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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving week. I wanted to share an episode of the

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast that you may have missed. It's really good.

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Speaker 1: It is Luke Combs. I mean, obviously, Luke's having a

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Speaker 1: only been at it like five years. He was just

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Speaker 1: named Entertainer of the Year. He just landed his twelfth

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Speaker 1: consecutive number one. Speaking of Thanksgiving, he just performing a

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Speaker 1: halftime show at the Cowboys game. So I wanted to

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Speaker 1: share the episode that I did with Luke Combs last year.

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Speaker 1: It is very biographical. That's why I think it's really

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Speaker 1: cool to hear. We talked about him growing up in

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Speaker 1: someone who told him, I don't think you're ever gonna

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Speaker 1: be an artist. So check it out and be sure

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Speaker 1: you're subscribe to the podcast. I hope you subscribe, and

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Speaker 1: I hope you rate us. Soon we'll have Keith urban

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Speaker 1: On and Tanil Towns. But here's my conversation with the

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Speaker 1: current Entertainer of the Year, Luke Combs. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to episode with Luke Combs. Good to see it. I

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Speaker 1: know he'd been home in a while, so I appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I got a text from me like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I take an hour to get here. Yeah. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: gets a decent way because you text me. I finished

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Speaker 1: working out and I was like, oh, looks, Luke's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell off all the way And then I didn't realize

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Speaker 1: Did you were actually able to buy some landing and yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was probably just about a year ago. So I've

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Speaker 1: been in my house just over a year now. So

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Speaker 1: does it feel like home? It does? It does now

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Speaker 1: just don't expect it to be that expensive. Not only that,

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Speaker 1: but you think that like, Okay, well, if I'm going

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand, especially for a nice one, right,

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Speaker 1: my rooms a few, are you in most of your owns? Nope?

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Speaker 1: Not at all, And I don't want to leave them

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Speaker 1: then they're like, this is how much a bed costs?

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Speaker 1: You can't. Refrigerators suck? Refrigerators are mind just broke reasently,

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Speaker 1: it's broken like four times since I had it. Did

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Speaker 1: So the car that you bought been broken four times? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a refund or something. So you did the last couple

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Speaker 1: just to do. And it's not insanely expensive or anything. Um,

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00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: it's just like a series of firewalls. I'm just saying firewalls,

427
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: like I know what that is, by the way, and

428
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 1: that just sounds like the thing that it should be.

429
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 1: So and they sound scary. So I was talking to

430
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 1: Ronnie Dunne. Him and I become pretty good buzz in

431
00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: the last six months or so, and he and I

432
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 1: didn't know this story, but he credits you with pretty

433
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: much making that whole reboot album for them happen. Yeah,

434
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: I've heard that. So here's a little bit of a

435
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 1: brand New Man with Luke and Brooks and Dunne. Here

436
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 1: you go. So how did this come together in your mind?

437
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: The story I've heard is so their manager, Clarence Spalding

438
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: is friends with my manager Cappy, Uh, the guy that

439
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: cried on the show. Um, and we were at a

440
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,959
Speaker 1: show I believe it was at Joe's Bar in Chicago. Um,

441
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: probably three years ago or so. UM. We we had

442
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,479
Speaker 1: a show there and um, Clarence had come or he

443
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: was in town or something, and it linked up with Cappy.

444
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: Cappy was there and he came and watched the show

445
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 1: and stuff, and we did that cover a brand New Man.

446
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 1: And I talked about in the set how much Brooks

447
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: and Done meant to me and how much they had

448
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: influenced my career and I had no idea of Clarence

449
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: was there, um, but I I had just been doing

450
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: that every night, Like, hey, I grew up listen to

451
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: these guys. They've really shaped the music that I want

452
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: to make and things that I want to do. And

453
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: I guess that kind of sparked the idea within him, like, hey,

454
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of other artists around my age

455
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: that grew up listening to Brooks and Dunn. Um which

456
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: is you know which happened to be the truth. If

457
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: you were to Mount Rushmore artists, which is four and

458
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: we'll do we'll do We'll do five total, five of

459
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: your life after country, they can if they can be

460
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: freaking any they can be Mozart anyone. Yeah, you get

461
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: to Mount Rushmore because and as you think, I'll just

462
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 1: kind of walk you that would put Garth John Mayer

463
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 1: on mine. I put bin folds that put so it

464
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 1: can be. It can be from wherever you want. So

465
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: who would be the first artist on your Mount Rushmore?

466
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: Like like influence or like you just there no not

467
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: raw talent, but influence you Your favorite? Probably Elton John

468
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 1: was where I would go first. Sure, John all right,

469
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: Billy Joel, are you a piano player? I'm not. First. Yeah,

470
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: they're so keys there. There's just like just the songs

471
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: are so great. I've always loved keys. I'm not smart

472
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,239
Speaker 1: enough to play piano, I don't think. Um, I'm just

473
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: been honest with myself about that. I've tried and it's

474
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: just not there. You know, I'm not a big technical musician, um,

475
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: which is why I'm just able to strong enough chords

476
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: to write songs and and play a couple of them

477
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 1: at the show. But it would definitely be those guys,

478
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, Tom Petty, Petty, Tom Petty for sure, Brooks

479
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: and Dunn would be on there for me. One spot left.

480
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: That's tough. That's tough, man. That's hard, you know, because

481
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: I you know, I did go for spots really quick. Um,

482
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of who I just I mean,

483
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: there were so many different phases of my music listening

484
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: since since that age. UM, I would, Man, it's hard

485
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: for me to go against an edge hearing at this

486
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: at this stage, I just think the amount of work

487
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: that he does, the size of the tours that he does,

488
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: the quality of everything he puts out in the volume

489
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: is just pretty staggering, and there's not really anybody doing

490
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: much like that. Have you met Let's just kind of

491
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: go back to your first people. Have you Metton John?

492
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: I have not. I'm gonna a low key flex here.

493
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: He kiss me on the mouth once. That's awesome. It

494
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: was the greatest. That's so cool. I was sitting next

495
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: to him at a charity event. He was showing me

496
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: the pictures of his kid. He just adopted his kid,

497
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, these are pictures more And he's going

498
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: up to play like two hundred people there and he's

499
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: like all right, and he goes out a planey grabs

500
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: in my head and just planting on my face. I

501
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: was like, that's freaking amazing. You're like whatever I'm in.

502
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm in whatever you want, whatever, man, I would have

503
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: done the same thing. Have you Billy Joel? I have

504
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: not met Billy Joel. Favorite Billy Joel song, scenes from

505
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: an Italian restaurant. That's my favorite bbility. That's how you

506
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: know you're a hardcore Billy Joel fan. Yes, because that

507
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: song is it's all over the place. I mean, I

508
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: feel like it's I feel like it was three different

509
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 1: songs that he just kind of. I think I think

510
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: I've heard that story, but maybe I mean, I might

511
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: be making that up. Don't quote me on that. But

512
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: I've not met Billy Joel. I would like to. I

513
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: have a lot of friends that are big Billy Joel fans,

514
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: and most of them picked this as their favorite. Now me,

515
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm a middle of the road. I've seen him through

516
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: four times and I would always go with Listen if

517
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: you if piano manage your favorite, which is one of mine,

518
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: you're not as hardcore. Yeah, yeah, I love piano man,

519
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: I love it, but you're a hardcore. Like if you

520
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: come to me and you say your favorite John Mayer

521
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: song his Daughters, I'm like, you're not a hardcore exactly

522
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: like you can be the middle of the road John Mayory,

523
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: but no real John Mayor fan picks Daughters or or

524
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: bubble dealm tongue when you pick as Okay, So those two. Um,

525
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: Tom Petty, have you seen the five hour documentary? I

526
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: have not, and I want to see it. You can't

527
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: watch it in one setting obviously, And just have this

528
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: like thing that hurts my heart a little bit about

529
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: Tom Petty because I know we hated country music and

530
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 1: that hurts me a lot. So somebody was in recently

531
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: talking about oh Ronnie Dunne talking about him and Tom

532
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: Petty because Tom Petty was like a was like a

533
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: punk guy. He he talks about Tom Petty when he

534
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: met him as being a guy guy who was playing

535
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: punk music. But I just think there is a a

536
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: misunderstanding to a lot of people at what country music means,

537
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: certainly because I think Tom Petty would be a country

538
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: artist now. I agree with that statement, yes, because it's

539
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: such a broad term now, and to and to dislike

540
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: something artistic because of a taste you have of it,

541
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: I believe is unfair. It's like saying you don't like bread.

542
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: It's such a huge thing. There's so many different car cheese,

543
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: you know which I'm currently vegan, which is horrible. But

544
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: what do you mean currently currently? It's odd that someone

545
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: just goes for a minute, I lost a bet. I

546
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: lost a bet. It's it's a whole thing. Lost a bet,

547
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: given a charity a lot, you know, it's like a lifestyle.

548
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: It is a thing. I mean, it's like it'll definitely

549
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: be beneficial. You know, Um, who did you bet with

550
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: my my keys player? And what was your side of

551
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: the bet though, head Okay, so it's it's this is

552
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: the oddest, very oddest seed into a bet. So I'm

553
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: a big Caroline Panthers fan, huge die hard. I was

554
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: leaving in Charlotte. Where was I cheering for the Panthers

555
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: in the first year, you know? And he's a big

556
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons fan. So we play each other twice a

557
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: year in the same division. Obviously there's a lot of

558
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: pride involved. At the time of the bet being made,

559
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: the Panthers were five and two. I don't think they

560
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: won another game. Was this pre Cam getting hurt? No,

561
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: this is Kyle Allen had won three straight I think

562
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: Cam was out in the second game or first game. Um.

563
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: But Kylinen came in won three or four straight games. Um.

564
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, we're gonna smash the

565
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: Falcons because they were two and eleven by the time

566
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: we played them. They were two and eleven and and

567
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: so I was like, and the Falcons just absolutely destroyed,

568
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: like dismantled the Panthers, like beat us. I think it

569
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: was like thirty four to seven or something. But of

570
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: all the terms of a bet, he picked you being vegan.

571
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: If he won yes, yes, well I hadn't made that

572
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: bet previously with Cappy. So with the Panthers played the

573
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Panthers won and Cappy had to shave

574
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: his beard off where I had to go vegan. Luckily

575
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: I won the vet the bet. But it's like to me,

576
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: it's like there's nothing like really fun about like betting

577
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: money on stuff. You know, why is somebody picking you

578
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: to go vegan? Like that's two different people with the

579
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: same bet. I think they see me in there, like

580
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,479
Speaker 1: this guy loves eating red meat and going hunting and

581
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: doing which is a true statement, but I think it's

582
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: something that like people think that I can't do, you know,

583
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: like they're like, no way he can do that, And

584
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm like a super prideful guy. So I'm I'm only

585
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: on day three. I'm having how long? Three months? Oh?

586
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 1: You bet three months on a single game? And what

587
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: was his law? If? Okay? So he's like, what's happening here? Well, so,

588
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: so he's bald, but he has he can grow like

589
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: the I call it the path, pap the circle. So

590
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: he keeps his head shaved and wears a hat. His

591
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: bat was he had to grow his hair out for

592
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: three months and couldn't wear a hat. So it was

593
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: a very extreme. So it had to be like he

594
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: had to match that with something that he felt was

595
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: equally as extreme and better on one game, better on

596
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: one game. We almost doubled down on the second game,

597
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: which I'm glad we didn't because we lost that game too.

598
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Then what happened? You don't eat for three months? I

599
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: just gand it and and nothing. I think it would

600
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: have been six months a vegan at that point. And

601
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: have you noticed your body being any different? It's only

602
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: been three days. I'm definitely not as tired sitting watch

603
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: you become a v and like like Rick Rubin vegan,

604
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: that happened. That happened to my, uh my utility player.

605
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: Are you just eating no vegan or you no belts

606
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: you live in the lifestyle or what? No, I'm not

607
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: living the lifestyle. I'm not living there like no, Like

608
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm I would go hunt tomorrow if it was hunting season,

609
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm definitely not buying into the like you know,

610
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: we usually send everybody home with the rack of ribs,

611
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: but I guess we'll just you could do like a

612
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: rack of like lentil or something like that would be great.

613
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: So we got on that fronts a funny bet though

614
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: we went Tom Petty to veganis Um. Yeah. And again

615
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: if Tom Petty were around now and making new music,

616
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: he would be on that rock guitry cusp definitely. And

617
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: I think had you know as a kid, when you

618
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: were singing songs, was it country music for you or

619
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: was it a mix of a little like what was

620
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: it in your mind that you wanted to sing because

621
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: you were singing? I was singing and it was when

622
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: I was living in Charlotte, it was country, that was

623
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: it was country, and like my parents were listening, so

624
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: like my mom loved like Tom Petty, John Mellencamp, that

625
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: kind of was the kind of stuff my mom loved.

626
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: My dad loved led Zeppelin, the Who I mean those

627
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: were classic on the radio type. Yeah, but mostly listening

628
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: to country radio at that because my mom loved country too.

629
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: She grew up listening to that as well. And so

630
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: at that time, I was, you know, you mostly go

631
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: around with your mom when you're a young child. You know,

632
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: dad's working or he's out doing something on the weekend

633
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: to make extra money. Kind of think that's what my

634
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: dad was doing. So I spent a lot of time

635
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: in the car with my mom, and so she was

636
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: listening to country radio. So I listened to Vince Gill.

637
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean that, I mean that cassette table was burned

638
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: through a thousand times hard working Man Brooks and Dunne

639
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: Tracy Chapman album from like I think it's from? Is

640
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: that like give me one reason Tray Chapman fast first

641
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: first album and listen to that all the time, um

642
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: with my dad. That's what kind of went me and

643
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: my dad. But listen, my dad has never been a

644
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: huge country fan except for Dwight Yoakum. Listen to a

645
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: ton of Dwight Yoakum with my dad. Um, and and

646
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: I was listening. And then when we moved from Charlotte

647
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: to Asheville, it just kind of stopped, like I just

648
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: my mom just stopped listening to country music for whatever

649
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: reason that was. So when you're eight, you really don't

650
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: have your own taste in or for music yet. You're

651
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: just kind of like, whatever is on is what I'm

652
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: listening to. You're not going and buying albums and finding

653
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: stuff that you like. You're just kind of listening to

654
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: what your parents are listening to, and so my mom

655
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: was just she stopped listening to country radio at that time.

656
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure why. And so I didn't really

657
00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: listen from then until my freshman year of college. And

658
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: so there was ten years where I just I didn't

659
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: listen to the country like at all. As you're a kid,

660
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: what is that you're singing? Do you have an eight

661
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: year old wrath? Or did when it? Like? No, I was,

662
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: I was. I had a really high voice when I

663
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: was little, So I was, I mean I was singing

664
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: Vince Gill, you know, I mean killing that stuff. Uh.

665
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: And then I just got in I always liked singing.

666
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: I always getting trouble in class for humming or you know,

667
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: talking or I was just constantly making noise. Uh. And

668
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: then and then I found a you know, a channel

669
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: for that through chorus class. And like the sixth grade,

670
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: they make us, they made us take every elective in

671
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: the sixth grade. So you took like art and home

672
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: Mack and Jim and and and chorus and band, and

673
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: you took all of those classes. Uh. And then so

674
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: when I went to pick my electives for the next year,

675
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: I picked up My electives were always Jim and chorse class.

676
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: That was it when you started singing? Was it duck

677
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: to water for you? It was, but I didn't oh

678
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: it at the time. It was just kind of like

679
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: I just like doing it, but I didn't think. I

680
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: thought it was just you don't understand that there's I

681
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: just never thought of doing something like this. You know.

682
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I was the kid that was like,

683
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be Garth Brooks, I'm gonna do this or that.

684
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: I never had that intention in mind at a young age.

685
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people who do you

686
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: know they heard at Tricia Yearwood song and went, I'm

687
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: gonna be Tricia Yarwood. That's what I want to do.

688
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: I just never thought of that as an option. I

689
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: was playing sports. I was horrible at sports, but I

690
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: was playing sports. I like doing that, And I was

691
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: just singing because it was something to do that I

692
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: liked to do. You know. I was just, I mean,

693
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: at that point in time, truly just living my life.

694
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't playing for the future at that time.

695
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: And um, I didn't really know I was any good

696
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: until like ninth grade, probably until I went to high

697
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: school and my course teacher was like, hey, you're pretty good,

698
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, And I was like, cool, that's good because

699
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: I like I like doing it, so it's cool that

700
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: I'm good at it, you know. And then I say,

701
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: I was in course class every day of high school

702
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: from ninth grade to the time I graduated. Football horribly.

703
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 1: I was horrible. Really, And what position do you play?

704
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: Defensive tackle? Did you like hitting? Loved hitting? Um? I

705
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: didn't have UH. I didn't really have the quickness, per

706
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: se or the aggression. It wasn't like an aggressive guys,

707
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: but I loved hitting people. You weren't saying Vince gil

708
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't singing Vince Gill in high school. No,

709
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't. Um, I always you know. It's funny. I

710
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: I played rugby in college, which I was good at

711
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: and I did enjoy a lot, But I loved I

712
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: always wanted to I was like a running back stuck

713
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: in a offensive guards body, you know what I mean.

714
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: Like I always wanted to have the ball and run

715
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: with the ball, but that was never an option. And

716
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: the and my my high school team we ran we

717
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: were one of the first teams to run the spread.

718
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: And so obviously there's your high school football team. Yeah,

719
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: you ran the spread, and for you in two thousand

720
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: and probably five four or five, and you gotta you

721
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: gotta be able to move if you're running the spread,

722
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: no doubt, even the line, you gotta get up and go.

723
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: And so I wasn't in like, in shape enough to

724
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: be you know, I didn't have the endurance two to

725
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: run with the offense because we had we had two

726
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: running backs that ran sub for three forties. I mean

727
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: they were just lightning fast, um, And so we were

728
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: up and down the field a lot. I mean, thirty

729
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: forty yard play. It was not something that was out

730
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: of the ordinary for us. And so yeah, I was

731
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: just not cut out for that either. You know, in

732
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: a lot of teams we were playing, we're playing we're

733
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're running the wing tea and like the

734
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: super antiquated offenses and stuff like that. So yeah, I

735
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: was just I was just not cut out for that

736
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: particular thing. Now, looking back in time, I would have

737
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: I would have loved to play offensive line. It's one

738
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: of my favorite most intriguing positions now and I think

739
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: I would have been very good at that actually, Um,

740
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: But I was just I was just not because I

741
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: didn't play when I was little. I started playing in

742
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: high school. So all of my all of my teammates

743
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: have been playing since they were seven or eight years old,

744
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: you know. So by the time I was a senior,

745
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: it was like there are guys who had been playing

746
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: football for fourteen for fifteen years, and I had only

747
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: been playing for three. So I was way behind the

748
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: curve of you know, strength training and learning the game,

749
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to hit people. That was it.

750
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: You go to Appalachian State and as you leave high

751
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: school and you go to college. In your mind at

752
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: that point, why are you going to college? I just

753
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: thought that was what you did because I didn't want

754
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: to go to work, I think, you know, um, but

755
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: I had went to actually went to a chorus camp

756
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: app in probably maybe eighth grade or ninth grade or

757
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: something like that. For the summer. I was like one

758
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: of those two weeks you go and stay in the

759
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: dorms and there's kids from all the different schools and everything,

760
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: and I just fell in love with that place because

761
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: I grew up in the mountains already, but that was way,

762
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's way in them as much in the

763
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: mountains as you can be in North Carolina um kind

764
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: of nestled in this little valley thing, and I just

765
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: fell in love with the campus and like the and

766
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: the weather. You know, I like the cold, you know,

767
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: I'm fine with being cold, and it's very cold, and

768
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: it sws a lot there, and I just I absolutely

769
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: was enamored with that place. And ever since I went

770
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: to that camp, I was like, that's where I'm gonna

771
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: go to college. I'm gonna go to school there. And

772
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: I was not a very good student in high school.

773
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: I've always been interested in in learning things. I really

774
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: enjoy that. I just was never interested in learning things

775
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: that people wanted me to learn. So what were you

776
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: doing in college for the most part if obviously you're

777
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: getting too because you didn't leave until and you left

778
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: right before you graduated, which is so well, get to this,

779
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: But what were you doing in school? Were you just

780
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: keeping the grades up so you could keep singing, or

781
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: we're like why what was your motivation? It was like

782
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: it was college was a big time for me of like, okay,

783
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: how do you be three hundred pounds and get a girlfriend?

784
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: That was what I spent most of my time trying

785
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: to figure out. Did you have girls in college. No, No,

786
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: I was definitely not a ladies man. Uh you know,

787
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: not not because I didn't want to be. But in

788
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: high school you don't exactly get judged on your great personality.

789
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: Um so those were interesting times for me. But I

790
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: mean that was what I did in college. Men. I

791
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: hung out, I drank with my buddies, I didn't go

792
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: to class a lot. I played rugby. I sang in

793
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: an acapella group my my first year and a half

794
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: of school. Um, I pluged. I pledged a fraternity and

795
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: ended up quitting doing that before I became an shaded member.

796
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Um I did. I did a bunch of stuff. Man,

797
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: I just tried a bunch of stuff, you know. And

798
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm thankful for in the college experience,

799
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: because that's where I found out that this is what

800
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be doing. And you left early

801
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: like you were a closer graduating, right, Well, I was

802
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: there for five years, so I didn't leave early, but

803
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: you left. I stayed late and I didn't graduate. Yeah,

804
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: how many hours you think you need? Not even semester

805
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 1: and a half yea, not even year. But I could

806
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: have done like a summer and a semester. But the

807
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: problem was I always hated math and I always hated science. Um,

808
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: I'm not good at not good at science, not good

809
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: at math um, and so I never What happened was

810
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: I I loved I was a major, and I changed

811
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: my major from business. I started out at business and

812
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: I was like, waiting, I hate math, Why am I

813
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: doing that? That's just something that I was like, Oh,

814
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: you could probably get a good job doing business thing,

815
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: you know. So I tried that for like a year,

816
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: and then I switched my major to criminal justice because

817
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: do what inclminal justice near mind? I wanted to be

818
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: a homicide detective is what I wanted to do. Uh

819
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: still and very interested in that um, and so I

820
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: I went balls to the wall and in that major,

821
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed that. So I liked go into

822
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: my you know, forensic science class and my this and

823
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: this and this class. But the things that I the

824
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: twenty one hours I was short where all my math classes,

825
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: all my science classes, so like basic like your freshman

826
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: year stuff. Never took any of them. I never took

827
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: Stats one and stats too. And then I never took

828
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: chemistry or biology because I was like, this is just

829
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to do any of this stuff, you know.

830
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: And so by the time I got to the end

831
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: of my major, I kind of ran into this huge

832
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: roadblock because I had two or three classes that I

833
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: needed for my major, and they were like, well, you

834
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: can't take this class unless you have stats one in

835
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: stats too, and you can't take him at the same time.

836
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: So that's at least a year of school to take

837
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: two classes. So I had to do Stats one Stats

838
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: to biology or chemistry one in biology or chemistry too,

839
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: and those were both prerequisites, and then I would have

840
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: had to take the classes for the end of my major,

841
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: and then I would have had to do my internship

842
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: because I couldn't do my internship until I did the

843
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: classes for the end of my major. And you've already

844
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: done five years and I had already done yeah, like four.

845
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, I've already done like four and a

846
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: half years. So I was like, I'm not staying here

847
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: for another two and a half years in school at least.

848
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: I ended up living in Boone until I was twenty

849
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: four before I moved to Nashville. Um, but I was

850
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: just like, man, I just I don't you know what

851
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: that's by that time I was already playing music. Were

852
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 1: you going back and the forth from Boone to Nashville?

853
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: Or what did you when you came to Nashville? Was

854
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: it you came to Nashville the first. I came to

855
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: Nashville twice in in those years, and that was two

856
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: thousand and at the end of two thousand and thirteen,

857
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: and then the summer of two thousand and fourteen the

858
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: first time. Did you know you wanted to stay? Yeah?

859
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I had written a few songs, and

860
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: so I came at the end of and recorded those songs,

861
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: and then I met had you know, through the internet,

862
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: had met a couple of people. I was like, oh,

863
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: I write songs with these guys. And so I wrote

864
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: a couple of songs when I was there, and then

865
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: I got back and I was like, man, like, I

866
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 1: gotta play another trip. So I played another trip, wrote

867
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: some more songs, and then on that trip and probably

868
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: aprilish May of two thousand and fourteen is when I

869
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: recorded she Got the Best to me? Can I get

870
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: an outlaw and share if you want to? And then

871
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: at that time after that, those came out in June

872
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: and I moved in September of that year of two

873
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen. The tweet you posted what you said. I

874
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: think the topic was tell me something about yourself that

875
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: no one believe. And the just of it was that

876
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: you came to town and you had some songs and

877
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: people were like, hey, they weren't good, and your old

878
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: thing was don't let anyone let you stop chasing your dreams. Yeah,

879
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: those meetings where you were rejected, are they vivid to you?

880
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: The early meetings definitely? Um. The one in the meeting

881
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: in particular was with somebody. It was, you know, they

882
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: have like the artist like writer reps at at like

883
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: b and I. So I had a friend that had

884
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: a rep there, and I went in and I was

885
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: like very excited because I had just moved to Nashville

886
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: at this time and I didn't know anybody, you know,

887
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: I knew a couple of writing buddies and was going

888
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: out and playing a few writers rounds and writing songs

889
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: every day, and because by that time I was living

890
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: off of those songs that I had put out the

891
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: previous year. And I went in and it was kind

892
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: of like this this person was like, we'll play me

893
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: three songs, and I was like, oh cool, Like this

894
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: person is gonna be like I'm gonna play these three songs,

895
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: and I like, are gonna walk me into the best

896
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: publishing thing? And they're gonna like this guy is great,

897
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: Like how could you not love this guy? Give him

898
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: a publishing deal? So I played Hurricane when It Rains

899
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: in one Number Away, which were my first three number ones,

900
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: and they were like, Okay, here's the deal. You gotta

901
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: get better a songwright and you gotta write better songs

902
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: and you're never gonna be an artist. So that's it.

903
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, and I wasn't like mad. Do

904
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: you know who said it? Yeah, but I'm not gonna

905
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say I would never ask you to

906
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: say it. But I'm just asking if you know who's that? Oh?

907
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: I know? Yeah? Have you seen them since? Yeah? I've

908
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: ran into them awkwardly at actually the B and My Awards.

909
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: Do you think they remember telling you that? Or do

910
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: you don't get just someone that was coming through the

911
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: charney to the system. I don't think so at all,

912
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 1: which is fine. You know, I have I have nothing

913
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: against that person, you know what, because I get it, man.

914
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like if you look at it,

915
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: would I would I would equate it to at that level,

916
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, because you're not even screened at all. At

917
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: that level, like any Tom Dick or Harry can walk

918
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: in off the street pretty much to be AM and

919
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: get one of those meetings. So I can't imagine the

920
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: pressure of like, Okay, well, I've got six kids that

921
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: moved to town yesterday that want to come in and

922
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: they all think they're awesome, and I've got to be

923
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: able to figure out which ones I think are good

924
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: enough to go on to the next thing. And so

925
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't mad about it at all. I'm actually very

926
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: thankful for that meeting because I did go out and

927
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: feel like I wrote some of the best songs that

928
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: I had ever written, because I was like, man, I

929
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta write more and and do better, Like

930
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 1: I'm not even close to as good as I need

931
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: to be. And so I just kept my head down

932
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: and I went and wrote a ton of songs and

933
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: and then there was kind of the rest is just

934
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of fell into place. I Mean, I know that's

935
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, summarizing a big chain of events, but that's

936
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 1: kind of how it felt like at a few minutes

937
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: left here. I wanted to run a cop blather things

938
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: about you that heard. First of all, a lot of

939
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: folks come in, myself included that worked retail because we

940
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: kind of had to. You gotta pay the bills somehow

941
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: as you're chasing your creative endeavor. And I worked at

942
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: hobby lobby. Mike who was in Michael Hobby from Thousand

943
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: Horses worked at the Buckle. You worked at isod. How

944
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: did that go? I was not a great fit at

945
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: iod um, but I had you know, I had as

946
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: much fun with it is you could possibly have folding

947
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: people's golf sweaters, you know. Um. It was in an

948
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: outlet mall, like one of those like Tanger outlets or

949
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: whatever they call it. They had one in Blowing Rock,

950
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: which is right down the road from Boone. So it

951
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: was I mean, it was pretty pretty miserable. And how

952
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: long did you do that? I probably worked there for

953
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: I mean close to a year probably, I would think.

954
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: And whenever you are walking past a table of shirts

955
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: that are messy, does it bother you? And will you

956
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: you fold a shirt? No chance, no chance. But I'll

957
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: tell you what I do. I do fold a mean shirt.

958
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: You know when I'm when I'm doing the laundry at home,

959
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: which I'm sure people are sped do do laundry. Uh,

960
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: my fiance does handle the brunt of the laundry. Um,

961
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: but I do. I do chip in quite a bit

962
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: and you know, help fold stuff. And you know, I'm

963
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: not I'm not afraid to do laundry. I I don't.

964
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't mind it at all. But I if I

965
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: wasn't in a committed relationship, I would throw it. Yeah,

966
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: but I do separate it now just because that's what.

967
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: But now it's like her stuff's in there, which is

968
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: the thing. Like mine are just old, like gross t

969
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: shirts and jeans really, so I'm not too worried about

970
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: them like shrinking or like. But now there's this whole

971
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: like don't wash this thing with that thing, and don't

972
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: dry this thing, but it's gotta be tumble dried, but

973
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: don't put it in with this thing that has to

974
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: be high heat. And then some stuff is like cold water,

975
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: and so it's I mean, it gets pretty mathey to me,

976
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: you know, and we know you don't, like I don't

977
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: left school because he didn't even take laundry. That was

978
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: like year three and that was the year three, and

979
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 1: I skipped laundry class, that's for sure. The bank bag,

980
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm curious about the us to save the money in.

981
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: So you went and bought one of those bank bags

982
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: at Zips, like it's wallet with the lock on it. Yeah,

983
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: so what was that about? And and where was this

984
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: money coming from? You were sticking in the bag. So

985
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: I had I had started playing shows. And when Cappy

986
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: moved to town after he started managing me, he had

987
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: never managed anybody before. Um, you know, he kind of

988
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: blew through his life savings like trying to build my career.

989
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: And and so he made a promise to me. He

990
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, I'm not gonna take a commission

991
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: until you're actually making enough money too, like live off

992
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: of And so at the time, you know, the gigs

993
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: were I mean, they could have been tuning fifty a night,

994
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: they could have been a thousand dollars a night, and

995
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: those were a thousand dollars was really good, you know.

996
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: And so we would go and do those gigs and

997
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: excuse me, I would take you know, t shirt money,

998
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: whatever it was left over. And and Cappy was great

999
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: because he would always go settle the show. You know,

1000
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: he would run me through the statement every night, and

1001
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: they here's what we got, and here's what we did,

1002
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: and here's the tickets and this and and there would

1003
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: always we were and we were selling out everything, you

1004
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: know at that time, which is great on those club

1005
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: gigs because usually they they'll they'll kick you back and

1006
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: pretty like sweet bonus and it's always cash. And so

1007
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: that's where the money was coming from, was that these

1008
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: sellout bonuses on these club shows. And so I would

1009
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I remember getting to thinking I had

1010
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: like five or six thousand dollars in my apartment, you know,

1011
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, man like, somebody could just walk

1012
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: in here and like take this if they wanted to.

1013
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: So I had like a folders can and instead of

1014
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: putting just the money in there, I put it in

1015
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: the bank bag and then rolled the bank back up

1016
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: and put it in there and been back like behind

1017
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: my microwave on my counter. My microwave kind of sat

1018
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: like in a corner, so it was kind of there

1019
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: was that space behind it, yeah, because it was diagonal. Yeah,

1020
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: And so that's what that's what that's where the money

1021
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: was coming from. And that's what I did with it

1022
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: at that time. I saw Cappy. He was in the

1023
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: Delta Lounge. I was walking through. I wasn't going to

1024
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: the Delta Lounge. And we know kevidn't know each other obviously,

1025
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: and he was on the phone and I'm I just

1026
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: touch his show. I was like just saying hi to him,

1027
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: not pulling off his phone, and he and he was

1028
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: talking about, um, some of your technology. He's on the

1029
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: phone talking about the shore. He's like, he's like, and

1030
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: he goes, I'll call you back to hang this hangs

1031
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: up on him and it's like, how you doing, man,

1032
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, you don't have to hang up

1033
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: a phone call. But it's such a testament to like

1034
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: how present minded that he always wants to be, Yeah, definitely,

1035
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: and just how giving of his time. And we sat

1036
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: there and talking and I was like, happy, why don't

1037
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: you get back on the phone and handle your business.

1038
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get like a one of these little

1039
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: fancy Delta chocolate bar, right, And then someone else walked

1040
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: in that I know he did the same thing. It's

1041
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 1: really one of the sweetest guys. He is man and

1042
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: he um. He and I are very sim or. I mean,

1043
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: people think he's my dad all the time you guys meet.

1044
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: He we met so his his best friend from growing up.

1045
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: They went to high school together and then went to

1046
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: college together, joined the same fraternity. UH as a guy

1047
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: by the name of Bradley Jordan's uh. And he books

1048
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: a ton of a ton of clubs in the Southeast

1049
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: as a promoter. He had a he used to own

1050
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: Pea Street Tavern in Atlanta, UH in the early like

1051
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: mid two thousands, like Luke Brian used to play there

1052
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: Swindel f gl That was kind of one of those

1053
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: big clubs where like when you went and played Atlanta

1054
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: and you were coming up, you played Bradley's place. Uh.

1055
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: And when he eventually sold that, he started a company

1056
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: UH called Pea Street Entertainment, which he still runs, you know.

1057
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: And um, and so he booked you know, right now

1058
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: he's booking shows with like you know, Hardy and Morgan

1059
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: Walla and Roley Green, like those kind of guys. And

1060
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: so Bradley was had booked me on one or two shows.

1061
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: And then you know, obviously him having known Cappy his

1062
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: whole life, he knew that Cappy's ultimate goal was to

1063
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: always be a manager. He had just never found the

1064
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: right guy or it was in the right time or

1065
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: the stars didn't line up, and so um he called

1066
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: Cappy was like, hey, I got the guy. And so

1067
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: he showed up at my show at Zydeko and Birmingham

1068
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: and we talked and he was like, I live in

1069
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: Atlanta and all this, and I'm gonna move. And I

1070
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: was like, dude, this guy's fucking crazy, Like he's gonna

1071
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: like he's just gonna up and like walk away from

1072
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: his entire life to do this. And I was kind

1073
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: of like a little like apprehensive about it, you know,

1074
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: like I was like, am I getting involved with like

1075
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: some like sharky guy who's gonna come and like, because

1076
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: you always hear the stories like well make sure who

1077
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: you do business with because they're everyone in the music

1078
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: business is trying to, you know, steal from you or

1079
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: get something out of you kind of thing. So I

1080
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: was like my thinking was like, man, you get one shot,

1081
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, like do I want to take my risk

1082
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: with this guy who I don't know, who's never managed

1083
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: anybody before, or do I want to try to get

1084
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: a proper management deal at a you know, at a

1085
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: big firm or do this? And and so I met

1086
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: with a cup all other managers, and you know, everybody

1087
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: had kind of passed on me in that situation too,

1088
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: and and uh and Cappy's you know, we stayed in

1089
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: touch about things. And he sent me this huge email.

1090
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,959
Speaker 1: I mean it was like five or six pages long,

1091
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: and I remember reading it. I was I was like

1092
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: reading it like in my car, and I had just

1093
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: come home from a ride or something. And and I

1094
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 1: remember and he had heard that I had met with

1095
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: some other manager type people. And essentially this was a

1096
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: six page letter of like why he was going to

1097
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 1: be the best manager, you know, for not only for me,

1098
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: but he wanted to become, you know, a great manager,

1099
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: and and this is how we're gonna do things, and

1100
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: this is why we're gonna do him and this is

1101
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: why I believe in you, and this is why I'm

1102
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice everything for you, you know, to do this.

1103
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 1: And after I read it, I was like, man, there's

1104
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: nobody's going to care more about it than this guy,

1105
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, So then it then it just we instant.

1106
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: I mean, he up and moved like the next week

1107
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: that That was two thousand and fifteen, probably late fifteen.

1108
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: I would think a great story. It is The last

1109
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: thing we're gonna do is walk through these number ones

1110
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: and just can a couple of sentences about what they

1111
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: like when you hear them back, Like what was happening

1112
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: around the time that either you wrote it or number one?

1113
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: Like what story we'll start. We'll start with hurricane here

1114
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: you go? Here's that? What do you think when that plays?

1115
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it just is a flood of like things

1116
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: were just really happening at that time, you know, And

1117
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: and that song was around it for you know, in

1118
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: my life at that time a long time. You know,

1119
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: it had been out for you know, by the time

1120
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: it went number one, it had been out for two years.

1121
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: And so I played that song in a lot of clubs,

1122
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: and and I just could I can just feel the

1123
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: like the momentum when you play that song, because it's

1124
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of everything to that song, you know.

1125
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you

1126
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for that moment in time, you know.

1127
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: And I just remember, you know, playing all these shows

1128
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: and and Mammer's selling everything out, and people were all

1129
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: these important you know, business people were coming out and

1130
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: we want to see the show, and we want to

1131
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: talk to you about this, and and just excitement, I

1132
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 1: guess would be the word that I think of when

1133
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: that song comes to mind. All right, number two here

1134
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: is your second one one number away. Number. That's just different,

1135
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,959
Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was the most different thing

1136
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: that I had done at that time, especially when we

1137
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: wrote it. You know, I had never written to a

1138
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: track before. I didn't know what that was, um, and

1139
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: it was just it was it was cool, man. It

1140
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: was kind of like I was like, man, this thing

1141
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: is just so cool. It's such a risk for me

1142
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: I felt at that time to put out, you know,

1143
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: and so mean luckily it worked out, but that one

1144
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: is is definitely I would like risky, I think, is

1145
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: how I would felt. I felt about that one. When

1146
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: it rains it poors, yeah, man, I mean just I mean,

1147
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: I just think that's probably my It just makes me

1148
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: happy when I hear that song. Man. You know, I

1149
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: remember shooting the video and and uh and Charleston and

1150
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, me and my uh you know,

1151
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: now fiance had had just really got into the throes

1152
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: of our relationship at that time, and it was just

1153
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: really fun. That was just a really fun time for me.

1154
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: You know that song brings back a lot of of

1155
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: really cool, fun memories for me. A right number four

1156
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: here she got the best of me. Why did you

1157
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: laugh right there? What what happened up there with? I mean,

1158
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: it's that's full. It's like full circles the word I

1159
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: would use because I wrote that song in college. Um,

1160
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: I wrote it here in Nashville, but it was on

1161
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: one of my trips and it just the way it

1162
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: all came together was um that you know, I wrote

1163
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: it with Rob Snyder and Channing Wilson h At that time,

1164
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: they were both, you know, doing the revival thing together

1165
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: at Tin Roof and Um, a buddy of mine that

1166
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: I went to Nashville with had you know, kind of

1167
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: walked up to those guys and was like, hey, let's

1168
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: write a song thing and and so they were like sure, man.

1169
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: You know, we're in town for a couple of days.

1170
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, well, we can write tomorrow or whatever.

1171
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: I me and my buddy got super drunk that night

1172
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: at the Tin Roof and and you know, we played

1173
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: revival that night and uh. And so he called me

1174
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: in the morning and was like, hey, man, like I'm

1175
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: too hungover to go to this right will you go instead?

1176
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, sure, man, like I'll go right

1177
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: with these, you know, two complete stranger guys, you know.

1178
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: And so I went over to Rob's apartment. Me and

1179
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: Rob were kind of sitting there writing and this. I mean,

1180
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: Rob and Channing are both like big dudes. They're both

1181
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: taller than me, They're both even broader than I am.

1182
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: And and Channing walks out in this like bath towel,

1183
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, He's got his long hair and his big

1184
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: beard and everything. And Rob was like, dude, come come

1185
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: get on this song with us, Manhoul, come write this

1186
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: song with us. And he was like, man, I'm not

1187
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: feeling it, you know, and he said we'll play. He said, dude,

1188
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: just just play him something. So I played night Moves

1189
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: on my guitar by Seeger and He's like, yeah, I'll

1190
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: come right with you guys. And then so we wrote.

1191
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: We wrote she Got the Best of Me that day, uh,

1192
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: And I ended up recording it uh in college when

1193
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,919
Speaker 1: I'm still in college, putting it out, and then when

1194
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: it came time to record the deluxe version of the album,

1195
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, Lynn was like, this song is just great

1196
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: and your fans love it at the shows and and

1197
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: I really think it deserves a chance to you know,

1198
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: to be recorded with the proper equipment and the proper

1199
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: proper band and and get a shot at being a

1200
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: single one. So it was definitely a full circle because

1201
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: rance for that one beautiful crazy, I mean definitely my

1202
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: fiance comes to mind more than anything. Um and that

1203
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: song really just changed a lot for me. I mean

1204
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: it was seven week number one, which is crazy. I

1205
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: would have never imagine that that to you, That song

1206
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: to me put you on a hold different Like it's

1207
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 1: you have to have a massive song to actually make

1208
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: the jump. You can have eleven number one, and sometimes

1209
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: you don't make the jump, but if you get that

1210
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: one definer, you can make a job. I think for you,

1211
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: that's when it launched you up. And that's what I

1212
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: was thinking, is this is the one that took us

1213
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: from like I mean, we had four number ones and

1214
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: things were awesome, and then it was all of a sudden,

1215
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: it was like next, it was the next gear after

1216
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: that song, you know. And you know, I think of

1217
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: obviously winning the Song of the Year here recently, and

1218
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, all the accolades and and and and things.

1219
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: There's so many really positive you know memories. I mean,

1220
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be you know, I probably, I mean I

1221
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: would like to think I would still be with my

1222
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: once without that song. But I mean, this is the

1223
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: song that I played for her, you know, after we

1224
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: weren't even officially dating yet, when I wrote this song

1225
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: about her, and I remember playing it for like two

1226
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: days after I wrote it, and I was like so nervous.

1227
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: That's vulnerable right there, because I was like, man, what

1228
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: does she thinks I'm just a total creep, like, you know,

1229
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: because it was like, I mean, we're hanging out. We

1230
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: were hanging out a good amount at that time, but

1231
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: it was still like, man, it was such a risk

1232
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: in my mind, like to play her that What did

1233
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: she do? She was working at b M. I no,

1234
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: what did she do when you played the song? Did

1235
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: she get emotional or did she? Well? I I played

1236
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: it smart because her one of her friends was there,

1237
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: and so I had actually bought her a record player

1238
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 1: as a gift, like a Crosley record player with like

1239
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: the legs and like its own little speaker and stuff,

1240
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: and so it had an OX cord jack, and I

1241
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: plugged my phone in and played the work tape and

1242
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: her friend was in there, and her friend was like,

1243
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: oh my god, like this is just wow, you know,

1244
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: And so I was like, I know, if I can

1245
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: like hook the friend and the friend thinks it's sweet,

1246
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: she at least has to pretend like she likes it

1247
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: so that I'm not in this awkward situation. We're both like, well,

1248
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: we'll just stop hanging out now, because do you think

1249
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: I'm super weird? So it was she, but no, she

1250
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: loved it, and I mean she obviously loves that tune.

1251
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: All right. There never broke my heart. I don't just

1252
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: feel the live show on that one. Yeah, I mean,

1253
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: it's just like it just feels like, you know, it

1254
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: just feel like I can imagine what the environment would

1255
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: have been like at an A C d C concert,

1256
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, Like, and not that that song sounds anything

1257
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: like an A C d C song, but it's the

1258
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: most rock and the thing that we have, you know,

1259
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: it has those heavy, like chugging guitars and and just

1260
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: it just feels like an arena rock like anthem song.

1261
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: And that's what it feels like every time we play it.

1262
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: And I think that song, you know, if Beutiful Crazy

1263
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: was important, I think Beer is just as important because

1264
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: we followed Beautiful Crazy up, which was this very vulnerable,

1265
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: like low you know, finnel like violin kind of acoustic thing,

1266
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: and then it just polar opposite is this song and

1267
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: and this song. You know, I think this gave us

1268
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: a jump too, because you know a lot of and

1269
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: like you said, we did have hits, but a lot

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Speaker 1: of the hits so we're kind of like mid tempo

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Speaker 1: e Like there wasn't that like kick you in the

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Speaker 1: teeth thing in the set and I think that song

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01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: brought that to the table for us. And the last

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Speaker 1: one before we go, even though I'm leaving right now,

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Speaker 1: this is the seven number one in a row as

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Speaker 1: we record this right now, this is the one multi

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Speaker 1: week number one when you wrote this, how do you feel?

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01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: I've man, this was like crazy right. So actually one

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01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: of the guys I wrote Beautiful Crazy with White drette Um.

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Speaker 1: This was the first song that we wrote together, uh

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Speaker 1: and me and him and a good friend of ours

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01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 1: Rave Fulture wrote this together and it was one of

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01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: those things like I love to get into a rite

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01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 1: and just not go until I feel like it's perfect.

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01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: And I feel like sometimes the Nashville environment can be

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01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: we got three hours. We're walking out with a song.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's terrible. I don't care if

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01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: it's the best song that anybody's ever written. I just

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01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: want to get it done and turn into my publisher

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01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: and get on with my life, you know, which is

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01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: great if that's what you want to do. And I

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01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: understand that, and I enjoy that sometimes too, but I

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01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: have to go into it with a different thing because

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm writing it as something that could potentially be a

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01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: humongous part of my life forever. You know, that song

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01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: is never gonna go away. It's never not gonna have

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01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: been at number one. I'm never not gonna play it

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Speaker 1: every night. And so I love to go in and

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01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: make sure that if I'm going to record something and

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01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: i'm gonna put it out there for people, that it's

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01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,919
Speaker 1: something that has the stamp of approval. And so that

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01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: was a right that took probably eight hours, seven or

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01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: eight hours and one day. And we were in the

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01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: little like um, we were in like the little office

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01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: rooms at Southern Ground in the studio. We weren't in

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: the studio, but there's a little spot next door where

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01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: there's like, you know, just a little fluorescent bulb like offices.

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01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: And Whyatt's son at that time was you know, getting

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01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: ready to you know, he was getting to the age

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01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: where he was going to be graduating from high school

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01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: very soon, and that was his only a child at

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01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: that time. And um, he was like, man, I want

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01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: to write my son a song and let him know

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01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,959
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna be there for him no matter what,

1315
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, like just because he's not living at home,

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't I don't want him to feel like he

1317
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: can't still call me or he can't still you know,

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01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: be my son or ask for help if he needs it.

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01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: And so that's how that song started. Uh and and uh, man,

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01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: we had trouble getting through it. You know, I I'm

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01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: lucky enough to still have my my parents in my

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01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: life and so I haven't you know, had to deal

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01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: with that you know, horrible day yet. But we were all,

1324
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, very emotional, like you didn't sing in the

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01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: work tape. I got a little choked up, and I

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01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is like and I knew, like

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: if that's happening to me, like that's gonna happen to

1328
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people with that song. So, um, that

1329
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: song is just you know, it's it's really powerful for

1330
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: a lot of folks, alright. The what you see is

1331
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: what you get towards Ashton McBride Andrew Drew Parker's happening,

1332
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 1: lots of festival dates. You and Eric Church are headlining

1333
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: Rock to South, You're told with McGraw, I don't even

1334
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: know how you have a minute. It's like every day

1335
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: on your calendar there there's something on it. You know.

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01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: That's what I call music seventy three Holy crap, man,

1337
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 1: it's crazy, man, you know, but it's it's I just think,

1338
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, you only get this chance, you know, once,

1339
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: if you ever get it. And you know, I don't

1340
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: want to look back when I'm you know, sixty years old,

1341
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, and and go man, I could have done more.

1342
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: I should have done more. I wish I would have

1343
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: done that, or I wish I would have worked harder,

1344
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't want to lose this. You know.

1345
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: It's it's mass special feeling, you know, to go on, man,

1346
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: people are really loving me right now. I'm hitting some

1347
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: kind of I'm hitting some kind of vain somehow, some

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01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: way that that maybe somebody else isn't doing. And that's

1349
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: a neat feeling, so I don't you know, I'm I'm

1350
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: not prepared to lose that and I know it, and

1351
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: inevitably will come. There will be a time when, you know,

1352
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: the next guy that's really awesome will come along and

1353
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: go Luke Combs, that got's old news. You know. I

1354
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: was talking with in the last few days, a plus

1355
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: plus artist just we're hanging out a little bit, and

1356
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: he had brought you up because that he was a

1357
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: plus plus still is massive and he was confident. He

1358
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, it's Luke Combs the time.

1359
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: Now he's like, I had my time, and he goes,

1360
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,479
Speaker 1: it's Luke Holmas the time. She said, I'm still gonna

1361
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: do massive shows. But now it's Luke's time, and Luke's

1362
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: gonna have his time, and then hopefully Luke will look

1363
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: at the next person that you know what, I'm still

1364
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: gonna play a big shows. He goes, that's just how

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Speaker 1: this works. And the people who don't, who are miserable,

1366
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: who don't embrace what they have when they have it

1367
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: and what they had when they had it, and roots

1368
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: for you guys that are coming next. Yeah, and you

1369
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: got to man, you know, because I've had a lot

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01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: of really great experiences with with people here in town,

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Speaker 1: with other artists who have said, man, you know you're

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01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: gonna do this, and and everybody's thing is always enjoy

1373
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 1: it while it's here. You know, do the thing that

1374
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: you go to the after party that you're too tired

1375
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: to go to go you know, hang out with Ed

1376
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: Sheering or you know, any a cool opportunity, you should

1377
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: go do that because you're not always going to have

1378
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: those opportunities. So, um, that's something that I have always

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01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: taken to heart. Now I do enjoy a good nap sometimes,

1380
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, it's just hard to pass up on that sometimes.

1381
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: But so yeah, I'm just trying to I'm just trying

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01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 1: to do it the best I can. And uh and

1383
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: and you know, enjoy it. Well it's here. Well listen,

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01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: I appreciate time. Just a big fan of you. Thank you.

1385
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: I think over your artistry, Like I got to know

1386
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: you a little bit before you had a bunch of

1387
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: so I was always like your honesty when you came

1388
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: back and and it's very authentic. So area's Luke Combs

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01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: episode twenty six. Um, this thing's gonna be listen to forever.

1390
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: The single right now is does to me, but when

1391
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: this is gonna be around for years and years of

1392
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: the podcast, so whatever. His ninety four number one good

1393
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: to See my Friend, episode twenty six, So Luke combs.

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Speaker 1: There we go.