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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Trail Mom, Rachel Morn's bludgeon

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Speaker 1: killer busted and with us Tonight, Rachel's mother breaks her silence.

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Speaker 1: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Trail Mom. Rachel Morin's killer caught in a Tulsa bar.

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Speaker 2: The suspect, Victor Hernandez, on the run from his native

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Speaker 2: El Salvador for yet another murder. Today, Rachel Morin's mom

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Speaker 2: speaks out, you know, everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I look, I see him. I see him everywhere I look.

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Speaker 1: Why do I have to keep seeing him? I want

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Speaker 1: to see Rachel Moron Beautiful on the inside, beautiful on

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Speaker 1: the outside, no question about that. But in my mind,

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Speaker 1: more important than her striking view, she is the mother

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Speaker 1: of five, the mother of five children, and before that,

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Speaker 1: she was a daughter to a wonderful mom, Patty Mourn,

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Speaker 1: Miss Moran, thank you for being with.

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Speaker 3: Us, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: The big news across every banner is that Rachel's killer

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Speaker 1: has been caught, But there's so much more to this story.

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Speaker 1: Ms Moran. How did you learn that Rachel's killer had

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Speaker 1: been caught? Because this was a man hunt like no other,

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Speaker 1: crossing borders all the way to Old Salvador.

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Speaker 3: Actually, the sheriff department reached out to our family and

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Speaker 3: had set up a meeting in their office to let

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Speaker 3: us know that they had identified the suspect and that

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Speaker 3: they were in the process of trying to locate him.

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Speaker 3: So at the time we weren't allowed to say anything.

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Speaker 3: They showed us a picture of him, and then we

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Speaker 3: were expecting that it would still take some time, but miraculously,

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Speaker 3: within hours after they informed us, they were able to

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Speaker 3: locate him and apprehend him.

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Speaker 1: Looking at this guy, he looks like somebody you might

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Speaker 1: pass on the way to the subway or at the

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Speaker 1: grocery store. Little did everyone know, this guy with the

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Speaker 1: big smile laid in wait to catch Rachel, mother of five,

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Speaker 1: and she walked around the bend of the Ma and

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Speaker 1: Paw trail there near bel Air, Maryland. As you can see,

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Speaker 1: the bend in the trail gives him perfect cover. He's

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Speaker 1: like a hyena waiting at the water pool, waiting for

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Speaker 1: the beautiful gazelle to come by and then pounds just waiting.

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Speaker 1: Rachel had no idea what would befall her that day

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Speaker 1: tracking this guy. This guy Victor Antonio Martinez her Nandez

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Speaker 1: was no easy thing. Listen, if he's come.

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Speaker 4: Under the radar through Haida, that means they may have

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Speaker 4: already had pre incident contact with this guy on other

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Speaker 4: types of crimes, narcotics investigations, or something to that effect.

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Speaker 4: The fact that the sheriff mentioned them the other day

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Speaker 4: as a partner who assisted in this case, that threw

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Speaker 4: me a red flag that, Okay, this guy had been

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Speaker 4: in this country and now that big question is what

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Speaker 4: was he doing. Was he running dope? You know? Was

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Speaker 4: he working for somebody? And maybe this is what gave

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Speaker 4: him the availability to travel around the United States and

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Speaker 4: how he ended up in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: Joining me in addition to Rachel's mother Patty, is renowned

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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from La. Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: I've tried so many cases where the victim was involved

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Speaker 1: in wrongdoing. I've tried a lot of drug cases that

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Speaker 1: turned into homicide cases. But there are those singular cases.

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Speaker 1: There are those cases that strike me where it's such

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Speaker 1: a dichotomy of good versus evil. You have Rachel mourn young, beautiful, happy,

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Speaker 1: a fantastic mother. And you know how I feel, Bethany.

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Speaker 1: There is no greater compliment to me than someone saying,

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Speaker 1: you know what, you're really a good mom. She devoted

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Speaker 1: herself to five children. You got her, and you got

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Speaker 1: this guy just trucking a lawn. Martinez Hernandez already killed

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Speaker 1: one person in El Salvador, sneaks over here, somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the timeline, he sex assaults a nine year old little girl.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you, Bethany, doctor Bethany, there are more victims,

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Speaker 1: be they in Virginia, in California, in Tulsa, where he

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Speaker 1: was apprehended, I'm not sure, but I do know this.

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Speaker 1: These are not his only victims. The dichotomy I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: You've got Rachel Morin, just beautiful, just beloved by her family,

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Speaker 1: her mother, who is with us today, and you got

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Speaker 1: this guy. And it makes me wonder this age old question,

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Speaker 1: why to our very best people fall victim to people

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Speaker 5: Yes, good and evil, it's right there. And what I

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Speaker 5: perpetrator is what I would call poly perverse, and so

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Speaker 5: this makes this guy very, very dangerous. And the other

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Speaker 5: thing Nancy. That strikes me is the enormous amount of

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Speaker 5: energy that goes into these crimes. This guy is not

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Speaker 5: just you know, in one town or one village and

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Speaker 5: you know, just sneaking out at night and killing or

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Speaker 5: raping somebody. This guy is traveling all over the world.

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Speaker 5: So if he hadn't been caught, we could have had

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what you mean by could have

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Speaker 1: old girl has been raped, and I guarantee you there

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Speaker 1: are more dead bodies in his wake. And the real

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Speaker 1: reason this guy has been caught before he could kill

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Speaker 1: again is because of Rachel Morin and the publicity and

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Speaker 1: the intent, the iron will her mother had to see

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Speaker 1: Rachel Morin is. She is the lady that moms want

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Speaker 1: their girls to grow up and be. That's who Rachel

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Speaker 1: Moren is. Who is this guy? Listen?

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Speaker 6: Five hours after meeting with the family and just before

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Speaker 6: midnight our time police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our

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Speaker 6: federal partners located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez.

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Speaker 6: So far, we have learned that the suspect now pictured

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Speaker 6: on the screens is a twenty year twenty three year

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Speaker 6: old citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the border

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Speaker 1: Ms Morn, could you tell to our listeners who is Rachel?

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Speaker 1: I guess the backdrop of who is this guy? Her Nandez.

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Speaker 3: Well, Rachel from birth on has been this little spark,

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Speaker 3: like a little fireball. I remember her being like fourteen

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Speaker 3: fifteen months old, and she's very petite, fair skin, bright

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Speaker 3: orange hair, and she just loved life. She loved learning

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Speaker 3: new things. Everything excited her. The excitement wasn't learning, but

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Speaker 3: also she was very sensitive. She cared about people, She

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Speaker 3: up to be just a wonderful woman. Balanced. I loved

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Speaker 3: she didn't have a problem disagreeing with mom because Mom's

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Speaker 3: a little older and more traditional that she was. But

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Speaker 3: that's what made her who she was. She knew who

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Speaker 3: she was. She loved her children. She devoted herself to

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Speaker 1: Ms Mouran, can you tell me about Rachel's children and

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Speaker 1: how they have been responding to mommy being gone.

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Speaker 3: Yes, in the beginning, it was they lived in denial.

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Speaker 3: They couldn't understand why she was gone. They couldn't understand

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Speaker 3: I just want my friend back, and she couldn't understand

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Speaker 3: that she couldn't come back to her. I know that

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Speaker 3: they've been getting a counseling and help processing this, but

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Speaker 3: I think that it's going to be a long time

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Speaker 1: Patty. How old is her youngest eight years old? There

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Speaker 1: are five of them. Have they been kept together or

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Speaker 1: did they have to be separated?

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Speaker 3: There's five, they're all separated. Her oldest daughter has been

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Speaker 3: and they're actually expecting their first baby, so Rachel's missing

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Speaker 3: the birth for first granddaughter. Then two of her children,

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Speaker 1: You know, until I had the twins, you know, I

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Speaker 1: the significance of being there when the grandchild came. Of course,

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Speaker 1: my children have just turned sixteen. But the thought that

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Speaker 1: The most important thing that happens to them in their

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Speaker 1: and I was first when I heard about her murder.

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Speaker 1: I was just struck by her incredible physical beauty. But

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Speaker 1: the more I learned about her, she was completely devoted

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Speaker 6: Victor Hernandez did not come here to make a better

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Speaker 6: life for himself or for his family. He came here

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Speaker 6: to escape the crime he committed No Salvador. He came

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Speaker 6: here and murdered Rachel and God willing no one else.

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Speaker 4: But that should have never been allowed to happen.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Rachel Mooren's mother speaking out.

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Speaker 1: Patty Mooren along with her life lawyer, also joining us

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Speaker 1: Randolph Rice, who is the family lawyer? I might add

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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill joining me in addition to doctor Bethany Marshall.

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Speaker 1: Vincent Hill reporter, investigative reporter of Fox forty five in

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Speaker 1: author of playbook to a Murder. Vincent, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us. I want to try and explain, but you're

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Speaker 1: very familiar with the path. How this guy, a predator,

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Speaker 1: already murdered one woman back in El Salvador, already attacked

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Speaker 1: he is waiting along this trail. And this is not

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Speaker 1: a trail where nobody can say, you know, Vincent, how

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Speaker 1: people love to say, oh, I would never have gone

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Speaker 1: walking on that trail by myself or everybody feels in

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Speaker 1: the blank right there. It drives me crazy. So they

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Speaker 1: makes you feel safe. That's not going to happen to you.

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Speaker 1: But this trail, Ma and Paw Trail, it's a family trail.

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Speaker 1: Families are on it all the time. If you look

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Speaker 1: it all the time. And I just want to point

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Speaker 1: out there is no way to insinuate that Rachel Moore

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Speaker 1: want to dispel that myth because I've heard it. It's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: I mean, if Rachel had any inkling that something would

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Speaker 7: the fact that she was alone, she wouldn't have been there.

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Speaker 7: But on that particular day, I'm sure there were hundreds

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Speaker 7: of people out because the weather was nice. This guy

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Speaker 7: was lying in wait. He had been to that trail

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Speaker 7: he'd maybe even seen Rachel before, because we know that

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Speaker 7: he had been in Maryland for quite some time before

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Speaker 7: he did what he he did. So Rachel was just

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Speaker 1: You know, Vincent, I want to address something that you

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Speaker 8: There was a bend in the trail that most likely

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Speaker 9: DNA evidence was collected by our Forensic Services Union. That

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Speaker 1: Patty Moren. This is Rachel's mother, Ms. Mouran. Yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: so sorry what you've lived through, but I know you're

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Speaker 10: So painful and grieving to think what my daughter experienced

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Speaker 1: Randolph, I'm so glad you're there with Ms. Moran. I'm

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Speaker 1: to Chris mcdonna. He is the director of the Cold

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Speaker 4: You know I lost a child in two thousand and three,

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Speaker 11: And you know, I know that Nancy's given you an

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Speaker 12: Even this morning, I will personally be leading the prosecution

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Speaker 1: Thank Heaven, there is a prosecutor with some backbone that

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Speaker 6: Listen, We're still looking for information. He was in this

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Speaker 6: Still have information, and now that there's a name to

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Speaker 1: And in that Vein says, the case is still being built.

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Speaker 1: That cannot happen in this case. That cannot happen in

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know I tried

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Speaker 1: never forget it. He was wearing ah on Michael Jackson,

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Speaker 1: It's the fingerprint nature of the crimes, the similarities. In

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you he did the same thing in Rachel's murder.

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Speaker 1: The similarities of these cases, and there's going to be more.

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Speaker 13: Ye Now, you're right, and it's you know, as a

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Speaker 13: You know, this gentleman. When he gets back to Maryland,

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Speaker 13: And then it starts with these scheduling conferences as to

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Speaker 13: But there's two options that he's going to have to

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Speaker 13: Here's a great thing about Hartford County, and I say

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Speaker 1: tracking down a killer. I'm just wondering how you're getting

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Speaker 3: Actually I haven't really slept at all in the last

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Speaker 3: ten months because you just you think about Rachel's life.

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Speaker 3: You think about all the details before she was murdered,

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Speaker 3: and you think, is there any little detail that I

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Speaker 3: missed that could help in some way? And so up

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Speaker 3: until the suspect was apprehended, that's the way my days

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Speaker 3: were like, literally day and night. Is there anything that

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Speaker 3: I missed in her life that could have been helpful

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Speaker 3: in finding the suspect? And now that they have apprehended him,

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Speaker 3: there is now a sense of relief where before, to

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Speaker 3: be honest, I was afraid to go to sleep at night,

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Speaker 3: not that I look like my daughter anyway, but I

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Speaker 3: was just as a woman. I just felt afraid, and

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Speaker 3: I know our community did as well, especially the women,

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Speaker 3: And so we've feel a sigh of relief, but now

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Speaker 3: it's still feeling exhausted and thinking what more can I

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Speaker 3: do to help my daughter on this side of the investigation.

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Speaker 10: Is there.

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Speaker 3: Is there anything that law enforcement might need from me

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Speaker 3: that would be of help. But I think the most

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Speaker 3: important thing is just letting people know that if you've

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Speaker 3: seen this person, have any interaction with him in any

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Speaker 3: way over the past year, to contact our local law enforcement,

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Speaker 3: the sheriff department, so that they can put those last

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Speaker 3: couple of puzzle pieces together to make this a very

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Speaker 3: solid and concise case. I'm sure that it's going to

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Speaker 3: that it's very well put together now. I just don't

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Speaker 3: want anything left undone. I hope that answers your question.

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Speaker 1: It does? It does Chris McDonald joining me veteran law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about what Patty Rachel Morin's mom is just saying.

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Speaker 1: I know there are going to be other crimes to

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Speaker 1: connect him to, but I want to focus right now

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Speaker 1: on the prosecution in the Rachel Moron murder, and we

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Speaker 1: need to fill in all the blanks leading up to

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Speaker 1: and after the time of Rachel's murder and attack. The

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Speaker 1: best way, of course is DNA, and his DNA has

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Speaker 1: already been entered into the National DNA data Bank. But

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Speaker 1: there is also the fingerprint data bank, where he may

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Speaker 1: not have left DNA or the DNA may not have

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Speaker 1: been preserved. There's a possibility of a fingerprint match offer instance,

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Speaker 1: a burglary that turned into an aggravated assault, or rate

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Speaker 1: fingerprint on a car, a fingerprint anywhere that I can

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Speaker 1: connect him to a crime, and also a digital fingerprint. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this guy is, as we say now, a migrant, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're saying. Nobody is saying illegal alien apparently, so

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Speaker 1: we're not going to track him through his credit card

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Speaker 1: or his Social Security number. That's not happening. But I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you this. I guarantee you he had a top

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Speaker 1: of the line iPhone or Android. Okay, this guy is

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Speaker 1: involved with a gang. He is in a gang notorious

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Speaker 1: for crime. I'm sure you prosecuted gang cases I did.

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Speaker 1: They're like a pack of animals. Human life means nothing

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Speaker 1: to them. And I guarantee you he was tricked out

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Speaker 1: with the best phone to keep in touch with his

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Speaker 1: gang buddies. All right, that's a way to trace him

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Speaker 1: where he has been, what he has been doing.

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Speaker 14: Yes, No, you are one hundred percent right, Nancy, that

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Speaker 14: if this guy, you know, we first of all, we

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Speaker 14: have some good information here number one, that he committed

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Speaker 14: this ferocious crime in El Salvador, and then at some

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Speaker 14: point he must have crossed, you know, into this country.

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Speaker 4: The question is how many times and did they ever

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Speaker 4: have contact with him? And if so, how does he

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Speaker 4: make it to la And that gang connection that you're

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Speaker 4: talking about is probably the most logical connection to this thing,

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Speaker 4: because that neighborhood where that first attack occurred is in

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Speaker 4: the seventy seventh division of LAPD. That is one rough neighborhood.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you, I've been there and we've served

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Speaker 4: many search warrants there. And so how does he blend

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Speaker 4: into that circumstance and that gang affiliation is probably the

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Speaker 4: most likely that would make him a chameleon within that environment,

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Speaker 4: and why he was hidden for as long as he

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Speaker 4: has while on the run.

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Speaker 2: Trail Mom Rachel Morin's killer caught in a Tulsa bar.

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Speaker 2: The suspect Victor Hernandez on the run from his native

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Speaker 2: El Salvador for yet another murder. Today, Rachel Morin's mom

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Speaker 2: speaks out.

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Speaker 1: Now we are learning, according to those inside the investigation,

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Speaker 1: that this guy Hernandez has crossed the border at least

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Speaker 1: three times in the last two months. Okay, when you

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Speaker 1: walk through the park and you see a little squirrel

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Speaker 1: or a rabbit run across your path, is your instinct

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Speaker 1: to pounce upon it, grab it and bite its throat

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Speaker 1: out out? No, your instinct may be to pet it

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Speaker 1: or try to throw it a treat. This guy is

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Speaker 1: not like you. This guy's instinct is to attack. He's

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Speaker 1: crossed the border three times that I know of in

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Speaker 1: two months. He's been from Tulsa to La to bel Air, Maryland,

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Speaker 1: and everywhere in between. You want to tell me he

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Speaker 1: could fight his impulse to attack. No way. Joining me

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Speaker 1: is a very special guest. Patty Mooren is with us.

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Speaker 1: Rachel's mother. Ms. Moran, you are speaking to thousands and

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Speaker 1: thousands of parents who are suffering, and I want you,

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Speaker 1: as best as you can to explain what you do

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Speaker 1: when you feel overwhelmed by the loss of your girl.

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Speaker 15: Honestly, I cry, I cry, and I pray.

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Speaker 3: I I know that different people have different religious affiliations,

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Speaker 3: but I believe in the Lord, and I believe that

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Speaker 3: God has a plan and a purpose even if we

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Speaker 3: don't understand it. And I believe that God is good

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Speaker 3: and that he loves me. And so when things are

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Speaker 3: very hard to the I go to the rock, I

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Speaker 3: ease my solace and I just pray and pour my

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00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: heart out to him and he comforts me. But then

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Speaker 3: I also have a close group of friends that have

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Speaker 3: been such a support these last few months, praying for

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Speaker 3: our family, giving and kouragey words. Mister Rice, what an

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Speaker 3: awesome man he is. He is so good and so

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Speaker 3: kind and so generous, just really very good supportive people.

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Speaker 3: And so I would encourage anyone that's feeling pain from

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Speaker 3: a loss to get counseling, to have a support group,

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Speaker 3: a group of friends, maybe grief share, and just to

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Speaker 3: keep your friends close and don't be afraid to feel

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Speaker 3: your feelings and to process them because you don't want

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Speaker 3: to be stuck. And it's healthy, even though it's very

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Speaker 3: very painful, it's healthy to process them. And I want

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Speaker 3: to make sure that I'm healthy for my family so

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Speaker 3: I'm willing to feel the pain now so that I'm

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Speaker 3: not stuck and not moving forward for my grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: You know, Paty, your words are incredible, and they're not prepared,

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Speaker 1: they're not rehearsed, they are from the heart. And when

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Speaker 1: you say you pray, please know there are thousands and

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Speaker 1: thousands of people praying with you and for you and

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Speaker 1: for Rachel and her family. Please know that everyone, if

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Speaker 1: you have any information now our site set on the trial,

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Speaker 1: any information at all that you know or think you

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Speaker 1: know about the perpetrator Hernandez eight eight eight five four

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Speaker 1: zero eight four seven seven repeat toll free eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight five four zero eight four seven even Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,