v Speaker 1>would call legit filmmakers were came up through the russ

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<v Speaker 1>Meyer film camp basically. Yeah, so it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and russ Meyer also a little known fact. Another

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<v Speaker 2>movie that's mentioned in this article. There's an article on

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<v Speaker 2>the site, by the way, called ten Noteworthy exploitation Films

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<v Speaker 2>that this is based on, Yeah, written by you, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which I showly recommend going to read because it has

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of extra stuff we're not going to cover

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<v Speaker 2>in this one, Yeah, or at least extra movies. But

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<v Speaker 2>russ Meyer directed a movie called Beyond the Valley of

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<v Speaker 2>the Dolls two right, which was the bastard son of

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<v Speaker 2>the legitimate film that Beyond Valley of Dolls is a

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<v Speaker 2>jiggle fest written by none other than Roger Ebert's right, yeah,

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the movie Roger Ebert ever wrote, Yeah, he had a Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very brief career. But that's it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>an illustrious one. Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So if you're going to talk about the plot,

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<v Speaker 1>a faster pussy cat kill kill, And I say that

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<v Speaker 1>because there's three exclamation.

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<v Speaker 2>Points and a comma exclamation point kill.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it three exclamation points?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought it was a common then too. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>either way, that's a lot of punctuation for a film title, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was about three bisexual go go dancers. They

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<v Speaker 1>go on a crime spree out in the desert, and

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<v Speaker 1>what do they do? They end up killing a man

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<v Speaker 1>and or no, they kill the man and a couple

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<v Speaker 1>keep the girl.

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<v Speaker 2>They basically empower herme on with it by murdering her boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 2>and she ends up on the crime spree with them.

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<v Speaker 1>And they basically end up going to an isolated house

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 1>with a wheelchair bound old man and his son's.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's a lech? They're all leches, these women.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they don't know that these women are tough,

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 1>no tough ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>And the men and his son. The man and his

0:25:58.920 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 2>sons apparently or allegedly have a large amount of cash

0:26:02.119 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 2>stashed in this house. So it's kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>standoff of gall to see who will come out on top.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you know who comes out on top. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And this film was noteworthy for one big reason was

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a lot of dualism towards gender. So on

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<v Speaker 1>one hand, he's exploiting these women and apparently got women

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<v Speaker 1>in their first trimester of pregnancy, so they were more voluptuous.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not in this film, but in his other folks

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>he would hire. I can't remember the lady's name, but

0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>the star of Festor pussy Cat Kill Kill was in

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<v Speaker 2>other Russ Meyers films, gotcha, and he made sure that

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<v Speaker 2>she was like well into her third first trimester to

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<v Speaker 2>enhance her natural bustiness.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, yeah, her bosom if you will. But the script,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it was dualism because while he did that,

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<v Speaker 1>it also empowered women because the women in his films

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<v Speaker 1>bowed to no man. No, they were the champs. They

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<v Speaker 1>were they were heroines really for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>They were objectified very clearly. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>if you follow the script and really look at their characters,

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<v Speaker 2>then yeah, they're powerful women.

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<v Speaker 1>And this kind of kicked off a big slew of

0:27:10.600 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>women exploitation films, exploitation films, the women in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>Movies, yes, which we lads sisters very.

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<v Speaker 1>Big at the time. Women were lead actors for the

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.359
<v Speaker 1>first time, they were aggressors for the first time, still

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>nude often while they were doing this stuff.

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Spawned the television show The Facts of Life.

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<v Speaker 1>But the interesting thing is they found that these movies

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<v Speaker 1>appealed to men and women because men would go see

0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>it for obvious reasons. Women would go see it because

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>it was empowering and they didn't mind, you know, looking

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 1>at the naked ladies because women are much more grown up,

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 1>sure than men are. Yeah, but josh, the seventies also

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<v Speaker 1>got a little schlocky, which in a sense was true

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>to the exploitation model, Like they really went over the top.

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<v Speaker 1>No more political statements, no more advancing of women's gender

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<v Speaker 1>or African marins Americans. It just got really shlocky and

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 1>outrageous at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what happened starting in the sixth really took hold

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies, and then from that point on was

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 2>exploitation cinema, early on showing a live birth, nudest camps.

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 2>These are all geared toward adults in the sixties, and

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<v Speaker 2>then later on big time in the seventies, the audience

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:28.440
<v Speaker 2>became almost exclusively teenagers, like those driving teenagers or well

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 2>teenagers anywhere, who cares, but the audience was teenagers, and

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>the cast started to become teenagers, so it had a

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 2>little more of a bent on what teenagers were having

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 2>to deal with, like bullying, like the kid in this

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<v Speaker 2>next clip right, which is I have to say, one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite movies from way way back.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go with Toxic Avenger.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, meet little Melvin. He's a ninety pound weekly. Everyone

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 5>hated Melvin. Yeah, I'm gonna take this mop and shove

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<v Speaker 5>it down your throat, me teased him.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do it with you, podkay.

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<v Speaker 5>They taunted him. They tormented him until he had a

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<v Speaker 5>horrifying accident and fell into a bat of nuclear waste,

0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 5>transforming little Melting into a hideously deformed creature of superhuman

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 5>size and strength. The movement became the Toxic Avenger.

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<v Speaker 1>So Josh. The Toxic Avenger movie was unique in that

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:37.440
<v Speaker 1>its film production company, Trauma, is very popular in their

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 1>own right.

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen surf Nazis Must Die?

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I haven't, but I know about you Trauma. I mean,

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 1>they are master self promoters and marketeers.

0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 2>They were one of the first production companies to have

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a website, like a really comprehensive website. You should go

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 2>on their website, their whole catalog. It's really just well done.

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 2>It's schlocky, but it's well done, right.

0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>And Toxic Avenger follows a story of a ninety eight

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>pound weekling who was picked on released the same year's Ghostbusters.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you notice that nineteen eighty four?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it was it occurred at zero year.

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>It's the year zero. Yeah, we'll just put the null

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 1>set represent that. And this kid gets pushed out of

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.360
<v Speaker 1>a window into a vat of toxic sludge.

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Which that's beyond bullying.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Really, yeah, I mean, this is basically it's a more

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 1>twisted version of modern problems. The Chevy Chase film from

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>a couple of years earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I haven't seen that one.

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh you never saw a modern problem. No, it's very silly,

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 1>but he got toxic sledge dumped on him and had

0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>special powers.

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<v Speaker 2>From years earlier, prior after.

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<v Speaker 1>What Win was the movie? Yeah, it was two years

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:48.719
<v Speaker 1>before Toxic Avenger, But Toxic Avenger took it into a

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>gore special effects way that modern Problems never did.

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>So the janitor Melvin I believe his name is, becomes toxified,

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:03.040
<v Speaker 2>it becomes toxic, the tox Avenger who beats the tar

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 2>out of people at the health club where he was

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 2>abused and mutated and has tons of sex as the

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Toxic Avenger because his newfound manhood is just irresistible to women.

0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that's noteworthy about the Toxic

0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Avenger is that they actually tried to make decent effects. Yeah,

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just it wasn't horrible. I guess you could say.

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Well for the time, you know, it wasn't bad.

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 2>No, there, they remained bad, and they probably were kind

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 2>of bad even back then. But for for for Grindhouse films,

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 2>yeah they were, they were great, right, And uh, it's

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 2>also noteworthy because it came out of Trauma Productions or

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Trouma Studios, and it led to a whole line of

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Toxic Avenger movies and schlock in general, which is basically

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 2>like some crazy, horrible thing has happened, but we're not

0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>going to dwell too much on that. Let's see what

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 2>let's let's see where the action takes us exactly. So

0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>like Bad Taste, Peter Jackson's first film Right is a

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>great example of schlock that came out of Toxic Avenger.

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 1>And he had the film that followed, Peter Jackson Dead Alive,

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.520
<v Speaker 1>which was at one point supposedly the gorrist film ever made. Really,

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:19.480
<v Speaker 1>although it sounds like your new Korean movie has surpassed that, Yeah,

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it probably has.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen that Alive's seen Bad Taste and Bad

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Taste it was horribly gory, but I think this has

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>it beat.

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I bet you if anything. I mean, I

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>haven't seen the one you're talking about. But is it

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>more realistic gore?

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, with bad it's like these are aliens that are

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.920
<v Speaker 2>having their heads blown off. So it definitely takes you

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>at least a degree away from caring this is happening

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 2>to human beings. In I saw The Devil, so it

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>definitely is driven home a little more well.

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>And the violence that even the gore back then, it

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>was so over the top, right out of Fangor magazine.

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, dude, Fangory is still around, is it? Yeah?

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I figured it was.

0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it is. We follow it on our Twitter feed.

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh we do. Yep, like a head'll explode in scanners

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it's not disturbing because it's so clearly

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>over the top. But these new movies are much more disturbing.

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 2>If you ask me, I agree wholeheartedly because they're more realistic. Yeah. So,

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 2>carrying on with Chucks and my Cisco and eber Act.

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.160
<v Speaker 2>This is the second to last movie in our little

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<v Speaker 2>list today, and this one's from way back from the thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about reefer madness.

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<v Speaker 4>These high school boys and girls are having a hop

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:36.600
<v Speaker 4>at the local soda fountain. Innocently they dance, innocent of

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 4>a new and deadly menace lurking behind closed doors. Matrijuana

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 4>the Burning Weed when it's roots in Hell or watchcase

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 4>if you want to be you will meet Bill, who

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 4>wants to pride and his strong will as he takes

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 4>the first step toward and slave undre.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the excellent reafer Madness, which was an

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:12.879
<v Speaker 1>exploitation drug exploitation film and very much a cautionary tale.

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 1>It even shaped the drug culture and how people looked

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>at drugs. Is you know marijuana at the time, Is

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:21.640
<v Speaker 1>this really evil thing that can make you crazy and

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>kill people?

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And actually, in very much the vein of early

0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>exploitation films, it was produced and distributed as a public service,

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 2>like the alternate title for it was Tell Your Children,

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>And the whole thing set in a pta meeting where

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>this guy is relating the story, and it's a story

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 2>about lost lives, about murder, about guilt and paranoia, and

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.359
<v Speaker 2>all of it is fed and based on rampant drug use,

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 2>which is really just a lot of pot smoking which

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 2>can turn you into a fiend. And it's apparently the

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 2>director his name is Dwayne Esper. He did other exploitation

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 2>films from the thirties like Sex Madness, Psychotic Connections, and

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 2>he made a name for himself basically taking these things

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 2>that may have originally been written as a public service

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:23.760
<v Speaker 2>and making them so outlandish that he exploited the people

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 2>who were making these movies and created this legacy of

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 2>like just insanely over the top exploitation films from the thirties.

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, and ironically, Reefer Madness years later, would become not

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 1>so much an anti drug propaganda film how should I

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>say this, but a film that college students would sit

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>around and watch while partaking and laughing at this whole thing. Yeah,

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and a cult film.

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it puts drugs so far out there that

0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 2>if you, despite all the warnings, take drugs anyway and

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you realize that you don't turn into a fiend and

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 2>murder somebody, you uh, refer Madness basically dares you to

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.320
<v Speaker 2>go further. So it's kind of an it's the opposite.

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>It has the opposite effect of what I think its

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 2>original intent was before Duanne Osberg got its hands on it.

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.720
<v Speaker 2>And as a side note, I had trouble deciding between

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Reefer Madness and another nineteen thirties film by a guy

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:21.720
<v Speaker 2>named Todd Browning called Freaks.

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well that was that was huge because it

0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>was the first big exploitation film pre Hayes Code and.

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Last, Yeah and last, and it was it was an

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:36.320
<v Speaker 2>MGM film. Yeah, and it's widely considered a masterpiece.

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it looks great. It's it's not it

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 1>was well done.

0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a huge it's a it's a revenge movie, which

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>is a very common theme in exploitation films. Yeah, especially

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 2>violent ones. But it's it featured Browning dared to have

0:36:50.840 --> 0:36:54.240
<v Speaker 2>real freaks. I guess if you're yes, circus side show freaks,

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 2>yeah star in this. Uh, and they basically exact their

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 2>revenge on people who've misstreat them. And I have not

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<v Speaker 2>seen it really Yeah, yeah, I want to. I hear

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 2>it's just awesome. I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>It ended his career though, unfortunately. Yeah, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>a popular filmmaker at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hats off to him for staying true to his art.

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Chuck just took his hat off.

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<v Speaker 1>Don the old cap.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Chuck, here's the last one that we've got

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<v Speaker 2>a clip for which I think everybody will notice or

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<v Speaker 2>recognize without even a word. There's not even a word

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 2>in this clip, and you will understand what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Josh, those are the unmistakable sounds of fist of

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>fury of mister one, mister Bruce.

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:10.279
<v Speaker 2>Lee, Bruce Lee kicking bottom. This first movie, Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 2>was originally titled, well, it's still title I think in

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Asia The Big Boss, and in America it is it's

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 2>titled Fists of Fury.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was on the other night. Okay, Well I

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:22.839
<v Speaker 1>saw part of it. Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't realize

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:24.399
<v Speaker 1>it was his first one, though I would have tuned in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was first of what five five major films, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And basically it's the story of a martial arts student

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 2>who's investigating the murder of his teacher, and it began

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<v Speaker 2>the martial arts exploitation sub genre, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Later would become just martial arts films. Right or was

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 1>it still considered exploitation.

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 2>It's all the same, Okay, they're one and the same.

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 2>Anything that even remotely resembles a Bruce Lee movie, specifically

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 2>The Big Boss or any of them, is martial arts

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:58.600
<v Speaker 2>exploitation technically, because again we arrive at that one definition.

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.680
<v Speaker 2>It's over the top. Bruce Lee's taking on scores of

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 2>anonymous thugs for two hours, one after the other, for

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 2>two hours, just beating the tar out of all these

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>people without tiring. Really, everybody's kind of waiting their turn

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 2>politely in a circle around him, and he has to

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>beat everybody right, and then he works his way up

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's over the top. So it is exploitation. But

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>it led to other films like Samurai exploitation. Remember American Ninja.

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Remember the whole ninja film thing that came out in

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the mid eighties. Uh uh, that's from Bruce Lee's that's

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Bruce Lee's doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you go to these at the time when

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>I was first going to New York many years ago,

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.359
<v Speaker 1>that would be you know, you got a Times Square

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>and this is still when Time Square was kind of gross,

0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 1>and that would be just the martial Arts movie store

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 1>where it was all that stuff, mane, like thousands of

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>movies about ninja's and samuraiz and martial artists and very big. Yeah.

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>I was inspired by American Ninja to become a ninja.

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Remember I entered a ninja training with Tommy Roper, who

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 2>had like more throwing stars than any kid I've ever known.

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:02.160
<v Speaker 1>What did you have? Like one throwing star?

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I borrowed his. Okay, I was not allowed to have

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<v Speaker 2>throwing stars on my own.

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh I wasn't either, Yeah, Baptist, No, No, that was

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>very violent.

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 2>No numb chuck, not even thought that transcends like religious background.

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you're a good parent, you shouldn't let your

0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 2>kid have a throwing star.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good point. And as you point in the article,

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<v Speaker 1>this actually led to another subgenre, which was Bruce Lee

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:25.919
<v Speaker 1>lookalike movies. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So he made five movies and then died at age

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:32.439
<v Speaker 2>thirty two. Yeah, and nineteen seventy three. So Big Boss

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 2>released in nineteen seventy one, he dies two years later.

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:38.879
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's like, no, so let's find some guys that look

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>like him, which is really kind of stereotypical and racist

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 2>for the West. But Bruce Leeve l I or le

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<v Speaker 2>ee or l E or just l E. Well, Bruce

0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 2>l I or Bruce el E. I don't think there

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<v Speaker 2>was ever like Bruce l e I.

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<v Speaker 1>G H.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it ever got that far. But I

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 2>mean they released dozens of Bruce Lee and I just

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<v Speaker 2>made air quote films.

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bruce Lee created the martial arts exploitation genre and subgenre,

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 2>and he inadvertently created the Bruce Lee exploitation subgenre of

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the martial arts exploitation subgenre.

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 1>By dying young, Yeah and being very popular. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>which one was the one he had Kareem Mental Jabbarian

0:41:22.920 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Enter the Dragon. Yeah. Yeah, if you've never seen a

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>like seven foot plus guy to martial arts, you should

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:28.640
<v Speaker 1>check that out.

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 2>And if you can't get enough Bruce Lee and you

0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 2>have a good sense of humor, check out Kentucky Fried

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>movie made by one Jerry's Rucker, who we met in

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles recently and who used an exploitive to me.

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.440
<v Speaker 2>He did it was one of the high points of

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.840
<v Speaker 2>my life, it is. But yeah, Kentucky Fry movie awesome.

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Actually, when we met Jerry Zucker, we told him that

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 1>our little speech we were given that night was one

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 1>of the highlights of our career thus far. And he says, well,

0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't say much about your career, does it? Like

0:41:58.239 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the first thing to do does?

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Something funny and we just like kind of fawned

0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>over the man.

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<v Speaker 1>We should mention briefly and it's in the article, but

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<v Speaker 1>just as a teaser. The late seventies we got Nazi

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 1>exploitation movies, Nazi exploitation as a subgenre, yeah, And one

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 1>of the major players there movie wise was Ilsa she

0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 1>Wolf of the SS.

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which led to Ilsa Siberian Tigris and Ilsa harm

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 2>keeper of the oil sheeks. Really, there's a whole sex

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.840
<v Speaker 2>violence franchise, Dominatrix franchise, that was based out of the

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Nazi exploitation film.

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, one could argue that qt mister Tarantino has

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:41.240
<v Speaker 1>made nothing but exploitation films. Yeah, since pulp fiction, because

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the kill bills were definitely martial arts exploitation. The Jackie

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Brown was a riff on black exploitation. Sure, death Proof

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 1>obviously that was what they were trying to do there.

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Death Proof is Carsploitation, which follows in the tradition of

0:42:56.719 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Vanishing Point, which was released the same year, is basically

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:05.879
<v Speaker 2>it's rival to the the founder, the founding movie of carsploitation,

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Two Lane Black Top, right, which movie. Yeah, if you

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 2>want to start an argument with an exploitation film, buff

0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:15.919
<v Speaker 2>tell him Vanishing Point was the beginning of carsploitation. They'll

0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 2>get mad at you.

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 1>And then finally Tarantina with The Inglorious Bastards, which is

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>clearly a riff on the Nazi exploitation films.

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Beaten nazis the Death of the Baseball Bat.

0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, about as over the top and lurt as it's awesome. Yeah. So,

0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 2>and then Machete. I hated it. But Robert Rodriguez it's terrible.

0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:36.359
<v Speaker 1>And of course he was the other half of the

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Rodriguez was the other half with his Planet Terra of

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 1>the Grindhouse double feature.

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, and.

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>Machete was born from one of the little fake trailers

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 1>they made in that movie.

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that right?

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was one of the fake movie previews.

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 2>It is even as far as like a purposefully B

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 2>movie not good. No, well, Death Proof was okay, but

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't like Planetear that much. Yeah, and then Chuck. Well,

0:43:57.239 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 2>first of all, before we get to today, we also

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.959
<v Speaker 2>have to give a shout out to Porno's Porno came

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.439
<v Speaker 2>out of the exploitation film genre.

0:44:05.440 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 1>And it arguably had a lot to do with killing

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.879
<v Speaker 1>the X or pushing it into the mainstream, because once

0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 1>you had the movie Deep Throat and all of a sudden,

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:18.000
<v Speaker 1>pornography was on the screen, it's like, you can't do

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 1>an exploitation film about it anymore. If there's the real

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>deal going on, it loses all its power. And then

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>a little movie called Jaws came along, and all of

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, a quote unquote B movie style movie made

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>gobs and gobs of money, and that put a little

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>bit of mainstream respectability on the map all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>And so one might argue, Josh that movies like Jaws

0:44:42.040 --> 0:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and Pornography kind of shoved exploitation films even though they

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 1>still exist. They're sort of mainstream movies now.

0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, yeah, I guess another word for grindhouse these

0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 2>days is blockbuster. Jaws was the first blockbuster movie, summer blockbuster,

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>and now you have to have summer blockbusters, and they're

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>always over the top and exploitive of viewers tastes.

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 1>And not only Tarantino, those other filmmakers out that are

0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:10.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to capture that seventies vibe with overt exploitation films again,

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 1>shot that way, shot on thirty five or I'm sorry, yeah,

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 1>sixteen millimeter film, stuff like that.

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:21.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, Chuck, I say, our message to everybody is

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<v Speaker 2>number one, go on to the site, read ten noteworthy

0:45:24.960 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>exploitation films. Number two if that interests you. Like, even

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 2>the ten noteworthy exploitation films they chose don't cover even

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I think a third of the exploitation subgenres. So there'll

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 2>probably be another article forthcoming at some point if there is.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll let you know and then go watch some exploitation

0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:46.759
<v Speaker 2>movies and enjoy them.

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, watch the documentary American Grindhouse too, if you're into that.

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great one. It's free on Hulu. Actually

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 2>there's ads, but Hulu dot com has American Grindhouse for free.

0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:59.879
<v Speaker 2>It is not safe for work now, in no way,

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:01.719
<v Speaker 2>shape or form. I was watching it at work and

0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 2>I was like, WHOA, Okay, really, yeah, if you are

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.439
<v Speaker 2>watching it at work, tab browsing is what you want

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.879
<v Speaker 2>to be doing, right, and keep your your finger over

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 2>the mouse and keep the cursor over the other tab

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<v Speaker 2>right and stay sharp.

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Or in our case, you can just say it's research.

0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:19.800
<v Speaker 1>But you can't do that. If you're an accountant in

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 1>JP Morgan.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just a cicico, a weirdo, that weird guy in accounting.

0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:29.919
<v Speaker 2>So look up ten noteworthy exploitation films. You can type

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<v Speaker 2>that into the handy search bar at HowStuffWorks dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, at long last, it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Joshua's I'm gonna call this It's a small world after all.

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<v Speaker 1>Dear guys, I'm a longtime fan from Minnesota and enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>spreading stuff you should know goodness wherever I go. My

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<v Speaker 1>co workers at a local coffee shop know me for

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<v Speaker 1>the trivia and information I abound in. But if forget

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what that he says he abounds in, I

0:46:56.480 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 1>guess he's proficient in. Okay, did he misuse that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It sounds hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>It does after giving credit where credit is due, which

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<v Speaker 1>Listening to the podcast has also given me an advantage

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<v Speaker 1>on a yearly basis? Abridge stone be goodyear see Lego Bricks.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the answer, John. Most people were surprised and

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<v Speaker 1>pleased to find out it was Lego Bricks, reminding me

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<v Speaker 1>of about the little playsets that their kids enjoy. This

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<v Speaker 1>is where it gets weird. One of the customers read

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<v Speaker 1>the trivia question, looked at me and said, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>And the best Italian accent he could muster. Everyone else

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<v Speaker 1>gave him an odd look. I started laughing. He apologized

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<v Speaker 1>and then say and said he just heard it on

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast. He had just listened to Legos follow up

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<v Speaker 1>by Ponzi Schemes. Long story short, we were both pleased

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<v Speaker 1>now on a first name basis, eager to discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>most recent episodes. So these dudes in Minneapolis.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel, that's awesome, thanks Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>And his friend now his new friend.

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<v Speaker 2>His unnamed friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he didn't name him.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't know him. He made him at camp.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, band camp.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Daniel, that's really awesome. Wow, that's really cool. Let

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<v Speaker 2>us know if you tweet those daily facts for your coffeehouse,

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