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Speaker 1: Thanks for making it through our true crime playlist. We're

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Speaker 1: rounding this one out with a good old fashioned train

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Speaker 1: robbery for which we had across the pond to visit

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Speaker 1: our friends in the UK. Back in nineteen sixty three,

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Speaker 1: one of the all time great holdups was carried out

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Speaker 1: by a huge gang of men who relieved a British

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Speaker 1: mail train of a massive amount of money, and they

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Speaker 1: did it without guns. Most of the robbers were eventually caught,

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Speaker 1: but most of the money has never been found. All

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Speaker 1: aboard for the last episode in our playlist on the

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Speaker 1: Great train robbery.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to you Stuff you should know from HowStuffWorks dot com.

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Speaker 3: Chew, chew, and welcome to the podcast. Um, Josh Clark,

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Speaker 3: There's Charles W. Chuck Bright, there's Jerry uh and you

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Speaker 3: put all of us together with a couple of microphones

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Speaker 3: at crummy ikea.

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Speaker 4: Lamb and you well and a head full of nose juice.

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Speaker 4: You get stuff you should know. That's right, stuff you

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Speaker 4: should nose juice. Oh grow, how's it going buddy? Besides

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Speaker 4: the obvious under the weather yess.

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Speaker 3: Of you, I predict this is the last one great.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be back to good as new by the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to Vancouver and you'll get some of

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Speaker 4: that good Canadian air air in your body and the

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Speaker 4: pine air. It's healing. Yeah, properties, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Get pine and flannel and ocean like in my in

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Speaker 4: And moose yeah, moose hair. Yeah, that's tough.

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Speaker 3: If you walk, wadd it all into a ball and

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Speaker 3: sniff it.

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Speaker 4: Uh huh. It takes care of everything. That's right. What

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Speaker 4: in the world are we talking about? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Uh, we're talking about trains, that's right. We're talking about

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Speaker 3: a specific train, Chuck. We're talking about a specific train

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Speaker 3: at a specific moment in place and time. Yes, it

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Speaker 3: all came together to become known as the Great Train Robbery.

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Speaker 4: It's right.

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Speaker 3: Did you know did you commission this article?

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Speaker 4: I did not.

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Speaker 3: Did you know about it already?

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Speaker 4: Some? Or yeah? I mean a little bit, but not

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Speaker 4: as like obviously as much. After I researched and I

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Speaker 4: watched a couple of documentaries and was looking for a

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Speaker 4: great awesome movie. But I don't think there really is

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Speaker 3: This yet, which is surprising.

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Speaker 4: I think they did, like BBC did one, and I

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Speaker 4: think Sean Connery did one that was loosely I think

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Speaker 4: other things were loosely based.

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Speaker 3: But like the Taking of Pelham one, two three.

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, that's a good movie. Did you the original?

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Speaker 3: Did you watch The Tale of Two Thieves? Is that

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think that's out to the public yet

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to see it. But there are no

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Speaker 4: I learned a lot of new words watching them. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: like what oh like instead of crooked, someone has bent,

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Speaker 4: And a cosh is a like a like a billy

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Speaker 4: An American gotcha in my English? Yeah, so I had.

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Speaker 3: I heard the words great train and robbery together, but

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Speaker 4: I think there was another one, an older great train

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Speaker 4: robbery from the eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 3: There's one in eighteen fifty five, Yeah, where a train

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, let's talk about the plan. So there was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the Bowler Hat Gang was they dressed in

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Speaker 3: So the Bowler Coast Gang, who is I guess led

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Speaker 3: But the Bowler Hat Gang and the South Coast Raiders,

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Speaker 3: So those guys all got together and they said, we

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Speaker 3: They thought, well, we'll take all the mail from Glasgow

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Speaker 3: But yet every night the banks would empty their their

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Speaker 4: Like here's a bunch of huge sacks of money. We're

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Speaker 4: They had an inside man who And this is one

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Speaker 4: found out afterward. But the code name was Ulsterman, and

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Speaker 4: he was named by Gordon Goody as Patrick McKenna. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In that documentary A tale of two thieves. They hand

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Speaker 4: These guys were really good keeping secrets over the years.

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Speaker 3: They wore bowler hats for goodness.

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Speaker 4: So McKinnon's family was super surprised to hear all this.

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Speaker 4: Police never suspected him, and they basically think that this

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Speaker 4: the years. Oh yeah his cut, huh is what the

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Speaker 4: family is saying. But it sounds like an ulsterman kind

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Speaker 3: Well before he had his change of heart, he was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he actually recommended they change the date to get

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Speaker 4: a bigger take. Yeah, and it was and it worked.

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Speaker 3: Can you explain this to me? So a bank holiday

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they didn't conduct any business on the holiday,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they didn't even necessarily split it evenly. There

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Speaker 3: Really, I mean, one of them's named John Wheder. He

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the one who got the safe house

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Speaker 4: this new handbrake, right, So he was useless.

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Speaker 3: And so the guy Bigs who became this criminal legend

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that was Jack Mills, And this is a

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Speaker 4: very important detail. He was, like you said, the conductor

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Speaker 3: No, especially if you're the bowler hat GK.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like you dressed nicely and you conducted your business,

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Speaker 4: beat this old guy up. He was elderly, nearing retirement,

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Speaker 4: and his family says the robbers still say today that like,

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Speaker 3: But about seven years later I think he died of leukemia.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they say he had headaches for the rest

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Speaker 3: And and like you said, that changed absolutely everything. Goodie,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and supposedly Hussy who was brought in as a

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Speaker 4: that that robber thing where you still cover for your people.

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Speaker 4: So like on his deathbed, he was still trying to

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Speaker 3: Wow, lying on your deathbed, Yeah, that's not okay.

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Speaker 4: No, that never happens. Yeah, that's where you're supposed to

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Speaker 3: Sure, Like yeah, I mean they take deathbak confessions like

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where you're supposed to look at your wife

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's terrible, Chuck.

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Speaker 4: Could you imagine? I think that was in a movie.

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Speaker 4: Once you thought it was gonna be some tender moment

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Speaker 3: I think I know what you're talking about. The War

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Speaker 3: I think it's a great movie. No, I don't think

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Speaker 4: Oh okay. So Roger Cordrey is the guy's name who

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And he was an associate of Buster Edwards. And if

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Speaker 3: Collins, Oh, is that who it's about.

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Speaker 4: That's what it's about. Sort of like working class criminal

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Speaker 3: Two hearts beating it.

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Speaker 4: Just one was that from that movie. Okay, great song.

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Speaker 4: All right, So after this break we are gonna talk

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Speaker 3: So chuck, Yeah, we've got the Bowler Hat Gang and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they put a.

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Speaker 3: Glove around the green light and managed to turn on

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Speaker 3: They bring on the guy who's supposed to drive the train,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was it like a bridge overpass.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. And the guy does that and they start

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they got one hundred and twenty of one hundred

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Speaker 3: Could this be any more stylish?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: They had land rovers. There's getaway cars.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty cool. You see why people bought into

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Speaker 4: Fields's job as well, was he bought this farm and.

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Speaker 3: Farmhouse leathers slaid farm right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah too, And it was sort of ingenius, but ended

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Speaker 3: Well, they stopped the train and got it to the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two tons, I think two and a half.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they were back in their hideout in another

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Speaker 4: they're probably within a thirty mile radius then, and so

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Speaker 3: That was their undoing. A neighbors said, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: this guy came forward and said, you guys should go

443
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 3: check this farm out. Well, the guys weren't only at

444
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 3: this farm for the half hour after the heist. They'd

445
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,440
Speaker 3: been there for like eight days, waiting for the day

446
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 3: to come, getting ready, eating things that required catchup, playing Monopoly.

447
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 4: Played a lot of Monopoly with their real money, Yes

448
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 4: they did. They thought that was just a fun thing

449
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 4: to do, hilarious.

450
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 3: And they did go to the trouble of wiping down

451
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff, but they left a lot

452
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 3: of stuff behind, including the Monopoly game, including the ketchup bottle,

453
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: and a lot of other stuff that had prints on it.

454
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 4: Well, yes, because Fields was supposed to get a guy

455
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 4: to go torch the place.

456
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I thought. I was like, why wouldn't

457
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:15,400
Speaker 3: you just burn the place down?

458
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 4: That was the plan, And apparently the guy never did it,

459
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 4: and they ended up getting out of there a few

460
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 4: days early. They left five days into it because they

461
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 4: obviously heard the news that they were canvassing the area.

462
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 4: So they left quicker than they wanted to, and, like

463
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 4: you said, left a lot of stuff behind because they

464
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 4: thought it was gonna be torched.

465
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: They're playing was to lay low there for a few days.

466
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, to keep laying low, huh. But when they found

467
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 4: out they were basically making their way to them little

468
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 4: by little, right, they got the heck out of Dodge Piker.

469
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 3: Well that probably kept them from getting caught sooner. Yeah,

470
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 3: but in so the public is being treated to this

471
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 3: incredibly daring train heist. These people got away without a

472
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: trace for at least the first week. Only within a week,

473
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: this leather Slade Farms has been identified as a place

474
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: where these guys were hiding out. Yeah, they found the

475
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,760
Speaker 3: trucks and they got at least one person within eight

476
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: days of the of the heist. Yeah, and all of

477
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: a sudden people start falling. There's fifteen people and on

478
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: the case is called the Flying Squad, who are like

479
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: the best of the best that Scotland Yard has to

480
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 3: offer to combat these some of the best of the

481
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: best criminals that that great Britain has had to offer

482
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: at the time.

483
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chief Superintendent Detective Tommy Butler was the head of

484
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 4: the Flying Squad. And like you said, this was so

485
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 4: sensational because it was the top robbers and the top

486
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 4: cop it was I guess it's sort of like the

487
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 4: elliot ness of the day going after al Capone. It

488
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: was just a huge story. And like you said, they

489
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 4: started getting nicked one by one and it came out

490
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 4: later that there was an informant by the name of

491
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 4: Mickey Keo. Supposedly, Scotland Yard said, this guy, Mickey Kejo

492
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 4: was telling us all about it because it was well

493
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 4: known within the criminal underground, like what was going on,

494
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 4: and started naming names. Although the robbers to this day

495
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 4: still say, nah, it wasn't Mickey Kejo. We know that guy.

496
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 4: He didn't even know us that well. He wasn't giving

497
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 4: up names. Yeah, but I don't know, Scotland Yard says

498
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 4: he was, so I don't see why they'd make that up.

499
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: I could see them making it up to protect somebody else,

500
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 3: especially if they didn't like Mickey Kejo in the way

501
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: he looked.

502
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 4: That's true, but they You're right. They started to go

503
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 4: down one by one. There was a pretty short list

504
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 4: of people who they thought it was. It wasn't like

505
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 4: some great mystery.

506
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: Plus, once they started peeling away one and catching one

507
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: here or there, others started falling others did did Did

508
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: anyone who was caught name names? Did you get that impression?

509
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 4: No? They were Most of them were pretty tight lipped.

510
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 4: In fact, one guy, Charlie Wilson, he was the treasurer

511
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 4: of the gang. They called him the silent man because

512
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 4: he literally said nothing and he just didn't speak at

513
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 4: all during the trial.

514
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: Right, he went on to become a US congressman who

515
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: waged a proxy war against Russia in Afghanistan of the seventies.

516
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think that's a different, different Charlie.

517
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 3: Okay, Tom Hanks, I yet right, So consider this from

518
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: the public's point of view. There's a staring robbery, right

519
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: words getting out. Within a week, you got your first

520
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: guy caught, but there's still tons more people on lamb,

521
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: which gave the press tons of fodder. They had so

522
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 3: much to write about. There was a capture of one

523
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: of the guys that involved roof tops, like the guy

524
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: was running and jumping from roof to roof with the

525
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 3: police and chase, you know. And finally by August, all

526
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: these guys are rounded up. Twelve of the fifteen I

527
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 3: think were rounded up.

528
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

529
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

530
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: And they started to stand trial in January. They were caught.

531
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 3: They're being quiet. The public is just totally in awe.

532
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: And finally this trial starts and right out of the gate,

533
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: the judge found out that Biggs had a criminal passed

534
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 3: so he shouldn't be tried with the rest of them

535
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: because it could taint the jury against all these other

536
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: guys unfairly. So Biggs got spun off to his own trial,

537
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 3: and these guys stood trial. The other four or the

538
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: other elevens, no, ten of them stood trial. One of

539
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 3: them managed to have a lawyer. He was there because

540
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 3: his prints were on the no, the Monopoly game.

541
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were prints on Ketchup and Monopoly and pots

542
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: and pans, and some of the guys were gloves the

543
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 4: entire time, and they smart, smart ones.

544
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Biggs was the one. Remember, Biggs's one job

545
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: was to bring the train engineer and he screwed that up. Yeah,

546
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: his prints were on the Ketchup bottle, so he screwed

547
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: that up too. But there was another guy whose prints

548
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 3: run the Monopoly game, and his lawyers managed to show

549
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 3: that those could have gotten there long before the crime, yeah,

550
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: and that it didn't necessarily mean he had anything to

551
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: do with it. He got set. He was acquitted during

552
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: this trial. Yeah, he was the only lucky one. Everybody

553
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: else had the book thrown at them.

554
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there was a lot of them were

555
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 4: saying that they cooked up a bunch of evidence because

556
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 4: they knew it was them, but they just didn't have

557
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 4: the evidence. So the big lorry truck they had painted

558
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 4: hastily painted yellow, and the Goody, one of the main

559
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 4: you know, two guys, was supposedly some of his evidence

560
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 4: was that they found yellow paint on a shoe and

561
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 4: he was like, I didn't paint in those shoes. And

562
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 4: it was funny because years later he's like, oh, I

563
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: did it, and yeah, I painted that truck yellow, but

564
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 4: I wouldn't wearing those shoes they planted. That's evidence, isn't

565
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 4: that right? Yeah? And apparently there was false confessions. There

566
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 4: was another great British word for that. I can't remember

567
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 4: what they called it, but chaverdaba, chaverdving. They false confessions

568
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: were big at the time in England, and it was

569
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 4: a lot of reports from these robbers that they were

570
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: using false confessions and planning evidence. And again even though

571
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: they did it, they were like, yeah, but if you

572
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: don't have evidence, yeah, you can't convict this all right,

573
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 4: So I don't think we'll ever know if they cooked

574
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 4: up some of this evidence or not.

575
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 3: Well, there was one guy named Bowl William Bowle.

576
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: Oh, poor guy.

577
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 3: He apparently had nothing to do with it. Well, he

578
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: received money in payment from a debt. Yeah, I think

579
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: that Goody owed him.

580
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 4: Now that it was Bigs, Oh, Big BIG's again. He

581
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: was a friend of Biggs and when he got out,

582
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: helped him kind of lay low. But he had nothing

583
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: to do with the robbery. And he got fourteen years. No,

584
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, it was Quadry. It wasn't Bigs. Okay, Cordrey,

585
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: I know, I feel bad for Bigs. We're just dragging

586
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: his name through the mud. Yeah, but it was Rob Cordrey.

587
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: It wasn't Rob Qudrey, but it was his dad. It

588
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: was his great grandfather of Cordrey, and he was Boll's friend.

589
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: He helped him lay low and he wented. Uh. Cordory

590
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 4: was actually the first one to get to get pinched

591
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 4: because he and Bowl helped him rent a garage and

592
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: they paid in like the same banknote bills for like

593
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: three months in advance in cash, and the lady said, ah,

594
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: this is a little suspicious, turned him in. Bowl got

595
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: wrapped up, and because all these guys were saying we're innocent,

596
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: they couldn't come out and say, well, he really is innocent, right,

597
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 4: So they kind of had to take this guilt with them.

598
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: To prison.

599
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: So Bowl got fourteen years for doing nothing really, yeah,

600
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: and for just basically knowing the wrong guys and hanging

601
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 3: out with the wrong guys. He died in prison.

602
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: I'm not laughing because it's just tragic.

603
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: It is tragic. So his family's like trying to mount

604
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 3: a campaign now to get a posthumous pardon it least. Yeah,

605
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: but he and the guy who got hit over the

606
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: head the conductor are really the two big victims in

607
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: all of this.

608
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and one of them, there was only one guy

609
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: that turned in his cut of the money, and actually

610
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 4: we pleaded guilty out of the rest.

611
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: That was Cordry, I think, yeah, that was Cordry. So

612
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: even he says, yes I did it, here's my eighty

613
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: grand the guy who he associated with still got fourteen years.

614
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: And died in jail.

615
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so sad. So you'll notice that we were

616
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: talking about twelve of the fifteen bigs by the way,

617
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 3: after he stood trial separately, was also found guilty and

618
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: got things like these guys were getting like twenty years,

619
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: thirty years sentence, these enormous sentences for this train robbery.

620
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, generally thirty which was double the harshest penalties for

621
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: robbery that they've ever seen.

622
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: Right, which is really strange because the judge in the case,

623
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: he had actually reduced another robber in a completely separate

624
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 3: robbery where a man had been shot and killed during

625
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: the commission of the robbery. Oh wow, someone who was

626
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: involved in that had his sentence reduced from fifteen years

627
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 3: to ten years. Crazy because that judge thought it was excessive.

628
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: That same judge was handing out thirty year sentences to

629
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: these guys where no one got killed.

630
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was justice. Edmund Davies. I think because it

631
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 4: was such a high profile case, he felt he could

632
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: make his name had to be you know.

633
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: So he was making his name though against public sentiment

634
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: because a lot of people were very much saw these

635
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: guys as folk heroes, none more though than Biggs. And

636
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: the reason why Biggs was a folk hero was because

637
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: he evaded captures so long.

638
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: And we'll talk about that right after this fish, all right,

639
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 4: So some really interesting things happened after they were sentenced.

640
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: Charlie Wilson escaped prison yeap, which was pretty cool. A

641
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 4: couple of them escaped prison in the way that it

642
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: was very cute how you could escape prison back then. Like,

643
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 4: let's put a ladder by the fence and climb up

644
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: and jump over into a truck and speed away.

645
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: It turns out that Benny Hill's show was basically a

646
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: docu drama at the time.

647
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: Another one escaped when he I think he had some

648
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: guys infiltrate the prison and help him escape.

649
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a furniture truck. Yeah, that was a Bigs

650
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: I think.

651
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a lot easier to escape prison back then.

652
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 4: And some of these were maximum security for what it's worth,

653
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: you know, Yeah, well.

654
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of them was Britain's version of Alcatraz, they say,

655
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: Wandsworth Prison and that BIG's escape from there when he

656
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: escaped and went on the Lamb. He went to Australia

657
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: and then eventually moved on to Brazil. But first he

658
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: stopped off at one of the worst human beings to

659
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: ever walk the planet's office, This very same cosmetic surgeon

660
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: who redid the faces of Nazis fleeing Europe at the

661
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: end of World War Two.

662
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: Really, that's who his plastic surgeon was.

663
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so Biggs got his face redone a little bit,

664
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 3: went to Australia, made it to Brazil, and he had

665
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: a family in Australia, which he left behind there and

666
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 3: then went on to Brazil, got a girlfriend and she

667
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: was pregnant with their child when the authorities, the British

668
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 3: authorities found him in Brazil and he said, oh, turns

669
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: out under Brazilian law you can't extradite the parent of

670
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: a Brazilian citizen.

671
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: Oh crazy.

672
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: So for many, many years Ronald Biggs lived openly as

673
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: this fellon escapee in Brazil. And there are things that

674
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: he couldn't do in Brazil. Apparently he couldn't go to bars,

675
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 3: It couldn't be out after ten pm. He couldn't associate with,

676
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: you know, anybody with a criminal record or anything like that.

677
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: But he wasn't imprisoned by the Brazilian authorities, and he

678
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 3: couldn't be extradited to Great Britain, which drove Great Britain

679
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: c oh, I'm sure. And there was this one very

680
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: famous detective who was on this case who made his

681
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 3: own name. His name was Jack Slipper.

682
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get the feeling that he and Biggs it

683
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: was sort of like the Les Meserab, like Jean Valjean.

684
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: You know, they had this lifelong.

685
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: Pursuit smoking in the band. Sure, Yeah, it's a very

686
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 3: old story.

687
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

688
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 3: And Biggs and Jack Slipper were playing it out in

689
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 3: real life, so much so that Jack Slipper in nineteen

690
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: seventy four showed up on Biggs's doorstep, I guess, just

691
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: to rattle him, just to say I know where you

692
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 3: are and I can get to you. And Biggs said, yeah,

693
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: but you really can't do anything to me.

694
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 4: Yeah. And some of the other guys evaded police for

695
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: a little while, for a number of years, but I

696
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: think by nineteen sixty nine they were all caught, except

697
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 4: for the three that they couldn't finger with good evidence. Yeah,

698
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 4: but even the main mastermind was able to evade the

699
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 4: police for four or five years. I think he went

700
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: down Mexico Buster.

701
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: He turned himself in after living on the LAMB for

702
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: three years.

703
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: Yeah. And Bruce Reynolds, I think he was on the

704
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 4: LAMB for a while too.

705
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got caught in Canada.

706
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: I think.

707
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: One of the guys, well, I guess it was Bruce

708
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: Reynolds when he changed his name when he went on

709
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: the LAMB. He changed his family's last name to Firth.

710
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 3: Oh really, and he had a wife and son, Colin.

711
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 3: He changed his son Nick's name to Colin Firth, shut up?

712
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 4: Is that the guy? No?

713
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: No, oh, totally coincidental.

714
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought you were gonna say.

715
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be amazing if that Colin Firth was the

716
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 3: son of Bruce Reynolds and it was all in alias

717
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 3: that he turned into his stage name.

718
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: That would be awesome actually. So one of the fun

719
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 4: things that the Prime Minister tried to do, because he

720
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: was so upset about this, was he tried to at

721
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 4: one point, or he didn't try to. He had the

722
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 4: idea to reissue every banknote in England so their money

723
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: would no longer good.

724
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: So from what I understand, and they were like, yeah,

725
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: you can't do that. From what I understand, most of

726
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: the money was never recovered.

727
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, four hundred grand out of the two point six

728
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: million was recovered, right.

729
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 3: So there was a lot of that out there still.

730
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

731
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: But apparently England went to a different type of decimal

732
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: currency by like nineteen seventy I think, and that means

733
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: that that money that was out there automatically became worthless.

734
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 4: Well apparently they laundered it pretty quickly afterward, so I

735
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 4: don't know how much that affected them. Okay, like through bookies,

736
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: I got stuff like that. They made it new money. However,

737
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: all of the robbers ended up saying like even if

738
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: they got their cut, like it was a curse and

739
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: they didn't live this rich lifestyle in Mexico in Spain,

740
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 4: like a bunch of them moved to these places right

741
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 4: and served shorter sentences because I think parole was brought

742
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: in after they were sentenced. It wasn't even like a

743
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 4: thing in England until then. But retroactively they were able

744
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: to get out in like, you know, ten or fourteen

745
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: years and then you know, supposedly he had some of

746
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 4: this money still hidden away. But most of them ended

747
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: up like one guy committed suicide, one guy died in

748
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 4: a medical trial that he signed up for. One guy was.

749
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: Murdered, yeah, by a hitman on a bike in Spain.

750
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, So like most of them have these awful sort

751
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 4: of ending stories and they didn't live it out like

752
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 4: Sexy Beast, like Ray Winstone on the Spanish era. I

753
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 4: think some of that might have been influenced by some

754
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 4: of that movie.

755
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: I think a lot of Great Britain's love of gangsters

756
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: was yeah, influenced by these guys.

757
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were definitely looked up to. And it's pretty interesting.

758
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: I've got a little more on Biggs the Ballad of

759
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: Bigs of Bigsy. So he I mean, he really is

760
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 3: like a folk hero in against antist or with anti

761
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 3: establishment types in the UK, in part because he was,

762
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: you know, living openly in the face of you know,

763
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: British authority, and it irked the British enough that a

764
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: group of ex British military in nineteen eighty one kidnapped

765
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: him from Brazil and put him on a boat and

766
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: got as far as Barbados, where they had boat trouble wow,

767
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: and they were picked up by the Barbadan authorities. And

768
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: it turns out Barbados doesn't have an extradition treaty with

769
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: the UK either, so he got sent back to Brazil.

770
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: And supposedly these ex military were saying that they planned

771
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: on I guess, getting some sort of reward from the

772
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: British crown for bringing this guy back, right, But it's

773
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: also been supposed that that was actually a plausible deniability

774
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: cover that it was actually like the British really tried

775
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: to have this guynapped.

776
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 4: It wouldn't surprise me.

777
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 3: He Yeah, he finally turned himself in and died in

778
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. But he turned himself in two

779
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: thousand he started having like failing health, so he's like,

780
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: I guess I'll go live out my life in jail

781
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: for some reason.

782
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 4: And I think he went to like an old man's

783
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: hospital jail back in the UK. And not all of

784
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: them met, you know, gross untimely demises of you know,

785
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 4: several of them just kind of retired or went back

786
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: to their work as florist's and uh, yeah, Cordry sort

787
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: of retired with her family in Sussex or London or

788
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: sort of around England. And but apparently none of them

789
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: like got rich off this or they're not talking if

790
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 4: they did. Yeah.

791
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: Still, well, good good, Yeah, Goods wrote a book, So

792
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: there you go.

793
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 4: There you have it.

794
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: Uh. If you want to know more about the Great

795
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 3: Train Robbery, a great place to start is the search

796
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: bar howstuff works dot com. And since I said search bar,

797
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: it's time for listener mail.

798
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm gonna call the horse milk. In our Animal

799
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: Domestication podcast, we talked about horse milk and I can't

800
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 4: remember what I said. I probably said it was gross

801
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 4: or something.

802
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 3: Well, I think we said like we want to hear

803
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: from people who've had it, and I figured we'd hear

804
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 3: from a couple of people, but I'm blown away by

805
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: how many people have had a brush with horse milk.

806
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: A lot of people liked it too, this is not

807
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 4: one of them. Hey, guys, just listen to the podcast

808
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 4: on animal domestication. I wanted to tell you about the

809
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 4: revolting drink called Kumas from Kazakhstan. It's ku miss Mela Kumas.

810
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 4: It is similar to the more familiar product Kiefer, which

811
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: we talked about that and something else, right, yeah or something.

812
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: It's like Balki's version of sour milk Colgary and I.

813
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 4: Think, yeah, he said it's made from horse milk because

814
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: horse milk has more natural sugars than cow, sheep or

815
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 4: goat milk. Kumus ends up being mildly alcoholic after fermentation.

816
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: Crazy.

817
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: Imagine the sourness of raw yogurt mixed with the bite

818
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 4: of a shot of vodka and round it all out

819
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: with the disgusting tang of horse milk, and you've got

820
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: kumas well.

821
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: I don't understand that last part, Like I don't have

822
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: anything to equate that with horse milk, vodka, check sour

823
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 3: like Forto yogurt.

824
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: But you don't know that disgusting tang. No, and I

825
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 4: want to know now. You know in Toronto when I

826
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: was there, my friend Chris from Let's Drink About It

827
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: ate horse meat.

828
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: They in front of you.

829
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: No.

830
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 4: I was supposed to go to dinner with them, but

831
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: I was sick. And after we recorded, they went out,

832
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: and the next day he was like, dude, eight horse meat.

833
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 4: Yesterday I went they go to Ikea. No, they went

834
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 4: to some one of those adventurous restaurants. And I was like,

835
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 4: Josh would have been all over that, but not me. No,

836
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 4: thank you. Yeah, you'd eat horse meat, right, you try

837
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: it out, probably, but not horse milk.

838
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: Only if the horse died of old age.

839
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: So Greg says, I drank it. Well that's what they said.

840
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: They supposedly all of them. They're called what do you

841
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 4: call them, barbarians something?

842
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 3: Horses like old dead horses.

843
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: No, basically there were horses that died of natural casts.

844
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 4: They called them like horses.

845
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: No, like golden age horses.

846
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: No, there's a word.

847
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 3: There's a lot of words.

848
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: I can say them all. So Greg drank it in Kazakhstan,

849
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 4: and he said it was served in a bowl what

850
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 4: he you would describe as a bowl. You get cocktail

851
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 4: peanuts like you would get cocktail peanuts, and like, instead

852
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: of a bowl of peanuts, it's a bowl of this

853
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 4: disgusting drink. Wow. I've lived in the Caucasus for four

854
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 4: years now, I've had my share of questionable foods, and

855
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 4: the only thing I found more disagreeable than a saucer

856
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 4: of kumus was a pickled rooster comb. Oh my gosh,

857
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 4: he said. It was all skin and cardles. It felt

858
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: like I was eating an ear. Wow, man, that is

859
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 4: from Greg. That's called using every part of the animal. Yeah, Greg,

860
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 4: you just blew my mind.

861
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 3: Same here, man.

862
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: I wish I could think of the horses. Uh, not

863
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: like freedom horses, but it.

864
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 3: Was something like freedom is a word the horses that

865
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: want you to eat them? Yeah, donor horses. Well we'll

866
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: find out and tell everybody next time. Okay.

867
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, essential is they're horses that died of natural causes.

868
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: They weren't killed for their meat. I gotcha. Yeah.

869
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,799
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870
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,840
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871
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