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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and good evening. Welcome to the program that

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Speaker 1: gets you inside NRG Stadium here in the Hunday Texans

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Speaker 1: Radio studio. I'm Mark vander Meer and it is Texans

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Speaker 1: All Access across the hall from the locker room. Tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday. John McClain from the Houston Chronicle on the

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Speaker 1: program General, I know you're about to do some traveling.

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Speaker 1: We got the Combine coming up in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: The offseason about to get very busy. Great to have

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Speaker 1: you here. How you doing. I'm doing great, Mark, how

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Speaker 1: are you? I'm doing well? And a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: today about the Astros, of course, and what they did.

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Speaker 1: And this is a football show, but we can look

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Speaker 1: at things through a football lens, and now I'm going

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Speaker 1: to start right here. The analogy of what the Astros

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Speaker 1: did would be the same as let's say, intercepting the

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Speaker 1: signal from the coach's press box down to the field

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Speaker 1: or from the coach to the quarterback, and you're able

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Speaker 1: to sort of decipher the play in time to do

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Speaker 1: something about it. Whether it's a runner a pass, that's

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Speaker 1: probably are you going to get? And that's all they

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Speaker 1: were getting? Is it? A fastball or anything else, Well,

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Speaker 1: is it a runner? A PA would be good information

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Speaker 1: for the defense, and I don't know how that would

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Speaker 1: sit with people. Do you think I'm right in that analogy? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: The people always say it's a whole lot different when

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Speaker 1: you know it's going to be a breaking ball, even

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Speaker 1: though you don't know what kind of breaking ball. Still

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Speaker 1: it's a big difference. And listen to their news conference

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Speaker 1: in West Palm Beach. I'll be going over there to

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Speaker 1: watch them like I always do as a fan. And

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Speaker 1: what blew me away, Mark is They've had all this

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Speaker 1: time to prepare and they had one of the worst

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Speaker 1: news conferences I've ever seen. They just didn't come off

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Speaker 1: PR firm to walk them through everything? The one bringing

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Speaker 1: out Bragman and now two theay to read statements was awful,

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Speaker 1: no taking questions. I felt bad for Dusty Baker. Jim

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Speaker 1: Crane was so much better here when he fired Jeff

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Speaker 1: Luneau and j Inch than he was there now. When

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Speaker 1: they got in the locker room listening to Carlos Correa

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Speaker 1: and the players talk, they were much more genuine in there.

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Speaker 1: Than they were here. What national media wanted them to

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Speaker 1: say is the truth. Number one. Yes, our World Series

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Speaker 1: is always gonna be tarnished. When you talk about two

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Speaker 1: And somebody to say, you know what, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: apologize to the Red Sox, the Yankees and the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly to what extent us cheating helped

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Speaker 1: them beat them, but I want to apologize for it,

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Speaker 1: and every other team we played that year, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: And then if he did that, because in almost everything

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Speaker 1: I listened to them the follow up, that's what people wanted.

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Speaker 1: Now so often apologies are not genuine, but people do them.

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Speaker 1: And we're such a forgiving society. But they're gonna get

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Speaker 1: this the rest of the season. They're gonna get the

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Speaker 1: questions over and over. They're not going to answer them.

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Speaker 1: And Carlos Beltron, I mean, Carlos Rays shot down the

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Speaker 1: Baltroun stuff that he orchestrated and put pressure on the

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Speaker 1: young guys, and I thought that was good, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Crane laid it all on Luno and the engine said

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Speaker 1: more changes are coming in the front office, but the

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Speaker 1: investigation said it was player driven, So yes, it was

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Speaker 1: player driven, but they just totally mishandled it. And going

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Speaker 1: back to when they mishandled a thing with what's his name,

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Speaker 1: Tobman and the women reporters and it was reported, and

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Speaker 1: of course they were wrong. They've just done a terrible job,

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Speaker 1: and they'll be there'll be an example in public relations

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Speaker 1: though maybe they did, maybe they didn't. They didn't do

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Speaker 1: a good job because John, I think the whole thing

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Speaker 1: does beg for punishment of the players, and this is

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Speaker 1: was that they did it and they won the championship.

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Speaker 1: Had they not won the championship, maybe this isn't as

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Speaker 1: and if they didn't have immunity, Baseball I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: found out. Ninety percent of would have found out, right,

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait. Here's something that's hard for me

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Speaker 1: to believe. If you believe Carlos Beltron was the instigator,

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Speaker 1: is a twenty year veteran. He was with the Yankees

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Speaker 1: for three years, but they were clean. Then he came

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Speaker 1: then he laughing went bout to the Yes for two years,

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Speaker 1: but they were clean. So five out of six years

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Speaker 1: Beltron is clean with the Yankees, but dirty with the Astros.

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Speaker 1: And if you're whining like a lot of the Yankees

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Speaker 1: not a victim of Baseball's investigation. You know it's taken

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Speaker 1: them forever on the Red Sox, and so many people

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Speaker 1: have said, and this is true, You've got to be

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Speaker 1: stupid to think other teams. We're not trying to take

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Speaker 1: advantage of electronic signs dealing it. Maybe investigation go for years,

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Speaker 1: but I'll be glad when they start playing. When I

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Speaker 1: go down to spring training, I told a friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: abused then like they will be in regular season. They

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be very tough for them to deal with. Now,

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Speaker 1: the analogies with the Patriots, Okay, the Patriots did whatever

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Speaker 1: I said, this is an astro's conversation, but through a

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Speaker 1: Right Hey, it doesn't. It doesn't really help us that much.

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Speaker 1: Whatever we did, whatever we are accused of, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter because we'll win no matter what that's their battle cry,

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Speaker 1: and I know that's what the Astros want to try

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Speaker 1: to get accomplished this year. Last year when they were

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Speaker 1: You know, he went to the seventh game of the

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Speaker 1: of the things that bothers me about anonymous quotes. When

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Speaker 1: now forty eight years, I know I've seen that. So

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Speaker 1: I'm careful about not just the Astros, but anything I

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Speaker 1: I don't. It'll never end unless they if they win

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Speaker 1: another one, win another one, then people, you won't be

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Speaker 1: tarnished as cheaters like the Patriots. You know, I've never

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Speaker 1: put any into flake gates, so what. But in Spygate,

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Speaker 1: you know, they got they got fined a lot, they

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of forgotten. John, Why offer the player's

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Speaker 1: immunity if I know, you get to the bottom of it,

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Speaker 1: But how does that really help you? I mean, why

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Speaker 1: can't you just come out and say, listen, anybody caught

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Speaker 1: And kept doing it? Yeah? You know, remember they came

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Speaker 1: out two times. Rob Man for the last time he said, okay,

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Speaker 1: if anybody does this, he got the Yankees in the

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Speaker 1: red Soxe, you got me, and and he said, if

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Speaker 1: you keep doing it, you're gonna get punished more severely,

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Speaker 1: like the NFL told the Patriots. Look after Spygate, if

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Speaker 1: severely on you. And a lot of people thought the

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Speaker 1: and the reason was they didn't like Jeff Luo. They

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Speaker 1: like the way the Astros did business analytics, analytics, analytics,

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Speaker 1: and in fact, they won and they rebuilt in a

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Speaker 1: That's how they went from one hundred losses to one

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Speaker 1: again and they're still probably third best team in baseball

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Speaker 1: I find that the flate Gate thing in retrospect really

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Speaker 1: thought it was a ridiculous punishment the severity of it.

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Speaker 1: because they told him after the first one, get caught again,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be punished or severely. So I I agree

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Speaker 1: it was harsh, but it wasn't because they did something

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Speaker 1: got caught with their hand in a cookie jar second time.

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Speaker 1: What's worse this or the steroid era scandal? Um steroid

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Speaker 1: erao scandal was a cross baseball and it might be

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Speaker 1: too it helped. It could be. We're gonna find out,

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Speaker 1: but I would like to know something, and we'll never

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Speaker 1: know how many players did it, how many benefited from it,

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Speaker 1: because even if you know a ball is going to

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Speaker 1: know it's a fastball, and you might miss. Some guys

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Speaker 1: just like steroids. He took steroids and they worked hard

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Speaker 1: and they made it work better than others. And XFL

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Speaker 1: coach June Jones told me a long time ago when

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Speaker 1: mid seventies, team doctor said something like, Okay, we want

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Speaker 1: not working. He said, well, are you working out? Huh?

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Speaker 1: a lot of guys did it. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys who did it way back in the day,

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Speaker 1: The way they're gonna shut down Las Vegas Boulevard, which

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Speaker 1: is packed bumper to bumper every night, and gonna be

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Speaker 1: the Bellagio's gonna put them in their pool and their

428
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Speaker 1: pond and take them on a boat to the front door.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be lavish. They're gonna have everything

430
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: but riding in on elephants. All right. So the NFL

431
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Speaker 1: is having a fan and a summit in May, and

432
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: I go to these things because they have a social

433
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Speaker 1: digital media component there and they have some ticketing and

434
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Speaker 1: other things marketing and Vegas. Well, it's actually in LA

435
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Speaker 1: and a few of us are going to go because

436
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Speaker 1: I mean, this thing happened. It's a behind the scenes

437
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Speaker 1: kind of thing. I rarely talk about this, but we're

438
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Speaker 1: going to be allowed to tour the LA Stadium and

439
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna be cool. I doubt it to be completely

440
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: done at that point, but it's gonna be cool to

441
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Speaker 1: see what they have. And I'm particularly interested to see

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Speaker 1: what they have as broadcast facilities in the stadium. Well,

443
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Speaker 1: you think it's a lot better than some of those

444
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Speaker 1: you got a broadcast from it, certainly, not in the well,

445
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: not just the booth, but what they do for internal television,

446
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 1: like the room we're in right now with the Hunday

447
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 1: Texans Radio Studio and we double this up for TV.

448
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Speaker 1: And that I mean, they probably have quite a set up,

449
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: supposed to be state of the art. It's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be unprecedented in every area. It's gonna end up costing

451
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Speaker 1: five billion, it should. Yeah, and you for your purposes,

452
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Speaker 1: you should be able to open the window in case

453
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Speaker 1: the roofs open so you can soak up at La

454
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Speaker 1: Air ye hook up the La smag Era. Yeah, it

455
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: could be. Maybe they'll have a smag remover inside for

456
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Speaker 1: the fans. All I know is a lot of fans

457
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Speaker 1: that can't get tickets to the Rams will go once

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Speaker 1: to see the Chargers, just to be able to see

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Speaker 1: the stadium, and they won't go back. John, what's the

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Speaker 1: next big Texan story? You think when Bill O'Brian speaks

461
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Speaker 1: at the combine, it's gonna be in less than two

462
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: weeks now, a week from Tuesday, he'll speak. Well, how

463
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: do you know he's not going to speak before that?

464
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Speaker 1: He could? He could us in that last news conference

465
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Speaker 1: when they got their moves made, of which they haven't

466
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: announced any They haven't announced them. I think they want

467
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Speaker 1: to have every t crossed and I dotted before they

468
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: an They announced everything as a group and that's pretty

469
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Speaker 1: much been an organizational thing since the beginning of time.

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Speaker 1: And I'd like to see something that they're doing that

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Speaker 1: isn't out already. But if that's if Bill wants to

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Speaker 1: wait till, then what's going to be interesting is usually

473
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: by the time you get to the combine, most coaches

474
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: have already talked about their team. It's all about the

475
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Speaker 1: draft and free agency. But in this case, I'll be

476
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Speaker 1: asking a whole lot of questions about things that have

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Speaker 1: happened in the offseason. For others are asking about the Bill,

478
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Speaker 1: about the draft and the in free agency. And so

479
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: that's why I was hoping to knock all that out here.

480
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Speaker 1: And but it'll be interesting. I'm writing a column Sunday

481
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Speaker 1: about the twenty six pick because I'd argue the I

482
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Speaker 1: guess this Landry Locker. I still think the Tunsil trade

483
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Speaker 1: and steals was a good one. We'll never know for

484
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Speaker 1: sure three or four years see what the Dolphins do

485
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Speaker 1: the pick. But I say, who Julian Davenport would have

486
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Speaker 1: been playing left tackle or somebody else? Would they have

487
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Speaker 1: been as good? Would they have made the second round

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Speaker 1: of the the playoffs with Julian Davenport left tackle. I'm kind

489
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Speaker 1: of thinking, no, no, they wouldn't if that steals either

490
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Speaker 1: and how does that affect that? And then I'm gonna

491
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Speaker 1: look at all the twenty sixth picks see what has

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Speaker 1: been done since the Texans have been in the league.

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Speaker 1: It's a really good draft for tackles, but right now,

494
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Speaker 1: at this early part of the process, there's not one

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Speaker 1: that stands out. So there's how are you at twenty

496
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Speaker 1: six is gonna get somebody as good as Tonsil? Pro

497
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Speaker 1: Football fo To said, Tonsil was rated hire coming out

498
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: old Missy tackle they've ever had, And so what would

499
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Speaker 1: you have to trade to move up to get this

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Speaker 1: left tackle you want? Who would be untested? You might

501
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: another one anyway, So that's two ones boom. So I

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00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: still think they worked out well. Now they can focus

503
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Speaker 1: on defense in this next draft and free NC. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at the Tunsil trade and who could

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Speaker 1: be available for twenty six for the Dolphins who still

506
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Speaker 1: need offensive tackle. What do you have going on on

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Speaker 1: the chronicle, I've got a column of p J. Walker.

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Speaker 1: Now he came to the Roughnecks. I've got Sunday column

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Speaker 1: on the Texans and laremy Tunsil. So thank you very

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Speaker 1: much and I will see you next Thursday. Thank you, John.

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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure to have the general on John Harris

512
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Speaker 1: coming up as we'll evaluate a position group the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: It's Texans Radio, keep it going here, Mark vandamer Texans

514
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Speaker 1: All Access. John Harris steps into the Hunday Texans Radio

515
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Speaker 1: studio now across the hall from the locker room with

516
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Speaker 1: I see more and more players, Johnny, more and more

517
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Speaker 1: players working out, coming in doing things. And I think

518
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: guys took an immediate sort of vacation. Not everybody, but

519
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: some just took a little time off, took a little breather.

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Speaker 1: And even though that conditioning date, the nine week offseason

521
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: program doesn't start till bid April. Hey, no time like

522
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: the present to get started. It's not like these guys

523
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Speaker 1: can afford to sit around and eat ice cream on

524
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Speaker 1: their couch and just you know, watch NBA and the XFL.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have to work out on a regular basis.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying they're doing everything now that they

527
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Speaker 1: will be doing in a few weeks, but they gotta

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Speaker 1: be doing some stuff. I think they had to get

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Speaker 1: away after a season. You have to get away for

530
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Speaker 1: just and I'm not saying that you've got to go

531
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Speaker 1: out of the country, you got to travel to some

532
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: vacation location, whatever, but you just have got a zone

533
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Speaker 1: out for maybe a few days, two three days, you know,

534
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: go on an eating binge, you know, eat all the

535
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: great food in Houston, drive to I don't know, drive Louisiana,

536
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: eat drag goes, oysters for three days. I don't do something.

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00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: You're getting me hungry, man, But just get away from it, absolutely,

538
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: without question, get away from it. Set a date that

539
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: you will kind of restart and then get back on it.

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Speaker 1: And I have I'm with you. I've seen more guys.

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00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: You just had lunch earlier today and I saw I

542
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: saw two three players in there. And it wasn't guys

543
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: that were that were injured that are rehabbing, at least

544
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: nothing I know of. Right. There are guys that played

545
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: all the way through the end, you know, all the

546
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: way through against Kansas City and didn't know they might

547
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: have been they might add surgery and they might be rehabbing.

548
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Speaker 1: But I didn't think so I want to come in.

549
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: Don't you think they want to come in after a while,

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00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I would think, so just to check in. I would think,

551
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: so come back to the office. Their office yet And

552
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: when you don't have anything structured going on and you

553
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: kind of do it, you your pace, your rate, then

554
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: you're like okay, and it's just you got everything up

555
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: here that you need. I've lived like that, by the way,

556
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: Like my first year as voice of the Hurricanes, I

557
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: went from being a manager and doing all the games

558
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: and everything and working i mean seventy hours a week

559
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: very often, to all I'm doing is the football game

560
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 1: and Hurricane hotline and that's it. And they were paying me,

561
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, nice money to do that. So I'd go

562
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: into the station like, hey, guys, you need anything done,

563
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, you need some help. And so eventually I

564
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: started filling in on the morning show and they were like, hey,

565
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: you can do talk shows. And they didn't even know

566
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: that really about me, and maybe I didn't either, but

567
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: so I get it. Wanted to come in and sort

568
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: of create your own structure. Hey, before we go anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: And I've talked about this with John, but the Astro's

570
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: news is huge today and we are looking at it

571
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: through a football lens. And the different kinds of things

572
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: that you could carry over from the NFL. The NFL

573
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: analogy to this would be, and I brought it up.

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Speaker 1: I think it's stealing signals from the booth to the headset.

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00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: That's the equivalent here. And what would that be like Now,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't assuming you could translate, maybe not exactly who

577
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: you're throwing the ball too, but a run versus a

578
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: pass is very good information or right, oh yeah, I

579
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: mean those kind of things, you know, a trick play,

580
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: any of those kind of things that you were able

581
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: to decipher by intercepting those signals. And and obviously the

582
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: one thing that we think about is the flake Gate

583
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: or not the flake Gate spygate with the New England Patriots,

584
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: where they were filming signals. Now they still have to

585
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: spend the time to trying to cipher those signals, but

586
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: they were filming those signals and then taking them back

587
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: to their building and doing whatever they needed to. And

588
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: I and the thing wasn't I didn't really have a

589
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: horrible problem with it. I didn't either too much. If

590
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Speaker 1: you're doing it during a game, like if you have

591
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: somebody up in your box, like a dedicated coach and

592
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: that coach is like looking at them and trying to

593
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: cipher signals, and you're trying to do it within the

594
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: worth all of the game. And I think it's fine

595
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: when you start introducing technology to help you. I think

596
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: that's where it gets to be okay. And that's what

597
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: the Astros did, That's what the Patriots did. As soon

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00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: as you use technology to aid in what you're doing,

599
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: and by using technology, I mean maybe abusing it in

600
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: some sense, abusing the use of the technology, then you

601
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: should get pop for it. And the Astros did. And

602
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: so they've lost their manager, lost their GM, and they

603
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: still got their title, and they apologize in most cases,

604
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: and now you just gotta you gotta move on. The

605
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: backlash is huge, yeah, the backlashes, and they'll be dealing

606
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: with that for a long time. I mean, people could

607
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: say they should have been punished more, and they could

608
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: debate that all day. There's so many different aspects of this,

609
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: and one of them is the old, well, everybody's doing

610
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: it in the clubhouse and I was part of the mix.

611
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: And then there's the old other teams are doing it

612
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: as well, right, and why don't we try and do

613
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: it better? We have good knowledge on that, so you

614
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: feel a certain acceptability to the whole thing. And I

615
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: get it all. And look, it's gonna be talked about

616
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: for a long time, and it's a juicy story. It's

617
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: a horrible story really as a Houston sports fan. But

618
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: around the country they are getting no sympathy at all,

619
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: and it's going to be tough for them on the

620
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: road this year with the opposing fan reaction, because I

621
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: think the Astros as hot a ticket as they might

622
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: be wherever they go, it's even hotter now. I want

623
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: to see those guys and I'm gonna give them a

624
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: piece of my mind and I see them and they're

625
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: gonna get a bunch of that. So buckle up, get ready.

626
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: There's still a super talented team and should do well,

627
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be interesting to see how they emotionally

628
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: handle this. That's a big part of this. It's a

629
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: big part of this. And I thought about this as

630
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: I was driving. My message, if I were a Dusty

631
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Baker to my team would be, you do not apologize

632
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: for winning. You do not apologize for just destroying some

633
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: guy out on the mount today. You do not apologize

634
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: for that at all, whatsoever. And you also do not

635
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: use what happened in the past as an excuse for

636
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: you doing poorly this year. You don't apologize for it.

637
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: Wins and you don't. You don't sit there and make excuses, Oh,

638
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: we're doing poorly this year because of all the backlash

639
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: we're getting. No, you invited that backlash. So if I

640
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: were a Dusty Baker, I tell them, I tell them

641
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: those two things and say, let's go out and play

642
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: ball like we always have and we'll be fine. And

643
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: they and they eventually will. Now there's gonna be a

644
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: referendum on what they are as a team. Oh, in

645
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: the April, if they get off to a slow start, well, okay,

646
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: this was expected. Or if they get off to a

647
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: hot start, well, you know, they may not be able

648
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: to keep this up, or whatever the case might be.

649
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: There's gonna be different narratives that are constructed over the

650
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: course of this season for the Astros. They're gonna have

651
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: to just weather that storm. But if I were Dusty,

652
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: I would just I would tell them, you get an

653
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: eight game winning streak, you don't apologize to anybody. Oh yeah,

654
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: you know what, God, No, you don't apologize for winning.

655
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: You don't look at you don't look at a four them. Yeah,

656
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: you go out there, you kick somebody's tail. That's what

657
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: helped the Patriots. Okay, they got caught doing whatever they did,

658
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: spy gate, and then we can talk about the flake gate.

659
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: But whatever it is, whatever it was, they kept winning anyway,

660
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: and it's sort of it didn't erase everything, but it

661
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: really helped soothe those wounds. Okay, you know a little

662
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: back team in there. All right, let's do this now,

663
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: position group evaluation. The other day we did inside linebackers

664
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: for the most part, we did some outside linebackers, but

665
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: let's just dial in directly to the offensive line right now.

666
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: As far as the kind of season they had and

667
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: what the projections are going forward, we don't know for sure.

668
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: But look, you know, Laramie's gonna be part of this

669
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: football team. You know Nick Martin's gonna be part of

670
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: this football team. You know, Titus Howard, Max Sharping, They're

671
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: gonna be part of this football team. Zach Fulton another

672
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: guy that there's gonna be a lot of focus on

673
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: this offseason and how will they improve, how will they change,

674
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: how will they change the depth? Greg mans I saw

675
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: him around the building. Great to see Greg. He's a

676
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: very useful cog in that machine, either as a backup, spots,

677
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: starter how wherever you use them. So they have a

678
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: lot of things going for But let's start with Laramie. Yeah,

679
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: Laramie to me is I thought in twenty sixteen, I

680
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: thought when he was coming out of high school, I

681
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: thought I was looking at a bona fide start left tackle.

682
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: And he has been that and then some and I

683
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: know there's been there was so much talk during the

684
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: season about the false starts and all that, and he

685
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: had some with Miami. It felt like, you know, for

686
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: some people, Oh it got worse here in Houston. I

687
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: don't know about that, but you know, you're you're learning

688
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: a different cadence, you're learning a different offense. I think

689
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: there are a lot of factors that went into it,

690
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like a second year understanding the Shawn's cadence,

691
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: how things are done, just what to be listening for.

692
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna make Laramie that much better going forward.

693
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: But as far as on the field, you protect number four,

694
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 1: Laryman Tunsel does that and then some to me, look,

695
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: David Baktier, great player. I don't think he had a

696
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: great twenty nineteen. You know, Trent Williams didn't play in

697
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Jason Peters is thirty seven years old now,

698
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth is definitely up in years. When you start

699
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: thinking about the best tackles in the game, I don't

700
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: know how far you get before you say Laramie Tunsol.

701
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: In fact, for me, I'll take Laramie Tounzol over anybody.

702
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: There might be guys as like as good. Nobody's better.

703
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: Nobody's better to me, he's definitely on that line. That's

704
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: the top tier, live question of left tackle, without without questions.

705
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: And I'm not even talking about contract anything not done

706
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: half him in your building, and he's the guy. And clearly,

707
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: you know making that acquisition has meant a great deal.

708
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: And I've always pointed this out. They were clearly better

709
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Yes, okay, they gave up your sacks.

710
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: They ran the ball well, they had Carlos Hide with

711
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: a thousand yards season. He had never done that. I mean,

712
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: you had a lot of things going for you with

713
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: that old line. I know there were some penalties, false

714
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 1: starts and things like that, things that look maybe it's

715
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: good at take an off season to clean some of

716
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: that stuff up with Laramie and what whoever else is

717
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: doing it, but buying large, I mean, you look at it.

718
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you won ten games,

719
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: could have won eleven if you you know, played your

720
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: guys in that final game and you know there you were.

721
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: You were not an offense that was top three in

722
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: the league, but you're a good offense. You know, you're

723
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: putting up points, you're putting up yards, and you're winning

724
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: football games. And that's what it's all about. Yeah, I

725
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: learned me to me and I think some of this

726
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: comes with continuity. I mean, if you think about the

727
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: changes that the offensive line has sort of gone through

728
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: since twenty twelve, and for you know, nine, ten, eleven, twelve,

729
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: that offensive line stayed the same and it's the relatively

730
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: relatively the same. It wasn't the exact same, but it

731
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: stayed the same for a while. And then there were

732
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: some changes involved and some guys came in and came out,

733
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: and we got to a point where it's like, WHOA,

734
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: all right, what do we call this? This line can

735
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: have some continuity. It's not going to be all you know, through.

736
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it is, Maybe it is, but I think

737
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: having continuity, you know you're gonna have continuity to tackle

738
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: position with Titus and with Laren and you know Nick

739
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Martin after signing the extension during the season last year,

740
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: you know he's gonna be here, and Max Sharping's here

741
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: for the long haul. Now you mentioned Zach, and I

742
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: would like to see Zach stay. Zach is He's a

743
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: guy that I think is unheralded for what he's done

744
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: for this offensive line. And he's got some heavy hands

745
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: and he hits with some powers, so they're able to

746
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 1: run the ball with Zach very very well. But at

747
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: a minimum, at a minimum, you're gonna bring back eighty

748
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: percent of your offensive line one year over next. And

749
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: people are, well, you still gave up I don't know,

750
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: forty something sacks. Well, first of all, it's a whole

751
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: lot better than sixty two. And although forty you gave

752
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: up I think ten or so in the first couple

753
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: of games of the years, you're still trying to kind

754
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: of get up, get your sea legs under you. There

755
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: were games where two three games I think, where they

756
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: gave up no sacks. So they've there's been this huge

757
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: jump from where it was in twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen,

758
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: and I think with continuity and health, another jump to

759
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty where you give up another you cut those

760
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: sacks again. Now you're in Now you're giving up you know,

761
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: twenty to twenty two sacks. And again, as I said,

762
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: when you had sixty two sacks, what if you just

763
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: cut those in half and you've got thirty one more

764
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: pass attempts that you can do something with. How many

765
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: more touchdowns is that? How many more completions is that? Well,

766
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: if you take forty and you cut that down to twenty,

767
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: now you've got another twenty completions that you can or

768
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: another twenty attempts that you can make, and maybe a

769
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: couple of more throwaways, maybe eighteen of them. There are

770
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: throws you complete at what sean comlete's at sixty to

771
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: sixty five percent. So you're talking about eleven twelve completions,

772
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: talking about close to completion a game more when you

773
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: just continue to cut those sacks and then you run

774
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: the ball as you did last year. And Ju and

775
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: I talked about this the other day. He asked, there

776
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: was gonna be a thousand yard rusher, and I said no,

777
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 1: but I did say that I feel like there will

778
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: be more rushing yards available. They just might spread it over.

779
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: So he asked if yard rusher next game next year,

780
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: and not knowing whether Carlos is coming back or not,

781
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: and I said, even if he does, I said, he

782
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: might not run for a thousand, but overall, spread out

783
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: the carry, They spread out the carriag. Watson's still going

784
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: to be a part of the running game. Absolutely. I mean,

785
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: that's that's just the NFL we live in right now,

786
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 1: and I think it's a great thing. Howard, by the way,

787
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: went out Colts game Thursday night. Yep, that was the

788
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: last one prime timer, so he didn't play against the Patriots.

789
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: He won that game. Right now, Denver Broncos game, all right,

790
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: the next two on the road, you won those. The

791
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: last game they rested guys and obviously not around for

792
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I think that not having him around.

793
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that that's the reason why they

794
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: suffered the loss against the Broncos or what happened against

795
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, but man to have him around, and look,

796
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: they got to get deeper. They know they need depth

797
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: because you are going to lose guys sometimes, but that's

798
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: gonna be big to see him in his quote sophomore

799
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: NFL season, what he can do, what Sharping can do

800
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: with that year one to year two jump. You mentioned

801
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: the jump with this line into year or two with

802
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: most of the guys back, that's gonna be big for

803
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: this unit. Well, think about how we went into training camp,

804
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: went into training camp. Here were the start Here was

805
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: the starting five as you went into training camp. It

806
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: was left tackle Matt Khalil, It was left guard Titus Howard,

807
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: it was center Nick Martin. I think Zach was at

808
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 1: right guard, and then right tackle was a Mishmasha. Guys

809
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I mean what was Sharping doing. And

810
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: he was backing up at one of the guard spots

811
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: and then bouncing the tackle and doing some of them.

812
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: Then they would they would elevate them to the ones

813
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: for and they look camp. It doesn't mean like this

814
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: was our depth charge. They're fixing up guys, And I

815
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,280
Speaker 1: know you know this. I'm saying this for the listeners

816
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: because Watson was once on the third team. So there's that.

817
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: But what my point in that is, that's how you started.

818
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: But you were bouncing Titus from one position he was

819
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: at guard, and then he moved over to the other guard.

820
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: Then he would go to tackle there in practice. Well,

821
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: now you know, okay, we don't really have to cross

822
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: train guys. You're not gonna cross train Laramie. Laramie is

823
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: your left tackle. You leave left tackle and where you go.

824
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, Max is your left guard. You don't have

825
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: to train him out of tackle if you don't want to. Now,

826
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: there might be some time where you want to move

827
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: him out there just to keep him sharp, just in case,

828
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: but you keep him at left guard. You know, a

829
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: mess with him. Nick is a center, you don't move

830
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: him anywhere. You know Zach et guard has he should

831
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: get some reps at center. He should keep that sharp

832
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: for him tightest at right tackle. You don't have to

833
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: bounce tightest from right tackle to guard back to left tackle.

834
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: You can just go right tackle left tackle in as

835
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready for the season. But the majority of

836
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: his reps are going to come on the right side.

837
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: So you don't have to cross train these guys as

838
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: much because you know now what you're going to do

839
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: with them. So they get additional reps at that position.

840
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: They get additional continuity throughout offseason and into training camp

841
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: as they go into the season. Because you think about

842
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: the season. Larrymys shows up on week one, Titus doesn't

843
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: play week one because he's dealing with the hand issue. So, yeah,

844
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: Shanshoe Henderson at right tackle, That's what it was. Seanchoe

845
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: Henderson was at right tackle. That changed to week two. Yeah,

846
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: when Titus gets in the lineup next to Laramie. And

847
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: then week three you put together the wine you think

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have going forward, and that's Laramie and sharping

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Speaker 1: Martin Fulton injuries. Oh my gosh, messing with that continuity.

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Speaker 1: But you're right, you have action going in because and

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it, if you didn't have Laramie and here

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Speaker 1: you are going into a draft and you need a tackle,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you're playing Howard at tackle and he's okay,

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Speaker 1: but maybe you're thinking we really need a world beater there,

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Speaker 1: and maybe he is, maybe isn't. But because I know

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Speaker 1: when we saw him get drafted, we thought, well, that's

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Speaker 1: your tackle, right, He's gonna be a tackle, right, is

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Speaker 1: he the future? Yes? But now he's a guard and

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Speaker 1: Laramie is a tackle on the left side, and it's

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Speaker 1: a beautiful thing, all right, Johnny, thanks a lot, mark,

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Speaker 1: thank you. That's gonna do it for the program tonight.

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Speaker 1: We covered a lot of ground, as my buddy rich

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Speaker 1: Lord used to say, and John McClain great to have

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Speaker 1: him on earlier. This is gonna be podcast wherever you

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Speaker 1: get fine podcasts, wherever fine podcasts are available. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back tomorrow night. Johnny's gonna host and we're gonna dive

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Speaker 1: deep in a whole bunch of things. So looking forward

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Speaker 1: to that. Thanks for listening. Go Texans.