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Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, Emily a body here.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to another episode of Hurdle, a podcast

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Speaker 3: featuring the mindset, secrets, and true stories of the most

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Speaker 3: inspiring women in sports and wellness, empowering you to live

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Speaker 3: a healthier, happier, more motivated life and of course, conquer

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Speaker 3: your own hurdles.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode.

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Speaker 3: I'm thrilled to sit down with a powerhouse athlete who

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Speaker 2: Anna Gibson is not only.

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Speaker 3: A professional runner for Brooks, she's also a newly crowned

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six Winter Olympian in ski mountaineering, or schemo

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Speaker 3: as it is affectionately known in the mountains. Anna's journey

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Speaker 2: Now to reiterate.

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Speaker 3: Anna is also a professional runner for Brooks and there

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Speaker 3: she also leads an unconventional path, running both on the

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Speaker 3: Trials in the fifteen hundred meter. In other words, Anna

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Speaker 3: curiosity and joy, the sky is a limit. In our chat,

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Speaker 3: How reframing failure followed Anna to embrace new challenges with

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Speaker 3: and her Plan B philosophy, how having multiple passions and

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Speaker 2: And with that, let's get to it. Let's get to hurdling. Today.

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Speaker 3: I am sitting down with Anna Gibson. She is a

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six in Milan in the schemo on a Gibson.

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Speaker 2: How are we doing today?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing super well.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean, it's been kind of crazy coming back

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Speaker 3: Which is so funny because back home now, but shortly

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Speaker 3: in front of me that I will do the best

441
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 3: I can with what I have.

442
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think like a big realization that

443
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: I came to also was like, Okay, I'm maybe not

444
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 1: the best at transitions, like that is definitely my weak point,

445
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: but like I just got third place at Trail Running

446
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 1: World Championships, Like I have fitness that some of these

447
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: other athletes don't have that like they're working hard to get.

448
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: And so it was just this like realization and awareness

449
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,719
Speaker 1: that like I was behind in one area, but that

450
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: didn't mean that I was behind overall, and like, you know,

451
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: we all have our strengths and weaknesses, and that like

452
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: the reason that we go to these races and we

453
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: push ourselves in race against other people is to like

454
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,919
Speaker 1: you know, figure out like where we all match up.

455
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: Like that's the fun part. And so we don't know

456
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: that going in, and so I just kind of like

457
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: tried to get curious about like, Okay, well, how can

458
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: I use my other strengths to like kind of overcome

459
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,159
Speaker 1: the weaknesses that I have.

460
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 3: What I'm hearing you say is that you looked at

461
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 3: your discomfort even when it felt challenging, as an opportunity.

462
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: Totally, yes, And I think I like I reframed that

463
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: at one point, you know, somewhere along the way, and like,

464
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 1: at first it was terrifying to think about how unprepared

465
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: I was, and then it got really fun and I

466
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I'm actually just really curious, like how

467
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: much can I improve by the time the Olympics come around,

468
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: Like and knowing that I would be as good as

469
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: I could have been at the Olympics because I had

470
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: been training so hard and like working so hard in

471
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: this like mental state, but also knowing that there's like

472
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: still such a long journey, Like I have so much

473
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: training I can still do to like become better at

474
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 1: this sport. I have so much to learn and so

475
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: much experience I still need to get. And I think

476
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: that part is like genuinely just so exciting, like I

477
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: get to go find that out if I like continue

478
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: to try.

479
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, if I continue to try, which clearly you're doing.

480
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: You also brought up a great point that you have

481
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 3: this really special level of fitness because of the other

482
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: training you're doing. There's no doubt that running is complementary

483
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: to the endurance that schemo requires. But what else would

484
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 3: you say about your background as a professional runner really

485
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: lent itself to this windr Olympics experience.

486
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Speaker 1: I like this question. I think a really big one

487
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: that people maybe don't fully pick up on or would

488
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: think about, is that there's a lot of tactics in

489
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: schemo similar to tactics on the track. And I remember

490
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: in my first mixed relay at the World Cup race

491
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: in Solitude where Cam and I qualified the US for

492
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: the Olympics. I like, in the first forty five seconds

493
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Speaker 1: of that race, there is so much jostling because like

494
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: twelve women go off the start line at the same time,

495
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: and you're all elbowing each other because it becomes turney

496
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: and there's like obstacles that you're going around, and so

497
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: everyone is trying to be on the same line at

498
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: the same time. And like there's a lot of tactics

499
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: in figuring out where you want to be in the pack,

500
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: and like are you going to go out hard? Are

501
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: you going to you know, go out easier and save

502
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: some for the end. And just like the positioning was

503
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: something that I actually felt really comfortable with, and I

504
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: think that that would have been like a moment of

505
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: total panic if I had not racetrack, but instead I

506
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, like I love this, like I do this.

507
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: This is fun, you know, like I got all excited

508
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: about just like kind of the elbowing and the tactics

509
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: and like just the competitive element of the race. I

510
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, raising the fifteen hundred, which is like

511
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: so tactical really translated for me.

512
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: It's so interesting as well, because yes, tactical elbows flying

513
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: in both, but in Schemo you have skis on. Like

514
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about how different it is when all

515
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: you have to do is navigate your body weight versus

516
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: when you have to think about all the things that

517
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: are flying around you in this other competition.

518
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of moving parts and also like

519
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: things that can break other than your body, which is

520
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: just like a lot to think about. You know, like

521
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: you don't want someone to step on your pole because

522
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: you might be in a place where you can't get

523
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: a poll given to you and so like you don't

524
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: want to break any equipment. It is all pretty fragile,

525
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: and so, yeah, you're thinking about a lot of things

526
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: when you're like jostling with people. But fortunately, I think

527
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of that came natural to me just

528
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: from yeah, skiing my whole life, and yeah, doing lots

529
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: of different types of ski racing over the years.

530
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Speaker 3: What would you say is one piece of advice for

531
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: the hurdlers, and that's what I call my listeners out

532
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: there who feel like they have to put themselves in

533
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: a box to be successful at one thing.

534
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Speaker 1: I would say just that you have to sift through

535
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: the people that you look up to, but that there

536
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: are lots of people out there who are proof to

537
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: you that you can be outside the box, that you

538
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: can do all the things that you want to do,

539
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: whether that's like being an athlete and something else, you know,

540
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: starting a business, having a family, Like there are so

541
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: many things that you could do simultaneous to your career,

542
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: your athletic career, and there are people who are demonstr

543
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: that all around you that I think, like can just

544
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: be an inspiration.

545
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so keep your eyes open and really be willing

546
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: to have some grace with yourself along the way, is

547
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: what I'm hearing.

548
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

549
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: I also appreciate, as you echoed so beautifully before, this

550
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: acceptance of being a beginner and maybe not being the

551
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: best at everything, that you brought a little bit of

552
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: that playful energy with you when you went to the games.

553
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: Talk to me about how that played out in real life,

554
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: bringing the play into the scheme of things, especially with

555
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: your teammate.

556
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yeah, I mean we were there, it was obvious,

557
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: like which other athletes there were enjoying themselves and which

558
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: ones were not having the greatest time. I think I'm

559
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: really proud to have left the Olympics feeling like Cam

560
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: and I had the best time possible, Like it would

561
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: not have been possible for us to have more fun

562
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: than we had. And I'm really fortunate to have a

563
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: teammate who was on board with like that being our

564
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: race plan, just just like go out and enjoy it

565
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: and have as much fun as we could. I think

566
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: we were able to keep things really light because we

567
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: both have some similar perspective, and for me, especially like

568
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, showing up to the games and knowing

569
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 1: that like I had not even dreamt about that opportunity

570
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: a year before, was like, Okay, I've already done it,

571
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: Like there's literally nothing to lose, and so I just

572
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: want to go out and I want to have the

573
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: best time and I want to have a huge smile

574
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: on my face and let people know that I'm like

575
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: so happy to be here. And I think Cam, like,

576
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: while he's been racing Schemo for the last ten years

577
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: and is like way more integrated with this circuit than

578
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I am. I think he just brings like a very

579
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: similar approach to the way that he competes all the time,

580
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: Like he just is in it for the same reasons

581
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: as me, which are like to enjoy yourself and to

582
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: bring people along for the ride and connect with people

583
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: along the way, and yeah, just have fun with it.

584
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Speaker 2: Would you say that that's what makes you a good teammate.

585
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: I mean, he could have chosen anyone, right, He's a

586
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: veteran at this point, but he made the conscious decision

587
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: to ask you to go at this the first time

588
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 3: that Schemo has been in the Winter Olympics.

589
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: I do I think it's a combination. I think it's

590
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: like the fact that I show up and I'm generally

591
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: racing with a huge smile on my face, and I'm

592
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: not that intense in that environment. And then simultaneously the

593
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: fact that I'm also extremely competitive, where like I don't

594
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: budge when when it's time, like in the race, I'm

595
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: extremely focused. And Caam has watched me compete a ton

596
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: and he knows that about me, that like, I am

597
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: going to give it everything that I have. And I

598
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: think he knew that I would do that at the

599
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: World Cup so that we could try and make it,

600
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: and I knew like he knew I would do that

601
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: at the Olympics too, and I will keep doing that

602
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: anytime that we race together.

603
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes when you hear that that I am someone who

604
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: both is a fierce competitor and also knows the importance

605
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: of finding the joy, you hear that and you wonder

606
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 3: if those two things can always exist.

607
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 2: Do you believe that they can?

608
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: I think that they can always exist. I mean I

609
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: think that in our athletic journey as individuals, like there

610
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: will always be moments where you feel less competitive than others,

611
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: or moments where like you are having less fun than others,

612
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm not always on cloud none and super stoked

613
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: on life and on my race and all of that,

614
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: and I'm not always like just so focused and so

615
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: locked in like it's it's a constant process. But I

616
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: try to put myself in positions where like those two

617
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: things can both be maxed out at the same time,

618
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: because that's where like the magic happens for.

619
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: Me, max out on effort and max out on joy.

620
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 3: We talked earlier about the lactic building up in between

621
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: your goes during the race. Let's talk a little bit

622
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: about how you recover in the middle of your two effort.

623
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: What does that look like in practice during a schemo race.

624
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I will say I'm still refining this because

625
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: I have only done it a handful of times. What

626
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I did at the Olympics was that I took my

627
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: skis off, and there's lots of things that kind of

628
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: need to happen to like reset before you go again.

629
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, your skis come off, and we have

630
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: a wax tech there who if there's like treatment that

631
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: needs to be done on the skis, they'll do that

632
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: and then also do treatment on the skins, and so yeah,

633
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: sometimes they're like applying a little bit of wax, they're

634
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: brushing stuff out, like making sure everything is good to go,

635
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: and so there's a couple of minutes that are like

636
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: put towards that, and then I like just put a

637
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: coat on and I walked around and I tried not

638
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: to pay attention too much to what was going on,

639
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: but was like looking at them up there, like, oh

640
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: my gosh, we're doing amazing. This is crazy. And then

641
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: after the wax tech is done kind of doing their

642
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: thing with our equipment, like we will refold all of

643
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: our skins and put them back in the pouches that

644
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: are on the front of the race suit, and so

645
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, yeah, letting the heart rate

646
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: come down. I take in a little bit of nutrition,

647
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: So I like took some Morton drink mix in the middle,

648
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: and then yeah, I just walk around and get ready

649
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: for the next lap. Goes by really fast. It's wild minutes,

650
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: but it feels like maybe three at the most.

651
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: Out the most.

652
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: And it's a through line here, because yes, we're talking

653
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: about recovery in the middle of this super intense race.

654
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: But then we also gave this example earlier about going

655
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: from Broken Arrow to the Olympic Trials, so you've had

656
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: to really learn a lot about the best way to

657
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 3: recover your body because you are someone that likes to

658
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: do it all.

659
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: This is true. I've become an expert in recovery.

660
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: When we then take that other example of the broken

661
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 3: Arrow to the Olympic Trials, duo there, what did that

662
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: time period look like for you?

663
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: Those six days in between competition?

664
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: Gosh, not much happened. I mean I did have to

665
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: travel from California. I was in Tahoe for Broken Arrow,

666
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: and I had to travel up to Eugene for the trials,

667
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: and I took a over and Bend. Actually, I like

668
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: spent two days in Bend and kind of just like

669
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: let my nervous system calm down. That's somewhere I was

670
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time at that point and had

671
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: like a comfortable place to stay, and it was just

672
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: like some friends to go get coffee with and go

673
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: for an easy run with, and just was like a

674
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: very mellow place to kind of yeah, reset and check

675
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: out from the racing world. And then I like check

676
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: back in when I got to Eugene, and I was

677
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: staying with a bunch of Brooks teammates there and so

678
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: I just yeah, jumped straight from like Brooks Trail right

679
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: into the Brooks Beasts, and it was like this very

680
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: seamless experience. But honestly, like not much happened from a

681
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: physical standpoint, Like I did a couple jogs here and there.

682
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: I might have done like one super light workout just

683
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: like a couple speeds and things. But yeah, it was

684
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: more just about like kind of making sure that I

685
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: had a chance to like decompress in between the two events.

686
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: You bring up a really important point, which is the

687
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: nervous system recovery. The mental recovery. Is this something that

688
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: you've always had a handle on of how important it

689
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 3: can be to your overall performance.

690
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: It's something I've gotten a handle on, I think towards

691
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: the end of my time in the ncable A, I

692
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: was like picking up on this like other thing that

693
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: was going on with my body in my mind that

694
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: like it was not physical, that like I had these

695
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: crazy lows like after really big highs, and that that

696
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: was just something that like I needed to like give

697
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: myself and I needed to schedule time for in order

698
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: to like then get back to training faster and like

699
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: be able to go up again. So I was sort

700
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: of starting to pick up on it in college and

701
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: then as I've been a professional. I think it's become

702
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: really obvious because I put so much into these events

703
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: that I'm competing at that like it's just like simply

704
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: not sustainable, Like I can't put that much in and

705
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: then think that I'm just going to come out the

706
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: other side the exact same and just be able to

707
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: keep pouring out of the cup that's half empty. And

708
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: so I'm like, I'm honestly really proud of this journey.

709
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: Like I think now I have this like very good

710
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: handle on the fact that like depending on the intensity

711
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: of the race experience and I'm not talking like the

712
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: race itself, but like everything else outside of that, like

713
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: the you know, the people that I interact with, and

714
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: like the media exposure and all of that, like and

715
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: how much I care about it, and like what happens

716
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: to your hopes and dreams after you complete this thing

717
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: depending on like the size of those things, Like the

718
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: length of this period of like feeling a little bit

719
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: off is longer. And so it's been actually like quite

720
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: big after the Olympics, to be honest, like this has

721
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: been a crazy time coming off of that high and

722
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: just like yeah, figuring out like how to kind of

723
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: like bring my nervous system back down and just like

724
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: get back to like regular regular life. But that's honestly,

725
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: like one of the parts that I really love about

726
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: this whole journey of like doing sports. It's just exciting

727
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: and you never know exactly what to expect and you

728
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: always have to just be adapting to it.

729
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: What has that looked like for you in practice, recognizing

730
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: that yes, there are still things that need to happen,

731
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: and you also need to take time to give back

732
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 3: to yourself so that you can then come back and

733
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 3: fill up your cup again.

734
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: I think people in my life who like watch we

735
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: go through this would have a better answer for you

736
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: than I do. But it's lots of like getting really

737
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: excited about things and I'm being like, oh wait, I'm

738
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: really tired, and I don't really want to do that,

739
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: and like it's just this like every day is different,

740
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: Like I had this crazy energy sometimes and then other

741
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: times I'm like I don't really care, I don't really

742
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: want to do that, and so just like riding that

743
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: out until it's like back at this like steady line

744
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: where like okay, I'm good now, like I'm ready.

745
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: You were talking about how in college there were some

746
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: struggles that you had participating in the NC DOUBLEA, and

747
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: some would go through those hardships and make the decision

748
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: that they don't want to continue. What was it about

749
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: running and sport altogether that encouraged you to persist on

750
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 3: even when things weren't always going as you'd hoped.

751
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest thing for me was in

752
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: those moments of like feeling really low and like being

753
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: really frustrated with how running was going, or frustrated that

754
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't run because I was hurt. I just had

755
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: this like awareness that well, it's bad right now because

756
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: I can't run, and so like when I can run,

757
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: it's going to be great again. And like it just

758
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: felt like, well, stepping away from running isn't the answer,

759
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: Like then I'm gonna have to go through all these

760
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: other things, like giving up this sport that I'm obsessed

761
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: with and that's so fun and brings me so much community,

762
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: Like that's not the answer, because deciding to not do

763
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: it just means that I'm gonna have other things that

764
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: I have to overcome, Whereas like if I just stick

765
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: with it, then eventually I will get back to that

766
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: joy that I like miss so much, and so I'm

767
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: going to keep taking that path, and then like the

768
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: next time it happened, I'm like, yeah, like taking that

769
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: path was so worth it last time, because look at

770
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: all these things I did since then, And it just

771
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: does this kind of snowball effect of just continually opting

772
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: in because I just knew that there was like more

773
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: for me with the sport, and I'm so glad that

774
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: I did because it has turned into like incredible things

775
00:37:51,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: that I could have never imagined as a college athlete.

776
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 3: Talk to me about the path to becoming a professional,

777
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: What did that look like for you?

778
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: Oh gosh. I mean I would say it looked like

779
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: it was never a given. And I think that that's

780
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: something that college athletes need to hear, Like I think

781
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: they hear stories where they think that they have to

782
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: be the star in order to eventually be a professional,

783
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: and that is just not how it really works for

784
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Like some people are stars. Some

785
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: people it's just like easy and perfect and they know

786
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: it's going to work out, and others like take the

787
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: craziest paths to becoming professional athletes. And I would say

788
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: mine was somewhere in the middle, Like I did sign

789
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: a pro contract right after I raced to NC double

790
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: A's my sixth year of being in the NC Double A.

791
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: And so it worked out great. Thanks to Brooks for

792
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: like connecting with me and believing in my dreams and

793
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: just like being excited about me going in all these

794
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: different directions with my athletic career. But I also like

795
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: never knew that that was what was going to happen.

796
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: Like I always had questioned like am I good enough?

797
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, like are my results enough to get a

798
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: pro contract? And it was just like I was always

799
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: trying to simultaneously prepare, like maybe it will happen, but

800
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: also maybe I'm going to go work in like a

801
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: law office doing environmental law, which is what I got

802
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: a grad degree in. Like I was always trying to

803
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: like balance it and make sure that I had options

804
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: because I did not know that the running thing would

805
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: ever come together for me.

806
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: It's so interesting to think about the two schools of thought,

807
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: which are a go all in and be relentless on

808
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 3: what excites you and then be if you don't have

809
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: a plan B, then you don't have a plan right,

810
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: And you're someone who was able to be a bit

811
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: relentless but mostly adopt if you don't have a plan,

812
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: B you don't have a plan when you think about

813
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: that mindset, when you think about your choice to be realistic,

814
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: would you say that worked for you?

815
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it worked for me, and

816
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: I guess I should also add like me deciding to

817
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: put a lot of energy into school and like prepare

818
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: myself for a potential other career was not just because

819
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: I wanted to prepare myself and because I was worried

820
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: that running would not work out. Like I also felt

821
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: in that moment very passionate about that path and like

822
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: where I was going with it, and honestly I still do.

823
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: Like it's just this chapter that's like closed and it's

824
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: on the bookshelf, but it will come back out at

825
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: some point and I will probably like work in that

826
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: space because I'm passionate about it. And so I kind

827
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: of just was like I was leaning into the excitement

828
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: and I felt like I was going all in and

829
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: it just so happened that I was like simultaneously preparing

830
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: myself for like very different career paths, and so it

831
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: definitely worked out. I'm really glad that I like let

832
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: myself just kind of like be a little confused and

833
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: just be like okay, Like I guess I like these

834
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: two things. We'll see which one happens, like the moment

835
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: that I graduate and whichever one. You know. Like, honestly,

836
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: if I if I had come out and I had

837
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: finished my time in the NCAA and I had gone

838
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: into like working in environmental policy in some way, like

839
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure I would still be running. I'm sure that

840
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: I would still have found my way to being a

841
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: professional athlete, Like it all would have worked out. And

842
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: so I think that's just like, that's the message I

843
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: want to convey, is that you can simultaneously prepare for

844
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: things you don't know when they're going to happen. If

845
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: you believe that you can do something, you can and

846
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: you will.

847
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: You can and you will. I love that. I love that.

848
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: And it's not only talking about going toward environmental policy

849
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: or running. Even within running, we have many choices, which

850
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: isn't a conventional path either. Talk to me about your

851
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: decision to simultaneously train both on the trails and on

852
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: the track.

853
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's funny because this never really felt

854
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: like a decision for me, Like it was just always

855
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: what I wanted, and I just didn't know if it

856
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: was possible like to fit that into like the outside factors,

857
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: where like I had just always questioned if a brand

858
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: and would support me in doing that. But to me,

859
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: like running is just running, and it had always been

860
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: that way. Like in high school, my track team would

861
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: literally go run on trails to like do our warm up.

862
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: We'd show up at the track, which was like right

863
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: at the base of a mountain, do a track work out,

864
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: and then like go back to the trails, or we'd

865
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: like go mid season, we'd drive up to Granteetown National

866
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: Park and we would like do this eight mile trail

867
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: run around Jenny Lake, which is like stunning and where

868
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: people go on vacation. And it was just like that

869
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: was my experience always, like track and trail were one

870
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: and the same, and I could train for both at

871
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: the same time. And I just never saw any reason

872
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: why that couldn't be true. And so I was just

873
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: really grateful to like, yeah, connect with Brooks, which saw

874
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: the same thing as me, and was like, Okay, why

875
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: don't we try it? Why not?

876
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: Why not? Why not me?

877
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: It's so it's so cool, And again it's what you

878
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: were exposed to right, So it's no wonder that you

879
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: had this hope, this dream that you could do both,

880
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: because it's what modeled for you from a really young

881
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 3: age coming up in sport.

882
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: Totally. Yeah. I mean also just I think I have

883
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: to give a big shout out to the people who

884
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: like helped me see that, like you could do both,

885
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: and you could do anything, and you don't have to choose,

886
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people who like try to

887
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: preach that specialization is the answer, but there are also

888
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: people out there who believe the things that I do,

889
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: which like that definitely got modeled to me, and so

890
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: I'm really grateful for the people who kind of like

891
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: illuminated that path.

892
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: If you had to choose, could you.

893
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean I have kind of

894
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: stepped away from the track a bit at this point,

895
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 1: like I'm not sure if I'll come back to it

896
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: or not. I'm kind of just like feeling right now

897
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: very excited about trail and Schemo and other ski projects

898
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 1: and racing my bike and all sorts of other things,

899
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: and so Jack has kind of taken the back burner.

900
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: But I don't think that you could pay me a

901
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: million dollars to do one sport and just like, like

902
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: I just I burn out so fast. I'd be over

903
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: it so quick. And I think that just like it's

904
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: really good for my mental state to just be constantly

905
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: trying to learn new things and mixing it up.

906
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 3: I love how she throws racing her bike into the mix, like,

907
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: let's just add another modality.

908
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: Why not? You know? I love it? I love it well.

909
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you've achieved this dream for so many yourself

910
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: included of becoming an Olympian. So now that you've checked

911
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 3: that box, how do you redefine success for your upcoming

912
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: trail season?

913
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: Wow? I mean I've been thinking a lot about the

914
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: upcoming season and just trying to figure out exactly what

915
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to gain from it and decide whether that's

916
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, more results, or decide whether that's places I

917
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: want to go in the world or people I want

918
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: to race against and race with, or if it's just

919
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: like simply the experience of like doing it. And I think,

920
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, coming off with something like the Olympics and

921
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: on off of just like the trail year that I

922
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: had last year of just having like one breakthrough after

923
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: the next, and like a lot of really high level

924
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: performances that I did not expect for myself to happen,

925
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: like all in succession. I think that I'm just like

926
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: kind of in it for like the love of it

927
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: this season, Like I just want to go to races

928
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: that excite me and things that are really interesting, and

929
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of like, I don't know, taking maybe

930
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different path than most people

931
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: would expect. But I'm really excited to do some races

932
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: in the US. Like I haven't raced in the US

933
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: that much because I've been competing on the Golden Trail

934
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 1: World Series the last few years and been super committed

935
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: to that, and I've spent a ton of time over

936
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: in Europe, and I'm like really curious about going back

937
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: to some of my favorite races, like the Rut or

938
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: Pike's Peak. I'm going to do Broken Arrow for sure,

939
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: but I just kind of want to, like, yeah, experience

940
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: what we have to offer here in the States, and

941
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: I'll go race in Europe probably a little bit as well.

942
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 3: I really appreciate your affinity for curios I think that

943
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 3: it's something that is easy to get lost, especially when

944
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: we're being a bit complacent. But for you, it seems

945
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: as though curiosity and joy truly are truly two of

946
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: your guiding values.

947
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: Would you agree?

948
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: I think that's for sure true. I also just think that,

949
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: like the guiding principles have to be things that are

950
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: like renewable resources, and I think that curiosity and joy

951
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: are two of those things. And so I think that

952
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: they're like things that I've built my entire athletic career

953
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: on where I'm like, one, I don't do things that

954
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to do, so that's joy, and two

955
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: like I do whatever crazy ideas come into my head

956
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: obviously within reason, and I have a coach and I

957
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: have people who like weigh in and tell me that's

958
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: insane or that's a good one. But I yeah, I

959
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: do think that curiosity is like a really big part

960
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: of it for me, and it's never going to end.

961
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: Like everything I accomplish is going to make me curious

962
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: about like what more, like what else? You know, what

963
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: other different direction can I take to like try out?

964
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 3: It's interesting because I guess overarching, you don't do things

965
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: that you don't want to do, but there are going

966
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: to be things that you don't want to do that

967
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 3: are a part of your training now.

968
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: Honestly, no, like I don't. I just don't train like that.

969
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: Like if there's something that I don't well, I don't know,

970
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: I should say, like my coach and I my I'm

971
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: coach by David Roche, and he has very very similar

972
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: principles as me, and so he never gives me training

973
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to do. It's always things I want

974
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: to do, Like I don't run more than I want.

975
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: I get to do all sorts of stuff like if

976
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: something comes up and I'm like, oh, my friends are

977
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: going to do this cool adventure and I want to

978
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: be a part of it, Like I will just go

979
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: do that, and it is always celebrated by him, like okay,

980
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: And so I don't really feel like there's things in

981
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: training that I don't want to do. I like don't

982
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: do them.

983
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, And I also appreciate you bringing up

984
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: David Roach because not only is he your coach for running,

985
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 3: but you also worked with him for SCHEMO.

986
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, which is honestly incredible because he's not

987
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: a skier and so he is like coaching so far

988
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: beyond his personal experience, and I mean that's also just

989
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 1: a testament to like how much of a science man

990
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: he is, Like he understands physiology and he understands me,

991
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: and he's also like an incredible coach for the mind,

992
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: where like a lot of what I've learned as a

993
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: professional has been from him because he's just been like

994
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: such a good mentor for me.

995
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: Some people would hear that he coached you for the

996
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: Olympics and think that that's absolutely ludicrous. Where did your

997
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: faith come from in this decision?

998
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: Definitely just in the fact that, like I could have

999
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: gone and found a coach who knows more about SCHEMO

1000
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: specific training, but they would not know me, and that

1001
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: like knowing me and like exactly how I work and

1002
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: exactly the year that I've already had that the Olympics

1003
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: was getting like stacked on top of was really really important.

1004
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: And also like that I just take this like long

1005
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: game view where I'm like, yes, i was training for

1006
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: the Olympics, Yes I was training for SCHEMO, but I'm

1007
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: also just training for my life, Like I'm also just

1008
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: training to be a better athlete, and like David has

1009
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: the whole picture, whereas somebody else would only have this

1010
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: like tiny little snapshot of a handful of months, and

1011
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: I just don't think that there's any way in which

1012
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: that would have been the answer for me.

1013
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: When you say be a better athlete, what do you

1014
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 3: consider to be encompassing of better? And by that, I

1015
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 3: mean what would you say are your goals in becoming

1016
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 3: your best self?

1017
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: What does your best self look like?

1018
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: Anna, Oh, that is a massive and terrifying question. I

1019
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: think I want to be a very well rounded athlete,

1020
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: and I want to be a well rounded person, and

1021
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: I think that probably comes through in, you know, the

1022
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: exploration that I've done of different disciplines and types of

1023
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: racing and sports and all of that. But like, being

1024
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: a better athlete to me does not just mean winning

1025
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: the big trail races in the world. It means like

1026
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: also being able to race my bike and like hold

1027
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: my own in a professional women's gravel field. It means

1028
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: going to the Olympics and competing for the US and

1029
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: figuring out how to do schemo better. It means like,

1030
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, going to Jackson Hole Mountain Resort with

1031
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: my friends on a Saturday, and like just becoming a

1032
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: better skier and like working on my skills and just

1033
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, following my friends around who are all crazy

1034
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: athletes themselves and just like learning things from them. Yeah,

1035
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: I just I want to be like well rounded, and

1036
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: so I don't think that it comes from any particular

1037
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: performance outcome. It's really just like a feeling in my

1038
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 1: body of like gaining competence in every category that I'm

1039
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: able to.

1040
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 2: It's beautiful.

1041
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 3: You came in fourth in the mixed relay in Milan.

1042
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: With that said, I recently chatted with Caroline Mark. She

1043
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: got the gold in Paris during the Olympics in surfing,

1044
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: and she previous to that, in the first Olympics where

1045
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 3: surfing was a part, came in fourth herself. Her takeaway

1046
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 3: from that experience was that coming in fourth is arguably

1047
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: the most difficult mental position to come in co sign

1048
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: what do you think.

1049
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 1: I appreciate the perspective and also hearing that, because yes,

1050
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: it is difficult, But I also think that I am

1051
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: definitely like the happiest fourth place finisher at the Olympics

1052
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: that there ever was, because I would never have imagined

1053
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: that that would be the outcome from this schemo journey

1054
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: and I am like so thrilled with being fourth place.

1055
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: Like there is I think we see this massive gap

1056
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: between third and fourth because one is a metal, one

1057
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: is a podium, one is not. But ultimately it's like

1058
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: the same gap as between first and second, which everyone

1059
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: celebrates equally, I mean, maybe not quite equally. Let's say

1060
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: second and third. Like it's it's just a gap, you know,

1061
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: It's just the same as like any other position. And

1062
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: I'm like so thrilled with fourth. We like way outperformed

1063
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: what anyone expected of us, including ourselves, and so I

1064
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: am like so so thrilled with it. And I think

1065
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: that like it's just showed me that, like the sky

1066
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: is the limit, Like wow, I hope I come back

1067
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: and do what she did, Like I want to work

1068
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: hard for that.

1069
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: I want to work hard for that.

1070
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: I love that now someone comes to perhaps your social

1071
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 3: media page, they see an athlete both on the track

1072
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: and the trails, as well as on the meltin. But

1073
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: when you look in the mirror on a what is

1074
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: it that you see looking back at you?

1075
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I just see a person. And I think

1076
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: that's like a realization that I kind of went through

1077
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: with this whole Olympic experience that, like everyone at the Olympics,

1078
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: like from the outside, they look like celebrities, they look

1079
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: like the most insane athletes you've ever seen. They look

1080
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: like someone who's so different from you, And then when

1081
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: you're there, you're like, oh wait, I'm just a person

1082
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: and I'm here and I'm doing this really cool thing

1083
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: that's super fun and incredible, and like realizing that everyone

1084
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: else is just the same as you, like that was

1085
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: just really cool for me. And so yeah, I mean,

1086
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: I don't see myself any differently after the Olympics as

1087
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: I did before. Like, I'm just I'm just on I'm

1088
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: just still me. I'm just doing what I love to do.

1089
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 3: Just doing what I love to do, lacing up my sneakers,

1090
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: throwing on some ski boots and calling it a.

1091
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: Day, exactly simple.

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Speaker 3: I actually also really appreciate and I want to just

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Speaker 3: hop on this before I let you go today, the

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Speaker 3: mental side of things that it seems that you've really

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Speaker 3: dialed in on over the last few years. What is

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Speaker 3: it now that you have come to appreciate about your

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Speaker 3: mental game that maybe you didn't have a firm grasp

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Speaker 3: on when you first started.

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Speaker 1: I think maybe just like my awareness of all of

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Speaker 1: these things, like I feel like I was just fumbling

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Speaker 1: through the motions, just like not really aware of what

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Speaker 1: And now I'm just like so aware of these things,

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Speaker 1: Like I feel like I have like conversations about them

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Speaker 1: inside my own head where I'm just like I know

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Speaker 1: how to coach myself really well. I know how to

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Speaker 1: kind of like talk myself through the things that get

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Speaker 1: hard because I've seen them happen before, and I just

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Speaker 1: have like learned my own mental landscape and I have

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Speaker 1: like a map where it's like things might go wrong,

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Speaker 1: but I can always get back to where I need

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Speaker 1: to be.

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Speaker 3: The last question for you today, right now, you have

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Speaker 3: an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice. Let's

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Speaker 3: go back to that difficult time you had in the NCAA,

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Speaker 3: thinking about is this is as good as this is

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Speaker 3: going to be and going through those moments of injury

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Speaker 3: and set back. Knowing what you know now, Anna, what

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Speaker 3: advice would you give to your younger self going through

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Speaker 3: that Hurtle moment.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think we talked about this a little

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Speaker 1: bit already, but I would just boil it down to

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Speaker 1: you know that your moment will come, and that's it

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Speaker 1: because you just do it. Sometimes you just know and

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Speaker 1: it will come.

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Speaker 3: And it will come, and when it comes, you'll be

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Speaker 3: ready for it. I love that.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for your time today, Anna. For

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Speaker 2: those that.

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Speaker 3: Aren't following along with you just yet, give us your info.

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Speaker 3: Where can we find you online?

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Speaker 1: The best spot is probably just on Instagram, which is

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Speaker 1: my name's Anna Gibson with an extra A on the

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Speaker 1: end of Honor, an extra N on the end of Gibson.

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Speaker 3: I'm over at Emily a Body and at Hurdle Podcasts.

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Speaker 3: Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.