1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today is going to 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: be a day of I mean, I guess it's kind 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: of like political gossip, but sometimes you've just got to 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: have some political gossip. And I'm here to tell you 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: there are so many messed up things that happen behind 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: the scenes. 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Of the political world. 8 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: I was just on a business trip and I was 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: just sharing with some of the people on that trip 10 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: some of the things that I experienced, and it was 11 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: like people's jaws just at the table, and I forget 12 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: because that's how I was at first too. When I 13 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: first heard these things. I'm like, this is impossible that 14 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: this stuff happens. And now it's just like I lived 15 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: these stories. So I own these stories. But someone else 16 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: who owns these stories is the author of a new book, 17 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Matt Palumbo. We've had him on here before. He is 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: the content manager of The Bonngino Report. So before we 19 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: talk to you about George, now we're talking about Alex Soros. 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: The book is called The Air Inside the Not So 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: Secret Network of Alex Soros. 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: Oh give us the scoop. 23 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 3: Well, he is his father's son. You know, I think 24 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 3: I said in the book, and I think it's probably 25 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 3: not a great joke, but I said, it's not like 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: the apple fell far from the tree, It's still on 27 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 3: the tree, and that they are ideologically aligned. I think 28 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: the OSF will at a minimum just continue doing exactly 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: what it's doing, basically on autopilot, and then Alex will 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 3: add things on top of that that are you know, 31 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: more cartoonishly leftist than his father, if you can believe it. 32 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 3: The climate issue is one that he has head over 33 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: heels for. It's you know, in his first interviews. 34 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: With such an interesting way to put it. 35 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: He's with that as like the words come to me, 36 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 3: they're coming out. Well, that he's been obsessed with let's 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: put use that word instead since the first interviews he's 38 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 3: ever done more than a decade ago. And I'll go 39 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: into more detail in a bit on that. But the 40 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: reason I say not so secret network in the subtitle 41 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: is a I mean it works with the book about George, 42 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: where I do say secret net work, and I thought, 43 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: what maybe clever, But also because he made it very 44 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: easy to track his whereabouts and that almost everything he 45 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: does he posts on social media. 46 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, he seems to be much more of an 47 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: attention horror than his father. 48 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: That and it's weird too because he's trying to portray 49 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: himself as more moderate than his father, so it's like 50 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: he wants the attention, but he doesn't want to be 51 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: seen as a shadowy figure, I guess. But it made 52 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 3: research a lot easier in that there are a lot 53 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: of countries I would have never known to even look into, 54 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: but he'll post a photo with a prime minister of 55 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 3: like North Macedoni, and I'm thinking, all right, let's, you know, 56 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: go back in time and see if George has any connections, 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: and then there would always be a story leading up 58 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: to Alex meeting the person he was with, and it 59 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: gave me a lot of content, so I'm very grateful 60 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 3: for that. 61 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: I thought the interesting thing about this was there's literally 62 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: nothing normal about his life, and obviously I should imagine 63 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: that there's not going to be anything normal. 64 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: About Alex Soros's life. 65 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: He's the youngest, right, so he's the youngest son of 66 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: a multi billionaire who has influenced governments across the world. 67 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: So I mean, you're. 68 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Talking about I'm reading this and I'm like, he's literally 69 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: playing with toys next to Hillary Clinton, and you know, 70 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: all these major world leaders, and that was just his life. 71 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: So when people talk about him influencing the United States, 72 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I think what you need to understand is this guy 73 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: has no idea what the average Americans life is like. 74 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's true for all of them. And you 75 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 3: even see it, like on Twitter dot com every single 76 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: day you see the craziest thing of your life from 77 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 3: some leftists and it's like, what are you in a 78 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 3: different world than the rest of us, But it does 79 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 3: like they actually are, even the ones with no money 80 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: are leaving in a completely different world than the right. 81 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 3: It's I guess it's the ideology as well. But I 82 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: talk a lot about in a chapter on his influence 83 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: in the Body administration all of the Biden White House visits, 84 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: because I noticed they were getting a lot of attention 85 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 3: in the New York Post and Fox, but very few 86 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: people were asking the question or trying to figure out 87 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: what exactly were they talking about. So my friend Joe 88 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 3: Asquez and I, he works at Media Research Center, just 89 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: plotted out all the visits. There was about thirty of them, 90 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: and we lucked out because and he said, this has 91 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: never happened before, but all the visitor logs got scrubbed 92 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: from the White House website after Biden left, and we 93 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: didn't know if it was because the Body administration got 94 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: rid of them or the Trump administration was just clearing out, 95 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 3: you know, Biden era stuff, So we don't know what 96 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 3: the reason was. But for some reason, my friend Joe 97 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: just had that book, like an archived version bookmarked in 98 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: his computer somewhere. So we lucked out that he's also 99 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: a nerd, and we were able to go through all 100 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: of the visits and about two thirds of them it 101 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: correlated with some sort of environmental announcement, and we figured, 102 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: you know, hey, it could just be a coincidence. The 103 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: Biden administration is big on climate change, Alex is, maybe 104 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: we're just correlating things that aren't there. But there was 105 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: one visit with Joe Biden and it was on the 106 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: same day the President of Kenya came to the White 107 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: House and had an event in the morning. Alex was there, 108 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 3: The president of the OSF it was there, and of note, 109 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: the OSF I just fell out Open Society Foundation, which 110 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: he took over. Their headquarters in Africa is in Kenya, 111 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: so they clearly have influence of the air. And there 112 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 3: were a number of Soros funded NGOs that were praising 113 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: the meeting between the Kenyan president and Biden, And within 114 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: days of this meeting, there was a memorandum of understanding 115 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: signed with Kenya's energy department. The US and USAID were 116 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: announcing new projects in Kenya. And you know, given what 117 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 3: we know now about the USAID and Soros, it seems 118 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: like there had to have been some sort of coordination there. 119 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 3: So that there's a lot of original research in the 120 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: book that took forever to put together, so I hope 121 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: people do find it useful. 122 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: What is I mean, You've done so much research on him? 123 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: What is he like? What is his personality like? Because 124 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: I think from the outside, we look at this and 125 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: we know that George Soros is a very I guess 126 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: an emotional guy. He's not very he's not very sympathetic, 127 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: he's not very loving. You talk in this book about 128 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: the fact that he's not very loving, and that Alex 129 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: has come forward and said that Alex was actually not 130 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: the first choice for him. 131 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: It was a different son. 132 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: It was his half brother right that was considered the 133 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: heir apparent. And then it seems like not only is 134 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: he not loving or dedicated, emotionally to even his family members. 135 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: And obviously we know his background of going in and 136 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: helping to take the belongings out of Jewish homes during 137 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: the Holocaust, but in World War Two, But this side 138 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: of him, how has that affected Alex Well? 139 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: He I don't know if you've ever seen the guy 140 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: speak before, but if you haven't, someone described it as 141 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 3: speaking like listening to him speak sounds like a wreck 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: at skipping. He can't get a sentence out. He apparently 143 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: has gone through media training to try to help him 144 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: become a more effective spokesperson, but he struggles with that 145 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: and he's not really as politically savvy as his father. 146 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: I mean, he posted a photo with Jasmine Crockett and 147 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 3: said that he thinks she's the future of the Democratic 148 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: Party I hope, to which I'll say, I fear her 149 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: more than anything. Please Alex know, but he he was 150 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: calling for Democrats to stick with Biden even after the 151 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: first debate disaster, and then after Kamala takes over, then 152 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: she becomes the best candidate that ever existed. On election Day, 153 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: he predicted she would take every single swing state, which 154 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: Trump did for the first time in well, I think 155 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: it was at least twenty years, or at least got 156 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: Nevada for the first time in twenty years, in addition 157 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: to the others, and then after that writes an op 158 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: ed about how we all should have known Trump was 159 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: going to win. So he is, I guess, like a 160 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: politician and that, no matter what happens, will always act 161 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: like he's right. But he's just not very smart in 162 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: that regard. And I don't want it sound like I'm 163 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: inflating my own ego here, but I get the feeling 164 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: that he is in some way intimidated by me, or 165 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: doesn't is afraid I'll publish something gamming on him, because 166 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: he's had at least one opportunity to meet me. We 167 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: and I swear to God, this actually happened. We were 168 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: staying at the same hotel while I was gonna speak 169 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 3: at an event about his father, and I got in 170 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 3: contact with someone that knows him to try to see 171 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: if he'd want to grab dinner. I was gonna ask 172 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 3: him to pay, by the way, but but no, he 173 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: was not. 174 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: He was not intating for everybody else, so why not You. 175 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: Could probably afford it. Probably it's a bit more than 176 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: he has more money than I make. 177 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: So, so keep writing books about him and then you'll 178 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: make more. 179 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: That's my only key to prosperity. No, the so he 180 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 3: denies that, and I got confirmation he denied it. Then 181 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 3: he in writing this book. You know, you have to 182 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: try to make an effort to reach out to the 183 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: guy and get his side of the story. And I 184 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: had messaged him on Facebook and you can see if 185 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: someone read your message and he was seeing them, so 186 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: I knew, and like, you know, it was either Haim 187 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: or a staffer who presumably mentioned someone's writing a book 188 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 3: at you about you, and you know who he is 189 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: because of the book about your father. But yeah, he 190 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: wasn't interested. And then I finally got a response after 191 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 3: calling the Open Society Foundations. They did not like me 192 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: at all, by the way, very rude people, but I 193 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: called them and then I got heard back from his 194 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: chief of staff and she was like, oh, Alex isn't 195 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: doing interviews. He doesn't do interviews, is what she said. 196 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: But if you want to send us a copy of 197 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 3: the book to read through, let us know. And I'm like, well, 198 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: I know it's a setup. You're trying to, you know, 199 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: act like you're going to help me instead of answer 200 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: our questions through an interview have material through that which 201 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 3: I don't think would be useful. But anyway, and New 202 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 3: York mag Is an interview with Alex came out last month, 203 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: and most of the interview took place in February, which 204 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: is when they told me he wasn't doing interviews. So 205 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 3: it turns out they were lying, which I was just 206 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: really shocked about. But now I'm on his radar. And 207 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: one thing that happened recently that made me very happy 208 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 3: was I guess if you get a lot of link 209 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: backs to something like in articles, it helps your seo 210 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: on Google. So if you google his name, my book 211 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: is now one of the top results. So he can't 212 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: hide forever. 213 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: That's no, he can't, No, he can't. But see, that's 214 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: the funny thing. 215 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: It seems like he wants to his dad, or he 216 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: doesn't want to his dad wanted to. Like I feel 217 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: like George Soros was like this name whispered in the shadows, 218 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: like he does all this stuff, and people were like, 219 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: I've never really seen anything, no, but we promise you 220 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: he is doing it. 221 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: And it was very secretive. But Alex is not secretive. 222 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: He is posting I mean, I remember during the campaign 223 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: it was everybody was there was some I guess it 224 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,359 Speaker 1: was their apartment because. 225 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: The pictures a photo. It's the pictures of. 226 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: He and Huma are out in like the same area 227 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: of the world wherever with the windows. Of course, I 228 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: assume they have apartments like this everywhere. But he's got 229 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Tim Walls, Kamala Harris, Gretchen Whitmer, everybody that you can 230 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: think of was with him. I think even Josh Shapiro 231 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: was pictured with him. All of these people were pictured 232 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: with him, and that was kind of like there were 233 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans at that time going c CC, 234 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: we told you, and then we're like, oh, I guess 235 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: he's just going to be totally exposing this. Now would 236 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: Jonathan have been the same way because I don't know 237 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: anything about that guy. 238 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 3: I only really know that he has been successful in investments, 239 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: like his father, but not as really just not as 240 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 3: much information about him. And in fact, the challenge of 241 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 3: this book was there's really not much written about Alex 242 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 3: so I had to be a bit of a social 243 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: media sleuth. But the book, the book took twice as 244 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: long as the book about his father, and it's about 245 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: the same length, so it was definitely challenging to get 246 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: information on that. And there's just not as much unfortunately 247 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: about Jonathan. But he was the first pick, and it's 248 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 3: not clear what the reason was why George went with Alex. 249 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 3: But in that New York magazine piece, switch ended up 250 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: being way harder on Alex than I probably would have been. 251 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: It had quoted officially higher ups of the Open Society Foundation, 252 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 3: including the prior president of the group, saying they were 253 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 3: shocked that Alex was picked and that he was probably 254 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: the worst man for the job. And it's one of 255 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 3: those things, right. 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In the book, you say that they 281 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan and Jonathan out George, the father and the son 282 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: that was supposedly the heir apparent, don't have a great 283 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: relationship now, but they're still friends. 284 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: It's just not as close. 285 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: And I thought, what a strange way to describe your 286 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: father like we're still friends. 287 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,239 Speaker 2: It's just kind of a cooled off relationship. 288 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: And it just to me it was very obvious that 289 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: he's business about everything. 290 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: There's not a lot of love in any of these relationships. 291 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: It's like a very it's not you, it's me. Perspective 292 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: on family, it's a yeah, it's an odd group of people. 293 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: And yeah, Alex himself said his father really wasn't around 294 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: a lot in his early years. It was just in 295 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: adolescence that you know, he ended up taking now to 296 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: you know, be alongside Hillary Clinton and other world leaders 297 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 3: when the rest of us were doing our math homework. 298 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: So there's a story about George being this you know, 299 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: Nazi collaborator and all of that, and George himself hasn't 300 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: really denied that he actually was very casual. 301 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: About you know, whatever this is. It is what it is. 302 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: Alex has defended him and said that's not the case. 303 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: Is Alex's personality different? Does he have a soft, maybe 304 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: penetrable side, considering the fact that that it obviously bothers him, 305 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: that says something about him psychologically. 306 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: Well, I can confirm he's never confiscated goods from Jews 307 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: or order their deportation. So he has that in his favor. 308 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: You know, I would say most people are probably have 309 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 3: more empathy than George. So I guess I'll give Alex 310 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: credit for that. But I know what you're referencing. He 311 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: wrote not Bad for New York Daily News where he was. 312 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: It was titled something like, you know, debunking lies about 313 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 3: my father and is this is very common when people 314 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: try to debunk this claim about George, which he said 315 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: out loud on sixty minutes and anyone can go watch 316 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: it on YouTube or read the transcript. Is they never 317 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 3: mentioned what they're debunking. They just say, oh, they say 318 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 3: he's a Nazi. Actually it's not true because he's Jewish. 319 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: And they never quote the transcript, They never give any 320 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 3: context clues. And I had talked about this in the 321 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: first book, and Alex just gave me an opportunity to 322 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 3: just elaborate more on it because he specifically recommended his 323 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: grandfather's book about his grandfather's autobiography, which talks about this, 324 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 3: and said that you know, oh, if you read this, 325 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 3: it exonerates my father. It really did no such thing. 326 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: It did not help his case whatsoever. I mean, yes, 327 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: George was not literally a Nazi. But he did go 328 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: along with it, and it's not even necessarily I make 329 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: this one. It's not even necessarily what he did, as 330 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: you could always play it off as well, I had 331 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: a guns in my head, you know what we do. 332 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: George doesn't even make that argument. It's just oh well, 333 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 3: you know, if I didn't do it, someone else would, 334 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: so oh well. It's the lack of empathy that really 335 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: stands out more than even what he did and how 336 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: cold he was in talking about it. 337 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: So I know that Alex is married now, but he 338 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: comes off as like this kind of sad and almost 339 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: the opposite of his father, where a lot of this 340 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: empathy is like you talked about his love for climate 341 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: change and all of these things, but almost to a 342 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: point where he is somewhat like a moldable high school kid, 343 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: like little Incell Nerd, you know, and you watch what 344 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: he focuses on and you think, gosh, this is a 345 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: lot of power for someone who has been influenced by 346 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 1: such kind of radical theories on things, and you talk 347 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: about Ukraine. 348 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 2: I mean, he has influence in all of these areas. 349 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 1: I thought he was super young, so before we got out, 350 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, how old is he he looks like he's 351 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: I always kind of assumed that he was so immature 352 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: about his political leanings because he was a little kid. 353 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: But he's thirty nine. 354 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: He looks younger than me, which I guess it was 355 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,239 Speaker 3: in good news for me. But yeah, he's thirty nine. 356 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: He's sharing those secrets instead of spending money on politics. 357 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we always called that team. 358 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: So maybe you age at a slower rate than the 359 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 3: rest of us. I don't know that at night he 360 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: was fifty or if not, like forty eight to fifties. 361 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: So it's a I don't know, very lucky age. There's 362 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: anything wrong with that, but it is an interesting mashup 363 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,159 Speaker 3: given that the OSF has had long ties with Hillary Clinton, 364 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 3: and obviously you know whom has been her number two 365 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: for a while. I guess, considering she was with Anthony 366 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: Wiener beforehand, this is the best possible upgrade that could 367 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: ever like proportionally, that could ever happen. So good for them, 368 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: I guess. I don't know. 369 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, this seems like a marriage of convenience. I mean, 370 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's I who am I to judge? 371 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: Maybe it's true love. I can't tell. 372 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: I really I hope, So why not you know, I. 373 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: Don't know, but I will say, I mean, there is 374 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: so that alone though, the fact that she had so 375 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: much involvement with Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. We've 376 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: got this Ukraine situation going on. Tell me about his 377 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: involvement in Ukraine. 378 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 3: So his father had in fact, in the last book, 379 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 3: the Ukraine chapter I believe was either the longest or 380 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: second longest, and just talking about how Entrents George was 381 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: in Ukraine after funding the might On Revolution in twenty fourteen, 382 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 3: and you know how that benefited him financially and in 383 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: terms of Influencelex has continued that and the among the 384 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: other things he's done in addition to just knowing, you know, 385 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 3: seemingly every person in Parliament, a number of members of 386 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: Alex's cabinet he or Tilensky's cabinet, he donated a million 387 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 3: dollars to an NGO that is run by Zelenski's wife, 388 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: which you know, I get you can't co mingle funds, 389 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: but if you're taking two hundred billion dollars, I figure 390 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 3: something of that genre is probably not too hard to 391 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 3: fund in some regard, And it just seemed like an 392 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 3: obvious case of buying influence and one example that I 393 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: think I found of corruption, and it ties in to 394 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: what is the longest chapter in this book, which is 395 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 3: about his role in Albanian politics. And again it's a 396 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: country most people probably have never thought of before, but 397 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 3: it works as a microcosm of how Alex will work 398 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 3: as a whole in reshaping a country. And he's very 399 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: close to the Prime Minister Edi Rama, who just won 400 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 3: his fourth consecutive term. He's a member of the Socialist Party. 401 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 3: And there was a munitions deal in the isiated recently 402 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: between Ukraine and Albania where there was many, many millions 403 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: of munitions that Albania was to produce for Ukraine. But 404 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: Albania is not capable of actually producing any of these 405 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 3: things at all, so they're subcontracting it out to a 406 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 3: different country. And it raises the obvious question of like, well, 407 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 3: why wouldn't you just go to the country. Why are 408 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: you introducing a middleman who's going to charge some sort 409 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 3: of fee to then make someone else do the work. 410 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 3: And it's one of those things that it makes sense 411 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: in context of Alex and Eddie Rama and z Lanscape 412 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 3: brokering that sort of deal and The three have even 413 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 3: been photographed at events together, so I assume that's the case. 414 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: And Rama himself has overseen the explosion of narco trafficking 415 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 3: in his country. And you know, it's just a country 416 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: where I can't prove overall that he is benefiting in, 417 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 3: you know, in mass corruption. But it's a country that 418 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 3: it's so tiny and dare I say irrelevant on the 419 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: global scale. I mean, the average income there is ten 420 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: thousand dollars a year. There's no real reason to be 421 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 3: involved than a country like that unless you're benefiting from something. 422 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: You know. 423 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: Well, Also, this is a country that is weak because 424 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 1: they just came out of communism. 425 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 2: So this was what in the nineties. 426 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 3: They were just ninety two and George was the biggest 427 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: international donor into the country after that. I actually talked 428 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 3: to the former minister of education in Albania in he 429 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: was two and five to two thousand and eight, and 430 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: he told me that they would They had a joke 431 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: that the Soros schools were the Minister of Education and 432 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: they were like the sub department because it was more 433 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: than half of all schools there were funded or founded 434 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 3: by George Soros and we're teaching his ideology. 435 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, are you kidding me? So that's another 436 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: thing though, that he wants this. So Alex his love 437 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: of climate, all of that, that's what he's pushing into 438 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: our education, right. 439 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: Yep, Yes, And I mean so we Me and Joe Vasquez, 440 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: like I mentioned, who I did the other study with, 441 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 3: did one. And this took us three months to do. 442 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: It was maddening. We went through every single climate grant 443 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: that the OSF has ever issued and put them into 444 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: a spreadsheet, which was, you know, a thousand. It took 445 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: us so long. Anyway, we found that from twenty sixteen 446 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 3: to when Alex took over the OSF, it was like 447 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 3: around one hundred and seventy million dollars that they spent 448 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 3: on climate and the data only went back to twenty sixteen, 449 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 3: I guess, thank God for iceanity, but to one seventy 450 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: million from that time period from when Alex took over onward. 451 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 3: He's pledged four hundred and thirty eight million to climate 452 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: in the best two years, so more than double in 453 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 3: two years than what was spent from twenty sixteen to 454 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: when he took over. And the thing too is a 455 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 3: lot of these are umbrella groups where climate is there, 456 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 3: you know what they're named after, their central focus. But 457 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 3: then for some reason they're like protesting for Palestine and 458 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: you're going, what your your I thought you were planting trees. 459 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: They're every left wing group does that where they sort 460 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 3: of take on every group in the you know, every 461 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: clause in the left wing portfolio and they just pick 462 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 3: one to emphasize. And climate groups just love doing this 463 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 3: where they are you know, they just put climate in 464 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 3: the name, but what they actually do, you know, can 465 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 3: be completely different. 466 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: They just do one right, yes, yeah, yeah, okay, So 467 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: let me ask you this. There have been these rumors 468 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: that Democrats and maybe they're not even rumors, maybe they're 469 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: just outright saying they want to have a shadow party. 470 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: So they're talking a shadow government. They're talking about having 471 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: a full shadow government, their own cabinet secretaries. And I 472 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: think people go, oh my gosh, that's crazy, how could 473 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: that happen? 474 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: But when you have. 475 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, because when you have money, you can do that. 476 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: And when you have the combination of Juma Abadeen and 477 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: Alex Soros, which is really just the Clintons with a 478 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: lot of money, and the Clintons have a lot of power. 479 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton can walk into any government and talk to 480 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: the heads of state. 481 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: I mean, she has that ability. 482 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: So when you have this kind of money combined with that, 483 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: and I think everybody when they got married went hm, 484 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: that's interesting. What is that exactly about? And like I said, 485 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: maybe it's true love. No one believes that. So what 486 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: is the deal with this shadow government? Are Could they 487 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: potentially be a part of this? 488 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: Oh? I mean absolutely, and people will. I mean the 489 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 3: term shadow makes it sound conspiratorial, but shadow governments have 490 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 3: been around forever. It just means you make a parallel 491 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 3: cabinet to the ruling administration. And in fact, you know, 492 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 3: if Biden was still in office, technically, me, you and 493 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 3: your audience could all start calling ourselves all right, I'm 494 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 3: the shadow Labor Secretary and so on and so forth. 495 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you and I cannot just walk into Zalenski's office. 496 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: They can. 497 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 3: I'm getting there. I was gonna say. The difference here 498 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: would be they actually would have power, and they would 499 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 3: be people who are already in government assuming these positions. 500 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: And you know, they have the same platform that anyone 501 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: in Congress would have, and they only media, so it 502 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: helps them get their message out and al I mean, 503 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 3: I remember the first book, I did an analysis of 504 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 3: who are people that were on the boards of Open 505 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: Society Foundation companies that then served on the board of 506 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: media companies, And it's like basically every single company except 507 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 3: Newsmax and Fox and obviously this one, but you know, 508 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: it's it's pretty much everywhere. And if you don't believe me, 509 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 3: just type in George or Alex Soros into the search 510 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: bar and any mainstream media website and it's either praising 511 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 3: them or claim claiming to debunk a conspiracy against them. 512 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 513 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 514 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: What do you think his ultimate goal is? 515 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: Because it seems like he loves to fund chaos and destabilization. 516 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: So if you look at the whole, I mean, from 517 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: Jesse Smollett to George Floyd to defunding the police, all 518 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: of these I mean even you brought up Jasmine Crockett, 519 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: like all of these people, and even going after Donald Trump, 520 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: all of these Alvin Bragg, everybody that they have encouraged, 521 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: and they have these rogue prosecutors all over the country. 522 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: What is the endgame? 523 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: It's a tough question to answer because I always feel 524 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 3: like I'm being lazy and saying they just want to 525 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: sow chaos because they're evil. But is that not the 526 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: most obvious or the simplest explanation. I can't think of 527 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: a better one. I mean, I guess you could intellectualize 528 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 3: it by saying, well, they want to burn the whole 529 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 3: system down to then create something new out of it. 530 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 3: But they think they're going to create new out of 531 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 3: it is going to be chaotic anyway, So and their 532 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: ideology is deliberately open ended. Like we all remember the 533 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: cities burning down in twenty twenty, and you know, it 534 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: was over police killing black people, but there was twelve 535 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 3: unarmed black people killed by police in the entire country 536 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: that year, and it was it was the all time 537 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 3: low at that point. It was down even eighty percent 538 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: just from five years prior. So you could just as 539 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: easily say, hey, it was horrible what happened, but in 540 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 3: fact that we've made the most progress on this issue 541 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 3: we've ever had, and it's down every year and it's 542 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 3: heading in the right direction. It's all framing. So you know, 543 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 3: so far as there is one injustice in the entire country, 544 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 3: they can just make chaos out of that and every 545 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 3: I mean there's a million examples you could give of 546 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: the left doing this. I mean there were groups that 547 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 3: were and this isn't really chaos related, but there were 548 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 3: groups that were created to oppose to support same sex marriage. 549 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 3: And you know, when same sex marriage got legalized, did 550 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: they a go away because hey, we've reached our goal, 551 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: time to disband or b did they just champion a 552 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 3: new cause and keep raising money. And the answer is 553 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: be they pivoted to well, we now support some vague 554 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: notion of tolerance and kindness, and so as long as 555 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: there's one video of some kid getting called the slur, 556 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 3: we can continue to raise money. And every single left 557 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 3: wing cause deliberately has no end. There's never a goal. 558 00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 3: You could be in a communist country and there's so 559 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: going to claim it's not communist enough. So they structure 560 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: their activism so it will go on forever. Any goals, 561 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 3: even if they feel they reach them, will always be 562 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 3: portrayed as if they're not reached. So okay, so answer, 563 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 3: I feel like that's my least lazy version. 564 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: No, I think that's I think that's good. 565 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: I think that there's we just watch this and so 566 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: it seems like he's not necessarily getting where he wants 567 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: to go. But what is his ideology? Is he a socialist? 568 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: Is he a Marxist? Is he a communist? 569 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: Like? 570 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: Where does he want the country to go? 571 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 3: So he portrays himself just your standard progressive liberal, but 572 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 3: the you know, wall trying to present himself as a moderate. 573 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: But I guess given the left today, being a progressive 574 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 3: Democrat is a moderate somehow, I don't know. It doesn't 575 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,959 Speaker 3: make any sense. But he has continued funding all of 576 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: the radical groups his father is funding. So I mean, 577 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 3: there was an example I gave where he's trying to 578 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 3: portray himself as being moderate on Israel where he's critical 579 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 3: of Israel but is also Clohamas and wants a two 580 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: state solution and all that. But he chairs Central European University, 581 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 3: which his father started funds. Still they have their own 582 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: university network called the Open Society University Network, where he 583 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 3: partners with other colleges has spread the Open Society sorrows ideology, 584 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: and one of them is Al Kuz University where the group, 585 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: the terror group Islamic Jihad once held the demonstration where 586 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 3: they were doing Nazi salutes and cursing Israel, and this 587 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 3: was after they partnered with them, so they have never 588 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: gotten rid of this partnership. The faculty at the university 589 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 3: has defended it. They regularly hold like Martyr's Day protests 590 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: for certain Palestinians who've given up their lives killing Jewish 591 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: people and terrorist attacks. And this is a group he 592 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: has not broken off that partnership with. So it's hard 593 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 3: to believe unless he's just somehow is not aware of 594 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: all of this, in which case he should definitely buy 595 00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 3: my book. He's complicit in. 596 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: It, all right. 597 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: So the last thing I will ask you is how 598 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: much money does he actually play with in every election cycle? 599 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: So it was it's in the single digit. It's below 600 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: ten million, more than five million. I apologize for I'm 601 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 3: not no, I don't want to give the exact number 602 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 3: to get it wrong. It was between five and ten million, 603 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: and it was actually a bit less. The OSF given 604 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 3: less than in twenty twenty. So, but one of the 605 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: things they did was they also started funding news outlets 606 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: to promote propaganda. If there's one called Coreer Newsroom, that 607 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: was like twenty million, and it was to fund what 608 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: was presented as in partial news in swing states that 609 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 3: had a left wing bias. So technically, you know, the 610 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: funding the candidates went down, but when you funded it, 611 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: when you factored in that other spending, it was actually 612 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: among the highest it's ever been. So it depends how 613 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 3: you look in the data. But he went into that 614 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 3: media strategy. The OSF right now has twenty billion dollars 615 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: or twenty five billion, I should say, and obviously he's 616 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: gotting interests on that every year, so you know, you know, 617 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 3: five percent a year is what one point two five 618 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: billion if I'm doing the math. Someone will point it 619 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 3: out in the comments. 620 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: But Democrats should have to put in their financial disclosure 621 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: their in kind donations and list MSNBC and Washington Post 622 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: and all these places. But they couldn't because it would 623 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: be way beyond what you can get as an in kind. 624 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean, they were talking about them getting hundreds of 625 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: millions of dollars worth of media for free because of him. 626 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: So when people hear that number, they might think that's 627 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: not a huge impact, But what you're saying is so 628 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: key because that is where the impact is, and people. 629 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 3: Do trust local news more than national and in fact 630 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 3: that the liberals do own the national media, but generally speaking, 631 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 3: Conservatives have more influence on local news, like through Sinclair 632 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 3: owns a ton of stations and all that. So that 633 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: was their attempt to sort of thwart that, and you know, 634 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 3: thank god it didn't work. I mean, one of my 635 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: favorite stats from the last election, because I'm in New 636 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: Jersey was that the election was closer in Jersey than 637 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: in Arizona, meaning like it's you know, what does that 638 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 3: mean when even in Jersey it was I think fifty 639 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 3: two forty eight, Like that's never happened before for a 640 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: Republican since I guess the eighty eight or whatever. So 641 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 3: I know, everything is trending, right, It's great. 642 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: I guess Americans are actually smart. You can't completely trick 643 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: them despite how much money you have. Okay, So the 644 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: book is called The Air Inside the Not So Secret 645 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: Network of Alex Soros. So tell us when it comes 646 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: out how people can get it. 647 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 3: So it comes out December eighth. I've realized that people 648 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 3: don't like the pre order books, so I'm still trying 649 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 3: to think of like a sales pitch for that. But 650 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 3: one thing I guess. 651 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: They yeah, peoples, that's the perfect gift because it's like 652 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: one of those when you don't know what to get someone, 653 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: they definitely want. Everybody's guilty pleasure is the gossip about 654 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: how this stuff is going on. 655 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 3: Let me redo this. The books out December eighth, right 656 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 3: ahead of Christmas. Get one for your wife, gets two, 657 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 3: Get some for your kids and your family Descember eighth, 658 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 3: locking your purchase. Now, all right, that's my oh one 659 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 3: thing that with the bug I screwed up with the 660 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: title because there's a best selling series called The Air 661 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: that has sold millions of copies. So of course you 662 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 3: search the book and it's all that. So type Alex 663 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 3: Soros in the search bar and it'll be first. 664 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you got it. Now pay attention. This 665 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: is your Christmas gift everybody. I mean honestly, I would 666 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: I would like this as a Christmas gift. So I 667 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: think that if I would like it, then the people 668 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: listening to this they will also like it. 669 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 3: So do not agree more. 670 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: Matt Palumbo, thank you as always for coming on today, 671 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: Always fun, Thank you, always fun, and thank you all 672 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: for joining the Tutor Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, 673 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: go to Tutor Dixon podcast dot com, the iHeartRadio app 674 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts, and if 675 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: you want to watch the video, go to Rumble at 676 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Join us next time. 677 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: Have a blessed day.