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Speaker 1: in and we'll talk to you throughout the show. The

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Speaker 1: Giants had their third preseason game last night. The starters

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Speaker 1: played more than they have all preseason, a lot of

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Speaker 1: the guys who did not play a full half of football,

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Speaker 1: including Giants quarterback Eli Manning. But the Giants come away

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Speaker 1: with another victory. Paul I would say probably the sloppiest

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Speaker 1: game of all them so far. Probably more drops by

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Speaker 1: had in past games. But I thought it cleaned up

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Speaker 1: as the game went along a little bit, and the

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Speaker 1: Giants walk away with another victory and with some impressive

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Speaker 1: performances from some of their young players. Well, you know, John,

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Speaker 1: I think the thing that the Giants could be happy

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Speaker 1: about is that there were scattered good plays throughout both

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Speaker 1: sides of the ball. Now, I will agree I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a sloppy game game I thought it was

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Speaker 1: a ragged game. We said that during the broadcast last night,

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Speaker 1: it was more indicative of a preseason opener than it

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Speaker 1: was a third preseason game under normal circumstances, at least

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. However, you know, as I talked with

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Speaker 1: Lance on the Locker Room Show last night, and he

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Speaker 1: was saying, oh great, I was down there to right

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Speaker 1: Lance was saying it, and I counted him a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to be difficult with him, but he

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Speaker 1: was glowing about, oh, what a great competition at wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, okay, wait a second. Nobody

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Speaker 1: caught more than three passes in the game. Paul Perkins

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Speaker 1: had three receptions. The thing that you liked is that

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Speaker 1: a number of different wide receivers made plays. Russell caught

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Speaker 1: the two point conversion, which was a nice grab. White

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Speaker 1: caught another long pass down field. Slayton caught another long

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Speaker 1: a pulp return for a touchdown. So these guys all

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Speaker 1: flashed and to play, but they were flashes because over

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Speaker 1: the course of the entire game, nobody had a spectacular game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: followers quiet. Cody Latimer had two passes he could have

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Speaker 1: The second one I think was a contested catch he

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Speaker 1: didn't come up with. Britain Goldman had a couple of

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Speaker 1: Uh mushall. Shepherd had the slant. Otherwise he was a

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Speaker 1: little bit quiet. So yes, I think it's a fun

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Speaker 1: so good. I'm an easy decision to make the second

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Speaker 1: wide receiver or third wide receiver. While Golden Taters suspended,

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Speaker 1: no one has made that case. It's still I think

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Speaker 1: and it's that way at the back of the depth

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Speaker 1: rod this Rod Smith groin injury is that might make

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Speaker 1: if nobody steps up and does particularly well, the status

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Speaker 1: quo wins, right, and the status quo is Wayne Goldman

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Speaker 1: saying status quo was Wayne Goldman is the two. That's

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Speaker 1: now I think if Smith isn't healthy, I think it

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Speaker 1: makes the Paul Perkins rod Smith debate easier. I think

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Speaker 1: Paul Perkins catching those three passes, one of which was

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Speaker 1: Did you look up with an abductor muscle? And and

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Speaker 1: want to necessarily say that he slid down after last night.

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Speaker 1: It's certainly a warning sign. It is a dangerous sign.

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Speaker 1: But I do think all these running backs are really

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Speaker 1: pretty good. They ran a successful for minuted offense at

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Speaker 1: quote unquote four minute offense where they actually threw a

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Speaker 1: Booth and it's like, finish, You gotta finish that. That's

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Speaker 1: don't know how much that may or may not hurt

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Speaker 1: UH Giant fans, I'm sure had some flashbacks of the

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Speaker 1: But that's obviously something you don't want to see. Peppers

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Speaker 1: the middle of Britain, Golden put the ball high where

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Speaker 1: he could go up and get it. Again, not a

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Speaker 1: perfectly place throw, but he put it where only his

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Speaker 1: guy can go and get it. And look, Jones just

433
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: looks comfortable and he's able to make plays. I show

434
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Speaker 1: people all the time, John, the ball doesn't have to

435
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,320
Speaker 1: be pinpoint accurate. Look, Troy Aikman, in my mind is

436
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Speaker 1: probably the most accurate passer inside of twenty yards that

437
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Speaker 1: I ever saw. Maccor at the Montana oh Man aim

438
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: through darts, trust me, is the best. I mean, he's

439
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: super accurate darts anything inside twenty maybe even inside or thirty.

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Speaker 1: No one threw that deep out better than try that too,

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Speaker 1: that too, So I get it. I get it. There

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Speaker 1: are those people who want to nip pick and say,

443
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Speaker 1: what was it exactly where it was supposed to be? Well, no,

444
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Speaker 1: but you know what, in the National Football League, your

445
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Speaker 1: receivers get paid to make plays on the other end

446
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Speaker 1: of the ball. And if you give it to them

447
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: in the the box, you know what, it could be

448
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: the size of a toaster, it could be the size

449
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Speaker 1: of a bread box, it could be the size of

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Speaker 1: a department store shirt box. Give it to them in

451
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Speaker 1: the box, and it's their job to finish the play. John,

452
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: It's not always on the quarterback to hit the top

453
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Speaker 1: of the pin. Just put the ball in the box.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line for me with Jones, and this is

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Speaker 1: the most important thing. He continues to look comfortab. Nothing

456
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: looks too fast for him. He's going through progressions in

457
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: a way a lot of rookies can't or won't do.

458
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: A play after he gets blasted in the back by

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00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 1: Karl Lawson who beating eight solder around the edge, he

460
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 1: faces pressure up in the middle, stays with it and

461
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: throws that deep past the slating down to the one

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00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: yard line. So these little things that a rookie does

463
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: where even veterans to have trouble with it after getting hit,

464
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: stay in the pocket, delivered the pass, going through his reads,

465
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Speaker 1: staying calm, not looking panic, being accurate. It's just things

466
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Speaker 1: that rookies generally don't do at the level he's doing

467
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Speaker 1: it right now and it's impressive. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any doubt. And you know, while we want to say

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Speaker 1: it's only preseason, it's certainly better to have the guy

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Speaker 1: looked good that look bad. And that's the point. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I would ad one more thing. I would d one

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Speaker 1: more thing. Look at how Daniel Jones has handled the pressure,

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Speaker 1: the heat, the the constant questions about Elie, the questions

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Speaker 1: about his three fumbles, because he's had three fumbles now

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Speaker 1: in the last two weeks, which, by the way, he

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Speaker 1: brought up to me on his own in the postgame

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Speaker 1: press conference. He noticed that when I asked him in

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Speaker 1: the interview, where's his finger? Go? John right back at

479
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: himself every single time. Always that the one out of

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. You know, he's a young fellow who has

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Speaker 1: shown a lot of maturity. He doesn't act like a

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Speaker 1: young fellow on the fielder off two, five on three,

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Speaker 1: hashtag giants chat on Twitter. I'll keep an eye on that.

484
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Speaker 1: Let's get to your phones. You've been holding a while.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Scott in New Mexico. He will lead

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Speaker 1: us off. Scott, how you're doing today? What's up? A

487
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Speaker 1: couple of points. I sort of agree with both of

488
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Speaker 1: you that it's watching the game yesterday was sort of

489
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Speaker 1: a mixed bag as far as Daniel Jones and I

490
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: wish this would stop already because Eli Manning is her

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback unless he falls flat on his key star

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Speaker 1: or he gets injured. As you alluded to, there's no

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Speaker 1: reason to make any switch right now. And I think

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Speaker 1: the one thing that I saw from the game yesterday

495
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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones. I was impressed actually with his arm

496
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Speaker 1: strength between the twenty five yard markers learns that pass,

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Speaker 1: which was I think one of the things that people

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Speaker 1: worried about that he have the arm strength. Well, I

499
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Speaker 1: think he has better arm strength than anybody possibly imagine, because,

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Speaker 1: as you alluded to John, that throw he made to

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Speaker 1: Britain Golden was thrown on a frozen rope. Even if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't exactly where the receiver you know, and uh

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Speaker 1: was targeted, that was an impressive throw. So he has

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Speaker 1: the armstring, he has the ability. But right now, Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning is the quarterback and that's the way everybody should

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Speaker 1: be looking at it right now. Uh. The other thing

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Speaker 1: that I wanted to ask you about, I was impressed

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Speaker 1: by three different players, and one of them was Corey Valentine.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he's earned the right to be the

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback even if DeAndre Baker comes back, because he

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Speaker 1: looks very impressive. I know he was being on one

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Speaker 1: or two plays the instinct to play a position very well, Scott,

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Speaker 1: if you had to put him out there, I feel

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Speaker 1: comfortable with it. But I do not think he's a

515
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: better cover corner than DeAndre Baker at this point. And

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00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: that's and and if you think Baker is the better player,

517
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: that's the guy you play with John than that one.

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Speaker 1: But I would say this Valentine has certainly exceeded all expectations. Right,

519
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: He's literally that he might be the best sixth round

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00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: pick I've ever seen come through here. I mean, think

521
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: about this Cliff Horuse Award winner right Okay Division to

522
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: Washburn Defensive Player of the Year at the small school level.

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Speaker 1: Uh had tremendous accolades at his level of ball. But

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Speaker 1: to think that anybody would would expect him to be

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Speaker 1: this pro ready, this fact where he could take significant

526
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Speaker 1: snaps for this team and potentially start if he was

527
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Speaker 1: called upon, it's amazing to me. Okay, my my other

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Speaker 1: player lying under the radar, and it was evident even

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Speaker 1: on the Britain Golden return is Alonzo Russell. Uh. She

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Speaker 1: noticed he was probably the blocker closest to him out

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Speaker 1: run Britain Golden. So does he have a realistic chance,

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Speaker 1: based on what you saw yesterday to make the team

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Speaker 1: And if he does, has that changed the dynamic of

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00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: the receivers that are actually going on beyond the roster

535
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: because he looks impressive in almost every category. Even the

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Speaker 1: movie he made in the end zone to catch the

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00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: touchdown was very impressive. The twos. I was just curious

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Speaker 1: what you guys thought. Yes, god, yeah, and and thanks

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00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: to the call I appreciated, no problem. And the funny

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00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: thing about Alonso Russell, I think if last summer or

541
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Speaker 1: the summer before, you would have asked peop about Alonzo Russell,

542
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: what they would have told you what he had to

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00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: get better at. Whether we're the little things, the special

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Speaker 1: team stuff, the blocking, being a gunner, you know, doing

545
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: those sorts of things. Yet in these preseason games polled,

546
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: those little things are what he's excelled at. And it

547
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: hasn't been the fancy receiver stuff like catching passes and

548
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: going deep and doing all these things using his height.

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00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: It's been the little things that he's been excellent at,

550
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: chasing down guys after receptions, blocking on special teams, things

551
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I think he's open coaches eyes. I

552
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: think that maybe that fourth preseason game, I'm sure he's

553
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of snaps. Maybe he'll have a

554
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: chance to make some plays that or earn his way on.

555
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: But he's still in the mix to me, I don't

556
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: have him off this roster, hook line and sinker not. Now.

557
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard, but I think he's got a shot.

558
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: He's done everything the coaches have asked from him. He

559
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: has and Coach Sherman just got done telling us this

560
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: morning something that I've been saying for weeks. This ninety

561
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: is the best ninety that he has seen. And I

562
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: know it's only two years of his stay here with

563
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: the Giants. I'm telling you it's the best ninety I've

564
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: seen since their last Super Bowl. There are going to

565
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: be some very hard cuts to make. He's telling us

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Speaker 1: how much he loves these guys, how much he enjoys

567
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: this locker room, and how much he's wanting these guys

568
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: to get jobs, and thinks a bunch of them are

569
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: going to get jobs on other teams when they do

570
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: get sliced. Yeah, And I think that's the point where

571
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: guys the Giants let go might get picked up by

572
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Speaker 1: other teams. All Oaks aside, since two thousand and thirteen,

573
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: nobody the Giants ever cut in September wound up of

574
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: the teams just didn't happen. And that was a problem,

575
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: and it was indicative of where the roster was. And

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00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, I look at it and I say to myself, well,

577
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Speaker 1: if you're gonna keep six, because Golden Tate is the

578
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: seventh receiver on the suspended list for the first month, John,

579
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: you got your automatics, You got Sterling Shepherd as you're automatic,

580
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: I think Lattimer is pretty automatic. If Latimer isn't automatic,

581
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: Slayton proved he could play last night of the right

582
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: he's in, so he's in. He's a fifth pick, he's in.

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00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: I think Benny Fowler's in the way he's played. You

584
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: gotta reward Benny Fowler for the off season that he's had.

585
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: And then Shepherd's five. Right, You're not getting rid of

586
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: Russell Shepherd because he's a tremendous leader and a special

587
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: teams player as well. And Teach Jones has absolutely done

588
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: enough to make this team since he got here late.

589
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: That's six C C. You think, oh, do you think

590
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: those six guys are all on the matter it at

591
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: this point to say no, matter what is hard we're

592
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: talking about, those would be my six favorites. With one

593
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: more game left on the preseason schedule, is there any

594
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: chance they keep seven plus tight I can't imagine. No matter,

595
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: there's a way that is gonna be so hard to do.

596
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: I know I don't think they will either. I'm just

597
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: asking the question. Look, here's what I will say. I

598
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be two quarterbacks and Loletta on the

599
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: practice squad, so you can save a spot there not

600
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Speaker 1: gonna go with three. The only thing, you don't think

601
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: they're putting three on the roster, I don't. I think

602
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: Pat Turmer wants three on the roster. I think he does,

603
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's gonna get I think lo

604
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: Lett is gonna have to go practice squad because I

605
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: think they need to steal a spot because they're gonna

606
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna keep a fullback. I think Elijah

607
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: pennies on this well, So that's just let's go to

608
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: twitter at grew in Ben. Since Jones is cleared the

609
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: number two, is there a reason to keep a vet

610
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: like Tanny over low Lett at this point the way

611
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: low Lett is played. I don't think so. And it's

612
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: funny if you would ask this question to us. Four

613
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: weeks ago, we thought Tanny would have played better than

614
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: low Lett in these games, but he hasn't correct. I

615
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: think that's why that's changed our thinking a little bit.

616
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: And Jones has also done so well. Remember we had

617
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: a debate several months ago to at what point should

618
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: Jones be the number two? Well, yeah, that was on

619
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: the way back in May. We talked about that a

620
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: long time ago. But then by the time we got

621
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: to the end of May, we're like, oh, no, no, no no,

622
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna be the All of a sudden, the arrow

623
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: was going up so quickly, he's clearly the two. Correct.

624
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: There was no longer a doubt about that. I don't

625
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: think there's a need to keep Alex Towny around, and

626
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: so I think low Lett is going to go practice squad.

627
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: And they loved Tanny though too. I know they do

628
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: not enjoy letting. I know they do. And I think

629
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: Penny is gonna stick as a fullback. I agree. I

630
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: think Conrad is gonna stick as the third tight end.

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00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, Okay, can I can I detroy you

632
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: for a moment? Garrett Dickerson had a nice game, Yes

633
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: he did, But I can't keep four tight ends. I'm

634
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: only keeping three and I'm keeping Conrad. But can you

635
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: keep Dickerson over Conrad? I can't I can't is that

636
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: you value the blocking in your third tight end. Dickerson

637
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: is a better receiver, yes, Sehnrad is the better blocker.

638
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: That's the difference. And then they're both young players. I'd

639
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: like to put Dickerson on practice squad again, Okay, if

640
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I could do it, I'd like to try to do it.

641
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna scap him up, okay, because

642
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: he broke two nice tackles on shore passages down. Um.

643
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: So you know again, here's the problem, John, How many

644
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: thousands of times do I have to talk about the

645
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: spider web and the domino effect every move you make.

646
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: It's it's got far reaching consequences. This roster, this roster

647
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: has so many sticky spots on it, on the back

648
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: end of the depth chart, at so many positions. Because

649
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: the Giants are a good team, folks. This team is improving,

650
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: they are getting better, They are younger, and they are

651
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: more talented, and the stickiness is going to create a

652
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: out of agita and stress when they get to the

653
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: fifty three. It's these very problems that tell you the

654
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: Giants are a better team the roster. The roster is

655
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: certainly improved. We'll see how that translates to how good

656
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: of a team they are when they start playing games.

657
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: I didn't say how much better. I said they're better. Correct,

658
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: I know I was just being clear, you know. So

659
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: now the bottom line, John, is you asked me about

660
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: the receivers. I can't find a way to keep seven

661
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: plus tight. It's hard. I know. I don't disagree. Doug

662
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: and Rochester is up next, Doug, Hey, what's up? John?

663
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: Paul h And I know I got some questions. Ask

664
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: you to see if you can run through right real

665
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,479
Speaker 1: quick gratifier. Let's go to the game, see the plays

666
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: and the details. One of my first questions, John goes

667
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: second one to you, Paul. Then I got two montherm

668
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: on the first drive I've seen. He had three in

669
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: complete passes m ms stro So what happened on that?

670
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm kind of concern them out there and called Daniel

671
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Jones fumble again and I wanted to just becoming a problem.

672
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: He had two fumbles. Last name Doug. Yeah, Luckily those

673
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: are two very quick answers. Eli Manning's foreign completions. One

674
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: was a high throw to wing Goleman tour passes Cody

675
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Lattimer probably should have caught. And the fourth wasn't overthrowing

676
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: the corner of the end zone, so he actually threw

677
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: the ball well inaccurately. But two of his passes should

678
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: have been caught and they weren't. And as for Daniel Jones,

679
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: he was literally throwing the ball with the ball cocked

680
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: back to release it when he got hit in the

681
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: back from the blind side. So I would not consider

682
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: that too big of a problem. Any quarterback would have

683
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: fumbled in that situation. That's one of those where the

684
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: pressure was so quick to get to him. Correct, he

685
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: was not going to have much of an opportunity to

686
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: do anything, and it wasn't and it wasn't a blitz either,

687
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: so he couldn't anticipate the pressure coming from his backside

688
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: that quick. Okay, we didn't the second drive. Andy Dunton, Yeah,

689
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: and he seemed like he was that kept seeing Balentine

690
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: then coming off like he was on the cover and

691
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: getting beat well, and he was like yeah, and and

692
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: that's why I wouldn't start Balantine over DEANJ. Baker. Yet

693
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: you see Balentine make these plays. He's great to getting

694
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: his hand on the ball, getting his head around, but

695
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: he's still giving up catches, but he's a sixth round pick.

696
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: That that that's to be expected. So is he giving

697
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: up some plays? Absolutely? Is he making good tackles after

698
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: those catches? Yes? Are they big plays? No? So yeah.

699
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean Valentine is still having his highs and lows

700
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: what you would expect from a rookie sixth round pick. Okay,

701
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: x Man, he had a couple of sacks. I know

702
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: he's not about but he is beat his man ahead,

703
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: Paul take this one x Man Uh and talking to

704
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: me in the locker room, after which one John downstairs

705
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: Uh indicated that he was ecstatic when they called the

706
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: play for him to come rushing around the edge clean

707
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: and and he nailed the QB. Well that's a hell

708
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: of a play. Tell the offensive tackle out to block you.

709
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: Great play call. Coach. They they they they apparently saw something.

710
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: And this is part of what you talk about when

711
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: coordinators are trying to match wits um. They knew, they

712
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: knew what was going on with the keys there as

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00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: to what the Bengals were gonna do. And again this

714
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: is only preseason, but x Man said he knew what

715
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: his call was and he was supposed to come scooping

716
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: around the edge, and when he saw the Bengals line up,

717
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: he knew he was gonna have a free shot and

718
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: he made the most of it. So he was like,

719
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: I said, you like when they call that, don't you?

720
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh yeah, I like that a lot.

721
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: I am not. I am not trying to take anything

722
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: away from him, but he was able to take advantage

723
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: of two miscommunications by the Bengals offensive line slash protection.

724
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: The first one, he came inside on an end tackle

725
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: twist yes and the running back and the tackle did

726
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: not pass off it properly, and he got a free

727
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: run at the quarterback. And then on the second sack,

728
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the offensive tackle with no help to

729
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: the outside of him, just let him go and he

730
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: got after the quarterback. So good for him. He took

731
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: advantage of two mistakes, but it wasn't a traditional go

732
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: take your and he beat O'Shea do goss the legendary

733
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Speaker 1: oshe do gas on on plays one on one either.

734
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: See the thing you got to remember about Zimonez is

735
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: you want to watch him play in and play out.

736
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: And he was very quiet in the first couple of

737
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: preseason games, and here he did have a sack in

738
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: the second one he did. He did it was it

739
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: was nice. The quarterback k of ran into it though.

740
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: It was nice, but not your typical hey workman like sack. Sure, Okay,

741
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: last night he was more active up and down the

742
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He used more of his moves, his

743
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: toolbox as I like to call it, and his repertoire

744
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: to try to get after the ball. And so for

745
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: that reason, I thought it was a big plus game

746
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: for him, even if certainly one of the sacks was

747
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: a lot easier than than maybe you would have thought otherwise. Um,

748
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: but I did think it was a big plus game

749
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: for him, even coach Shermer said he he also played

750
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: better against a run. Like I said, I'm not trying

751
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: to take anything away from it. And I think when

752
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: what I do like when I see him out there,

753
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: and I still think when offensive lineman and get their

754
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: hands on him, that's when he gets into trouble. He

755
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: has trouble getting those hands off of him with the

756
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: strength and the size and making plays. But he has

757
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: good burst, he has good quickness off the edge. I

758
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: don't think he's getting high like you were talking about.

759
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Um A couple of weeks ago on his pass rush

760
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: he was better. Yeah, he was better. Was so I

761
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: I think you're seeing progress. Remember it also takes pass

762
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: washers usually a year or two to kind of get going.

763
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: Not many pass rushers are dominant in their first season,

764
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: especially not third round ones out of old dominion. No,

765
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: they're not. But the Giants need as much out of

766
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: him as they can get immediately. That's the position that

767
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: they're in. I just don't want to raise expectations that

768
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna get two sacks of game here. Okay, I

769
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: didn't check snaps on Marcus Golden, did you see? I

770
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: can check for you right now, because you know, after

771
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: he beat the tight end in a one on one

772
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: matchup last week for a nice shack, he was pretty quiet.

773
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: He I don't think he played a lot though. I

774
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: don't think he did. He deventeen snaps and what was

775
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: his that you got his? Uh? And he's this. He

776
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: didn't have any solo tackles. I don't think I was.

777
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: I was a little bit disappointed, and you know, one

778
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: tackle that's yeah. I didn't talk to the linebackers coaches today,

779
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: but I was kind of hoping that we would see

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00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: Golden build off of last week's performance and having even more. Um,

781
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what's the word. I'm looking for impactful?

782
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: How about productive? A more productive game now again? And

783
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: I want to make something clear to folks and Coach

784
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: Sherman how to answer this question last week because somebody

785
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: was asking about Dexter Lawrence and said, well, look at

786
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: the stats. You know he's not being very productive. And

787
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: Coach was very, very careful to say, you can't just

788
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: look at the stat line. A player can be productive

789
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: without necessarily putting stats on the board. It's the game

790
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: within the game. Now, I'd have to go back and

791
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: look at the tape, which I have not done yet

792
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: this morning. You know, we got in a very very

793
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: early John is able to actually look at it on

794
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: the plane because he's got some kind of computer thing

795
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: that allows me to do that computer thing. That's the

796
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: testical term for a by the way, folks, computer thing.

797
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: Check it out. It's awesome. Yeah. Uh, but I'd like

798
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 1: to see if Golden did well in the game within

799
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: the game right now. I'm a little suspicious that he

800
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: did not have a very active night, and frankly I

801
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: was I think Lorenzo Carter had that active in night

802
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: either eighteen snaps to assisted tackles, but he's done better

803
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: in the first two games. Correct to five on three.

804
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: Bob in Pennsylvania's up next day, Bob, Hey, guys, uh

805
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: really love my Giants, but let's get to the regular

806
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: season already. Just got done watching the preseason replay here.

807
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Bob. Let's do it and all

808
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: this noise you got, I'm gonna write down people's predictions.

809
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a very specific prediction is to win.

810
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is going to make his first start. Okay, John,

811
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: You've got the same fools who know nothing about Giants

812
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: football who are killing the Giants on drafting Jones. Now

813
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: they're the same fools who want him starting Week one. Well,

814
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what's going to happen this year,

815
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: our two thousand and eleven. We're going to find a

816
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 1: way to win the division by winning that last game

817
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: against the Eagles on the final day. Um Eli is

818
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: going to go on a run. He's going to get

819
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: his third Super Bowl. Then he's gonna retire, because why

820
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: not go out on top and tell everybody to stuff it?

821
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: Next year against Cleveland on Thursday Night Football is when

822
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is going to make his first start against

823
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, and Odell Beckham and O'Dell is gonna

824
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: say the reason why the Giants are on prime time

825
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: is because of him, that this is what's going to

826
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: happen this year. Hey, I like your I like to

827
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: segment in the huddle too. That's a pretty good show.

828
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Thank you, Paul. Paul does a great

829
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 1: job talking to the former Giants, and you know, Mado

830
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: and I talked some of the current guys and some

831
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: of the analysts out there. I really like listening to

832
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: all the former players. And the only one I really

833
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: put me to sleep was the analytic guy. But other

834
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: than that, it's a really segment. But I'm really talk

835
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 1: you know, we're getting back to football this year. I'm

836
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: so happy with that trade. And you've got just like

837
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: you've got some people who older guys like Charlie and

838
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: Lynn who look at the stats of a guy. But

839
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: football is the ultimate team game and stats are for losers.

840
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no. I can't let

841
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: you do that. To learnon Charlie that actually to call Lennon.

842
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: Charlie may sometimes Charlie a bit more than sometimes be misguided,

843
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: but we kind of straighten them out and trust me,

844
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: those guys are not stat mongers and that guys love

845
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: the game and stats also aren't for losers. They're not

846
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: they do matter, they do matter. They're part of They're

847
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: not everything, but they matter. They are part of the

848
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: pizza pi. Correct, They're a part of the pizza pie.

849
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: Two four, five, one three. That was one of the

850
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Speaker 1: most I've never had a bold prediction predicting not only

851
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: this season's result, but what the schedule is gonna be

852
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: in before the twenty nine It's it's very impressive, a

853
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: creative call. Thank you so much. Bob right his name, Bob,

854
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 1: call us again sometimes Bob in Pennsylvania. Your bold prediction

855
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: is on the board, Happy to do it for you

856
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: and that that that was that was very bold. Let's

857
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: go to Jeff and Huntington. That's presented by coreps like Jeff,

858
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: what's up, hey, hi, guys. You know On last night's broadcast,

859
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: UM Pop Popam made a point of of calling out

860
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: Will Hernandezs penalties and and and fractions that weren't called

861
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: for penalties, and so my my question is is this

862
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: is he out on an island because I always thought

863
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: left and right tackles were out on the island, but uh,

864
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: it seemed like it wasn't There Maybe a miscommunication possibly

865
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: between center and guard or guard and tackle maybe on

866
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: some of those infractions. Jeff the way, the way, if

867
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: defensive set you up a certain way with how they

868
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: line up their fronts, you can create one on one

869
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: matchups with how you set up blitzes and set a

870
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: pressures and set up your formation. So I don't know

871
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: play to play if there are any mistakes by how

872
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: Apeo on those plays, but I can tell you well

873
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Hernandez spoke I forget who he spoke to in the

874
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: media on the way out of the locker room out

875
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: of an art Stapleton, and he was very unhappy with

876
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: how he played. He did not play particularly well, he

877
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: admitted as much. Gino Atkins kind of had his way

878
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: over there. And I think Will Hernandez is a better

879
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: football player than what he showed in the first quarter

880
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: and a half of that game last night. I will

881
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 1: see you from the moment I've met Will Hernandez. This

882
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: guy has a tremendous amount of pride and a tremendous

883
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: amount of drive, And nobody cuts himself up more than

884
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: will Hernandez after he has a bad game, right and

885
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that, uh last night was an anomaly versus

886
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: you know what will be. But the other question I

887
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: basically have then is our center Halapio, is he the

888
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: outright number one right now? Or is there still a

889
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: question as to whether Pully uh and he are are

890
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: are in a competition. Coach made it very clear on

891
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: the conference call this morning that he's got two starting centers. Uh.

892
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 1: Po has been getting more of the first team reps.

893
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: Obviously in the game, he's getting all of them. But

894
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: here's the thing, Uh, they feel so good about Pully

895
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: coaches very very Um what's the word I'm looking for,

896
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: j I won't say KG, but he's made it a

897
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: point and he's been obvious about it. He feels he

898
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: has six starting offensive line he does, that's true. You know,

899
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: he's got his starting five which opened the game. And

900
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: then he considers Pulley as good as the starters and

901
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: has told his time and TI him again that either

902
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: Po or Pulley could play guard if necessary, and I

903
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: think that goes to show you how much better he

904
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: feels about this line as compared to last summer, when

905
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: you know he had a reconstituted line. They didn't know

906
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: exactly what they were gonna do at the center spot.

907
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: They didn't know exactly what they were going to do

908
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: with right tackle. They were hoping and praying that Eric

909
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: Flowers would work out, but it didn't. The center spot

910
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: became a mishmash of injury. The right guard spot also

911
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: became a roving. Not a roving, but a carousel of

912
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: of horses. And so you don't look at it now.

913
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: He knows who his guys are when he starts the game,

914
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: and he knows who his top reserve is. When doesn't

915
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: know is who is his swing tackle. I don't think

916
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: he's got one. I think Nick Gates right now is

917
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: the leader in the clubhouse and is probably the top

918
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: reserve at left tackle. I don't know if he is

919
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: the top preserve at right tackle right now. Po is

920
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: doing his job because my concern is that, prior to

921
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: his injury last year, I was not a little underwhelming,

922
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: and that's when Pulley came in. Well, Pully had a

923
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: terrific second half of the season. Thank you appreciate it.

924
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: You know, I have been very vocal that because of

925
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: what Pully did during the final two months of two

926
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: thou eighteen, and of course see how the year is

927
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: the starting center with the Chargers, which gives him a

928
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: lot more experience at the position than PO. I always

929
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: THO a little along that Pully would be the guy,

930
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: but it's not turning out that way. I don't think

931
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: Po played his best game against the Bengals last night.

932
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: I think he was better in the first two preseason games.

933
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: I would be yon shocked if he was not starting

934
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: at center Week one against House. At this point, I

935
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: will see this. If Po goes into a slump for

936
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: a few weeks, I don't think there'd be much hesitation

937
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: to give Pulley the shot. Zero zero hesitation to five

938
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: one three. Rick and Tamp has been holding the longest. Hey, Rick,

939
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: it's because I like listening to you guys every day.

940
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: You know, I don't mind holding. I appreciate that. Thanks up.

941
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 1: How are you doing? How are you okay? Uh? Well,

942
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: one thing is that being down here in Tampa. The

943
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: main game that was on at eight o'clock last night

944
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: was Jacksonville, Miami, and I had to watch a certain

945
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, who's going to be a beast I believe

946
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: in the league, play and it just made me even

947
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: more upset that the Giants did not take him as

948
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: at six pick. So that was one thing last night.

949
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: I was still a little bit upset because I mean,

950
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: it's so apparent that we needed a pass rusher and

951
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: we didn't get him, and so that wasn't a good thing.

952
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: The other thing is the wide receivers. And I called

953
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: you guys earlier last week or but for the first preseason,

954
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to see the white sis catch the basic

955
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: balls and everything I don't need acrobatic I want. And

956
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: then one of you guys said to me that coach

957
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: Shermer big thing for him is dropped past now with

958
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: the fragility of our offense needing to click because our

959
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: defense could be a little bit young as Paul, as

960
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: you said in the beginning, the Latimer dropping those passes

961
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: is unforgivable almost. I mean, I really don't have anything

962
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: to say good about That's that's that's concerning because it

963
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: was right in his hands and we can't have that.

964
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: So I wasn't too happy about that. The other thing

965
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: is commonly played last I didn't see him play. How

966
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: did he do? Paul? I didn't see him. Uh. I

967
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: can't follow everybody during the game, but I wanted to

968
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: see how well he did. Want to see you at

969
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: three tackles and and again, you know, he gets around

970
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: and he covers a lot of ground, and I know

971
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: coach continues to be impressed with him, and the arrow

972
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: is pointed up. I do think right now he and

973
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: Ta Davis are are the two you guys outside of

974
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: Ogletree who were in that mix to be the inside backers,

975
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: the top three in the rotation, if you will. But

976
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 1: I want to say one thing about Latimer and John

977
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: back me up on this. You've been at the practices,

978
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: You've seen them. Corey Latimer's had a really nice training camp, sure,

979
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: and the first two preseason games he was more than terrific.

980
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: So I get it. He did not hold on to

981
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: everything thrown his way last night, and that's that's a

982
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: little demerit, but it doesn't undo everything else he's done.

983
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: I can't see him coming off the fifty three. Do

984
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 1: you think he's your starting wide receiver across from Sterling?

985
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: Shepherd in Week one. I do I do too, really

986
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: I do. I like the kid that Jones was throwing to, uh,

987
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: the second the second string. What was his name? Yeah,

988
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, he's making some place the question

989
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: real quick. Let you go the that first play that

990
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: Cincinnati burned us on, and you know, and and I'm thinking, okay,

991
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: this is gonna be Cowboys. Is Zach going to roll

992
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: out and Dad's gonna roll out? And there you go

993
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: the tight and over middle yard game. Was that a

994
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: mistake that first play that Cincinnati got a lot of

995
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: yards on or was that just bad coverage or was

996
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: I mean, what was the confusion on that and on

997
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: that play? I don't remember, honestly, I don't remember this

998
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: specific play. It was the first play of the game.

999
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: You're talking about, Yeah, the rollout, the yeah he hit

1000
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: the tight end. I guess, yeah, my my guests, my

1001
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: guess is that the Giants were too aggressive biting on

1002
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: the play. Action passed there and they were over aggressive

1003
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: on the run and somebody went for the back and

1004
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: didn't stick in their coverage. I would have to look

1005
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: at the play again off the top of my head

1006
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: to know exactly what happened. I don't remember it specifically

1007
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: because I washed it around two o'clock in the morning

1008
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: on the plane last night. But I would imagine someone

1009
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: just probably bit too hard on the playoffs and pass

1010
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: yea twenty yards on the first down play from the Bengals.

1011
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 1: Is I recall there were there were two possibilities, and

1012
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: I don't know what the defensive call was, so I'm

1013
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: not gonna pin it down, but I will they'll tell you.

1014
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: I thought the two possibilities at the time was one

1015
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: he slipped in behind the linebackers in the zone because

1016
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: there was a nice chunk of space there and and

1017
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: that was one possibility. The other possibility was somebody busted

1018
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: a coverage and was supposed to trail him. One of

1019
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: the backers was supposed to be with him. Was it

1020
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: a play ash and pass or or remember the play?

1021
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember if it was play action. I simply

1022
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: remember following the following the ball, gosh, here we go.

1023
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: And I thought ahead to Dallas game, going, come on,

1024
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: you know that's what they're gonna do. And then starts

1025
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: the first first drive and we'll be like, here we

1026
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: go again. But like you said, Paul, they gotta break

1027
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: out these kinks they gotta work through. We just gotta

1028
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: hope that work score enough points to them. They're gonna

1029
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: be there. They're gonna be there. Yeah, all right, thanks

1030
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: a lot. I'll talk to you. Have a good one.

1031
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: I say, I can bring up the play on game

1032
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: pass real quick if I can before all right, before

1033
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: the show ends, but it'll take me a couple of minutes.

1034
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're all presented by Corps Light here

1035
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: on Big Blue. Kick off a lot. Let's go a

1036
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: chuckles in Portland, Maine. Hi, chuckles. Hey guys, Hey Paul

1037
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: to listen to you guys all night. I'm sorry about

1038
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: good thank you. I got to hear the game. We

1039
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun he did. It was a

1040
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 1: lot of fun, Paul, Paul did a great job. Thank you. Definitely. Hey,

1041
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: I think Alonzo Russell is going to make the team,

1042
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: just simply because they usually have one spot for a

1043
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: special team player, and I think he's going to be

1044
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: the guy. And what Fiegel said, he said, of the

1045
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: guys who were on the punt team are the guys

1046
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: who were going to be on the fifty three. And

1047
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: Russell was definitely on the punt team, So I I

1048
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: think he's going to make it because of that reason, Charlie,

1049
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: if you want to cut before you go anywhere else,

1050
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: think of the problems you have right now at receiver.

1051
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: If you like the fact that Golden is flashed. And

1052
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: by the way, Alex Wesley also was the gunner on

1053
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of those place dude, doesn't mean he's gonna

1054
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: be on the team. But I mean, if you if

1055
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, Golden's flashed, so I could see why you

1056
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: might like him, But I don't have room for him.

1057
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: Russell is another guy who has done some really nice things.

1058
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have room for him either.

1059
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: This this is a problem. That's that's not the play

1060
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: I was talking about. Well, that's the play he was

1061
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: talking about that. Well then, okay, I was talking about

1062
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: one that was over the middle. Well that's why I

1063
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: wanted to look at it, all right, So then guess what,

1064
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: that doesn't match up with what I was thinking. So

1065
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: so back back to your point, Charlie. Back Back to

1066
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: your point, Charlie. And Reggie White is another kid for

1067
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: the kid from Mammoth who's got size and length and

1068
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: has made some plays. Look, you could make an argument

1069
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: that the Giants have ten receivers that you like something

1070
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: about that makes you want to keep them right, But

1071
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: you can put you can put White on the practice squad,

1072
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: you know. Um, so that's that's not an issue, which

1073
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: that's probably where it'll end up. You can also on

1074
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: the practice squad too. He's all so eligible, I know,

1075
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: but I just think he's going to make the team

1076
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: because he's just a special teams guy. Plus he you know,

1077
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: I think Golden is the guy that is. It's going

1078
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: to be a hard cut because who else do we

1079
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: have as a plunt reecher I don't think has got

1080
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: to make the team. A lot of guys, a lot

1081
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: of guys who return punts. It's about who do you

1082
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: want to do it? Capable guys. Peppers is capable, Lattimer

1083
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,479
Speaker 1: is capable, Tate is capable, Slayton is capable. They got

1084
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: they got a bunch of guys. By the way, Stern

1085
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: Shephard can do it too if you need. Sure, they

1086
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: got probably seven or eight guys who can return punts.

1087
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: The question is do you want them to do it right? Hey?

1088
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: And look it's time for subpar Togo. I mean, I

1089
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: think after mistening four tackles. I think it's time to

1090
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: get another live actor in there. And I love that

1091
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 1: kid from Southern Texas with l san Antonio. Yeah yeah,

1092
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: I think he should make the fifty three. I think

1093
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: so he should take Subpars place. You know what, And Charlie,

1094
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: I made a mistake. I need you to pronounce that name.

1095
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: Can Can you go ahead and do that place? So

1096
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: come on, give it a shot. It's okay, give it

1097
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: a shot. What do you got? I thought I thought

1098
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: it was al stereo too much. You're You're a coward.

1099
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: That's what you are. To be honest, to be, to

1100
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: be honest with you, Charlie. If I had my preference,

1101
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: it would just be Carson. Thank you, Thank you, Charlie.

1102
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: I want to make sure again our final call before

1103
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: we say good, and that's Scott and DC. He will

1104
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: wrap us up today. It's all presented by Corps Light Scotty.

1105
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: Do what's up here? Guys? Um, I'm not with the media.

1106
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm not clickbaid. All I've all I've done is us

1107
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: every snof Giants for the last four to seven years.

1108
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: So I'm sure you guys know a lot more than

1109
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: I do. Uh In my opinion, though, you are the

1110
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: distraction for the Giants the season and in the future. Uh.

1111
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: You know, I called several months ago and asked you, John,

1112
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: if you thought Eli was going to get a quarterback

1113
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: of the next Super Bowl winning the Giants team. And

1114
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: you wouldn't answer the question. Well that that no, that

1115
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: I not. I will say it right now. I think

1116
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: it's very unlikely. All right, Well, when you've changed, I

1117
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: really don't think that's true. But okay, I don't remember

1118
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: the call, but go ahead, a sure. Maybe it was

1119
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: Lancey asd and not me. No, no, it was you.

1120
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: Uh but but but the point is, you know he's

1121
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: not the future of the team. Yeah, we know that

1122
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: they're not gonna they're not gonna win the Super Bowl

1123
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: with him. They gotta pull the band aid off before

1124
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: you you jump at me and say I'm an Eli hit.

1125
00:57:55,720 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: That's wrong, Paul. Paul's gonna say, I don't know all

1126
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: one on one, Paul left. I went to the library.

1127
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: There is no book football one on one. There isn't

1128
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: my library. I could get it for you if you like,

1129
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: show me the book, give me the tired all right.

1130
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: I read a Congress number and I'll read it. Scott

1131
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: real quick, Scott Scott real quick quick. There are a

1132
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. There are a lot of different

1133
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: ways to win football. The Giants have done a different way.

1134
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: Is I just don't finish answer. I got to move on.

1135
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: I will explain it to you if you want to listen,

1136
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 1: you want to listen, sure, okay. The Giants believe there

1137
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: is value to Daniel Jones's future development to not having

1138
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: to start right away. They believe they help him down

1139
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: the line by allowing him to watch at the beginning

1140
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: of his career. So it's as much about trying to

1141
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: bring him along the way they want to bring him

1142
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: along as it is about Eli Manning, who they think

1143
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: now gives them a better chance to win as many

1144
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: football games as possible. Those, those are those are the

1145
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: two prompts. I understand that, and that's perfectly good logic.

1146
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: It was great logic for Aaron Rodgers, great logic with

1147
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: Webman Louletta and the host of quarterbacks that they have

1148
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: brought in. The point of matter is, but they were

1149
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: not raised the level of play of his teammates, and

1150
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: they got to find someone who can. They drafted Daniel

1151
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: Jones six. What else you want him to do well, John,

1152
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: April and April, go back and listen to the show

1153
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: this year, just several weeks ago, you said, no way

1154
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: in hell they draft Daniel Jones six And I was

1155
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: very surprised by that. And I've said that multiple times.

1156
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: So what's your point. I'm allowed to be wrong. By

1157
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: the way, I'm not perfect. That's my wife. They've they

1158
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: made the mistake that Belichick wouldn't make. They Belichick doesn't

1159
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: keep players a year too long some years. I'm confused. Wait,

1160
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: first year, killing the draft pick, and you're saying it

1161
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: was a bad pick, and at the same time you're

1162
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: saying they need to play Daniel Jones right away. How

1163
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: can both of those be true at the same time.

1164
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: You can't. John, if you if you go back and

1165
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: listen just ten seconds ago, I did not kill them

1166
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: for making the draft pick. What I'm saying is they

1167
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: haven't found the quarterback yet, and having Eli Manning's twenty

1168
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: million dollar contracts on the roster for the last three

1169
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: years has injured the team as a whole. Just just

1170
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: just just yesterday or two days ago, Uh Paul said

1171
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: this is the best roster, best ninety they've had in

1172
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: in in whatever I said it, and I'll continue to

1173
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: say but but but you're missing the point. I don't

1174
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: understand your point. What's your point, Paul? They fall behind

1175
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: the lead. You have to compare it not to the

1176
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: Giants prior rosters, but to the rest of the league,

1177
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: and they keep falling behind the rest of the league.

1178
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: You understand elies Eli Swarry, but you know you really

1179
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: need to get you a fact straight before you call

1180
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: up and make make ridiculous comments. Eli Sawary does not

1181
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: even put him in the top ten highest paid quarterbacks

1182
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: in the league. You understand that, right. That's good. That's

1183
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: good because he's not a top ten quarterback. Okay, So hey, wow,

1184
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 1: how about that? You finally got something right? No, it's Scott. Scott. Scott.

1185
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: Do you want us to go back in time and

1186
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: fix the Giants roster two years ago? No, I'm just

1187
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: trying to learn lessons from the path. Again, i only

1188
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: have forty seven years of experience. What Scott? What Scott?

1189
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: They fired their general manager because of those mistakes. They

1190
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: made the change years ago. When I called three years ago,

1191
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: you were you were criticizing callers for criticizing the management

1192
01:01:56,320 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: and five years ago criticizing with callers for criticizing the man. Scott,

1193
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: we have talked about on this show for years about

1194
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: how the Giants middle round draft picks have not worked out.

1195
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 1: If you haven't heard that, that's your problem, because we've

1196
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: said it a chillion times. I've heard it. I called,

1197
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: I called and said that that Justin Q is never

1198
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: gonna make it a tackle. I called and said, Witchberg

1199
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: is never gonna find a second contract. Okay, I had

1200
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: those exactly right. Sure that that's great, But what's your

1201
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: point now? This is today, This isn't five years ago,

1202
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: this is today only to throw a parade for the

1203
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: point is, as you said John several months ago, they

1204
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: need to pull the band aid off and move on.

1205
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: I first, okay, thanks Scott, because now you're inventing quotes

1206
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: that that I didn't say five months ago, and appreciate you.

1207
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: Have a good day. I've never said you need to

1208
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: rip the band aid off. Those words have never come

1209
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: out of my mouth. I promise you that. Yeah, that's

1210
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 1: not a phrase you would use, not a million years.

1211
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: It's not. Look, I think I think the big issue,

1212
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: by the way, A Paul, when if I ever said

1213
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: I think Eli man is gonna win the next Giant

1214
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I don't remember you're saying that either. Ever, No,

1215
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I could see maybe you're saying that not me. Yeah,

1216
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm certainly much more apt to say it than you are.

1217
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: Just exactly, I could not say that with conviction either

1218
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: right now. I just don't understand Scott's point. If this

1219
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 1: point is that they should have moved on from Melie

1220
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: Manning two or three years ago, I don't. I don't.

1221
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: You're the point you try to make him understand early

1222
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: in the phone call was really the most logical thing

1223
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 1: that could have been said to to the caller, and

1224
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: that is, if you are the biggest Daniel Jones fan

1225
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: in the world and you want him to succeed over

1226
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: the course of the next decade as the Giants starting quarterback,

1227
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: well the best thing you could do is to allow

1228
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: him to sit behind Eli Manning soak it up like

1229
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: a sponge watch the Giants win, so that Daniel Jones

1230
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: soaks up all of those winning juices and enjoys the

1231
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: experience and the knowledge of being on a team that

1232
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: goes to the playoffs in two thousand nineteen. And if

1233
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: they should decide to give them the ball in twenty

1234
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: or in twenty one, whenever it comes about in the

1235
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: next two years, that he has a tremendous mental and

1236
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: emotional foundation to build on for the next decade. That's it.

1237
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: I understand. Want to get Daniel Jones are as quickly

1238
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: as possible. As an overall theory, I get it. I

1239
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: understand the point, and if you want to do that,

1240
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: I understand that. I get it. I'm just trying to

1241
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: explain to you what the Giants philosophy is and why

1242
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: they're doing what they're doing. That's all I'm trying to do,

1243
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: because I get it. You want to see the young

1244
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: guy play. I understand it makes sense, I get it.

1245
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm just understanding. I'm just trying to explain why the

1246
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: Giants are doing what they do. If you want to

1247
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: disagree with it, that's fine. I'm just trying to explain

1248
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: to you why they do it. In closing, you have

1249
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: the rare luxury of allowing your high number one draft

1250
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: choice quarterback to sit behind a future Hall of Famer

1251
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: and to gain everything he can from him. That doesn't

1252
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: happen very often, because most times when you draft a quarterback,

1253
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: very high in the first round. John, it means your

1254
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: team was so stink and bad and your quarterback was

1255
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: so stink and bad that you can't wait to get

1256
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: the rookie into the starting lineup because the guy ahead

1257
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: of him is miserable. That's not the case here. And

1258
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't want to hear calls call

1259
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: up and say how we don't allow people to call

1260
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: up and be critical either, because I allowed him to

1261
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: go on for about six minutes saying things that were

1262
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: just factually incorrect. Man, that was like swallowing quicksands. Wasn't.

1263
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: So I don't want to hear that either. Everybody, Thanks

1264
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: with Colin, and thanks for being part of the show. Well,

1265
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: I was all on time. I took the last call

1266
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: one fifty seven. I was gonna be done it too,

1267
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: and then this and then this happened. It's all presented

1268
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Speaker 1: by Corps Life for Paula Tino. I'm John Schmelkin. Joy

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Speaker 1: your weekend, everybody. We'll be back with you on Monday

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Speaker 1: and one on for another edition of Big Book Kick

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Speaker 1: Off Live. We'll see then. Audios