Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, it's your boy. X write is Strange
Speaker 1: music in the building. Check me out on the Bootleg
Speaker 1: cav podcast Bootleg cap Podcast. Man Special guests in here.
Speaker 2: After begging for him to come on the show for
Speaker 2: four fucking years, it feels like every time I see
Speaker 2: this guy at an event, I'd be like, YEO, what
Speaker 2: the fuck? Man? What the fuck?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you, I got you, I got you. Well,
Speaker 2: he's finally here. X Rated is here.
Speaker 1: Hey, man, I appreciate you. I always wanted to. I
Speaker 1: wanted to come when.
Speaker 3: I was off parole.
Speaker 1: That was a big deal for me, and also I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I had some product lined up.
Speaker 1: I knew what I was working on, I knew what
Speaker 1: my mission was, and I still was trying to figure
Speaker 1: it out. Honestly, I viewed you as you were, you
Speaker 1: on my list your goals, so I just was like, man,
Speaker 1: I have to I'm not ready. I'm not ready. I'm
Speaker 1: not ready. And then bowl here you are and it's
Speaker 1: organic and it's dope.
Speaker 2: First of all, when did you get off probation or
Speaker 2: parole or whatever.
Speaker 1: I got off parole on March first, and then half
Speaker 1: a million dollar video with Tech nine. We stopped to
Speaker 1: eat lunch and I got my phone checking, you know,
Speaker 1: because we had our phone city side, and I got
Speaker 1: an email while I was holding the phone. I click
Speaker 1: on it and it's like my po like, hey man,
Speaker 1: congratulations you offer life for parole. Because I was on
Speaker 1: life parole, wasn't on smoke some weed and they overcrowded.
Speaker 1: They don't got nowhere to put you parole, life parole.
Speaker 1: I was on life for parol. So when I got out,
Speaker 1: I was still a lifer, and you're still a lifeer
Speaker 1: during parole. So you run around light that cop having
Speaker 1: a bad morning. You go right back to prison with
Speaker 1: a life sentence as a lifer, and they'll see you
Speaker 1: when they want to to figure out whether or not
Speaker 1: you should be released or kept. Yeah, so that was
Speaker 1: the experience I was having, Damn. Yeah. So March first,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, I got off and I kind of
Speaker 1: you know, turned in my album. Had to figure out
Speaker 1: now I could live where I want to live, had
Speaker 1: to figure that out, get situated, get an album out
Speaker 1: the way that just kind of let me wrap this
Speaker 1: up real quick. And so this album is kind of
Speaker 1: more of a deliberate result of those outcomes and being free. Yo.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because like when I was growing up as
Speaker 2: a young kid, I remember discovering you through Brother Lynch,
Speaker 2: so I was a season of the Sickness is like
Speaker 2: one of my favorite albums ever. Shout to Brother Lynch,
Speaker 2: fucking classic album. Indeed, I've played it on the podcast
Speaker 2: for many people. I'm like, you don't understand. There was
Speaker 2: this guy who used to talk about eating babies when
Speaker 2: I was a kid, and I believe them, and they
Speaker 2: used to freak me the fuck out. Yeah, I'd be
Speaker 2: listening to Brother Lynch by playing Resident Evil just fucked
Speaker 2: up childhood, you know what I mean, Yeah, fucking killing
Speaker 2: zombies while this dude is talking about fucking killing babies.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Anyway, shot to Brother Lynch. He's a legend pioneer of
Speaker 2: horrorcore hip hop too. But like I dived into like
Speaker 2: what you were doing, and then like me and my
Speaker 2: homie Rams, this used to just trip out. How this
Speaker 2: fool was like in prison recording fucking whole albums from
Speaker 2: the pen and they were dope as fussed over the phone.
Speaker 2: So you got locked up when you were seventeen, I did.
Speaker 2: Now you were already signed the black market. Yeah, as
Speaker 2: a juvenile. So what was the timeline between you signing
Speaker 2: your record deal and you going to prison?
Speaker 3: Okay? So I ended up.
Speaker 1: I was the first artist ever for black Market Records.
Speaker 3: So I ended up.
Speaker 1: Me and my homeboy, young Meek from the Gardens, Big Meek.
Speaker 1: We met up with Cedric, and then Meek and Cedric
Speaker 1: came up with a plan. Cedric had black Market Records
Speaker 1: in his pocket, in his brain, and Meek had the
Speaker 1: Bird You know what I mean. This is nineteen ninety one, Okay,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, so I already have my niggas in
Speaker 1: black ep out, me Lynch and six already have the
Speaker 1: Endangered Species project that kind of became Nigga Deep, I believe.
Speaker 1: And then we started linking up with Cedric, me and
Speaker 1: Meek and and that's how we ended up turning in
Speaker 1: Psychoactive in like December of ninety one.
Speaker 2: And then how much further after that was you catching
Speaker 2: your case and having to go sit down for two months?
Speaker 2: Two months?
Speaker 3: I was arrested maybe ninety days later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a wild set of summers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's crazy because we hear about like
Speaker 2: Sack and how intense the violence is in Sacramento like now,
Speaker 2: and I feel like it's obviously guys like Mazi are
Speaker 2: huge coming out of the city. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: guys DP about the bag and.
Speaker 1: Lavish.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of dope shit coming out of sack Nty.
Speaker 2: Yeah ce bow see Bowl a legend for sure, fucking
Speaker 2: independent legend for yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: But was it all because like obviously for people who
Speaker 2: don't know, like you went to prison for it was
Speaker 2: like a gang related homicide, right it was.
Speaker 1: I was given gang relay homicide, first degree premeditated murdering
Speaker 1: use of a firearm. That's what I got. Felt good to.
Speaker 2: Ye, Like, how crazy was the gang seen in Sacramento
Speaker 2: in the late eighties early nineties.
Speaker 1: It was wild. It was very intense that the mid eighties.
Speaker 1: It was just people were representing what they were representing.
Speaker 1: My neighborhood got founded in the late seventies early eighties
Speaker 1: as a result of Compton Crips coming to South Sacramento
Speaker 1: to sell dope in our neighborhood, Nutty Blocks primarily, so
Speaker 1: the Garden Block is really a result of our ancestors
Speaker 1: being the Nutty Block Compton Cryps and some of the
Speaker 1: Santana blocks. So Garden Block came from that, among other things.
Speaker 1: I got a founding father from Garden Block here with me,
Speaker 1: Big Dooney. But we ended up seeing where people was
Speaker 1: just fighting. You know, our neighborhoods is all bloods and crips.
Speaker 1: We in a box where and Northerners were in a box.
Speaker 1: Franklin Boulevard, Medoview Road, Florin Road in Freeport.
Speaker 3: That's kind of our box.
Speaker 1: That would be the gardens a little bit above Franklin,
Speaker 1: though they Franklin is Franklin, but everything above it is
Speaker 1: the gardens. And you got the Metaview bloods in that box,
Speaker 1: you got the twenty nine Street cribs, twenty fourth Street,
Speaker 1: twenty first Street, who all together are nine one four
Speaker 1: Garden Block cribs. And so in the beginning, in that
Speaker 1: mid period, it was just a little bit of fighting
Speaker 1: because even the bloods are the homies. You know, Garden
Speaker 1: Block existed before Metaview did. Bloods wise, the Medaview always existed,
Speaker 1: like I'm from Metable, we all from Metaview, but the
Speaker 1: Metaview bloods kind of got born out of homies beating
Speaker 1: up people and been getting beat up by people who
Speaker 1: were technically homies. So the violence created, you know, where
Speaker 1: they started standing on their own ten They from the
Speaker 1: gardens too. They g two. It ain't no holes out there.
Speaker 1: They really with the shit. And so somebody get clapped,
Speaker 1: you know, and I tipped all the dominoes in the outside.
Speaker 1: I can't speak for olk Park or they'll pass o heist.
Speaker 1: That ain't I right. But they was with the shit
Speaker 1: as well, but specifically on the South Side. You know,
Speaker 1: in the late eighties, we had a homie get you know,
Speaker 1: we got one that got smacked and then now somebody
Speaker 1: else gets shmacked over there, and it just turned into
Speaker 1: trading bodies crazy and that's the season of the sickness
Speaker 1: was born from that.
Speaker 2: Wild and so you catch that charge at seventeen seventeen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're a kid man. I am a kid man,
Speaker 1: just a baby. Now, looking back on that, I'm very
Speaker 1: empathetic to that little dude and everybody that was with me,
Speaker 1: everybody that all of us was babies. Were just some babies, man.
Speaker 1: This guy, the kids.
Speaker 2: It's so wild too because the thing like to where
Speaker 2: we are now and like you know, the wires heu
Speaker 2: trial and how like artists are having their lyrics use
Speaker 2: against them actively. They used your album against you in court.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, they used the lyrics to my song Still Shooting,
Speaker 1: which has a sample from Ultra Violet Dreams from Cypress
Speaker 1: Hill in it. You know, so it's dope to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to be real the other day. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I had made Psychoactive. Ironically, I'm being executive produced by
Speaker 1: a Medavie Blood who happens to be Siebo's little brother,
Speaker 1: Big Miko Yure, and he's there when I record that song.
Speaker 1: I recorded Still Shooting at the studio would have met
Speaker 1: of you Blood in December of nineteen ninety one, and
Speaker 1: they turn around by the summer of ninety two saying
Speaker 1: this song was about this incident that occurred ninety days afterward,
Speaker 1: and so they switched the title to this song. Clear that.
Speaker 2: Was the guy who lost his life from that set
Speaker 2: he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it actually was a woman, a woman a prominent
Speaker 1: figure in our community and the mother of people who
Speaker 1: you know those There was some disdaining and go alled
Speaker 1: so her children were not being viewed favorably on our side,
Speaker 1: and they didn't view us favorably. They was with the
Speaker 1: shit you know what I mean, and they just they
Speaker 1: was active, and so they take my song and say
Speaker 1: it's about this incident that it had nothing to do with.
Speaker 1: They changed the name to the Murder and call it
Speaker 1: the murder, even though that was the intro with the
Speaker 1: pizza man thing with me and brother Lynchon where we
Speaker 1: pull up, pretend to be the pizza man, dude open
Speaker 1: the door with gunning down. That's the murder. The song
Speaker 1: is called still Shooting. So they changed the name of
Speaker 1: the song to fit the narrative. Quote my lyrics broken
Speaker 1: up so that it says what they wanted to say
Speaker 1: a lot of context. Write those stories for the Sacramento
Speaker 1: b tell those stories on channel on ABC NBC, all
Speaker 1: of them, and then that gets picked up by the AP,
Speaker 1: and then hip hop journalism repeated those stories instead of
Speaker 1: writing it on like my home field. Advantage of hip
Speaker 1: hop like now, someone like you would have dug in it.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't have let that happen to me. You would
Speaker 1: hope a live wouldn't have let that happened to me.
Speaker 1: It would have been some people at Elliott Wilson who
Speaker 1: would have disagreed with that. Ironically, Elliott could have disagreed
Speaker 1: with it, then I think and didn't.
Speaker 2: Maybe, yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 2: Ellie was doing in ninety one. He might have entered
Speaker 2: something I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he might not have had the power in ninety
Speaker 1: one ninety two. That's true. But what I do say
Speaker 1: is that hip hop media did not tell the story themselves.
Speaker 1: They just repeated the story that originated from conservative news
Speaker 1: media in Sacramento, which is a republic Republican dominated environment
Speaker 1: at the time, it was an anti crime environment. It
Speaker 1: was a it was a different culture. And Sacramento also
Speaker 1: used me in a sensational way to have a viral story,
Speaker 1: what we would call a viral story. One of the
Speaker 1: first times there was something that Sack was on the
Speaker 1: map for that they could be proud for. Sack always
Speaker 1: been the little brother in California. Sure, and so you
Speaker 1: had the Doro, THEA Shuentez thing that gave Sack got
Speaker 1: his beak wet with national entertainment true crime kind of shit,
Speaker 1: and I think they got thirsty. And so when my
Speaker 1: thing happened, they sold that story and used it. It
Speaker 1: was ratings, it was you know, it sold papers, and
Speaker 1: that's what they did. They told they tore up a
Speaker 1: seventeen year old child.
Speaker 2: That shit's crazy. Yeah, And that was also kind of
Speaker 2: like I feel like the era of like the demonization
Speaker 2: of hip hop because you got to think between like
Speaker 2: the two Lave Cruise ship n w A was a
Speaker 2: little before that, and just like there were so many
Speaker 2: politicians stopping on CDs, Piper Gore and uh, what's the
Speaker 2: lady from l A The lords lawis Tucker.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was like there was like this real like anti
Speaker 2: hip hop agenda like on really to mo like the
Speaker 2: left too, Like it was a lot of democrats.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of it, A lot of
Speaker 1: it was coming from that. It was both sides, both
Speaker 1: sides this ship. Yeah, the FBI on n WA for
Speaker 1: fuck the Police, Tipper Gore and all of them on
Speaker 1: two Live Crew. Here they come with band in the USA,
Speaker 1: the ghetto boys, Jay Prince coming under attack, so they
Speaker 1: got to make we can't be stopped, you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: Time Warner turning on Ice Tea crazy. It was a
Speaker 1: lot in this era. That's what I was talking about
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson and what he was going through. But I'll
Speaker 1: talking about now that entering that stage of Tupac, the
Speaker 1: demonization of Tupac and uh or the selling of his
Speaker 1: sensational story. It's kind of what they were doing. And
Speaker 1: so you had oj occurring. It was it was a
Speaker 1: rough time in this to be a part of the
Speaker 1: culture at the time.
Speaker 2: What was your family like home like like like life
Speaker 2: like at home? Obviously being seventeen, rapping, being act in
Speaker 2: the streets with your parents around like so.
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 3: Earlier.
Speaker 1: I had my grandmother, Miss Maxine, you know Tammas Sharner
Speaker 1: and Florn Road in South Sacramento. You know, my family
Speaker 1: all in the gardens Castelinda, Castelinda in twenty fourth Street,
Speaker 1: Nedra Court, And so that period in my life was
Speaker 1: beautiful up until my grandmother passed and she kind of
Speaker 1: was the glue to health the family together. And when
Speaker 1: she passed away leadership, you know, who's gonna take over,
Speaker 1: who's that next person? There wasn't really anybody in position.
Speaker 1: The people who were in position, like my mom, were
Speaker 1: in griev they were grieving. And so while they were grieving,
Speaker 1: I went outside and so I'm with my big cousins
Speaker 1: Artie Barnes AJ from twenty fourth Street, you know, dun
Speaker 1: play I'm with my family members, and so yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of supervision. My father's from Pritchard, Alabama.
Speaker 1: He met my mama in Sacramento. My uncle went to
Speaker 1: my uncle Bodic's house across from Oak Park Community Center
Speaker 1: back in the day, and so my cousin, Jimmy broad
Speaker 1: Knat lived right across from the Oak Park Community Center,
Speaker 1: and my mom would always be over there with my aunt,
Speaker 1: my grandmother's sister, and next door was my father's uncle,
Speaker 1: and that's how they linked up. And you know, here
Speaker 1: I am, but he goes home to Alabama. He was
Speaker 1: just visiting family, and so I didn't really have a
Speaker 1: two parent home. I probably spent a total of three
Speaker 1: or four years with my father out of my entire life,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's brutal. It's brutal.
Speaker 1: And what I learned from him in that period of
Speaker 1: time definitely is it has a lot to do with
Speaker 1: me being alive, you know what I mean. He didn't
Speaker 1: teach me a lot with his words, but observing the
Speaker 1: way he moved, he strapped up. You know, he got
Speaker 1: his he was with the bullshit right all of it.
Speaker 1: He owned his club, he was moving he had vendor machines.
Speaker 1: He was grinding. I remember I went to Alabama. My
Speaker 1: pops takes me on the trip to Pensacola. We get
Speaker 1: some fireworks. I think, you know, it's whatever. And I
Speaker 1: had a trip with my dad. We go to the beach,
Speaker 1: he meet up with some people. They put the fireworks
Speaker 1: in the trunk. We draw it back and then I
Speaker 1: can't use these specific fireworks, right, And then I got
Speaker 1: the other fireworks and shit. And then I see my
Speaker 1: pups was busting the bitches down and entering out all
Speaker 1: of the fireworks, you know, and he and there cooking
Speaker 1: and cleaning up and doing his thing. And so my
Speaker 1: pops had you know, I went with my pops on
Speaker 1: the on the pick up mission, and my pops was running,
Speaker 1: he was doing him. And so it wasn't unusual for
Speaker 1: me to see him cooking up in there and counting
Speaker 1: his money and doing his thing, and you know, being
Speaker 1: on ten tos, and how he communicated with his brothers,
Speaker 1: how he communicated with his friends. And so he didn't
Speaker 1: teach me a lot deliberately, but I saw a lot
Speaker 1: that later on. You kept me alive. Yeah, So I'm
Speaker 1: grateful to my father may rest in peace. And I
Speaker 1: feel like he didn't know what the fuck to do
Speaker 1: with the child. He didn't know what to do with
Speaker 1: no baby. And you know, I feel that way with
Speaker 1: my mother. My mother braised this the way she was raised,
Speaker 1: and that included teaching us a lot encyclopedias, dictionaries, puzzles,
Speaker 1: mind games. She had a lot of that type of
Speaker 1: stuff in in psychological games you could play the strength
Speaker 1: in your perspective. And but she wasn't too much that
Speaker 1: I needed male leadership in my life. And once we
Speaker 1: hit a certain age were that was it. You know,
Speaker 1: back then sixteen you I'm running around doing me wasn't
Speaker 1: no discipline at all, right, And so yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of support.
Speaker 2: Well I was going to ask you, like, you find
Speaker 2: out you're going to prison for life? Yeah, as a kid, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's got to be like your whole entire soul just
Speaker 2: gets snatched from your body.
Speaker 3: Like not really, man, Like, how did I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, like, because you somehow turned that into like the
Speaker 2: perseverance of like having like a semi successful, like i
Speaker 2: mean very successful rap career while being in prison, which
Speaker 2: is very I mean, yeah, like, like how do you
Speaker 2: make that transition from being a kid to thinking maybe
Speaker 2: your life is over, and then you know your music
Speaker 2: career is just beginning in some sorts, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I think you hitting it right on the head, man.
Speaker 1: I I think the thing that kept me from feeling
Speaker 1: like my life was over that I lived for the music.
Speaker 1: Hip hop became everything to me. They couldn't take that
Speaker 1: I can write a dope ran, I can still be dope,
Speaker 1: and so that mattered to me to just be dope.
Speaker 1: And because I was just focused on that, I had
Speaker 1: so much material that when these opportunities presented themselves, Like
Speaker 1: the first thing I did was the twenty four deep
Speaker 1: with brother Lynch and Lynch. I was calling Lynch from
Speaker 1: juvenile hall and he was like, man, I got this song.
Speaker 1: I want you to record your part, and he did
Speaker 1: it on his answering machine. So I'm around the corner
Speaker 1: at the pay I got the photies and the thank
Speaker 1: I did that over the phone, and so that kind
Speaker 1: of even while I'm facing the death penalty at the time,
Speaker 1: they're in a fight. Am I being remanded to adult
Speaker 1: court to be tried and or am I going to
Speaker 1: juvenile court? I get remanded to adult court, then the
Speaker 1: fight is death penalty, capital.
Speaker 3: Punishment or indeterminate sentence.
Speaker 1: Fight that beat the death penalty thing, and then now
Speaker 1: it's okay, these are your charges and you get to
Speaker 1: thirty one a life. I know that twenty five of
Speaker 1: life is what I'm dealing with. I'm aware, like that's
Speaker 1: my maximum outcome. And so even then, even being aware
Speaker 1: of that, like I technically just survived that they would
Speaker 1: have liked to have killed me if they could have
Speaker 1: found me guilty and give me given me the death penalty,
Speaker 1: they would have It's just the law and the judge's
Speaker 1: interpretation of the law. He decided not to allow that
Speaker 1: to occur because I was seventeen years old. But so
Speaker 1: I technically am also feeling like I just beat death
Speaker 1: in a way.
Speaker 2: So it's like a small victory.
Speaker 1: It was a small victory, and I'm not fully capable
Speaker 1: of dealing with the horror this shit, right, you know,
Speaker 1: missus Harris, and what happened in our community, how people
Speaker 1: were responding to it, How I'm being celebrated on one
Speaker 1: side for being g demonaged on another side for being evil, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and hated by rivals who
Speaker 1: feel like you know, they have to. They had to
Speaker 1: deal with that. That's just what you do. It's retaliation
Speaker 1: as a must. That's a part of the game. So
Speaker 1: I got all of this as a seventeen year old
Speaker 1: child that I got to deal with when I walk
Speaker 1: out of my cell and how am I projecting myself?
Speaker 1: So you have a mixture of shame, pride, ego, all
Speaker 1: this stuff active at the same time, and want my
Speaker 1: homeboys like, Okay. The safest place to go as a
Speaker 1: child was deeper into the place that didn't feel like
Speaker 1: I did nothing wrong, didn't feel like.
Speaker 3: There was another It was what it was.
Speaker 1: So it was a safe place to hang out for
Speaker 1: a minute until I got old enough to start reconciling.
Speaker 1: Brain development catching up and I had to start dealing
Speaker 1: with ugly truths within myself, and I started bleeding into
Speaker 1: my lyrics because that was the safest place for me
Speaker 1: to go. I was always honest in in my lyrics
Speaker 1: or for a while something.
Speaker 2: Early on you like embraced, like you said the cybe
Speaker 2: where you were like sell braided, I guess I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, being ax rated, Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And Gordon Block crib ax rated from twenty fourth Street.
Speaker 1: That was a badge of It was like a bulletproof
Speaker 1: vest for me to put on to protect me from
Speaker 1: even my own thoughts, my opinions, or other outside opinions
Speaker 1: of me. I just stood on that to not allow
Speaker 1: none of the ugly stuff to penetrate my spirit, and
Speaker 1: I focused on working with Lynch on twenty four Deep
Speaker 1: made me like, damn, maybe I'll can get some shit done.
Speaker 1: And so I'm writing like a motherfucker. I transferred to
Speaker 1: the county jail and I run into mac Dre, and
Speaker 1: mac Dre and Kyrie had for years this man. I
Speaker 1: think it was like somewhere in the window in ninety three,
Speaker 1: ninety four. So mac Dre Sacramento is the hub for
Speaker 1: federal crimes. So if you committed, if you got a
Speaker 1: federal case, you're gonna get sent to the Sacramento County
Speaker 1: Jail to go to court because they handle it. So
Speaker 1: mac Dre Twenny.
Speaker 2: Fed cases in like northern California. They would go to
Speaker 2: jail and sack.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I believe not even just Northern California period. I mean
Speaker 1: it's a capital too, right, Yeah, So like the unibomber
Speaker 1: was housed in the Sacramento County Jail. Like, was my
Speaker 1: neighbor going to going to court for his for his case?
Speaker 1: You ever talked to him?
Speaker 3: Talking to him was weird?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I said, I said, hello, you know I'm a dumb ass.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So did he ever like break down his manifesto to you?
Speaker 1: Like? No? No, I didn't get the top it up
Speaker 1: with him like that. We was in four hunter poss.
Speaker 2: How to interview that motherfucker out of it? Like, Yo,
Speaker 2: so what's going on?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Nowadays I definitely would have.
Speaker 2: Wanted to know maybe we had had an offier podcast.
Speaker 1: I reached out to our yell daddy and shit, he
Speaker 1: was in his South in mind. But he was a
Speaker 1: very meek dude, and he talked about fame, notoriety, what
Speaker 1: they call not the rod. Judges used to come and
Speaker 1: hang out at his door with their clerks and talk
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: And you know, that dude was allegedly brilliant, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: No, he I mean, by all accounts, he was a
Speaker 2: smart guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a very you can be so smart
Speaker 1: it could you could you get a little crazy? And
Speaker 1: so he was a very smart motherfucker. And the judges,
Speaker 1: all of them. They used to do tours and come
Speaker 1: by and you know, they're look at myself, here's the
Speaker 1: rapper X righted and they would go around a little
Speaker 1: bit and it's the fucking unibomer.
Speaker 3: I'll be looking out my door and.
Speaker 1: It just be a pack of people sitting in front
Speaker 1: of in front of itself. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, it's crazy anyway.
Speaker 3: Mac Dre so Mac Dre ninety three, ninety four ish.
Speaker 1: Uh, they have recorded the live from Presno County Jail
Speaker 1: over the phone him and I believe Kyrie from Young
Speaker 1: Black Brother. So that Young Black Brother at the time,
Speaker 1: and I know he had done some stuff on mac
Speaker 1: Mal's stuff too, and so he was like everybody knew
Speaker 1: about twenty four Deep at the time. So it was like, yo,
Speaker 1: he gave me the game. This is how we did it,
Speaker 1: Like how did you do it? I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I just recorded it on an answer machine. He was like, nah,
Speaker 1: we did the phones and we ran the line into
Speaker 1: the board and did it directly through that. And I
Speaker 1: was like, damn. So I took that game and gave
Speaker 1: it to say and then talked to John Bots from
Speaker 1: Enharmonic Studios and Sack and uh, so they took a
Speaker 1: phone apart, soldered the wires to a mic plug, plugged
Speaker 1: it directly into the board. So when I called the phone,
Speaker 1: it was going straight into the board. And then they
Speaker 1: took another part of the phone apart, soldered the wires
Speaker 1: and plugged it in, so the audio was going straight
Speaker 1: into that so you could hear the beat on a
Speaker 1: different phone.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 1: So I had to call a phone right here and
Speaker 1: spit the rhyme.
Speaker 2: Spitting here while listening to the beating the other.
Speaker 1: One and listening to the beating the other one. And
Speaker 1: that's how I recorded excessist.
Speaker 2: What we're like. People who were also on the phone
Speaker 2: like looking at you, like, yeah, this fool is fucking rapping,
Speaker 2: Like nah.
Speaker 1: Our County jail was separated, you know. The crips was
Speaker 1: on the west side, the blood's on the east side.
Speaker 1: I think at the time was in three hundred pod.
Speaker 1: The pols are separated by a severity of crime at
Speaker 1: the time. So if you child support tickets, you go
Speaker 1: to one hundred pod. If you got a little bit
Speaker 1: of violence but nobody has who stitches, you go to
Speaker 1: two hundred pod. If you had if somebody somebody had
Speaker 1: Suture Stitches, Dead Funerals, three hundred pod.
Speaker 3: And so I'm in this pod and it's start.
Speaker 1: I got the homies out here and I'm doing some
Speaker 1: shit that people. I'm in Sacramento. I'm x rated in Sacramento,
Speaker 1: deal recording a saw. So there's motherfucker's in the day
Speaker 1: room rooting for this. Yeah, the white Boy's rooting for this.
Speaker 1: The Mexicans is rooting for this, The Niggas is root
Speaker 1: This is a victory for the criminals. We went and
Speaker 1: the police is rooting for this. They didn't bump Psychoactive.
Speaker 1: They done bumped twenty four deep. They don't bumped.
Speaker 2: But you had cops who were like fucking with you,
Speaker 2: like the fans.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in Sacramento. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: at home. Yeah, imagine they threw one of us in
Speaker 1: the county to come on, man, I'm in.
Speaker 2: The carrying the recording. Yeah, I'm doing the whole album
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Like I ain't even got to tell them that because
Speaker 1: they it's the wild Wild West in the tank. So
Speaker 1: I'm in the tank doing me and and they can
Speaker 1: hear it, but also can't legally stop it. So when
Speaker 1: people were like why did y'all allow him to do it?
Speaker 1: They like, he's not convicted of a crime. He has
Speaker 1: the right to use the phone. We don't tell anybody
Speaker 1: else not to use the phone. So if he commits
Speaker 1: a crime on the phone, then we'll investigate that crime.
Speaker 1: But in terms of rapping on the phone, it's not illegal.
Speaker 1: It's not illegal for him to do that. So their
Speaker 1: spokesperson is in the Sacramento be explaining to people why
Speaker 1: they didn't stop it because they could, they weren't legally
Speaker 1: able to stop it. I could use my phone time
Speaker 1: to do whatever, and in there there wasn't a list
Speaker 1: to sign up, so you could be on the phone
Speaker 1: for seven hours if nobody cared, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And nobody cared, nobody could care. That was when them
Speaker 1: get your ass whooped over this. We were recording these
Speaker 1: songs the homies is tripping and it ain't wasn't the
Speaker 1: only ones it was at victory for the criminals.
Speaker 2: How many projects did you drop that you recorded in
Speaker 2: while while incarcerated, just so people have an.
Speaker 1: Idea, Oh man, so exorcists and we do six hundred
Speaker 1: and forty thousand copies of that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like in like maybe six months Billboard SpLD Wow, incarcerated
Speaker 1: God while incarcerated without a music video, without a music video,
Speaker 1: want to get high your certified classic mac.
Speaker 2: Right back in the day, it was like the video
Speaker 2: was very important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no music videos and still gold. Anyway, six months
Speaker 1: Playboy Magazine, all that shit, And so I did Exorcists.
Speaker 3: I go to the pen.
Speaker 1: I remember, I think McGinnis, I think the spokesperson for
Speaker 1: the prison system, they were asking them before I got there,
Speaker 1: like X Rated just recorded Extorsists in the Sacramento County
Speaker 1: jail and he's on his way to you. He's been convicted.
Speaker 1: How were you guys planning to stop him from recording
Speaker 1: music over the phone? And they had all these reasons,
Speaker 1: and they had the beats to beat. They put all
Speaker 1: this shit on the phones, and dude, you are there,
Speaker 1: are on the call with the blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: so that I wouldn't be able to successfully do it.
Speaker 1: And so I got there and I was able to
Speaker 1: get some more you know, get some equipment in there,
Speaker 1: spend money again. Cops are fans, the laundry workers are fans,
Speaker 1: the kitchen workers are fans. I got allies in this bitch. Yo.
Speaker 1: The hummy been here for twenty years, this nigga that
Speaker 1: knocked this motherfucker over here to work in the library.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. I'm putting a whole studio
Speaker 1: on the yard if I want to, I'm doing whatever
Speaker 1: I want to do. I didn't know that I was
Speaker 1: going to be like that, but I aged into it
Speaker 1: and lived into it. And so here comes Unforgiven. So
Speaker 1: you got extracists, unforgiven, nefarious, and think about the period
Speaker 1: of time ninety six I dropped Exorcists, Run it up,
Speaker 1: I take up it takes I think ninety seven, ninety eight,
Speaker 1: Me and boat work until my casket drops. I'm number
Speaker 1: three on Billboard, behind MARIOH. Carrey and Brian McKnight. Boom,
Speaker 1: Here Comes Unforgiving. I'm fourteen on the heat Seekers chart Billboard.
Speaker 3: Boom.
Speaker 1: That's nineteen ninety nine, maybe eleventh ninety nine. February Boom,
Speaker 1: I'm back on Billboard charts with the Nefarious album, and.
Speaker 3: Then November Boom.
Speaker 1: I'm back on bill Board charts, one hundred thousand copies
Speaker 1: first week on Vengeance's Mind Boom. February I'm back with
Speaker 1: Initiation I'm back up on the Billboard charts again, I'm
Speaker 1: move and and all that's happening while I was incarcerated.
Speaker 2: So I think it's so you had like a like
Speaker 2: you had like a like a like a studio ish setup.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, repeated, like would you have? I had all
Speaker 1: kind of shit. I started off with just a mini dishrecorder.
Speaker 1: Then I would try and get something to have multiple
Speaker 1: tracks on it. Eventually, and then I started finding out
Speaker 1: about apps, and so I started getting phones and downloading
Speaker 1: apps that gave me four tracks and shit, and plugging
Speaker 1: in and recording on little laugh mics and shit like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, talk show microphones and sending
Speaker 1: that shit home and letting them clean it up.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I had. I had adapt before I had
Speaker 1: a mini disrecorder or an R seven.
Speaker 2: And they didn't care that you had all that in yourself.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, they cared. But the problem isn't that contraband.
Speaker 1: It is contraband. But this is the problem if you
Speaker 1: think about and I had a lot of issues because
Speaker 1: of this, But if you look at the rules, the
Speaker 1: CCR title fifteen and here comes X rated in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six, who the fuck recorded a song and the
Speaker 1: cell before right, whoever had a cell phone? And they
Speaker 1: sell before right, So there's no rule against this shit.
Speaker 2: Because it's almost like new technology.
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: That's like that's making a point of reference. Yeah, these
Speaker 1: are the rules related to UFOs and how they have
Speaker 1: to fly. It's like where are they, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Where we're gonna make a rule for some
Speaker 1: shit that we don't even know if it exists or not.
Speaker 1: So I'm getting caught. The niggas is telling and speculating,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If you a rapper on
Speaker 1: the yard, you don't want to be jay z right,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be Tupac, you want to be
Speaker 1: x rated, you want to I'm the one who's done it,
Speaker 1: so they look, I said a standard, and so people
Speaker 1: was talking about me a lot. So my cell get hit,
Speaker 1: I get busted with a phone, I get busted with
Speaker 1: a recorder that the cop thinks he got him. You
Speaker 1: know I had I remember one time I had a
Speaker 1: lighter in mysel. Well, the cop finds the lighter throws
Speaker 1: that away with all the garbage. He wrote it on
Speaker 1: the slip of stuff though that he took from me,
Speaker 1: but he threw it away. The homies now everybody know,
Speaker 1: they get the trash is gone. The police then win
Speaker 1: did what they had to do. He looks up the
Speaker 1: rules and tries to figure out what to write me
Speaker 1: up for in three thousand and six c contraband possession.
Speaker 1: The contra band was all he could come up with,
Speaker 1: which was like two weeks loss of yard. Just boys,
Speaker 1: boys being bad boys. Just slap on the wrist and
Speaker 1: send me back to the yard. But when they caught me,
Speaker 1: they thought they had me. They thought we're gonna put
Speaker 1: him under the prison. This is a shoe turn. We
Speaker 1: got him and it was a three tag. I would
Speaker 1: have got in more trouble if he wrote me up
Speaker 1: for that lighter. That lighter was a three year shoe term.
Speaker 1: He could have sent me to Corkoran. He could have
Speaker 1: sent me the Pelican based shoe if he wrote me
Speaker 1: up for that lighter, because it's a caustic substance and
Speaker 1: explosive device according to that rug. Yeah, so he threw
Speaker 1: away the way and wrote me up for some shit
Speaker 1: that didn't exist, and just they were mad. They were
Speaker 1: big mad, And so I get hit with the son
Speaker 1: of Sam lawsuit me O J. Charles Manson. They hit
Speaker 1: us all with the Son of Sam lawsuit?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: Just?
Speaker 2: People don't know.
Speaker 1: So the Sam lawsuit is to prevent an inmate from
Speaker 1: profiting from the notoriety they received as a result of
Speaker 1: their crime. I think it started in New York with
Speaker 1: the Son of Sam, who I guess was getting paid
Speaker 1: to do interviews people writing books.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He became a millionaire as a results.
Speaker 2: I just saw Whack One was talking about that with
Speaker 2: the KFD thing, because I think he was trying to
Speaker 2: help get keffd out and they were trying to bring
Speaker 2: the Son of Sam thing up. And he's like, well,
Speaker 2: they haven't convicted him yet, so technically, you know, he's
Speaker 2: not guilty of anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, California struck it down, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: KEFD if that'll apply to him. They arrested him in Nevada,
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure what the laws are. But the
Speaker 1: California Supreme Court struck it down, and so you could
Speaker 1: so you were safe. So now you can ain't take
Speaker 1: my money. There's no rule against what I'm doing. And
Speaker 1: then even as they're trying to figure out how to
Speaker 1: implement those rules takes two or three years years while
Speaker 1: you're running it. They got to go through the Assembly bill.
Speaker 1: It got to be agreed we do the Senate Congress
Speaker 1: signed by a governor in order to change these rules.
Speaker 1: So I got this window where from nineteen ninety six
Speaker 1: to two thousand and two, I'm just whipping the asses
Speaker 1: and it ain't nothing they could do to stop it,
Speaker 1: and so I did. I ended up having a lot
Speaker 1: of angry police man. They just just been I couldn't
Speaker 1: talk about that shit while I was on parole, but
Speaker 1: like I went through it, and they were trying to
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, throw me in a dungeon. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm ready with a hunter songs. So I get a
Speaker 1: hold of a recording. I'm dropping a hundred. I'm dropping
Speaker 1: a hundred in a weekend. Get smuggling them bitches out
Speaker 1: come and get me. Put me in the hole. I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck.
Speaker 2: I'm sure. Once the iPhone gets introduced to the changed everything.
Speaker 1: It did change everything. It sped me up. But as
Speaker 1: the technology grew, so did my awareness of the potential
Speaker 1: that I was going home. So I wasn't always sure
Speaker 1: about that, and it's there's stages now I know the
Speaker 1: stages of development of my understanding. First it started with hopelessness,
Speaker 1: and then it turned into ah, you know, I might
Speaker 1: not be here forever for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: Maybe I won't. I don't know. You see laws, you
Speaker 1: hear everybody was always somebody coming man, this new this
Speaker 1: piece of legislation gonna change your life, asks I'm like whatever,
Speaker 1: man R all right? And so my big homie Dooney
Speaker 1: actually was one of the ones where he was at
Speaker 1: San Quentin. He got a murder with another of my OG's,
Speaker 1: the two founders but the founder of twenty four Street
Speaker 1: Garden Block and Doney as a founder of twenty nine
Speaker 1: Street Garden Block, and they caught a case. Dooney did
Speaker 1: gets fifty years. He ended up doing thirty one. And
Speaker 1: in the course of that you got these two men,
Speaker 1: one who taught me survival, how this is how you fight,
Speaker 1: this how you make a knife. He taught me that
Speaker 1: and later was able to teach me this is take
Speaker 1: your ass on. But Dooney was more educated on a
Speaker 1: on a from the perspective of hope faster than we were,
Speaker 1: because he got to do his time, some of his
Speaker 1: time at Saying Quentin, where they had all these programs
Speaker 1: and where rehabilitation was at the forefront. It was the
Speaker 1: darling of CDCR. Damn there still is. And so he
Speaker 1: was one of the ones who started saying, now you
Speaker 1: take your ass to school.
Speaker 3: You know, I got my phone. It hit me on Facebook.
Speaker 1: I seeing pictures of what he's doing on the yard,
Speaker 1: and it just made me feel like, damn, man, it
Speaker 1: ain't got to just be like this fucked up ass
Speaker 1: one eighty design I'm at or this two seventy yard,
Speaker 1: like it's a different you get different ways to do
Speaker 1: your time. And so he gave me permission. Really I
Speaker 1: needed it from somebody that I respected as against it
Speaker 1: to tech myas to anger management class, tech MIAs in there.
Speaker 1: I got my ged go to school.
Speaker 2: All that looks good too. I'm sure when they.
Speaker 1: And that was his point. But you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: really have that much hope in that. And so I
Speaker 1: remember Miller versus Alabama went to the Supreme Court, and
Speaker 1: Miller versus Alabama was a case about a juvenile in
Speaker 1: Alabama who was sentenced to the death penalty, and the
Speaker 1: argument was.
Speaker 3: Is it a violation of.
Speaker 1: Our Eighth Amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment to
Speaker 1: sentence a juvenile to death or even to sentence sentence
Speaker 1: them to life in prison without an opportunity for them
Speaker 1: to grow, and that neuroscience had demonstrated that at the
Speaker 1: age of twenty five we start seeing the results of
Speaker 1: maturation and development, and that these children should be allowed
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to prove that they grew up
Speaker 1: and that they got a different perspective and maybe they're
Speaker 1: a completely different person. So the Supreme Court rule, they
Speaker 1: got rid of it death sentences for juveniles, but in
Speaker 1: their ruling they stated essentially, if a case reached them
Speaker 1: about life in prison for juveniles, they likely rule in
Speaker 1: favor for that as well. Yeah, and this is important
Speaker 1: when people don't understand why voting is important. The Supreme
Speaker 1: Court we had at the time was impacted by Clinton
Speaker 1: and then impacted by Bush, and then impacted by Obama.
Speaker 1: So the people making those decisions, you know, we end
Speaker 1: up Trump puts three people on the Supreme Court, and
Speaker 1: there goes Roll versus Way, there goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Supreme Court. I always tell people, like, if
Speaker 2: you could just remove all of the you know, antics
Speaker 2: about politicians and just wherever you feel you're aligned with
Speaker 2: the Supreme courts. What matters the most, Probably.
Speaker 1: It really is, and the presidency matters because they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna have points going to appoint them, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna color that Supreme Court the way they want to. Sure,
Speaker 1: And it's said there's an argument that if today's Supreme
Speaker 1: Court was the Supreme Court ruling on Miller versus Alabama,
Speaker 1: I'll still be I literally would still be in prison
Speaker 1: today's Supreme Court was ruling.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I think a lot of people were
Speaker 2: saying RBG before she passed away, she like she should
Speaker 2: have retired while Obama was in because then he could
Speaker 2: have you know. But she stayed in and then obviously
Speaker 2: was replaced with a more conservative judge.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: I think Trump might have got to put two or
Speaker 3: three on there.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 2: I think I think it was at least it was
Speaker 2: at least two.
Speaker 1: At least might have been three. Yeah, it was at
Speaker 1: least two, we know for sure. And it changed the dynamics.
Speaker 1: So the Supreme Court did make that statement. So when
Speaker 1: they said that and in in their ruling, the states
Speaker 1: started freaking out because they're like, there will a case
Speaker 1: is going to get up there for sure cases on
Speaker 1: the way up there, and people start filing cases. Of course,
Speaker 1: it makes sure so a case is on this way
Speaker 1: up there. The courts indicated that they're definitely going to
Speaker 1: rule in favor of it if it makes it up there,
Speaker 1: and if they do, it'll be like how we saw
Speaker 1: the gay marriage. The states had control of that, but
Speaker 1: when the Supreme Court said this is legal everywhere, it
Speaker 1: was legal everywhere. That once they make a ruling, that's
Speaker 1: the law of the United States of America. The decision
Speaker 1: individual decisions is out. It would have been the same
Speaker 1: thing with the decision versus the juveniles with life. Now,
Speaker 1: all these states would have to let these people out
Speaker 1: and figure out what to do with them and have
Speaker 1: no mechanism in place to control it because it was
Speaker 1: being dictated to them by the federal government. So as
Speaker 1: a result, they proposed Senate Bill to sixty. Senator Lonnie Hancock,
Speaker 1: a Democrat out of northern California, proposed that there's be
Speaker 1: a process called the Youth Offender Law that allowed the juvenile.
Speaker 3: To go to board.
Speaker 1: So if you were between the ages of if you
Speaker 1: were younger than eighteen, you would have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go to board and be examined to find out if
Speaker 1: you were worthy of being released from prison, if you were,
Speaker 1: if you did not posing a reasonable risk for violent
Speaker 1: recidivism in the community.
Speaker 2: So that's where all of the things that you had
Speaker 2: did helped you out. Gd Anger Management.
Speaker 1: Owning my home. Yeah, like I was already ready to
Speaker 1: go home, and so they send doctor Lear to me.
Speaker 1: And now you got my big homie hit me like yo,
Speaker 1: the chop chop and the ogs and the law library.
Speaker 1: This is big news on the York for sure. So
Speaker 1: I'm working out in the sale mine of my business
Speaker 1: football game on and I remember I get called out
Speaker 1: to see it. So they like, hey, the psychologist is
Speaker 1: here to see you. And so typically, you know, I
Speaker 1: had signed up for these programs, so I would go
Speaker 1: to have a sit down with a psychologist probably once
Speaker 1: every two weeks or something like that. At least once
Speaker 1: a month, but that's normal. The staff to to the yard.
Speaker 1: So I keep dressed because I want to get a
Speaker 1: homie some time to himself. Let him have to sell
Speaker 1: for a minute. So I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go holler at this psychologist. Manager yourself. I'll be back
Speaker 1: because you know we locked down all that, you up
Speaker 1: around each other, saw me so a lot and so boom. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the green light under your businessman whatever.
Speaker 2: I'll be back.
Speaker 1: And so I go over there to the program office
Speaker 1: and they send me to the bad news place.
Speaker 3: You know do you usually go over there?
Speaker 1: It's your mama died, you know, your daddy died, and
Speaker 1: the kid is sick. It's the bad news building. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck? And uh. I walk in
Speaker 1: the room and it's just older gentleman sitting there by himself,
Speaker 1: dwarfed by the table, and I sit on the other
Speaker 1: side of him, and he introduces himself as doctor Lear
Speaker 1: and he says he's a forensic psychologist from the Border
Speaker 1: prison hearings. And uh. He asked me if I was
Speaker 1: willing to have a conversation with him, and I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm two hundred and forty five pounds with a
Speaker 1: four percent body fat benching four h five you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm sweating. I just got through doing berbees. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here looking at him and he's like he takes
Speaker 1: me through my entire at my whole life, and he's
Speaker 1: like a fine tooth comb. There's no plan with doctor Leir.
Speaker 1: He's seen it all, he's heard it all, and he
Speaker 1: is here to decide on his own judgment if you're
Speaker 1: a sociopathic monster that needs to state right where you
Speaker 1: are or if you're going to go home. Lord, if
Speaker 1: you're going to go home. They had a lot to do.
Speaker 1: If he said I think this person needs further development,
Speaker 1: you're sitting there until he says, I think you did it.
Speaker 1: And so he talked about immutable factors, childhood issues, things
Speaker 1: you can't control that create who you become. He very
Speaker 1: much explained his understanding of how I ended up being
Speaker 1: his seventeen year old child in the circumstances that I
Speaker 1: was in, and there's no argument about that. It's do
Speaker 1: you understand it? Found guilty by the jury or peers.
Speaker 1: We're not retrying your case. This is factual to them legally.
Speaker 1: That's all there is.
Speaker 2: Do you understand how you ended up?
Speaker 1: You understand how you got there, and have you implemented
Speaker 1: measures that you can take to prevent you from being
Speaker 1: in that circumstance again? Period? And then you have a
Speaker 1: psychopathy examine. It essentially is a psychopathy examination, and you
Speaker 1: have to score in the twenty fifth percentile or under,
Speaker 1: or they're going to tell the parole board that you're
Speaker 1: a threat to the safety of others in society if
Speaker 1: they were to release you, which is what they did
Speaker 1: to Manton every time he went to board one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the time. And so doctor Lear told me, Man,
Speaker 1: he said, well, at the end, when he had made
Speaker 1: up his mind about what he thought about me, he
Speaker 1: kind of just sat back and said, mister Brown, we're
Speaker 1: trying to let you go home, and I think you
Speaker 1: changed your life and you didn't care who did it, well,
Speaker 1: who knew you did it. It didn't matter to you.
Speaker 1: But it's time for you to care now that people know.
Speaker 1: I have my home, I own my home, I got
Speaker 1: my business set up, I've done anger management, I got
Speaker 1: my GED I'm enrolled in an AA program for for
Speaker 1: college credits. I'm attending arcotics Anonymous. At that point, I'm
Speaker 1: doing all kind of shit.
Speaker 2: Did you end up picking up like a drug habit
Speaker 2: while in prison? I didn't, I think, because I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people do, because it's like you ain't
Speaker 2: got shit to do, like the shit get pats around like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know us culturally, But it's fround the
Speaker 1: plan to do certain hard drugs culturally from the era
Speaker 1: that I come from.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: You know, I know we got popular to sniff this
Speaker 1: or sniff that.
Speaker 2: Everybody's sniffing shit these days. Yeah, yeah, all the rappers
Speaker 2: are high on real drugs.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's too late for me, man. So yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I attended those things because I have a lifestyle addiction,
Speaker 1: not necessarily a drug addiction. So if I did want
Speaker 1: to sniff something, which I've sniffed something before, if I
Speaker 1: wanted to sniff something, if I wanted to now I'm sniffing.
Speaker 1: Now I'm now I'm calling people because one time too many,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm tripping.
Speaker 3: I got little triggers active.
Speaker 1: Your fuse get shorter if my few and next thing
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm sagging. I'm moving a certain kind
Speaker 1: of way because I have a lifestyle addition, and that
Speaker 1: that kind of alcohol comes with that. Womanizing comes with that,
Speaker 1: Pistol packing comes with that, Get sniffing something comes with that.
Speaker 3: Violence comes with that, And so I have to be.
Speaker 1: Conscious of how to protect my lifestyle from relapse a
Speaker 1: lifestyle real shit.
Speaker 2: I would say, like if you ever have like any
Speaker 2: addition to anything, you could kind of apply the NA
Speaker 2: or AA shit to like any sort of advice you
Speaker 2: might have.
Speaker 3: At least the process.
Speaker 1: And that's why I like a NA more than AA,
Speaker 1: because it was more philosophical than religious. Right, it's very
Speaker 1: very religious and the piece and blessings to anybody that
Speaker 1: needed that way, But I didn't. I didn't require that,
Speaker 1: and it turned me off, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: now i'mies, Like, no, no, Now I go there. They
Speaker 1: trust me, and it was a completely different experience. And
Speaker 1: then we had criminals and gang members anonymous. It was
Speaker 1: a lot of different groups available to me in that
Speaker 1: environment that I started attending. And uh, once I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I had done my time as a gang
Speaker 1: member who went to prison as a rapper, right, and
Speaker 1: then made a shitload of money and got famous more
Speaker 1: famous while I was doing my time.
Speaker 2: So I had the I mean, it was a part
Speaker 2: of like your fucking appeal, Like, Yo, there's this dude
Speaker 2: dropping albums in fucking prison. This shit is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a part of the magic.
Speaker 1: And so I was anti administration and anti cop because
Speaker 1: I was operating as a criminal and as a game Reber,
Speaker 1: not no famous person or not no fucking celebrity, right,
Speaker 1: so I get I get classified. I got a letter
Speaker 1: from Monster Cody that they kept for like two months.
Speaker 3: They finally brought it to me. It was a tour up.
Speaker 1: They had tried to code it and shit, and I
Speaker 1: got flagged for receiving that letter.
Speaker 3: And then I got a letter from Tuki.
Speaker 1: So like when we dropped Deadly Game, they wanted to
Speaker 1: know man who wrote that? Whose spirit did that come from?
Speaker 1: So Wendy Day, Davy d Monster Cody, Tuki. They wanted
Speaker 1: to know what made me write that song. And then
Speaker 1: you got missaying to pe Land of the Loss. I
Speaker 1: had kind of started getting on the government's ass a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. I started trying to talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, three strikes in your route. Motherfucker's getting twenty
Speaker 1: five of life is still in a slice of pizza,
Speaker 1: Like this happened to this nigga the next door to me.
Speaker 1: And so I'm starting to take these stances in my music.
Speaker 1: And so I got validated as a gang member. And
Speaker 1: then they made me high notoriety public interest case, and
Speaker 1: they made me a being a high notoriety public interest cases.
Speaker 1: The only it's what they give you as a celebrity, right,
Speaker 1: so the high notoriety is what they'll give like Charles
Speaker 1: Manson and a public interest case, Scott Peterson, Tuki a
Speaker 1: monster Cody. It's only some of us that they did
Speaker 1: that too. And so once they hit me with that
Speaker 1: that particular label, I think the La Times started calling
Speaker 1: the institution. You MTV start calling the institution coming in
Speaker 1: with cameras, news crewis and shit on the yard in
Speaker 1: the day room like this in the day room of
Speaker 1: the prison. Crazy and so it's like, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: some celebrity shit. And so it was uh Loo Menendez
Speaker 1: getting with Loo Menendez. He was one of the first
Speaker 1: people to start telling me you using your You're you're
Speaker 1: allowing yourself to be defined by other people because you're
Speaker 1: not utilizing your celebrities.
Speaker 2: Is that one of the Menendez brothers?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 2: So you were you linked up with one of them
Speaker 2: or both of them both.
Speaker 1: I'm the Melenindez brother, as they say, I'm a black
Speaker 1: Menindez brother. Like both Lol and Eric are two of
Speaker 1: my favorite human beings on the place.
Speaker 2: Did they tell you where? Did they ever like tell
Speaker 2: you what really went down?
Speaker 1: You know what. It's not appropriate to digging nobody business
Speaker 1: like that, right, But.
Speaker 2: I wondered if, like you know, I'm not saying you
Speaker 2: got to share it, but like, like you guys, did
Speaker 2: you guys ever talk about.
Speaker 1: I have significant insight about everything, Like I was their
Speaker 1: first time being put together on the yard, Like I
Speaker 1: was the only one they allowed in the room, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean where they had got their first
Speaker 1: conversation after not seeing each other since they were sentenced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how long do they keep them apart?
Speaker 1: It's like twenty something years? Crazy? Yeah? Yeah we were Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and Love were there and Eric Eric got moved
Speaker 1: to us. Or me and Eric were there and Love
Speaker 1: got moved up.
Speaker 2: You still write them or keeping communication with absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right now. I'm working.
Speaker 1: Strange Music is working to uh I think you on
Speaker 1: a email, Richie. They're working to get me back into
Speaker 1: the facility that I parole from down at RJ. Donovan.
Speaker 1: It's from now. It's like how San Quentin is. That's
Speaker 1: what they're doing down there. And I'm going to go
Speaker 1: back in and do a concert, make a donation. So
Speaker 1: if you got some money for me, man, I need
Speaker 1: your money so I could give it to the fellas
Speaker 1: for this program. But uh, we're gonna go in there
Speaker 1: and me and Tech nine Travis Sogwyn and go to
Speaker 1: the facility, do a concert, talk to the boys about
Speaker 1: this is how far I came. You know, Scott Buttneck
Speaker 1: has programs there, the anti recidivism Coalition, the beautification program
Speaker 1: that they have, right and so we're gonna raise money
Speaker 1: for them. See if I can get them twenty thirty bands.
Speaker 1: If I could beat that, that's awesome. But twenty thirty
Speaker 1: bands real quick, that make a big difference in that environment.
Speaker 1: But also to walk teching Travis with the camera rolling
Speaker 1: in my cell that I left this cell to come
Speaker 1: free and as a result of that, I'm sitting here.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, we are working with Lyle and
Speaker 1: Eric to be able to pull that off. There their
Speaker 1: spearheading that program.
Speaker 2: And then you guys connected initially because you guys are
Speaker 2: both high profile quote celebrity cases.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of what happened. Like Lyle was on
Speaker 1: the on the yard we were playing football. Somebody elbowed
Speaker 1: him and I didn't like it, you know, they because
Speaker 1: it was the first time I ever saw somebody hit
Speaker 1: the yard like when I was with bo I still
Speaker 1: was operating on some gangster shit and both was just
Speaker 1: moving two guard block cribs, moving around the yard. We
Speaker 1: didn't give a fuck about we rappers, you know. And
Speaker 1: then we had a circumstance where like sug Knight, but
Speaker 1: Lyle was the first person I got to see and
Speaker 1: listen to how people perceived the famous person. And it
Speaker 1: was like, damn, is that how you niggas talk about me?
Speaker 1: Is you niggas talk about me like that? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So I felt protective of him because
Speaker 1: it was like selfishly protective of me, Like fuck that.
Speaker 1: And so he they he was playing on the line
Speaker 1: and he you know, he had hard and he works out.
Speaker 1: He's strong.
Speaker 3: Motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Elbowed him in his lip, and I just was like,
Speaker 1: Nigga the next motherfucker that tries to hurt somebody on purpose,
Speaker 1: as opposed to just football boss up, it's up, it's
Speaker 1: it's man and the whole team. Yeah, Nigga bother with
Speaker 1: everybody agreed and and he got to do his thing,
Speaker 1: you know. And he ain't to say he needed me
Speaker 1: to do that for him, but somebody needed to say something.
Speaker 1: Somebody had to fucking say something like Man, so you were.
Speaker 2: Like kind of like protecting them loky, I mean high key.
Speaker 1: I stood up for him. Lyle could protect itself. He's
Speaker 1: a sturdy man. You know, he's a good dude. Lyle
Speaker 1: could protect itself. But what was happening, you know, he
Speaker 1: was like it was being hey, like he was being hazed,
Speaker 1: and he was tolerating it because you know, he wanted to.
Speaker 2: Prove ft shit. Yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 1: I just like man could bus his lip, Like man,
Speaker 1: the next motherfucker to do something that I think is intentional,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get their ass whipped.
Speaker 2: So because that's the thing is like when we always
Speaker 2: hear so much about like the politics of the California
Speaker 2: prison system, right, but if like someone like the Menendez
Speaker 2: brothers goes in, do they like who do they fall
Speaker 2: in line with? Or are they just separate from everybody
Speaker 2: because of their status of that?
Speaker 1: So that goes back to the point I was making
Speaker 1: about the difference in my perspective as a criminal versus
Speaker 1: the person who was a public interest had I know
Speaker 1: the Roaddy case and I've been around Lyle by the
Speaker 1: time they decided Okay, this motherfucker the MTV interview in
Speaker 1: the Tuki Williams letter and the letter from Monster really
Speaker 1: pushed it over the edge. But Lyll and Air operate
Speaker 1: above the population and they move like politicians, not in
Speaker 1: a bad way, but they're very much hyper aware of
Speaker 1: the impact of their arrival and what that means and
Speaker 1: their influence. You know, they got the Secretary of Corrections
Speaker 1: on speed Now some of them were coos on the yard.
Speaker 2: It's one of the most high profile cases ever ever.
Speaker 1: And so did we talk about two very highly influential
Speaker 1: motherfuckers that could pretty much get whatever they want done
Speaker 1: done because they are doing it for the right reason,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're not really trying to
Speaker 1: do some crazy shit. Most of the time. It's beneficial
Speaker 1: to the population and something that the warden could be
Speaker 1: proud to put in his hat. And so Law was
Speaker 1: the one who started saying, you're using your you're using
Speaker 1: your fame incorrectly, and you're having a rougher experience. So,
Speaker 1: like I went through smuggling and beating rules, there is
Speaker 1: no rule trying to record songs to spinning about four
Speaker 1: years of inside the University of Eric in louoman Indez right,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm building studios on the
Speaker 1: yard now with permission of the fucking wharden. It went
Speaker 1: from it when we.
Speaker 2: Were sneaking around it was contraband, and now you got permission.
Speaker 1: And now I'm building a fucking studio for anybody you
Speaker 1: got there, anybody who's if you're staying out of trouble,
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta be doing.
Speaker 2: And you can get studio time.
Speaker 3: You could get.
Speaker 1: Studio time and a podcast on that yard. We were
Speaker 1: able to do it.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I was out there, little U terms there,
Speaker 1: the big homie Ron Ron Ron from sixties. Uh I
Speaker 1: had because a lot of those programs in wy Lyle
Speaker 1: and Eric started. Because Eric had a lot of groups
Speaker 1: that he was founding. He was found that there was
Speaker 1: no anger management group. He would create it and find
Speaker 1: a staff member willing to be the facilitator and get
Speaker 1: the cops to sign off on it, the wharden to
Speaker 1: sign off on it, get a space for it, and
Speaker 1: now he can pand in out certificates. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: people need this shit in their records when they go
Speaker 1: to board. So between Dooney and the Menendez brothers, they
Speaker 1: were the first ones to start allowing me to understand
Speaker 1: that this shit could go in my file, and so
Speaker 1: that's why I was butt naked with nothing in my file.
Speaker 1: Really the show for you know, he doctor Lear had
Speaker 1: to look for that ship. He was looking for it
Speaker 1: and finding it. Like this motherfucker got the title to
Speaker 1: a house in the central file because they have to
Speaker 1: they have to notarize it. So it's like you you
Speaker 1: you have a title to a home in your file,
Speaker 1: you have anger management slips, you have Like, how come
Speaker 1: why did I have to look for that? There's a
Speaker 1: section that could have just been in It's a section
Speaker 1: for in your file for that, and it's not there.
Speaker 1: I had to go find it. And people who wrote
Speaker 1: good stuff that I didn't know about counselor saying, you know,
Speaker 1: mister Brown is one of the most intelligent men you'll meet, and.
Speaker 2: You know whatever they write knowing those guys, did you
Speaker 2: watch the FX shows that Nah?
Speaker 1: I never watched it. I didn't have to. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: like I kind of percent of all of that shit, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and all of it directly from them.
Speaker 2: But do those guys like are they like pretty sensitive
Speaker 2: to like narratives that get put out about what happened,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, obviously there's ever. I mean, I
Speaker 2: feel like when you're that famous for such a huge
Speaker 2: case like that, you almost can't let the noise get
Speaker 2: to you because you'll fucking go crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you will er crazier because you're gonna get
Speaker 1: that experience is crazy, right, and so if you wasn't crazy,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be though, you're gonna.
Speaker 2: Get you pay attention to all of that, and like
Speaker 2: what people think about.
Speaker 1: You, and yeah, and so you they have impenetrable senses
Speaker 1: of self. Right, if you believe the cheers, you'll believe
Speaker 1: the booze. If you believe the booze, you're gonna believe
Speaker 1: the cheers. You gotta just kind of be right in
Speaker 1: the middle, skat in the middle man for sure. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's the best way to do it. Even if you
Speaker 1: if I always say you can't read the comments or if.
Speaker 3: You read them, you gotta read them. You gotta observe them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can observe you don't have to internalize them.
Speaker 1: Yeah for su Yeah, this I don't know this motherfucker
Speaker 1: is like Oprah said, like they you not even talking
Speaker 1: about me. I don't know you, and you don't know me.
Speaker 1: You just talking about what you think and I don't
Speaker 1: have to give a fuck. I have to worry. I
Speaker 1: care what my bank account looked like. My babies is fed,
Speaker 1: so that's more important to me.
Speaker 3: And they were like that.
Speaker 1: They were they could be impacted, you know, or they
Speaker 1: would impact each other. One of them do an interview
Speaker 1: and didn't talk about it to the other one first
Speaker 1: or write about it.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, when you do you know it.
Speaker 1: Have a a little bit of intensity involved in that
Speaker 1: with the two of them, But for the most part,
Speaker 1: they taught me to be so centrally focused and obsessed
Speaker 1: with your primary goal, which for them was quality of life.
Speaker 1: Because I've always said, man, you motherfuckers are two of
Speaker 1: the best human beings I've ever met. You're going to
Speaker 1: get out of here. Because they were always talking to
Speaker 1: me about going home, but it was weird to talk
Speaker 1: to them about it because they had life without the
Speaker 1: possibility of Barak.
Speaker 3: So them working so hard on me.
Speaker 1: It's a trip when you think that these motherfuckers were
Speaker 1: sentenced in the way where they were never getting home,
Speaker 1: but they are the ones who are helping everybodybody else
Speaker 1: on their way home. It was it was them and
Speaker 1: nobody talked about it, and nobody stood on it, like don't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be associated with that ship on
Speaker 1: some gangster shit if.
Speaker 3: I like, what the funk without?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? If I could sit in
Speaker 1: this chair and not talk about that, I would, But
Speaker 1: it would be some sucking shit because the truth is
Speaker 1: they was in there helping every fucking body, including me,
Speaker 1: anybody that was willing to do it. And so you
Speaker 1: go to board, they'll deny you for not having AA,
Speaker 1: they'll deny you for not doing NA, they'll deny you
Speaker 1: for not doing anger management, but they also not going
Speaker 1: to have that program. Right, So you out here on
Speaker 1: this yard and none of the ship. The board is
Speaker 1: asking you for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you have any sort of access to do
Speaker 2: And now can you get a transfer?
Speaker 1: When do you go to board? It's the transfer for
Speaker 1: the board. Can you transfer somewhere that does have any
Speaker 1: does they do they have it? Where you would transfer at?
Speaker 1: So the best solution is you gotta deal with this warden.
Speaker 1: You gotta write a memo and you gotta set that
Speaker 1: bitch up. And these are the buy I wrote to NA.
Speaker 1: They have agreed to give us. This applies and they're
Speaker 1: asking if we give them a space, they will send
Speaker 1: a facilitator in here, and like, okay, boom boardon signs
Speaker 1: that bitch boom and here it goes. And he's like,
Speaker 1: don't fuck me over right, I don't want nothing. Don't
Speaker 1: be in there fucking these bitches. Don't do some crazy shit.
Speaker 1: Don't smuggle nothing in my prison. I'm in a sign
Speaker 1: that I'm putting my name on this and you got
Speaker 1: to stand on that. And that's what they was doing.
Speaker 1: And uh, as a result, I ended up with ten
Speaker 1: million different kinds of certificates and all kind of shit
Speaker 1: in the right spot of my file. So by the
Speaker 1: time I went to board, it.
Speaker 2: Was up YO, break it down to me, because you
Speaker 2: going gold while incarcerated is crazy, but you're also in
Speaker 2: a position that could be a vulnerable one where you're
Speaker 2: in jail, so you could be taking advantage of there's
Speaker 2: a lot of money, yeah happening. I mean even if
Speaker 2: you sell one hundred thousand records in the nineties, like
Speaker 2: that's like real money, right, Oh yeah, So how are
Speaker 2: you keeping track of the money that's coming in from
Speaker 2: all this music? And how how are you making sure
Speaker 2: that like your finances are aligned, you're not getting fucked like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I did it like against it for many years.
Speaker 1: You know, my own boys, big pool. You know, I
Speaker 1: have people in place from from Garden Block who were
Speaker 1: making sure shit was going away I wanted. And then
Speaker 1: my relationship with Cedric was different from a lot of
Speaker 1: other people. So Cedric protected me from a lot of things.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I would get fifty thousand transferred
Speaker 1: over here. And now, like what I like to say
Speaker 1: is they have a cup of water, but I control
Speaker 1: the spout, and so somebody could fuck off what I
Speaker 1: put there. But all they did was teach me I
Speaker 1: can't put nothing there. But even that was an expensive
Speaker 1: learning experience. So you got my aunts. My family started
Speaker 1: tripping like, hey man, such and such a set money
Speaker 1: on fire. Like one of my aunts had a real
Speaker 1: strong conversation with me about too. That same year that
Speaker 1: Vengeance's Mind comes out and does one hundred thousand copies
Speaker 1: and we're getting seven dollars a pop for these motherfuckers, right,
Speaker 1: So we talked about a week we made seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand in a week before taxes and whatever, and so
Speaker 1: my aunt was like, listen to me, and so you
Speaker 1: know that I had a very strong visit with my
Speaker 1: sister and my family, and I hired a lawyer. So like,
Speaker 1: one of my guys came home from Afghanistan, and you know,
Speaker 1: he was writing to me, and I always wrote the
Speaker 1: military back still if I see in my eye acknowledged that,
Speaker 1: you know, they riding on him, been a hummer, strapped
Speaker 1: the fuck up, bumping You better bring your knight to
Speaker 1: the yard. They mean it. You know what I mean
Speaker 1: out here just do or die and they bump, bump do.
Speaker 1: I made do or Die music, So it's a lot
Speaker 1: of them move fucked with me. And so one of
Speaker 1: the guys that I was writing back and forth with
Speaker 1: came home and was like, man, I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck I'm gonna do with my life. I was like,
Speaker 1: I got you. And he started just doing any and
Speaker 1: everything getting it done. And he went and found the lawyer,
Speaker 1: He went and found the accountant, and then I used
Speaker 1: the lawyer and accountant to build my LLC while I
Speaker 1: was still there. So in two thousand and five, block
Speaker 1: Start Entertainment Incorporated. I had That was my first iteration,
Speaker 1: and I got all my articles done and then my
Speaker 1: lawyer went and got the accountant. Really, so my guy
Speaker 1: Mike found the lawyer the Won Tribe Law Corporation. I
Speaker 1: got Scott Hervey from the Wine Tribe Law Corporation, and
Speaker 1: then I ended up getting the accountant. And then those
Speaker 1: two people. That was it. That was it, those two firms,
Speaker 1: the law firm and my accountant firm. I was good.
Speaker 1: And now if I want to send something somewhere, I will.
Speaker 1: If I don't, I want. And then attorney client trust account.
Speaker 1: So I started dumping all my money in there, because
Speaker 1: if the courts or anybody wanted to see it, they
Speaker 1: had to subpoena the records. You couldn't just say hit
Speaker 1: the bank or just decide you want to know what
Speaker 1: my finances are. I had it set up in an
Speaker 1: attorney client trust account where they would even have to
Speaker 1: notify us that that was something they wanted to do,
Speaker 1: or my lawyer would have the ability to say that
Speaker 1: this was something that he didn't have to reveal and
Speaker 1: fight over it. At least give us a chance to
Speaker 1: figure out what I wanted to do. So I got
Speaker 1: set up by two thousand and five. I was set
Speaker 1: up to have a life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And then I mean that's I mean, that's still like
Speaker 2: fifteen years later from when you go in, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: About that, Yeah that was my fifteenth year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's like there's still a lot of money.
Speaker 2: So what do you get out of prison? And you're
Speaker 2: because you were able to take those you're you're fine,
Speaker 2: Like you have to least some sort of financial security.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I came home with you know, my
Speaker 1: ex wife was somebody who you know, and we had
Speaker 1: trained that way when we first met, she was in
Speaker 1: a small apartment, you know what I mean, just trying.
Speaker 2: Was this someone you met before you went to jail?
Speaker 1: Nah? We met while I was doing my time, And
Speaker 1: so how does that work? By the way, man, you
Speaker 1: want to be loved? Man, you trace fine love.
Speaker 2: Nah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's the hommies hooking you up or somebody you
Speaker 1: have a peripheral thing with. But for me, you know,
Speaker 1: I ran through every distraction that you can have in life.
Speaker 1: In that environment, I was like Solomon and Ecclesiastics. I
Speaker 1: did all the bullshit. So I got high, I got drunk.
Speaker 1: The homie sending me bitches me Lynch and six did
Speaker 1: a competition on who could get the most bitches to
Speaker 1: tattoo your name on them. I won from the pen,
Speaker 1: you know I won. We thought it was funny, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like on some gangster shit. So
Speaker 1: we in there. You develop a view of relationships based
Speaker 1: highly on getting things done. You need a runner more
Speaker 1: than you need a bitch to be in love with,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: For sure, you need someone who can trust to go, Hey,
Speaker 2: I need you to go call at the lawyer.
Speaker 1: I need you to go yeah. And i'ma love that.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what you do with your vagina.
Speaker 1: You get in the bitch trying to convince you I
Speaker 1: love you and all I and blah blah blah. Man,
Speaker 1: you know how many bitches got pregnant while I was
Speaker 1: doing my time from nineteen ninety two to two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. I had no less than six or seven
Speaker 1: bitches that was handling business for me up getting pregnant,
Speaker 1: tattoos and everything. It's bitch pregnant the motherfucker. You know what, bitch,
Speaker 1: You got my name all across your ass and nigga.
Speaker 3: Then skeeter it on.
Speaker 1: You didn't let a nigga skeat on my name, you
Speaker 1: punk ass bitch. No Diddy. Did they all tell you
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait for you. Yeah, they all selling you
Speaker 1: the same bullshit you selling them. It is what it is,
Speaker 1: right and you you providing for them and they making
Speaker 1: runs and it's a job. They making some money, you
Speaker 1: making some money. Mutually beneficial, mutually beneficial. So you by
Speaker 1: the time I got to the point where, oh I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be in this relationship, you know, you feel you
Speaker 1: get you come in and that aware of all this
Speaker 1: trash and it is. It's trauma too. It's trauma. You
Speaker 1: might have liked a few of these bitches, so it's
Speaker 1: some trauma. So now you you got to a female
Speaker 1: that you're looking at, like, man, maybe I could maybe,
Speaker 1: maybe we may be able to do this real thing
Speaker 1: I want to do because now I got the accountant
Speaker 1: and the lawyer. I got a little bit of a bag.
Speaker 1: I can send her ten bands here, I could send
Speaker 1: her five bands there. It's different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like you gonna stand on business, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So you got somebody and she was
Speaker 1: the type of person who would graduated college was you know,
Speaker 1: I had a corporate psychology, and I'm instilling this gainst
Speaker 1: the shit in that and so by the time I
Speaker 1: got home, she had whipped them some ass, and the
Speaker 1: lawyers and we had whipped some ass. And you know
Speaker 1: on the seven hundred thousand dollars house here, you know,
Speaker 1: coming from a home that I think and we have
Speaker 1: one in Sparks. And when they built that Tesla Battery
Speaker 1: factory sold that and got a bag and used that
Speaker 1: bag to get the house. You know, the bigger the
Speaker 1: bigger spots. So I don't even know I'm getting out
Speaker 1: and I got a home in the gated community in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm still in the pen crazy.
Speaker 1: And the title for that is in my in my
Speaker 1: file because I had to you know, I had to
Speaker 1: notarize it, so the notary come in, you got to
Speaker 1: stamp at the record and that went in my file.
Speaker 1: So they knew that too. You know, that motherfucker out
Speaker 1: of the house. He got this, He got that. They
Speaker 1: was aware of it in the business that I built.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I started wanting to have a real life
Speaker 1: for myself. And now i'm your brain development. I hit
Speaker 1: twenty five, I knew, like, damn man, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of bullshit going on. I'm full of shit. Everybody's full
Speaker 1: of shit. But the music was honest. I was being
Speaker 1: honest in them lyrics, and so I just went into
Speaker 1: start adulthood.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I decided, like, I want to be grown. My body
Speaker 1: was already. I told one of my little homies this, nigga,
Speaker 1: you know, you could just wake up in the morning
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm grown and you would be right.
Speaker 1: He's like, what you mean. I'm like, what is your
Speaker 1: I said, nigga, your New Year's resolution is going to
Speaker 1: be to be a man, be an adult. Your body
Speaker 1: already did it. It's just now decision got to be
Speaker 1: mad and I had already done that. Oh two was
Speaker 1: when I started my tenth year. I'm rocking and rolling
Speaker 1: that whole time, any and everywhere I go, Right, it's
Speaker 1: Melee's all this bullshit, dope, smuggling shit in making music,
Speaker 1: rocking and rolling. I get to two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, two thousand and four, two thousand
Speaker 1: and five, if I got the lawyer, I got the count,
Speaker 1: and I got a woman that's going hard on some
Speaker 1: adult shit. And I'm thinking, like, all right, if I
Speaker 1: got to do the rest of my life, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it like this. And then over the course of
Speaker 1: that from five to twenty twelve, you have I start
Speaker 1: going to the psychologist Doney tell me to do these
Speaker 1: programs right.
Speaker 2: That becomes like, oh, there's a light at the end
Speaker 2: of the tunnel. Potentially there's a.
Speaker 1: Way of life. I didn't even I just wanted to
Speaker 1: if I was gonna be in there for the rest
Speaker 1: of my life, I wanted to do it like a
Speaker 1: g I wanted to be a grown ass man. I
Speaker 1: wanted to be in control of whatever part of my
Speaker 1: destiny I could control, and so I focused on that.
Speaker 1: And then Miller versus Alabama start popping up, and shit
Speaker 1: was on the cover of the USA today. I was like, ooh,
Speaker 1: we like nigga a big homie said. People started, hey man,
Speaker 1: hey man, oh Jesus talking, this is real. This is
Speaker 1: on the Assembly four and then boom, by twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: the legislation for Senate Bill two sixty member. My little
Speaker 1: hommy Bird, my young brother Bird actually brought that paper
Speaker 1: to me because they knew I hated that. Don't bring
Speaker 1: me this shit talking about I'm going home. Same way.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do the lilon Eric's talking about
Speaker 1: this shit. I'm where, I'm fine, making my fucking burritos,
Speaker 1: watching Sunday night football. Bro, bring me this fucking bullshit
Speaker 1: have me down the street emotionally and my space. So
Speaker 1: I'm like whatever, and this nigga was like he was like, ak,
Speaker 1: listen to me, ax, listen to me. He's standing at
Speaker 1: the door and he's like, you're going home. You're going home.
Speaker 1: And he slid the papers through the door, even crying,
Speaker 1: and we took off so I didn't have to see
Speaker 1: him cry. And I read that shit. I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck. I went and jumped on the phone,
Speaker 1: called home and it's like an whatever. You know, we
Speaker 1: hear this all the time, and my lady called, uh,
Speaker 1: my lawyer. I had Charles Carbum and she caught the
Speaker 1: lawyer and he was like, yeah, this is real and
Speaker 1: we'll have him out of there. It's gonna take me
Speaker 1: about three years, but he's coming home.
Speaker 2: And I was like, who, So now you got something
Speaker 2: to look forward to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so now we're hopelessness to maybe to hope to thinking.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, now, man, I think I might get
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: So you had an incident in twenty ten where you
Speaker 2: almost got killed in prison. They like to say it
Speaker 2: like I almost got killed when you got stabbed. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did get Now this is in the middle of
Speaker 2: the hope, at the end of the you know you see, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know there's a light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 3: It was a lot going on at that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happened was it? So, from what I understand,
Speaker 2: you were essentially approached to like help put out some
Speaker 2: music from somebody in prison, and you said no, or
Speaker 2: so like give me the What happened?
Speaker 1: I think even the approach to give music was a
Speaker 1: red heerent. What really happened, and then we could talk
Speaker 1: about this now, was that I went on an attorney visit.
Speaker 1: I read the rules, and then the rules your attorney
Speaker 1: can do a deposition and bring a recording device. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so I'm still on my shit and this time
Speaker 1: what I'm motivated by is I wanted to record from
Speaker 1: songs that represented my current philosophy. Yeah, where your head
Speaker 1: is courtly, Yeah, I felt like I was being the
Speaker 1: kid with the gun to his head was sixteen when
Speaker 1: he took that picture that unforgiving x raighted. You know,
Speaker 1: I was a different person. So I'm like, I wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure I could get some music done. So
Speaker 1: I go out with my lawyer and I'm recording the
Speaker 1: music and the rules. They can't listen to your attorney visit,
Speaker 1: but the cop in the room can hear me rapping
Speaker 1: in there, and so he don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: And they don't know the fucking rules. They learn the
Speaker 1: rules by fucking the rules up and getting corrected. They
Speaker 1: don't know the fucking book. We know the book better
Speaker 1: than they do, right, And so this dude calls his
Speaker 1: sergeant like, man, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: But this dude is in there recording.
Speaker 1: He's rapping, he's recording raps, and the sergeant busts in
Speaker 1: the room and he picked all the equipment up and
Speaker 1: he took the fucking raps and he cuts my lawyer out.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell him, hey, man, you're making the mistake stards,
Speaker 1: you're making the mistakes stars.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, you get.
Speaker 1: The fuck out of here. The fuck you think you're
Speaker 1: you and take your eyes back to your cell. I said,
Speaker 1: you don't have to talk to me like that, Sir.
Speaker 1: You're making a mistake, Sarge, You're making a mistake. So
Speaker 1: I go back and they put me in my cell.
Speaker 1: About thirty minutes later, they called me to the program office.
Speaker 1: Or walk in the program office and I can see
Speaker 1: the people standing there. Now, the lawyers are here, I
Speaker 1: can see the higher ups are here, and I sit
Speaker 1: in the chair. Nick Large and is standing there looking
Speaker 1: like he fucking got a canary in his mouth because
Speaker 1: he got checked. And the captain is there, and they
Speaker 1: got these fucking papers they want me to sign, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, what we're doing and they like, well,
Speaker 1: mister Brown, looks like we have ourselves a pickle. Whatever
Speaker 1: you may have been doing is not against the rules.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's why I was doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 1: I'm aware of that, But what they would like is
Speaker 1: for me to talk about it outside of that fucking
Speaker 1: legal visit, because I'm only protected that in that legal visit.
Speaker 1: So I'm aware of that, so I'm not about to
Speaker 1: acknowledge nothing that I was doing. So they were like, well,
Speaker 1: how many songs did you record? And I didn't answer
Speaker 1: the question, and then I finally said it is do
Speaker 1: you think I'm stupid? Like DoD we think I'm stupid.
Speaker 1: I know what's going on here. You got checked. I
Speaker 1: told you to leave me alone. I told you you
Speaker 1: were making a mistake. And when I'm done with you,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be working in the tower outside of the
Speaker 1: prison by yourself for eight hours with a pair of
Speaker 1: binoculars watching tumbleweeds when I'm done with you, cause you
Speaker 1: should have left me the fuck along. So they don't
Speaker 1: like that. They don't like that. That's too much power.
Speaker 1: They got to leave this dude the fuck alone. And
Speaker 1: he got a lawyer, and he's got he's got some money.
Speaker 1: I'm too protected. We can't send me back to the
Speaker 1: yard and X ray it dies and that's gonna be okay,
Speaker 1: Like it ain't that kind of circumstance. So what what
Speaker 1: can they do? The Son of Sam lawsuit didn't work.
Speaker 1: The San of Sam Long got struck down by the
Speaker 1: Kyle count your Supreme Court. This is not against the rules.
Speaker 1: What I just tried to do. I don't even have
Speaker 1: possession the contra man. And you can't even say that
Speaker 1: you heard even you heard that. You can't even if
Speaker 1: you say you heard it. You're in the checkmate, right.
Speaker 1: So give me my ship and I'm I'm going back
Speaker 1: to my cell correct, and it's like, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: it is. So I go back to this cell. Sergeant's
Speaker 1: up in that tower, you know that version of that tower,
Speaker 1: and his friends are mad about that. So now I
Speaker 1: got this crop of angry cops who who are upset
Speaker 1: that they just got defeated like seos, and I get
Speaker 1: warned about that. Get I get warned that hey.
Speaker 2: There's they ain't fucking with you.
Speaker 1: There are there's cops who are fans of me and
Speaker 1: that are hearing the talk, and they're like, man, these
Speaker 1: dudes are advocating for something to happen to you. Man,
Speaker 1: be aware of that. Be aware. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. Like if somebody think I did
Speaker 1: all that time and I'm standing on that yard that
Speaker 1: day and don't know that this is going down, then
Speaker 1: they they ain't never did no time. So I'm outside
Speaker 1: because I didn't give a fuck. Bro, I've seen worse
Speaker 1: than that. To me, these was kids trying to they
Speaker 1: was playing, they playing tough. They had everybody had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go be tough. I didn't change my life,
Speaker 1: got my shit together. I'm just dropping me some rhymes.
Speaker 1: So approaching me about doing anything for them. Was we
Speaker 1: used to do that to people, you know what I mean, Like, Hey, hommie,
Speaker 1: what's that? And you got my my five dollars, you
Speaker 1: get mad de yoda in that tooth paste I gave you.
Speaker 1: Ain't man all we with and we was gonna anyway.
Speaker 1: It was gonna happen. It wasn't no getting out of it.
Speaker 1: So when them dudes started that whole make an album
Speaker 1: for me thing, or we need two grand or this
Speaker 1: or that, I was like, man, I'm not giving a
Speaker 1: nigga a souper on. I'm not doing nothing I don't
Speaker 1: want to do. And again, I'm the biggest motherfucker on
Speaker 1: the yard, right. I didn't start peeling the weight off
Speaker 1: until I got to board and my lawyer was like,
Speaker 1: you're a black man with all this hair and all
Speaker 1: these muscles and all this. You're terrifying to look at
Speaker 1: to the people you were about to. My lawyer told
Speaker 1: me to cut my hair. My lawyer told me to
Speaker 1: lose some weight. My lawyer told me the guy the
Speaker 1: perception is everything.
Speaker 3: And then my health told me keep it this way.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Now that I'm fifty years
Speaker 1: old and free, but at the time. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about nobody doing nothing and me and not because of
Speaker 1: no tough shit. I just believe, man, I believe in
Speaker 1: something greater than me. Man. They call it God, people
Speaker 1: call it the universe. Man, Alahuac bar is how I feel. Nigga,
Speaker 1: if it's meant for me today, let's go. I want
Speaker 1: to know. I'm not waking up and thinking this nigga
Speaker 1: could whoop me. You gotta come and do it. You
Speaker 1: get taking a life, they call it you. I'm not
Speaker 1: giving you shit. And so we was outside and niggas
Speaker 1: walked up and I see that these you don't have
Speaker 1: no business coming this direction. I'm at a table for
Speaker 1: Cripson blood. You know what I mean. It's a piru
Speaker 1: from Cedar Block over here, it's in San Diego, Keyway,
Speaker 1: it's a brother from the Bay. It's just a it's
Speaker 1: a black table. And so I just my instincts is
Speaker 1: the nigga got too close. I went straight at him
Speaker 1: and back back bap, and he got dropped. And it
Speaker 1: turns out that that was the person that had that
Speaker 1: the primary weapon that would have been most harmful. So
Speaker 1: like D the biggest threat. Yeah, and it was good
Speaker 1: because he was the tough one. And so now everybody
Speaker 1: else is thinking now and you're supposed to run. Somebody
Speaker 1: pulled the knife on you, you're supposed to run. But
Speaker 1: burying Dony and others, I knew that if you turn
Speaker 1: your back, you're done. You gotta nigga, we gotta do this.
Speaker 1: And then doing so, you could look that man in
Speaker 1: his eyes, keV. You could look him in his eyes
Speaker 1: and see after position Nigga's on the ground, you could
Speaker 1: see they made him do it. You didn't want to
Speaker 1: come up to do it. You don't know we doing
Speaker 1: this now. I'm talking to people. We in the same
Speaker 1: amount of trouble. If we stop right now or if
Speaker 1: we keep going this up, it's this is it. And
Speaker 1: I'm kind of it's a couple of them that I
Speaker 1: wanted to do something too for a while, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't in a position in my life to be able
Speaker 1: to start nothing, to just jump off. I couldn't start nothing,
Speaker 1: but you could defend yourself. But I could defend myself.
Speaker 1: And so I got to beat a couple motherfuckers up,
Speaker 1: and I got a couple scratches and scrapes and bruises,
Speaker 1: but ain't nobody. He damn, they're killed nothing.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: That's a motherfucking lie.
Speaker 1: And so the reason they think that lie is because
Speaker 1: when I was getting so I'm in the room and
Speaker 1: they looking, they examining, and I got a motherfucker asking
Speaker 1: me questions, and he's and the cops are mad about it.
Speaker 1: The nurses and shit are angry at this dude, and
Speaker 1: they like, hey, man, excuse me, and they were, you know,
Speaker 1: checking out to see if I'm in immortal danger right now.
Speaker 1: And he's like, who did it? Who did it? And
Speaker 1: so I closed my eyes and leaned back. I swear
Speaker 1: to God, I swear on my mother's life, fully, fully,
Speaker 1: conscious fully, fucking fine. Other than these scratches and whatever
Speaker 1: adrenaline through the roof, I don't feel no pain, of course,
Speaker 1: And I leaned back and I just just quietly, just left,
Speaker 1: just very quietly. And they responded like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's crashing, and so they start trying to take care
Speaker 1: of me. I was listening to this whole thing happened,
Speaker 1: and that was how the investigator got ran out the room,
Speaker 1: and so everybody ran with that. X almost died, like whatever,
Speaker 1: if that makes me, people feel better than good for them.
Speaker 2: Yo, at what point in time, because you know there
Speaker 2: were five people involved in the initial incident that led
Speaker 2: you to go to prison. Anytime somebody loses the life,
Speaker 2: right right, right right, there's at what point in time
Speaker 2: do you face that and kind of come to peace?
Speaker 2: Like you said you had empathy, you eventually ended up
Speaker 2: getting empathy for what happened, Like, yeah, like myself as
Speaker 2: a child. Yeah, like at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: like it was a crime that had a victim. So
Speaker 2: at what point in time did you kind of like
Speaker 2: come to terms with the incident that night that changed
Speaker 2: your life forever?
Speaker 1: I think I came to terms with that around two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, in that window where you know too,
Speaker 1: I don't know how old I was by the end.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll take thirty and four.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm twenty eight, so I'm old enough to
Speaker 1: have had that brain thing happen, and I'm old enough
Speaker 1: to know it happened because I can like, doesn't look
Speaker 1: the same, colors, don't look the same. Motherfucker.
Speaker 2: Once you hit a certain age, it's like you put
Speaker 2: a dupe pair of glasses on. You see the whole
Speaker 2: world different it really is.
Speaker 1: And I felt like going from twenty five to thirty
Speaker 1: and then going from thirty to thirty five, thirty five
Speaker 1: to forty. I've had these stages where life looked different,
Speaker 1: and so I had I had trying to reconcile that
Speaker 1: within myself. I did a total of nine years of
Speaker 1: solitary confinement over making music, you know, getting locked up.
Speaker 1: Three years here, two years here, bust therapy transfer me,
Speaker 1: I get off.
Speaker 2: And that's when it's just you and your thoughts.
Speaker 3: It's just you and your thoughts.
Speaker 1: When the door closes you either I can hear so
Speaker 1: like I'm in the hole at corkorand I'm in the shoot,
Speaker 1: and so they have said, I'm in the ASU. I'm
Speaker 1: into what they call Z unit. And there's a window
Speaker 1: that's just a slice, right, it's a slice a rectangle
Speaker 1: and standing up and you go look out that window
Speaker 1: and there's a white wall and that's it.
Speaker 3: Left and right, that's it.
Speaker 1: And I got another one of those slits in the roof,
Speaker 1: and every now and then I see the sun passed
Speaker 1: by and magneto shit. And so I'm in this room
Speaker 1: and the bed is just stell is a is a
Speaker 1: concrete slab built out of the wall like a cave.
Speaker 1: They built out of concrete and it has a mattress
Speaker 1: on it, and then the wall itself where the sink
Speaker 1: is is steel, and you have a sink and a toilet.
Speaker 1: And I was and that was me in that room
Speaker 1: and mail and in some books, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so I'm listening to people crack. I can hear
Speaker 1: the dude down there that can't take it no more.
Speaker 1: And I hear them running down there to go in there.
Speaker 1: You gotta come back. They got to come with the
Speaker 1: shield and the masks on and open his door and
Speaker 1: go wrestling. And maybe he smears shit all over his
Speaker 1: body and water all on the floor trying to get
Speaker 1: out slippery, and they fighting. I can hear him down there,
Speaker 1: and next thing you know, they got him on Senna Kwon.
Speaker 1: He running around ruling, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I can see the options. I can see the options.
Speaker 1: So the options were, I'm waking up in the morning,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a prayer, I'm gonna work out, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna drink my coffee. I'm gonna work out, and got
Speaker 1: my little pack of coffee, little steak coffee pack, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna take a bird bath.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna clean up my mess. I'm gonna get my
Speaker 1: reading in. I'm gonna finish my reading. I'm gonna write
Speaker 1: my letters. I finish that. I'm gonna write me some songs.
Speaker 1: I finish that. I'm gonna do some reading and go
Speaker 1: to sleep, and I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 2: This is just that Roustie routine, like a machine.
Speaker 1: Like a machine, and I'm gonna put in what I
Speaker 1: want to put in. So I started reading anything that
Speaker 1: had to do with Solomon, anything that had to do
Speaker 1: with Jesus, anything that had to do with Mohammed, anything
Speaker 1: that had to do with Buddha, anything that had to
Speaker 1: do with like John F. Kennedy, RFK, Martin Luther, King,
Speaker 1: Malcolm X. I'm like, I'm constructing a father figure for
Speaker 1: myself out of historical figures and quotes in Winston Church
Speaker 1: the most g But what the fuck was wrong with Hitler?
Speaker 1: If any was something wrong with Hitler? Was he was
Speaker 1: he right?
Speaker 3: Or was he tripping? I read mine Camp.
Speaker 1: I read it like I want to know if I
Speaker 1: think you were tripping, Like, oh yeah, money was tripping.
Speaker 1: Money was tripping a little bit but I wanted to know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to understand historical figures, the Prince, Nicolo, Machiavelli, uh, everything,
Speaker 1: everything that I could get my hands on, the play,
Speaker 1: those caves, the Socratic method, fucking Malcolm Gladwell. When the
Speaker 1: roots dropped, the tipping point, like I went into I
Speaker 1: did a deep dive. I went in the rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: the tipping point. Oh, Malcolm Gladwell, Like, who the fuck's
Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell? What else did he write? And you know, Freakonomics.
Speaker 1: I went from Freakonomics and got to tipping Point and
Speaker 1: then I got to Outliers, and Outliers changed my fucking
Speaker 1: life when I read that book.
Speaker 2: So like being in the hole, like that's the approach
Speaker 2: people should take, but the other approaches you let like
Speaker 2: you can't take it, and then you end up going
Speaker 2: crazy to try to get out to what to maybe
Speaker 2: go to the fucking like if you end up like yeah,
Speaker 2: because at least that's you're getting out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least you.
Speaker 1: Got your pudding and you got you and take your
Speaker 1: little pills and it's better than that. Maybe, I guess,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: I felt like they couldn't have my brain, Doctor Markle.
Speaker 1: I've read what he wrote about surviving a concentration camp
Speaker 1: and what he had that the last thing he had
Speaker 1: left when he didn't know if he was getting gassed tomorrow,
Speaker 1: all he could do is control what was going on
Speaker 1: here and here. That was it, and that's how it
Speaker 1: felt like. I'm in the corner and I'm not going
Speaker 1: under the bed, so we gotta fight. If you keep
Speaker 1: coming this way, we're gonna have to fight. I'm not
Speaker 1: going under the bed, you know. And it's a still slap.
Speaker 1: You can't go under the bed anyway, so like it's
Speaker 1: a concrete slab. So that was my philosophy.
Speaker 2: You and brother lynch Man, obviously you guys are tied
Speaker 2: together forever.
Speaker 1: Forever, Doctor Dry and Snoop Dogg in Northern California.
Speaker 2: Can you give me an idea of you know, because
Speaker 2: Lynch ended up working with Strange, right he did. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he still is or not, but he
Speaker 2: but he you know, he had signed with Strange And
Speaker 2: was that kind of your introduction to Tech and Travis?
Speaker 2: And because when you got out, did you already have
Speaker 2: a situation figured out with strange music.
Speaker 1: So while I was still incarcerated, and this will bring
Speaker 1: us to a couple of people we mentioned before. I
Speaker 1: was still incarcerated making music, and Brian Shafton actually ended
Speaker 1: up putting out music for me while I was incarcerated.
Speaker 1: So Brian Shafton gave me a deal in twenty ten eleven,
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, like, I'm coming right off of this shit,
Speaker 1: because I did get my songs recorded and out, So
Speaker 1: I'm coming right off of this big old fight, and
Speaker 1: which was the police sent the niggas at me, right,
Speaker 1: so I get up because I put the sergeant in
Speaker 1: that in the corner of the earth. So I come
Speaker 1: from that to I get to the hot desert, which
Speaker 1: at the time is the most dangerous yard. So I
Speaker 1: get my reward for not getting in trouble because I
Speaker 1: was attacked, right. I didn't even gotta say shit, it's
Speaker 1: all this happened on camera. And think about this an
Speaker 1: attempted murder if the speculation is a trip. So anybody
Speaker 1: that's against that have been through some gangs, the shit,
Speaker 1: we just gonna do it like this, kiv An attempted
Speaker 1: murder on a prison yard, That'd be like an apartment
Speaker 1: complex that has' there's cameras everywhere, but these cops have
Speaker 1: also been on this yard with all of us for
Speaker 1: seven years, five years at a time. Right, we know whoever?
Speaker 2: You know all these guys. I see you guys every
Speaker 2: fucking day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the motherfuckers at my gym. Now it's
Speaker 1: only been two years, but I know who that is.
Speaker 1: I know Bruce, I know Miss Tina Hi. Good morning,
Speaker 1: Miss Tina Hi. On the ray right right, same thing,
Speaker 1: so on camera, located weapons, they didn't disappear. Cops identify everybody. No,
Speaker 1: all parties involved and attempted murder. And there's no there's
Speaker 1: no court case.
Speaker 2: That shit's crazy.
Speaker 1: No court case King's County right, Colinga, California. There's no
Speaker 1: court case. Not one person ended up in court because
Speaker 1: you have an uncooperative, uncooperative victim, right, victim, So if
Speaker 1: don't matter if you won. So I did nine months
Speaker 1: locked up for nine months as a result of that
Speaker 1: for escalating to the point of not being a victim.
Speaker 1: That's what they were trying to do to me.
Speaker 2: So because you defended yourself, you no longer became a victim.
Speaker 2: And because you weren't going to necessarily cooperate into the
Speaker 2: extent they wanted to. It didn't become a case.
Speaker 1: I didn't I did, I didn't. I wasn't enough of
Speaker 1: it was I wasn't enough of a victim. I defended
Speaker 1: myself too well. When your choices are to die right
Speaker 1: or or or or win, which is to live, it's
Speaker 1: literally a life in that morning. How closer to everybody
Speaker 1: they would have Maybe, yeah, I had to get I
Speaker 1: had to want me to die out here, But.
Speaker 2: Think about how many how many times that happens in prison,
Speaker 2: where just that kind of shit just gets swept into
Speaker 2: the rug, and like, people don't have justice, and there's
Speaker 2: family members out here that you want to know what
Speaker 2: happened to their.
Speaker 1: Fucking kid, and oh I saw a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then it's like it doesn't really matter because
Speaker 2: they look at you as second class citizens at this point,
Speaker 2: and you're never gonna get your your true justice, never
Speaker 2: for that family.
Speaker 1: It's a difficult environment to have empathy for it, right,
Speaker 1: So to get people to realize that if you're too
Speaker 1: defiant and the cops want you to die, because the
Speaker 1: existence of a neo out here, there's somebody walking around
Speaker 1: we can't fucking punish, right, We can't stop him from
Speaker 1: making music. We can't we write him up as a
Speaker 1: slap on the risk. We can't take his money. He's
Speaker 1: going to visit, he's he's got his lawyers. He's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck do you do? Right, Well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get him what we're gonna whacking. We're gonna smut you up,
Speaker 1: accuse you of a bunch of shit.
Speaker 3: How do you get away? We're recording that album.
Speaker 1: People who can't read the rules, who can't even really understand,
Speaker 1: are easy to manipulate for sure, because if he did, yeah,
Speaker 1: how did he get away with that? Because there's no rule,
Speaker 1: dumb ass, it's not against the rules. But I'm not
Speaker 1: explaining that to motherfuckers who come up to me, because again,
Speaker 1: I'm a black male who comes from a crypt background.
Speaker 1: I don't got to explain myself to no motherfucker that
Speaker 1: ain't from what I'm from. I don't owe you no
Speaker 1: fucking explanation. And if I did give you an explanation,
Speaker 1: you want to know how I got it in here?
Speaker 1: You want to know how I did whatever you want?
Speaker 1: What do you want to know that for? And who
Speaker 1: the fuck are you you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: I'm big on that. I can go find out nigga
Speaker 1: even told on all your homies, Like I'm not telling
Speaker 1: you how public. Yeah, I would have gave somebody some game.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you want to do your music. I respect that.
Speaker 1: I've done that before, where somebody was busting and I
Speaker 1: see him and I'll be like, hey, check it out.
Speaker 1: And I pulled somebody.
Speaker 2: We locked up with any other artists who ended up
Speaker 2: kind of getting out and doing something.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Razkas was there, you know me and
Speaker 1: I remember writing back and forth to Flesh and Bone
Speaker 1: man Stack a good dude, and so like me and Stack,
Speaker 1: we both you know, I started going to uh Islamic
Speaker 1: surfaces services. I started going to Juma and doing Ramadan,
Speaker 1: and so so was Flesh, and so we both had
Speaker 1: took Shahada, which is a part of my story y'all
Speaker 1: never really told. So, like a part of what changed
Speaker 1: for me was was getting into Islam, really really digging
Speaker 1: into Islam.
Speaker 2: And like you kind of dug into every religion, I dug.
Speaker 1: Into all of them and land because I really did.
Speaker 1: I did dig into all of them. Yeah you should,
Speaker 1: but I landed in a place of I kind of
Speaker 1: liked how heat, I like mono theism, I like I
Speaker 1: liked the concept of of this this particular construct. So
Speaker 1: I hung out there if the point of studying all
Speaker 1: that stuff was to find somewhere to hang out, and
Speaker 1: I just thought, you know, the earliest oldest philosophy that
Speaker 1: I could find, that was what I wanted to rock with,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And so I kind of
Speaker 1: landed there. But yeah, we used to be given, you know,
Speaker 1: get a letter to the e man and you take
Speaker 1: it over there, and they were like, yeah, man, you know,
Speaker 1: it was beautiful to be in touch with everybody like that.
Speaker 1: But like dope ass people, the dopest rappers I ever
Speaker 1: met in prison never got out, Like there's a there
Speaker 1: was a cat from Compton. There's a cat from content fuckers,
Speaker 1: because man, there's a cat from Compton who I think
Speaker 1: was arguably the dopest rapper I ever ran into. Like
Speaker 1: I think he was doper than it niggas on the streets,
Speaker 1: like right at that if motherfuckers had heard him and
Speaker 1: we because you know, we go back and forth, he
Speaker 1: spit a rhyme. Everybody that thought they could rap was
Speaker 1: gonna be my rapper to the point I was a
Speaker 1: battle rapper like you had to be. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: I ran into a lot of motherfuckers with a lot
Speaker 1: of talent, but not necessarily who came home and did
Speaker 1: nothing with it.
Speaker 2: Can you talk about just like how important you and
Speaker 2: Lynch's French has been to just yeah everything, man, like
Speaker 2: I'm sure you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, that's my brother. I love Lynch. So so
Speaker 3: what I'm fifteen h.
Speaker 1: Sixteenth, So December seventeenth, nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety excuse me.
Speaker 1: We have a party for my grandmother's death day. And
Speaker 1: my cousin Nicole brings six with her and six six
Speaker 1: and Lynch and all of them were older than me,
Speaker 1: so you know, we were trafficking in different circles. I
Speaker 1: would come up to fuck with the big homies and
Speaker 1: go back into what I was doing. And Lynch was,
Speaker 1: you know, into hip hop that it was with the
Speaker 1: dancing and flipping and the rough busting rhymes, you know.
Speaker 1: But he from Tama Sharon and Kirk Waite, like he
Speaker 1: from the gardens. He was outside, but he was outside
Speaker 1: doing some shit that some dope shit, while we was
Speaker 1: doing dumb shit. And so like me, and Bo are like,
Speaker 1: I say, Ozone, but they was like, well they was
Speaker 1: like Ozone and Turbo and me and Bo was like
Speaker 1: old dog and can okay, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so six showed up and I had all my
Speaker 1: rhymes on the walls, you know, thumb tacked and sheet
Speaker 1: protectors and shit, write a new one, put it on
Speaker 1: the wall, read them and I would just read my rhymes.
Speaker 1: That was kind of a thing for me. I kind
Speaker 1: of steal a tape of paper to the wall and
Speaker 1: just do free form righting and shit.
Speaker 3: And so, uh, six is like who wrote this shit?
Speaker 3: And it was like, you know, it's my shit.
Speaker 1: And I've been working with DJ Tantrum, Percy Hunter from
Speaker 1: Flat Dog Crip, and so me and Percy was working
Speaker 1: on what ultimately would become the first half a Psychoactive
Speaker 1: and the entire niggas in Blackie Pee that I did.
Speaker 1: And Six was like, oh, nah, man, tomorrow, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bring my brother over, you know. And then Lynch was
Speaker 1: like had the name Ice Cold. His hip hop name
Speaker 1: was Ice Cold, and six is was stroubbed like he
Speaker 1: was you know, them niggas was tickers, and so he
Speaker 1: bring them over. We get there and I'm like, it's Kevin.
Speaker 1: Nigga's Kevin Man, you know what I mean. So I know,
Speaker 1: but Lynch. We look at Lynch like, oh, that nigga
Speaker 1: was talented out there on some it was our little
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson outside and so uh we bust rhymes all
Speaker 1: night and they like, man, if you could pay for
Speaker 1: your studio time, we'll put you in a real studio.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, hell yeah. I went to the big
Speaker 1: homies and told him what I wanted to do. I
Speaker 1: talked to Donkey Kong from PJ Watt shout out to
Speaker 1: shout out to my niggas from pj's Donkey Kong gave
Speaker 1: me you know, he hooked me up. I went to
Speaker 1: my big homie Ken, Big Ken Martin BK. He hooked
Speaker 1: me up, and I grind and grind and grind and grind.
Speaker 1: I was slinging on in the fifties, slanging in the
Speaker 1: Cadillac apartments, slanging in and flat in the flats, and
Speaker 1: I paid for my studio time. And what we would
Speaker 1: do is like I'll get six hours and I'll do
Speaker 1: four hours, and Lynch would help us. We had all
Speaker 1: my samples, like almost everything came from Percy, and then
Speaker 1: Lynch will be like, hey, we should do this or
Speaker 1: we should do that. But Lynch gave us the process.
Speaker 1: He sat there in the engineering chair with the engineer
Speaker 1: next to him and kind of made sure everything. He
Speaker 1: doctor drake my shit, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so the difference is I came out first because of
Speaker 1: I had access to money and I'm selling dope and
Speaker 1: I was on some gangs and shit, so I really
Speaker 1: was the baby.
Speaker 3: But I was just moving faster than everybody.
Speaker 1: And then bo came home while I was like halfway
Speaker 1: through psychoactives. So like Bo's first times in a real
Speaker 1: studio was with me going in there to work with me,
Speaker 1: work with Lynch and yeah, Lynch Lynch, Lynch was right there.
Speaker 1: So Boom. I ended up going to juvenile Hall on
Speaker 1: a joy ride. I'm joy riding. We was gonna go
Speaker 1: clap some shit up and we got pulled over. So
Speaker 1: I got a joy ride, the hommy got joy ride,
Speaker 1: the homey took a pistol, and the honey got a
Speaker 1: GTA Boom. I'll spend a weekend in juvenile Hall. My
Speaker 1: mam would come and get me Monday. And during that weekend.
Speaker 1: Big Meek actually was in Juvenile Hall with me, and
Speaker 1: Big Meek is like got the cut list, he got
Speaker 1: the staying, he got.
Speaker 2: The guy who helped finance.
Speaker 3: Yeah what Cedric was doing right right?
Speaker 1: And he Sebo's little brother, and so like, I'm on
Speaker 1: twenty third Street and bad bad in the gardens, which
Speaker 1: is really a red street. It's like going toward the
Speaker 1: blood side in twenty fourth Street right next to it, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm slanging coke at Tracy Butler House and Meek
Speaker 1: is right next door. I used to see him all
Speaker 1: the time, but they was. I always thought this nigga
Speaker 1: is a grown ass man. So I found out he
Speaker 1: was a kid when I went to Juvenile Hall and
Speaker 1: the nigga was in there and I was rapping and shit.
Speaker 1: So people don't know who x Rate it is because
Speaker 1: my cover was drawn by brother Lynch and it was like,
Speaker 1: well I didn't that wasn't even my name. I had
Speaker 1: just said it in a line and a rap and
Speaker 1: people just started calling me ax rated, like how Scarface
Speaker 1: got his name?
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: Lynch was like, nah, I gotta be r AI D
Speaker 1: E D And he drew my first logo and drew
Speaker 1: my first cover. So that shit is on consignment and
Speaker 1: Tower Records. I'm in Juvenile Hall and I'm spitting rhymes
Speaker 1: and shit and it's like, Nigga.
Speaker 3: You asked Righted.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, he was like, Nigga, this is
Speaker 1: what we gotta do. Blah blah blah. So me Meek
Speaker 1: had been looking for me. So I go home and
Speaker 1: I on a humbug reach out to Meek. We ended
Speaker 1: up rolling all over to town, me and my met
Speaker 1: of you brother, and we just he started paying for
Speaker 1: every motherfucker thing, and then you know, he kind of
Speaker 1: put us with Cedric, so we was in the thick
Speaker 1: of it. By the time. I literally had ten out
Speaker 1: of eleven songs for Psychoactive done the day we met
Speaker 1: with Cedric Wo. So I made one song. I made
Speaker 1: that Sickness, the last song on the album, was the
Speaker 1: only song left and Meek had. We did the first
Speaker 1: six by ourselves, and Lynch got involved, and then the
Speaker 1: next five happened with Meek and Lynch and all the
Speaker 1: way involved, and that was that was how we ended
Speaker 1: up taking that shit to Cedric. But so when you
Speaker 1: get locked up, Lynch is still with you throughout the
Speaker 1: whole yeah, he wrapped the whole time like we just
Speaker 1: always was together when it when it musically. When we
Speaker 1: came for twenty four Deep, Lynch called him. You know,
Speaker 1: I had me do the verses and shit, I called Lynch. Rather,
Speaker 1: he had me do the little little part of the
Speaker 1: verse for on the answer machine. He said my name
Speaker 1: everywhere he did five me really in it. And then
Speaker 1: I go from that to Season of the Sickness. So
Speaker 1: Season of the Sickness was actually the name of my
Speaker 1: Exorcist album. See, I had been working on what would
Speaker 1: be So I was going from Psychoactive to Season of
Speaker 1: the Sickness. That was my plan. And when I got
Speaker 1: locked up, I think like I was dead. Really, I
Speaker 1: was gone. It's like this niggas facing the death penalty.
Speaker 2: It is for sure. So I'm gone, Why all count
Speaker 2: your life's over?
Speaker 1: And Exorcist is like this mythological thing that nobody believes
Speaker 1: is real, you know what I mean. And so I'm like,
Speaker 1: or what Season of the Sickness? So I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna do Season of the Sickness. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. I'm talking to Cedric. I'm kind of telling Lynch.
Speaker 1: I'm blessing rhymes on the phone with Lynch and shit.
Speaker 1: And so before I get the game from mac dre
Speaker 1: and I start recording what became got renamed the Exorcists.
Speaker 1: They made they titled Lynch's album Season of the Sickness,
Speaker 1: and so that is how that happened. But that was
Speaker 1: that was one hundred percent the name of what people
Speaker 1: now know as Exorcists.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, like, like when you guys would was there
Speaker 2: like a conscious effort to make sure that the content
Speaker 2: was extremely dark and edgy and like kind of crazy
Speaker 2: at times?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that me as in MC originally initially
Speaker 1: were picking all that up.
Speaker 2: Can we be it's funnest, funny, funny, my bad.
Speaker 1: So you end up in a circumstance where uh, where
Speaker 1: were were we at the Season of the Sickness? The
Speaker 1: co conscious effort to make crazy shit. So we end
Speaker 1: up doing where I have n w A straight out
Speaker 1: of Compton and n W A Niggas for Life. And
Speaker 1: they started getting a little extreme for sure, to kill
Speaker 1: a hooker, to kill a prostitute easy, he was a
Speaker 1: little extreme for sure.
Speaker 3: And then the ghetto boy joes hell extreme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like my playing tricks on me was like a
Speaker 2: real like dark record. Low kis like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, grip it on that other level. It was
Speaker 2: a dark album.
Speaker 1: The entire album was tricky, and so you had Chucky,
Speaker 1: you had all of that going on, and so we
Speaker 1: end up in a circumstance where we were influenced by that,
Speaker 1: you know, and I know about Sean, I know about gangs,
Speaker 1: the nip, you know, it's people doing ship, and so
Speaker 1: we were we were we kind of mixing this game
Speaker 1: banging ship with that crazy ship. And I was deliberate.
Speaker 1: So me and Lynch kind of got into this thing,
Speaker 1: met him and six of who could say the wildest ship.
Speaker 1: It just was really us amongst ourselves because you know,
Speaker 1: I with the nigga nuts and guts, I came up
Speaker 1: with that, and Lynch just was like he came up
Speaker 1: with this baby killer ship and six. So we kind
Speaker 1: of just humans and ship. Lynch Lynch did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what was the the you better pray
Speaker 2: when't you see we put that down up? We were
Speaker 2: talking about feed this kid someone else's Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah we did. And I think that's where
Speaker 1: the fracture happened where Lynch Lynch kept going extreme, and
Speaker 1: I maybe because of my circumstances winning to some gangster shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you also like couldn't be talking about certain shit.
Speaker 2: And then someone the jail, here's the shit, like, yo,
Speaker 2: you want that crazy shit dog like you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I wasn't impacted by that.
Speaker 1: I was. I think we we had we diverted in intent.
Speaker 1: I think because I was writing fantastical songs all the
Speaker 1: way up until we got to Duce Fat of Life
Speaker 1: got it. So I was still in that psychology. But
Speaker 1: when it got to the point to start my trial,
Speaker 1: it was a sober thing. I got splashed through the
Speaker 1: cold bucket of water. So now you got that's where
Speaker 1: I show up as an individual. So now Due Fat
Speaker 1: of Life is the first Honorey Brown song. That's the
Speaker 1: first song I wrote without a character when I wasn't
Speaker 1: in a character, even if it was informed by my
Speaker 1: life experiences, and sure it still was for sure, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So Due fot of Life happened.
Speaker 1: Then I write Deadly Game, then I write Missaying to
Speaker 1: p Then ILL write Land of the Loss. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I started going in a different I
Speaker 1: became more and Scarface did this too, and that helped me, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Scarface became Brad Jordan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he moved more. He merged Brad Jordan's Scarface, right,
Speaker 1: and then also like what.
Speaker 2: He started to do on his own was very different
Speaker 2: than what you would hear with the Ghetto Game exactly.
Speaker 1: And I was inspired by that as an MC because
Speaker 1: I wanted to where am I going, you know, And
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Ice Cube, I'm looking at Scarface. Here
Speaker 1: comes Tupac, I got Here's Eve forty, you got Spice one.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at everybody, and I'm like, what am I doing?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And I wanted I just I wanted to be dope
Speaker 3: as fuck.
Speaker 1: And the ingredients to that to me was I had
Speaker 1: to get into I gotta start telling some of this shit,
Speaker 1: this the truth, right, you know what.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm going through that's on my brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I moved myself and other people into that direction.
Speaker 1: You know, Bo was always because of why having issues
Speaker 1: with the police. He always had a of a militant
Speaker 1: thing going, you know, he was super ice Cube influenced,
Speaker 1: and so he had a little bit of that militant
Speaker 1: thing going. And then I ended up politics popped into
Speaker 1: my music because I was in a political pressure cooker. Also,
Speaker 1: you're reading a lot a lot, yeah, and under attack
Speaker 1: by the media and watching Time Warner, watching all these
Speaker 1: cultural things and feeling stuff about it, and it started
Speaker 1: pouring into my music.
Speaker 3: And that was where me and Lynch diverted.
Speaker 1: That went in different directly musically, Yeah, yeah, philosophically.
Speaker 2: For sure, you get out, you end up. Well, it's
Speaker 2: crazy that your first strange album was last year, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: It well, yeah, how big of a moment was it
Speaker 2: for you to because Tech nine is somebody who was
Speaker 2: probably just starting to get active when you went to prison,
Speaker 2: because he was coming out to LA doing the wake
Speaker 2: Up Show. I want to say, what was the soundtrack
Speaker 2: he was on, Richie Gang related? Yeah, yeah, exactly, and
Speaker 2: then this strange music thing comes and it's kind of
Speaker 2: like a new version of what like black Market was
Speaker 2: like in the early nineties. Said, and then he ends
Speaker 2: up kind of becoming like the I mean not kind
Speaker 2: of quite literally, like changing the game for independent artists
Speaker 2: and the biggest independent rapper ever. How like aware and
Speaker 2: hip are you to what text doing? I'm sure you're
Speaker 2: hearing about it through Brian or through Brother Lynch, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: but to get out connect with him, Like, how aware
Speaker 2: were you of the Strange music I guess legacy that
Speaker 2: was being built while you were incarcerated.
Speaker 1: I watched the whole thing happen. I watched all of that.
Speaker 1: I watched the when he popped up with devastatingly with questions.
Speaker 1: He had already been through the quest thing. You know,
Speaker 1: different groups he was a part of.
Speaker 2: Earlier Exangelic and that's the whole era and like almost
Speaker 2: like a similar thing where like we've seen Tech kind
Speaker 2: of grow from being like the crazy guy with the
Speaker 2: face paint and then like you know, kind of like
Speaker 2: like he's kind of brought us into like who he
Speaker 2: is a lot more over the l of the years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, even while I was there, when I left
Speaker 1: black Market, I would have wanted to be as strange.
Speaker 1: I remember having an interaction with Dave Warner in like
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine or twenty ten. I don't think
Speaker 1: I forgave him for that until like twenty nineteen or
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, where he essentially said that minus being able
Speaker 1: to tour and not being able to do videos, that
Speaker 1: my music coming out on Strange Music wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: He couldn't see the potential value in that. But that
Speaker 1: he saw in terms of this had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with dopeness, but had something to do with the inability
Speaker 1: to finish it, which was true. You know from a
Speaker 1: fantastical place in there. You don't know what you don't know,
Speaker 1: and how much goes in it is and that was
Speaker 1: I was big boys. Shit. I think what I was
Speaker 1: doing was to keep my sanity. I was writing and
Speaker 1: making music to keep my sanity. Is almost cute looking
Speaker 1: back on it now, Shit, I wish I never recorded
Speaker 1: because I could could record him. Now I got twenty
Speaker 1: year old song on a Prayer and Hell my last album,
Speaker 1: that is one of the dopest songs on THEREZ some
Speaker 1: shit I wrote in oh two. It's like two songs
Speaker 1: on there from two thousand and two and two thousand
Speaker 1: and three, the life sentences and to whom it may concern,
Speaker 1: And it's like I wish I had a held on
Speaker 1: of that. But at the time Dave Warner had did.
Speaker 1: His response to us was he didn't think that would
Speaker 1: be something that we could could we could start the game,
Speaker 1: but couldn't finish it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting tour the touring aspect is.
Speaker 1: So important to yes, being in that machine. Now I
Speaker 1: understand exactly that that was the literal truth at the time.
Speaker 1: I think Dave was responsible responsible for strange music West.
Speaker 1: He was working right under Traves, the man making the
Speaker 1: decisions as strange music at the time regarding you know
Speaker 1: anything that was happening mostly with the West Coast artists
Speaker 1: and uh so Brian Shafting. Like two years later, it
Speaker 1: gives me the deal with RBC, and you know, I'll
Speaker 1: drop some music and stuff and I'm paying attention to
Speaker 1: take a drive.
Speaker 3: I see, I can see everything. It's my business.
Speaker 1: I have my little football team and I'm watching the
Speaker 1: bigger football teams, and like.
Speaker 2: Do you get access to YouTube and like double XL
Speaker 2: and all that shit in there, Like yeah, we get
Speaker 2: double XL.
Speaker 1: We had all the magazine so I could see Murder Dog.
Speaker 1: Like I'm twenty eleven, Me and Tech are on the
Speaker 1: cover of the Murder Dog together, so like I'm he
Speaker 1: has a Murder Dog magazine in his house with me
Speaker 1: my face on it next to it, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So like it was like that I
Speaker 1: was aware. We were all aware of each other, and
Speaker 1: we know who too's dope, so they knew I was dope.
Speaker 1: And then I come home and I think the June eleventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, I fly to Kansas City, me and Lynch,
Speaker 1: and it really started with a dispute between Lynch and
Speaker 1: Tech that ended up kind of turning into a little
Speaker 1: bit of back and forth a little bit, and people got.
Speaker 3: Too excited about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. I got a habit of jump
Speaker 1: in in front of bullets for Lynch, and I just
Speaker 1: was like, I feel like everybody need to just mind
Speaker 1: their business. If you got pomp pomps, you cheering for
Speaker 1: potential Lynch and Tech nine beef, then I'm not fucking
Speaker 1: with you no more. So I'm watching. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: all of y'allf y'all doing. Let them to handle their
Speaker 1: business and stay out of it. Because everybody wanted to
Speaker 1: all of a sudden pile in on Lynch. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just always I take phase on behalf of Lynch
Speaker 1: my entire career. I've always done it. I've always been
Speaker 1: the one either saying, hey man, that's my brother. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They can't have cav Lynch ain't
Speaker 1: want it. Ain't Lynch ain't trying to bother nobody, and
Speaker 1: ain't nobody about to be bothering him. Were not going
Speaker 1: for that, And so that's it just kind of I
Speaker 1: did that, and Tex saw it, and he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, bro broh and we go see each
Speaker 1: other man much love. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know, I just acknowledged him, like I feel you
Speaker 1: and thank you and blah blah blah. Because and so
Speaker 1: I got Lynch a bag to go to KC. I
Speaker 1: got a decent bag. We flew out, my brother Knox
Speaker 1: with me, Eric. We all fly out there and me
Speaker 1: and Lynch, dude, we go to the show. My phone
Speaker 1: started blowing up, people like, man, Tech is trying to
Speaker 1: get a hold of you. Ironically, all these crips I
Speaker 1: call them technologe crips. How I know that about technologe crips,
Speaker 1: people will underestimate that Tech nowin got all these crips
Speaker 1: and bloods that fuck with him for real.
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, who the fuck is you know?
Speaker 1: Man? You going to the barbecuters. The crips were throwing
Speaker 1: the barbecue, you hear? And Tech one to note because
Speaker 1: he's gonna pull up, and I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm tough them to call me or something or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't even believe this shit. So I'm in my suite.
Speaker 1: I keep doing what I'm doing, and then Tris called me,
Speaker 1: and I love Trids, so I was like, what's up, bro?
Speaker 3: He's like, where are you going to eat?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm about to hit this place
Speaker 1: blah blah blah in the a little while, and Trick's like, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pull up at fifteen. Tech could be there
Speaker 1: in thirty. I was like, all right, so we all
Speaker 1: mob over there. We sitting down chilling, and Tris walked
Speaker 1: through the door and then boom, Tech walked up in
Speaker 1: that motherfucker and he gave me.
Speaker 3: He said, I told you I was going to see you.
Speaker 3: Gave me a hug.
Speaker 1: We sat down, had a meal, chopped it up, vibed out,
Speaker 1: spitching bars and just you know, had fun, had a
Speaker 1: good night. And he excused himself and he popped back
Speaker 1: and I can hear him walking up like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: really good people, really good energy man. And there I
Speaker 1: just think you should meet him. And he hands me
Speaker 1: the fall and it was Travis and uh, Trav's like,
Speaker 1: what you're doing Monday? Man? And I was like, shit,
Speaker 1: whatever you want me to be doing Monday, you know,
Speaker 1: because we were getting the fuck out of here. We
Speaker 1: got the bag. We were like we're we're going to Vegas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, he was like all right, So Monday
Speaker 1: we re changed our flights and shit and kicked it
Speaker 1: that weekend and uh, that weekend changed my life. Man.
Speaker 1: I met the mother and both my children that weekend. Wow,
Speaker 1: I met I met Tech nine. Because Trav wants us
Speaker 1: to come Monday, I actually am running around Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I meet the mother and my children. I go to
Speaker 1: that meeting with Travis blows my mind. We spent four
Speaker 1: hours touring Strange music and still didn't see it all.
Speaker 1: So to put that in perspective, he took us on
Speaker 1: a tour of the facility. It took four hours and
Speaker 1: we still didn't see all of the building. Right.
Speaker 3: Still it's that big.
Speaker 1: And so we're all like, okay, all right, you know,
Speaker 1: and jump on the plane go back to Vegas. Like man,
Speaker 1: it's just something to think about. And Tech came to Vegas,
Speaker 1: flew out to see me. He really was doing him
Speaker 1: in Vegas. But the homies started calling me this nigga.
Speaker 1: So people starting to see pictures and shit of me
Speaker 1: and Tech together, and so this nigga's walking through the mall,
Speaker 1: this girl and my phone start blowing up. People like, man,
Speaker 1: your boy just walking around them all out here, like
Speaker 1: you know, and we don't motherfuckers don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: What should we do? I was like, just make sure
Speaker 1: he's straight. So I called Tech was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: but like this is the fifth time somebody told me
Speaker 1: you was walking around them. All niggas could call me
Speaker 1: one hundred times. They could call niggas with that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be called. So like, I'm at the homies just gonna
Speaker 1: follow you around them all. So if you see some
Speaker 1: niggas that they with me and it's good. And he
Speaker 1: was like okay, he's like I was wondering about that. Man,
Speaker 1: These crip niggas kept looking at me. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: in Vegas, and so the hommies stayed with him, and
Speaker 1: you know, we just kind of hung out on their phone's,
Speaker 1: minding their business while he shopped with his girl and
Speaker 1: got him out of there, and then I ended up
Speaker 1: pulling up at the Aria. We hung out, had a
Speaker 1: great meal, and you know, I did some shit for
Speaker 1: the birthday, for his lady's birthday.
Speaker 3: I go back, he goes out.
Speaker 1: Trave flies in tech calls me, hey, man, my partner's
Speaker 1: coming to Vegas to do some business. But he's there
Speaker 1: to see you. He's like, I don't care what he says.
Speaker 1: Travis came to Vegas to see you, bro. He's like,
Speaker 1: tell him what you need, tell him how you need it.
Speaker 1: Let's get this done. I need you with me. I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, cool, So sure enough, Trav lands.
Speaker 1: He comes to my building, he sits, he sits down,
Speaker 1: talks with my business partners. I put him with the
Speaker 1: city manager, the deputy city manager to talk about a
Speaker 1: few things that we're doing in Vegas, and we had
Speaker 1: all kind of shit going on. So Trav left all
Speaker 1: of that feeling like I love what you're doing. He
Speaker 1: talked to me. He told me, I love what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna pull this off, but it's gonna take
Speaker 1: you longer than it needs too. I want to fast
Speaker 1: forward you. I want to hit fast forward over for you.
Speaker 1: So let's it's all right. Cool boom text sing me
Speaker 1: a song. I gave other artist semi songs. I ended
Speaker 1: up getting the Asonine Tour and drav sat me down.
Speaker 1: Boom Boom signed my deal. You know, he went back
Speaker 1: and forth the lawyer. Boom got my contract the way
Speaker 1: it needed to be went, did the Asonin tour, got
Speaker 1: my chain at at Red Rocks in front of ten
Speaker 1: thousand people. Man crazy on a stage. Michael Jackson been
Speaker 1: on the Beatles.
Speaker 2: You know, one of the most legendary venues in the world.
Speaker 3: Insane.
Speaker 1: So like all of that happened, and yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: been it's just been a beautiful thing. So that weekend
Speaker 1: and like the twelfth of June twenty one, I ended
Speaker 1: up taking Lynch to a meeting until we went to
Speaker 1: jack Stackson. We had a big old table and take
Speaker 1: all these people showed up and so come to find out,
Speaker 1: you know, Tech's Sun is a huge X rated and
Speaker 1: brother Lynch, I'm fan. We're his favorite rappers. Crazy, it's nuts.
Speaker 1: So Tech's son came other members of his family. We
Speaker 1: all broke bread, bro Knox and Eric all of them
Speaker 1: with me and let you Tech out to discuss They shit,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Niggas gave each other a
Speaker 1: Hug said they loved each other and you know, and
Speaker 1: that was how we resolved that. And Tech just really
Speaker 1: respected that shit. He was like, man, that was some
Speaker 1: dope ass shit. He's like, I really appreciate that. And
Speaker 1: we've just been thugging it out on some g shit
Speaker 1: ever since. I love him. I love technok ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: That's my dogg guy. Man, that's my dude. I fuck
Speaker 1: with him and I fuck with Travis. The long way
Speaker 1: Drive to me is a genius. I've been in the
Speaker 1: room with a lot of people, you know, who do
Speaker 1: think well, and this motherfucker is a genius.
Speaker 3: Dave Warner is a genius.
Speaker 1: You know, Brian Shafting, this group of people who all
Speaker 1: kind of circulate each other, Mark Markoff and you know,
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of them and there's some brilliance involved
Speaker 1: in that shit.
Speaker 3: And I just marvel at it.
Speaker 1: And Travis stood on ten toes about me, and I
Speaker 1: really appreciate that about him, and my relationship with technis
Speaker 1: phenomenal and I love it.
Speaker 2: Man, can you I want to talk about Sack for
Speaker 2: a sec because I have a great relationship with Mazzi,
Speaker 2: who I know has had friction with certain artists over
Speaker 2: the years. I think he might have friction with Brother
Speaker 2: Lynch at a certain point in time. I know he
Speaker 2: had some friction with Cebo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I put that. I didn't allow that to the
Speaker 1: Lynch thing. I was like, nah, man, you know I
Speaker 1: talked to Lynch.
Speaker 2: Well, I know Manzi to be like a great guy,
Speaker 2: and he's got a great team like Dave dave O,
Speaker 2: and you know, he's one of the new faces of
Speaker 2: the West Coast. And he's obviously a very talented guy.
Speaker 2: Have you guys had any opportunity to conversate.
Speaker 3: Or we've had interactions I sent him.
Speaker 1: I remember after that thing happened where it was like,
Speaker 1: I'm I think the comment was, I'm funking with Cibo,
Speaker 1: I'm funking with a brother Lynch, I'm funking with an
Speaker 1: x rit it and you know, it pitsed some people off,
Speaker 1: It ruffled some feathers that he worded it that way,
Speaker 1: and uh that was kind of me and ce Bo's
Speaker 1: disagreement that we ended up having was really over the
Speaker 1: fact that I stood on what I believed in regard
Speaker 1: to what my intention to say.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and that also like that's how he talks like,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think. I don't think that was
Speaker 2: meant in a disrespectful way.
Speaker 1: It was not. It was not meant a disrespectful way
Speaker 1: in my humble opinion. And I remember saying like, I'm
Speaker 1: on Facebook. I jumped on Facebook. I'm in the pen.
Speaker 1: But I go on Facebook and say, hey, man, uh,
Speaker 1: is it possible for me to be funking with a
Speaker 1: kid who might have been five when I left the streets,
Speaker 1: if he was alive at all. We've never been on
Speaker 1: the yard, So can it be how is it possible
Speaker 1: I'm funking? Or was it him? If he prefaced this
Speaker 1: statement with just like I gotta respect what they did
Speaker 1: and their genom for their era, they gotta respect what
Speaker 1: I did. In mind, so I felt like he was
Speaker 1: identifying as standard because the question was essentially why was
Speaker 1: he so dupe? And his answer was because we're dope.
Speaker 1: That was what he was fucking saying. And that's how
Speaker 1: I took it. And so when I said that I
Speaker 1: know Mazi, even with all his people and who could
Speaker 1: feel something about that, he were posted reposted what I
Speaker 1: said and threw one hundreds across it. I said, Mazzi
Speaker 1: know every word in Macafam Malama Mazzi's first album Covers
Speaker 1: is honored a tribute to my first album cover. First
Speaker 1: time they saw him with the fingers to the head.
Speaker 1: What is that guy? Yet?
Speaker 3: We have it man, We've just the DM exchange.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I told him what I thought about.
Speaker 1: I told him about how I was the most disrespectful
Speaker 1: rapper in the history of Sacramento. So you have a
Speaker 1: blood dominated city who had itself being represented by crip
Speaker 1: rappers for nationally yeah, international identity.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was hey cebo X rated brother Lynch.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Tiloni were the predominant. And I was super
Speaker 1: disrespectful in my music regard to other sets and the
Speaker 1: Psychoactive Exorcists. It was very much gangee. And then I
Speaker 1: got to unforgiven. And I remember I had a conversation
Speaker 1: with a brother for Oak Park who told me, Man,
Speaker 1: we love your music, ex if you would let us,
Speaker 1: if you would let us, Man, we'll slap your shit
Speaker 1: if you would let us. And so I was like, damn, So,
Speaker 1: who is y'all new booty nass niggas, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I'm like, we're twenty fourth Street criit. But
Speaker 1: even Blood Niggas God Does and my shitting stud niggas
Speaker 1: in the South Side and slam X righty local. When
Speaker 1: they all riding, I started kind of allowing people to
Speaker 1: be able to bump my music if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: It was a deliberate thing, and so I kind of
Speaker 1: I dropped that on MASI y'all just said, I feel
Speaker 1: like I didn't have anybody to tell me this, but
Speaker 1: a lot more people could be receptive to your music
Speaker 1: if you let them. And if you can not do
Speaker 1: these things or if I could have not done those things,
Speaker 1: it would have done this for my career. And so
Speaker 1: that was really the.
Speaker 2: Last I think he's did a good job of doing
Speaker 2: that too. Real. Yeah, I think so because I think, like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's one thing about him, like just knowing
Speaker 2: him as well as I do, just like his personal evolutions.
Speaker 2: I met him in twenty seventeen, right, and it was
Speaker 2: like he used to come to the radio station on
Speaker 2: like fifty dudes. Yeah, and now when he comes he's
Speaker 2: got a tight crew, he's about his business, he stays
Speaker 2: out the way, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: So I just think it would be dope to have
Speaker 2: you guys have some sort of shit, do a song together.
Speaker 3: Man, it's inevitable.
Speaker 1: What I would. I don't I think music. I think
Speaker 1: music is a secondary thing. I would, and I'm not
Speaker 1: opposed to that being an outcome of the other thing.
Speaker 3: But if it need to just be.
Speaker 1: An organic dialogue or organic because right now, my whole
Speaker 1: neighborhood is united, all of it. We got some stuff
Speaker 1: we gotta deal with, but me cbo Lynch, Looney Nutty
Speaker 1: or all together, and that block movement project is gonna happen.
Speaker 3: That's happening. And so from the perspective of what's best.
Speaker 1: For Sacramento, like, come on, bro, we can't celebrate the
Speaker 1: nigga brought a Grammy home. He brought a Grammy to Sacramento.
Speaker 1: You can't fake goosebumps, bro. But like a nigga from
Speaker 1: where we farm when won a Super Bowl while we going,
Speaker 1: I gotta act like I didn't just I don't think
Speaker 1: that's dope, Like, get the fuck out of here. The
Speaker 1: Black Panthers soundtrack was to me as an MC from
Speaker 1: my hometown and a OG from my hometown. That nigga
Speaker 1: being on a Black Panther soundtrack, I thought that was
Speaker 1: dope for sure, him having Kendrick acknowledge him while he
Speaker 1: just one fucking rap album of the Year on the
Speaker 1: stage at the Grammys. I was watching that with a
Speaker 1: burrito and I was like, oh shit, Like I thought
Speaker 1: that was dope. This is what the fuck? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: Are we doing a bunch of rappers rapping for each
Speaker 1: other in the hood or are we trying to penetrate
Speaker 1: the pantheon? Are we trying to get to Mount Rushmore?
Speaker 1: Are we trying to get to Mount Olympics. I just
Speaker 1: had Rock Kim post my shit, right, fuck we doing?
Speaker 1: And so I feel like if we can't get to
Speaker 1: the point of just even being able to say that
Speaker 1: human being from Sacramento, California just did some shit for
Speaker 1: us that happened really for us, that was we did that.
Speaker 1: Sacramento just smacked some hip hop shit. We just did
Speaker 1: some milestone type shit. I think you got it. That
Speaker 1: gotta be celebrated, And I think politics prevent a lot
Speaker 1: of things from being celebrated.
Speaker 2: That should be all over California.
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, but especially in Sacramento. And Cedric Singleton had
Speaker 1: a relationship and I don't not for me to say
Speaker 1: what their relationship continues to be. But from what Cedric
Speaker 1: has communicated to me, he loves Mazi. So for Cedric,
Speaker 1: the potential of like Cedric was the first one like
Speaker 1: hey man, you know I don't want you. I don't
Speaker 1: want you doing none of that. And he told me,
Speaker 1: you know that's my baby boy man, just like i've
Speaker 1: he's Cedric is runs oak Park. He not runs oak Park,
Speaker 1: but he came from oak Park, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: He runs red and is if he defaults and you say,
Speaker 1: it's smoke and we'll do you look around, see who's
Speaker 1: gonna pop up for Cedric. It's gonna be it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot of old Park and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 1: I'm a care and so we share a godfather. It's
Speaker 1: like Cedric saw j Prince in a way, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, he created him and Meek Meek is
Speaker 1: our here yo, Cedric saw Shug not, you know. So
Speaker 1: it's like we're not gonna play about that. The og
Speaker 1: heart would be broken if I was on some function
Speaker 1: in relation to Mazi.
Speaker 3: So I think it got played the way it got played.
Speaker 1: I've seen recent interviews where bol talked to Court about,
Speaker 1: you know how he felt like he just felt like
Speaker 1: it was a little bit too much and not enough
Speaker 1: respect involved in it. Everybody gotta speak for themselves. But
Speaker 1: what I think is the healthiest thing for Sacramento, California,
Speaker 1: and the healthiest thing for the kids watching right now,
Speaker 1: hoping that they got an opportunity to give get involved
Speaker 1: and be the next one to pop this ship off,
Speaker 1: that they know that they're gonna get this of the ogs.
Speaker 1: They gotta know that La Crips and Bloods get on
Speaker 1: stage October of twenty eleven and pass a torch to
Speaker 1: Kendrick Lamar who cries on stage and it's Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1: Corrupt the game, DJ Quick, Doctor Dre. They did that
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: Fast forward to Pop Out happens. Everybody's on stage.
Speaker 1: Man, we ain't understanding what the fuck we're doing? Is
Speaker 1: that Willie Lynch shit. It's a lot of reasons why, bro,
Speaker 1: But I'm like, what are we doing? Man? If I
Speaker 1: feel very strongly about that, what the fuck we doing? Bro?
Speaker 1: We're not gonna We're not gonna we gonna hate when
Speaker 1: it and it's real reasons. It's real reasons, so like
Speaker 1: to the indefense of even the homies, it's real reasons
Speaker 1: for bitterness on both sides, you know. But it's like,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna wait for who who, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: tip for tatted, this can't stop.
Speaker 2: It'll never stop.
Speaker 1: It can't stop because who's scoring as it's forever And
Speaker 1: some shit is like you know, some shit people just
Speaker 1: can't get over ain't gonna never get over. But in
Speaker 1: terms of hip hop what it means to the culture,
Speaker 1: I think a se Bow and a Masi having a
Speaker 1: conversation could be healthy for the culture. I think, you
Speaker 1: know myself, brother Lynchong, I think that this is the
Speaker 1: type of shit that I would like to organically occur,
Speaker 1: you know, with input from other people. But I think
Speaker 1: it would be devastating to the psychology of people who
Speaker 1: are waiting for their turn. I think it would be
Speaker 1: beautiful to inform them that they could choose better pathways
Speaker 1: than we did and and be supported. Maybe you we
Speaker 1: maybe we stand on the stage and we're giving the
Speaker 1: torch to the next motherfucker, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: For sure, Yeah, I think it's necessary. You're a new album.
Speaker 2: By the time this comes out, it'll be out.
Speaker 1: Yep. You know.
Speaker 2: The artwork's dope, Sit in Heaven, Thank You, your second
Speaker 2: album on strange. Yeah, what's the oldest song on this
Speaker 2: album that you write.
Speaker 1: You're in jail? Wow, that's a good question. Twenty four tracks?
Speaker 1: What do I got on there?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: So it's all new ship, new perspective, if you have
Speaker 2: a whole.
Speaker 1: New Can't Hold Us Down? I wrote can't hold Us
Speaker 1: Down in the pen about nine. I wrote that in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine in the pen, so that my
Speaker 1: my three track three, So track three was nine in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine in the penitentiary.
Speaker 2: Can you kind of give me? I mean you say
Speaker 2: twenty three tracks, twenty four twenty four tracks, that's damn
Speaker 2: near double album twenty two Street, which is.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four exits the twenty fourth letter I did
Speaker 1: twenty four years before All Earth Coming Home?
Speaker 2: Was this on purpose?
Speaker 1: Vers song is twenty four hundreds? Yeah, for sure, that's fire.
Speaker 2: That What about this album? Because I feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: putting out this is your second album in a year
Speaker 2: almost right year and a half.
Speaker 1: No, it just feels that way because it's been NonStop,
Speaker 1: Like I did, me and Tech, I cracking on as
Speaker 1: and nine and then you know, I had some splashes
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 2: The fucking music video you guys did that was like
Speaker 2: in the middle of the fucking sand.
Speaker 1: That's the one where I found was off parole, still
Speaker 1: right here. That shit was crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a beautiful experience.
Speaker 1: Man. That was the day I got off parole. We
Speaker 1: were filming with March first to twenty twenty two, me
Speaker 1: and Tech together making that video crazy. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: got that big moment that wasn't from an X rated album.
Speaker 1: And now my album starts coming right behind Tech because
Speaker 1: I'm in the cycle where it's almost I'm almost always
Speaker 1: sandwiched between what Tech is doing right, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's some shit him and Travis
Speaker 1: plotted on, which I would think that none of this
Speaker 1: shit is an accident, right, So, but but here comes
Speaker 1: Tech and they kind of always have me right behind that.
Speaker 1: So it's like race cars and I'm in his drag,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And no, Diddy, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean it's still wind and so yeah, you got
Speaker 1: still right here. You get to my album Stratosphere with
Speaker 1: me in Tech and then here's Tech coming back on
Speaker 1: Blue and I got knocked with him and Joiner Lucas
Speaker 1: and Conway, and then my album drops, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And then here comes Tech on Nuthouse and
Speaker 1: I'm on there. And then here comes my first single,
Speaker 1: Here comes roll Call for Collabos. I'm on their two
Speaker 1: point five million views, two million streams. Here comes my
Speaker 1: second single, King Crook rass Cast. Here comes another Tech single,
Speaker 1: I'm on their text Collabo's album drop, I got three
Speaker 1: songs on there, rock Him drops there, and then here
Speaker 1: comes my album. So yeah, it's like I never even
Speaker 1: though it's just one album in that calendar year, because
Speaker 1: we're over a year since my last album came out
Speaker 1: June second of twenty three, and uh, but I just
Speaker 1: was never not there. I've been there the whole time.
Speaker 2: Would you it feels like your life story should be
Speaker 2: a Netflix show or a movie or something. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think you need it right book. I'm sure you've probably
Speaker 2: probably started. I feel like, if you're in jail long enough,
Speaker 2: you've started to write a book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got that. I like that. Take your eye
Speaker 1: you like. I feel like I got to know you real.
Speaker 2: Quick, Like I feel like you got to at least
Speaker 2: half a book finish.
Speaker 1: I actually have three, so I have. I broke my
Speaker 1: autobiography into three parts, and so there's the life all
Speaker 1: the way up until I think it was where I
Speaker 1: stopped two thousand and two, and then there's twenty two
Speaker 1: to twenty twelve, and then there was twenty twelve, and
Speaker 1: I didn't know where to fuck the end. And I
Speaker 1: found out about sending bill to sixty and I was like,
Speaker 1: it's time for me to I put that stuff away
Speaker 1: and I started working on music still, but mostly was
Speaker 1: focused on getting out. So I spent six years, basically
Speaker 1: four years the equivalent of a college education, learning about
Speaker 1: what to do with board and how to do it board,
Speaker 1: and then two years in addition to that to get out.
Speaker 1: And that's how you get that twenty four years and
Speaker 1: me finding out knew I was going home. So I
Speaker 1: went from hopelessness to hope to maybe to thinking to
Speaker 1: believing I was getting out to.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty, where I knew it was happening. I was
Speaker 3: gotten neew, I was.
Speaker 1: Going to Yo.
Speaker 2: We've like politically, I'm certainly in the middle, I'm probably
Speaker 2: I don't know who I'm voting for, be honest, But
Speaker 2: there is this narrative that Kamala Harris locked up a
Speaker 2: lot of people in California. Yeah, but she also co
Speaker 2: sponsored the bill that freed you.
Speaker 1: Her name is Incentive Bill two sixty and then as
Speaker 1: attorney general, she could have fought that and so she
Speaker 1: you know, it's the Democratic Party pushing if people don't
Speaker 1: think that she had a hand in that, and that
Speaker 1: the Attorney general just was like, oh Okay, they're gonna
Speaker 1: let all the juveniles with life out and didn't defend it,
Speaker 1: didn't fight that at all, just like let it come in.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just curious, like from your perspective, somebody who's
Speaker 2: like well versed in the law and like obviously did
Speaker 2: a ton of research on what was going on politically
Speaker 2: in California that would affect people going getting freed or
Speaker 2: going in Do you feel like she is the hell
Speaker 2: she gets for the amount of people she quote unquote
Speaker 2: locked up? Is a fair affair criticism or do you
Speaker 2: feel like it's overstated.
Speaker 1: I think it's overstated. It's being exaggerated. Was she responsible
Speaker 1: for locking people up? She was the district attorney.
Speaker 2: Well, everybody who's the district attorney's going to be responsible.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter who right, right, And it's the district attorney,
Speaker 1: elected politician, district attorney in the courtroom and all these
Speaker 1: cases like come on, man, So with those of us
Speaker 1: who've been to court, know that the district attorney's not
Speaker 1: in here.
Speaker 3: It's it ADA or a DDA.
Speaker 1: It's a deputy district attorney or assistant district attorney in
Speaker 1: the room prosecuting the case. The figurehead district attorney that's
Speaker 1: running this office doesn't necessarily have nothing to do with
Speaker 1: all of that. But like, far be it for me
Speaker 1: to defend a district attorney. They locking people to fuck up,
Speaker 1: because that's what the fuck they do, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: So, I mean it's an economy too that comes with
Speaker 2: all of this. There is free labor, I mean, cheap labor,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call. It's once you start peeling
Speaker 2: the slavery, it's like, yeah, it's what it.
Speaker 1: Is, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's privatized prisons all over the country. There's
Speaker 2: a lobby for that. Yeah, it's good business to put
Speaker 2: more people in prison.
Speaker 1: And then you know, you end up in a circumstance
Speaker 1: where I say, if I can look at myself as say,
Speaker 1: I went from a seventeen year old game banger who
Speaker 1: thought it was perfectly appropriate to enter people's dwellings attempting
Speaker 1: to kill people, and then by the time I'm twenty five,
Speaker 1: I changed my life. And then at the age of
Speaker 1: thirty year old, thirty years old, I'm doing something completely different.
Speaker 1: By forty I got an AA degree and I'm majoring
Speaker 1: in psychology. I'm still locked up on my houmet and
Speaker 1: I'm ten million miles away from who that kid was, right,
Speaker 1: And I think we like to just keep people static.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, if you look at the whole
Speaker 1: career and see where it started changing, where did she
Speaker 1: start doing the programs for people who was coming home?
Speaker 3: Because there's plenty of information.
Speaker 1: Available that she was actually helping people will come home successfully.
Speaker 1: So it's like, it's hard if you feel like the
Speaker 1: people stabbing you are the ones yelling at you to
Speaker 1: stop bleeding, it's hard to say thank you when they
Speaker 1: stop stabbing you, right, like, thank you so much. So
Speaker 1: it's hard to say thank you, Kamala Harris for not
Speaker 1: stabbing us anymore. You know what, I mean, so it's
Speaker 1: a lot of people hesitant. But the truth of the
Speaker 1: matter is that that that party came into power when
Speaker 1: Jerry Brown got elected, and we saw immediate change in
Speaker 1: that environment. The grievance system, how to follow a complaint
Speaker 1: about it, something that you had going on. It needed
Speaker 1: to be dealt with real stuff, family physics, so you
Speaker 1: could go see your mother, the funeral arrangements and you
Speaker 1: want to real things. The processes that got implemented from
Speaker 1: between twenty eleven to being sworn in to twelve twenty thirteen, you.
Speaker 2: Saw the real change.
Speaker 1: We literally saw that shit like forty eight hours, go
Speaker 1: to sleep, wake up and it was like damn, and
Speaker 1: then go to sleep and wake up again and be
Speaker 1: like what the fuck different? The forms were different, the
Speaker 1: way the police training was different, the way they spoke
Speaker 1: to you was different. When the leadership changed, they fucking changed.
Speaker 1: We saw it.
Speaker 3: And so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm one of those people who understand that the people
Speaker 1: who caused the bleeding stopped the bleedings. And you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like the Republican Party, Pete Wilson had control
Speaker 1: of California, Pete Wilson and then put in the three
Speaker 1: strikes after the Tripoli class, they add a three percent
Speaker 1: parole grant rate when they took over, I think out
Speaker 1: of twenty four years to four of demo of Republican
Speaker 1: power in the state of California, going back as far
Speaker 1: as Duke Maging to Grey Davis finally getting in there.
Speaker 1: So Grey gets four years, gets re elected, get recalled,
Speaker 1: and they gave us determinated right. So in terms of
Speaker 1: like who he was stabbing us, there's a question about
Speaker 1: who was doing the stab it because the people who
Speaker 1: stop the bleeding aren't necessarily the people who were doing
Speaker 1: the stab And so I think that's the difference for
Speaker 1: me in my perspective of understanding that I want the
Speaker 1: person willing to do the most for the people who
Speaker 1: are still in the situations that I was in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think like at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, like if there's ever humans in our society,
Speaker 2: they get treated like second class citizens. It is people
Speaker 2: who are incarcerated, it's felons. Even when they get out,
Speaker 2: they gotta wear that. It's like a scarlet letter they
Speaker 2: got to wear every time they go do a fucking
Speaker 2: job interview. And now former president is.
Speaker 1: An ex felling ain't that something.
Speaker 2: Ain't that shit crazy?
Speaker 1: Ain't that crazy?
Speaker 2: Whether or not you think he should be a whole
Speaker 2: other discussion, right right, but technically he is.
Speaker 1: They're running for and running for the biggest job in
Speaker 1: the United States of America, in the world, the biggest
Speaker 1: job in the world.
Speaker 3: But somebody would have felt they want to go work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, I like, I don't think you should
Speaker 2: be a felon. I think they went after him like
Speaker 2: for sure, but he's still felon. So it's like now
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, guys, like weish really because I just
Speaker 2: feel like putting that shit on. I mean, obviously, if
Speaker 2: you own a business and you want to do your
Speaker 2: own background check before you hire somebody, that's on you.
Speaker 2: But like, I feel like that whole that box that
Speaker 2: you got to check on the application. Have you ever
Speaker 2: been convicted of a felony? It's just as soon as
Speaker 2: you hit yes, you're fucked. You're not getting the job.
Speaker 1: And now Gavin new Some gets rid of that too.
Speaker 2: For us, I think, man, well, Gavin news Some is
Speaker 2: a fucking chameleon.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's a fucking lizard person.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: He will do whatever he has to do to hold
Speaker 2: on to that power. He's a wild boy. Man that
Speaker 2: gave is a wild boy.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you know, it's an interesting world, for sure.
Speaker 1: I think that man, A lot of people have to
Speaker 1: make decisions based on what they think is gonna be
Speaker 1: gonna have the best outcome for as many people as
Speaker 1: possible as possibly fair. That's really what it comes down to.
Speaker 1: And I want people in my former circumstance is to
Speaker 1: have a legitimate opportunity to get their laws together, rehabilitate,
Speaker 1: get out, be productive in the country. We're the only
Speaker 1: developed country left in the world that actually takes citizenship
Speaker 1: from people like you can't vote anymore, right, not being
Speaker 1: able to vote, your rights agains, search and seizure, your
Speaker 1: constitutional rights actually get taken from you and you essentially
Speaker 1: almost can't get them back. Whereas anywhere if you go
Speaker 1: to Germany, Germany out pacing us in this regard, you
Speaker 1: get in trouble, you get incarcerated, you get rehabilitated, and
Speaker 1: they reintegrate you into society, so you're fully restored, and
Speaker 1: they're saying, go be a member of society, integrate, participate
Speaker 1: in the game. Play the game. We're gonna teach you
Speaker 1: what the game is. Maybe you didn't know, this is
Speaker 1: what the game is. We get a good education, you
Speaker 1: got a job, maybe you build a business. That's your choice,
Speaker 1: but these are the options. And you go and integrate
Speaker 1: and get your money and take care of your family
Speaker 1: and mind your business, and that's it. And our country
Speaker 1: we get you into our system because our criminal justice
Speaker 1: system was created to replace the loss of economic power.
Speaker 1: They got a slavery which was not abolished, it was modified,
Speaker 1: and slavery is hereby abolished ironically in these United States
Speaker 1: of America, except it's punished for punishment for those duly
Speaker 1: convicted of a crime, not felingy, not misdemean.
Speaker 2: No, it's just been rebranded for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they changed slavery from working in the field, you know,
Speaker 1: and now you can grow itams and spirituals. To any
Speaker 1: of you poor motherfuckers. You wanted to fight over this,
Speaker 1: You motherfuckers wanted to fight about it. You wanted some
Speaker 1: of this, then any of you, you poor motherfuckers, then
Speaker 1: can come on over there, go commit a crime, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you fifty million reasons to do it too,
Speaker 1: because this is you're hungry out here, and this shit
Speaker 1: is expensive. It's crazy right now, and you can't get
Speaker 1: a job. Vagrancy loss. This machine was literally created to
Speaker 1: supplement or to replace money that America was losing as
Speaker 1: a result of the so called abolition of slavery. They
Speaker 1: created another labor force to go do work. There was
Speaker 1: no proud man that wanted to go the white your
Speaker 1: poorest white man was too proud to go pick cotton
Speaker 1: right and not picking a fucking cotton. Fuck you think
Speaker 1: this is so who's gonna do it right? So we
Speaker 1: gotta put you motherfuckers back in jail. I'll put you
Speaker 1: in jail, and now I can put you back in
Speaker 1: the field.
Speaker 2: Shit's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's simple.
Speaker 2: Well listen, man, your album is out. Like I said,
Speaker 2: by the time people watch this, it'll be out, So
Speaker 2: go get the album. I'm sure tours coming soon because
Speaker 2: that's how you guys do a red Strange the tours
Speaker 2: always yeah, were.
Speaker 1: About to run around. It's gonna be a whole lot
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Speaker 3: That's out.
Speaker 1: It should be out already all this should be the
Speaker 1: night really and tomorrow morning. So yeah, man, Ali, Ali Oxen,
Speaker 1: Free Myself, Tech nine T, Nutty bleedz all. I hope
Speaker 1: y'all enjoying that at Send in Heaven is a phenomenal album.
Speaker 1: I really wanted motherfuckers like you to be proud of it.
Speaker 1: I want Voter like it. I want MIZI to like it.
Speaker 1: I want niggas to like it. I want rock him
Speaker 1: to like it. I want Tech that I know Tech
Speaker 1: likes it. I made an album. I made some hip
Speaker 1: hop music that's up and we're doing what we're doing
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 2: Well go get it. I appreciate to sit down. Finally, man,
Speaker 2: and it's doe X rated boom