1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I'm Kaylie Shore, and this is too much 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: to say asking questions it out you, okay. So an 3 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: unintended thing that happens as a result of having your 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: own podcast is you have to listen to yourself through 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: studio quality headphones. And it's to ensure that the audio 6 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: is good for you guys, that my like vocal is 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: at the right volume, that I'm not backing away from 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: the mic too much, and um, just to you know, 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: be focused on it. But it means that I here, 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: my mouth noises really loudly, and like, by the time 11 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: you guys get the audio uploaded to the podcast platform 12 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: that you're listening on, it's not this loud or clear. 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: It gets compressed and whatnot. But it's like kind of 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: painful sometimes. And I really hate mouth noises. I hate 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: people who like, well I don't I'm not like hurt people, 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: but like, I strongly dislike when people chew with their 17 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: mouths open audibly, Like it's not so much like seeing 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: somebody eat or whatever, like, and if you talk with 19 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: your mouthful, it's really difficult not to do that and 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: to like chew thoroughly, Like I was got really stressed 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: out on dates, and that's why like ordering a salad 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: to look cute doesn't really work because you're like shoving 23 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: in fork fools of of lettuce and then it's just 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: you're chewing and it's awkward and like you're just much 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: better off like ordering something that's anyways. I feel strongly 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: about that. But it's like it's not the like watching 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: somebody do it. It's like the audible like mouth noises, 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: and it's like I hate it. I hate it so much. 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: And sometimes like watching videos of people singing like whatever 30 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: they're recording on, like if it's like a like a 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: studio mike to a TikTok, you can hear things sometimes 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh, so, anyways, so I had 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: some mouth noises this morning that made me really uncomfortable. 34 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: But it's all right, we're over that. We're gonna get 35 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: to the episode. So this week's episode is on anger issues. Um, 36 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: I have an interesting relationship with them. I never really 37 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: thought I had them until I started dating a peacekeeper 38 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: and uh, somebody who really needs everyone to be okay 39 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: with everyone at all times, because I don't at all. 40 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: I think that it's a form of self protection to 41 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: not be okay with people. Um, I think it's it's 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: setting boundaries, like I can, you know, I can see 43 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: my ex boyfriend out or you know whoever like my 44 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: ex best friends and like say hi and have a 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: conversation with them. Maybe maybe I won't be able to 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: do if they ever listened to my podcast, but um, 47 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: you know and like say hey, I to see you whatever. 48 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean I have to let them back 49 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: in my life. And so that's what not being okay 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: with somebody is, Like I don't like the feeling of 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: seeing somebody and having to duck out of the room, 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: Like that's ikey and awkward, and I just never really 53 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: want to be on those terms with people. But if 54 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: they make it difficult and they make me feel, you know, 55 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: unsafe in the sense that like anything I say to 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: them could be twisted and told to five different people, 57 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: then yeah, I'm and have some pretty rigid boundaries around 58 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: that person. So as a child, I remember so many 59 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: of my like really thorough thought processes from when I 60 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: was a kid, probably because I journaled and wrote songs 61 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: a lot, but I remember having these things and honestly, 62 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: like I can trace things back to the moments I 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: internalized them, which is bizarre. It's probably helpful, you know, 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: like therapy has probably made that accessible to me. But 65 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: I remember seeing um people in my family who had 66 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: really bad not even anger, but like rage issues and 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: really really mean and awful, And like I remember viewing 68 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: anger is this very weak emotion, Like there's kind of 69 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: this misconception that anger is powerful and it can be 70 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: like righteous anger it's very powerful and can drive you 71 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: to do great things, but arbitrary anger that's misdirected towards 72 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: the wrong people. It's you're throwing a fucking tantrum. And 73 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: I remember like looking at these people yelling at me 74 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: and always understanding when one of my parents was screaming 75 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: at me because I've actually done something wrong that had 76 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: put myself in danger, or when they were just taking 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: things out on me, like I knew that as a kid, 78 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: And like Sam and I were having a hypothetical conversation 79 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: about the children we may or may not have in 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: like years, no thank you, not going to rush um 81 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: where he was like, well, do you think you'd spank 82 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: your kids? And I was like, I don't know. I mean, 83 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: like I think that you your kid, you catch them, 84 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, playing with the stove and something catches on fire, 85 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: or they run into traffic, or they have scissors and 86 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: they're like gonna, you know, they are about to hurt 87 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: themselves with them, and like they don't get hurt. Maybe 88 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: you need to tell make them associate with that thing 89 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: with pain, I suppose. I don't know. I don't have 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: a fully formed opinion on this yet, but that makes 91 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: sense to me. But as a kid, like I always 92 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: knew when like my parents were frustrated in general and 93 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: I was getting spanked as the result of it, and 94 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: it felt different, it hurt different, and um, yeah, that's 95 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: probably around the time I sort of does as anything. 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: But I so I always just like viewed it as 97 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: this kind of weak thing. I was like, well, that's 98 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: like so stupid and kind of primitive to misassign anger 99 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: to the wrong people, especially a kid who, by all 100 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: intents and purposes is rather innocent. Maybe annoying it sometimes, 101 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: but so I always viewed it like that. And so 102 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: when I'm dealing with a situation where I have a 103 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: lot of anger, my first move is to run away. 104 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Um it's not because I don't like confrontation. I will 105 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: I will make myself accessible later. But my preferred way 106 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: of dealing with anger is always too Like if I 107 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: had if every situation went the way I wanted it to, 108 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: I would be able to have twenty minutes to go 109 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: sit alone in my room, get my rage crying out, 110 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: and sit down and write down the fifteen things I 111 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: want to say to that person and then figure out 112 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: the three that I need to that actually convey how 113 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm feeling that aren't projecting anything else onto the situation. 114 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: And recently, in this upheaval of of friends and whatnot 115 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: I've had in the past year, there are a lot 116 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: of situations where I wasn't able to have that processing period, 117 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: and it's on me to learn how to sign that 118 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: calm and find that that piece in those really hard moments, 119 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: Like that's what healing and bettering yourself is is being 120 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: able to not default to your your default emotion. And 121 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: I do think my default emotion is anger, Like that's 122 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: the first place I go. And but I remember always 123 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: hearing my parents say things that were really harsh and 124 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: untrue and just unkind. And then after you know, there 125 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: was a cooling off period, I stormed off to my 126 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: room or whatever, I got grounded they come back and 127 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: they like, I'm so sorry that I said this and 128 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: this and this. I didn't mean it, And that always 129 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: just really struck me as something so fucking stupid. I 130 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: was like, well, why would you say it if you 131 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: didn't mean it? And so that was like something I 132 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: internalized was taking the time to start through my feelings 133 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: so I don't say something I regret, because when I 134 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: get caught up in anger and I say something I 135 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: regret to somebody I love, I really hate that. I 136 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: hate that feeling so much. And me and my high 137 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: school boyfriend, we're going through all these things with our parents, 138 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: and we're taught to be very volatile and hadn't you know, 139 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: yet experienced healing or therapy or whatever, and we were 140 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: very similar, and it would just constantly be this battle 141 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: of like getting angry, saying things we didn't mean and 142 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: would later regret to each other, apologizing, making up for it, 143 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: what not. And as I started to get better with it, 144 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: he didn't catch up as quickly, and then the hurt 145 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: became so much more apparent to me because I wasn't 146 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: also involved in it um as much, and so I 147 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: was able to just like be on the receiving end 148 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: truly and be like, fuck, this sucks, and so I 149 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: try really hard not to do that, but it secks 150 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: to get back into requid. So the way I have 151 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: handled anger as an adult is um bizarre. At times, 152 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: like something triggers me that should make me super angry, 153 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: and I'm sure somewhere deep inside me it does. And 154 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: I either laugh at it because it's so fucking ridiculous, 155 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: or I just like, you know, fight flight or freeze, 156 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: and I'm a big flight and freezer. I don't know 157 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: I do all three. I'm reading this book about UM 158 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: complex post traumatic stress disorder and it talks about the 159 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: different like reaction types and I feel like I'm all 160 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: of them, so TBD. I haven't got to the end 161 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: of the chapter. But I don't know how likely that is, 162 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: but I am very like I think across the board, 163 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: I fight flight and freeze, but I think this is, yeah, 164 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: this is an example of freeze. But so when my 165 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend told me cheated on me, it was, UM. 166 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: I came back from the road and sat down and UM, 167 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: ironically something had happened that weekend that I needed to 168 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: tell him about, and it was like, I just I 169 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: just wanted. I just like to communicate. Like Sam and 170 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: I kind of have these rules, like where if we're 171 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: at a bar and there's somebody that he's like, let's 172 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: just say dated, um before they're like, I want him 173 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: to tell me because I hate when people know something 174 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: I don't know and I'm on the outside of an 175 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: inside joke about me, Like I fucking hate that, and 176 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: maybe that's not how the person is viewing it, but 177 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: I really hate and like, for example, Amy, this is 178 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: one time that I kind of confronted her way before 179 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: the song when I first got the like into intuitive 180 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: thought that her and my ex boyfriend had hooked up. Um, 181 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: I saw on her bar he was using her as 182 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: a pawn and this I don't know. He's clearly using 183 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: her to make jealous And that was what made me realize, like, oh, 184 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: something happened with them, And so I marched across a 185 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: bar and say something there or whatever. But earlier in 186 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: the night she'd been looking at me when we were 187 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: talking a she told me she got her haircut to 188 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: match mine, which was fucking weird. Um. I was like, 189 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm like you're sure. She's like, yeah, 190 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: I saw yours and it looks super cute and I 191 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, um, I don't have any skin 192 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 1: for you to put on, so sorry about that. But anyways, 193 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: so she was looking at me with this like look 194 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: in her eye and it's very powerful when you can 195 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: recognize when someone is doing this to you, because it'll 196 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: stop you from being the fucking butt of the joke. 197 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: But she's looking at me and they're just like this 198 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: like sparkle. I don't know how to describe it, but 199 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: it's like this glint in someone's eye when they're talking 200 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: to you and they they're just ever so patronizing, but 201 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: you might mistake it for kindness if you're not careful. 202 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: But you you look at them and you're like they 203 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: know something I don't know. And I hate that feeling. 204 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: And so I, you know, it across the bar and like, 205 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: you know, I think I said something. I said like, Amy, 206 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: there is a chess match being played right now, and 207 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: you are not on either side of the board. You 208 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: are on the board, like you're upon get it? Like okay, 209 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: drunk Kaye really showed her. I mean it wasn't like 210 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: the worst line. I mean, like as far as like 211 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: having shower arguments and things you wish you said to people. 212 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure that would have come up. So I was like, 213 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, man, no, UM, so that was one way 214 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: I handled anger, But um, I don't like when people 215 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: know something I don't know. So all of that being said, 216 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: which is applicable, But going back to how I reacted 217 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: when I was told I was cheated on, I told 218 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: my ex boyfriend about something that had happened because I'm like, 219 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: I would want to know if that happened to you, um, 220 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: involving this person and whatnot. So I'm like, hey, I 221 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: need to talk to you about something, and he goes, well, 222 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: actually I need to talk to you about something too, 223 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, do you want to go first? 224 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: And he's like yeah. So um I got really drunk 225 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 1: and made out with that girl I work with, and 226 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, mine is really not quite um 227 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: that level. Um, so let's just unpack your words really quickly. 228 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: But I just I froze, and I walked around our 229 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: kitchen island for maybe an hour, like I don't even 230 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: think it felt that long, Like I think that's literally 231 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: how long. I walked in circles around the kitchen counter 232 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: and like he wouldn't. He was trying to get me 233 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: to talk to him, and I just couldn't do it, 234 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: Like I was just like stuck on this mental loop 235 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: and processing and whatever. And UM, I got angry when 236 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: he tried to touch me because I was like, I don't. 237 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: I don't want your hands on me right now. They 238 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: were on somebody else. Um. And then I did what 239 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: an adult does and I went to therapy and talked 240 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: to my therapist about it and blended, which is what 241 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: I talked about on last week's episode. Um, so that 242 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: was you know, that was a phreeze and I think 243 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: that was a responsible way to react to that. Um 244 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: apparently wasn't good enough for him. So um. Then after that, 245 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: when I had a lot of friendships that I lost 246 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: because they you know, we're somewhere crawling up his as 247 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: or whatever. UM, I would like, you know, I'd hear 248 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: something that they said about me behind my back, and 249 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: I'd confront them about it. I don't think confrontation should 250 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: have such a negative connotation to it, Like to confront 251 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: an issue is positive, So why is confrontation always negative? 252 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: Like if somebody says something about me behind my back, 253 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about them to their face, because 254 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: I think that's polite. But I get branded as somebody 255 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: who's constantly angry because I will confront those things and 256 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: it's like, well, she there's always something with her. It's like, no, 257 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: there's always something with you, but you're a little fucking 258 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: bitch baby about it, and you can't say it to 259 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: my goddamn face. So I will do us both the 260 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: favor of being an adult, and you can jump on 261 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: board the adult train or just decide to rip up 262 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: your ticket. I don't do whatever you want to do. 263 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: And so when I was losing these friends, like they 264 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: easily one of my closest friends on the planet, Like 265 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: I had kicked my boyfriend out because he had cheated 266 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: on me and then put his hands on me. So 267 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: that feels like a pretty good reason to kick somebody 268 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: out right, And um, he went to stay with her. 269 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: And the time I was like, Okay, well, you know, 270 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: he's a really good friend. He needs somewhere to go. 271 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: I want him to have a support system. I don't 272 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: want him to be completely abandoned by these people. Well, 273 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: little did I know, he had literally nothing to worry about, 274 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: and so he's living with them, um, so I can't 275 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: go over her house, and then that means every single 276 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: day like she's getting his side of the story, which 277 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: is just completely unfactual, not factual, whatever the word is 278 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: for that, Like it's just complete lies. And as time 279 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: has gone on and I've heard what he said to people, 280 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: it's just sucking lies. And so, um, she was talking 281 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: to our friends and was being super fucking passive and 282 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: was like, I just don't know why Kaylee would kick 283 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: him out, like she can't pay her rent without him. 284 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, Okay, you have no fucking clue 285 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: what my financials situation is. And to be honest, at 286 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: the time, I was doing really well. I had a 287 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: publishing deal, I was touring all the time, and I 288 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: most certainly could afford my rent. Was I excited to 289 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: have my rent double because I kicked out my ABUTSI boyfriend. No, 290 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: could I do it? Appster fucking lutely, And it was 291 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: just so petty and passive and like kicking somebody when 292 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: they're down kind of thing, like I'm sorry, your friend 293 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: just went through this, and you're going to comment on 294 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: her financial situation like you. It was just so gross, 295 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: and so I talked to her and confronted her about it, 296 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, um, this is after she 297 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: forced me and him to go to her birthday party 298 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: while we were in the process of breaking up, which 299 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: is a whole other thing. But I was like, hey, um, 300 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: I really don't like the way that you talked about me, 301 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: and I think I'm gonna need to take some space 302 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: away from our friendship. Like that's like how I said it, 303 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: like that mature leader, I called her um. But the 304 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: breaking point to get to that phone call was I 305 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: had seen her post a video of a party I 306 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: wasn't invited to at her house that had my ex 307 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: boyfriend and the girl he was seeing there, as well 308 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: as all my other old friends, and I was just like, 309 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: they're all fucking hanging out without me, and no one's 310 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: making an effort to see me. They all have just 311 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: completely turned their backs on me for this fucking piece 312 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: of ship guy. And it's horrible, right, It's just absolutely horrible. 313 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: So I tried to come to that, like with a 314 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: really calm conversation, but the problem was, like I took 315 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: that space and the person just kept doing things and 316 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: I kept reacting because that's what you do when people 317 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: hurt you, and then all of a sudden, I'm running 318 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: grey crazy bitch. So it's like, am I always angry? 319 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: Or am I just never passive? Like I understand? I think, 320 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: especially in my relationship with Sam, I have a habit 321 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: of getting angry with him for things he didn't do 322 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: what reminded me of um. And it's not under the 323 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: same circumstances, But that's a trigger response, as a trauma response, 324 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: and I'm working on it. I don't like how I 325 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: feel when I lose my temper at him. I don't 326 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: like how I feel when I'm looking at him and 327 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: I see somebody other than him, and that's what I'm 328 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: talking to in the moment. And that's also a really 329 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: important thing to do. And like I was talking about 330 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: what I did as a kid, is when somebody's directing 331 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: this anger towards you, it's really important to ask yourself 332 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: are they talking to me? Or are they talking to 333 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: somebody else? And in the midst of all my friend drama, 334 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: earlier this year, I had like a guy friend who 335 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 1: just went fucking batshit crazy. I don't know how to 336 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: describe it. And he just started like yelling at me, 337 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, who is this? Who is he 338 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: talking to you? Because there's no reason he should be 339 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: this angry at me for pretty much nothing, like literally 340 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: objectively nothing. And I was like, oh, he's talking to 341 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend, So there's that um and you just 342 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: you kind of have to figure out who people are 343 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: talking to, and I have to figure out who I'm 344 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: talking to. So when I look at Sam and he's 345 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: done something that's irritated me but doesn't warrant that much anger, 346 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, well who am I talking to? So 347 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: that's something great that you can do on both sides. 348 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: So whether you're talking to somebody, who am I talking to? 349 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: Or whether someone's talking to you, who are they talking to? 350 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: And if it's not you and it's not them, then 351 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: you gotta figure out who you're talking to, because that's 352 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: why you're really mad at and misdirected anger is how 353 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: is the root of all bad things relationship wise? I mean, 354 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: also many other things, but there's lots of them. There's 355 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: also things that could go wrong in relationships clearly. So 356 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: I feel like there's this little bit of a dichotomy 357 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: with me between my really pissy angry songs like every 358 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: Forever and um amy and then this I don't know 359 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm quoting somebody else, but like effervescent personality. And when 360 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: I was doing the Radio Disney show, I feel like 361 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: I kind of defaulted to that, like, hey guys, I'm 362 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: Kayleie Shore and you're listening to Radio Disney. And it 363 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: was not a character. It was a side of my personality. 364 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: But I was kind of defaulting to that really often. 365 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: And the way I talked to you guys on the 366 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: podcast is so much more who I am and I 367 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: don't have to censor myself or filter myself or anything. 368 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: And Radio Disney was a job. I was hosting a 369 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: show talking about other people, like it was not my thing, 370 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: but um like it was not. It was not the 371 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: Kaylee Short Show at all. That's not what it was called. 372 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: This is quite literally kaylor Short Show. But um, I 373 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: I had to kind of water I don't want to 374 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: say water myself down, but maybe like, um, just filter 375 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: myself a lot. And so it's been really freeing to 376 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: have this podcast and to put out open book and 377 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: put out I got here by accident and be just 378 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: a present my authentic self, and it's been really really 379 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: helpful in um learning who I am, and so I 380 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: think a little bit of that super bubbly personelity he 381 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: has faded away with age, and the older I get, 382 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: the I don't want to say, the more I hold 383 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: on to anger from a like grudge perspective, because I'm 384 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: sure to a lot of people looks like a grudge, 385 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 1: but to me, it feels like a boundary or a 386 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: wall or you know, taking away someone's access to me, 387 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: because that feels that that's the thing that makes me 388 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: feel powerful. When somebody really really fucking hurts me, is 389 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: me taking away their access to me because they can't 390 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: do it again. And it's really sad when someone can 391 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: do that to other people. Um, after you, that's what 392 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: really really sucks. But the first step is taking away 393 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: your access to them. And uh yeah, I mean I 394 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: don't want to like run around and sabotage people Like 395 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: I had somebody asked me about my ex best friend 396 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: the other day, and um it was somebody that they 397 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: worked with professionally, and I was like, they had asked 398 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: about them, and um, in this group of friends, I'd 399 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: had somebody in the exact same situation say like, well, 400 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: Kayleie doesn't talk to me anymore. So blah blah blah blah, 401 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 1: like in a work setting, and I was like, Oh, 402 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: that's gross. So when I was presented with the same scenario, 403 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, like I think they're doing this, like, um, 404 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: she seems super happy, like yeah, she couldn't be here 405 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: tonight because she's out of town whatever, like we're at 406 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: this party, and um. I was really proud of how 407 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: he handled that. But that being said, I can be 408 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: fucking polite and still take away that person's access to me. 409 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 1: So I think that anger is a complicated emotion. I'm 410 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: reading this book called the Conscious Angiogram, and it talks 411 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: about rewiring your neural pathways, and I think that my 412 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: first emotion almost always is anger, and usually it's it's 413 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: frustration that looks like anger, But that's still kind of 414 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: the same thing, Like it's still in the amygdala, it's 415 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: still the reptile brain, you know. And I want to 416 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: get better at that, And I want to be able 417 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: to name the emotion and not have to call it 418 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: anger first and then trans light it to what it 419 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: actually is. I want to get to the point where 420 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: I can just go straight to sadness or go straight 421 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: to hurt. Or go straight to um even guilt, you know, 422 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: like I mean, people project anger on other people at 423 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: the time. I've absolutely been known to do that. I'm 424 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: fucking human. It's part of what we do. And I 425 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: want to get better rewiring those neural pathways, because it's 426 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: like if you're you have two cabins in the woods, 427 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: and you walk to one cabin a lot more than 428 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: the other, and so of course that pathway that you 429 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: walk every single day, like you know, you're going to 430 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: clear the sticks out of the way just by walking 431 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: on it. You're gonna flatten the surface. You're going to 432 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: create this little path from dragging your boots through it. 433 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: And when you're presented with an option of which cabin 434 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: to go do and you need to get there really fast, 435 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna pick the one that has the really 436 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: easy path. So it's not it's not a simple thing, 437 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: and it's not an overnight thing to go visit the 438 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: other cabin, which honestly has better things, because yes, it's 439 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: easier to get to the first one, but this second one, 440 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: with a little bit of work, will benefit you a 441 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: lot in the long run, and you'll have a way 442 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: better cabin to go to. So that's my metaphor for 443 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: the day. Thank you guys so much for listening. I'm 444 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: Kaylie shot and this is too much to say. I'll 445 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: see you next Wednesday. Don't go asking questions. Soon I'm 446 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 1: going to us say now, turn it out you