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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: This is The Route Tree, broadcasting live on Dallascowboys dot

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Speaker 2: Now your host Drew Pearson.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome to another episode of The Route Tree

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Speaker 4: with your hosts, NFL Hall of Famer and Super Bowl winner.

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Speaker 4: That's me Drew Pearson, the original number eighty eight, and

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Speaker 4: I want you to come with me on the show

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Speaker 4: where legends of the game and rising stars share their journeys,

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Speaker 4: insights and inspiration. Today, we've got a very special guest,

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Speaker 4: one of my favorite teammates, joining us as a man

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Speaker 4: who redefined toughness and consistency on the field blocking that

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Speaker 4: toss thirty six switch.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I don't want to.

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Speaker 4: Ask him how many times he ran that play to

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Speaker 4: get Tony dor Set into the secondary. A Super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 4: of three time Pro Bowler, and one of the most

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Speaker 4: reliable tight ends in Dallas Cowboy's history, none other than

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Speaker 4: number eighty nine. Welcome to the Route Tree, Billy Joe

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Speaker 4: dupre Du Welcome man, Thank you all. Should I say

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Speaker 4: one of the decade plus one boy, that's right right.

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Speaker 4: They don't know what that means, but we're gonna explain that.

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Speaker 4: But welcome to the show, dupe. Thanks for being with us, man.

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Speaker 5: Glad to be here today, man, and see that things

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Speaker 5: are going fairly well for Yeah, it's all.

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Speaker 6: From this stand.

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Speaker 2: How's your health, dude? You're looking good? Man.

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Speaker 6: Well let's see. Let me back into that.

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Speaker 5: I am what they call and your pardon for making

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Speaker 5: this expression, but this is how we have phrased it.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, we're down to pimping weight now, okay?

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Speaker 2: That low?

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Speaker 6: Huh? That low?

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Speaker 2: I hear you, brother, So what is that way? You

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Speaker 2: ain't under two hundred?

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Speaker 6: Not yet? Not yet yet?

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Speaker 2: So what was your last year playing weight forty?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 6: I played below two thirty?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 5: Man, Actually, I think my last season. And that's when

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Speaker 5: they decided to uh to promote Doug, which was about

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Speaker 5: his time to start because of the philosophy from what

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Speaker 5: I understand, with the Cowboys, if they drafted you in

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Speaker 5: the first three rounds, they expected for you started with

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Speaker 5: it about three years right away. Told Doug that going

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Speaker 5: into his third year, and he had to look on it.

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Speaker 5: What are you talking about? My chas is not your

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Speaker 5: chauris I'm just just wanting to say if he needed

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Speaker 5: help and let me know, because it's not my job.

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Speaker 6: I just do it. And they're gonna ask you to

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Speaker 6: do it pretty soon.

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Speaker 2: Amen, you didn't have that great speriod.

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Speaker 4: You know, you got thrown right into the fire because

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Speaker 4: let's go back to your your childhood before we get

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Speaker 4: into that cowboy thing, because you replaced Mike Dicker at

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Speaker 2: He had just retired that year. Became your coach.

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Speaker 4: Right after that, and you're telling him what to do.

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Speaker 4: But before that, Monroe, Louisiana, Monroe, West Monroe. I grew

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Speaker 4: up in the West West one mother, there's a difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The difference is that the Washingtar River separates the East

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Speaker 5: and the West. Oh Okay, instead of calling East Monroe,

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Speaker 5: they just called it Monroe.

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Speaker 4: And I remember we went there when you got inducted

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Speaker 4: into Louisiana Sports Hall Fame, and I was honored to

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Speaker 4: present you and that was pretty cool. But we had

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Speaker 4: to get the correct pronunciation of Monro, not Monroe Monroe.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, how was it growing up in Monroe for you?

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Speaker 5: Actually, looking back on it, there was a situation where

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Speaker 5: it was a single, single family parent, and and we

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Speaker 5: all of us lived with the grandmother and and even

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Speaker 5: and and mom had three four kids, three boys, which

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Speaker 5: is I'm the oldest. One next to me is Norman,

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Speaker 5: and the youngest one is Larry, and my sister Fay Fay.

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Speaker 5: Uh so just uh, just us four and you're the oldest,

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Speaker 5: I'm the second, second is the oldest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so your brothers play ball? Did they play ball?

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Speaker 4: Did they encourage you to play fast? The older one?

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Speaker 4: Who was the other one, not Larry, who's the old Norman?

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Speaker 6: It was next to me, under me, under you yeah.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and no, but you're the oldest, You're you're inspiring.

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Speaker 6: Then I'm the king.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, brother.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, but they they participated in sports slightly man

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Speaker 5: a while. This was actual integration and you didn't have

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Speaker 5: two separate types of schools. And you mentioned that point. Uh.

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Speaker 5: Our school, which is Rigidson Richardson's all black school, was

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Speaker 5: West Monroe's High Stadium.

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Speaker 4: Wow, all black school, all black school, all black team,

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Speaker 4: all black first time ever, the first time.

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Speaker 5: And when they when they can combine the two, West

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Speaker 5: Monroe end up being in the top three in the

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Speaker 4: So they combined them to West Monroe because they were

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Speaker 6: Well, it was well segregation.

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Speaker 5: They had two in the and they only had two

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Speaker 5: high schools there and were small.

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Speaker 6: They had more more people in Michigan State than I did.

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Speaker 2: I hear you, brother, So.

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Speaker 4: That worked out pretty good. Yeah, it worked out good

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Speaker 4: for you. But you played basketball there too, right.

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Speaker 5: Only only played basketball only basketball high high school. Okay,

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Speaker 5: And I got Cohurston to playing football, which was kind

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Speaker 5: of Oh you started out in basketball. I played basketball

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Speaker 5: the sixth for it. Inn Oh man.

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Speaker 6: They got eighth grade and went to Catholic school. Eighth grade.

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Speaker 5: You got all these short people there, and they got

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Speaker 5: the big old tall guys.

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Speaker 2: Who is that.

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Speaker 6: I guess that's me.

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Speaker 4: He said, you're gonna play basketball. Wow, that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, growing up their Cowboys fan growing up so close,

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Speaker 2: I know you ain't putting no bag on your head.

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Speaker 5: As you mentioned that, I got to share this with

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Speaker 5: the never really had an ambition to be in professional sports,

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Speaker 5: keep myself out of trouble because my mom always told me,

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Speaker 6: I made have it, do it, and sports was that

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Speaker 5: Kind of make sure they didn't have any disappointments for

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Speaker 5: playing basketball because we had our little deal. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I understand we from the country country, Okay. Our first

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Speaker 4: Real, Oh my goodness, this is in sixty sixty nine,

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Speaker 4: sixty eight sixty nine. Come on, bro, We had friends,

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Speaker 4: We had glass backboards then we didn't have.

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Speaker 5: That kind of kept me, kept me on the board.

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Speaker 5: And I played basketball up until the time of my

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Speaker 6: It was bigger than I am, and thought that.

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Speaker 5: I was kind of cohersing and moving in on his

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Speaker 5: I'll beat the crap out of you, okay. So and

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Speaker 5: we had these breaks, you know, we always had breaks

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Speaker 5: And this big guy who played football, and it wasn't

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Speaker 5: He walks up here, Hey, what you doing talking to

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Speaker 5: my girlfriend? I said, what she got? She's your girlfriend?

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Speaker 2: And he claimed her and she's got a problem.

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Speaker 6: He said, well, you know you played football. I'll beat

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Speaker 5: So I go get my books a lock and I

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Speaker 5: He said, yeah, you you ain't nothing but a big

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Speaker 5: old woosh. By that time, the coach come by what

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Speaker 5: you guys brought you be in classes? And yeah, so

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Speaker 5: my mom that coach, the coach, I won't think I

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Speaker 5: and how it went? Wow, I put my pads and

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Speaker 5: knee pads on backwards.

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Speaker 2: You didn't watch it on TV or no, never never

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 5: I watched basketball, but football from that stand. And I

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Speaker 2: I know jim n you knew what you knew Where

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Speaker 2: the knee pads were right.

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Speaker 6: Kind of they weren't in, but they were backwards. You

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Speaker 6: know they're supposed to.

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Speaker 5: It worked right, and uh, And we had and we

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Speaker 5: Grambling and the head coach went to Southern, so we picked

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Speaker 5: my equipment and I look at it. I said, okay,

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Speaker 5: and he just gives it to me. I look at this.

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Speaker 5: I said, well, I'm doing shoes, boots and pants and

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Speaker 5: So I put them in backwards and sideways. Shoes were okay.

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Speaker 5: I walked on the field. Couple of singer guys was

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Speaker 5: you you told me, you told me you didn't do this.

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Speaker 5: I see it looks like you never have tell you

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Speaker 5: what you do. You take these knee pads and you

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Speaker 5: turn them over. They cuff your big and you take

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Speaker 5: these thigh pads. Take the big end away from your

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got you to reverse the path and right,

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Speaker 5: I think this was an early early deal. Three or

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Speaker 5: He dog one of these numbers on my arm and

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Speaker 5: And I played defensive end and offensive tackle starting out tackle.

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Speaker 6: Wow? Next year they put me tight They smart.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they saw some potential there. He can get opens.

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Speaker 5: That's why I ended up doing. They went to Michigan

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Speaker 2: The route Tree. All right, welcome back to the route Tree.

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Speaker 4: I'm the original in number eighty eight, coming to you

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Speaker 4: from the Star Cowboys headquarters. You see all this cool

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Speaker 2: Han Duke.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I didn't come up with that name. You know,

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Speaker 4: And along the way, how did that recruiting process go

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Speaker 5: And think I just mentioned to you, you know I

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Speaker 4: But but you made all American in high school and

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Speaker 5: Man, you know, I think, Uh, let me let me

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Speaker 5: the phrase it by by saying this was a little

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Speaker 5: And there was something else that I can't recall. Never

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Speaker 6: I have no idea.

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Speaker 5: I played the game now I think state of it.

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Speaker 5: But I really enjoyed that that that whole process the kid,

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Speaker 6: And he when he mentioned after I made the.

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Speaker 4: how many had you had forty some touchdowns, forty one.

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Speaker 4: up with I think he's all time touchdown leader for

447
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Speaker 4: tight ends. I can't even think of his name. I'm

448
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Speaker 4: in battle, but that's over a hundred touchdown. But that

449
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Speaker 4: was the change in the game from then became more

450
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Speaker 4: of a passing game, and a tight end became more

451
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Speaker 4: prevalent in the passing.

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Speaker 6: The passing game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and but you know Tom was was really been

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Speaker 5: on on rushing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know we had Roger and Rodgers had

457
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Speaker 5: a great arm man. Oh man, he can bring it,

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Speaker 5: huh you know, and then mentioned that. The guy mentioned

459
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Speaker 5: that to me one day and he said, you want

460
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Speaker 5: Roger Slovak was your quarterback?

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Speaker 6: I said, yeah.

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Speaker 5: He said, I knew Roger when he was a Navy

463
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Speaker 5: He was a baseball player then, and he and he

464
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Speaker 5: could throw a he played center field and he could

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Speaker 5: throw from center field with one bounce to the police

466
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Speaker 5: at I said, oh, he had one heck of an arm.

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Speaker 5: Then he said, yeah, well, I guess it's privlectly because

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Speaker 5: he's showed the same type of stamina as a as

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Speaker 5: a quarterback for the NFL. Well, that was a blessing

470
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Speaker 5: because with him throwing the ball as hard as he

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Speaker 5: did and with the accuracy, he gave us a chance

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Speaker 5: to catch that ball right and get braced for the

473
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Speaker 5: contact you know is gonna come.

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Speaker 2: And that made a difference.

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Speaker 5: And you know, one of the other things that you

476
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Speaker 5: mentioned that came to mind is that they don't the

477
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Speaker 5: receivers these days don't have that thought process of a

478
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Speaker 5: if I've gone past that line of scrimmage, let me

479
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Speaker 5: take a few steps back and create some space between

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Speaker 5: me and that defender and always come back to the ball. Therefore,

481
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Speaker 5: when we get an interception, he'll have to come through

482
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Speaker 5: you every time to get to get the interception or

483
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Speaker 5: knock the ball down. But that's not probably and it's

484
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Speaker 5: more passing. And I guess you could gave air Coryell for.

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Speaker 2: For opening it up.

486
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Speaker 6: Opening it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that guy named Antonio Gates. Yeah, it

488
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Speaker 2: just came to me.

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Speaker 4: Don't tell him, I said, because I'll see him in

490
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Speaker 4: August at the Hall you didn't remember my name, Come on, man,

491
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Speaker 4: but Antonio Gates. But he ended over one hundred tds.

492
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Speaker 4: But before the first guy that got one hundred touchdowns

493
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Speaker 4: as a tight end was Gronkowski Frankowski. You know, we're

494
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Speaker 4: playing with Brady and all that. You would think that

495
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Speaker 4: the Jason Wooden would have had an opportunity. Jason had

496
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Speaker 4: seventy four.

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Speaker 6: Seventy four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot right there.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know he put in sixteen years.

500
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true. He's going to have Yeah, that happened.

501
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Speaker 4: He's going to accumulate more. The numbers going to look

502
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Speaker 4: different because of the longevity.

503
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think you're saying, and at the compliment Jason,

504
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Speaker 5: he had one heck of a career and took the

505
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Speaker 5: took advantage of the situation that that was presented to

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Speaker 5: it and did well.

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Speaker 2: Let it, here's the deal.

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Speaker 4: We have No, we had no tight ends in the

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Speaker 4: Ring of Honor due Nope, not you nope.

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Speaker 2: But not nova check not yet not.

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Speaker 4: He might be the first because he's one of Jerry's guys.

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Speaker 6: Jason probably end up being the first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, witting witting man and uh probably yeah.

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Speaker 5: And Jason ended up being the first from that standpoint. Yeah, right,

515
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Speaker 5: and so time and then and if you think about that, dude,

516
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Speaker 5: not really. Yeah, that doesn't seem like your personality ever had.

517
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Speaker 5: But it's like that things we got a campaign for.

518
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Speaker 5: And yeah, in astance, Uh, I don't mind the campaign,

519
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Speaker 5: but I've spent about five six years around political campaigns

520
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Speaker 5: and presidents and yeah and senators and place places like that.

521
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Speaker 5: So campaign aspect of just kept I got burned out.

522
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Speaker 2: That wasn't your style now.

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Speaker 5: And uh, the kind of took a bit, took recognition

524
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525
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Speaker 5: So I just had to say, we're gonna do this

526
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Speaker 5: too hardly.

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Speaker 4: Right on, let's talk about when you got drafted. We'll

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Speaker 4: do that's when the route tree continues. But let's talk

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Speaker 4: about that day you got drafted by the Cowboys, and

530
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Speaker 4: then coming in at the number one draft pick, and

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Speaker 4: then starting from day one, day one, and then your

532
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Speaker 4: eleven year career started every game from there. I mean,

533
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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe the longevity and the consistency you brought

534
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Speaker 2: Back back to the route tree all right, welcome back

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Speaker 4: I'm Drew Pearson with my man number eighty nine, eighty eight,

588
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Speaker 4: you know in the house, that's how we rolled. And

589
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Speaker 4: when when eighty eight and eighty nine came out that

590
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Speaker 4: huddle and lined up on the same side, Oh boy,

591
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Speaker 4: they didn't know what to expect, right, I have some trouble there.

592
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Speaker 4: They didn't know what to expect. And then coach Landry

593
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Speaker 4: kind of knew how to use us. You know, you're

594
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Speaker 4: your your touchdowns forty one came mostly. But before we

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Speaker 4: let's get in that, before we get in that draft day.

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Speaker 4: All right, you get drafted by the Dallas Cowboy. You're

597
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Speaker 4: in Monroe and you know, you get drafted by the Cowboys.

598
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Speaker 4: What was that experience like for you?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know that was number one, number one.

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Speaker 5: That was my last year in college and I was

601
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Speaker 5: still up in Michigan State and been married a year

602
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Speaker 5: now since then. And then uh, I'm up so well.

603
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Speaker 5: Draft came around and most of the guys I played

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Speaker 5: with except maybe maybe one, and that was Joe d

605
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Speaker 5: Joe Dilomlier kind of hung around and hung around at

606
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Speaker 5: the dorm in their room, waiting waiting for the calls,

607
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Speaker 5: but I said, I don't have any control over there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And if they called and they call, well they had

610
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Speaker 5: been to the call and uh. And I was just

611
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Speaker 5: getting back to the house from class. In the classroom,

612
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Speaker 5: Mafe said, today this guy Gail Brant called. He said,

613
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Speaker 5: he's called back. Okay, so he called back at the

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Speaker 5: house about the fifteen twenty minutes he called, I can

615
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Speaker 5: answer the phone. He said it's a guy Gil Brent.

616
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Speaker 5: So I go and said hello. First thing out of

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Speaker 5: Gil's mouth, aren't you excited? We just drafted you in.

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Speaker 6: The first round. My comment to him was, who are

619
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Speaker 6: you really? Gil Brent? With the dollars count?

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Speaker 2: Was a hoax?

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Speaker 5: We drafted you the first round. Today, I just called

622
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Speaker 5: to see when you're gonna be able to come down

623
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Speaker 5: to visit with us. I said, okay, here's my agent's number,

624
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Speaker 5: give him a call and we'll get us right now.

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Speaker 2: You to go halleluja.

626
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Speaker 4: Ain't man and all that the whole neighborhood didn't hear

627
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Speaker 4: you yelling or nothing like that.

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Speaker 5: Because that was he The deal hadn't hadn't been done,

629
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Speaker 5: it suggested, but it hadn't been done.

630
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Speaker 6: So I figured, well, they're interested.

631
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Speaker 5: Well, now I can probably support the family now, So yeah,

632
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Speaker 5: I'll take it.

633
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Speaker 2: You held out a little though, didn't you do?

634
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Speaker 6: Initially?

635
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it wasn't that long, not long because we

636
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Speaker 5: had no lever, we had no vines.

637
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Speaker 6: Were more hours than it was, I hear you.

638
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Speaker 4: But it was necessary that we drafted tight end because uh,

639
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Speaker 4: Mike Dicker was the tight end. He just came in,

640
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: played a couple of years of the Cowboys, and now

641
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: UH coach Landry knew that his time was up, offered

642
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Speaker 4: him the coaching job, the right receiver coach, and he

643
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Speaker 4: took over. And now you're replacing a legend, a future

644
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Speaker 4: Hall of Famer in Mike Dicker.

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Speaker 5: Pressure, well, after I thought about it, initially, none, because

646
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Speaker 5: it wasn't really totally familiar with Mike. Yeah, uh Man knew,

647
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Speaker 5: knew his name, and knew he played with buckets and

648
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Speaker 5: that that was a distinction the Bears Bears that I

649
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Speaker 5: had with with Mike, but being an avid football fan

650
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Speaker 5: already that didn't know a whole lot about Mike. But

651
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Speaker 5: I got a chance to get acquainted with Mike, and

652
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Speaker 5: I think we had a pretty decent understanding of who's

653
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Speaker 5: who and what was and how things supposed to go,

654
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Speaker 5: and I was, I got to give you this white

655
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Speaker 5: episode and uh uh that kind of stags out. We're

656
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Speaker 5: playing New York and before we play the game, I

657
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Speaker 5: asked the question why Thomas had in the meeting. I said,

658
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Speaker 5: what if, don't worry about that, He'll never do that.

659
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Speaker 5: I said, what if the guy plays down home and

660
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Speaker 5: instead of coming out to him and goes down to

661
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Speaker 5: the quarterback. Now, don't worry, He'll never do that. So

662
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Speaker 5: my position was not to cut him off, but just

663
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Speaker 5: to step in it between him the team middle part

664
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Speaker 5: of him and kind of moving play calls. The guy

665
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Speaker 5: went so far inside he almost was shaking hands with Roger.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 5: But I finally got him. Man, you know you got

668
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Speaker 5: him close quarters, but you and I he roughly, he

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Speaker 5: didn't see I clipped him, but I couldn't let him

670
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 5: hit Roger. So Roger, uh and when he when he

671
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 5: made that that move, I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: Well, how do we go? We're gonna do So what.

673
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: I did was just decided to block m b lock

674
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 5: the guy moving to the side instead of moving up

675
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 5: up field and and uh Dick Mike comes out at

676
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 5: the end of the play, waving his clipboard.

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00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: How you do it?

678
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 5: And I said, wait, Mike, bleepingly bleep, and let me

679
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 5: tell you one thing now. If you don't like what

680
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 5: I'm doing here, because I was really kind of been

681
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 5: always kind of crazy like that. You don't like what

682
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 5: I'm doing, you can put this uniform on yourself. You

683
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: get one of these other crazy persons over there to

684
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: do it, but you leave.

685
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: And leave me the f alone, right right right, look

686
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 4: on or give you a coaching point, you know, criticized.

687
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 6: I had to look on this place you're talking to me,

688
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 6: so we gotta.

689
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 4: Get you had it out with him, but that probably

690
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 4: cleared the air a little bit between you and him,

691
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 4: Yeah it did.

692
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Speaker 5: And then then they give you an example of in

693
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Speaker 5: one year, Uh he decided the game, he decided to

694
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 5: start fufit, but never nobody told me man, nobody told

695
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 5: me form the practice, and nobody told me all week

696
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 5: and uh so this and I kind of came to

697
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 5: came't brought it to the head on Wednesday as ask

698
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 5: we out there fighting blah blah blah, this that and

699
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Speaker 5: the other. Okay, and uh then we and Mike said, well,

700
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 5: don't worry about this. Well may I don't. I'm not

701
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 5: worried about it. My only concern is nobody ever told me.

702
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 13: So.

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00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 5: I compare myself to do what I need to do

704
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 5: for Sunday. That's my only concern. I don't care who

705
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 5: played and what.

706
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: Else can I do to get on the field.

707
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's not my job. I just do it. So

708
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 6: Mike said, oh, okay, that deal.

709
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 5: And and then and uh we go to the game

710
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 5: and we're out there warmed up. He come to him again.

711
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 5: He said he don't worry about this, He'll be back

712
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 5: and starting next game. Nice, okay, fine, no problem. Were

713
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: ready to go. Let's go, Let's go, let's play. Because

714
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 5: I'm not. I don't need to be concerned with this.

715
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 5: I need to be concerned about the game. Yeah, what

716
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: you gotta do?

717
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, so what I gotta do. So things worked out

718
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 6: really well from this.

719
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, Mike was a pretty fiery guy

720
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 4: was you know, even during the game he's yelling that

721
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 4: member of that safety from the Cardinals, Kenny Reeves.

722
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: You know, they had it going back.

723
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 6: And forth and Kenny Kenny Reeves and now Kenny Kenny.

724
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: Houston Houston with the Redskins. Yes, between them.

725
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: I used to say, Mike, shut up making them mad.

726
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 4: You know, you're making it tougher for us.

727
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 5: What Houston told them Monday, Kenny, Mike, what you talking about?

728
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 6: I used to do the same stuff.

729
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 2: You gonna tell your coach over there, come on out here.

730
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Mike was you know, this was his first

731
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 4: year as a coach and chewing that dump. You know,

732
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: he used to he couldn't control himself on game day,

733
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 4: you know, and just couldn't. He's still dealing with withdrawals.

734
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 2: But anyway, he was.

735
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: He was a good coach, uh and turned out to

736
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 4: be a pretty good head coach from the Landry School.

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Speaker 2: You know, I had a lot of coaches a lot

738
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Speaker 2: of respect for Mike.

739
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Speaker 5: And yeah, even though I didn't show her to show

740
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 5: it on a regular basis, but I did a lot

741
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Speaker 5: of respect just for the experience that he's going through

742
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Speaker 5: and getting to know where he came from and what

743
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 5: he did.

744
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a remarkable individual.

745
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

746
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 4: So you you with the Cowboys and the number eighty nine.

747
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: Was that something you wanted or is that something they

748
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 4: gave you?

749
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Just foot number you wear in high school? One eighty eight,

751
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: eighty eight, your original eighty eight. Right, yeah, then when

752
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: I so thanks for leaving it there for me.

753
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: Well more eighty nine when they put me at tight end,

754
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 5: So just spend one year wearing eighty nine. So that

755
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 5: carried me from high school, from our senior year all

756
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: the way through the NFL.

757
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, right on, Well, let's before we get into your

758
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 4: NFL career, because we're really covering.

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00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: A lot of stuff.

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00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: The life and times Billy Joe Dupree continues right after

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Speaker 4: this on the route tree.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back hood U.

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Speaker 1: Every day begins with a promise, a promise to work

764
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Speaker 1: hard and to build a future. That's why we're here

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Speaker 1: providing the tools, expertise and John Deere equipment you have

766
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Speaker 1: relied on for generations to help you get the job

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Speaker 1: done right.

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Speaker 6: We're with you.

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Speaker 1: That's our promise to you because no matter the project

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Speaker 1: or the challenge you're facing.

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Speaker 2: Where were you?

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Speaker 2: How's it going. You see that Cowboys game?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

785
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: I watched.

786
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Speaker 10: I've been seeing some good thanks totally. They have some talent.

787
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 10: You have some great talent.

788
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Speaker 3: And they got some fight. Hoping this is the year

789
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Speaker 3: me too. Oh, I'm Cody. By the way, I'm Travis.

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Speaker 2: Nice to meet you. Travis. Go Cowboys Go.

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Speaker 14: and I.

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Speaker 7: Can't believe we're staging a comeback.

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Speaker 2: To the route tree.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to the route tree, coming to

810
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Speaker 4: you from the Star.

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys headquarters.

812
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 4: Pretty cool over here, nothing like we had right back

813
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 4: in the day Dupo over there on Forestlane, the old

814
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 4: Cowboy practice field.

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00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: All about that grass, Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness.

816
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: But we never complained.

817
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: We just did our thing there and then, you know,

818
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 4: maybe we thought that was what it took to be

819
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 4: in an environment like that to win, because we did win.

820
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Speaker 2: Okay.

821
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: You know we played you and I both in Harvey

822
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: seven championship game, this game coming up this weekend, the

823
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Speaker 4: Divisional championship game.

824
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: We played in seven of.

825
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Speaker 4: Them, yeah, seven seven, and went to three Super and

826
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: three Super Bowl And that's eleven year career, year career.

827
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Speaker 4: And we made the playoffs every year. The only year

828
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 4: we didn't make the playoffs seventy four strike we finished

829
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: eight and six. We never had a losing season. You know,

830
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Speaker 4: I pride myself on that.

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Speaker 5: You as well, Yeah, well Gi Gil always made that

832
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 5: a part of market. Well you're gonna make the playoffs anyway.

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00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, that money, Yeah, you count that into your salary. Yeah, yeah,

834
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, we had a lot of success and a

835
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 4: lot of it. We had great coaching and all that

836
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 4: in this great system, especially on offense and then the

837
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 4: splex defense. But we had players, and you mentioned Gil Brandt.

838
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: Gil Brandt knew exactly the players the talent he needed

839
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 4: go get for coach Landry for his offense and defense.

840
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Speaker 2: And that's the way he went and got.

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00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's a great part about the system that

842
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 5: that we we were in into because each individual had

843
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 5: their own little domain and didn't cross the lines into

844
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 5: the other. Tom Coaster the team. Text manage the team. Tom,

845
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 5: you don't.

846
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 6: Tell texts who to pay.

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00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 5: Text, you don't tell Tom who to play. Now, got

848
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 5: your own, man, That's the way. That's the way it

849
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 5: end up end up working out. Every now and then

850
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Speaker 5: Tom would kind of intervening with the text, but Text

851
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 5: never intervened with him.

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00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: No, no, no, they let they let him Tom and

853
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 4: Tom they texted, he paid this guy, need him.

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00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah and uh textas a Hall of Famer, Gills a

856
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, but Tom Landry was the man, okay

857
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: that made them hall of famers.

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Speaker 2: He made them hall of famers.

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Speaker 5: Let me mention this to you because I think this be

860
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 5: certificate for most people who didn't quite understand. Or one

861
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 5: meeting we had and and some controversy came up, Tom said,

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00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 5: there's nobody in this room bigger than the NFL. And

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00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 5: then he said, and on top of that, there's nobody

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Speaker 5: in this room bigger than me.

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Speaker 7: Oh wow.

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Speaker 5: And he was right, and the buck stopped there. Yep,

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Speaker 5: from that standpoint.

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Speaker 4: And you need to please anybody, it's him, that's right.

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Speaker 4: My position coach I don't even remember well, Dick. And

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Speaker 4: then when I when I was coaching, it was, uh

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00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: there no Dick. Dick Nolan and he's a former NFL

872
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: coach and he was scared of Coach Landry. We were

873
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 4: all walking around our eggshells around Coach Landry. You know,

874
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: we remember we getting that team meeting and the buzzes

875
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 4: going on, and first Jim Myers would walk in and

876
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 4: we knew coach Lande was coming right yea, and the silence.

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00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 5: Was yeah, you could hear pan, you hear a pitting drive.

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Speaker 2: But duke you.

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Speaker 4: Throughout your whole career, you were very interesting because you're

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00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 4: one of the first brothers I ever knew that played golf,

881
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 4: and you like to go hit the ball on your

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00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 4: off day on Tuesday and go out and play a

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Speaker 4: little bit.

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Speaker 2: And even on weekdays.

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Speaker 4: We used to have a meeting at ten to eleven,

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00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: then we have that break till one o'clock. You used

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Speaker 4: to leave town to go downtown right to the city Hall.

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Speaker 4: You would do I said, dude, we only got the

889
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 4: reskins this week. Couldn't you like to pay attention over here?

890
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 4: And you're leaving the meeting, going downtown to meet and

891
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 4: you're all decked out, and you come back and you

892
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 4: practice like nothing was going on.

893
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 6: Well, that's why I started that little construction company. They

894
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 6: end up doing for about four or five years.

895
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

896
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 5: But I soon to find out that there are a

897
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 5: few people you just hit sit and let them do stuff, yeah,

898
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 5: because it's going to always be backwards and wrong. So

899
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 5: I end up having that experience and disclose the whole

900
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 5: thing down. And you can't do that.

901
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: I can't do it right.

902
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 5: My money, why I can't do it right? And if

903
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 5: I'm throwing it away, I'm throwing it away. And obviously

904
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 5: I'm not concerned with it. Yeah, so, but I am

905
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 5: concerned about this situation. And this is going to see

906
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 5: sticks this.

907
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: I hear.

908
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 6: We don't have a gig, but I do. I ain't.

909
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: Men, brother, Hey, you remember the first time you took

910
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 4: me out was it was an off day. We went

911
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: to hit some balls in the off of Central Expressway

912
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 4: and the driving range there. We're hitting for a while

913
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 4: and all that, having fun. I think they were serving

914
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 4: some drinks and all that. Man, I looked at my hands.

915
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 4: I had blisters all over it here, all over it.

916
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 4: I play all this football. I never had a blister

917
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 4: on my hand. One afternoon golf and you know what,

918
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: due that's the last time I played.

919
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: Golf until I retire.

920
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 5: You remember that, because the golf game is a little strange.

921
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 5: I and the reason I took it up was that

922
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 5: I just cadded when I was a kid. Yeah, so

923
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 5: I was familiar with the game and how it was played.

924
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 5: And then one year, Springball thought I did something different.

925
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 5: That must of my second year because I hadn't been

926
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 5: to the meetings. They have dinners and stuff. After the

927
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 5: deal didn't give out the I said, WHOA, Okay, I

928
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 5: get a chance to get a good meal tonight. We

929
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: have to dealff. He calls me out. He's ability of

930
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: the prey. Come on up here. I said, well, okay,

931
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 5: let me go and see what's going on. He said,

932
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: for the most improved player, I said, most improved. Well,

933
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 5: I was rich shirted last year. Well, right, So when

934
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 5: he basically on training camp, he said, well, this is

935
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 5: your choice. We can give you a blue blazer jacket

936
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 5: or starter set of Northwestern Golf Clubs took.

937
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 6: The golf course.

938
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: And the rest is history, as they said, because we

939
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 4: already picked up golf from there.

940
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had our own course on campus right on.

941
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 4: But you know that that was something they tried to,

942
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 4: uh not force on us, but get us interested in.

943
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 4: Because we knew the money we weren't going to make

944
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 4: playing football is on me be enough to live off.

945
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: We knew we had to cultivate some relationships outside the

946
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 4: locker room, and golf was one way to do that, right, Yeah,

947
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: there was.

948
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 5: There was more of a marketing tool than yeah, and

949
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: I discovered after I started playing that he got more

950
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: people out there talking business than they are playing golf.

951
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 6: Golf was just one of those little things that has.

952
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 5: Happened to be to help smooth things over and kind

953
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 5: of settle things down before we started talking about this,

954
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 5: that and the other in our business code. So that's

955
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 5: what the reason was. The social sydeal. On top of that,

956
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 5: it was something that golf is a game that you

957
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 5: can play well and to shoot eighties the nineties says

958
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 5: all you can then stayed up and swing a club.

959
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 6: They got a tea box for.

960
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: You, and they got golf carts. They carry you around.

961
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: You make it to the next hole. That's right right on.

962
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 4: Hey, dude, you know, before we wrap this thing up,

963
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 4: we got to talk about what you did in your

964
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 4: life after football working for the City of Dallas. I

965
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 4: don't think anybody realizes that. Then you work for a

966
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 4: number of years there. We want to know what you

967
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: did there and how you got involved with that. And

968
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 4: the route three will continue and we'll follow Billy Joe

969
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 4: Dupree in his life after football.

970
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: Right after this hood U.

971
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: Every day begins with a promise, a promise to work

972
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: hard and to build a future. That's why we're here

973
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: providing the tools, expertise and John Deere equipment you have

974
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: relied on for generations to help you get the job

975
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: done right.

976
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 4: We're with you.

977
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: That's our promise to you, because no matter of the

978
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: project or the challenge you're facing, where with you?

979
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,719
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980
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981
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982
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983
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984
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985
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986
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Speaker 2: How's it going? You see that Cowboys game?

991
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: Oh?

992
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 6: I watched.

993
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 10: I've been seeing some good things totally. They have some talent,

994
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 10: you have some great talent, and they got some fight.

995
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 3: Hoping this is the year me too. Oh, I'm Cody.

996
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: By the way, I'm Travis.

997
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you. Travis. Go Cowboys Go. Cowboys make a.

998
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1000
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1003
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 13: with your bff while taking buster to the it.

1004
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 14: Hey, yeah, I can't believiate the whole thing of chicken.

1005
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 7: Wings, and I can't believe we're staging a comeback.

1006
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,040
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1013
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Speaker 2: To the route tree. Welcome back to the way.

1014
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 4: I'm all cowboyed up today, and you know I know

1015
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 4: what to wear and I come to the Cowboy headquarters. Okay,

1016
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 4: I got this on. I got this, I got all

1017
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 4: my jewelry. Ar you got your ring on?

1018
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: Dupe.

1019
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 4: I see it, I see it. I wear mine all

1020
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 4: the time. I don't know about your.

1021
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 5: Well, since I when I first got it, I lost it,

1022
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 5: so I don't wear it very often.

1023
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 6: You lost it on the golf course.

1024
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 2: Would you had it in your You can't tee off

1025
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: with your ring on?

1026
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 6: Well, play had to take it off.

1027
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 5: Play it in the golf tournament that Charlie Prior was

1028
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 5: hosting up in New Mexico. I distinkly remember taking the

1029
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 5: ring off and putting it in my bag. So when

1030
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 5: I finished playing as well, ring vers in the bag.

1031
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 5: About two or three weeks later, I get a call

1032
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 5: vorismail and vorstmail today. Uh I was just calling to

1033
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 5: let you know I have your ring. WHOA, I'm thinking,

1034
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 5: this is my golf bag. Guy in Mexico found the

1035
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 5: ring and I called him and he said, well, well,

1036
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 5: how do you find it? She said, well, you know,

1037
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 5: I live on the golf course and I'm walking out

1038
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 5: of my backyard there close to where the fairway is

1039
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 5: starts and stepped on something that felt like a big.

1040
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 6: Rock and it was your ring.

1041
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 5: Oh, my goodness. Well, I'll be in the city. Uh,

1042
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 5: I'll be in the city and uh in a couple

1043
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 5: of weeks. No, but I'll tell you what. I'll melt

1044
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 5: it to you. So he sent it back to me. Wow,

1045
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 5: wow and uh. Eventually later on, when I went to

1046
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 5: work for the city, saw the same guy without knowing it,

1047
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 5: in a restaurant waiting for her to talk to one

1048
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 5: of these people that want to do work with the city.

1049
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 5: And he's getting ready to leave. Walk to the table.

1050
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 5: You don't remember me, do you?

1051
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 6: I said?

1052
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 15: Well?

1053
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 6: He said, I'm the guy that found your ring?

1054
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: Wow?

1055
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 6: I said, oh, small world.

1056
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: Hey is that right this first time?

1057
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1058
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, small world.

1059
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 5: And they built Texas Stadium. Worming around there and trying

1060
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 5: to find my way to go look up and see

1061
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 5: your guy said hey, sir, cause you tell me which

1062
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 5: way is this? He said, you don't remember me, do you?

1063
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 5: I said no, He said, I'm the guy that found

1064
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 5: your ring.

1065
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: Isn't that a trip me?

1066
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 5: From that point he was working with the Cowboys as

1067
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 5: Texas in the stadium as one of the folks that

1068
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 5: kind of pushing them in some direction right on.

1069
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 4: But your thing coming through was construction, you know, I mean,

1070
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: as you get involved in that.

1071
00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: Dude, Well, I was either the military was the deal.

1072
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 5: I wanted to fly and be a civil engineer, So

1073
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 5: the civil engineer was the curriculum I wanted to get into.

1074
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 5: But nobody, nobody would ever, counsel was never put me

1075
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 5: in that direction, give me preliminary stuff. So I end

1076
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 5: up finding the course one day by going around in

1077
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 5: one of my fraternity brothers with his girlfriend, visiting his

1078
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 5: girlfriend and up on the bulletim bore where she worked

1079
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 5: was curriculum building construction was in the Colleague of Agriculture

1080
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 5: and the School of Packaging.

1081
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 4: WHOA, That's why I'm serious, That's why I couldn't find it.

1082
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 5: They hit it back there. So that's what I was,

1083
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 5: what had doing build construction management.

1084
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 4: And that's how you got involved with the City of Dallas, right,

1085
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 4: you had some projects going on there.

1086
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 6: Actually with when I got involved with Ron Kirk.

1087
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: Wouldn't marry then or somebody before then?

1088
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 5: It was before Ron, Yeah, because at the time Laura

1089
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 5: Miller and uh and then and I can't recall it

1090
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 5: was before Laura Miller at the time, but that was

1091
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 5: the deal, and that that whole situation was well I

1092
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 5: enjoyed what I was doing, and I got.

1093
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 6: To do it.

1094
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 2: How long did you do it? Dude?

1095
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 6: About eleven? Almost about the same like as the time

1096
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 6: I played Really Wow.

1097
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: So you're clicking a pension from them.

1098
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 5: Too, Hey man, that's your brother.

1099
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 6: If they got one available, I'm getting you getting it.

1100
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 6: I hear you, brother.

1101
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 5: So I've worked there for that length of time and

1102
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 5: there was a deal and they got to do the

1103
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 5: job so well. They decided I needed to be out

1104
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 5: of there because they couldn't control my thought process and

1105
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 5: what I did, because I always told them, listen, I'm

1106
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 5: not signing off on anything I didn't create.

1107
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 2: Oh, right on, right on.

1108
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 5: You wrote it, you s and you make the presentation.

1109
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 5: You're not gonna throw me into.

1110
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: The and if it ain't right, it's on you, not you.

1111
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 6: I take care of my almost.

1112
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: Here.

1113
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: You're very seldom made mistakes on that toss thirty six,

1114
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 4: thirty seven switch to you.

1115
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 5: Remember that play, man, I love it. Then it was

1116
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 5: either house or TV coming around, coming around. We had

1117
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 5: to open the door for him.

1118
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 4: You had to cave that line and that defensive end

1119
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 4: Howie Long and young Blood remember Jack young Blood in

1120
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 4: them guys, you had to crack down on them.

1121
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 6: I see Jack ever often.

1122
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh.

1123
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 6: Jack.

1124
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 4: Well, the thing about that, dude, you know when we

1125
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: were coming through, you played against the same guys over

1126
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 4: and especially in the division. Yeah, you know, you had

1127
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 4: battles going on with the same guys at least twice

1128
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 4: a year, so.

1129
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 5: You got a chance to know to know it, and

1130
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 5: they knew you took they knew each other a little

1131
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 5: bit better, and you had to event something different just

1132
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 5: to kind of stay stay in the mix.

1133
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you did that alright, dupe.

1134
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 4: In your life after football, you okay, you look you

1135
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 4: look healthy. Any issues physically? How many fingers I got up?

1136
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 6: That's why?

1137
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 2: That's close enough?

1138
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 6: Close enough?

1139
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: Five?

1140
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 4: But I live by this philosophas. I don't have any

1141
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 4: bad days. I just hey man, I just have a

1142
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: better days. You've always been like that, hunh, Dude.

1143
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 5: You know there's things that I can't control and they

1144
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 5: have no influence on them. They don't do anything but

1145
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 5: create problems for you. I don't worry about those things.

1146
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: Well, before we wrap it up, let's talk about that

1147
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 4: decade plus one boys. All right, Me, you and Harvey,

1148
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 4: we all came in the league together. You were the

1149
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 4: number one pick. Harvey was third round draft boys, and

1150
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 4: here comes those skinny leg Drew a free agent. And

1151
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: the thing is we all made the team. Golden Richards

1152
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 4: was a draft he was third round as well. And

1153
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: Bruce Waltton remember Bruce god rest his soul, Bill Walton's

1154
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 4: brother offensive tackles. He was like fourth round. I remember

1155
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 4: a guy named from Hawaii, Jim Nicholson. Yeah, amen, but anyway,

1156
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 4: gym No, it was a Conley Mike.

1157
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: Finally, Jim was in Misigan statement.

1158
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 4: Yes, but anyway, it's kind of cool how we came

1159
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 4: in together, you know, and you already had eighty nine.

1160
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 4: All right, So me making a team, I had to

1161
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 4: have a number in the eighties because that was the

1162
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 4: first year the NFL made the new wide receivers come

1163
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 4: in wearing numbers in the eighties. My college number was three,

1164
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 4: My high school number was fifteen. I didn't know what

1165
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 4: the heck added up. It was eighteen, okay, But anyway,

1166
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 4: you had to have eighty nine.

1167
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: Was gone.

1168
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 4: Fugat had eighty four. Was Billy Truex there? Then he

1169
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 4: had eighty seven? Right, Golden he had seniority or priority.

1170
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 4: He took eighty three it wasn't much left. The Otto

1171
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 4: Stowe was there. Yeah, two he had eighty two. Marv

1172
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 4: Bateman the punter, remember he had eighty one. Yeah, so

1173
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 4: eighty seven, no, TRUEX had that. Eighty eight was not

1174
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 4: the only thing available.

1175
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good thing to get it, man. It

1176
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 5: original lady eight. And where you sentate presidents for those guys.

1177
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 4: You eighty nine, Me eighty eight, and Harvey seventy nine,

1178
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 4: And we came in together and were retired at the

1179
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 4: same time. But the three of us retired for different reasons.

1180
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 4: You know, I had the car accident that forced my

1181
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 4: retirement after my eleventh season. Harvey, you know, they're pressuring him.

1182
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 4: You know, all these tests they wanted Harvey to take,

1183
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 4: and Harvey just got tired of it and walked away

1184
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 4: from it. He had a job opportunity with John Niley,

1185
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 4: the cement company and the sales and all that. So

1186
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 4: Harvey said, heck with this, I'm leaving. And then you

1187
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 4: you know, you just walked away. You had the city

1188
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 4: Hall thing and you said, hey, I'm ready, Well it's

1189
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 4: your time.

1190
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 5: I had had to make that the presentation of Tom

1191
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 5: and and as I recalled that year that I retired

1192
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 5: that season. We end up playing our last game down

1193
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 5: in Houston because it was so cold like it is

1194
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 5: right now here and and Dallas area that standpoint, but

1195
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 5: that last that was the last game that we end

1196
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 5: up having to deal with. I can't think of don't

1197
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 5: want to mention any circle field, but it was the

1198
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 5: last year that we'd kind of to the realization that A,

1199
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 5: and you can't do this for ever son.

1200
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, we wish we could, wish we could. But here's

1201
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 4: the deal coming through with coach Landry. You know, he

1202
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 4: taught us how to be a good football player and

1203
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 4: all that, coached us up, but he's at the same

1204
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 4: time he's teaching us business acumen. The way he ran

1205
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 4: the team, setting goals, ways, means and methods to reach

1206
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 4: those goals. And it was almost it's like a business

1207
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 4: lesson going into those meetings every day because he had,

1208
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: because he taught that way, he had to be prepared.

1209
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: And he was smart himself.

1210
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 4: You know, he was an engineer and yeah, and he

1211
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 4: was like smart enough to prepare us for life after football.

1212
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: And the way he coached and.

1213
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 5: Being a bomber pilot at that made a distinct difference

1214
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 5: in his personality and having been a bomber potted and

1215
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 5: actually literally achieved.

1216
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: Death and many times.

1217
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 5: And I think that's when he decided that, well, there's

1218
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 5: a guy someplace, because boys, we should have been taken out.

1219
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 5: They had the belly land the bomber after making a

1220
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 5: mission and a grove of trees, taking off both the

1221
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 5: wings and then coming to a stop.

1222
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 6: Amen, and everybody walked out.

1223
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 5: What a man, What a man?

1224
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 6: You know?

1225
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 5: And I read that one day in one of the

1226
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 5: magazines that they get Away and it couldn't believe it.

1227
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 5: And I almost missed the started the game. Is that

1228
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 5: reading that he got into it?

1229
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, think about this.

1230
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 4: Chuck Alley had the uniform company, Leroy Jordan, the lumber company,

1231
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 4: Roger real estate. You know, when I retired, I'm selling

1232
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 4: baseball caps, you know, through Pearson Marketing. Where did that

1233
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 4: come from?

1234
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 10: You know?

1235
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: And you were in the construction business and.

1236
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 4: All that, you know, but a lot of that business

1237
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 4: acumen we learned. But sitting in those meetings for eleven Sea,

1238
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 4: let we can learn a lot about the ex'es and

1239
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 4: o's and strategies of the game. But at the same time,

1240
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 4: coach Landry was preparing us for life after football.

1241
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: The way he.

1242
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 4: Ran the meetings and ran the team and all that

1243
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 4: kind going to games, suit and tie, right, jim back,

1244
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 4: not jim bags, briefcases.

1245
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: Remember the computer print out? How big that was.

1246
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 4: We had to carry that thing everywhere to every meeting,

1247
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 4: to breakfast.

1248
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: You had to carry that computer print out. Oh man.

1249
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 4: But it was the little things. Coach Landry said, if

1250
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 4: you can't do the little things, how you expect to

1251
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 4: do the biggest things? About paying attention to detail, right,

1252
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: That's what Coach Landry was.

1253
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 6: That's what we did.

1254
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 5: And the ready ready appreciate having the opportunity to be

1255
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 5: a part of it from that standpoints because it's helping

1256
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 5: help me advance in that area where I wanted to

1257
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 5: get to.

1258
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 4: Right.

1259
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: Well, we both had a great experience there.

1260
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 4: And you know, I left home at eighteen years old

1261
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 4: and I had, you know, four years at Tulsa, three

1262
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 4: head coaches, three losing seasons, and three years of probation.

1263
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what the heck I'm gonna

1264
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 4: do as a man. You know, the blessing was. You know,

1265
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 4: now I'm under the tutolage of Tom Landry and Roger

1266
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: Starbuck and Bob Lilly and all these guys.

1267
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: You know, we again learn how to.

1268
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 4: Be great football players, but also how to be professional,

1269
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 4: how to go about the job. That's why the meetings,

1270
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 4: the practice, you know, the preparation and all that was

1271
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 4: part of the success that we had.

1272
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,959
Speaker 6: That's why we had codon ties on.

1273
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 2: The road, on the road, and then you know we

1274
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: had no money.

1275
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 5: That same shirt we go to the game on Friday,

1276
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 5: put every.

1277
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 4: Time we had to go downstairs to get a newspaper,

1278
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 4: meet somebody, go get a candy bar.

1279
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: We had to be backed up.

1280
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,479
Speaker 4: You couldn't go to that lobby without that tie. Don't

1281
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 4: even try it.

1282
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 5: And that would always suspect part of his sense of

1283
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 5: developing discipline. Yes, absolutely, Like I said, after reading that article,

1284
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 5: man I said, well, it's shoot, God, I must have

1285
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 5: kept him here for some reason. So we're not gonna

1286
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 5: question too much.

1287
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 6: Of this stuff.

1288
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 2: Amen.

1289
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 4: Well, dou Man, we could go on and on, and

1290
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 4: we can tell some stories that are not even conducive

1291
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 4: to this network. But from hanging out Carlson Beppies after

1292
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 4: that playing land about Cafe downas you know, we played hard,

1293
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 4: and we partied hard, hard, and we always showed up

1294
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 4: when it was time to show up.

1295
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: We were there.

1296
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 5: Were always, we always showed up as a as a team.

1297
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 5: And that's one thing I gotta I appreciate about the

1298
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 5: guys and the team that I played with. Everybody had

1299
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 5: that urge of let's win. Yes, it's not the we

1300
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 5: got that we may lose today. How many points are

1301
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 5: we gonna win by today, and let's go do it

1302
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 5: instead of guessing and say, well, maybe we'll do this maybe, No,

1303
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 5: let's make the deal. This is our deal. We're going

1304
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 5: to win this game today some way, somehow.

1305
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 4: If we're gonna take the risk to step on that

1306
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 4: field between them lines. We want to win, you know,

1307
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 4: we want to walk off that field.

1308
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: We don't know. We ain't not going to pray to win.

1309
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: Most of the time, we prayed just to.

1310
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 4: Be able to walk off that field, and if we

1311
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 4: happen to win along with that, amen to that right.

1312
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 5: And that was one of the biggest things that that

1313
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 5: that the winning the winter, the win the football games,

1314
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 5: and in a sense, and to see how how much pleasure,

1315
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 5: more pleasure that the fans got out of it than

1316
01:03:58,320 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 5: a lot of the players did.

1317
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 4: Right, Well, dupe, we appreciate you taking the time, and

1318
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 4: I know who else I appreciate you more than anybody.

1319
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 4: Remember Calvin Hill, you know you're running that toss thirty

1320
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 4: six sist for him. I remember a new house. You're

1321
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 4: running it, you don't know, for him, And here comes

1322
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 4: door set. You're running it for him, and you're ran

1323
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Speaker 4: right into this show. I'm glad you didn't hit me

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Speaker 4: or anything to do. But uh, thanks for taking the

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Speaker 4: time to be with us and helping us get.

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Speaker 2: Through the route tree. But before you go, what was

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Speaker 2: your favorite route?

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Favorite route?

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Speaker 5: Because you know my basic, My basic in BALBMA was

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Speaker 5: twenty yard line ten.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but round the gold line was that twelve route

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Speaker 4: where you had.

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Speaker 6: The option let's see they called it seventeen seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I decided to change it one day and then

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Speaker 5: that you run it, that's when I that's when I

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Speaker 5: end up having my hands split open.

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Speaker 6: My hands split.

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Speaker 2: Open that Oh my goodness, you're blaming that on me.

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Speaker 6: No, I'm blaming it on the quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Hoy, I brought that ball. That's seventeen round. You wore

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Speaker 4: it out, dupe. We appreciate you. We can wear this out,

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Speaker 4: but uh we gotta go, We gotta go. Thanks for

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Speaker 4: being a part of the Route Tree today. One of

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Speaker 4: my favorite teammates and hear my brother from another mother

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Speaker 4: there o brother, so the decade plus one boys.

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's another edition of the Route Tree.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for tuning in, Thanks the Cowboys for having us,

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Speaker 4: and uh We'll be back next week with another edition

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Speaker 4: of the rout Trees hood Hut.

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