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Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass, an iHeartRadio podcast. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my Little Peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass. This

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Speaker 1: is Frosted Tips Everyone with me and my husband Michael Turchin.

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Speaker 1: Hello there, Turkey Church and the Bist.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: I hope everyone has recovered from their Labor Day weekend.

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Speaker 1: We sure have. We had a nice, little relaxing weekend.

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Speaker 1: It was in Mexico, celebrating some friends getting engaged. It

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Speaker 1: was nice to get away because we didn't really have

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Speaker 1: much of a summer vacation.

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Speaker 2: No, apart from our road trip, which was amazing. We

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Speaker 2: drove the one on one. We should do that every year.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I can't wait for the kids to get

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Speaker 1: old enough to do it, to go traveling with us.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I want to be a camping family.

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Speaker 2: I will be a glamping family.

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Speaker 1: We can be a glamping family. Camp we have to

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Speaker 1: pitch a tent everyone, So for sure one of those

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Speaker 1: Daddy family ten bedrooms.

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Speaker 4: Somehow you put air mattresses in there.

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Speaker 1: It's got like a balcony with the jacuzzi.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they sell those at home devot, but.

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Speaker 1: How fun will it be to have like? Because we

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Speaker 1: don't let the you know, kids sleep in our bed

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Speaker 1: because we don't want to start that habit because we

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Speaker 1: have so many friends that are like, don't do it.

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Speaker 4: I know so many friends kids now are like three

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Speaker 4: four and they're still sleeping their bead.

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Speaker 1: And it would be hard for twins because one of

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Speaker 1: them is going to be jumping around. It's just it

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Speaker 1: would be really hard, and I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: get that happy, although I just want, desperately want to

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Speaker 1: sleep next to them. Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Soon once they're I mean they're not even too yet,

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Speaker 4: so once get bigger a little more.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like.

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Speaker 1: This would be you know, you're forced to have to

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Speaker 1: like snuggle it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm down. Let's go care right little tent. I

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Speaker 2: mean we can practice at first in our yard.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we can just go yeah, I've always I

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Speaker 1: used to do that as a kid. Well not all

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Speaker 1: the time, did it maybe twice as it always started

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Speaker 2: Then you have to like pee in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the night, and then you're like and.

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Speaker 1: Then you just go to your bed. You're going back

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Speaker 1: your friends like you know what, we're gonna camp out,

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Speaker 1: so you know, you pitch the tent and your friends

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Speaker 1: are back there. Yeah. Yeah, two in the morning, like

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Speaker 1: I got a pee, I'm thirsty, and then you go

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Speaker 1: straight to your bed. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I would do that a lot as a kid.

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Speaker 4: I would always pitch a tent on my parents' balcony

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Speaker 4: on their bedroom to sleep there.

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Speaker 1: That's what It always sounds like a good edem it

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Speaker 1: that just doesn't that way. Guys. Today we have mister

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Speaker 1: Rob Thomas Long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a good, good one.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Yes, he's not an official boy band,

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Speaker 1: but he was a boy in a band. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: it counts. Of course it counts because you know, we're again,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna run out of boy band members, so we

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Speaker 1: got to really start stretching out a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's had such a great career.

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Speaker 1: It started at the same time as we did nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five Orlando, Florida. Yeah, I would say we're people

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Speaker 1: really compared us. It was hard to match for twenty

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Speaker 4: It was always and twenty in sanc it's like who's who,

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Speaker 4: Like we can't tell hard. No, they were great dancers

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Speaker 4: and for the longest time I thought you were, and

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Speaker 4: we played great and I thought your name was lay

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Speaker 4: Space because you're the base player of Matts Box twenty.

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Speaker 1: I thought it's true.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was just a stage name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but we definitely went in different directions and they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's that was just reading.

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Speaker 4: He's sold. He sold over eighty million records. Who the

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Speaker 4: ones he's written.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot. That's good.

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Speaker 1: Someone's got some good royalties come in his leg. We're

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Speaker 1: good as cap deals there, all right. So when we

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Speaker 2: So there's another Rod tob Is.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a very rare name. I would

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Speaker 1: think Robert Kelly Thomas is going to be with us

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Speaker 1: Mats Box twenty. And I think, you know helped. I

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Speaker 1: mean in the late nineties, remember the Latin explosion happened, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and then Smooth with Santana right in the middle of

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Speaker 4: And all it took was a German born American singer

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Speaker 1: I'd be right back, mister Rob Thomas, Guys, how are you?

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Speaker 3: How you doing? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. It's been five years since I've seen you.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Everything good. Where are you calling from?

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Speaker 3: On my studio here in New York?

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Speaker 1: All right? Nice? Nice? Have you lived in New York? Lone?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? About twenty five years?

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Speaker 1: So twenty five years. Nice.

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Speaker 3: When I met my wife, we were like, we lived

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Speaker 3: through all the first record stuff. And so when I

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Speaker 3: got off the road, I didn't live anywhere and we

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Speaker 3: we moved up to Westchester a while back.

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Speaker 1: Nice, you love it. That's when my husband here, Michael.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Rob, Hello, When we met, I was

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Speaker 1: moving from LA to New York. So a month after

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Speaker 1: then somehow it did. I think long distance really made

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Speaker 1: the hot heart fonder. As they say, all right, well,

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Speaker 1: let's get started, shall we I mean I could talk

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Speaker 1: to you for hours, but we only have one hour

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Speaker 1: with you, all right. Robert Kelly Thomas an American singer, songwriter,

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Speaker 1: multi instrumentalist, best known for being the lead singer of

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Speaker 1: He has received three Grammy Awards for co writing and

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Speaker 1: singing on the nineteen ninety nine hit Smooth by Santana,

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Speaker 1: and he's also been a songwriter for artists such as

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Speaker 1: Travis Tritt, Daughtry has some good names, right that, Rob Thomas.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, that's you know what right there? Tonight?

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Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, is that is all that true?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean all of it. I think that we were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, what's your favorite? What's your favorite instrument to

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Speaker 3: You know, I love riding on the guitar, right, but

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Speaker 3: I'm a limited skilled guitar player, So eventually I wind

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Speaker 3: I'll hit a chord that I don't know and I

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, nice, Well let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know you were born in Germany because your dad

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Speaker 1: was in the Army. Where in Germany were you born?

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Speaker 3: So in launch school and on the Romstein air for

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, Yeah, we because in sinc we started Orlando

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Speaker 3: So so what.

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Speaker 3: It's funny, Lou Pelman, it was so weird.

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Speaker 1: Where did you find the drive to actually pursue music

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Speaker 3: our first song was I Just Died in your Arms tonight,

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Speaker 3: but not because no considerations for streaming, you know, as

439
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:21,880
Speaker 3: a writer and purely a writer, you know, those those guys.

440
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,880
Speaker 3: It makes it why I can't understand the incentive now

441
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 3: to want to be a writer.

442
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, especially.

443
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 3: Sure like Benny Blanco or somebody, if you're going to

444
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 3: write with their track, you're going to automatically get fifty

445
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,640
Speaker 3: percent of that track. You know that that's the only

446
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,160
Speaker 3: way that you're going to do it because as a writer,

447
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 3: he realizes he's going to bring a lot to the table,

448
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 3: but he's not going to get a lot.

449
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,600
Speaker 1: Out of it, right, right, right, I know, it's uh,

450
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: we have. It's it's funny how you know. I'm in

451
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 1: the film and television, anim and music, and just comparing

452
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,400
Speaker 1: the two, there's a lot of similarities. But I do

453
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 1: think music is always behind.

454
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we are in some ways. And I

455
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 3: say this, and I say this, I think more than

456
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 3: an ambassador to everyone who's coming up and the people

457
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 3: who haven't maybe had as many lucky breaks as I've had,

458
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 3: because I mean I've done well. I'm hearing this really

459
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 3: nice house in Westchester, so I'm not complaining. But on

460
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 3: the overall picture, take me out of it. It's always

461
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 3: been like my wife says, that there's you know, there's

462
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: a certain gravitas for all the entertainment industry, and then music,

463
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,199
Speaker 3: even though it's a driver of so much, is like

464
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 3: the bastard son of the entertainment house.

465
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,720
Speaker 1: It's so true, behind and getting the scraps and try

466
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: being in a boy band in the music industry. You're

467
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,200
Speaker 1: like the pariah of the music industry.

468
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's like, can you I mean you can imagine,

469
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 3: like right now, the movies start to, you know, show

470
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,720
Speaker 3: just a small crack in the facade, and everybody starts

471
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 3: to come to arms, like we must protect the movies.

472
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 3: We must protect the movies. And then like a while back,

473
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 3: someone said, you know, I just don't understand why we

474
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 3: need to pay for music at all, and nobody was like, yeah,

475
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 3: you know, I get that. That's only true. I think

476
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 3: it should be free. I think the whole world should

477
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 3: have it. And you're like, yeah, but you know what

478
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 3: about mortgages and things like that.

479
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I love art too. Maybe should just have

480
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: free art, right, yeah, exactly, your art away for free. Mind.

481
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good to souther beast. Let's have a free throw.

482
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 1: Okay. So in ninety six, you released your debut album

483
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: Yourself or someone like you. On the same day that

484
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: the record label folded, it only sold a few hundred copies.

485
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 1: So what did you guys feel like at that moment?

486
00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,239
Speaker 1: Where did you think your career was going to go?

487
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 4: When you're like, hey, what are the odds your album

488
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 4: coming out? And then folding this Wow.

489
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 3: And everybody was getting dropped. It was online because I

490
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 3: think it was like bands like I Think, Who Me, Sugar, Ray,

491
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 3: Kid Rock and Edwin McCain before that, they stuck around

492
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 3: and everybody else got dropped. And we kind of folded

493
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 3: into Atlantic one hand because thought our career was over

494
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 3: obviously because also we had a song now called Long

495
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 3: Day and it was underperforming, so that didn't help the situation.

496
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: And we, uh, there was another part of this store

497
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 3: that was like we had sold six hundred and twelve

498
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: records and we thought, wow, we never sold six hundred

499
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: records in a week. That's amazing.

500
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, if you sell those those many CDs

501
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 1: at a concert, you're like, yeah, that seems.

502
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 3: Like a month work of shows.

503
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

504
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 3: And then I mean we so we were we were

505
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: sweating it out and we were still not playing you know,

506
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: we we have we had been since way before the release,

507
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 3: you know, in the van and trailer playing every shitty

508
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 3: little club. It was funny because you think that the

509
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,479
Speaker 3: deal is to get the record deal, like that's your

510
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: main goal, this this aspiration that you have, and then

511
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 3: you realize that you just have to now do the

512
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 3: exact same work but harder and over, like.

513
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: The entire actually started all the way over.

514
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 3: But you don't really have any money because all that

515
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 3: money you got from the advance goes back into the product, right,

516
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: So I went back into a van and trailer and

517
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 3: that back into paying salaries and gear all the stuff

518
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 3: that it took. So like we didn't really have money

519
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 3: even though we had had this advance, and we're trapped

520
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 3: around playing the nobody and so I literally so for us.

521
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 3: There was a station in Birmingham, Alabama, and a program

522
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 3: director named Dave Rossi. So back in it, you have

523
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 3: to imagine that it's a time where radio stations could

524
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 3: play songs because they liked them. Right. There was no

525
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: computer kind of telling you what the playlist has to be.

526
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: There's no U right front. It was just a dude

527
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: who was like, oh I like this song, push and

528
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: he just started playing in a lot in Birmingham and

529
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 3: it became like the number one song in Birmingham and

530
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: we're playing all to all these empty places and get

531
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 3: to the Fires Music Hall and there's a line around

532
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 3: the block and that was like it was like a

533
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: film in that way, and that from that moment on,

534
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: every week Exponential just got bigger and bigger and bigger,

535
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 3: and we're starting to like see these numbers and then

536
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: you're like people are having these conversations about you when

537
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 3: you're not in the room, and that felt good and

538
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: so then we from that point on it was a

539
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 3: pretty good, steady success. But it was it was touch

540
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: and go at the beginning.

541
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: There, and like we were saying before, that's what I

542
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: call the wave, right, you know, one town a song

543
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: will start blowing up, and then the wave starts and

544
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: just starts growing and growing, and you just follow that wave.

545
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: You ride it.

546
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 1: So by the time you get you know, if it

547
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: starts on the East coast and you get to the

548
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: West coast, you've written it for like six months, Like finally,

549
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, you can see the height of the song

550
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: go up and down all the way across the country.

551
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: It's it's a fun thing to do, but I don't

552
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: know if that happens next day.

553
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: It was like almost thirty years later. The one thing

554
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: that stayed consistent is the place where we seem to

555
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: do the least is our hometown. Always always absolutely like

556
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: like we don't even go to Orlando anymore, Yeah, because

557
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: we don't sell enough, like to you know, we can

558
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: go to Tampa and sell twenty six thousand seats you

559
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 3: know at the Amphitheater. Yeah, tell nine thousand in Orlando?

560
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: What is that? Because same thing. I mean with every

561
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: band that I've talked you, the same thing. Or in

562
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: Orlando that was the least visited concert ever was always

563
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: we would do Tampa for a lot. We know, we

564
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: do Orlando every once in a while, but yeah, like

565
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: no one really cared, and maybe just because they know

566
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: you so well. But I also feel that way in

567
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: La too. La is always the worst show too, because

568
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: everyone's a little too industry and you know, they're just

569
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: too cool.

570
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: There's always been pretty good, especially considering that we're, you know,

571
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: a nineties band, and also it got better like with

572
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: the nostalgia. Yeah, definitely a sense of like, you know

573
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: people because now it's it's a lot of those people

574
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 3: that came because those people that were my age anyway,

575
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 3: they're like in their seventies now and their kids are

576
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: coming and their grandkids are coming, and so there's like

577
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: this kind of different kind of a resurgence.

578
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: It's that oh yeah, now the last run and it's

579
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: so great, Yeah, Orlando. But it's fun to see this

580
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: research is because one, I constantly feel like I'm just

581
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: twenty one years old at all times, and I can't

582
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: believe it's not nineteen ninety nine anymore. But the research

583
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: is especially of push right now.

584
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

585
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean Ryan Gosling has you know, has covered your

586
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: ear song? And uh I thought that to me, this

587
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: the performance from Ryan was, you know how like impersonators

588
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: impersonate Share. I think this was his version of like

589
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: really trying to impersonate you and like the most exaggerated possibility,

590
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: who impersonates me?

591
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: Share?

592
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we said, Like this is that had.

593
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: A baby like everybody and I and I understand too

594
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: it because like, especially like that first record, I was

595
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 3: a deep Southern accent, you know, so there was a

596
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 3: lot of like was that Share, It's funny everybody does that?

597
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: Like it's it was such was so earnest. It's kind

598
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 3: of like yeah, and I uh, I mean, honestly, I

599
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 3: don't know, Like if I have a bigger crush on

600
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: the male or female lead and then just to see

601
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: that face saying my words come out of that mouth, yes.

602
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I love it would however, official recorder duet of this, that.

603
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: Would be amazing.

604
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 3: I would do anything he asked me to. Okay that

605
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: I that I'm still awaiting he that he asked for

606
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: my home address because he wants to send a present

607
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: to my house.

608
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's awesome.

609
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: President.

610
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because you know, he sent Greta Gerwig for

611
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: her birthday a flash mob to her exercise class. What

612
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: so maybe it might be a flash mob. Just speak

613
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: be watching out for that.

614
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: That would be amazing.

615
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people forget that he has

616
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: a great singing voice. I mean, he was on the

617
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: Mickey mouse Club, so I mean he's people forget that

618
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: he was a singer first before going in.

619
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 3: Now that's true. That's why he was like right there

620
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: with Justin and everybody.

621
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Justin and and Brittany.

622
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: The fact that Disney does not bring back Vickey mouse

623
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: Club because they used to bring it back every twenty years. Right, well,

624
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: it's been way past twenty years. The talent that came

625
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: from there, Why would you not bank on just redoing

626
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: that show to create the next super.

627
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: Because like you know, if you argue, but if you

628
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: think about all of the years of American Idol, there's

629
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 3: only been a handful of people that really the voice

630
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: with the most famous judges of all time. I don't

631
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 3: know they've ever really broken.

632
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: And the best talent, but yeah, they don't break any artists.

633
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 3: I'm sure you get this, guys, because if you ever

634
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 3: spend any time in Australia and you know about any

635
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: of these Australian actors, every one of them was either

636
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 3: on a show called Neighbors, yes, called Home and Away

637
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: and two of the worst fucking soap op going to

638
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: see in your life. It's an hour of like two

639
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: people sitting in the room having a cigarette. But every

640
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: if you name a famous Australian actor or actor, they

641
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: came out of that right there, Like that's that's what

642
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse Club could continue to be.

643
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: It's true like the EastEnders in England, Like I feel

644
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: like east in England as a looking back, as you know,

645
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: a teenager. Would you have ever auditioned for a show

646
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: like Mickey Mouse Club? Would that have been your your

647
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: cup of tea?

648
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: No?

649
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean because I was. I

650
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: was never for me. It was all about writing, you

651
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like I was, I overcame my

652
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: fear of like being in front of people so that

653
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: I could sing the songs that I wrote. And I

654
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: always kind of felt like, now, if if I couldn't

655
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: find a career at this, I will just go away quietly,

656
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm not gonna wind up on Dancing

657
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: with the Stars and I'm not gonna wind up somewhere

658
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: else trying to keep it out in the spotlight, because

659
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: I only want to be known for the thing that

660
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: I do. And I was also driven by like that need,

661
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: you know, I was. I didn't know where I was

662
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: going to go. I didn't have any other options, Like

663
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: I was just driven by this need. And then the

664
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: songs like they kind of like it was a snaky

665
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: in its own tail. It was the need created the songs,

666
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: and then the songs created the opportunity, and then you know,

667
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: it just became so much about that that like I

668
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: just didn't have I didn't. I never had enough self

669
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: worth to be like, oh, I'm gonna try out for

670
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: something and get it.

671
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: What made you feel that you had that you were worthy.

672
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: Was there a moment you're like, Okay, I'm good at this.

673
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: No, I mean I'm still working with my therapist on that.

674
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all are.

675
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: You know that's a heart. Work Worthy is a really

676
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: hard thing because you're I think if I equate the

677
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 3: amount of work that I've done, you know, I think

678
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: that if you you know, I've worked really really hard,

679
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: and so there's a certain amount of deservedness that you

680
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: have because you put the hours in. I think that

681
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 3: I'm a good songwriter. I'm plagued constantly by great songwriters,

682
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: you know, by like like waking up one day and

683
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: just hearing something that I'm just like, it looks like

684
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: math again, even though it's just a first and a chorus,

685
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: But for some reason, it's like some sort of weird

686
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: math that I can't get my head just so it's

687
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: just so beautiful, Like when when a Lord came out

688
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: with Royals. I mean you could break it down to

689
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: its parts and you know exactly what it is. It

690
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: sounded like an alien just coming out of the you know,

691
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: because it was so perfect about it. Yeah. I mean

692
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: maybe that's the idea too. It's just never it should

693
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: always be a false horizon that you never quite get

694
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: to because then you're always krying of trying to chase it.

695
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean's true. Would do you remember the first

696
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: song you ever wrote?

697
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I think it was a song called how

698
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: Long Can a Dream Last? And I think it was

699
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: Actually do you remember the when the rock star guy

700
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 3: Jamie Something came on to Melrose Place?

701
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I do actually, which is weird because I

702
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: was more of a nine o two one old guy,

703
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: but I do remember this. Yes.

704
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: Well, I thought was like, you know, as we were

705
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: getting older and we just started to maybe outgrow because

706
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm a little older than you, but like as we

707
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: started to outgrow nine o two one oh ors Place

708
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: was like, oh we're here for you, come on away.

709
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it was graduation.

710
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, a single called how Do You Talk to an Angel?

711
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: Well, because when we all when we all started, that

712
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: was the song that was out because I remember when

713
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: we lived in Germany, Jamie would you know, do all

714
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: the radio shows with us and all that, and we

715
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: always thought he looked. I think he was a little

716
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: like Chris ker Patrick a little bit at the time,

717
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: was it a little bit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

718
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: So basically it was that song because I was It

719
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: took me like all the songs I wrote were just

720
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: bad versions of Lionel Richie songs, right, Like I was

721
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: trying to like write love songs to pick up girls

722
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: because I was a weird kid and I didn't really

723
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: fit in. Like I got along pretty much with a

724
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: lot of groups, but I didn't fit in.

725
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

726
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would like go to these you know,

727
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: like house parties and in high school when like somebody's

728
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: parents would gout town and just we would you know,

729
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: just ascend onto the house and I would have, like

730
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: if they had a piano in the house. I had

731
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: a copy of the line of Richie Greatest Hit Songbook

732
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: on me, and so like I would say, like all

733
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 3: the jocks would like drink and pass out, and they

734
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: would leave me with all their girlfriends and I would

735
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: just playing like Linel Richie songs, just trying to you know,

736
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: my things. Years later, I ran into Lionel Richie at

737
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,719
Speaker 3: a at a hotel and it came over to him.

738
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: I was like man, listen, you know, I just want

739
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: to say hi, and and he was really nice and generous,

740
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: and I said, you know, I got to tell you your

741
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: your songs have gotten me so late, and he goes

742
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 3: me too.

743
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine, just imagine how much sex Lionel as

744
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: created in this world, because it is a lot. There's

745
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: a lot of babies out there because of Lionel lot.

746
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: And you forget how incredible Lionel is. We just saw

747
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: him at my Heart Festival last year or two years ago,

748
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: and I mean love Linel, right, but when when I

749
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: saw him, I was sucked back in. I'm like, oh

750
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: my god, Yes, this is why you're a legend.

751
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: I mean, so many songs.

752
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: What other legends do you love?

753
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: Like?

754
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: What what? What inspired you?

755
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 3: Well? I mean, you know when I so when I

756
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: was growing up, I was in South Carolina, in the

757
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: Deep South, So it was like Willie Nelson and Whaling

758
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: Jennon's and Conway Twitty and like all these kind of

759
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: like tree storytellers. Right, there was something about like these

760
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: guys they lived these really hard lives. You know, they

761
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: were drinking and fighting and fucking and doing drugs. But

762
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: then they wrote these beautiful songs about it. You know,

763
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: it's just weird, you know, dichotomy of these these two worlds.

764
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: And uh, then when I moved to Florida and I

765
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 3: was in like middle school, high school, it was that

766
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: second English invasion. So it was all of these alt

767
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: bands that were coming over from you know, London, and

768
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: we were all Angli Files for a second and like

769
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: and then it was all about that for a while.

770
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: And then you know, I went through the punk phase.

771
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: It was all like Black Flag and Dead Kennedy's. So

772
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: it's kind of like these different you know, phases of

773
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 3: my life. But the consistence no matter what I was

774
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: listening to, you were like Lena, Richie Elton, John Billy, Joel,

775
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: Tom Petty, I was always one. And I mean Willie

776
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: and Willy stayed there as well, and the Stones, you

777
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 3: know that kind of thing. It was all it's still

778
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: just stayed centered around songwriters for me.

779
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just thinking, yeah, you're definitely in this picture.

780
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: And remember the Grammy picture we took with I think

781
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Dave la Chappelle. Oh yeah, it was the big like

782
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: it was tr MTV, t r L put all their

783
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Grammy nominated artists together in one picture. It was the

784
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: only time they did it because it was impossible to

785
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: get all us together. But yeah, you guys were there.

786
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: I believe I think everyone.

787
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 3: I was in there. Yeah, it was Matchbox during that

788
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: time because.

789
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: That was yeah, it was two thousand.

790
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: I believe it was like Diddy and j Lo and Brittany,

791
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: like the four Girls before Destiny went to three.

792
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was, yeah, it was, it was. It

793
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: was a very It was a fun day. But I

794
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: need to put that picture up.

795
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: It used to office.

796
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: Oh well I don't have an office anymore, but that

797
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: was a that was fun day. When do you remember

798
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: the moment you found out you were Grammy nominated for

799
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: the first time?

800
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember my my manager calling me insane. I mean,

801
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: you know, like everybody knew that that Supernatural was going

802
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: to be a big nominated and.

803
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: You're kind of the reason the Latin you know, music

804
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: exploded in the late nineties.

805
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: I think we were like a second wave right of

806
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 3: an exposure because it was it was posting Ricky.

807
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: Martin yeah right, yeah, yeah, Rickyeah, that was that started

808
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: right there at the Grammar. They were like, who is

809
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: this guy?

810
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 3: That'd be an amazing But I think, you know, there

811
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: was a lot of really good songs that year, so

812
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: when it came to songs, it was kind of you know,

813
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 3: and again like you just never really kind of put

814
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: yourself in that thing. I mean, you guys have been

815
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: there before. But I'm sure that when it first started

816
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 3: to happen, you're like, well, it's not going to be us,

817
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 3: Like like you really did think, well, it's pleasure to

818
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 3: be nominated, you know, You're like, it's just nice to

819
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 3: be in the conversation.

820
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're still saying that after nine nominations and

821
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: just yeah.

822
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: My spots has never won anything either. I mean, yeah,

823
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: it felt it felt really good. And what's funny is,

824
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: you know, me and Carlos then we were pretty tight.

825
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: But so did y'all know each other before Smooth or

826
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: did Smooth.

827
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: During that whole year? You know, like according and doing

828
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: all the promo and we did all these you know,

829
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: filming together, so we had spent a lot of time together.

830
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: But now it's funny, like he texted me five minutes

831
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: ago like, well yeah, and he just sends me like

832
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: songs that he's listening to, or new stuff that he's

833
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: working on, or like pictures of him from the road,

834
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 3: you know, like like well, like we're just two old men,

835
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 3: you know, whether our wives are making fun of us

836
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: because we're like up on the road, what are you

837
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: up to? And He's like, I just fucking burned Chicago

838
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: to the ground.

839
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: I love that.

840
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: Would we ever see you guys doing a tour together

841
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: in the future.

842
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: We talk about it all the time. That we have

843
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: is that neither one of us wants to play first.

844
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can do the whole jay Z Beyonce

845
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: thing they did it.

846
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I like I also said that I will

847
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: I'll play first, because it's Carlos like, you know, I'll

848
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: come out and and play first. But then Carlos is like, yeah,

849
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: but I need my two hours, and I'm like, yeah,

850
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: but I need my two hours, like take a four

851
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: hours show. So we're thinking that maybe one offs, but

852
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: the next movie, maybe do a record together. Ye you

853
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: never really did was take a record, like write a

854
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: whole new record of all originals and get put it out,

855
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: you know, but not just like twelve smooths, but you know,

856
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 3: try and see what it sounds like. So we talk

857
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: a lot.

858
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: That would be so incredible and the timing is perfect,

859
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean now is the moment. You know, it's like

860
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: everyone is just really wanting to feel good again, you know,

861
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: and go back just a few years where it was

862
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: felt safe and you make people feel safe.

863
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: I'm like a fucking hug.

864
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are a hug. You are a great hug.

865
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: So this also gave match By twenty some more visibility

866
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: ahead of the second album, and you also change the

867
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: name to match Bucks twenty spelling out twenty. Why don't

868
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: you do that?

869
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: I mean it was more of a joke, like yeah,

870
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: I mean we just we just liked it. We started

871
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: liking it spelled out it looked classier to us, you know,

872
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 3: and we don't that we were like to being compared

873
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: to bands like like Blink or like.

874
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you know.

875
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 3: And but then people didn't get the joke. I remember

876
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,319
Speaker 3: like opening up Entertainment Weekly or something, and there was

877
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 3: like a we were the the like the the dick

878
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: of the week or whatever they call it, you know,

879
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 3: like and the guy was just like, how dare they

880
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: think they would ever be compared? You know? It was

881
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 3: that was the joke. We changed our name from Matchbox

882
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: twenty to Matchbox twenty, Like that was the That was

883
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: the joke.

884
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: I love that. That is so great. Well, in two

885
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: thousand and four Songwriters Hall of Fame awards you with

886
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 1: the first how David Starlight Award. How David for those

887
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: that don't know as a prolific songwriter, I mean, name

888
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: some songs.

889
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 4: I mean he did so much like Leon Warwick and

890
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: I mean everything, walk.

891
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: The pretty much everything that I mean for decades.

892
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, he was the Bernie toppin Yeah, Wes Elton,

893
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: he was that for for Bert exactly.

894
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: Uh, when you knew you were going to get this, uh,

895
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: this award? What went through your head? Because I mean

896
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: you were a songwriter first, and I can imagine you know,

897
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, Songwriting Hall of Fame, you know,

898
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: honoring you with this huge award. I mean you must

899
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: have gone back to when you were a twelve year

900
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: old and be like, oh my god, I did it.

901
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I was. It was. It was the best

902
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: thing since Matchbucks twenty won their first Jammy.

903
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, what's a jammy? Don't know what jammy?

904
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: It was like Orlando Magazine. In Orlando, the the flag

905
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: was jam Magazine, Okay, and so like and every year

906
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: they'd have the Jammys, which is like the local band.

907
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 3: It was like a big deal, dude. They held it

908
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: at the Tupperware Center, so it was you know, pretty.

909
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: Fucking that's legit. That is legit for that. Yeah, we

910
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: were never nominated for for a Jammy jam.

911
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: On the Jammis. We did, we did, but uh so no,

912
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 3: I mean that was obviously it was very cool because

913
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 3: I was in a room full of people that, you know,

914
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: songwriters are a funny breed because some of them we

915
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: all know, and then some of the most famous ones

916
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: you wouldn't recognize on the street. But we were you know,

917
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: so like us there with like Mickey Newberry and all

918
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: these people, and You're just like, wow, this is you know,

919
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: these are my people. So that felt good.

920
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: Looking back at your career thus far, is there a

921
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: moment that just really sticks in your head, You're like, ah,

922
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: that that that is my favorite moment.

923
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: I mean, there was something beautiful about the very very beginning,

924
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 3: you know, the van and trailer time, Like right at

925
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: that Sally Fields, they like me, they really like me.

926
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, But the cheesiest answer of all, I mean,

927
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: like I like, we just got off the road and

928
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: we got along. We had the longest tour you ever had.

929
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: We got along better than we've ever gotten along. We

930
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 3: played the bigger numbers you've ever been playing into. So

931
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: I mean maybe it's now, you know, I mean this

932
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: ability to like work and do my solo thing and

933
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: then be able to work on the Matchbox thing, and

934
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: the fans being generous enough to let me go back

935
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 3: and forth and kind of patient with me, and and

936
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: and being open whatever it is I have to say

937
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 3: in either place, we have to say. You know, in

938
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 3: the case of Matchbox, like I think there's something you know,

939
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: you put so much into something at the very very beginning,

940
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 3: the hope is that you're putting equity into the future.

941
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 3: And so I kind of feel like, you know, anything

942
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: that you and I did that that was happening where

943
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: you were a part of the national conversation for a minute,

944
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: Like that was you buying that currency that you could

945
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: spend later on no matter where you are. So even

946
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: if like maybe we're not a part on, you know,

947
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: of every conversation, now we're just kind of there and

948
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: we're sofied, and we have an initiated group of people

949
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: that care.

950
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: About yeah, and being an icon, Rob be an icon.

951
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: You know what I was looking for I was I

952
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: was gonna say, demi God.

953
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: But okay, it is true. I say a lot of

954
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: the time, my favorite moments were the beginning because it

955
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: was that that hustle, in that fight, and it really

956
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: bonded you with your brothers and you know, you were

957
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: all in it together, just trying to prove to everyone

958
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: like we deserve to be here. And then I can

959
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: only imagine years later, when you know you've established that

960
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: fan base and you kind of do whatever you want,

961
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: that now you tour for different reasons. You know, you're

962
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: grown up, you all have kids, you know, you just

963
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: you just look at life differently. I can imagine it

964
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: goes a little smoother this time around.

965
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean everybody nobody's as precious about, you know,

966
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 3: their ideas as they used to be. It's I don't

967
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: get these out now than we're all you know, then

968
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: the world's going to end or even worse. My idea

969
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: is the only idea that counts. That mentality. Yeah, like

970
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 3: when you guys, what year, what year would you say, like,

971
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 3: was the year that it broke for you guys?

972
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: Well in America nineteen ninety eight?

973
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. I remember going overseas and seeing

974
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: you guys, but also seeing a lot of boy bands

975
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: and singing boy like singing groups out there.

976
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: Oh there were five hundred and I.

977
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: Remember like going back, and they hadn't broken the state

978
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 3: yet at all.

979
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: Like it, there was no such thing as the word

980
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: boy band in the states of them, and no one

981
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: knew what that was.

982
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 3: I mean, the closest thing had been like boys to

983
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: men or.

984
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: Something, right, Yeah, I mean that's who we all idolize,

985
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: like New Kids the decade yea New Kids was I

986
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: guess the last official I mean you would call them

987
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: up because they you know, sing and dance and they're

988
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, white kids without instruments. Yeah, yeah, I.

989
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: Mean that's I mean, yeah, I guess I like singing

990
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 3: group better than I like boy band.

991
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all do. But we're we're trying to take

992
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: the name back, you know, and it's fun. And the

993
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: reason I started this show is I wanted to bring

994
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: all these fandoms together and we're definitely uh, you know,

995
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: expanding who all can be a part of the boy

996
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: band world. And now we're just like, you know, any

997
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: dude in a band, you you know, we consider you

998
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: in the boy band family. Boys to men we have

999
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, everyone is now just a part of this

1000
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: family and we're all having a good time.

1001
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: But I remember, man, I remember like one year, I mean,

1002
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: we're I think it was a Gray Music could have

1003
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 3: been an MTV Music Awards. They all kind of run together,

1004
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: but and you guys, it was one of the places

1005
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 3: where you guys were doing Friday night.

1006
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1007
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: And I remember, like my wife and I are just

1008
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: on our feet, just fucking hands in the air. But

1009
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: I also looked around and so were everybody else, you

1010
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like like there were there were rockers,

1011
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: there were rappers, you know, like I would look at

1012
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: and see you know, like fucking Dave Grohl, just like

1013
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 3: fucking yeah. Like there was a sense of community there

1014
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: that I thought, it is great.

1015
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: I remember that was the Billboard Music Awards.

1016
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: It didn't feel that cutthroat.

1017
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: It didn't feel It's true.

1018
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 3: It was just this moment where you just like you

1019
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: see all these people from all these different genres, but

1020
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: everybody was just kind of like in for the moment.

1021
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: It's true. I'm seeing that right now with Taylor Swift.

1022
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's like we're we're at that moment again

1023
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: where there's not familiar. Well, there's this new artist, she's

1024
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: up and coming, she's you know, she's a country singer.

1025
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: Uh, she's a promising futures, a promising No.

1026
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: But with Taylor, it just reminded me of those incinct

1027
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: days where you just look around and yes, there's a

1028
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: lot of you know, girls and teenagers and they're having

1029
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: the best time, but there's all walks of life. There's

1030
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: like these dudes, and you know, like parents that are

1031
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: just freaking out over Taylor just as much as their

1032
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: kids just having the best time.

1033
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure a handful of problematic dudes as well, of course.

1034
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, there are a few.

1035
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 4: I was, yeah, me, no, Yeah, I was sitting next

1036
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: to one boyfriend who just was sitting down the entire

1037
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 4: time on his phone.

1038
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: He could tell he really wanted to get into it.

1039
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: But was just yeah, he was trying to land cool. Yeah. Looking.

1040
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: We traded bracelets. Okay, okay, you trade friends, have friendship braces.

1041
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: Who do you think is doing it right right now?

1042
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: Who's one of your favorite artists?

1043
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 3: I mean doing it right is obviously Taylor Swift.

1044
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: I think, I mean I can't get more right than

1045
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: her right now.

1046
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: Because a new artist. Her name is just Rosie and

1047
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: she's just really about to come out. She's a beautiful,

1048
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: beautiful writer. I really like I'm a big like. I

1049
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: love like Florence in the Machine and like Nathaniel Weightlift.

1050
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: I love my Morning Jacket. Yeah, Okay, I guess I

1051
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: guess everybody I like is still over forty.

1052
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: We got our likes, you know.

1053
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: Now.

1054
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: You released the album Where the Lights Go, Where the

1055
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Light Goes, the first Matchbox twenty album in over a decade,

1056
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: back in May. What's it like making music and performing

1057
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: with the guys twenty years later?

1058
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: I mean it's been easier, ye, Like we we kind

1059
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: of thought at some point that we were done making records,

1060
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: Like I was making solo records. Kyle'sman working solo stuff.

1061
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: Paul has been doing film scoring and television scoring, oh yeah,

1062
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 3: and so we were all kind of doing these own things,

1063
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 3: and we kind of thought, well, maybe every few years

1064
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 3: we'll get together, will tour and maybe put out a song,

1065
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: and that'll just kind of be what we do. And

1066
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 3: then so we're gonna go out in twenty twenty, and

1067
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: then you know, in twenty twenty and twenty twenty.

1068
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: One, and then I don't remember that year happen.

1069
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a blur.

1070
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two. Everybody was kind of going out, but

1071
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: I wasn't ready yet. My wife was still not well,

1072
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: and Pooky, our bass player, was not feeling well. He

1073
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: had had some immune problems. And so that was the

1074
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: year that we felt bad because we knew that other

1075
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 3: people were out and it was it was kind of

1076
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: just us. And so that's when we decided, well, let's

1077
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: just if we're gonna we were gonna work all summer anyway,

1078
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: so why don't we get together and make a record.

1079
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: And it just kind of was born out of that,

1080
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: but it was super easy, like we didn't really have

1081
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on it. We'd started off with

1082
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: let's let's just put some songs together. I had took

1083
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: some songs that I was gonna work on, and I

1084
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 3: had a solo record kind of all planned out with Atlantic.

1085
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 3: It was gonna come out right after the tour, and

1086
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: so I kind of put a hold on that and

1087
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: took some of those songs and we all just kind

1088
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: of started throwing in songs, and it turns out we

1089
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: had a record easy. We just had to make it.

1090
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: So it was kind of you know, it was just

1091
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: a different thing, Like it wasn't that weird. We're all

1092
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: gonna you know, move in like a boot camp and

1093
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: live in a studio for six months and you know,

1094
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 3: bleed this record out and you know, and hurt for it.

1095
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 3: It was kind of like, we're all gonna get together

1096
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 3: every couple of weeks and you know, sometimes it'll be

1097
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: the two of us, and sometimes the two of us

1098
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: and sometimes the whole group, and you know, and then

1099
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: we're gonna do stuff in our own studios at home

1100
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: and just kind of build it up. And it was like,

1101
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: oh shit, it's done. Look at that.

1102
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, that's so nice. Of your entire disciography. I

1103
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: think it might be three AM because you talked about

1104
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: this earlier. But what is what are you most proud

1105
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: of writing? Man?

1106
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 3: That's a hard I mean, that's a hard thing. I

1107
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: think three Am I weave a lot of credit too,

1108
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 3: because it was the first song that I thought was

1109
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: a good song that it wasn't just like I wasn't

1110
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 3: writing from the outside and I was writing from the

1111
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 3: inside out. Yeah, So that's and that was a song

1112
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: that like Paul heard and that's what made him answer

1113
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: this ad in the paper to come be our drummer

1114
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 3: at the time.

1115
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: Wait, that's how okay, So yeah, how did I don't

1116
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: think I asked how did you all get together? Yeah?

1117
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: How did you?

1118
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1119
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: I mean me?

1120
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: You know, Pooky was in was with us from the

1121
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 3: very beginning. He was had just graduated from University of

1122
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: Miami and was living in Orlando, going to Full Sale

1123
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 3: in Orlando, Orlando, and had joined He knew the two

1124
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: old guitar players. Paul answered an ad in a in

1125
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: the in Jam magazine.

1126
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: Did he know?

1127
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: Did he have a m There's gonna be like a

1128
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: Netflix series of like a period piece of nineteen ninety

1129
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: five at Jam magazine.

1130
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: Mag It's like it's like it's like a rolling stone,

1131
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: only the stakes aren't quite so high.

1132
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, we gotta get that bad.

1133
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 3: We can't do well.

1134
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: Oh you know.

1135
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: The funny thing is, so Paul, don't answer that ad.

1136
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: He was our drummer in Maxbox twenty for twelve years,

1137
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: and then we fired our guitar player, Adam, and then

1138
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: Paul became our guitar player. Now he's been our guitar

1139
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 3: player since like two thousand and three or something like that. Wow,

1140
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: twenty years now our guitar player instead.

1141
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: Wait, why don't y'all have to fire the guitar player?

1142
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 3: This wasn't working out? Yeah, I mean to go Yeah,

1143
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: I mean the like we tried everything. The four of

1144
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 3: us were just we were we were a certain kind

1145
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: of single minded unit, and he just wasn't sharing any

1146
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 3: of the kind of stuff that we were, you know.

1147
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any particular like rituals or

1148
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: habits to get into that creative mindset?

1149
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 3: I uh, I mean little weed never hurts.

1150
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, lots of good writing on weed.

1151
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I like it. You know, it's funny. So

1152
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 3: I come if I'm doing in my studio, like I

1153
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: like to clean everything, Like I like everything to kind

1154
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: of be in a nice orderly place before I sit

1155
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: down at the piano and like just start writing, you know,

1156
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: especially if I'm gonna smile the weed, because I'm just

1157
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: like everything.

1158
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: Like now you like O. C. D. Clean or just

1159
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: like I just need things.

1160
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 3: It's it's a little both. Like One of the things

1161
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: is that I you know, the writing for me is

1162
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: more it comes at like really inconvenient times. You know.

1163
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: It's usually like you lay in bed and you're about

1164
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: to fall asleep and this idea comes in and you

1165
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: know that you know you're not gonna remember it. Like

1166
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 3: everybody always says a couple of misnomers, right, They always say, hey,

1167
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 3: you're the songs that come quickly are the are the

1168
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: best ones, And that's not always true. Sometimes it takes

1169
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: you forever to find that right chorus or that right

1170
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 3: next verse. You know, the lyric and also the idea

1171
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: that like, if it's good, you're gonna remember it. Like

1172
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 3: that's you got to record everything. And it's because a

1173
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 3: lot of times, like you sit down and you write

1174
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 3: down an idea, like a lyric idea, but then you

1175
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: forget the melody that came with it, and then it's

1176
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: useless without that. So like sure we all have just

1177
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 3: voice note after voice note after voice note after voice

1178
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 3: note of like me is sane?

1179
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 4: I mean Lance pretty much every night Lance like will

1180
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 4: wake up in the middle of sleeping and it's pull.

1181
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: Out, this is such a great idea. I'm definitely gonna

1182
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: remember tomorrow. I don't need to go write at my notes,

1183
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: but I'm like, nope, I will never remember this, so

1184
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: I will like wake up put it in my notes.

1185
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: Chedburg that We're like you lay in bed and you're

1186
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: just so tired that you try to convince yourself it's

1187
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 3: not that good of an idea.

1188
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, it's good, but like, am

1189
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: I really going to do something with this? So I

1190
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: really need to remember this the next day.

1191
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 2: But then the next day I kind of a really

1192
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: good idea, but I can't remember it.

1193
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 3: I've had times where like I'm not like especially like

1194
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: if I have a couple of, you know, glasses of

1195
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 3: wine and then I go to bed, I jump up

1196
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: really quick and I get on the voice note and

1197
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: I kind of forget my surroundings and I'm like, I

1198
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 3: just wakes up like the houses on fire.

1199
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: That is great. Since you're such a great writer, would

1200
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: you ever attempt to write a musical?

1201
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I've been talking about that. So there's

1202
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 3: there's two things right now. There's a producer what the

1203
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: guy who directed Jersey Boys actually and i'may the guy

1204
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: who wrote Jersey Boys is writing the book for uh,

1205
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 3: I guess it kind of it's it's a jukebox musical

1206
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 3: of mine and matchbox songs. Okay, nice, but it takes

1207
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: place and like it's a play within a play, and

1208
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 3: it's kind of like this done like a like a

1209
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: Greek chorus kind of it's you know, it's it's pretty.

1210
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: Yes, I love that because your songs are I mean,

1211
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: you're a storyteller. You do remind me. And you can

1212
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: tell you grew up with country music because you know

1213
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: country just that's a story, right, and with all your songs,

1214
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: like you just really just lay out this beautiful, like

1215
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: visual story that you can just see. So I could

1216
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: definitely see your music being turned into a jukebox musical.

1217
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, man. I mean, you know, there's there's a

1218
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: there's a line in Push that's it's it's in the

1219
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: second verse, like it says a like don't just stand

1220
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: there say nice things to me, And that's a very

1221
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 3: country kind.

1222
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: Of a line.

1223
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, you know, I mean.

1224
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: Like because you can't forget another way to say it,

1225
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 3: so you just kind of say it. Yeah, that's the

1226
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: best way to do it, you know, especially if you

1227
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 3: use a lot of if you use a lot of

1228
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: colorful language, you know, and a lot of metaphors and

1229
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: a lot of and then all of a sudden you

1230
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: throw in just very plain spoken something. It really hits

1231
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 3: a lot harder. I think that's the country what I want.

1232
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: I love it. Give us a frost to tip on

1233
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: what advice you would give to aspiring musicians today and

1234
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: this crazy music landscape.

1235
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I think again, my understanding of the business

1236
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 3: world is probably not the best one to take it from.

1237
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: I think anybody over fifty is not necessarily because because

1238
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: I have great advice on how things used to be

1239
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 3: and how things used to work. But I would say

1240
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: that I still believe that no matter what you're doing,

1241
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 3: no matter how you're coming at it, the content you

1242
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 3: know matters. And I think you know, if you're coming

1243
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 3: in and you're you need to have a good song.

1244
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 3: With my son's band is really really good. They're a

1245
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: better band than I was at that age. But you know,

1246
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: I always tell them, you just need that one song.

1247
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 3: And the funny thing is, if you have the one song,

1248
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 3: these other songs retroactively will do better because they're following

1249
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: by that one good song. You know, like these songs

1250
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 3: right now, you don't have to change anything about them,

1251
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 3: and they might not be hits, but if you have

1252
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 3: this one hit, they might become hits because all of

1253
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: a sudden they'll be looked at different, they'll shine a

1254
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: different light on or something.

1255
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how you look at it, but yeah, people,

1256
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: I find it.

1257
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: The song, the song, the song is always is always

1258
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 3: key in music anyway.

1259
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: And then you have that dreaded sophomore album up.

1260
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, prove everybody wrong. Just take your take your album

1261
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: you're working on right now, throw it out, write another one.

1262
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: There you go, and uh, I always say, you know,

1263
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,879
Speaker 1: for new artists, don't worry about trying to win over

1264
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: the world. Just try to win over your fan base, like,

1265
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: create that little fan base and it will grow. If

1266
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: you're authentic, they will find you. They will find you.

1267
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 3: Can you guys, imagine like when you're starting out and

1268
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: you're doing well already, right, but then you look over

1269
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 3: and you see like, you know, fucking Nickelback or something,

1270
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: and you're like, you know, I want a little bit

1271
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 3: of that too, And then all of a sudden you're like,

1272
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 3: you're not Nickelback, but you're not in sync, and then

1273
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 3: like what are you? You know, because you're trying really

1274
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: hard to like chase after markets as opposed to like

1275
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 3: do what you do really really well and bring that

1276
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: initiated group of people and then then foster a relationship

1277
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 3: in love with them and it'll grow out from that.

1278
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Nickelback, Oh my gosh, that was another Orlando band. I

1279
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: know Chad lived in Orlando. It's Canadian, right, I don't know,

1280
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: but I know they lived in Orlando. I don't know why.

1281
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 1: But why do you think they got so much ship

1282
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: for a while there? Like because they were like it's

1283
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: the joke about Nickelback.

1284
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: I was glad when they did because people left us alone.

1285
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: Like this fantastic.

1286
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: Matchbox was Nickelback before Nickelback, and so soon it says

1287
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: the kind of like, yeah, fuck those guys. So you

1288
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: started this, I mean I think you know as well

1289
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: as anybody man, Like, there's a certain level of success

1290
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: that once you achieve it, you were you're such an

1291
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: easy target.

1292
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah of course, you know. Yeah, as much as you're loved,

1293
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: you're going to be as hated as equally.

1294
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's easy for people to punch up you

1295
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 3: got of course.

1296
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1297
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: So they see that and it's like they figure, like

1298
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 3: there's no real harm to anybody there.

1299
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: Exactly with your son's bands. The Lucky right is your

1300
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: son's How much influence did you have on this band, Like,

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00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: how much are you helping him? Is this something that

1302
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: you loved for him to get into or were you

1303
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: kind of like I kind of hope you don't go

1304
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: into music or be a front man.

1305
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: You know. I believe them enough to pay for Berkeley,

1306
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 3: for him to get to Berkeley. In of this four years,

1307
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: he just he did all the right things with it.

1308
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: He practiced all the time, He became such a phenomenal

1309
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: guitar player. He started to really become a gearhead, like

1310
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: he just you know, like he would go like to,

1311
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 3: you know, get a ticket to John Mayer, and John

1312
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: would go meet him at the gate and bring him

1313
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 3: back and he would just like geek out over John's rig.

1314
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: You know, just.

1315
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: What is this?

1316
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 2: You know?

1317
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? And so I'm really really proud of the work

1318
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: that he puts into it, and he and he works

1319
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: really really hard still. And so when he came out

1320
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: and he moved out to LA with his band, I

1321
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 3: think probably the worst parental advice, but the best advice

1322
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: to a young artist was I told him not to

1323
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: have a backup plan. You know. I was like, if

1324
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 3: this is what you're doing, go a thousand percent in

1325
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 3: get yourself a waiter, gig, get something you know, it's

1326
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 3: gonna pay your bills, and then spend the rest of

1327
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 3: the time putting everything into the into the band. And

1328
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: it's going to take a minute, you know, for that

1329
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: to pay off, but it'll be it'll be worth it

1330
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: because I figure the worst case scenario is that I'll

1331
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 3: have him on my couch for a little while when

1332
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: he's thirty.

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Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't mind.

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00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 2: That, listen. Yeah, I'll love our kids when they're thirty

1335
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: to come.

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00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some fan questions here. Well

1337
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: E four nine to eight already asked would you ever

1338
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: do a duet of Push with Ryan Gosling? And yes, Ryan,

1339
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: give us a call. I'm sure he's listening right now.

1340
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: All right, how does it feel to have your son

1341
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: following your footsteps from Mary Beth. I'm gonna be kind

1342
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: of touched on that, but yeah.

1343
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 3: I mean so, you know, another fun fact about my son.

1344
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,479
Speaker 3: I have a private gig coming up in a couple

1345
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: but then I have a few more coming up, and

1346
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: then I'm going to start on the new solo stuff,

1347
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 3: you know, after Matchbucks gets back from Australia. When we

1348
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 3: do that, my son is actually going to be the

1349
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 3: guitar player in my solo band.

1350
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh that's all.

1351
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: And talking about great experience, you know, because.

1352
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: He's he opened up. We just did the Hollywood Bowl

1353
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,959
Speaker 3: and he has been opened up for us when we did.

1354
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: The whole That's awesome.

1355
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

1356
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, ar guitar players just got tired of being

1357
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: on the road, and so I called him up and

1358
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 3: asked him if he wants to take over. So he's

1359
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna move into that spot.

1360
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Speaker 1: So I mean, how proud of a dad were you

1361
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: to see your son opening up with the Hollywood Bowl?

1362
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it was an amazing feat.

1363
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 2: Yes for anyone by the way.

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01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 3: So in thirty years, that was our That was the

1365
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: last box to check off, right, Like we had done

1366
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 3: everything from the Will Turn to to h Troubadour to

1367
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Speaker 3: the Staples Center, the Forum, you know, the Greek back

1368
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: when they had a universal amphitheater, like we played all

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Speaker 3: the good stuff. We've never done Hollywood Bowl. Yeah, technically

1370
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 3: he played it before I did.

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah he did.

1372
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 2: He did.

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01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: That is again like you we played every venue but

1374
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: that uh, and I go to the shows there all

1375
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: the time, and I'm like, God, this would be so

1376
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: nice magical venue. Man, I can't.

1377
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: Believe it took us that long, but there is. It's

1378
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 3: something that was very beautiful and special about being there.

1379
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw Dolly Parton there a couple of years ago,

1380
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: just and Reba McIntyre. We just saw Janet Jackson. I

1381
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: mean just there's some and it's great. And because you

1382
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: have to change your show a little bit there because

1383
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: the stage is smaller and you can't bring in your

1384
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: full set, so you know, you have to put on

1385
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: your own a different show at the Bowl.

1386
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 3: It's like that that white band show creates its own atmosphere,

1387
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 3: you know, it becomes the light show is the actual

1388
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 3: you know.

1389
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: And the fireworks that you can put in there. Janet

1390
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: had some crazy fireworks. I've never seen anything like that.

1391
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: That was Jesus, what's came up to? Says whose idea

1392
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: was it? To put a camel in the real world

1393
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: music video?

1394
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 3: Originally it was an armadillo, But you can't an armadillo

1395
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 3: can't make it through the gutters.

1396
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: On a bowling alley, Okay, I I yeah, I mean why.

1397
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 3: We needed one or the other? Like why, I don't know, man,

1398
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 3: It's turtles all the way down. I don't know what

1399
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 3: to tell you.

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01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 2: I love it, naturally get a camel exactly.

1401
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: Well, Rob, it was so great to uh talk to

1402
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: you and really dive into your life. You're You've had

1403
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: such a phenomenal career, and I feel like this next

1404
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: chapter is even going to be bigger, and I'm excited

1405
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: to see what is great for you solo with Matchbox twenty,

1406
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: I can. I'm so happy that your son is about

1407
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: to start taking off. I mean, your your life is good. Oh,

1408
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: by the way, I want to ask, how did you

1409
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: meet your wife?

1410
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 3: She uh came to see a show in Montreal at

1411
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: a time where I was more famous than she thought

1412
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 3: that I was, but less famous than I thought that

1413
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 3: I was, and her like friend had drug her to

1414
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 3: a show. She didn't really know anything about me, and

1415
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 3: I got her number and then went to Europe and

1416
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 3: just talked to her every night on the phone, and

1417
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 3: then just fell in love with her and got we

1418
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 3: got married. We got engaged on our first date. Well

1419
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: you know, I told her on our first date we

1420
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 3: were gonna get that I was gonna marry, And then

1421
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 3: like a month later we got engaged, and then a

1422
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 3: year after that we got married and then that was

1423
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 3: five years ago.

1424
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a good love story. Before we let you go,

1425
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 1: what can we are? Do you do you have time

1426
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 1: to watch TV at all?

1427
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 3: I do?

1428
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: Okay, is there anything that we need to be like?

1429
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, what are you watching that reality show?

1430
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 3: Can we talk about? Are you? Are you guys? Have

1431
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 3: you guys called it with the Bear? No?

1432
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: No, but everybody talks about that show.

1433
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bears. We need to catch up.

1434
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, mine and I were watching Miracle Workers, that Daniel

1435
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 3: Ratcliffe show that it's a different season. It's like a

1436
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 3: different point in history every season.

1437
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard I've heard of that, but now I

1438
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: haven't seen that one yet either, The Great The Great. Yeah, wow,

1439
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: you're giving us some good recommendations because I feel like

1440
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: we watch every single show and I've not seen any

1441
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: of the shows you mentioned. Yeah, so this is good.

1442
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: Some of the best I have somewhere. I have like

1443
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 3: a sticky that I just send to my friends of

1444
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 3: like this is you know, on HBO, and like it

1445
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 3: goes all the way back to like fucking Breaking Bad.

1446
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: You're like you you know, because I'm like my mom

1447
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 3: just watched Breaking Bad for the first time.

1448
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: It was a good one. He still hasn't seen the

1449
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: full Yeah, I'm seen it heavy.

1450
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 4: This is how bad I I never watched it when

1451
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 4: you were watched it, and then I decided I watched

1452
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 4: it when you were watching an episode one day and it.

1453
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 2: Was the finale.

1454
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: You watched the finale first.

1455
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: It's the only episode I've seen was the finale.

1456
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh man, the Downton Abbey rabbit Hole.

1457
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yes, so good.

1458
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 3: I went to a movie theater with my wife right

1459
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: when that last movie that came out, and I was

1460
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 3: like the whole time, I'm like, you know, I'm gonna

1461
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: go and I could watch this at home. It's fucking down.

1462
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: I didn't need to see it in theater. Yeah, And

1463
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 3: an hour later I'm sending a theater like just so beful.

1464
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: I mean, that's it was so good.

1465
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 1: It's so great. One of our good friends is the

1466
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: Irish guy on the show, the one that was the

1467
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: ballet that married one of the whatever.

1468
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: Our friend, Alan Leach.

1469
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: He plays the uh uh Branson.

1470
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, he's uh. He's great. He just lives

1471
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: down the street and there they have kids kind of

1472
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: like the same age as ours, so we have a

1473
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,479
Speaker 1: little play group and stuff. Look at it and Rob,

1474
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: it was so great to see my man. I hope

1475
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: you have an incredible day when you're back in l A.

1476
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: I definitely want to come see you guys. Do y'all

1477
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: have any plans on touring California?

1478
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 3: I know right now. We so we just got off

1479
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 3: the road. It was like fifty four dates. It's like

1480
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 3: the longest done and so we're, uh, we're barring a

1481
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 3: couple you know, corporate and other you know, kind of

1482
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 3: like charity gigs. We're doing Australia in February and we'll

1483
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 3: be there for like a month, and then after that

1484
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 3: I'm kind of like right back into solo world. So

1485
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 3: I'll reach out to you when I get back out

1486
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 3: there on solo World.

1487
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: I would love that. And we're we're looking forward to

1488
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: the solo album for sure. So uh yeah, we're we're waiting.

1489
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: We're waiting. The world is waiting, Rob. All right, man,

1490
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: Well you have a great day, all right, yeah, exactly,

1491
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: all right, all right, we'll see you later and we'll

1492
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 1: catch up with you next time.

1493
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: Good to see you, all right, you two man?

1494
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: What a horrible nasty guy. Worst interview God, what a legend.

1495
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: I made a legend.

1496
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 2: What a great I was gonna say it again, that's.

1497
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: A nice I mean, you know, I wouldn't say we're friends,

1498
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 1: but we've definitely been around each other.

1499
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: No, I just loved his vibe.

1500
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 4: He's always cool and the whole man, the whole now,

1501
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 4: and he's never looked better.

1502
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: I was gonna about to say, at what the hell

1503
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: he he looks good. He does has not aged a day.

1504
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: I feel like he's gotten hotter.

1505
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: He's differently good looking. Yeah, yeah, like something like something's

1506
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: in the something.

1507
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 4: Because yeah, well for some people, yeah, some people got

1508
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 4: like the well water or.

1509
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: Not to cheese comes out of yeah exactly. But the

1510
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 1: lovely guy, you know, and the whole band is who

1511
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: was the match Mark's twenty member that we would always

1512
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: go over to, uh uh Leah Black's house. Is that

1513
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: Matt Or that was Brian Maybe, Oh you're right, which

1514
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 1: one get but one of them? I remember that's that's

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Speaker 1: who taught me how to meditate for the first time. Remember,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I just can't meditate my brain just

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, no, I'm the same way,

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Speaker 1: and the way you do it is you go back

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Speaker 1: to the same place in your head, and it's like

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Speaker 1: people like us.

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Speaker 2: It was like a major ad. You go back to

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Speaker 2: the same plate and.

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Speaker 1: You build one little thing in this little world every

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Speaker 1: single time, and you just slowly build it, and then

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Speaker 1: you know, over time this world gets bigger and bigger,

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Speaker 1: but you just focus on this one little you know,

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Speaker 1: and mine is an ice world.

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Speaker 4: I guess just all and when I when one of

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Speaker 4: my times in therapy, I did the same thing. But

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Speaker 4: it's like imagine like your ideal like out forest park

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Speaker 4: that is just.

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Speaker 2: Your own, and you go in.

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Speaker 4: All you do is just keep looking around the park

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Speaker 4: and notice something different and build a beautiful like here's

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Speaker 4: gonna be a waterfall, there's gonna be a flower.

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Speaker 1: I have lots of igloos in my town, like a lot,

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Speaker 1: but they're like great igloos. And I have lots of

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Speaker 1: animals that don't really they're not supposed to live in

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Speaker 1: Arctic areas.

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Speaker 2: But it's a complicated brain of yours.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's very Zootopia.

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Speaker 4: But let's say it's like your Farmville game, Heyday game,

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01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 4: but in your head, Heyday's so fun. We can't go

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Speaker 4: down this rap, we can't I'm gonna end it right here,

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 1: That is all the show we have for you. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening. Everyone, have a great day,

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Speaker 1: because it is a great day to have a great day.

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Speaker 1: care of all those little animals and the remembered. Hey,

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