Speaker 1: Look you saw the films to be buried with? Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, an ice cream cone, and I love film.
Speaker 1: As Doctor Zeus once said, a person's a person, no
Speaker 1: matter how small. And although Sharper was a smaller film,
Speaker 1: it should have had more cinema screens. It's definitely a
Speaker 1: big screen movie, you know what I mean? Yes, I
Speaker 1: do Doctor Zew's fair play. Yes, every week and a
Speaker 1: special guests over. I tell them they've died. Then I
Speaker 1: get them to discuss their life through the films that
Speaker 1: meant the most of them. Previous guests include Barry Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Kevin Smith, Sharon Stone, and even Greg Crambles. But this
Speaker 1: week it's the brilliant writer, director, producer and huge star
Speaker 1: of Apple TV pluses Shrinking. It's only mister Luke Tenney.
Speaker 1: You can watch the first six episodes of Luke's shows Shrinking.
Speaker 1: The show co created by myself and Bill Lawrence and
Speaker 1: Jason Siegel. They're all available to watch on Apple TV Plus.
Speaker 1: Give it a go, you will definitely love. Head over
Speaker 1: to the Patreon at Patreon dot com Forward Slashback Goldsteine,
Speaker 1: where you get an extra thirty minutes of chat with Luke.
Speaker 1: We laugh a lot, we talk about beginnings and endings.
Speaker 1: There's a secret details. You get the whole episode uncut
Speaker 1: and also add free and as a video. Check it
Speaker 1: out over at Patreon dot com, Forward Slashback, Goolds Team.
Speaker 1: So listen. So some of you may know this, I'm
Speaker 1: a very busy boy, and I'm going to have to
Speaker 1: take a few weeks off because I can't manage all
Speaker 1: of these things all at once. Probably only going to
Speaker 1: be a month, maybe a bit less. But in the meantime,
Speaker 1: we'll be releasing some absolutely hardcore classic episodes before we
Speaker 1: return with some heavy, big, huge, massive, incredible guests that
Speaker 1: I already have in the tank. So you can bear
Speaker 1: with me for that time. I hope you will understand.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for listening. I promise you the
Speaker 1: episodes we put out will be bangers. So you know,
Speaker 1: nothing really change, you know what I mean. It might
Speaker 1: just be something you'd forgotten, you'd heard a while ago,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Enjoy your lives. Anyway, here
Speaker 1: we go this episode Luke Tenny, Luke Tenney Luke Tenny
Speaker 1: is a tremendous actor you known from all kinds of things,
Speaker 1: and we had the absolute pleasure of casting him in Shrinking.
Speaker 1: He's been a pleasure to work with over this first season.
Speaker 1: He's amazing and I was very excited to get a
Speaker 1: chance to talk life and films with him. He also
Speaker 1: co wrote, co produced, and starred in an incredible short
Speaker 1: film called Jade that I watched just before we recorded this.
Speaker 1: It's fucking brilliant. He's brilliant. We did this over Zoom
Speaker 1: and I really think you're gonna love it. It's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes. So that is it for now.
Speaker 1: I hope you're all well, and I very much hope
Speaker 1: you enjoy Episode two hundred and thirty six of Films
Speaker 1: to be Buried With. Hello, and welcome to Films to
Speaker 1: be Buried With. It is I Brett Goldstein, and I
Speaker 1: am joined today by a writer, a producer, a movie star,
Speaker 1: a stage star, a man, a lover, a fighter but
Speaker 1: only in the peaceful way and only for what he
Speaker 1: believes in. And a actor and one of the biggest
Speaker 1: breakout stars of the twenty first century and one of
Speaker 1: the best and most wonderful men currently working on TV.
Speaker 1: He's a legend and a hero and a guy. Please
Speaker 1: can you believe it? He's here. He also does voices.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show, the Amazing, the brilliant, the beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's Luke tan a man. What an intro? You're lucky.
Speaker 1: I ain't giving you an intro because we'll be here
Speaker 1: all day. How are you, my friend? I'm great, man,
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Life's good. Thank you very much for
Speaker 1: doing this. I'm good. Thank you, Luke Tenny. We are
Speaker 1: recording this at the time that three episodes of Shrinking
Speaker 1: have aired. I was very excited to get you on
Speaker 1: the podcast, and I do feel like, timing wise, this
Speaker 1: may be the last time you ever have time to
Speaker 1: do with your podcast, which is why I'm making you
Speaker 1: do it now before you're so fucking famous. I'm big.
Speaker 1: You can't really do anything else, So thank you for
Speaker 1: doing this. Part of that's your fault, but we're gonna see.
Speaker 1: We want to see how it goes. But thank you, man.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here. I love what you do.
Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take the blow. Yeah, yeah, that's on you.
Speaker 1: You are in Shrinking. You are fucking brilliant. And I'm
Speaker 1: happy to tell the story and proud to tell the
Speaker 1: story that you came and auditioned. We auditioned on zoom.
Speaker 1: We did it on a zoom, and there was no
Speaker 1: other choice. It is a really wonderful thing when you're
Speaker 1: making something. It's such a mercurial thing casting as you
Speaker 1: well know that people come and some people are very good,
Speaker 1: and there were loads of people that were really good.
Speaker 1: But when you appeared, it was like, this is the
Speaker 1: fucking guy. You were brilliant from the first reading to
Speaker 1: the recal chemistry tests, whatever we put you through, you're
Speaker 1: fucking brilliant, and you were clearly so lovely and we
Speaker 1: have a no dickhead role. You passed that immediately. But
Speaker 1: not only are you're fucking brilliant the show, which you are,
Speaker 1: but you then, the more I've got to know you,
Speaker 1: I really really like you. And what I really like
Speaker 1: is you said, I've made this short, would you would
Speaker 1: you be interested in seeing it? I watched your short
Speaker 1: that you wrote and produced and starring. It's fucking brilliant
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I want to put are you releasing?
Speaker 1: How can people see it? Because it's so good? Oh,
Speaker 1: you're too kind man. Thank you. First, we're doing the
Speaker 1: festival circuit, and then once we finished that up, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see about YouTube and you got like pay
Speaker 1: money to get on stuff like Amazon. But we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna pursue whatever avenue we're people can watch it
Speaker 1: on a streaming service. So that's our eventual goal. But
Speaker 1: right now we're just trying to get in the festival
Speaker 1: to see if we can win some trophies. But thank
Speaker 1: you for your feedback. Appreciate it. It's really good. I'd
Speaker 1: like to know a lot about it. Actually, it's you
Speaker 1: and your friend no Am Yep and you and you
Speaker 1: write it and produced it, and you teld me you
Speaker 1: shot it in three days. Yeah sure, yeah, we shot
Speaker 1: down three days December eighth, ninth, and tenth in our
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. It's so impressive, and it kind of
Speaker 1: it's got a bit of do the right thing vibe
Speaker 1: to it in terms of the cutaways and there directly
Speaker 1: talking into the lens. But it's this sort of for
Speaker 1: those of you who haven't seen it yet, and I
Speaker 1: highly recommend it. The story is man goes to get
Speaker 1: a haircut. Is the story is plot that's what happens.
Speaker 1: But within this plot you get you get an entire
Speaker 1: sort of portrait of a neighborhood and a friendship, and
Speaker 1: there's this really it's really moving and it's only fifteen minutes,
Speaker 1: and there's a device in it where there's this kind
Speaker 1: of narrator telling you these are this person, This is
Speaker 1: this person. They're like this, they're like this, and then
Speaker 1: at some point suddenly you to the main two characters
Speaker 1: respond to the narrator and like you're being watched buy them.
Speaker 1: It's it's really good. Thank you, man, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You're very good at it. Thank you. Yeah, we worked
Speaker 1: our butts off hoping to not suck. So if we
Speaker 1: hear it's good, that's even back. Yeah, why that? Why
Speaker 1: was that your your thing? You and said it felt
Speaker 1: very personal and real. But yeah, where did it come from? Man?
Speaker 1: I ask a great question. Norm and I have known
Speaker 1: each other for like ten years now, and I used
Speaker 1: to kind of pride myself on how much harder I
Speaker 1: would work than everybody. Like I used to play football,
Speaker 1: so when I was in college or handbill football, handball football,
Speaker 1: American football. Okay, Yeah, and like I wasn't very good.
Speaker 1: But I gave I had a lot of heart, you know,
Speaker 1: and and I kind of really gave me confidence. So
Speaker 1: when I started acting, I was like, I'm gonna treat
Speaker 1: it the same way. I'm gonna getting the gym again
Speaker 1: in the locker room, like I just had the same vision.
Speaker 1: And then I could see like how people responded to that,
Speaker 1: and I really kind of liked that. And then I
Speaker 1: met noahm and was like, I will never outwork this dude,
Speaker 1: no matter how much I tried. It's just in him.
Speaker 1: He's just like up at four and like a sleep
Speaker 1: at like eleven, and he just that's how he lives
Speaker 1: his life. So he was the hardest work I had
Speaker 1: ever met. But the first time I had been in
Speaker 1: New York was for college, and that's when I met Noham,
Speaker 1: who was a New Yorker through and through. Where were you,
Speaker 1: syk oh I grew up. I grew up in South Florida.
Speaker 1: I was born in Chicago, and I grew up in
Speaker 1: South Florida. Yeah, and the first time I got to
Speaker 1: New York was when I was doing doing college where
Speaker 1: I met Norham. But yeah, so I was falling in
Speaker 1: love with the city. Florida was like fine, and the
Speaker 1: New York was electrifying. It was all this movement, and
Speaker 1: then I got so introduced to all these different types
Speaker 1: of plays and cinema, Like I saw my first Broadway play,
Speaker 1: which was Once, which was so moving, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was electrifying, and I just fell in love with
Speaker 1: the whole city. And no him and I wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of create an ode to New York when we
Speaker 1: started writing, but he actually hit me up with a
Speaker 1: film he wrote by himself called Ot, which we had
Speaker 1: planned to shoot March twenty fifth, twenty twenty. We never
Speaker 1: got to shoot that film, why you know, COVID, But
Speaker 1: in our well are we gonna do it? Are we
Speaker 1: gonna do it? We just kept writing and kept working
Speaker 1: together and kept meeting on Zoom just like this, and
Speaker 1: until we ended up writing a film that we could
Speaker 1: shoot through COVID that carried a lot of our hearts
Speaker 1: message that we wanted to kind of if we were
Speaker 1: to introduce ourselves, it's like, this is what we care about, style, rhythm,
Speaker 1: and brotherhood. It's just like things were passionate about. So
Speaker 1: that's that's how Jade was created, and the music in
Speaker 1: it is amazing. What is that music? Is that? So
Speaker 1: this dude. I found this dude about a year ago.
Speaker 1: His name is Oh Gosh, Eliotis and he's a DJ.
Speaker 1: And this dude I pay very close attention musically because
Speaker 1: my mother was a music teacher, and rhythm is something
Speaker 1: that influences so much of how I appreciate texts as
Speaker 1: an actor, how I appreciate reading dialogue. When I hear it,
Speaker 1: I just know like certain percussive elements. And he seemed
Speaker 1: to have this sort of swing in his rhythm. He
Speaker 1: was like manipulating the music to kind of miss intentionally
Speaker 1: on certain rhythms. And I was like, I hope this
Speaker 1: dude will let me put some of his music in
Speaker 1: our movie. And I hit him up. I told him
Speaker 1: I thought it was dope, and he was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I like the premise, go for it. And we got
Speaker 1: to we got to put his stuff in our joint
Speaker 1: and we chopped it edited. I think he's amazing. I
Speaker 1: think that dude is a genius. Yeah. The other thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask, Oh, so what do you want?
Speaker 1: Do you want to do all of it? Do you
Speaker 1: want to act right direct? That's a good question, man.
Speaker 1: I think. I think it just depends on necessity. I
Speaker 1: can tell you my main goal right now is I
Speaker 1: know a lot of homies who A lot of them
Speaker 1: you met the other night at the at the premiere.
Speaker 1: Just I know people who are way more talented than me,
Speaker 1: who haven't been afforded any opportunities, and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: give them something. So I want to produce, right, not
Speaker 1: necessarily direct, but I might fall into that, depending on
Speaker 1: if I can afford to get somebody, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want to make opportunities for people that they
Speaker 1: can be passionate about so that they can get to work.
Speaker 1: When did you acting? Like what to get from handbu fot?
Speaker 1: I love that? So I was playing a handball football
Speaker 1: in my junior year, which for you all is my
Speaker 1: eleventh year. Twelfth is the final year of high school
Speaker 1: for you guys, right, Yeah, So I was like sixteen seventy, yes,
Speaker 1: and that was all I cared about. I was trying
Speaker 1: to go to college for free. But then I was
Speaker 1: taking this acting class because my dad was like, hey,
Speaker 1: take something with like drama where you speak, take a
Speaker 1: debate course or something you talk nice. I want you
Speaker 1: to talk better. I was like yes, sir, So I
Speaker 1: took drama and it was cool and everything, but I
Speaker 1: forgot to change my elective, which means like there are
Speaker 1: certain classes you pick. So I ended up in like
Speaker 1: the advanced course. The next year, this lady walks in.
Speaker 1: She's not playing. She just took acting so seriously, and
Speaker 1: it just infected me. I was like, I didn't know
Speaker 1: it was a craft, Like I didn't know it was
Speaker 1: like a job. And I just got hooked from that
Speaker 1: point on him. So I applied for for some theater
Speaker 1: colleges and when I got in, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do this for real. Where did you guy? I
Speaker 1: went to a school called AMDA, which is short for
Speaker 1: American Musical Dramatic Academy. It was hard, but I liked it.
Speaker 1: So you did You did musicals as well? Oh no,
Speaker 1: they had an acting program. Okay, but I do. I
Speaker 1: do sing, but not well saying because I liked it.
Speaker 1: He okay. Last question on this, I asked this for
Speaker 1: everyone really shrinking. You're doing this show where your Kay
Speaker 1: stars Harrison Ford and Jason Sego and Jessica Williams and
Speaker 1: lu Kata Maxwell and Michael year Ay and you you
Speaker 1: know the every interaction of half of year, every rush
Speaker 1: I saw, every moment, you always seemed totally calm and
Speaker 1: totally comfortable on the inside. Where you going fucking hell yeah? Man, yeah,
Speaker 1: very good act man. I'm nervous now, Bro. You know
Speaker 1: how much of a fan I am of you? And
Speaker 1: it's like the fact that I get to be able
Speaker 1: to work with so many people who I admire respect
Speaker 1: is something that well, one it creates a sort of
Speaker 1: like imposter syndrome. But the other side of that coin
Speaker 1: is like there's a hope that hey, there's a shot
Speaker 1: this might be where I'm supposed to be and that
Speaker 1: right there. So long as that's not the only side
Speaker 1: of the coin that you stand on, um, it's worth it.
Speaker 1: It's worth the excitement, it's worth the where some people
Speaker 1: might say stress. But also, yare y'all are good folks.
Speaker 1: So if you're looking at me like I'm calm, it's
Speaker 1: because they're good people, not being jerks about anything. That's nice.
Speaker 1: What was the very first was it in Jimmie's face?
Speaker 1: My first day on set was fighting in the in
Speaker 1: the ring. We did all the MMA stuff and then
Speaker 1: the portions where Jason's telling me about losing Tia and
Speaker 1: all the fights everything in the MM Agent. We did
Speaker 1: that all one day. It was so much fun. Wow.
Speaker 1: A little side note, f they audience more and to
Speaker 1: embarrass you, we did we did a like a Q
Speaker 1: and a panel thing in New York and it was
Speaker 1: the full full cust and Me and Bill and Neil
Speaker 1: Government and everyone's on stage been very funny and being
Speaker 1: asked questions. And then it finally got to you and
Speaker 1: you said, oh, I'm not funny. I'm the least funny
Speaker 1: person in my family. And then you did like a
Speaker 1: killer fucking a killer five minute type five brought the
Speaker 1: house down, and I was like, this fucking guy, he's
Speaker 1: not funny, and it comes out and smashes it up.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, you just gotta be my family. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you. They just there's Joe.
Speaker 1: You could ask him. You could ask Josh in particular,
Speaker 1: be like, so he just do he's so wise and
Speaker 1: he's so chill. He got all these dreadlocks and hears glasses,
Speaker 1: and he got all the handsome and all the swoll
Speaker 1: just asking like is it true, Like did Luke have
Speaker 1: trouble with comedy he'd be like, let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: It wasn't looking pretty high one looking good. I don't
Speaker 1: know what happened, but we had to work on him.
Speaker 1: We had we had to put that into him because
Speaker 1: because it wasn't in his jeans, I like he would
Speaker 1: just tell you how it is. Growing up, it was
Speaker 1: I'm the youngest, and then there's my older brother Josh,
Speaker 1: and he's two years older than me, and then there's
Speaker 1: my sister Micky and she's seven years older than me.
Speaker 1: And I had two parents growing up, so life was
Speaker 1: peachy nice. Well, there was a time where after I
Speaker 1: actually lost my mom in twenty sixteen, and she was like, yeah, hey, man,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Um. She was like, glue, you know how
Speaker 1: it is. You got sort of matriarch. And her name
Speaker 1: was Rosalind and we called a Rose for short, and
Speaker 1: every time we would go to church, everybody would say,
Speaker 1: what's up, Mama Rose, sister Rose, it was Mama or
Speaker 1: sister family like. She just made everybody feel like family
Speaker 1: and we were family. But when she passed it took
Speaker 1: us a bit. But I think as of late, like
Speaker 1: there's probably not been one day over the last year
Speaker 1: we haven't exchanged some sort of like meme or y'all
Speaker 1: check this out in our little in our WhatsApp group.
Speaker 1: And it's been the delight of my life to slowly
Speaker 1: introduce my family to my wife because I fell in
Speaker 1: love over the course of that kind of growth and
Speaker 1: I got married and now like now I feel like
Speaker 1: I can tell my wife this is my family. Like
Speaker 1: when you met me, my family was like pulling it together.
Speaker 1: But as of late, I'm like, this is this is
Speaker 1: how it is. And she's having a good time too. Hello,
Speaker 1: you've been married. I got married about a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago. It was the best decision I ever made.
Speaker 1: It was a good choice, man, it was a good choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you met her, she's great anything, It's like, I know
Speaker 1: she's great. I do, That's why I married her. But
Speaker 1: also I leave her alone in a group of people
Speaker 1: for like fourteen seconds and come back and they're like, hey, man, listen,
Speaker 1: you can't screw this up. I'm like, she's amazing, and
Speaker 1: you do not screw this up. You fuck this up,
Speaker 1: and I'll kill you. I will kill you. I've had
Speaker 1: those words said to me. Actually it was Lina Condor
Speaker 1: who said it. I'm not sure if you know who
Speaker 1: she is. But she's another actor who I've worked with
Speaker 1: on my first TV show, and she was like, listen,
Speaker 1: you can't not screw this up. Like I felt like
Speaker 1: my life was a risk. But people love her. It
Speaker 1: is so do I. It is well like a fuck, fuck, fuck,
Speaker 1: I forgotten to tell you something. Oh what's up? What's that?
Speaker 1: What happened? I forgot to tell you? Fucking should have
Speaker 1: told you before we started. And I'm an idiot. You
Speaker 1: can tell me now, I mean, yeah, I'm sure. What
Speaker 1: is it? Uh? Gee? How do I? How do I
Speaker 1: put this into plain English? I suppose you've died? You're dead? Dead? Oh?
Speaker 1: I cannot believe this. I am shocked. I am appalled.
Speaker 1: I didn't see this coming. No, I should have. I
Speaker 1: really should have given you worthing. How did you die? Oh? Man?
Speaker 1: You know, last thing I remember, I opened the zoom
Speaker 1: link and this like really handsome dude popped up and
Speaker 1: I think everything just kind of went dark after that.
Speaker 1: Jesus the Devil, what happened? It was an angel? It
Speaker 1: was an angel, and it's a lot like Roy Kent.
Speaker 1: It was great, an angel of death. How did I die?
Speaker 1: I think I died happy, probably in my sleep at
Speaker 1: like eighty after eating some bomb barbecue and playing like
Speaker 1: smash Bros with my great grandchildren. That's probably how I died.
Speaker 1: So you you had some good barbecue, but you died
Speaker 1: in your state. Now, I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: my theory on this. I don't believe people die in
Speaker 1: their sleep. I mean I believe people die in their sleep.
Speaker 1: Oh they wake up to die. I think no one
Speaker 1: seeing the tremendous everything death that they're well. I think
Speaker 1: they were asleep, but we don't know. Yeah, we don't know,
Speaker 1: David eight. So what probably happened is this Barbo kid
Speaker 1: was in this Ye it was more of an this
Speaker 1: year than wait till right. That's hilarious. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of before. But it's like Dine sleeps like they probably
Speaker 1: woke up, bro. Yeah, so you had you maybe ate
Speaker 1: the bobble kid the wrong man. They got plugged in
Speaker 1: your in your trees and yeah, probably suffered probably horrific
Speaker 1: that anyway, something rough. Yeah, you do you worry about that?
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, I used to I grew
Speaker 1: up in the church, and I had a pretty solid
Speaker 1: understanding of what I believe and I think my parents
Speaker 1: kind of raised me to be so grateful for stuff
Speaker 1: that eventually this like autentick sort of gratitude kicked in
Speaker 1: to where there have been so many great things that
Speaker 1: have happened in my life, whether they're great because they're
Speaker 1: great or great because I thought they were great, that
Speaker 1: every few years i'd be like, you know what, like
Speaker 1: if I get hit by a bus, I didn't trying
Speaker 1: to fight it. You know, it's like it's been a
Speaker 1: good it's been a good time. I know some of
Speaker 1: homies and mine would be like, nah, man, like, oh,
Speaker 1: might just think about it, man, like what is it
Speaker 1: that we want that we don't have? Like I have
Speaker 1: everything I want, you know, But I used to fear
Speaker 1: it when I was a kid, I think just for
Speaker 1: being young, just for being young, but not anymore. Can
Speaker 1: I ask, when you say you're clear on what your
Speaker 1: your belief is, can you tell me what that is?
Speaker 1: Is it? Heaven? Is it? Well? Is that? How does it? Lick?
Speaker 1: I just think I'm gonna be able to see my
Speaker 1: mom again and that we're gonna have a good time.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be able to see it again.
Speaker 1: And I totally respect people who would be like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: that's it. Like one of my favorite creatives is Ricky Gervai,
Speaker 1: and he is like a devout atheist, and I love
Speaker 1: all his content. But he's banging into it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love it. I think that it's on the
Speaker 1: right side of getting people to understand each other's value.
Speaker 1: But I just think I'm gonna be able to see
Speaker 1: my mom again. I'd rather be wrong about that. You know.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I got good news. You're right.
Speaker 1: There isn't heaven. Yes, you're absolutely right. You swashed it.
Speaker 1: Ricky was wrong. You were right. There's a heaven. You
Speaker 1: get to see your mom. It's really lovely. Everyone is
Speaker 1: very excited to see you. It's filled with your favorite thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing, Maria? It's my wife. She's a human,
Speaker 1: but I don't want her to die. Favorite thing? I
Speaker 1: don't know. Food, barbecue. Let's go a barbecue. Okay, Well
Speaker 1: you can have both, yes, Maria. Yeah, has has been climbed.
Speaker 1: And there are a million Marias in heaven. They're everywhere,
Speaker 1: and they all like you. But the catches, none of them.
Speaker 1: Weren't you sleeping with anyone else. So you have to
Speaker 1: make sure that the Maria that you're with is the
Speaker 1: right Maria. So it's slightly tricky. Figured out, You figured out.
Speaker 1: And there's there's seven barbecue everywhere. The seats are made
Speaker 1: of port belly. It's great. You'll love it. As everyone
Speaker 1: wants to do all the marie is wanted to talk
Speaker 1: to you about your life, but they want to talk
Speaker 1: about your life through film. The first thing they ask
Speaker 1: you is what is the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 1: Lake Tenny. I'm pretty sure the first film I remember
Speaker 1: seeing was Oliver and Company. It's an animated film. You
Speaker 1: know that joint? Yeah? Oh do? I You know why?
Speaker 1: I know that joint? Not only because I know films,
Speaker 1: but also because that Oliver and Company, which, for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, it's a Disney Film cartoon film Oliver Twist.
Speaker 1: But Oliver's a Kitten is also one of the only
Speaker 1: films that stars Billy Joe, who is my favorite. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Central Park. It's so good. Yeah, why I
Speaker 1: feel that I were rare? Why should I kid? It's
Speaker 1: so good and the moral is great, and I think
Speaker 1: at an early age, like I do, I do also
Speaker 1: remember some animated films, like some when I was young,
Speaker 1: I talked about like some heavy issues like the Fox
Speaker 1: in the Hound and like Oliver and Company had music
Speaker 1: and it moved me as a kid. And you know what,
Speaker 1: that might have been one of the reasons why I
Speaker 1: fell so in love with New York because eventually I
Speaker 1: got there and it was the place I had seen
Speaker 1: and heard of my whole life, and now I live
Speaker 1: here in this place people make movies about. It's a
Speaker 1: great film, lovely performances, and the art was great. A man,
Speaker 1: that music, bro, I have voice so good. So you
Speaker 1: were looking around New York where that absolutely dog It's
Speaker 1: such a good flick. Man, it's great. It's great music.
Speaker 1: Did you see at the cinema on I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: we had that on like a dusty VHS. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that movie, that movie came out before I was born.
Speaker 1: I was born in ninety four, but my my brother
Speaker 1: and sister had been around, so by the time I
Speaker 1: got around, there was a lot of like a lot
Speaker 1: of content for us to watch out the crib, a
Speaker 1: lot of animated stuff. Yeah, all dogs go to Heaven.
Speaker 1: We had weird back, Like, there was so much good
Speaker 1: animated we had. Fern Gully was scared me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff, but I definitely remember that
Speaker 1: one that is loving. It has never come up before.
Speaker 1: What is the message of Oliver and Company that you
Speaker 1: love save match? If I had a guess, it's probably
Speaker 1: your chosen family is the most important family, because at
Speaker 1: some point you do have to choose your blood family,
Speaker 1: because if you don't, they might not be anything other
Speaker 1: than relatives as opposed to family. But what was so
Speaker 1: cool about that flick was like he was just this
Speaker 1: little kid who just had such a simple goal, who
Speaker 1: was like I just want to I just want a family,
Speaker 1: and he found it and they chose him, He chose them.
Speaker 1: It was beautiful, leg good deal. Great. What is the
Speaker 1: film that's scared you than mist and do you like
Speaker 1: things scared? I hate it? Yeah? Interesting? My wife loves
Speaker 1: scary movies. I love my wife. Is that working? How
Speaker 1: is that kid? It's working that I found. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: feel myself here. I found a way to cheat watching
Speaker 1: scary movies with her. So it's the secret. Like the
Speaker 1: frame of the TV or the even if we're in
Speaker 1: the theater, has all the violence. I look here and
Speaker 1: then she's always looking up at me and I'm looking,
Speaker 1: oh wow. But because I'm not seeing everything in HD
Speaker 1: and it's just peripheral, I can survive a little bit.
Speaker 1: But she's definitely gonna watch just off screen, and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm safe. That's what I do. But this sounds get
Speaker 1: me too. I became obsessed with a genre called cosmic horror.
Speaker 1: And yes, I watched this film that I don't know
Speaker 1: if people will know, but it's called In the Mountains
Speaker 1: of Madness. Yes, it's scared of Sam Neil. He plays
Speaker 1: the lead Sam Neil in the Mouth of Madness. He's
Speaker 1: written a book that sort of comes to life and
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's fucking great. Yes, in the Mouth of Madness,
Speaker 1: and it was adapted from the HP Lovecraft book In
Speaker 1: the Mountains of Madness, and that's that's how I switched
Speaker 1: it aims up. But that movie is terrifying because cosmic
Speaker 1: horror is the study of existential dread, which is like
Speaker 1: humanity in the face of absolute demise, learning how insignificant
Speaker 1: we are not quite sure why. That's the thing that
Speaker 1: really sucks me in when it comes to horror. But
Speaker 1: a bunch of cosmic horror films just really pique my interest,
Speaker 1: where the threat is not quantifiable or comprehensible. It's just
Speaker 1: here to do nature and we're all just swept away
Speaker 1: for the ride. Something about that man, it just piques
Speaker 1: my interest. Yeah, that's so. Do you have any idea
Speaker 1: why that's your thing? Because it's never come up before.
Speaker 1: Like most people are like, Oh, I'm scared of someone
Speaker 1: breaking in my house or of being stabbed, But yours
Speaker 1: is the insignificance of humanity on the planet. What if
Speaker 1: we don't mean anything? What if we're not special? Maybe
Speaker 1: that is the fear. But when I think of other
Speaker 1: cosmic horror films like Annihilation or Um Event Horizon, there's
Speaker 1: also Sam Neil. Yeah, yeah, there's no backstory for the villain.
Speaker 1: Think of like all these great horror villains, there's some
Speaker 1: there's something in there where maybe we can sympathize. How
Speaker 1: you going to sympathize with the literals like Hellscape of
Speaker 1: Event Horizon, or how do you sympathize with eldritch horrors
Speaker 1: that have been here longer than we've been conscious? Just
Speaker 1: what is Eldridge's Eldridge? You know what? I don't even know.
Speaker 1: That's just the word people use when they talk about
Speaker 1: HP Lovecraft stuff like I was running le I don't
Speaker 1: know that's how they describe Cthulu in them. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like all eldrich gods, like the gods
Speaker 1: who are all knowing and like just here before everything,
Speaker 1: they're not even evil. They just aren't worried about us.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the theory I am going to put to you.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you were raised in the Church and what
Speaker 1: you tell old you believe, what you believe in is
Speaker 1: sort of loving God, then these horror films are saying,
Speaker 1: what if God doesn't care? Maybe that's the that's the
Speaker 1: what it's terrifying because it's not even what if there
Speaker 1: is no God? Yes, what if there is one and
Speaker 1: he just he ain't worried about you? They just don't care.
Speaker 1: That's actually a really good take because I never found them.
Speaker 1: I never found the concepts or the plots of slash
Speaker 1: or movies terrifying. It was just the action. Oh, it
Speaker 1: would hurt to be sad. I don't want that to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But it's also maybe I think those things play on
Speaker 1: the fear of like it's not just your sort of
Speaker 1: grand view, it's the thing of if you are ultimately
Speaker 1: which I believe you are a sort of optimistic person
Speaker 1: who believes, you know, like you say, you believe in
Speaker 1: brotherhood and you believe in people loving each other and
Speaker 1: carrying about each other. Those films say what if none
Speaker 1: none of it matters, and everything is there is there
Speaker 1: is no good or bad, there is no love or Hey,
Speaker 1: it is perpetual, nothing less, and no one cares. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's really the heart of it. But look, man,
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it. And then I think conversely, there's
Speaker 1: like there's a great opportunity where if you can turn
Speaker 1: that concept on its head, you get something like Interstellar.
Speaker 1: We're in the middle of the movie, you hear Anne
Speaker 1: Hathaway's character saying, what if love is quantifiable? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the reason I'm here. Why should we treat love
Speaker 1: as any less data than your numbers on your screen?
Speaker 1: How do we trust that? Turns out they couldn't trust that.
Speaker 1: And then by the end of the flick you learn, oh,
Speaker 1: the thing that brought her out here, this inconsequential thing,
Speaker 1: was actually very consequential, since it's the reason why the
Speaker 1: human race can live on. Yeah, you know, that's something
Speaker 1: I often think about there's a comedian in England and
Speaker 1: he telled me years before it was like fashionable. He
Speaker 1: was in Peru and he did iOS years before i'd
Speaker 1: heard of and he did it like in the jungle,
Speaker 1: like like proper hardcore, and he had quite an intense
Speaker 1: experience in it. Sort of they were worried he was
Speaker 1: going to die, like it was all too much. But
Speaker 1: within his experience, he said to me that he saw
Speaker 1: that love was a thing, was a physical thing that
Speaker 1: you could hold, and that genuinely he could see love,
Speaker 1: that it was this presence that connected everyone and was
Speaker 1: almost like he could touch it. So I can't remember
Speaker 1: quite how he described it, was sort of like glue
Speaker 1: that it was. Literally he was like, oh, it's a
Speaker 1: thing love. It isn't this idea. It's a physical thing,
Speaker 1: which I always thought about. I mean, he was also
Speaker 1: offous not but yeah, there's that. But the reason why
Speaker 1: that like it almost inspires me, or the reason why
Speaker 1: I connect to that claim, is because for this cosmic
Speaker 1: corps genre to survive and for it to be so
Speaker 1: compelling to any individual, including me, I think it has
Speaker 1: to take something based in a sort of reality and
Speaker 1: turn it on its head. So I don't think cosmic
Speaker 1: hor is talking about evil. It's talking about zero, the
Speaker 1: lack of you know, as opposed to anti matter. It's
Speaker 1: just no matter. There's light and darkness, which is not
Speaker 1: quite a thing. It's just not light. So maybe this
Speaker 1: cosmic horror is just not love as opposed to something moving.
Speaker 1: It is just when there is not absence, and that's
Speaker 1: the fear, you know, zero, not this idea of less
Speaker 1: than like what if the bucks stops when there's just
Speaker 1: no love? You know what I'm saying, Like, what a
Speaker 1: great concept I do. I think that's why I like
Speaker 1: the horror films that I like. I like ghosts, like
Speaker 1: ghost ghosty ghost films. I like sip films. I like
Speaker 1: the fun ones like paranormal activity, but I like the
Speaker 1: deep ones like don't look now, you know I like
Speaker 1: my favorite kind of horror is is ghost ones. And
Speaker 1: one of the reasons I like them is a positive reason,
Speaker 1: because I do think any films with ghosts in them,
Speaker 1: it's like this idea, if you take away the scary
Speaker 1: bit of it, it's a positive idea of there's so
Speaker 1: much more, and there are there is the other side,
Speaker 1: and there is hope and there is this isn't it?
Speaker 1: There's more and the people that you love that you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like it. It opens the door
Speaker 1: to some lovely things, but it shows you the scary
Speaker 1: side of it. But you know, if you if it's
Speaker 1: like you're saying, you flip a cosmic horror on its head,
Speaker 1: a cosmic horror is saying it's all love, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you flip a scary film it guys, Hey, there's
Speaker 1: life after this. There's something after Yeah. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 1: once considered that. Yeah, it's okay. Maybe now I can
Speaker 1: survive Friday nights with MJ. Talk about something be You
Speaker 1: want to watch this with me and it's something nightmarish.
Speaker 1: You can try and look slightly more towards the middle
Speaker 1: of the screen. Yeah, just slightly higher. You can slightly
Speaker 1: move your way up. What is the film that made
Speaker 1: you cry the most? That you a cryer in movies?
Speaker 1: And the one that made me cry the most is
Speaker 1: about Time fucking hell? You know it? Oh my gosh, man,
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I sobbed. Yeah, I just I haven't
Speaker 1: brought myself to rewatch it. But that was the first
Speaker 1: time I think in the movie I sobbed like while
Speaker 1: the movie was happening. As opposed to after, We're like
Speaker 1: second place. It is probably it's probably Warrior with Tom
Speaker 1: Hardy and Joel Edgerton because it's about brothers and you
Speaker 1: know me, but love this brother. I just I love you.
Speaker 1: I love you, Tommy. I was crying, but in about
Speaker 1: time I wept tears of joy because the whole movie
Speaker 1: is about this guy with a superpower. And then at
Speaker 1: the end he's like, you know what, I learned the
Speaker 1: same thing that you have the opportunity to learn the
Speaker 1: same thing. It didn't give me any edge. All it
Speaker 1: did was teach me to be more and more grateful
Speaker 1: to be here, not to be superpower did here to
Speaker 1: be here, And I'm cricket gone, bro, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: so gone. And I also am obsessed with anything that
Speaker 1: deals with time in a way that treats time as
Speaker 1: though it's not linear. So it was the perfect of
Speaker 1: science fiction romance and just I can't even call it
Speaker 1: feel good man. It was like it was almost like
Speaker 1: a societal analysis of humanity and also boyhood, like this
Speaker 1: sort of yeah that's a bad time. Yeah, Like he's
Speaker 1: growing out of being a boy. And that's why his
Speaker 1: father tells him about this thing. He's like, you're a
Speaker 1: man now, and it just changed so much of my perspective.
Speaker 1: Good flick, you're very good at this. Like is what
Speaker 1: is the film that you love? It is not critically acclaimed,
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't like it, but you say,
Speaker 1: you're a dumb dumbs I love this well. I just
Speaker 1: mentioned Warrior, which I don't think had any negative critical acclaim.
Speaker 1: But I thought that movie was genius. It was like
Speaker 1: an action movie and also like sort of literal romance.
Speaker 1: It was so good. But you know what, man, I'm
Speaker 1: tired of people judging every movie like it should be
Speaker 1: Filet Mignon. Sometimes you just want a snack. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: want hot corn. And if people walk into a movie saying,
Speaker 1: I artist flame on and it's like, yo, we don't
Speaker 1: serve that here. We got hot dogs to hamburgers. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this with confidence. Tron Legacy, nice, my goodness, gracious,
Speaker 1: just press play on that movie. I dared somebody to
Speaker 1: tell me it ain't pretty. Press play on that movie.
Speaker 1: Close your eyes. I dared somebody to tell me it
Speaker 1: don't sound pretty. But that's death poke and we ain't
Speaker 1: getting that back, you know what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 1: can't really tell you what happens, but it looked good
Speaker 1: and it sounds good, and it's I don't get the hate.
Speaker 1: It's like we sometimes just want to go on a
Speaker 1: roller coaster. Who gets off a roller coaster with notes?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, le lay very yes, put
Speaker 1: it on the wall. Who gets something around the coaster
Speaker 1: with nights? I think the twirls there? Man, just ride.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. I saw yesterday. I was
Speaker 1: a bit behind seeing it. I saw Megan Mathregan. Yes, Magan,
Speaker 1: of course. I saw it at the cinema. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you that film is a five star film. And
Speaker 1: they tell you for why I haven't seen a film
Speaker 1: at the cinema that's ninety minutes. That is fucking fun.
Speaker 1: It was so fun. That was a film that was like,
Speaker 1: I'm here to entertain you. You want to have some fun,
Speaker 1: Come and see Megan. It's so fun. It's so well done.
Speaker 1: It has some ideas in it that if you really
Speaker 1: want to analyze it, I could argue that there's quite
Speaker 1: some serious stuff going on, but really what it is
Speaker 1: is a fucking good time and not pretending to be
Speaker 1: something it's not. It's fucking great and I thought, God,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen a film that was like, I've just
Speaker 1: a fucking great time at the cinema in Ages. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that movie. And what I loved about Yes,
Speaker 1: it's fun. What I loved about going in the theater too,
Speaker 1: was the roller coaster sense, Like, m most roller coaster,
Speaker 1: I can't think of it. That's like a single writer
Speaker 1: that's legendary. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. The fun
Speaker 1: part is watching everybody do like this, you know, put
Speaker 1: your hands up, and in that movie theater, I remember
Speaker 1: so many laughs. I remember so many I remember so
Speaker 1: many gasps. The biggest gasp in that movie was the
Speaker 1: spoiler alert for y'all who want to skip like five
Speaker 1: seconds ahead. She was like, hey, turn off, Megan, and
Speaker 1: she goes, now, hang on a second, we're talking. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that's good. The whole different. Megan's les listening.
Speaker 1: It's fun, it's great. It was a good it was fun, fun,
Speaker 1: well done Threegan. Yeah, what is it? On the other hand,
Speaker 1: what's the film that you used to love but you
Speaker 1: botched it racily? And you don't like it anymore. You
Speaker 1: know what, I'm kind of half answering your question. I
Speaker 1: think this film doesn't really like hold up, like it's
Speaker 1: not to watch now, but it's still one of my
Speaker 1: favorite films. I just know like, we can't make this,
Speaker 1: we can't make this film again. And that film is
Speaker 1: Rush Hour. I love that movie so much. If you
Speaker 1: press playing on that movie, the stuff that those dudes
Speaker 1: are saying to each other in twenty twenty three, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, there is there is no way there is
Speaker 1: There is no way that a script supervisor or or
Speaker 1: like an editor or any sort of producer would green
Speaker 1: light any of that dialogue. But holy smokes man, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a good time, just like there's something there's
Speaker 1: some man, I don't imagine. It's just it's it's tough, man,
Speaker 1: they're really cracking on each other. You may well be
Speaker 1: right that it's no one to press play and just
Speaker 1: keep it in your heart. Yeah. Like, oh, one of
Speaker 1: the best fight scenes starts because of some stuff I
Speaker 1: probably can't even say. But I'll tell you what. None
Speaker 1: of the community that I know is upset for Jackie
Speaker 1: Chan for saying the words that he has to say
Speaker 1: in that script, but the people in the movie, he
Speaker 1: wasn't Jackie Chan he was just police officers, and it
Speaker 1: was it was pretty upset about it. Great flake, But nah,
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't make that today at all. I'd
Speaker 1: be so surprised. Um, what is the film? That means
Speaker 1: the mice? Ta? Not necessarily the film itself is any good,
Speaker 1: but the experience you had around seeing the film will
Speaker 1: always make it special. Ta. Okay, this came to mind
Speaker 1: right right as you were speaking, Because so I started
Speaker 1: seeing Maria in twenty seventeen, and she was pretty upfront
Speaker 1: with me, like before, like I courted her. She's old school,
Speaker 1: so we spent like two months. How do you come
Speaker 1: across each other? Man? She just went to my my college,
Speaker 1: and apparently I ain't noticed. And if she can't hear
Speaker 1: me outside, well I'm sorry, I'm dead. She can't hear me.
Speaker 1: She can't hear not because I'm dead, So you know
Speaker 1: it's straight like that. She ain't gonna worry about it. Um.
Speaker 1: She she liked me. I had no idea, and apparently
Speaker 1: she would like hearing me on campus and then she
Speaker 1: would like and then she would like walk by and
Speaker 1: that was her way of like trying to get my attention.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm dumb, bro, I ain't gonna see that.
Speaker 1: Like if you would have told me, we could have
Speaker 1: started it sooner. But it's fine. You know, it worked out.
Speaker 1: Keep looking away. You were just walk by her like morning, Luke,
Speaker 1: and that was like, yeah, that was my hints. I'm like, really,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need more. But eventually I had some people
Speaker 1: around me who were like, hey, man, you picking up
Speaker 1: any hints. I was like no, they were like, there's
Speaker 1: some hints, bro. So I asked her out and she
Speaker 1: was just everything that I was looking for, and eventually
Speaker 1: we were just hanging out. There was a day I
Speaker 1: came over like there's something I was helping her out
Speaker 1: with at like noon on a Saturday, and we were
Speaker 1: just gonna spend the day watching a movie and she
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I want to show you a West
Speaker 1: Anderson movie. I was like, I've never seen a West
Speaker 1: Handerson movie. She showed me The Grand Budapest Hotel. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is great. I loved it. That's
Speaker 1: not the movie. Then she showed me The Greatest Showman,
Speaker 1: which she had already seen, but she took me to
Speaker 1: the Dollar Theater. I was like, you gotta see this movie.
Speaker 1: I love watching movies. I will do this all day.
Speaker 1: She was like really, I was like, yeah, So we
Speaker 1: watched The Greatest Show and I was like, yo, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm hype. I love the whole soundtrack. We listened to
Speaker 1: the soundtrack on the way back to her apartment. We
Speaker 1: get there. I don't even remember what movie we watched next,
Speaker 1: but she put on another movie. I was like, this
Speaker 1: was so much fun. I think you know what. I
Speaker 1: think it was Now You See Me, which I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen at the time. It is the Magic Movie. Because
Speaker 1: the next movie was the one that I put on,
Speaker 1: and I was like, if she, if she likes this movie,
Speaker 1: then I feel like I found her. What was it?
Speaker 1: And it was The Prestige with Christopher Nolas And she
Speaker 1: watched that movie so intently and then it ended and
Speaker 1: she looked at me and she was like, I love it,
Speaker 1: and I heard I love you. You know, It's just
Speaker 1: how my ears work. Sometimes you tell me you love
Speaker 1: the movie that I love, But I think the whole
Speaker 1: The whole thing was like I love movies so much,
Speaker 1: all kinds of movies. And then I'm sitting here with
Speaker 1: this lady whose face I like, who has this great personality,
Speaker 1: and then she likes what I like, she loves what
Speaker 1: I love like, she has a heart for cinema. And
Speaker 1: after the Prestige we just like sat and talked about film,
Speaker 1: just like how you and I are doing now, and man,
Speaker 1: I just I fell in love. I was like, I
Speaker 1: think I knew I fell in love with my wife
Speaker 1: because of Christopher Nolan's The Prestige. And talk about those
Speaker 1: performances man, Hugh Jackman, Christian Belle, Piper, Perabo, We got
Speaker 1: Scolet Jo hands in in there, like so many good performers.
Speaker 1: David Bowie was in that movie. Yeah he pops up
Speaker 1: it's tesla as he does, Yeah, I fell in love.
Speaker 1: The Prestige has one of my favorite moments in I
Speaker 1: don't it's to spoiling it because I don't explained why
Speaker 1: what it means. But the wife says to Christine Belle,
Speaker 1: some days I look at you and I see so
Speaker 1: much love in your eyes. And other days I look
Speaker 1: at you and I don't think you love me at all?
Speaker 1: And she says, what about today, And he goes, I
Speaker 1: don't kill that. But a movie I just wasn't ready.
Speaker 1: I was not ready. I cried to that one a
Speaker 1: fair amount the first time I saw it because I
Speaker 1: was complained this because Christopher Nolan movie. I was like,
Speaker 1: why why can't they be happy? How do you if
Speaker 1: I may kissed and whatnot before this movie? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: kissed and whatnot, but like okay, but like you know,
Speaker 1: I never really like like I said in college, like
Speaker 1: girls didn't like me, So what the fuck are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Or if they did, man, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. They just can't say I did. Um
Speaker 1: holds of women just walking past you and your friends,
Speaker 1: you're getting the hit. I was either dumb, but there
Speaker 1: was a lot of like real good looking dudes who
Speaker 1: waited more talented to me. So like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But when it when it came to Maria, I was
Speaker 1: just trying to verify that it was that it was
Speaker 1: like really going on. So I was always just trying
Speaker 1: to trying to court her in a in a way
Speaker 1: that she felt that out it was. It was just
Speaker 1: like is that anything better than that? Put a ring
Speaker 1: on it? Man, Like that's why I'm here, Like we
Speaker 1: talk about that night all the time, and she she
Speaker 1: looks like she remembers it fondly, but I don't think
Speaker 1: she because for her it happened in a different area
Speaker 1: of our relationship. So when I look back on that day,
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, since that day, I was like, whether
Speaker 1: we're together or not, I'm screwed, Like this is this.
Speaker 1: I've just never been in love like this. I'm this,
Speaker 1: I'm done. But she already was before all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she she was like when we finally started seeing each other,
Speaker 1: like before we were like, yo, let's be boyfriend girlfriend.
Speaker 1: She flat out was like, hey, look, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: real with you, like I got some serious feelings for you,
Speaker 1: and if that scares you, you can get to step in.
Speaker 1: It's just how I It's just where I'm at. But
Speaker 1: if you're in, then we're in this thing. Like I'm
Speaker 1: not that kind of girl who's like, oh we see this,
Speaker 1: we see that, Like if you in here, we in here.
Speaker 1: And I was like yes, man, which is what I
Speaker 1: was forward too, but it was the way she she
Speaker 1: was just like, I'm not beating around this bush man.
Speaker 1: I like you a lot, so let's get to stay.
Speaker 1: An amazing story. What is the film that you might relate,
Speaker 1: say Nick Tenny, Okay, I think this one's a double
Speaker 1: warmy because I saw Chef and I admired so much
Speaker 1: this guy who just wanted to do a good job
Speaker 1: doing what he loved. But then I saw Whiplash, and
Speaker 1: I saw this guy who wanted to be the greatest
Speaker 1: what he did, like the greatest ever. And I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm somewhere in the middle because I'd be heartbroken
Speaker 1: if I didn't push myself to be what I think
Speaker 1: I'm fully capable of. But also I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: make a good sandwich, you know, like it's not that serious.
Speaker 1: I'm not saving babies, all right, you know, like I
Speaker 1: ain't bringing people back to life. I'm telling stories I
Speaker 1: think are important and that I hope move people. And
Speaker 1: I gotta know that, like I ain't discovering new planets
Speaker 1: or nothing like that. You know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 1: an artist, so Chef kind of grounds me, but Whiplash
Speaker 1: kind of inspires me. There's like an obvious at least
Speaker 1: what I took away from the movie was how dangerous
Speaker 1: ambition could be. And I know some people who look
Speaker 1: at that movie, you know kind of how some people
Speaker 1: have recently been looking at Patrick Bateman as like an
Speaker 1: example to like sort of detach from the world. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was the point. But the
Speaker 1: same thing with Andrew Neiman. I think the hint was
Speaker 1: it's called American psycho. Psycho just a hint. I don't
Speaker 1: know how, but Whiplash is a little greyer, like some
Speaker 1: people might think, yeah, I want to work that hard
Speaker 1: and be that good, But I'm not quite sure that
Speaker 1: was the message. Well, I think talks about it a
Speaker 1: bit on this podcast that Damien. She's clearly has a strange,
Speaker 1: quite an extreme view of work because in in Whiplash,
Speaker 1: you know, he he's a perfectionist, but he isn't very nice,
Speaker 1: and he loses his family, his relationships, everything in pursuit
Speaker 1: of this perfection, which he achieves, but at the cost
Speaker 1: of an entire life. You know, he has nothing else
Speaker 1: in his life other than finally the respect of a
Speaker 1: very abusive, toxic teacher. And then yeah, then in La
Speaker 1: La Land, as soon as Emmerstone gets a job, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously we can't be together, and You're like, what happened?
Speaker 1: He's just got a job. And then in First Man,
Speaker 1: you know, he's the first man in the moon, but
Speaker 1: at the clear near destruction of his marriage, and then
Speaker 1: in Babylon, all the relationships are fucked in pursuit of
Speaker 1: this work. And yeah, I think he has a I
Speaker 1: think he's he's in love. I don't know. I find
Speaker 1: it really interesting because I'm with you. I think I
Speaker 1: think Wi blashes. I don't know what side he's on
Speaker 1: with it. It's a bit of a rors. I'm not convinced. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced he's a nice guy. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean in a sort of pathetic way. I mean genuinely,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not sure he's ever a nice guy.
Speaker 1: That I think that's what's quite interesting about the film.
Speaker 1: He's never particularly nice to his girlfriend or his family.
Speaker 1: It isn't like he loses something in pursuit of this perfection.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever really a decent person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that he yes just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a bit of like there's a bit
Speaker 1: of his reasoning where he looks like a zealot as
Speaker 1: he's communicating it, like it's obvious, and that that's something
Speaker 1: I'll commend m Miles Teller's performance on it, because the
Speaker 1: only other person we see that on in the film
Speaker 1: is J K. Simmons. Yea, and that guy obviously deserved
Speaker 1: all the awards. But I think what was so compelling
Speaker 1: was like, you see this sort of imitation there where
Speaker 1: he's not imitating excellence, He's imitating the consequences that he
Speaker 1: thinks come from excellence, which is mistreatment of people and
Speaker 1: like establishing a pecking order, and he thinks maybe if
Speaker 1: he emulates all that, the excellence will come. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something about that where it's like there are people
Speaker 1: who so many people respect, Like I love a lot
Speaker 1: of the work of Marlon Brando, but from what I heard,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be that. I'm good. Yeah, And honestly,
Speaker 1: if you are widely received as one of the greatest
Speaker 1: performances of all time, yet you had to do that,
Speaker 1: then you don't get that place. In my book, gotta
Speaker 1: be nice. Being nice requires zero talent and if you
Speaker 1: can't be nice and see, this is something that I
Speaker 1: admire about Jason Siegel because when I started working with
Speaker 1: this dude, I learned something that he comes to work done,
Speaker 1: so I never saw him off in the corner like
Speaker 1: trying to get in that. He did it so if
Speaker 1: somebody says good morning, he can say good morning because
Speaker 1: he's not worried about making sure the scene is perfect.
Speaker 1: He did that already. That's why he's here, that's why
Speaker 1: he's Jason Siegel. And if I don't see that, then
Speaker 1: I'm like, not for me. And that's something I loved
Speaker 1: so much about Chef because there's this one scene where
Speaker 1: I see your father apologize to a son and he says,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I was so mean to you earlier. I
Speaker 1: just really care about this and I want you to
Speaker 1: care about this too. He's like, you want to come
Speaker 1: do this with me? I'm dead, I've got so That's
Speaker 1: why I love that Flix so much, because it's this
Speaker 1: love story between a father and a son sharing this
Speaker 1: love for a craft. And then in Whiplash, it's the opposite,
Speaker 1: the kind of opposite. Yeah, yeah, he loses his father.
Speaker 1: He doesn't respect him because he doesn't he's not the same.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, look, you know this, I completely agree
Speaker 1: with you. I think there's no excuse to be awful,
Speaker 1: and I don't think it sacrifices art. I am aware of.
Speaker 1: There are scenes, there are moments, there are things you
Speaker 1: have to that can be challenging and difficult, and particularly
Speaker 1: if you have a particularly emotional scene or something like
Speaker 1: I have full respect for taking yourself off to a
Speaker 1: corner to be quiet for a minute because you need
Speaker 1: to get in the headspace or whatever. But to be
Speaker 1: abusive to people, it just makes you think, well, you're
Speaker 1: not You're a dickhead. It just makes yeah, like that,
Speaker 1: that's it, because there are plenty of other people who
Speaker 1: are good too, and exactly ain't got to do all
Speaker 1: of that or someone from doing, and it never goes well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll always look at that as a sort of lesson.
Speaker 1: I'm never looking at that. It's like, oh, I want
Speaker 1: to be that, but it's the other side of the coin,
Speaker 1: and I can't think it's impossible for me to be that.
Speaker 1: I have to understand it is possible, which is why
Speaker 1: I will make sure I've never becoming It's also like
Speaker 1: what is life as in at the end of whip Blast,
Speaker 1: it's exactly that. It's like he achieves this perfect moment,
Speaker 1: full respect, well done, and then what he's going to
Speaker 1: leave there? He's got no friends, he's got no love,
Speaker 1: he's got it's nothing. Just keep keep doing your perfect thing.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. What's what is life? What is what is life?
Speaker 1: That that's a question, that's the question. No, even better,
Speaker 1: the next question is what's the sexiest film you've ever say?
Speaker 1: It's white people are here? All right. Look, I was young,
Speaker 1: and I really can't tell you what this movie about
Speaker 1: Catwoman for obvious reasons, very very listen, it has never
Speaker 1: come up. You're talking the Halleberry catwomanly best cat Woman, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Halleberry was using the cat suit and that's that's the movie.
Speaker 1: So as a kid, I was, Yeah, I was dialed
Speaker 1: dead man. I'll tell you what, Like that's not for
Speaker 1: let me own. That's not hot dog. That's like, that's
Speaker 1: like a brownie, you know what I'm saying, Like what
Speaker 1: they call him with the ice cream, I'll a bold
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, the ice cream mountain number
Speaker 1: brownie or something. That's it. It ain't good for you,
Speaker 1: but it's delicious. Cat Woman, fucking right, fucking cat Woman
Speaker 1: one the lighten razzies. And I really thought, hang on,
Speaker 1: what could you possibly negatively say about Catwoman? What are
Speaker 1: we talking about? It here. It's just Harry Berry was
Speaker 1: Catwoman man, and I was I just I remember the
Speaker 1: one scene too when she first became a cat and
Speaker 1: she was doing all that, and I thought it was weird.
Speaker 1: And then she like caught herself on the ground. She
Speaker 1: like caught like because they always leant on their feet, right,
Speaker 1: And then I was like, I think I am an
Speaker 1: adult Catwoman Catwoman, Okay, traveling Bone is worrying why I done?
Speaker 1: Filmy found a ratsling that you weren't sure? You shit?
Speaker 1: What's that? Like? Teddy Catwoman? You know what I was
Speaker 1: thinking about not saying this, but I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of people want to agree with me. Space jam
Speaker 1: Are you into Michael Jordan or Lady ladybugs? Bunny? It
Speaker 1: was the bunny rabbit man. It was like she seemed
Speaker 1: so cool and she was a rabbit, but she seemed
Speaker 1: like yo, what's suck? And I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I'm an adult now. Char in an animation where
Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on? Like this is a drawing,
Speaker 1: a drawing of a bunny. It's not even fucking sexy.
Speaker 1: It's a sexy bunny that they know what they were doing.
Speaker 1: We can't act like they didn't know. They knew because
Speaker 1: you can draw a Mickey Mouse and there's a slew
Speaker 1: of all these Disney princesses. I ain't named none of them.
Speaker 1: I said, space jam, what's going on? They knew what
Speaker 1: was going on? They knew what was going on. You
Speaker 1: could keep you a princessive. I wonder the bunny, well,
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that. It was Sally lady lady
Speaker 1: sexy Bunny. That's what we're going with. Lady Sexy Bunny,
Speaker 1: Lady sexys fit objectively, objectively, what's the greatest film of
Speaker 1: all time? Okay, I'm gonna cheap. I leaped up to it,
Speaker 1: so initially my opinion was trying to count. Sometime I
Speaker 1: was like, this is a movie that's like, this is
Speaker 1: what movies are at their best. Then it was TUTSI
Speaker 1: I thought, as a screenplay perfect, like it is a
Speaker 1: template on how to write good. But as of late,
Speaker 1: I thought long and hard about this, I'm gonna pick
Speaker 1: get Out. I thought that that movie did things. I
Speaker 1: just hadn't felt like I was in class in the
Speaker 1: theater for a while because a lot of the movies
Speaker 1: that I watched that made an impact on me, like
Speaker 1: I didn't really watch like cinephile movies growing up. I
Speaker 1: just watched, like you know, I was I was just
Speaker 1: a viewer. I didn't know I wanted to be an
Speaker 1: actor until I graduated high school. So I watched so
Speaker 1: many movies in education. You know. I watched The Godfather,
Speaker 1: and I watched Tutsi, and I watched Chinatown, and I
Speaker 1: watched all these films that were I watched The Player,
Speaker 1: Tim Robbins, and I watched all these movies that were
Speaker 1: highly regarded as like this is how you do cinema.
Speaker 1: And I didn't really feel when I had gone to
Speaker 1: theaters that I was witnessing a part of cinema history
Speaker 1: until I saw get Out. Like when that movie ended,
Speaker 1: I felt happy to be live when it came out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I could tell people I saw that in theaters
Speaker 1: the way people talk about Frankenstein or like Gone with
Speaker 1: the Wind. I just feel like, get Out it's going
Speaker 1: to be that fifty years from now people who be like, oh,
Speaker 1: here's why this is one of the greatest movies of
Speaker 1: all time. So that's that's my choice. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think you're right, and it does. It does the
Speaker 1: thing that I often argue for it's it's a film
Speaker 1: that is profoundly about stuff. It's an incredibly serious film
Speaker 1: that also is fucking fun and exciting and funny. And
Speaker 1: that's it. That is the rare based of It's like
Speaker 1: a sort of Oscar movie that's good for you, that
Speaker 1: feels like a roudictister exactly. Sometimes the lions cross. And
Speaker 1: that's why, like, initially I was thinking, like to pick
Speaker 1: a recent I wanted to pick a recent movie for
Speaker 1: the Goat, and I almost picked Moonlight because it's like perfect.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that Get Out has is what
Speaker 1: you described. It feels like a roller coaster, and Moonlight
Speaker 1: is a perfect, like slice of life film. It's just
Speaker 1: like how you do that at the highest level. And
Speaker 1: then I'll look at some performers and all like categorize them.
Speaker 1: If I walk on the street and like, I don't
Speaker 1: know Michigan and say, hey, do you know who Daniel
Speaker 1: day lewis? Is the likelihood that a random person would
Speaker 1: know is very low. But he like, bro, you won,
Speaker 1: like you won acting. That's like that's just you were
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. We none of us know how he sounded.
Speaker 1: We're pretty sure that's how exactly how He's like, you win.
Speaker 1: But if I ask him do you know Dwayne Johnson,
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like yeah, and like, just because Dwayne's
Speaker 1: more popular doesn't make him like the greatest actor of
Speaker 1: all time. However, just because Daniel day Lewis is the
Speaker 1: greatest actor of all time doesn't mean he's going to
Speaker 1: be the most popular. So I feel the same way
Speaker 1: about cinema. So if I have to pick, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick one that does a bit of both. Like somebody
Speaker 1: like that is Dwayne day It's Dwayne oh Man. That's beautiful,
Speaker 1: It's Dwayne day Lewis. Okay, So what is the film
Speaker 1: that you could or have? What's the mist Iver and
Speaker 1: Iver again? Spider Man one? Sam Rami? Yes, right, maybe,
Speaker 1: but it's just yeah, is it better than Spider Man? Ta? Sam?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. As a screenwriter, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's better. I think Spider Man two is
Speaker 1: probably still one of the best superhero movies, the whole
Speaker 1: losing the powers and all of that, and it felt
Speaker 1: a little bit more grounded in reality, which is funny
Speaker 1: to say about like a what he did in that
Speaker 1: movie was making nineties movie in the two thousands, Like,
Speaker 1: look at all the cars in those movies. It was
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, yo, Like, how did they How
Speaker 1: did it look like it was nineteen ninety three? What's
Speaker 1: going on? But the Spider Man one. Absolutely, If it
Speaker 1: wasn't for those movies, I don't know if our family
Speaker 1: would have fallen from movies the way that we have.
Speaker 1: Because when in two thousand and one, I was I
Speaker 1: was born in ninety four, so I was like seven
Speaker 1: when I when I saw Spider Man, and the moment
Speaker 1: I kind of like awoke to I think I'm watching
Speaker 1: like something permanent. Was when he didn't go, well go
Speaker 1: and everybody in the theater who knew Spider Man knows
Speaker 1: he's trying to find this just get here, get here,
Speaker 1: get here, And I'm like, this is Spider Man, he
Speaker 1: has to get here. And then he finds it and
Speaker 1: then everybody in the theater's like and it was just
Speaker 1: like it was magical. So yeah, I've seen that probably
Speaker 1: more than any other movie in my entire life. Leg
Speaker 1: I didn't like to be negative. Now, so let's do
Speaker 1: it quick. What's the worst filming I've ever seen? The room?
Speaker 1: You know which one I'd be hard pressed to find.
Speaker 1: I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who's like, yo,
Speaker 1: I got something worse, because the question is the worst,
Speaker 1: the worst. It's the room like he made it. He
Speaker 1: finished it and was like, this is it, and it's
Speaker 1: it's probably one of the most influential, poorly made things
Speaker 1: of all time. But it stood up. It stood the
Speaker 1: test of time. It's insane, and they're like celebrated. They
Speaker 1: go to theaters and they quote it, they dress up.
Speaker 1: It's saying something. For sure, I don't know what it's saying,
Speaker 1: but it's saying something. I find room. The room and
Speaker 1: stuff like that upsetting because I go, it could be
Speaker 1: our slate. We don't know. We don't know until it
Speaker 1: comes out. He thinks it was good, like it could
Speaker 1: be us what you don't know, maybe it is, maybe
Speaker 1: it is a people still watching it good him. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I do this thing where I try to organize,
Speaker 1: like my thoughts and opinions because I'm one of those
Speaker 1: guys who really analyzes every every word that I say
Speaker 1: and how I say it before it comes out. Like say,
Speaker 1: I had something going on and I wanted you to come.
Speaker 1: You're somebody who I respect but I also see you
Speaker 1: as a friend. It's somebody who I feel like, wouldn't
Speaker 1: um say no if I wanted to invite you somewhere.
Speaker 1: But what I wouldn't say to you is, Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: having a party tomorrow. Are you gonna come. I'm gonna say, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm having a party tomorrow. Would love it if you came.
Speaker 1: I'll send you the address. Hope to see you there.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. I just hope you turn up.
Speaker 1: That's how I like phrase everything. I'm so analytical with
Speaker 1: that in my mind. So I can't, for the life
Speaker 1: of me imagine somebody, anybody who's a part of that
Speaker 1: production who went yeah, or just gonna let this fly.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the other thing about it is I
Speaker 1: think it's also like a god. Maybe it's a study
Speaker 1: and sort of power in that. Yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: whole crew on that and no one said anything. But
Speaker 1: maybe because no one speaks out ever, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like makes it so much worse. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, because if we were on Shrinking and you
Speaker 1: were like this is terrible, would you have said something?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. The last time I was a
Speaker 1: part of something that I think really wasn't good. I
Speaker 1: didn't know it. I was far younger, but I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: this would be fine. It's that could be the worst thing,
Speaker 1: and then it was. It was like I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: we could have done better than this. So I didn't know,
Speaker 1: but i'd like to think now i'd be able to
Speaker 1: see the signs. But I haven't seen the signs since
Speaker 1: that times fast. I haven't seen the signs since that's
Speaker 1: a lot. But I was in the sense sence I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I would say anything.
Speaker 1: I'd like to think I wouldn't. It's interesting. I'd like
Speaker 1: to think you would like, but what was he saying, Oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: this is awful? A man? If it was somebody I trusted,
Speaker 1: because I have done that before with with homies. But
Speaker 1: I think the way you do it is you prove
Speaker 1: through your life that you are somebody who can be trusted,
Speaker 1: and if you haven't done that, they might not buy it.
Speaker 1: So it's like I try if I have any sort
Speaker 1: of close relationship to be the best whatever that relationship.
Speaker 1: If it's friend, it's best friend, if its husband is
Speaker 1: the best husband, um, if it's if it's brother. It's
Speaker 1: the best brother I could try, so that if I
Speaker 1: say hey, I love you, it's not working, they believe me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all I got. Pretty good. You're in comment date.
Speaker 1: You're very funny. You braved it time and again. What's
Speaker 1: the film that made you laugh? The nice thing again?
Speaker 1: I grew up Baptist and there was so much like
Speaker 1: stand up We just like Eddie Murphy's Rob delirious. If
Speaker 1: we got caught watching that, like it wouldn't go wouldn't
Speaker 1: go well? Or Cat Williams. One time my brother got
Speaker 1: in trouble for watching the Cat Williams d It was
Speaker 1: it was big pimping or something whatever. It's called pimp Chronicles,
Speaker 1: that's what it was called. But my my favorite memories
Speaker 1: are when the whole family could laugh. And the one
Speaker 1: creator who made that happen year after year, none other
Speaker 1: than Tyler Perry. This is great to I think that guy.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to meet that guy. I just want
Speaker 1: to shake his hand and say thank you so much
Speaker 1: for giving me my family so many wonderful memories. And man,
Speaker 1: he just he did like there was stuff for my mom,
Speaker 1: There was cousin, you know, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: black culture, but it would check enough boxes so that
Speaker 1: even though Media was like just that a heathen, she
Speaker 1: ultimately was trying to be a good friend, mother, aunt.
Speaker 1: She wanted to take care of the people she loved.
Speaker 1: She was like a reluctant hero. And I think the
Speaker 1: best title in that was probably Media Goes to Jail.
Speaker 1: I remember laughing until my sides ached with my family
Speaker 1: watching that movie, sitting around eating lasagna, drinking Country croc lemonade,
Speaker 1: just like snot come out of them, those eyes running.
Speaker 1: The whole family could laugh. So but I could pick
Speaker 1: really anyone in his things. I think his plays that
Speaker 1: were recorded were probably our favorites. Meet the Browns with
Speaker 1: his class Reunion, which he never adapted, I don't think.
Speaker 1: But man, how would you say plays that were filmed,
Speaker 1: that were turned into films? Plays he turned into films.
Speaker 1: Some of the plays he turned into films, and some
Speaker 1: of them he filmed and then just released. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: And those were a riot because what nobody nobody was
Speaker 1: not prepared to improvise. And he wrote music. He wrote
Speaker 1: like eighteen songs for everyone in these plays. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this guy's a genius. Where are his flowers? But he's
Speaker 1: been getting them recently, so I'm where I'm hoping people
Speaker 1: respect this dude because I do. Holy smokes, that's fucking great.
Speaker 1: Where are his flowers? I hear him trying to negativity
Speaker 1: towards Tyler Perry films, and I'm always like, they make
Speaker 1: millions of people happy, like and he's the birth of
Speaker 1: so many careers to Rogie Benson, interest ELBM. Some of
Speaker 1: these people were like famous before but then they did
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, like ten million dollar movies and those
Speaker 1: were typed pair movies. You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I'm sure I didn't hurt. Amazing, Luke, you have been wonderful.
Speaker 1: I'd say this has been one of my favorites. It's
Speaker 1: been one of my favorite podcasts too, so thank you.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this, However, when you were eighteen
Speaker 1: and you had a little barbecue and it was good barbecue.
Speaker 1: No I was complaining about the barbecue. And you were
Speaker 1: with your post pre wife, or as I like to
Speaker 1: call her, your wife, Maria, and you went to bed.
Speaker 1: You kissed her good night lovingly, long kissed, free kiss
Speaker 1: kiss kiss kis kiss, and then you went to sleep,
Speaker 1: and you suddenly woke up in the middle of that
Speaker 1: really didn't wake up, so in her mind you were
Speaker 1: just asleep. But you were, and your your arties were
Speaker 1: clogged with barbecue. The windpipe was club with having You're
Speaker 1: in tremendous pain. It's very upsetting. But you couldn't make
Speaker 1: a sound because everything was clogged out. You were, and
Speaker 1: then your sofa gets exploded, and your lungs exploded and
Speaker 1: your spleen exploded. You were dead. And in the morning
Speaker 1: Maria woke up and she looked at you as you went.
Speaker 1: He must have died so peacefully in his sleep. And
Speaker 1: I was I was walking past with a coffin, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm like. And Maria says, Brett, I think
Speaker 1: Luke died peacefully in his sleep. And I said, doesn't
Speaker 1: sound believable, but okay, I'll come and look. And they
Speaker 1: come upstairs and they go, Maria, what makes you think
Speaker 1: it was peaceful. He's absolutely covered in blood, his chest
Speaker 1: panties exploded, his stomach's exploded, his throat has exploded. It's
Speaker 1: a mess, Marid. She guys, no, I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 1: was peaceful. It looks like a fucking massacre. In here
Speaker 1: I go. We'll give you a hand, so I give
Speaker 1: her a couple of knives. We very happily chop you
Speaker 1: up into bits. She's pretty calm about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: We get all your bits, bits of you. There's more
Speaker 1: of your knives expected. There's a lot of barbecue. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's ribs and what's ribs if you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, piling them again, a lot in the
Speaker 1: in the cuffing and stuff, stamping on it, stamping on it,
Speaker 1: just to try and jam it olin and jamming him
Speaker 1: elbos getting olin is rammed in this coffin. There's really
Speaker 1: early enough room to slide one DVD into the side
Speaker 1: with you for you to take across to the other side.
Speaker 1: And on the other side, it's Maybe night every night.
Speaker 1: What film are you taking to show the million clowns
Speaker 1: of Maria in Barbecue Heaven when it is your Maybe night?
Speaker 1: Do you know what? I think? This is something my
Speaker 1: mom would appreciate. I want I want her to see
Speaker 1: my first ever job, which is a movie called Shokana
Speaker 1: And What's wild is I graduated six months after she passed,
Speaker 1: and about a week before I learned she had like
Speaker 1: this unhealthy faith in me. I was like you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't think like that. But there was one time
Speaker 1: I was back in Florida just for a bit. I
Speaker 1: was rushing out, trying to go hang out with some friends,
Speaker 1: and I had like all from wrinkly clothes. She's like, boy,
Speaker 1: if you'll get up behind in that room, and iron
Speaker 1: was clothes walking out of here looking like a heathen.
Speaker 1: I was like, Mom, I'm just going to hang out
Speaker 1: with some friends from high school. Okay, I'm not meeting
Speaker 1: Denzel Washington. She was like, honestly, that man, go hire.
Speaker 1: You want to work with you no matter what you
Speaker 1: look like, but your friends will be embarrassed to see you.
Speaker 1: So getting there, and I your clothes for these people
Speaker 1: that you love, and I was like, yes, ma'am. But
Speaker 1: upon hindsight, I realized how easy she had faith that
Speaker 1: I was going to do this thing at the highest level.
Speaker 1: And I remember booking shock and awe, feeling so frustrated.
Speaker 1: I was like, if six months, if only I could
Speaker 1: just show her, hey, hey, it worked, Like all the support,
Speaker 1: all the time, all the effort, all the money you spent,
Speaker 1: all the sacrifices you made, it worked. I think this
Speaker 1: is the open door that I can walk through and
Speaker 1: finally do this thing at a high level for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. But when the memories came back,
Speaker 1: I realized she would probably just want to know what
Speaker 1: I'm up to because she never had a doubt that
Speaker 1: I would be able to create at a high level.
Speaker 1: So I would say the prestige because that's what I
Speaker 1: fell in love with my wife watching, and she'd just
Speaker 1: want to know tell me about what you're up to,
Speaker 1: and she'd want to know how I pulled somebody like Maria.
Speaker 1: Oh boy or sorry or sorry, I said the prestige,
Speaker 1: but um, I met shocking. She How did I shut up?
Speaker 1: Because you were saying I could just show you the
Speaker 1: prestige because would be lovely. She was right, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I could show her shocking on, but I'd probably I'd
Speaker 1: probably end up showing her the prestige because your plane is,
Speaker 1: which I think is beautiful. You don't have to show
Speaker 1: She already knew. She knew before it even happened. You
Speaker 1: were always gonna make it for sure. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: And that's actually the first time somebody said that to me.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you being the guy who's who said that,
Speaker 1: because I'll never forget that. So thanks, but yeah, thanks man.
Speaker 1: This has been awesome, This has been one really really
Speaker 1: want to like you so much for doing this. Is
Speaker 1: that anything people should look out for and watch other
Speaker 1: than shrinking? Is there anything he want to tell people
Speaker 1: to look out for, for example, your short film, which
Speaker 1: I hope to be able to see. Yeah, yeah, when
Speaker 1: Jay comes out, I hope you'll check it out. Man,
Speaker 1: I really hope you'll enjoy it. I hope you see
Speaker 1: what me and my homies are about. We're trying to
Speaker 1: create films that are uplifting but also take a good
Speaker 1: snapshot of what the world is right now. And I
Speaker 1: just did another gig called The Nickel Boys, which is
Speaker 1: an adaptation from a novel by an author called Coast
Speaker 1: in my Head. You know the Nickel Boys. Yeah really yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, that book word it went well.
Speaker 1: It went well. Surprisingly, it was like fun despite the subject.
Speaker 1: Better you would know, you're you're very well, like you
Speaker 1: know what's up? You know what's out there, dude, like
Speaker 1: I know, and you're busy, which is wild. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: So Nickel Boys is coming out. I'm not sure when,
Speaker 1: but we wrapped it last year and I hope that
Speaker 1: it moves people and educates them on what was going
Speaker 1: on for a while. Fantastic. Is it a film or TV?
Speaker 1: It made it a movie. It feels TV. I don't
Speaker 1: know how. I don't know how. Yeah. I told Maria
Speaker 1: she probably don't want to watch it. But it's one
Speaker 1: of those movies that I think will make a big
Speaker 1: impact on remembering where we came from. Luke, You're fucking brilliant.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, Thank you for doing this. Thank you for
Speaker 1: your time. I hope we get to do more work together.
Speaker 1: And if you ask me in the way that you
Speaker 1: plan to ask me, I will come to your party.
Speaker 1: Thanks man. I appreciate you. Yeah, man, Hey, look, you
Speaker 1: know I can't send your praises enough. I got so
Speaker 1: much respect to you, and I'm glad that we got
Speaker 1: to collaborate. Great man, I appreciate you. I was basically
Speaker 1: I love you. Okay, good night. So that was episode
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty six. Head over to the Patreon
Speaker 1: at patreon dot com forward slash Breck gold Steam for
Speaker 1: the extra thirty minutes of chat, secrets and video with Luke.
Speaker 1: Don't miss the first six episodes of Shrinking, now available
Speaker 1: on Apple TV Plus. You can watch them all now
Speaker 1: go to Apple Podcasts. Give us a vice style writing,
Speaker 1: but right about the film that means the most to
Speaker 1: you and why it's a lovely thing to read. It's
Speaker 1: very appreciated. You're all appreciated. Thank you for listening. I
Speaker 1: appreciate all of you. Can take a little break, as
Speaker 1: I told you, just a month. But in the meantime
Speaker 1: there'll be some banging guests from the past that we
Speaker 1: will re release in a classical way and you'll love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Luke for giving me his time.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Scrubius piping the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Buddy Piece for producing it. Thanks to Acous for hosting
Speaker 1: it special, thanks to John Harris. Thanks to Adam Richardson
Speaker 1: for the graphics and He's to allow them for the photography.
Speaker 1: Come join me next week for a classic rewind episode.
Speaker 1: And that is it for now. In the meantime, have
Speaker 1: a lovely week, and please be excellent to each others.
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