WEBVTT - #469 - X-Raided 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.440 What's up, everybody, it's your boy. X write is Strange 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:05.400 music in the building. Check me out on the Bootleg 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:12.680 cav podcast Bootleg cap Podcast. Man Special guests in here. 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:15.239 After begging for him to come on the show for 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.279 four fucking years, it feels like every time I see 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:18.479 this guy at an event, I'd be like, YEO, what 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:19.400 the fuck? Man? What the fuck? 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:19.600 Man? 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:21.239 Yeah, I got you, I got you, I got you. Well, 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.520 he's finally here. X Rated is here. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.840 Hey, man, I appreciate you. I always wanted to. I 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:28.920 wanted to come when. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:29.680 I was off parole. 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:32.320 That was a big deal for me, and also I 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.239 wanted to make sure that I had some product lined up. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.560 I knew what I was working on, I knew what 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:39.840 my mission was, and I still was trying to figure 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.280 it out. Honestly, I viewed you as you were, you 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.040 on my list your goals, so I just was like, man, 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:49.600 I have to I'm not ready. I'm not ready. I'm 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.800 not ready. And then bowl here you are and it's 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:52.880 organic and it's dope. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.040 First of all, when did you get off probation or 0:00:57.080 --> 0:00:57.720 parole or whatever. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.640 I got off parole on March first, and then half 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.800 a million dollar video with Tech nine. We stopped to 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.480 eat lunch and I got my phone checking, you know, 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.479 because we had our phone city side, and I got 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.520 an email while I was holding the phone. I click 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.840 on it and it's like my po like, hey man, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.120 congratulations you offer life for parole. Because I was on 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.880 life parole, wasn't on smoke some weed and they overcrowded. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.360 They don't got nowhere to put you parole, life parole. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.640 I was on life for parol. So when I got out, 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.440 I was still a lifer, and you're still a lifeer 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.080 during parole. So you run around light that cop having 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.319 a bad morning. You go right back to prison with 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.200 a life sentence as a lifer, and they'll see you 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.920 when they want to to figure out whether or not 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.280 you should be released or kept. Yeah, so that was 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.840 the experience I was having, Damn. Yeah. So March first, 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.720 twenty twenty two, I got off and I kind of 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:55.720 you know, turned in my album. Had to figure out 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.120 now I could live where I want to live, had 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.120 to figure that out, get situated, get an album out 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.520 the way that just kind of let me wrap this 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.320 up real quick. And so this album is kind of 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:11.320 more of a deliberate result of those outcomes and being free. Yo. 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:14.079 It's crazy because like when I was growing up as 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.320 a young kid, I remember discovering you through Brother Lynch, 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.360 so I was a season of the Sickness is like 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.080 one of my favorite albums ever. Shout to Brother Lynch, 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.520 fucking classic album. Indeed, I've played it on the podcast 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.280 for many people. I'm like, you don't understand. There was 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.040 this guy who used to talk about eating babies when 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.960 I was a kid, and I believe them, and they 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.120 used to freak me the fuck out. Yeah, I'd be 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.760 listening to Brother Lynch by playing Resident Evil just fucked 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.160 up childhood, you know what I mean, Yeah, fucking killing 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.760 zombies while this dude is talking about fucking killing babies. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:42.160 Wow. 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:46.239 Anyway, shot to Brother Lynch. He's a legend pioneer of 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.800 horrorcore hip hop too. But like I dived into like 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:53.880 what you were doing, and then like me and my 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.040 homie Rams, this used to just trip out. How this 0:02:56.120 --> 0:03:01.600 fool was like in prison recording fucking whole albums from 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.320 the pen and they were dope as fussed over the phone. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.840 So you got locked up when you were seventeen, I did. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.480 Now you were already signed the black market. Yeah, as 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.359 a juvenile. So what was the timeline between you signing 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:18.760 your record deal and you going to prison? 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.639 Okay? So I ended up. 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.600 I was the first artist ever for black Market Records. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:25.679 So I ended up. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:30.399 Me and my homeboy, young Meek from the Gardens, Big Meek. 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.160 We met up with Cedric, and then Meek and Cedric 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.200 came up with a plan. Cedric had black Market Records 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.680 in his pocket, in his brain, and Meek had the 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.240 Bird You know what I mean. This is nineteen ninety one, Okay, 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:46.720 nineteen ninety one, so I already have my niggas in 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.880 black ep out, me Lynch and six already have the 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.960 Endangered Species project that kind of became Nigga Deep, I believe. 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.480 And then we started linking up with Cedric, me and 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.600 Meek and and that's how we ended up turning in 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.200 Psychoactive in like December of ninety one. 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:11.520 And then how much further after that was you catching 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.080 your case and having to go sit down for two months? 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:14.720 Two months? 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.320 I was arrested maybe ninety days later. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:20.839 Yeah, damn. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.600 Yeah. It was a wild set of summers. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.520 Yeah, I mean, it's crazy because we hear about like 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:33.559 Sack and how intense the violence is in Sacramento like now, 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.120 and I feel like it's obviously guys like Mazi are 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.000 huge coming out of the city. There's a lot of 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:40.880 guys DP about the bag and. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:43.320 Lavish. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.359 There's a lot of dope shit coming out of sack Nty. 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.080 Yeah ce bow see Bowl a legend for sure, fucking 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:51.360 independent legend for yeah. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:51.560 Sure. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:56.120 But was it all because like obviously for people who 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.920 don't know, like you went to prison for it was 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:59.720 like a gang related homicide, right it was. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.840 I was given gang relay homicide, first degree premeditated murdering 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.400 use of a firearm. That's what I got. Felt good to. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.160 Ye, Like, how crazy was the gang seen in Sacramento 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:11.719 in the late eighties early nineties. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:17.640 It was wild. It was very intense that the mid eighties. 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.360 It was just people were representing what they were representing. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.040 My neighborhood got founded in the late seventies early eighties 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.920 as a result of Compton Crips coming to South Sacramento 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.400 to sell dope in our neighborhood, Nutty Blocks primarily, so 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.279 the Garden Block is really a result of our ancestors 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.440 being the Nutty Block Compton Cryps and some of the 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:46.200 Santana blocks. So Garden Block came from that, among other things. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.080 I got a founding father from Garden Block here with me, 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:53.919 Big Dooney. But we ended up seeing where people was 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.599 just fighting. You know, our neighborhoods is all bloods and crips. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.880 We in a box where and Northerners were in a box. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:04.720 Franklin Boulevard, Medoview Road, Florin Road in Freeport. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:05.920 That's kind of our box. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:08.080 That would be the gardens a little bit above Franklin, 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:11.800 though they Franklin is Franklin, but everything above it is 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:15.240 the gardens. And you got the Metaview bloods in that box, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.640 you got the twenty nine Street cribs, twenty fourth Street, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.239 twenty first Street, who all together are nine one four 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:25.279 Garden Block cribs. And so in the beginning, in that 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.359 mid period, it was just a little bit of fighting 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.880 because even the bloods are the homies. You know, Garden 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:35.320 Block existed before Metaview did. Bloods wise, the Medaview always existed, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.360 like I'm from Metable, we all from Metaview, but the 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.279 Metaview bloods kind of got born out of homies beating 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.800 up people and been getting beat up by people who 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.839 were technically homies. So the violence created, you know, where 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.080 they started standing on their own ten They from the 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.159 gardens too. They g two. It ain't no holes out there. 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.640 They really with the shit. And so somebody get clapped, 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.520 you know, and I tipped all the dominoes in the outside. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.360 I can't speak for olk Park or they'll pass o heist. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.640 That ain't I right. But they was with the shit 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.320 as well, but specifically on the South Side. You know, 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:12.000 in the late eighties, we had a homie get you know, 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.360 we got one that got smacked and then now somebody 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.760 else gets shmacked over there, and it just turned into 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.480 trading bodies crazy and that's the season of the sickness 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:22.320 was born from that. 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:27.080 Wild and so you catch that charge at seventeen seventeen. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.640 Yeah, so you're a kid man. I am a kid man, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.080 just a baby. Now, looking back on that, I'm very 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.920 empathetic to that little dude and everybody that was with me, 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.160 everybody that all of us was babies. Were just some babies, man. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:41.360 This guy, the kids. 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.200 It's so wild too because the thing like to where 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.440 we are now and like you know, the wires heu 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.360 trial and how like artists are having their lyrics use 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:55.320 against them actively. They used your album against you in court. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.920 Right, Yeah, they used the lyrics to my song Still Shooting, 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:03.560 which has a sample from Ultra Violet Dreams from Cypress 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.200 Hill in it. You know, so it's dope to be 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.280 able to talk to be real the other day. But yeah, 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:14.480 I had made Psychoactive. Ironically, I'm being executive produced by 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:17.440 a Medavie Blood who happens to be Siebo's little brother, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:21.760 Big Miko Yure, and he's there when I record that song. 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.440 I recorded Still Shooting at the studio would have met 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.760 of you Blood in December of nineteen ninety one, and 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:33.720 they turn around by the summer of ninety two saying 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.760 this song was about this incident that occurred ninety days afterward, 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.400 and so they switched the title to this song. Clear that. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.400 Was the guy who lost his life from that set 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:46.000 he was. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:51.040 Yeah, it actually was a woman, a woman a prominent 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.240 figure in our community and the mother of people who 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.560 you know those There was some disdaining and go alled 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.080 so her children were not being viewed favorably on our side, 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.040 and they didn't view us favorably. They was with the 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.439 shit you know what I mean, and they just they 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.880 was active, and so they take my song and say 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.599 it's about this incident that it had nothing to do with. 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.080 They changed the name to the Murder and call it 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.240 the murder, even though that was the intro with the 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.960 pizza man thing with me and brother Lynchon where we 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.120 pull up, pretend to be the pizza man, dude open 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.560 the door with gunning down. That's the murder. The song 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.760 is called still Shooting. So they changed the name of 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:35.199 the song to fit the narrative. Quote my lyrics broken 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.840 up so that it says what they wanted to say 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.599 a lot of context. Write those stories for the Sacramento 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.440 b tell those stories on channel on ABC NBC, all 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.240 of them, and then that gets picked up by the AP, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.480 and then hip hop journalism repeated those stories instead of 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.120 writing it on like my home field. Advantage of hip 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.000 hop like now, someone like you would have dug in it. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.680 You wouldn't have let that happen to me. You would 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.600 hope a live wouldn't have let that happened to me. 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.439 It would have been some people at Elliott Wilson who 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.480 would have disagreed with that. Ironically, Elliott could have disagreed 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:12.439 with it, then I think and didn't. 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:14.120 Maybe, yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't know what 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.600 Ellie was doing in ninety one. He might have entered 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:17.240 something I don't know. 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.040 Yeah, he might not have had the power in ninety 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:22.360 one ninety two. That's true. But what I do say 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:27.080 is that hip hop media did not tell the story themselves. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.839 They just repeated the story that originated from conservative news 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:35.840 media in Sacramento, which is a republic Republican dominated environment 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.480 at the time, it was an anti crime environment. It 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.160 was a it was a different culture. And Sacramento also 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.600 used me in a sensational way to have a viral story, 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:47.960 what we would call a viral story. One of the 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.320 first times there was something that Sack was on the 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:54.440 map for that they could be proud for. Sack always 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.080 been the little brother in California. Sure, and so you 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.240 had the Doro, THEA Shuentez thing that gave Sack got 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:05.320 his beak wet with national entertainment true crime kind of shit, 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.400 and I think they got thirsty. And so when my 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.880 thing happened, they sold that story and used it. It 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.680 was ratings, it was you know, it sold papers, and 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.640 that's what they did. They told they tore up a 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:17.880 seventeen year old child. 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.960 That shit's crazy. Yeah, And that was also kind of 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.800 like I feel like the era of like the demonization 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.319 of hip hop because you got to think between like 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.240 the two Lave Cruise ship n w A was a 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.040 little before that, and just like there were so many 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.920 politicians stopping on CDs, Piper Gore and uh, what's the 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.280 lady from l A The lords lawis Tucker. 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.320 Yeah. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.840 It was like there was like this real like anti 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.920 hip hop agenda like on really to mo like the 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.240 left too, Like it was a lot of democrats. 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.360 A lot of a lot of it, A lot of 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.600 it was coming from that. It was both sides, both 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.679 sides this ship. Yeah, the FBI on n WA for 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.920 fuck the Police, Tipper Gore and all of them on 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:05.079 two Live Crew. Here they come with band in the USA, 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:09.480 the ghetto boys, Jay Prince coming under attack, so they 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.360 got to make we can't be stopped, you know, Uh, 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:17.160 Time Warner turning on Ice Tea crazy. It was a 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.520 lot in this era. That's what I was talking about 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.079 Mike Tyson and what he was going through. But I'll 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.040 talking about now that entering that stage of Tupac, the 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:29.400 demonization of Tupac and uh or the selling of his 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:33.040 sensational story. It's kind of what they were doing. And 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.080 so you had oj occurring. It was it was a 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.880 rough time in this to be a part of the 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.079 culture at the time. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.520 What was your family like home like like like life 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.520 like at home? Obviously being seventeen, rapping, being act in 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.760 the streets with your parents around like so. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:50.120 I had. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:52.079 Earlier. 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.360 I had my grandmother, Miss Maxine, you know Tammas Sharner 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.560 and Florn Road in South Sacramento. You know, my family 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:03.280 all in the gardens Castelinda, Castelinda in twenty fourth Street, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.160 Nedra Court, And so that period in my life was 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:09.240 beautiful up until my grandmother passed and she kind of 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.240 was the glue to health the family together. And when 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.760 she passed away leadership, you know, who's gonna take over, 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.960 who's that next person? There wasn't really anybody in position. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.640 The people who were in position, like my mom, were 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.640 in griev they were grieving. And so while they were grieving, 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.920 I went outside and so I'm with my big cousins 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.400 Artie Barnes AJ from twenty fourth Street, you know, dun 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.640 play I'm with my family members, and so yeah, I 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.520 didn't have a lot of supervision. My father's from Pritchard, Alabama. 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:42.320 He met my mama in Sacramento. My uncle went to 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.480 my uncle Bodic's house across from Oak Park Community Center 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.439 back in the day, and so my cousin, Jimmy broad 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.600 Knat lived right across from the Oak Park Community Center, 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.440 and my mom would always be over there with my aunt, 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.280 my grandmother's sister, and next door was my father's uncle, 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.160 and that's how they linked up. And you know, here 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.400 I am, but he goes home to Alabama. He was 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.840 just visiting family, and so I didn't really have a 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.240 two parent home. I probably spent a total of three 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.800 or four years with my father out of my entire life, 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.640 you know what I mean. And that's brutal. It's brutal. 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.440 And what I learned from him in that period of 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.640 time definitely is it has a lot to do with 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.440 me being alive, you know what I mean. He didn't 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.240 teach me a lot with his words, but observing the 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.240 way he moved, he strapped up. You know, he got 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:30.760 his he was with the bullshit right all of it. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:34.080 He owned his club, he was moving he had vendor machines. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.400 He was grinding. I remember I went to Alabama. My 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.800 pops takes me on the trip to Pensacola. We get 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:45.400 some fireworks. I think, you know, it's whatever. And I 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.320 had a trip with my dad. We go to the beach, 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.440 he meet up with some people. They put the fireworks 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.920 in the trunk. We draw it back and then I 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:56.400 can't use these specific fireworks, right, And then I got 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.400 the other fireworks and shit. And then I see my 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.680 pups was busting the bitches down and entering out all 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.320 of the fireworks, you know, and he and there cooking 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.840 and cleaning up and doing his thing. And so my 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.360 pops had you know, I went with my pops on 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.080 the on the pick up mission, and my pops was running, 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.720 he was doing him. And so it wasn't unusual for 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.160 me to see him cooking up in there and counting 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:20.000 his money and doing his thing, and you know, being 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.640 on ten tos, and how he communicated with his brothers, 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.560 how he communicated with his friends. And so he didn't 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.960 teach me a lot deliberately, but I saw a lot 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.040 that later on. You kept me alive. Yeah, So I'm 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.000 grateful to my father may rest in peace. And I 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.280 feel like he didn't know what the fuck to do 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:38.920 with the child. He didn't know what to do with 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.520 no baby. And you know, I feel that way with 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.080 my mother. My mother braised this the way she was raised, 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:51.320 and that included teaching us a lot encyclopedias, dictionaries, puzzles, 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.800 mind games. She had a lot of that type of 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.920 stuff in in psychological games you could play the strength 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:02.520 in your perspective. And but she wasn't too much that 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:06.240 I needed male leadership in my life. And once we 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.400 hit a certain age were that was it. You know, 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.640 back then sixteen you I'm running around doing me wasn't 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.600 no discipline at all, right, And so yeah, I didn't 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:17.480 have a lot of support. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.240 Well I was going to ask you, like, you find 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:24.720 out you're going to prison for life? Yeah, as a kid, Yeah, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.240 that's got to be like your whole entire soul just 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:28.520 gets snatched from your body. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.440 Like not really, man, Like, how did I'm. 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.280 Saying, like, because you somehow turned that into like the 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:38.560 perseverance of like having like a semi successful, like i 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:42.400 mean very successful rap career while being in prison, which 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.120 is very I mean, yeah, like, like how do you 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.920 make that transition from being a kid to thinking maybe 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:54.400 your life is over, and then you know your music 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.240 career is just beginning in some sorts, you. 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.960 Know, Yeah, I think you hitting it right on the head, man. 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:03.480 I I think the thing that kept me from feeling 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.240 like my life was over that I lived for the music. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.800 Hip hop became everything to me. They couldn't take that 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.880 I can write a dope ran, I can still be dope, 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.119 and so that mattered to me to just be dope. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.480 And because I was just focused on that, I had 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.719 so much material that when these opportunities presented themselves, Like 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.600 the first thing I did was the twenty four deep 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:29.359 with brother Lynch and Lynch. I was calling Lynch from 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.240 juvenile hall and he was like, man, I got this song. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.000 I want you to record your part, and he did 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.399 it on his answering machine. So I'm around the corner 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.720 at the pay I got the photies and the thank 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.800 I did that over the phone, and so that kind 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.000 of even while I'm facing the death penalty at the time, 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.280 they're in a fight. Am I being remanded to adult 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.119 court to be tried and or am I going to 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.760 juvenile court? I get remanded to adult court, then the 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:56.560 fight is death penalty, capital. 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.840 Punishment or indeterminate sentence. 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.600 Fight that beat the death penalty thing, and then now 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.159 it's okay, these are your charges and you get to 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.280 thirty one a life. I know that twenty five of 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:11.240 life is what I'm dealing with. I'm aware, like that's 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.760 my maximum outcome. And so even then, even being aware 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.880 of that, like I technically just survived that they would 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.560 have liked to have killed me if they could have 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.120 found me guilty and give me given me the death penalty, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:27.040 they would have It's just the law and the judge's 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.239 interpretation of the law. He decided not to allow that 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.000 to occur because I was seventeen years old. But so 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.800 I technically am also feeling like I just beat death 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:38.920 in a way. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.399 So it's like a small victory. 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.800 It was a small victory, and I'm not fully capable 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.399 of dealing with the horror this shit, right, you know, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.160 missus Harris, and what happened in our community, how people 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.240 were responding to it, How I'm being celebrated on one 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:58.960 side for being g demonaged on another side for being evil, right, 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:01.840 you know what I mean, and hated by rivals who 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.600 feel like you know, they have to. They had to 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.920 deal with that. That's just what you do. It's retaliation 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.119 as a must. That's a part of the game. So 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.240 I got all of this as a seventeen year old 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.040 child that I got to deal with when I walk 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.480 out of my cell and how am I projecting myself? 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:21.760 So you have a mixture of shame, pride, ego, all 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:24.439 this stuff active at the same time, and want my 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.720 homeboys like, Okay. The safest place to go as a 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:31.399 child was deeper into the place that didn't feel like 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:33.120 I did nothing wrong, didn't feel like. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.040 There was another It was what it was. 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.320 So it was a safe place to hang out for 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.440 a minute until I got old enough to start reconciling. 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.399 Brain development catching up and I had to start dealing 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:47.040 with ugly truths within myself, and I started bleeding into 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.560 my lyrics because that was the safest place for me 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.800 to go. I was always honest in in my lyrics 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:54.720 or for a while something. 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:57.680 Early on you like embraced, like you said the cybe 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.440 where you were like sell braided, I guess I did. 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.600 Yeah, yeah, being ax rated, Yeah, you know what I mean. 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.760 And Gordon Block crib ax rated from twenty fourth Street. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:10.280 That was a badge of It was like a bulletproof 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:12.439 vest for me to put on to protect me from 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:17.160 even my own thoughts, my opinions, or other outside opinions 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.399 of me. I just stood on that to not allow 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:23.000 none of the ugly stuff to penetrate my spirit, and 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.639 I focused on working with Lynch on twenty four Deep 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.560 made me like, damn, maybe I'll can get some shit done. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.800 And so I'm writing like a motherfucker. I transferred to 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.960 the county jail and I run into mac Dre, and 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.919 mac Dre and Kyrie had for years this man. I 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.760 think it was like somewhere in the window in ninety three, 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.560 ninety four. So mac Dre Sacramento is the hub for 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.879 federal crimes. So if you committed, if you got a 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.680 federal case, you're gonna get sent to the Sacramento County 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.159 Jail to go to court because they handle it. So 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:55.240 mac Dre Twenny. 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.879 Fed cases in like northern California. They would go to 0:20:57.960 --> 0:20:58.600 jail and sack. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:20:59.080 Yeah. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.359 I believe not even just Northern California period. I mean 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.280 it's a capital too, right, Yeah, So like the unibomber 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.119 was housed in the Sacramento County Jail. Like, was my 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.800 neighbor going to going to court for his for his case? 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:13.680 You ever talked to him? 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:14.920 Talking to him was weird? 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:15.520 You know what I mean? 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:18.080 I said, I said, hello, you know I'm a dumb ass. 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:18.320 Right. 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:21.159 So did he ever like break down his manifesto to you? 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.280 Like? No? No, I didn't get the top it up 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.520 with him like that. We was in four hunter poss. 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.199 How to interview that motherfucker out of it? Like, Yo, 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:27.919 so what's going on? 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:28.119 Bro? 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:28.520 Yeah? 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.240 Nowadays I definitely would have. 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.720 Wanted to know maybe we had had an offier podcast. 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.320 I reached out to our yell daddy and shit, he 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:37.879 was in his South in mind. But he was a 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:43.320 very meek dude, and he talked about fame, notoriety, what 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.520 they call not the rod. Judges used to come and 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.360 hang out at his door with their clerks and talk 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:49.000 to him. 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.600 And you know, that dude was allegedly brilliant, you know 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:52.000 what I mean? 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:54.320 No, he I mean, by all accounts, he was a 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:54.960 smart guy. 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.600 Yeah, he was a very you can be so smart 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.320 it could you could you get a little crazy? And 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:04.240 so he was a very smart motherfucker. And the judges, 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:06.800 all of them. They used to do tours and come 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:09.000 by and you know, they're look at myself, here's the 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.120 rapper X righted and they would go around a little 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.040 bit and it's the fucking unibomer. 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.199 I'll be looking out my door and. 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.200 It just be a pack of people sitting in front 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:17.840 of in front of itself. Yeah. 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:18.800 Man, it's crazy anyway. 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:22.040 Mac Dre so Mac Dre ninety three, ninety four ish. 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:26.800 Uh, they have recorded the live from Presno County Jail 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:31.800 over the phone him and I believe Kyrie from Young 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.359 Black Brother. So that Young Black Brother at the time, 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.280 and I know he had done some stuff on mac 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:42.120 Mal's stuff too, and so he was like everybody knew 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:44.480 about twenty four Deep at the time. So it was like, yo, 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:46.439 he gave me the game. This is how we did it, 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.040 Like how did you do it? I was like, man, 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:50.880 I just recorded it on an answer machine. He was like, nah, 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:55.000 we did the phones and we ran the line into 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.159 the board and did it directly through that. And I 0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:59.560 was like, damn. So I took that game and gave 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:02.200 it to say and then talked to John Bots from 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:06.479 Enharmonic Studios and Sack and uh, so they took a 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:10.919 phone apart, soldered the wires to a mic plug, plugged 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.600 it directly into the board. So when I called the phone, 0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.159 it was going straight into the board. And then they 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.840 took another part of the phone apart, soldered the wires 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:21.040 and plugged it in, so the audio was going straight 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:23.639 into that so you could hear the beat on a 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:24.280 different phone. 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:24.760 Got it. 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.080 So I had to call a phone right here and 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:29.120 spit the rhyme. 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:30.720 Spitting here while listening to the beating the other. 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.960 One and listening to the beating the other one. And 0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:34.639 that's how I recorded excessist. 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.000 What we're like. People who were also on the phone 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.080 like looking at you, like, yeah, this fool is fucking rapping, 0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:42.840 Like nah. 0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:46.119 Our County jail was separated, you know. The crips was 0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:48.720 on the west side, the blood's on the east side. 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:51.080 I think at the time was in three hundred pod. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.120 The pols are separated by a severity of crime at 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.600 the time. So if you child support tickets, you go 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.600 to one hundred pod. If you got a little bit 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:01.399 of violence but nobody has who stitches, you go to 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.360 two hundred pod. If you had if somebody somebody had 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:07.840 Suture Stitches, Dead Funerals, three hundred pod. 0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:10.880 And so I'm in this pod and it's start. 0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:13.280 I got the homies out here and I'm doing some 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.439 shit that people. I'm in Sacramento. I'm x rated in Sacramento, 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.719 deal recording a saw. So there's motherfucker's in the day 0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:23.679 room rooting for this. Yeah, the white Boy's rooting for this. 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.400 The Mexicans is rooting for this, The Niggas is root 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:30.320 This is a victory for the criminals. We went and 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.360 the police is rooting for this. They didn't bump Psychoactive. 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.520 They done bumped twenty four deep. They don't bumped. 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:38.480 But you had cops who were like fucking with you, 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.959 like the fans. 0:24:42.200 --> 0:24:45.600 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in Sacramento. Yeah, I'm 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.320 at home. Yeah, imagine they threw one of us in 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:50.920 the county to come on, man, I'm in. 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.520 The carrying the recording. Yeah, I'm doing the whole album 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:53.840 right now. 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.320 Like I ain't even got to tell them that because 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.320 they it's the wild Wild West in the tank. So 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.400 I'm in the tank doing me and and they can 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.280 hear it, but also can't legally stop it. So when 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.199 people were like why did y'all allow him to do it? 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.840 They like, he's not convicted of a crime. He has 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.320 the right to use the phone. We don't tell anybody 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.440 else not to use the phone. So if he commits 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.439 a crime on the phone, then we'll investigate that crime. 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.200 But in terms of rapping on the phone, it's not illegal. 0:25:19.720 --> 0:25:21.560 It's not illegal for him to do that. So their 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:25.240 spokesperson is in the Sacramento be explaining to people why 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.240 they didn't stop it because they could, they weren't legally 0:25:28.320 --> 0:25:30.800 able to stop it. I could use my phone time 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.160 to do whatever, and in there there wasn't a list 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:34.840 to sign up, so you could be on the phone 0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.920 for seven hours if nobody cared, you know what I mean. 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:41.320 And nobody cared, nobody could care. That was when them 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.960 get your ass whooped over this. We were recording these 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.879 songs the homies is tripping and it ain't wasn't the 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.000 only ones it was at victory for the criminals. 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.600 How many projects did you drop that you recorded in 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:54.760 while while incarcerated, just so people have an. 0:25:54.680 --> 0:26:01.879 Idea, Oh man, so exorcists and we do six hundred 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.880 and forty thousand copies of that, you know what I mean? 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:09.360 Like in like maybe six months Billboard SpLD Wow, incarcerated 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:13.720 God while incarcerated without a music video, without a music video, 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.960 want to get high your certified classic mac. 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:17.960 Right back in the day, it was like the video 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:18.720 was very important. 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.600 Yeah, no music videos and still gold. Anyway, six months 0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.639 Playboy Magazine, all that shit, And so I did Exorcists. 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:27.800 I go to the pen. 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:31.720 I remember, I think McGinnis, I think the spokesperson for 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:35.480 the prison system, they were asking them before I got there, 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:39.600 like X Rated just recorded Extorsists in the Sacramento County 0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:41.840 jail and he's on his way to you. He's been convicted. 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.280 How were you guys planning to stop him from recording 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:47.680 music over the phone? And they had all these reasons, 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.320 and they had the beats to beat. They put all 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.960 this shit on the phones, and dude, you are there, 0:26:52.960 --> 0:26:55.439 are on the call with the blah blah blah blah blah, 0:26:55.520 --> 0:26:58.080 so that I wouldn't be able to successfully do it. 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.800 And so I got there and I was able to 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:03.640 get some more you know, get some equipment in there, 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:07.639 spend money again. Cops are fans, the laundry workers are fans, 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.239 the kitchen workers are fans. I got allies in this bitch. Yo. 0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:13.560 The hummy been here for twenty years, this nigga that 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.240 knocked this motherfucker over here to work in the library. 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.320 You know what I mean. I'm putting a whole studio 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:20.119 on the yard if I want to, I'm doing whatever 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:21.720 I want to do. I didn't know that I was 0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:24.080 going to be like that, but I aged into it 0:27:24.160 --> 0:27:26.639 and lived into it. And so here comes Unforgiven. So 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:31.280 you got extracists, unforgiven, nefarious, and think about the period 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.960 of time ninety six I dropped Exorcists, Run it up, 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.560 I take up it takes I think ninety seven, ninety eight, 0:27:37.600 --> 0:27:40.000 Me and boat work until my casket drops. I'm number 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.679 three on Billboard, behind MARIOH. Carrey and Brian McKnight. Boom, 0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:47.959 Here Comes Unforgiving. I'm fourteen on the heat Seekers chart Billboard. 0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:48.480 Boom. 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:54.000 That's nineteen ninety nine, maybe eleventh ninety nine. February Boom, 0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:57.160 I'm back on Billboard charts with the Nefarious album, and. 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.240 Then November Boom. 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.840 I'm back on bill Board charts, one hundred thousand copies 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.359 first week on Vengeance's Mind Boom. February I'm back with 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:09.240 Initiation I'm back up on the Billboard charts again, I'm 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.960 move and and all that's happening while I was incarcerated. 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:14.639 So I think it's so you had like a like 0:28:14.760 --> 0:28:18.040 you had like a like a like a studio ish setup. 0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:21.199 Oh yeah, repeated, like would you have? I had all 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:24.600 kind of shit. I started off with just a mini dishrecorder. 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:26.920 Then I would try and get something to have multiple 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.920 tracks on it. Eventually, and then I started finding out 0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.800 about apps, and so I started getting phones and downloading 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.280 apps that gave me four tracks and shit, and plugging 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.880 in and recording on little laugh mics and shit like that, 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.680 you know what I mean, talk show microphones and sending 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:44.320 that shit home and letting them clean it up. 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:45.280 That's crazy. 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.200 Yeah, man, I had. I had adapt before I had 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.560 a mini disrecorder or an R seven. 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:52.720 And they didn't care that you had all that in yourself. 0:28:52.880 --> 0:28:55.840 Hell yeah, they cared. But the problem isn't that contraband. 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:59.720 It is contraband. But this is the problem if you 0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.440 think about and I had a lot of issues because 0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.640 of this, But if you look at the rules, the 0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:09.480 CCR title fifteen and here comes X rated in nineteen 0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.760 ninety six, who the fuck recorded a song and the 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:15.760 cell before right, whoever had a cell phone? And they 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:20.280 sell before right, So there's no rule against this shit. 0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.160 Because it's almost like new technology. 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:22.920 It doesn't exist. 0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:26.000 That's like that's making a point of reference. Yeah, these 0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.440 are the rules related to UFOs and how they have 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:30.920 to fly. It's like where are they, you know what 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:32.520 I mean? Where we're gonna make a rule for some 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:34.880 shit that we don't even know if it exists or not. 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:38.720 So I'm getting caught. The niggas is telling and speculating, 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:40.520 you know what I mean. If you a rapper on 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:42.479 the yard, you don't want to be jay z right, 0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:44.120 you don't want to be Tupac, you want to be 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:46.280 x rated, you want to I'm the one who's done it, 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.480 so they look, I said a standard, and so people 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.720 was talking about me a lot. So my cell get hit, 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:53.720 I get busted with a phone, I get busted with 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:57.200 a recorder that the cop thinks he got him. You 0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.200 know I had I remember one time I had a 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.640 lighter in mysel. Well, the cop finds the lighter throws 0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.200 that away with all the garbage. He wrote it on 0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.200 the slip of stuff though that he took from me, 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.800 but he threw it away. The homies now everybody know, 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.200 they get the trash is gone. The police then win 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.640 did what they had to do. He looks up the 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:18.880 rules and tries to figure out what to write me 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:23.360 up for in three thousand and six c contraband possession. 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.080 The contra band was all he could come up with, 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:30.440 which was like two weeks loss of yard. Just boys, 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.640 boys being bad boys. Just slap on the wrist and 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.640 send me back to the yard. But when they caught me, 0:30:36.080 --> 0:30:38.360 they thought they had me. They thought we're gonna put 0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:40.360 him under the prison. This is a shoe turn. We 0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.400 got him and it was a three tag. I would 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.400 have got in more trouble if he wrote me up 0:30:45.440 --> 0:30:48.400 for that lighter. That lighter was a three year shoe term. 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.880 He could have sent me to Corkoran. He could have 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:52.800 sent me the Pelican based shoe if he wrote me 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.760 up for that lighter, because it's a caustic substance and 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.320 explosive device according to that rug. Yeah, so he threw 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:01.920 away the way and wrote me up for some shit 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.400 that didn't exist, and just they were mad. They were 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.680 big mad, And so I get hit with the son 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:13.360 of Sam lawsuit me O J. Charles Manson. They hit 0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.400 us all with the Son of Sam lawsuit? 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:15.800 What is that? 0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:15.960 Just? 0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:16.520 People don't know. 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:20.360 So the Sam lawsuit is to prevent an inmate from 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:24.560 profiting from the notoriety they received as a result of 0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:26.480 their crime. I think it started in New York with 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.840 the Son of Sam, who I guess was getting paid 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.400 to do interviews people writing books. 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:32.719 He was. 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.479 He became a millionaire as a results. 0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:36.680 I just saw Whack One was talking about that with 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.920 the KFD thing, because I think he was trying to 0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.160 help get keffd out and they were trying to bring 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:42.400 the Son of Sam thing up. And he's like, well, 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.800 they haven't convicted him yet, so technically, you know, he's 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:45.720 not guilty of anything. 0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:49.360 Yeah, California struck it down, but I don't know if 0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.880 KEFD if that'll apply to him. They arrested him in Nevada, 0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:54.880 so I'm not sure what the laws are. But the 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.600 California Supreme Court struck it down, and so you could 0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.400 so you were safe. So now you can ain't take 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:03.440 my money. There's no rule against what I'm doing. And 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.280 then even as they're trying to figure out how to 0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.000 implement those rules takes two or three years years while 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.840 you're running it. They got to go through the Assembly bill. 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:15.440 It got to be agreed we do the Senate Congress 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.160 signed by a governor in order to change these rules. 0:32:18.200 --> 0:32:21.560 So I got this window where from nineteen ninety six 0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:24.920 to two thousand and two, I'm just whipping the asses 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.600 and it ain't nothing they could do to stop it, 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.360 and so I did. I ended up having a lot 0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:32.800 of angry police man. They just just been I couldn't 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:34.600 talk about that shit while I was on parole, but 0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:36.720 like I went through it, and they were trying to 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.480 figure out, you know, throw me in a dungeon. Man, 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.000 I'm ready with a hunter songs. So I get a 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:45.720 hold of a recording. I'm dropping a hundred. I'm dropping 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.440 a hundred in a weekend. Get smuggling them bitches out 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:49.840 come and get me. Put me in the hole. I 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:50.560 don't give a fuck. 0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:55.120 I'm sure. Once the iPhone gets introduced to the changed everything. 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.160 It did change everything. It sped me up. But as 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.880 the technology grew, so did my awareness of the potential 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:06.480 that I was going home. So I wasn't always sure 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.320 about that, and it's there's stages now I know the 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:14.800 stages of development of my understanding. First it started with hopelessness, 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.520 and then it turned into ah, you know, I might 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:20.400 not be here forever for the rest of my life. 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.800 Maybe I won't. I don't know. You see laws, you 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.800 hear everybody was always somebody coming man, this new this 0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.960 piece of legislation gonna change your life, asks I'm like whatever, 0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.440 man R all right? And so my big homie Dooney 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.080 actually was one of the ones where he was at 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:40.480 San Quentin. He got a murder with another of my OG's, 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:44.000 the two founders but the founder of twenty four Street 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.680 Garden Block and Doney as a founder of twenty nine 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:50.160 Street Garden Block, and they caught a case. Dooney did 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.160 gets fifty years. He ended up doing thirty one. And 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.080 in the course of that you got these two men, 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.320 one who taught me survival, how this is how you fight, 0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:01.479 this how you make a knife. He taught me that 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.280 and later was able to teach me this is take 0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:09.480 your ass on. But Dooney was more educated on a 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:13.879 on a from the perspective of hope faster than we were, 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:15.799 because he got to do his time, some of his 0:34:15.880 --> 0:34:18.520 time at Saying Quentin, where they had all these programs 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.160 and where rehabilitation was at the forefront. It was the 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:26.480 darling of CDCR. Damn there still is. And so he 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.799 was one of the ones who started saying, now you 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:29.920 take your ass to school. 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.680 You know, I got my phone. It hit me on Facebook. 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.200 I seeing pictures of what he's doing on the yard, 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:37.640 and it just made me feel like, damn, man, it 0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:40.000 ain't got to just be like this fucked up ass 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:43.400 one eighty design I'm at or this two seventy yard, 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.680 like it's a different you get different ways to do 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:49.600 your time. And so he gave me permission. Really I 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.560 needed it from somebody that I respected as against it 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.759 to tech myas to anger management class, tech MIAs in there. 0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:57.720 I got my ged go to school. 0:34:57.960 --> 0:34:59.600 All that looks good too. I'm sure when they. 0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:02.600 And that was his point. But you know, I didn't 0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:05.719 really have that much hope in that. And so I 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:11.000 remember Miller versus Alabama went to the Supreme Court, and 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:16.239 Miller versus Alabama was a case about a juvenile in 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:20.759 Alabama who was sentenced to the death penalty, and the 0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:21.960 argument was. 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:24.839 Is it a violation of. 0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.960 Our Eighth Amendment right against cruel and unusual punishment to 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:35.720 sentence a juvenile to death or even to sentence sentence 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.120 them to life in prison without an opportunity for them 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:44.120 to grow, and that neuroscience had demonstrated that at the 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.239 age of twenty five we start seeing the results of 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:52.760 maturation and development, and that these children should be allowed 0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.440 to have an opportunity to prove that they grew up 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.799 and that they got a different perspective and maybe they're 0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.840 a completely different person. So the Supreme Court rule, they 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:07.560 got rid of it death sentences for juveniles, but in 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:12.319 their ruling they stated essentially, if a case reached them 0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.920 about life in prison for juveniles, they likely rule in 0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.720 favor for that as well. Yeah, and this is important 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:25.160 when people don't understand why voting is important. The Supreme 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.360 Court we had at the time was impacted by Clinton 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:34.240 and then impacted by Bush, and then impacted by Obama. 0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.000 So the people making those decisions, you know, we end 0:36:37.080 --> 0:36:41.520 up Trump puts three people on the Supreme Court, and 0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.040 there goes Roll versus Way, there goes. 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.560 Yeah, the Supreme Court. I always tell people, like, if 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:50.160 you could just remove all of the you know, antics 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:53.480 about politicians and just wherever you feel you're aligned with 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:55.920 the Supreme courts. What matters the most, Probably. 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:59.080 It really is, and the presidency matters because they're gonna 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.080 they're gonna have points going to appoint them, and they're 0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.640 gonna color that Supreme Court the way they want to. Sure, 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.680 And it's said there's an argument that if today's Supreme 0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:10.160 Court was the Supreme Court ruling on Miller versus Alabama, 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.360 I'll still be I literally would still be in prison 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:15.880 today's Supreme Court was ruling. 0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:17.319 Well, that's why I think a lot of people were 0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.319 saying RBG before she passed away, she like she should 0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.439 have retired while Obama was in because then he could 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.960 have you know. But she stayed in and then obviously 0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.560 was replaced with a more conservative judge. 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:28.959 Yep. 0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:30.880 I think Trump might have got to put two or 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:31.399 three on there. 0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:32.520 He did. 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.200 I think I think it was at least it was 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:35.759 at least two. 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:37.759 At least might have been three. Yeah, it was at 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.840 least two, we know for sure. And it changed the dynamics. 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.959 So the Supreme Court did make that statement. So when 0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:49.840 they said that and in in their ruling, the states 0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:53.359 started freaking out because they're like, there will a case 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:55.759 is going to get up there for sure cases on 0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.920 the way up there, and people start filing cases. Of course, 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.560 it makes sure so a case is on this way 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:04.640 up there. The courts indicated that they're definitely going to 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:06.960 rule in favor of it if it makes it up there, 0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:09.520 and if they do, it'll be like how we saw 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.560 the gay marriage. The states had control of that, but 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:15.239 when the Supreme Court said this is legal everywhere, it 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:18.080 was legal everywhere. That once they make a ruling, that's 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.440 the law of the United States of America. The decision 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.399 individual decisions is out. It would have been the same 0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:29.960 thing with the decision versus the juveniles with life. Now, 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.759 all these states would have to let these people out 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.160 and figure out what to do with them and have 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.440 no mechanism in place to control it because it was 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.560 being dictated to them by the federal government. So as 0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:45.279 a result, they proposed Senate Bill to sixty. Senator Lonnie Hancock, 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:52.319 a Democrat out of northern California, proposed that there's be 0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:57.600 a process called the Youth Offender Law that allowed the juvenile. 0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:58.040 To go to board. 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:01.319 So if you were between the ages of if you 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.719 were younger than eighteen, you would have an opportunity to 0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:08.560 go to board and be examined to find out if 0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:10.920 you were worthy of being released from prison, if you were, 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:13.840 if you did not posing a reasonable risk for violent 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.280 recidivism in the community. 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:17.279 So that's where all of the things that you had 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:21.120 did helped you out. Gd Anger Management. 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.160 Owning my home. Yeah, like I was already ready to 0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:27.080 go home, and so they send doctor Lear to me. 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.520 And now you got my big homie hit me like yo, 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.280 the chop chop and the ogs and the law library. 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.399 This is big news on the York for sure. So 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.720 I'm working out in the sale mine of my business 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:44.239 football game on and I remember I get called out 0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:46.520 to see it. So they like, hey, the psychologist is 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:49.160 here to see you. And so typically, you know, I 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:51.680 had signed up for these programs, so I would go 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:54.320 to have a sit down with a psychologist probably once 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.120 every two weeks or something like that. At least once 0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:00.720 a month, but that's normal. The staff to to the yard. 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:03.000 So I keep dressed because I want to get a 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.120 homie some time to himself. Let him have to sell 0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:07.000 for a minute. So I'm like, fuck it, I'm gonna 0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.600 go holler at this psychologist. Manager yourself. I'll be back 0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.440 because you know we locked down all that, you up 0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:18.279 around each other, saw me so a lot and so boom. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.400 that's pretty much the green light under your businessman whatever. 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:21.960 I'll be back. 0:40:22.160 --> 0:40:24.440 And so I go over there to the program office 0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.480 and they send me to the bad news place. 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:28.480 You know do you usually go over there? 0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:31.640 It's your mama died, you know, your daddy died, and 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.520 the kid is sick. It's the bad news building. So 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:38.120 I'm like, what the fuck? And uh. I walk in 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:43.280 the room and it's just older gentleman sitting there by himself, 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.120 dwarfed by the table, and I sit on the other 0:40:46.200 --> 0:40:49.000 side of him, and he introduces himself as doctor Lear 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.720 and he says he's a forensic psychologist from the Border 0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:55.120 prison hearings. And uh. He asked me if I was 0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:58.239 willing to have a conversation with him, and I'm like yeah, 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:01.840 And I'm two hundred and forty five pounds with a 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.279 four percent body fat benching four h five you know what, 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.120 I'm sweating. I just got through doing berbees. So I'm 0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.520 sitting here looking at him and he's like he takes 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:15.120 me through my entire at my whole life, and he's 0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:19.120 like a fine tooth comb. There's no plan with doctor Leir. 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.560 He's seen it all, he's heard it all, and he 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:26.239 is here to decide on his own judgment if you're 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:29.400 a sociopathic monster that needs to state right where you 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:31.279 are or if you're going to go home. Lord, if 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:32.880 you're going to go home. They had a lot to do. 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:36.880 If he said I think this person needs further development, 0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:40.120 you're sitting there until he says, I think you did it. 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:45.440 And so he talked about immutable factors, childhood issues, things 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:49.520 you can't control that create who you become. He very 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:52.839 much explained his understanding of how I ended up being 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:55.520 his seventeen year old child in the circumstances that I 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.520 was in, and there's no argument about that. It's do 0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:02.080 you understand it? Found guilty by the jury or peers. 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:06.240 We're not retrying your case. This is factual to them legally. 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:07.080 That's all there is. 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:08.400 Do you understand how you ended up? 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.080 You understand how you got there, and have you implemented 0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:15.399 measures that you can take to prevent you from being 0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.840 in that circumstance again? Period? And then you have a 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:23.600 psychopathy examine. It essentially is a psychopathy examination, and you 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.520 have to score in the twenty fifth percentile or under, 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:30.000 or they're going to tell the parole board that you're 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:33.080 a threat to the safety of others in society if 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:34.879 they were to release you, which is what they did 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.880 to Manton every time he went to board one hundred 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:41.759 percent of the time. And so doctor Lear told me, Man, 0:42:41.800 --> 0:42:43.640 he said, well, at the end, when he had made 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:45.360 up his mind about what he thought about me, he 0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.439 kind of just sat back and said, mister Brown, we're 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.640 trying to let you go home, and I think you 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.480 changed your life and you didn't care who did it, well, 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:54.719 who knew you did it. It didn't matter to you. 0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:57.600 But it's time for you to care now that people know. 0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:02.480 I have my home, I own my home, I got 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:05.680 my business set up, I've done anger management, I got 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:10.200 my GED I'm enrolled in an AA program for for 0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:14.439 college credits. I'm attending arcotics Anonymous. At that point, I'm 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:15.279 doing all kind of shit. 0:43:15.320 --> 0:43:16.880 Did you end up picking up like a drug habit 0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:20.400 while in prison? I didn't, I think, because I know 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:21.759 a lot of people do, because it's like you ain't 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.040 got shit to do, like the shit get pats around like. 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.400 Yeah, but you know us culturally, But it's fround the 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.319 plan to do certain hard drugs culturally from the era 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:31.240 that I come from. 0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:31.759 For sure. 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:33.799 You know, I know we got popular to sniff this 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:34.440 or sniff that. 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:39.000 Everybody's sniffing shit these days. Yeah, yeah, all the rappers 0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:40.840 are high on real drugs. 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:46.319 Yeah it's too late for me, man. So yeah, I was. 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.360 I attended those things because I have a lifestyle addiction, 0:43:50.000 --> 0:43:52.640 not necessarily a drug addiction. So if I did want 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:55.160 to sniff something, which I've sniffed something before, if I 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:59.920 wanted to sniff something, if I wanted to now I'm sniffing. 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:04.200 Now I'm now I'm calling people because one time too many, 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:05.400 I'm I'm tripping. 0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.240 I got little triggers active. 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.879 Your fuse get shorter if my few and next thing 0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:13.879 you know, I'm I'm sagging. I'm moving a certain kind 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.760 of way because I have a lifestyle addition, and that 0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:20.080 that kind of alcohol comes with that. Womanizing comes with that, 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:23.759 Pistol packing comes with that, Get sniffing something comes with that. 0:44:24.040 --> 0:44:26.319 Violence comes with that, And so I have to be. 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:30.120 Conscious of how to protect my lifestyle from relapse a 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:31.480 lifestyle real shit. 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:33.520 I would say, like if you ever have like any 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:36.879 addition to anything, you could kind of apply the NA 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:40.400 or AA shit to like any sort of advice you 0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:41.080 might have. 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:42.840 At least the process. 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.520 And that's why I like a NA more than AA, 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:49.600 because it was more philosophical than religious. Right, it's very 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.799 very religious and the piece and blessings to anybody that 0:44:52.880 --> 0:44:55.600 needed that way, But I didn't. I didn't require that, 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.040 and it turned me off, and so I was like, 0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:00.239 now i'mies, Like, no, no, Now I go there. They 0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.920 trust me, and it was a completely different experience. And 0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:05.719 then we had criminals and gang members anonymous. It was 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:08.120 a lot of different groups available to me in that 0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:11.440 environment that I started attending. And uh, once I was like, 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.520 you know, I had done my time as a gang 0:45:13.600 --> 0:45:16.960 member who went to prison as a rapper, right, and 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.520 then made a shitload of money and got famous more 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:22.840 famous while I was doing my time. 0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:25.520 So I had the I mean, it was a part 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:28.600 of like your fucking appeal, Like, Yo, there's this dude 0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.120 dropping albums in fucking prison. This shit is crazy. 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:34.720 Yeah, it was. It was a part of the magic. 0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:39.719 And so I was anti administration and anti cop because 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.240 I was operating as a criminal and as a game Reber, 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:45.080 not no famous person or not no fucking celebrity, right, 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:49.000 so I get I get classified. I got a letter 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:52.240 from Monster Cody that they kept for like two months. 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:54.239 They finally brought it to me. It was a tour up. 0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:58.200 They had tried to code it and shit, and I 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.000 got flagged for receiving that letter. 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:01.680 And then I got a letter from Tuki. 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.600 So like when we dropped Deadly Game, they wanted to 0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:09.080 know man who wrote that? Whose spirit did that come from? 0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:13.880 So Wendy Day, Davy d Monster Cody, Tuki. They wanted 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:16.799 to know what made me write that song. And then 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:18.759 you got missaying to pe Land of the Loss. I 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.440 had kind of started getting on the government's ass a 0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:23.680 little bit, you know. I started trying to talk about, 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.720 you know, three strikes in your route. Motherfucker's getting twenty 0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:28.520 five of life is still in a slice of pizza, 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.000 Like this happened to this nigga the next door to me. 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:34.880 And so I'm starting to take these stances in my music. 0:46:35.040 --> 0:46:38.080 And so I got validated as a gang member. And 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:41.799 then they made me high notoriety public interest case, and 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:45.560 they made me a being a high notoriety public interest cases. 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:49.239 The only it's what they give you as a celebrity, right, 0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.640 so the high notoriety is what they'll give like Charles 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:57.000 Manson and a public interest case, Scott Peterson, Tuki a 0:46:57.040 --> 0:46:59.520 monster Cody. It's only some of us that they did 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.759 that too. And so once they hit me with that 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:06.720 that particular label, I think the La Times started calling 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:11.759 the institution. You MTV start calling the institution coming in 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.920 with cameras, news crewis and shit on the yard in 0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.279 the day room like this in the day room of 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.440 the prison. Crazy and so it's like, yeah, it's just 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:25.440 some celebrity shit. And so it was uh Loo Menendez 0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:27.840 getting with Loo Menendez. He was one of the first 0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:32.000 people to start telling me you using your You're you're 0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:35.439 allowing yourself to be defined by other people because you're 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.120 not utilizing your celebrities. 0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:38.440 Is that one of the Menendez brothers? 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:38.880 It is? 0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:41.640 So you were you linked up with one of them 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:42.600 or both of them both. 0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:45.359 I'm the Melenindez brother, as they say, I'm a black 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.480 Menindez brother. Like both Lol and Eric are two of 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:50.120 my favorite human beings on the place. 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:51.920 Did they tell you where? Did they ever like tell 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:52.879 you what really went down? 0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.160 You know what. It's not appropriate to digging nobody business 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:57.160 like that, right, But. 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:58.560 I wondered if, like you know, I'm not saying you 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:00.120 got to share it, but like, like you guys, did 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:01.200 you guys ever talk about. 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:03.960 I have significant insight about everything, Like I was their 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:06.520 first time being put together on the yard, Like I 0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:09.360 was the only one they allowed in the room, you 0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:11.120 know what I mean where they had got their first 0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.480 conversation after not seeing each other since they were sentenced. 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.160 Yeah, how long do they keep them apart? 0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:21.560 It's like twenty something years? Crazy? Yeah? Yeah we were Yeah, 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.319 me and Love were there and Eric Eric got moved 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.120 to us. Or me and Eric were there and Love 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:27.680 got moved up. 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.200 You still write them or keeping communication with absolutely? 0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:32.080 Yeah, I'm right now. I'm working. 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:34.640 Strange Music is working to uh I think you on 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.439 a email, Richie. They're working to get me back into 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:40.360 the facility that I parole from down at RJ. Donovan. 0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:43.359 It's from now. It's like how San Quentin is. That's 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:46.360 what they're doing down there. And I'm going to go 0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:49.360 back in and do a concert, make a donation. So 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:51.799 if you got some money for me, man, I need 0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.120 your money so I could give it to the fellas 0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.359 for this program. But uh, we're gonna go in there 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:59.719 and me and Tech nine Travis Sogwyn and go to 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:02.680 the facility, do a concert, talk to the boys about 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:05.520 this is how far I came. You know, Scott Buttneck 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:10.480 has programs there, the anti recidivism Coalition, the beautification program 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.080 that they have, right and so we're gonna raise money 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:15.520 for them. See if I can get them twenty thirty bands. 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.760 If I could beat that, that's awesome. But twenty thirty 0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.840 bands real quick, that make a big difference in that environment. 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:24.200 But also to walk teching Travis with the camera rolling 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:27.520 in my cell that I left this cell to come 0:49:27.560 --> 0:49:29.560 free and as a result of that, I'm sitting here. 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:32.319 So yeah, you know, we are working with Lyle and 0:49:32.440 --> 0:49:35.160 Eric to be able to pull that off. There their 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:37.000 spearheading that program. 0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:40.319 And then you guys connected initially because you guys are 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:43.719 both high profile quote celebrity cases. 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.319 Yeah, that's kind of what happened. Like Lyle was on 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.600 the on the yard we were playing football. Somebody elbowed 0:49:49.640 --> 0:49:52.560 him and I didn't like it, you know, they because 0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:55.160 it was the first time I ever saw somebody hit 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:58.120 the yard like when I was with bo I still 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.640 was operating on some gangster shit and both was just 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:03.200 moving two guard block cribs, moving around the yard. We 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:06.399 didn't give a fuck about we rappers, you know. And 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:10.319 then we had a circumstance where like sug Knight, but 0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:13.319 Lyle was the first person I got to see and 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:17.239 listen to how people perceived the famous person. And it 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:19.480 was like, damn, is that how you niggas talk about me? 0:50:20.200 --> 0:50:22.239 Is you niggas talk about me like that? You know 0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:25.239 what I mean? So I felt protective of him because 0:50:25.280 --> 0:50:28.440 it was like selfishly protective of me, Like fuck that. 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:31.640 And so he they he was playing on the line 0:50:31.719 --> 0:50:34.480 and he you know, he had hard and he works out. 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:35.080 He's strong. 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:36.120 Motherfucker. 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:37.920 Elbowed him in his lip, and I just was like, 0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:42.040 Nigga the next motherfucker that tries to hurt somebody on purpose, 0:50:42.120 --> 0:50:45.239 as opposed to just football boss up, it's up, it's 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:47.960 it's man and the whole team. Yeah, Nigga bother with 0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.960 everybody agreed and and he got to do his thing, 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:53.160 you know. And he ain't to say he needed me 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:56.280 to do that for him, but somebody needed to say something. 0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.959 Somebody had to fucking say something like Man, so you were. 0:50:59.880 --> 0:51:02.040 Like kind of like protecting them loky, I mean high key. 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:06.000 I stood up for him. Lyle could protect itself. He's 0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.239 a sturdy man. You know, he's a good dude. Lyle 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:11.080 could protect itself. But what was happening, you know, he 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.720 was like it was being hey, like he was being hazed, 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.839 and he was tolerating it because you know, he wanted to. 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.719 Prove ft shit. Yeah yeah, And. 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.160 I just like man could bus his lip, Like man, 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.880 the next motherfucker to do something that I think is intentional, 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:25.120 We're gonna get their ass whipped. 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.319 So because that's the thing is like when we always 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.960 hear so much about like the politics of the California 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:33.280 prison system, right, but if like someone like the Menendez 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:35.640 brothers goes in, do they like who do they fall 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.840 in line with? Or are they just separate from everybody 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:39.279 because of their status of that? 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.040 So that goes back to the point I was making 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.880 about the difference in my perspective as a criminal versus 0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:46.759 the person who was a public interest had I know 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:49.920 the Roaddy case and I've been around Lyle by the 0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:54.200 time they decided Okay, this motherfucker the MTV interview in 0:51:54.280 --> 0:51:57.120 the Tuki Williams letter and the letter from Monster really 0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:00.920 pushed it over the edge. But Lyll and Air operate 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:07.719 above the population and they move like politicians, not in 0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:10.319 a bad way, but they're very much hyper aware of 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:14.080 the impact of their arrival and what that means and 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:17.680 their influence. You know, they got the Secretary of Corrections 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:20.840 on speed Now some of them were coos on the yard. 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:24.200 It's one of the most high profile cases ever ever. 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:28.120 And so did we talk about two very highly influential 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:31.200 motherfuckers that could pretty much get whatever they want done 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.640 done because they are doing it for the right reason, 0:52:35.080 --> 0:52:36.880 you know what I mean. They're not really trying to 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:39.360 do some crazy shit. Most of the time. It's beneficial 0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.560 to the population and something that the warden could be 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:44.759 proud to put in his hat. And so Law was 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:48.320 the one who started saying, you're using your you're using 0:52:48.320 --> 0:52:51.799 your fame incorrectly, and you're having a rougher experience. So, 0:52:51.880 --> 0:52:54.799 like I went through smuggling and beating rules, there is 0:52:54.880 --> 0:53:00.719 no rule trying to record songs to spinning about four 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:05.759 years of inside the University of Eric in louoman Indez right, 0:53:06.600 --> 0:53:09.880 and all of a sudden, I'm building studios on the 0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:13.239 yard now with permission of the fucking wharden. It went 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:14.239 from it when we. 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:17.280 Were sneaking around it was contraband, and now you got permission. 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:19.320 And now I'm building a fucking studio for anybody you 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.240 got there, anybody who's if you're staying out of trouble, 0:53:22.239 --> 0:53:23.319 that's what you gotta be doing. 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:24.319 And you can get studio time. 0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:24.960 You could get. 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:27.960 Studio time and a podcast on that yard. We were 0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:28.680 able to do it. 0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:29.280 Wow. 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:31.919 Yeah, man, I was out there, little U terms there, 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:37.400 the big homie Ron Ron Ron from sixties. Uh I 0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:40.320 had because a lot of those programs in wy Lyle 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:42.800 and Eric started. Because Eric had a lot of groups 0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:45.960 that he was founding. He was found that there was 0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:49.160 no anger management group. He would create it and find 0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:52.200 a staff member willing to be the facilitator and get 0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:53.960 the cops to sign off on it, the wharden to 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.359 sign off on it, get a space for it, and 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:59.120 now he can pand in out certificates. He's like, man, 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:01.040 people need this shit in their records when they go 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:04.960 to board. So between Dooney and the Menendez brothers, they 0:54:05.000 --> 0:54:07.480 were the first ones to start allowing me to understand 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.600 that this shit could go in my file, and so 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:11.959 that's why I was butt naked with nothing in my file. 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.359 Really the show for you know, he doctor Lear had 0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:17.680 to look for that ship. He was looking for it 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:19.840 and finding it. Like this motherfucker got the title to 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.480 a house in the central file because they have to 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:25.440 they have to notarize it. So it's like you you 0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:28.680 you have a title to a home in your file, 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:31.680 you have anger management slips, you have Like, how come 0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:33.600 why did I have to look for that? There's a 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:36.279 section that could have just been in It's a section 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:38.319 for in your file for that, and it's not there. 0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.759 I had to go find it. And people who wrote 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:44.080 good stuff that I didn't know about counselor saying, you know, 0:54:44.239 --> 0:54:47.600 mister Brown is one of the most intelligent men you'll meet, and. 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.400 You know whatever they write knowing those guys, did you 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.680 watch the FX shows that Nah? 0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:57.640 I never watched it. I didn't have to. Yeah, you're 0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:00.879 like I kind of percent of all of that shit, Yeah, 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:02.440 and all of it directly from them. 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:05.960 But do those guys like are they like pretty sensitive 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:08.480 to like narratives that get put out about what happened, 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:10.400 and like, you know, obviously there's ever. I mean, I 0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.759 feel like when you're that famous for such a huge 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:16.960 case like that, you almost can't let the noise get 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:18.480 to you because you'll fucking go crazy. 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:21.160 I'm sure you will er crazier because you're gonna get 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.800 that experience is crazy, right, and so if you wasn't crazy, 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:26.280 you're gonna be though, you're gonna. 0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:27.920 Get you pay attention to all of that, and like 0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:29.160 what people think about. 0:55:28.920 --> 0:55:34.240 You, and yeah, and so you they have impenetrable senses 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:38.440 of self. Right, if you believe the cheers, you'll believe 0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:41.239 the booze. If you believe the booze, you're gonna believe 0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:43.120 the cheers. You gotta just kind of be right in 0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:45.600 the middle, skat in the middle man for sure. Yeah, man, 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.480 it's the best way to do it. Even if you 0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:50.560 if I always say you can't read the comments or if. 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:52.680 You read them, you gotta read them. You gotta observe them. 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:55.839 Yeah, I can observe you don't have to internalize them. 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:57.920 Yeah for su Yeah, this I don't know this motherfucker 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:00.279 is like Oprah said, like they you not even talking 0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:02.520 about me. I don't know you, and you don't know me. 0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.319 You just talking about what you think and I don't 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:06.920 have to give a fuck. I have to worry. I 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:10.600 care what my bank account looked like. My babies is fed, 0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:11.759 so that's more important to me. 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:12.920 And they were like that. 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:17.239 They were they could be impacted, you know, or they 0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.480 would impact each other. One of them do an interview 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.520 and didn't talk about it to the other one first 0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:22.279 or write about it. 0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:24.120 It's like, man, when you do you know it. 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:27.040 Have a a little bit of intensity involved in that 0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:29.560 with the two of them, But for the most part, 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:34.239 they taught me to be so centrally focused and obsessed 0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.520 with your primary goal, which for them was quality of life. 0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:40.400 Because I've always said, man, you motherfuckers are two of 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:42.440 the best human beings I've ever met. You're going to 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.440 get out of here. Because they were always talking to 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.040 me about going home, but it was weird to talk 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:48.800 to them about it because they had life without the 0:56:48.880 --> 0:56:50.000 possibility of Barak. 0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:52.239 So them working so hard on me. 0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.319 It's a trip when you think that these motherfuckers were 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:57.719 sentenced in the way where they were never getting home, 0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:00.480 but they are the ones who are helping everybodybody else 0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:03.360 on their way home. It was it was them and 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.640 nobody talked about it, and nobody stood on it, like don't. 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:08.640 I wouldn't want to be associated with that ship on 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:09.680 some gangster shit if. 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:10.680 I like, what the funk without? 0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:12.120 You know what I mean? If I could sit in 0:57:12.200 --> 0:57:14.080 this chair and not talk about that, I would, But 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.240 it would be some sucking shit because the truth is 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:19.200 they was in there helping every fucking body, including me, 0:57:19.280 --> 0:57:22.000 anybody that was willing to do it. And so you 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:24.640 go to board, they'll deny you for not having AA, 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.560 they'll deny you for not doing NA, they'll deny you 0:57:27.680 --> 0:57:30.120 for not doing anger management, but they also not going 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.920 to have that program. Right, So you out here on 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:35.720 this yard and none of the ship. The board is 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:36.480 asking you for us. 0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:38.480 Yeah, yeah, you have any sort of access to do 0:57:39.000 --> 0:57:40.560 And now can you get a transfer? 0:57:41.200 --> 0:57:43.160 When do you go to board? It's the transfer for 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:46.080 the board. Can you transfer somewhere that does have any 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:48.400 does they do they have it? Where you would transfer at? 0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:51.440 So the best solution is you gotta deal with this warden. 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:54.640 You gotta write a memo and you gotta set that 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.160 bitch up. And these are the buy I wrote to NA. 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:01.200 They have agreed to give us. This applies and they're 0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:03.120 asking if we give them a space, they will send 0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:07.320 a facilitator in here, and like, okay, boom boardon signs 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:09.480 that bitch boom and here it goes. And he's like, 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:12.880 don't fuck me over right, I don't want nothing. Don't 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.439 be in there fucking these bitches. Don't do some crazy shit. 0:58:16.560 --> 0:58:19.439 Don't smuggle nothing in my prison. I'm in a sign 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:21.480 that I'm putting my name on this and you got 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.439 to stand on that. And that's what they was doing. 0:58:23.520 --> 0:58:25.520 And uh, as a result, I ended up with ten 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:28.959 million different kinds of certificates and all kind of shit 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:31.120 in the right spot of my file. So by the 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:32.720 time I went to board, it. 0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:35.960 Was up YO, break it down to me, because you 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:40.800 going gold while incarcerated is crazy, but you're also in 0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:43.840 a position that could be a vulnerable one where you're 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:47.320 in jail, so you could be taking advantage of there's 0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:50.320 a lot of money, yeah happening. I mean even if 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.240 you sell one hundred thousand records in the nineties, like 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:55.480 that's like real money, right, Oh yeah, So how are 0:58:55.520 --> 0:58:58.480 you keeping track of the money that's coming in from 0:58:58.520 --> 0:59:00.840 all this music? And how how are you making sure 0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:04.440 that like your finances are aligned, you're not getting fucked like. 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:09.840 Yeah, man, I did it like against it for many years. 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:13.520 You know, my own boys, big pool. You know, I 0:59:13.600 --> 0:59:16.400 have people in place from from Garden Block who were 0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:18.520 making sure shit was going away I wanted. And then 0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:21.560 my relationship with Cedric was different from a lot of 0:59:21.960 --> 0:59:25.600 other people. So Cedric protected me from a lot of things. 0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:29.800 And then you know, I would get fifty thousand transferred 0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:33.640 over here. And now, like what I like to say 0:59:33.720 --> 0:59:35.840 is they have a cup of water, but I control 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:39.320 the spout, and so somebody could fuck off what I 0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:41.560 put there. But all they did was teach me I 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:45.000 can't put nothing there. But even that was an expensive 0:59:45.080 --> 0:59:48.400 learning experience. So you got my aunts. My family started 0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:52.000 tripping like, hey man, such and such a set money 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:53.840 on fire. Like one of my aunts had a real 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:56.800 strong conversation with me about too. That same year that 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:59.840 Vengeance's Mind comes out and does one hundred thousand copies 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:03.560 and we're getting seven dollars a pop for these motherfuckers, right, 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:05.720 So we talked about a week we made seven hundred 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:08.840 thousand in a week before taxes and whatever, and so 1:00:10.560 --> 1:00:12.800 my aunt was like, listen to me, and so you 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:14.800 know that I had a very strong visit with my 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:18.600 sister and my family, and I hired a lawyer. So like, 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:23.040 one of my guys came home from Afghanistan, and you know, 1:00:23.200 --> 1:00:24.800 he was writing to me, and I always wrote the 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:27.560 military back still if I see in my eye acknowledged that, 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:30.640 you know, they riding on him, been a hummer, strapped 1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:33.000 the fuck up, bumping You better bring your knight to 1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:35.120 the yard. They mean it. You know what I mean 1:00:35.240 --> 1:00:37.680 out here just do or die and they bump, bump do. 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:40.080 I made do or Die music, So it's a lot 1:00:40.120 --> 1:00:41.600 of them move fucked with me. And so one of 1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:43.520 the guys that I was writing back and forth with 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:46.120 came home and was like, man, I don't know what 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:47.840 the fuck I'm gonna do with my life. I was like, 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:49.760 I got you. And he started just doing any and 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:53.480 everything getting it done. And he went and found the lawyer, 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:56.720 He went and found the accountant, and then I used 1:00:56.760 --> 1:00:59.520 the lawyer and accountant to build my LLC while I 1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:02.439 was still there. So in two thousand and five, block 1:01:02.480 --> 1:01:07.120 Start Entertainment Incorporated. I had That was my first iteration, 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:10.160 and I got all my articles done and then my 1:01:10.280 --> 1:01:12.840 lawyer went and got the accountant. Really, so my guy 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:17.640 Mike found the lawyer the Won Tribe Law Corporation. I 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:20.680 got Scott Hervey from the Wine Tribe Law Corporation, and 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:26.280 then I ended up getting the accountant. And then those 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:29.120 two people. That was it. That was it, those two firms, 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:32.880 the law firm and my accountant firm. I was good. 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:35.800 And now if I want to send something somewhere, I will. 1:01:35.960 --> 1:01:39.720 If I don't, I want. And then attorney client trust account. 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:42.440 So I started dumping all my money in there, because 1:01:42.880 --> 1:01:46.200 if the courts or anybody wanted to see it, they 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:49.600 had to subpoena the records. You couldn't just say hit 1:01:49.680 --> 1:01:51.800 the bank or just decide you want to know what 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:54.440 my finances are. I had it set up in an 1:01:54.480 --> 1:01:57.400 attorney client trust account where they would even have to 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:59.600 notify us that that was something they wanted to do, 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:02.360 or my lawyer would have the ability to say that 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:04.760 this was something that he didn't have to reveal and 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:06.760 fight over it. At least give us a chance to 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:08.960 figure out what I wanted to do. So I got 1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:11.080 set up by two thousand and five. I was set 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:13.480 up to have a life, you know what I mean. 1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:15.400 And then I mean that's I mean, that's still like 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:19.560 fifteen years later from when you go in, right, yeah. 1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:21.720 About that, Yeah that was my fifteenth year. 1:02:21.880 --> 1:02:24.240 Yeah, so that's like there's still a lot of money. 1:02:25.080 --> 1:02:27.280 So what do you get out of prison? And you're 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:30.480 because you were able to take those you're you're fine, 1:02:30.800 --> 1:02:34.600 Like you have to least some sort of financial security. 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:38.720 Yeah. Absolutely, And I came home with you know, my 1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:42.040 ex wife was somebody who you know, and we had 1:02:42.120 --> 1:02:44.880 trained that way when we first met, she was in 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:47.280 a small apartment, you know what I mean, just trying. 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:49.600 Was this someone you met before you went to jail? 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:52.400 Nah? We met while I was doing my time, And 1:02:52.560 --> 1:02:55.080 so how does that work? By the way, man, you 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:57.240 want to be loved? Man, you trace fine love. 1:02:57.880 --> 1:02:58.040 Nah. 1:02:58.200 --> 1:03:00.520 Sometimes it's the hommies hooking you up or somebody you 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.200 have a peripheral thing with. But for me, you know, 1:03:03.520 --> 1:03:07.680 I ran through every distraction that you can have in life. 1:03:07.880 --> 1:03:12.080 In that environment, I was like Solomon and Ecclesiastics. I 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:15.160 did all the bullshit. So I got high, I got drunk. 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:18.840 The homie sending me bitches me Lynch and six did 1:03:18.920 --> 1:03:21.120 a competition on who could get the most bitches to 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:24.120 tattoo your name on them. I won from the pen, 1:03:24.280 --> 1:03:26.920 you know I won. We thought it was funny, you 1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:29.000 know what I mean, like on some gangster shit. So 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:33.320 we in there. You develop a view of relationships based 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:37.840 highly on getting things done. You need a runner more 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:39.480 than you need a bitch to be in love with, 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:40.600 you know what I mean. 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:43.040 For sure, you need someone who can trust to go, Hey, 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:44.360 I need you to go call at the lawyer. 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:45.920 I need you to go yeah. And i'ma love that. 1:03:46.040 --> 1:03:47.880 I don't give a fuck what you do with your vagina. 1:03:48.320 --> 1:03:50.240 You get in the bitch trying to convince you I 1:03:50.520 --> 1:03:52.680 love you and all I and blah blah blah. Man, 1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:54.680 you know how many bitches got pregnant while I was 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:58.000 doing my time from nineteen ninety two to two thousand 1:03:58.040 --> 1:04:00.600 and two. I had no less than six or seven 1:04:00.680 --> 1:04:05.040 bitches that was handling business for me up getting pregnant, 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:09.480 tattoos and everything. It's bitch pregnant the motherfucker. You know what, bitch, 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:11.840 You got my name all across your ass and nigga. 1:04:11.600 --> 1:04:12.160 Then skeeter it on. 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:13.960 You didn't let a nigga skeat on my name, you 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:17.640 punk ass bitch. No Diddy. Did they all tell you 1:04:17.720 --> 1:04:20.120 I'm gonna wait for you. Yeah, they all selling you 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:23.040 the same bullshit you selling them. It is what it is, 1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:25.800 right and you you providing for them and they making 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:28.320 runs and it's a job. They making some money, you 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:32.320 making some money. Mutually beneficial, mutually beneficial. So you by 1:04:32.360 --> 1:04:33.920 the time I got to the point where, oh I'm 1:04:33.920 --> 1:04:36.440 gonna be in this relationship, you know, you feel you 1:04:36.760 --> 1:04:38.680 get you come in and that aware of all this 1:04:38.880 --> 1:04:42.360 trash and it is. It's trauma too. It's trauma. You 1:04:42.440 --> 1:04:44.120 might have liked a few of these bitches, so it's 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:46.400 some trauma. So now you you got to a female 1:04:46.440 --> 1:04:48.880 that you're looking at, like, man, maybe I could maybe, 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:50.920 maybe we may be able to do this real thing 1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:53.320 I want to do because now I got the accountant 1:04:53.320 --> 1:04:55.640 and the lawyer. I got a little bit of a bag. 1:04:55.800 --> 1:04:58.120 I can send her ten bands here, I could send 1:04:58.160 --> 1:05:00.760 her five bands there. It's different, you know what I mean. 1:05:00.840 --> 1:05:04.240 So it's like you gonna stand on business, you know 1:05:04.280 --> 1:05:06.280 what I mean. So you got somebody and she was 1:05:06.320 --> 1:05:10.120 the type of person who would graduated college was you know, 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:14.320 I had a corporate psychology, and I'm instilling this gainst 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:16.560 the shit in that and so by the time I 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:18.680 got home, she had whipped them some ass, and the 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:21.240 lawyers and we had whipped some ass. And you know 1:05:21.480 --> 1:05:24.480 on the seven hundred thousand dollars house here, you know, 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:27.280 coming from a home that I think and we have 1:05:27.440 --> 1:05:30.400 one in Sparks. And when they built that Tesla Battery 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:34.400 factory sold that and got a bag and used that 1:05:34.560 --> 1:05:37.080 bag to get the house. You know, the bigger the 1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:39.600 bigger spots. So I don't even know I'm getting out 1:05:39.680 --> 1:05:41.400 and I got a home in the gated community in 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:42.480 Las Vegas. 1:05:42.200 --> 1:05:44.640 And I'm I'm still in the pen crazy. 1:05:45.120 --> 1:05:47.120 And the title for that is in my in my 1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:49.480 file because I had to you know, I had to 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:51.720 notarize it, so the notary come in, you got to 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:54.200 stamp at the record and that went in my file. 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:57.160 So they knew that too. You know, that motherfucker out 1:05:57.160 --> 1:05:58.800 of the house. He got this, He got that. They 1:05:58.880 --> 1:06:01.280 was aware of it in the business that I built. 1:06:01.360 --> 1:06:03.600 So yeah, I started wanting to have a real life 1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:07.440 for myself. And now i'm your brain development. I hit 1:06:07.480 --> 1:06:09.600 twenty five, I knew, like, damn man, it's a lot 1:06:09.640 --> 1:06:12.680 of bullshit going on. I'm full of shit. Everybody's full 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:15.760 of shit. But the music was honest. I was being 1:06:15.800 --> 1:06:19.680 honest in them lyrics, and so I just went into 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:20.960 start adulthood. 1:06:21.040 --> 1:06:21.160 Man. 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:24.640 I decided, like, I want to be grown. My body 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:26.960 was already. I told one of my little homies this, nigga, 1:06:27.000 --> 1:06:28.520 you know, you could just wake up in the morning 1:06:28.600 --> 1:06:30.400 and be like, I'm grown and you would be right. 1:06:31.800 --> 1:06:33.440 He's like, what you mean. I'm like, what is your 1:06:33.760 --> 1:06:36.160 I said, nigga, your New Year's resolution is going to 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:39.440 be to be a man, be an adult. Your body 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:42.040 already did it. It's just now decision got to be 1:06:42.160 --> 1:06:45.160 mad and I had already done that. Oh two was 1:06:45.200 --> 1:06:48.200 when I started my tenth year. I'm rocking and rolling 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:51.080 that whole time, any and everywhere I go, Right, it's 1:06:51.200 --> 1:06:55.000 Melee's all this bullshit, dope, smuggling shit in making music, 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:57.520 rocking and rolling. I get to two thousand and two, 1:06:57.600 --> 1:06:59.720 two thousand and three, two thousand and four, two thousand 1:06:59.720 --> 1:07:01.479 and five, if I got the lawyer, I got the count, 1:07:01.520 --> 1:07:04.120 and I got a woman that's going hard on some 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:06.600 adult shit. And I'm thinking, like, all right, if I 1:07:06.640 --> 1:07:08.720 got to do the rest of my life, I'm gonna 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:10.840 do it like this. And then over the course of 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:16.200 that from five to twenty twelve, you have I start 1:07:16.280 --> 1:07:19.440 going to the psychologist Doney tell me to do these 1:07:19.520 --> 1:07:20.360 programs right. 1:07:20.440 --> 1:07:22.400 That becomes like, oh, there's a light at the end 1:07:22.400 --> 1:07:23.880 of the tunnel. Potentially there's a. 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:26.040 Way of life. I didn't even I just wanted to 1:07:26.080 --> 1:07:27.320 if I was gonna be in there for the rest 1:07:27.360 --> 1:07:28.760 of my life, I wanted to do it like a 1:07:28.840 --> 1:07:31.200 g I wanted to be a grown ass man. I 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:33.080 wanted to be in control of whatever part of my 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:36.160 destiny I could control, and so I focused on that. 1:07:36.720 --> 1:07:40.240 And then Miller versus Alabama start popping up, and shit 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:42.760 was on the cover of the USA today. I was like, ooh, 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:47.040 we like nigga a big homie said. People started, hey man, 1:07:48.280 --> 1:07:51.120 hey man, oh Jesus talking, this is real. This is 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:54.440 on the Assembly four and then boom, by twenty twelve, 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:58.040 the legislation for Senate Bill two sixty member. My little 1:07:58.080 --> 1:08:02.520 hommy Bird, my young brother Bird actually brought that paper 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:04.920 to me because they knew I hated that. Don't bring 1:08:05.000 --> 1:08:07.000 me this shit talking about I'm going home. Same way. 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:09.560 I didn't want to do the lilon Eric's talking about 1:08:09.600 --> 1:08:12.680 this shit. I'm where, I'm fine, making my fucking burritos, 1:08:12.760 --> 1:08:16.320 watching Sunday night football. Bro, bring me this fucking bullshit 1:08:16.400 --> 1:08:18.840 have me down the street emotionally and my space. So 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:21.519 I'm like whatever, and this nigga was like he was like, ak, 1:08:21.680 --> 1:08:24.240 listen to me, ax, listen to me. He's standing at 1:08:24.280 --> 1:08:28.160 the door and he's like, you're going home. You're going home. 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:30.719 And he slid the papers through the door, even crying, 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:33.240 and we took off so I didn't have to see 1:08:33.280 --> 1:08:35.680 him cry. And I read that shit. I was like, 1:08:35.760 --> 1:08:38.759 what the fuck. I went and jumped on the phone, 1:08:38.880 --> 1:08:41.360 called home and it's like an whatever. You know, we 1:08:41.439 --> 1:08:44.840 hear this all the time, and my lady called, uh, 1:08:46.080 --> 1:08:50.000 my lawyer. I had Charles Carbum and she caught the 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:52.360 lawyer and he was like, yeah, this is real and 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:54.240 we'll have him out of there. It's gonna take me 1:08:54.280 --> 1:08:56.040 about three years, but he's coming home. 1:08:56.640 --> 1:08:59.240 And I was like, who, So now you got something 1:08:59.280 --> 1:08:59.840 to look forward to. 1:09:00.160 --> 1:09:05.080 Yeah, so now we're hopelessness to maybe to hope to thinking. 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:07.640 I was thinking, now, man, I think I might get 1:09:07.680 --> 1:09:08.519 the fuck out of here. 1:09:09.240 --> 1:09:13.280 So you had an incident in twenty ten where you 1:09:13.280 --> 1:09:15.560 almost got killed in prison. They like to say it 1:09:15.720 --> 1:09:18.519 like I almost got killed when you got stabbed. Yeah, yeah, 1:09:18.520 --> 1:09:21.120 I did get Now this is in the middle of 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:24.360 the hope, at the end of the you know you see, yeah, 1:09:24.840 --> 1:09:26.559 you know there's a light at the end of the tunnel. 1:09:26.920 --> 1:09:28.559 It was a lot going on at that point. 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:31.839 Yeah, So what happened was it? So, from what I understand, 1:09:32.120 --> 1:09:36.040 you were essentially approached to like help put out some 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:38.200 music from somebody in prison, and you said no, or 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:39.799 so like give me the What happened? 1:09:39.920 --> 1:09:42.040 I think even the approach to give music was a 1:09:42.080 --> 1:09:45.240 red heerent. What really happened, and then we could talk 1:09:45.280 --> 1:09:48.120 about this now, was that I went on an attorney visit. 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:50.519 I read the rules, and then the rules your attorney 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:53.400 can do a deposition and bring a recording device. Okay, 1:09:53.760 --> 1:09:57.360 And so I'm still on my shit and this time 1:09:57.439 --> 1:09:59.880 what I'm motivated by is I wanted to record from 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:03.200 songs that represented my current philosophy. Yeah, where your head 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:05.519 is courtly, Yeah, I felt like I was being the 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:07.640 kid with the gun to his head was sixteen when 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:11.840 he took that picture that unforgiving x raighted. You know, 1:10:11.960 --> 1:10:15.439 I was a different person. So I'm like, I wanted 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:17.200 to make sure I could get some music done. So 1:10:17.280 --> 1:10:19.240 I go out with my lawyer and I'm recording the 1:10:19.320 --> 1:10:23.479 music and the rules. They can't listen to your attorney visit, 1:10:24.280 --> 1:10:27.000 but the cop in the room can hear me rapping 1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:29.280 in there, and so he don't know what to do. 1:10:29.400 --> 1:10:31.200 And they don't know the fucking rules. They learn the 1:10:31.280 --> 1:10:34.080 rules by fucking the rules up and getting corrected. They 1:10:34.120 --> 1:10:36.120 don't know the fucking book. We know the book better 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:38.360 than they do, right, And so this dude calls his 1:10:38.479 --> 1:10:39.960 sergeant like, man, I don't know what to do. 1:10:40.120 --> 1:10:41.519 But this dude is in there recording. 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:45.080 He's rapping, he's recording raps, and the sergeant busts in 1:10:45.160 --> 1:10:47.080 the room and he picked all the equipment up and 1:10:47.160 --> 1:10:50.639 he took the fucking raps and he cuts my lawyer out. 1:10:51.080 --> 1:10:54.439 And I'll tell him, hey, man, you're making the mistake stards, 1:10:55.080 --> 1:10:56.439 you're making the mistakes stars. 1:10:56.960 --> 1:10:58.160 He's like, yeah, you get. 1:10:58.040 --> 1:10:59.880 The fuck out of here. The fuck you think you're 1:11:00.000 --> 1:11:02.040 you and take your eyes back to your cell. I said, 1:11:02.320 --> 1:11:03.920 you don't have to talk to me like that, Sir. 1:11:04.520 --> 1:11:07.680 You're making a mistake, Sarge, You're making a mistake. So 1:11:07.800 --> 1:11:09.760 I go back and they put me in my cell. 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:12.719 About thirty minutes later, they called me to the program office. 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:14.720 Or walk in the program office and I can see 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:17.400 the people standing there. Now, the lawyers are here, I 1:11:17.479 --> 1:11:20.040 can see the higher ups are here, and I sit 1:11:20.120 --> 1:11:22.360 in the chair. Nick Large and is standing there looking 1:11:22.439 --> 1:11:24.559 like he fucking got a canary in his mouth because 1:11:24.600 --> 1:11:27.599 he got checked. And the captain is there, and they 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:30.479 got these fucking papers they want me to sign, and 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:33.639 I'm like, yeah, what we're doing and they like, well, 1:11:33.760 --> 1:11:37.679 mister Brown, looks like we have ourselves a pickle. Whatever 1:11:37.840 --> 1:11:40.599 you may have been doing is not against the rules. 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:42.160 I was like, that's why I was doing it. 1:11:42.560 --> 1:11:43.200 Yeah, I'm aware. 1:11:43.360 --> 1:11:45.960 I'm aware of that, But what they would like is 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:48.360 for me to talk about it outside of that fucking 1:11:48.880 --> 1:11:52.120 legal visit, because I'm only protected that in that legal visit. 1:11:52.560 --> 1:11:54.320 So I'm aware of that, so I'm not about to 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:57.400 acknowledge nothing that I was doing. So they were like, well, 1:11:57.720 --> 1:12:00.320 how many songs did you record? And I didn't answer 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:02.840 the question, and then I finally said it is do 1:12:03.040 --> 1:12:06.160 you think I'm stupid? Like DoD we think I'm stupid. 1:12:06.240 --> 1:12:09.320 I know what's going on here. You got checked. I 1:12:09.479 --> 1:12:11.920 told you to leave me alone. I told you you 1:12:12.000 --> 1:12:13.840 were making a mistake. And when I'm done with you, 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:16.240 you're gonna be working in the tower outside of the 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:18.720 prison by yourself for eight hours with a pair of 1:12:18.760 --> 1:12:22.400 binoculars watching tumbleweeds when I'm done with you, cause you 1:12:22.439 --> 1:12:24.679 should have left me the fuck along. So they don't 1:12:24.840 --> 1:12:27.920 like that. They don't like that. That's too much power. 1:12:28.320 --> 1:12:30.720 They got to leave this dude the fuck alone. And 1:12:30.800 --> 1:12:33.519 he got a lawyer, and he's got he's got some money. 1:12:33.640 --> 1:12:36.640 I'm too protected. We can't send me back to the 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:39.920 yard and X ray it dies and that's gonna be okay, 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:42.600 Like it ain't that kind of circumstance. So what what 1:12:42.720 --> 1:12:45.840 can they do? The Son of Sam lawsuit didn't work. 1:12:46.200 --> 1:12:48.240 The San of Sam Long got struck down by the 1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:51.360 Kyle count your Supreme Court. This is not against the rules. 1:12:51.439 --> 1:12:53.400 What I just tried to do. I don't even have 1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:56.200 possession the contra man. And you can't even say that 1:12:56.360 --> 1:12:59.680 you heard even you heard that. You can't even if 1:12:59.720 --> 1:13:02.360 you say you heard it. You're in the checkmate, right. 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:05.479 So give me my ship and I'm I'm going back 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:08.360 to my cell correct, and it's like, yeah, that's what 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:10.760 it is. So I go back to this cell. Sergeant's 1:13:10.840 --> 1:13:13.960 up in that tower, you know that version of that tower, 1:13:14.560 --> 1:13:16.880 and his friends are mad about that. So now I 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:20.719 got this crop of angry cops who who are upset 1:13:21.320 --> 1:13:25.720 that they just got defeated like seos, and I get 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:29.639 warned about that. Get I get warned that hey. 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:31.320 There's they ain't fucking with you. 1:13:31.960 --> 1:13:34.640 There are there's cops who are fans of me and 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:37.280 that are hearing the talk, and they're like, man, these 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:39.640 dudes are advocating for something to happen to you. Man, 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:41.680 be aware of that. Be aware. And I'm like, I 1:13:41.720 --> 1:13:43.920 don't give a fuck. Like if somebody think I did 1:13:44.080 --> 1:13:46.640 all that time and I'm standing on that yard that 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:49.320 day and don't know that this is going down, then 1:13:49.360 --> 1:13:52.320 they they ain't never did no time. So I'm outside 1:13:52.479 --> 1:13:55.360 because I didn't give a fuck. Bro, I've seen worse 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:58.400 than that. To me, these was kids trying to they 1:13:58.520 --> 1:14:01.960 was playing, they playing tough. They had everybody had an 1:14:02.000 --> 1:14:04.920 opportunity to go be tough. I didn't change my life, 1:14:04.960 --> 1:14:07.320 got my shit together. I'm just dropping me some rhymes. 1:14:07.400 --> 1:14:10.600 So approaching me about doing anything for them. Was we 1:14:10.800 --> 1:14:13.559 used to do that to people, you know what I mean, Like, Hey, hommie, 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:16.519 what's that? And you got my my five dollars, you 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:18.800 get mad de yoda in that tooth paste I gave you. 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:22.360 Ain't man all we with and we was gonna anyway. 1:14:22.840 --> 1:14:24.640 It was gonna happen. It wasn't no getting out of it. 1:14:24.800 --> 1:14:27.719 So when them dudes started that whole make an album 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:30.160 for me thing, or we need two grand or this 1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:31.920 or that, I was like, man, I'm not giving a 1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:34.840 nigga a souper on. I'm not doing nothing I don't 1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:37.720 want to do. And again, I'm the biggest motherfucker on 1:14:37.800 --> 1:14:40.360 the yard, right. I didn't start peeling the weight off 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:43.560 until I got to board and my lawyer was like, 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:46.640 you're a black man with all this hair and all 1:14:46.680 --> 1:14:49.479 these muscles and all this. You're terrifying to look at 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:52.519 to the people you were about to. My lawyer told 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:54.439 me to cut my hair. My lawyer told me to 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:57.600 lose some weight. My lawyer told me the guy the 1:14:57.720 --> 1:14:58.679 perception is everything. 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:00.840 And then my health told me keep it this way. 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:02.880 You know what I mean. Now that I'm fifty years 1:15:02.880 --> 1:15:05.880 old and free, but at the time. I'm not worried 1:15:05.880 --> 1:15:07.960 about nobody doing nothing and me and not because of 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:12.360 no tough shit. I just believe, man, I believe in 1:15:12.439 --> 1:15:15.800 something greater than me. Man. They call it God, people 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:20.719 call it the universe. Man, Alahuac bar is how I feel. Nigga, 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:24.160 if it's meant for me today, let's go. I want 1:15:24.200 --> 1:15:26.599 to know. I'm not waking up and thinking this nigga 1:15:26.600 --> 1:15:29.040 could whoop me. You gotta come and do it. You 1:15:29.160 --> 1:15:31.120 get taking a life, they call it you. I'm not 1:15:31.240 --> 1:15:34.639 giving you shit. And so we was outside and niggas 1:15:34.680 --> 1:15:37.000 walked up and I see that these you don't have 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:39.320 no business coming this direction. I'm at a table for 1:15:39.439 --> 1:15:41.799 Cripson blood. You know what I mean. It's a piru 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:45.400 from Cedar Block over here, it's in San Diego, Keyway, 1:15:45.479 --> 1:15:48.000 it's a brother from the Bay. It's just a it's 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:51.640 a black table. And so I just my instincts is 1:15:51.720 --> 1:15:53.960 the nigga got too close. I went straight at him 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:57.120 and back back bap, and he got dropped. And it 1:15:57.200 --> 1:15:58.920 turns out that that was the person that had that 1:15:59.320 --> 1:16:02.200 the primary weapon that would have been most harmful. So 1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:05.360 like D the biggest threat. Yeah, and it was good 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:08.479 because he was the tough one. And so now everybody 1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:11.759 else is thinking now and you're supposed to run. Somebody 1:16:11.840 --> 1:16:13.760 pulled the knife on you, you're supposed to run. But 1:16:14.320 --> 1:16:17.479 burying Dony and others, I knew that if you turn 1:16:17.560 --> 1:16:20.600 your back, you're done. You gotta nigga, we gotta do this. 1:16:21.160 --> 1:16:22.920 And then doing so, you could look that man in 1:16:23.000 --> 1:16:25.840 his eyes, keV. You could look him in his eyes 1:16:25.920 --> 1:16:28.880 and see after position Nigga's on the ground, you could 1:16:28.880 --> 1:16:31.320 see they made him do it. You didn't want to 1:16:31.360 --> 1:16:34.080 come up to do it. You don't know we doing 1:16:34.160 --> 1:16:36.840 this now. I'm talking to people. We in the same 1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:39.599 amount of trouble. If we stop right now or if 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:41.920 we keep going this up, it's this is it. And 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:43.640 I'm kind of it's a couple of them that I 1:16:43.720 --> 1:16:45.960 wanted to do something too for a while, and I 1:16:46.120 --> 1:16:48.000 wasn't in a position in my life to be able 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:52.080 to start nothing, to just jump off. I couldn't start nothing, 1:16:52.160 --> 1:16:54.559 but you could defend yourself. But I could defend myself. 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:56.960 And so I got to beat a couple motherfuckers up, 1:16:57.000 --> 1:16:59.320 and I got a couple scratches and scrapes and bruises, 1:16:59.400 --> 1:17:01.320 but ain't nobody. He damn, they're killed nothing. 1:17:01.479 --> 1:17:01.719 Damn. 1:17:01.840 --> 1:17:03.000 That's a motherfucking lie. 1:17:03.240 --> 1:17:05.519 And so the reason they think that lie is because 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:07.600 when I was getting so I'm in the room and 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:10.400 they looking, they examining, and I got a motherfucker asking 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:13.200 me questions, and he's and the cops are mad about it. 1:17:13.280 --> 1:17:16.600 The nurses and shit are angry at this dude, and 1:17:16.680 --> 1:17:19.920 they like, hey, man, excuse me, and they were, you know, 1:17:20.120 --> 1:17:23.040 checking out to see if I'm in immortal danger right now. 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:25.600 And he's like, who did it? Who did it? And 1:17:25.680 --> 1:17:28.040 so I closed my eyes and leaned back. I swear 1:17:28.080 --> 1:17:31.920 to God, I swear on my mother's life, fully, fully, 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:35.799 conscious fully, fucking fine. Other than these scratches and whatever 1:17:35.880 --> 1:17:38.639 adrenaline through the roof, I don't feel no pain, of course, 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:42.599 And I leaned back and I just just quietly, just left, 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:46.280 just very quietly. And they responded like, oh my god, 1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:48.920 he's crashing, and so they start trying to take care 1:17:48.960 --> 1:17:51.599 of me. I was listening to this whole thing happened, 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:54.639 and that was how the investigator got ran out the room, 1:17:55.439 --> 1:17:58.479 and so everybody ran with that. X almost died, like whatever, 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:01.880 if that makes me, people feel better than good for them. 1:18:02.160 --> 1:18:05.639 Yo, at what point in time, because you know there 1:18:05.720 --> 1:18:09.280 were five people involved in the initial incident that led 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:13.800 you to go to prison. Anytime somebody loses the life, 1:18:13.880 --> 1:18:16.880 right right, right right, there's at what point in time 1:18:16.920 --> 1:18:20.040 do you face that and kind of come to peace? 1:18:20.479 --> 1:18:22.920 Like you said you had empathy, you eventually ended up 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:25.880 getting empathy for what happened, Like, yeah, like myself as 1:18:25.920 --> 1:18:28.479 a child. Yeah, like at the end of the day, 1:18:28.600 --> 1:18:32.000 like it was a crime that had a victim. So 1:18:32.280 --> 1:18:33.920 at what point in time did you kind of like 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:37.400 come to terms with the incident that night that changed 1:18:37.400 --> 1:18:38.160 your life forever? 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:41.400 I think I came to terms with that around two 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:45.439 thousand and two, in that window where you know too, 1:18:45.479 --> 1:18:47.120 I don't know how old I was by the end. 1:18:48.880 --> 1:18:50.800 Maybe I'll take thirty and four. 1:18:51.800 --> 1:18:54.840 So yeah, I'm twenty eight, so I'm old enough to 1:18:54.920 --> 1:18:57.760 have had that brain thing happen, and I'm old enough 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:00.720 to know it happened because I can like, doesn't look 1:19:00.800 --> 1:19:03.599 the same, colors, don't look the same. Motherfucker. 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:05.400 Once you hit a certain age, it's like you put 1:19:05.400 --> 1:19:07.000 a dupe pair of glasses on. You see the whole 1:19:07.000 --> 1:19:08.280 world different it really is. 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:11.439 And I felt like going from twenty five to thirty 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:14.200 and then going from thirty to thirty five, thirty five 1:19:14.280 --> 1:19:17.960 to forty. I've had these stages where life looked different, 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:22.640 and so I had I had trying to reconcile that 1:19:22.800 --> 1:19:25.840 within myself. I did a total of nine years of 1:19:25.920 --> 1:19:29.640 solitary confinement over making music, you know, getting locked up. 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:33.400 Three years here, two years here, bust therapy transfer me, 1:19:33.479 --> 1:19:33.920 I get off. 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:35.400 And that's when it's just you and your thoughts. 1:19:35.520 --> 1:19:36.639 It's just you and your thoughts. 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:40.720 When the door closes you either I can hear so 1:19:41.000 --> 1:19:43.120 like I'm in the hole at corkorand I'm in the shoot, 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:46.240 and so they have said, I'm in the ASU. I'm 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:49.200 into what they call Z unit. And there's a window 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:54.480 that's just a slice, right, it's a slice a rectangle 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:58.599 and standing up and you go look out that window 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:01.400 and there's a white wall and that's it. 1:20:01.680 --> 1:20:02.960 Left and right, that's it. 1:20:03.479 --> 1:20:06.000 And I got another one of those slits in the roof, 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:08.400 and every now and then I see the sun passed 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:11.880 by and magneto shit. And so I'm in this room 1:20:12.280 --> 1:20:14.840 and the bed is just stell is a is a 1:20:14.920 --> 1:20:17.719 concrete slab built out of the wall like a cave. 1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:20.919 They built out of concrete and it has a mattress 1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:23.599 on it, and then the wall itself where the sink 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:26.360 is is steel, and you have a sink and a toilet. 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:28.519 And I was and that was me in that room 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:32.040 and mail and in some books, you know what I mean. 1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:37.439 And so I'm listening to people crack. I can hear 1:20:37.520 --> 1:20:39.479 the dude down there that can't take it no more. 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:42.080 And I hear them running down there to go in there. 1:20:42.160 --> 1:20:44.720 You gotta come back. They got to come with the 1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:48.000 shield and the masks on and open his door and 1:20:48.080 --> 1:20:51.000 go wrestling. And maybe he smears shit all over his 1:20:51.160 --> 1:20:53.439 body and water all on the floor trying to get 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:56.559 out slippery, and they fighting. I can hear him down there, 1:20:56.600 --> 1:20:59.160 and next thing you know, they got him on Senna Kwon. 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:01.880 He running around ruling, you know what I mean. So 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:05.200 I can see the options. I can see the options. 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:08.799 So the options were, I'm waking up in the morning, 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:11.720 I'm gonna say a prayer, I'm gonna work out, I'm 1:21:11.720 --> 1:21:13.559 gonna drink my coffee. I'm gonna work out, and got 1:21:13.640 --> 1:21:16.560 my little pack of coffee, little steak coffee pack, and 1:21:16.560 --> 1:21:19.439 I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna take a bird bath. 1:21:19.479 --> 1:21:21.800 I'm gonna clean up my mess. I'm gonna get my 1:21:21.960 --> 1:21:24.599 reading in. I'm gonna finish my reading. I'm gonna write 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:27.200 my letters. I finish that. I'm gonna write me some songs. 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:29.040 I finish that. I'm gonna do some reading and go 1:21:29.160 --> 1:21:30.640 to sleep, and I'm gonna do this. 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:33.920 This is just that Roustie routine, like a machine. 1:21:33.720 --> 1:21:35.600 Like a machine, and I'm gonna put in what I 1:21:35.680 --> 1:21:38.400 want to put in. So I started reading anything that 1:21:38.680 --> 1:21:41.080 had to do with Solomon, anything that had to do 1:21:41.200 --> 1:21:44.280 with Jesus, anything that had to do with Mohammed, anything 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:46.560 that had to do with Buddha, anything that had to 1:21:46.600 --> 1:21:51.000 do with like John F. Kennedy, RFK, Martin Luther, King, 1:21:51.120 --> 1:21:55.240 Malcolm X. I'm like, I'm constructing a father figure for 1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:59.800 myself out of historical figures and quotes in Winston Church 1:22:00.760 --> 1:22:03.559 the most g But what the fuck was wrong with Hitler? 1:22:03.680 --> 1:22:06.960 If any was something wrong with Hitler? Was he was 1:22:07.040 --> 1:22:07.400 he right? 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:10.120 Or was he tripping? I read mine Camp. 1:22:10.400 --> 1:22:12.720 I read it like I want to know if I 1:22:12.840 --> 1:22:15.880 think you were tripping, Like, oh yeah, money was tripping. 1:22:16.360 --> 1:22:19.519 Money was tripping a little bit but I wanted to know. 1:22:19.640 --> 1:22:26.200 I wanted to understand historical figures, the Prince, Nicolo, Machiavelli, uh, everything, 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:28.280 everything that I could get my hands on, the play, 1:22:28.280 --> 1:22:33.519 those caves, the Socratic method, fucking Malcolm Gladwell. When the 1:22:33.680 --> 1:22:36.360 roots dropped, the tipping point, like I went into I 1:22:36.800 --> 1:22:38.760 did a deep dive. I went in the rabbit hole, 1:22:39.240 --> 1:22:41.920 the tipping point. Oh, Malcolm Gladwell, Like, who the fuck's 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:45.320 Malcolm Gladwell? What else did he write? And you know, Freakonomics. 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:49.200 I went from Freakonomics and got to tipping Point and 1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:52.320 then I got to Outliers, and Outliers changed my fucking 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:54.240 life when I read that book. 1:22:54.520 --> 1:22:56.759 So like being in the hole, like that's the approach 1:22:57.640 --> 1:23:00.240 people should take, but the other approaches you let like 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:03.320 you can't take it, and then you end up going 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:04.960 crazy to try to get out to what to maybe 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:07.760 go to the fucking like if you end up like yeah, 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:10.040 because at least that's you're getting out. 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:10.800 Yeah, at least you. 1:23:10.840 --> 1:23:13.120 Got your pudding and you got you and take your 1:23:13.120 --> 1:23:16.559 little pills and it's better than that. Maybe, I guess, 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:18.600 I don't know. I didn't want nothing to do with it. 1:23:19.120 --> 1:23:22.439 I felt like they couldn't have my brain, Doctor Markle. 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:26.439 I've read what he wrote about surviving a concentration camp 1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:28.639 and what he had that the last thing he had 1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:30.920 left when he didn't know if he was getting gassed tomorrow, 1:23:31.439 --> 1:23:33.720 all he could do is control what was going on 1:23:33.920 --> 1:23:36.360 here and here. That was it, and that's how it 1:23:36.439 --> 1:23:39.200 felt like. I'm in the corner and I'm not going 1:23:39.320 --> 1:23:41.680 under the bed, so we gotta fight. If you keep 1:23:41.720 --> 1:23:44.160 coming this way, we're gonna have to fight. I'm not 1:23:44.240 --> 1:23:46.759 going under the bed, you know. And it's a still slap. 1:23:46.840 --> 1:23:49.000 You can't go under the bed anyway, so like it's 1:23:49.000 --> 1:23:51.640 a concrete slab. So that was my philosophy. 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:54.920 You and brother lynch Man, obviously you guys are tied 1:23:55.000 --> 1:23:56.040 together forever. 1:23:56.080 --> 1:23:59.240 Forever, Doctor Dry and Snoop Dogg in Northern California. 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:04.200 Can you give me an idea of you know, because 1:24:04.240 --> 1:24:08.400 Lynch ended up working with Strange, right he did. I 1:24:08.439 --> 1:24:09.600 don't know if he still is or not, but he 1:24:10.600 --> 1:24:12.320 but he you know, he had signed with Strange And 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:16.320 was that kind of your introduction to Tech and Travis? 1:24:16.439 --> 1:24:19.680 And because when you got out, did you already have 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:23.280 a situation figured out with strange music. 1:24:24.240 --> 1:24:26.680 So while I was still incarcerated, and this will bring 1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:30.560 us to a couple of people we mentioned before. I 1:24:30.680 --> 1:24:36.080 was still incarcerated making music, and Brian Shafton actually ended 1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:38.840 up putting out music for me while I was incarcerated. 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:44.360 So Brian Shafton gave me a deal in twenty ten eleven, 1:24:44.479 --> 1:24:47.559 twenty eleven, like, I'm coming right off of this shit, 1:24:48.080 --> 1:24:50.760 because I did get my songs recorded and out, So 1:24:50.800 --> 1:24:53.400 I'm coming right off of this big old fight, and 1:24:53.680 --> 1:24:56.280 which was the police sent the niggas at me, right, 1:24:56.840 --> 1:24:58.960 so I get up because I put the sergeant in 1:24:59.080 --> 1:25:02.240 that in the corner of the earth. So I come 1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:06.599 from that to I get to the hot desert, which 1:25:06.640 --> 1:25:09.160 at the time is the most dangerous yard. So I 1:25:09.240 --> 1:25:12.640 get my reward for not getting in trouble because I 1:25:12.760 --> 1:25:15.240 was attacked, right. I didn't even gotta say shit, it's 1:25:15.320 --> 1:25:18.200 all this happened on camera. And think about this an 1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:23.240 attempted murder if the speculation is a trip. So anybody 1:25:23.360 --> 1:25:25.160 that's against that have been through some gangs, the shit, 1:25:25.240 --> 1:25:27.800 we just gonna do it like this, kiv An attempted 1:25:27.920 --> 1:25:31.080 murder on a prison yard, That'd be like an apartment 1:25:31.160 --> 1:25:35.160 complex that has' there's cameras everywhere, but these cops have 1:25:35.320 --> 1:25:37.479 also been on this yard with all of us for 1:25:37.720 --> 1:25:41.799 seven years, five years at a time. Right, we know whoever? 1:25:41.920 --> 1:25:44.559 You know all these guys. I see you guys every 1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:45.000 fucking day. 1:25:45.240 --> 1:25:47.880 Yeah, I know the motherfuckers at my gym. Now it's 1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:49.920 only been two years, but I know who that is. 1:25:50.040 --> 1:25:53.200 I know Bruce, I know Miss Tina Hi. Good morning, 1:25:53.240 --> 1:25:56.000 Miss Tina Hi. On the ray right right, same thing, 1:25:56.479 --> 1:26:05.080 so on camera, located weapons, they didn't disappear. Cops identify everybody. No, 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:09.320 all parties involved and attempted murder. And there's no there's 1:26:09.360 --> 1:26:10.120 no court case. 1:26:10.800 --> 1:26:11.679 That shit's crazy. 1:26:12.280 --> 1:26:18.920 No court case King's County right, Colinga, California. There's no 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:22.120 court case. Not one person ended up in court because 1:26:22.120 --> 1:26:26.040 you have an uncooperative, uncooperative victim, right, victim, So if 1:26:26.320 --> 1:26:29.280 don't matter if you won. So I did nine months 1:26:30.400 --> 1:26:33.760 locked up for nine months as a result of that 1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:37.240 for escalating to the point of not being a victim. 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:38.600 That's what they were trying to do to me. 1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:42.080 So because you defended yourself, you no longer became a victim. 1:26:42.120 --> 1:26:46.479 And because you weren't going to necessarily cooperate into the 1:26:46.520 --> 1:26:48.599 extent they wanted to. It didn't become a case. 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:51.920 I didn't I did, I didn't. I wasn't enough of 1:26:51.960 --> 1:26:55.280 it was I wasn't enough of a victim. I defended 1:26:55.360 --> 1:26:58.840 myself too well. When your choices are to die right 1:26:59.120 --> 1:27:02.599 or or or or win, which is to live, it's 1:27:02.760 --> 1:27:05.439 literally a life in that morning. How closer to everybody 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:07.720 they would have Maybe, yeah, I had to get I 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:09.720 had to want me to die out here, But. 1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:12.280 Think about how many how many times that happens in prison, 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:15.040 where just that kind of shit just gets swept into 1:27:15.080 --> 1:27:17.280 the rug, and like, people don't have justice, and there's 1:27:17.320 --> 1:27:18.680 family members out here that you want to know what 1:27:18.720 --> 1:27:19.280 happened to their. 1:27:19.200 --> 1:27:21.080 Fucking kid, and oh I saw a lot of that. 1:27:21.360 --> 1:27:23.360 Yeah, And then it's like it doesn't really matter because 1:27:23.360 --> 1:27:25.599 they look at you as second class citizens at this point, 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:28.559 and you're never gonna get your your true justice, never 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:29.320 for that family. 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:33.840 It's a difficult environment to have empathy for it, right, 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:37.519 So to get people to realize that if you're too 1:27:37.640 --> 1:27:40.600 defiant and the cops want you to die, because the 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:44.639 existence of a neo out here, there's somebody walking around 1:27:44.760 --> 1:27:48.400 we can't fucking punish, right, We can't stop him from 1:27:48.439 --> 1:27:51.080 making music. We can't we write him up as a 1:27:51.160 --> 1:27:53.439 slap on the risk. We can't take his money. He's 1:27:53.479 --> 1:27:56.760 going to visit, he's he's got his lawyers. He's like, 1:27:56.880 --> 1:27:59.200 what the fuck do you do? Right, Well, we're gonna 1:27:59.200 --> 1:28:01.479 get him what we're gonna whacking. We're gonna smut you up, 1:28:01.720 --> 1:28:02.960 accuse you of a bunch of shit. 1:28:03.240 --> 1:28:05.200 How do you get away? We're recording that album. 1:28:05.920 --> 1:28:09.120 People who can't read the rules, who can't even really understand, 1:28:09.479 --> 1:28:12.280 are easy to manipulate for sure, because if he did, yeah, 1:28:12.320 --> 1:28:15.920 how did he get away with that? Because there's no rule, 1:28:16.080 --> 1:28:19.040 dumb ass, it's not against the rules. But I'm not 1:28:19.160 --> 1:28:22.240 explaining that to motherfuckers who come up to me, because again, 1:28:22.840 --> 1:28:27.080 I'm a black male who comes from a crypt background. 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:30.360 I don't got to explain myself to no motherfucker that 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:32.680 ain't from what I'm from. I don't owe you no 1:28:32.800 --> 1:28:35.839 fucking explanation. And if I did give you an explanation, 1:28:36.000 --> 1:28:37.479 you want to know how I got it in here? 1:28:37.840 --> 1:28:40.040 You want to know how I did whatever you want? 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.160 What do you want to know that for? And who 1:28:42.240 --> 1:28:44.600 the fuck are you you know what I mean, And 1:28:44.720 --> 1:28:47.240 I'm big on that. I can go find out nigga 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:50.120 even told on all your homies, Like I'm not telling 1:28:50.160 --> 1:28:53.320 you how public. Yeah, I would have gave somebody some game. 1:28:53.680 --> 1:28:55.760 Hey man, you want to do your music. I respect that. 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:58.800 I've done that before, where somebody was busting and I 1:28:58.920 --> 1:29:00.720 see him and I'll be like, hey, check it out. 1:29:01.320 --> 1:29:02.160 And I pulled somebody. 1:29:02.240 --> 1:29:04.760 We locked up with any other artists who ended up 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:06.719 kind of getting out and doing something. 1:29:07.280 --> 1:29:10.040 Well, I mean, Razkas was there, you know me and 1:29:10.680 --> 1:29:12.920 I remember writing back and forth to Flesh and Bone 1:29:14.479 --> 1:29:17.160 man Stack a good dude, and so like me and Stack, 1:29:17.560 --> 1:29:20.519 we both you know, I started going to uh Islamic 1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:24.480 surfaces services. I started going to Juma and doing Ramadan, 1:29:24.560 --> 1:29:27.840 and so so was Flesh, and so we both had 1:29:27.880 --> 1:29:30.320 took Shahada, which is a part of my story y'all 1:29:30.400 --> 1:29:32.960 never really told. So, like a part of what changed 1:29:33.520 --> 1:29:36.799 for me was was getting into Islam, really really digging 1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:37.400 into Islam. 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:41.599 And like you kind of dug into every religion, I dug. 1:29:41.439 --> 1:29:43.639 Into all of them and land because I really did. 1:29:43.760 --> 1:29:45.880 I did dig into all of them. Yeah you should, 1:29:45.960 --> 1:29:48.200 but I landed in a place of I kind of 1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:51.000 liked how heat, I like mono theism, I like I 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:54.960 liked the concept of of this this particular construct. So 1:29:55.040 --> 1:29:58.080 I hung out there if the point of studying all 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:00.479 that stuff was to find somewhere to hang out, and 1:30:00.600 --> 1:30:03.760 I just thought, you know, the earliest oldest philosophy that 1:30:03.880 --> 1:30:05.960 I could find, that was what I wanted to rock with, 1:30:06.120 --> 1:30:07.960 you know what I mean, And so I kind of 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:11.240 landed there. But yeah, we used to be given, you know, 1:30:11.360 --> 1:30:13.559 get a letter to the e man and you take 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:15.280 it over there, and they were like, yeah, man, you know, 1:30:17.040 --> 1:30:19.200 it was beautiful to be in touch with everybody like that. 1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:22.360 But like dope ass people, the dopest rappers I ever 1:30:22.479 --> 1:30:26.840 met in prison never got out, Like there's a there 1:30:26.960 --> 1:30:30.839 was a cat from Compton. There's a cat from content fuckers, 1:30:30.840 --> 1:30:33.800 because man, there's a cat from Compton who I think 1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:37.240 was arguably the dopest rapper I ever ran into. Like 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:39.559 I think he was doper than it niggas on the streets, 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:42.960 like right at that if motherfuckers had heard him and 1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:45.040 we because you know, we go back and forth, he 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:47.320 spit a rhyme. Everybody that thought they could rap was 1:30:47.360 --> 1:30:49.120 gonna be my rapper to the point I was a 1:30:49.160 --> 1:30:52.000 battle rapper like you had to be. And so yeah, 1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:53.880 I ran into a lot of motherfuckers with a lot 1:30:53.920 --> 1:30:56.080 of talent, but not necessarily who came home and did 1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:56.560 nothing with it. 1:30:56.760 --> 1:30:58.800 Can you talk about just like how important you and 1:30:59.280 --> 1:31:03.479 Lynch's French has been to just yeah everything, man, like 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:04.040 I'm sure you. 1:31:04.120 --> 1:31:08.439 Know, yeah, that's my brother. I love Lynch. So so 1:31:08.840 --> 1:31:10.960 what I'm fifteen h. 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:18.160 Sixteenth, So December seventeenth, nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety excuse me. 1:31:18.280 --> 1:31:21.760 We have a party for my grandmother's death day. And 1:31:22.800 --> 1:31:26.920 my cousin Nicole brings six with her and six six 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:28.600 and Lynch and all of them were older than me, 1:31:29.280 --> 1:31:31.600 so you know, we were trafficking in different circles. I 1:31:31.640 --> 1:31:33.360 would come up to fuck with the big homies and 1:31:33.439 --> 1:31:35.400 go back into what I was doing. And Lynch was, 1:31:35.960 --> 1:31:38.120 you know, into hip hop that it was with the 1:31:38.240 --> 1:31:41.320 dancing and flipping and the rough busting rhymes, you know. 1:31:41.439 --> 1:31:44.000 But he from Tama Sharon and Kirk Waite, like he 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:47.200 from the gardens. He was outside, but he was outside 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:50.320 doing some shit that some dope shit, while we was 1:31:50.360 --> 1:31:52.800 doing dumb shit. And so like me, and Bo are like, 1:31:53.080 --> 1:31:55.880 I say, Ozone, but they was like, well they was 1:31:55.960 --> 1:31:58.200 like Ozone and Turbo and me and Bo was like 1:31:58.320 --> 1:32:00.479 old dog and can okay, you know what I mean? 1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:03.120 And so six showed up and I had all my 1:32:03.280 --> 1:32:06.240 rhymes on the walls, you know, thumb tacked and sheet 1:32:06.280 --> 1:32:08.200 protectors and shit, write a new one, put it on 1:32:08.280 --> 1:32:10.920 the wall, read them and I would just read my rhymes. 1:32:10.960 --> 1:32:12.639 That was kind of a thing for me. I kind 1:32:12.640 --> 1:32:14.320 of steal a tape of paper to the wall and 1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:16.760 just do free form righting and shit. 1:32:17.160 --> 1:32:20.920 And so, uh, six is like who wrote this shit? 1:32:21.000 --> 1:32:22.840 And it was like, you know, it's my shit. 1:32:23.000 --> 1:32:26.519 And I've been working with DJ Tantrum, Percy Hunter from 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:29.040 Flat Dog Crip, and so me and Percy was working 1:32:29.120 --> 1:32:32.560 on what ultimately would become the first half a Psychoactive 1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:34.960 and the entire niggas in Blackie Pee that I did. 1:32:35.600 --> 1:32:38.960 And Six was like, oh, nah, man, tomorrow, I'm gonna 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:40.960 bring my brother over, you know. And then Lynch was 1:32:41.080 --> 1:32:43.519 like had the name Ice Cold. His hip hop name 1:32:43.640 --> 1:32:46.920 was Ice Cold, and six is was stroubbed like he 1:32:47.040 --> 1:32:49.960 was you know, them niggas was tickers, and so he 1:32:50.080 --> 1:32:52.840 bring them over. We get there and I'm like, it's Kevin. 1:32:52.920 --> 1:32:55.400 Nigga's Kevin Man, you know what I mean. So I know, 1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:58.559 but Lynch. We look at Lynch like, oh, that nigga 1:32:58.640 --> 1:33:00.639 was talented out there on some it was our little 1:33:00.640 --> 1:33:05.599 Michael Jackson outside and so uh we bust rhymes all 1:33:05.720 --> 1:33:07.360 night and they like, man, if you could pay for 1:33:07.439 --> 1:33:09.479 your studio time, we'll put you in a real studio. 1:33:10.160 --> 1:33:11.840 So I'm like, hell yeah. I went to the big 1:33:11.880 --> 1:33:13.880 homies and told him what I wanted to do. I 1:33:14.000 --> 1:33:16.320 talked to Donkey Kong from PJ Watt shout out to 1:33:16.439 --> 1:33:19.760 shout out to my niggas from pj's Donkey Kong gave 1:33:19.840 --> 1:33:22.280 me you know, he hooked me up. I went to 1:33:22.360 --> 1:33:25.759 my big homie Ken, Big Ken Martin BK. He hooked 1:33:25.800 --> 1:33:28.719 me up, and I grind and grind and grind and grind. 1:33:28.800 --> 1:33:31.320 I was slinging on in the fifties, slanging in the 1:33:31.439 --> 1:33:35.680 Cadillac apartments, slanging in and flat in the flats, and 1:33:35.800 --> 1:33:39.559 I paid for my studio time. And what we would 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:41.560 do is like I'll get six hours and I'll do 1:33:41.720 --> 1:33:44.360 four hours, and Lynch would help us. We had all 1:33:44.400 --> 1:33:47.960 my samples, like almost everything came from Percy, and then 1:33:48.080 --> 1:33:49.880 Lynch will be like, hey, we should do this or 1:33:49.920 --> 1:33:52.759 we should do that. But Lynch gave us the process. 1:33:52.880 --> 1:33:55.360 He sat there in the engineering chair with the engineer 1:33:55.479 --> 1:33:57.960 next to him and kind of made sure everything. He 1:33:58.080 --> 1:34:01.120 doctor drake my shit, you know what I mean. And 1:34:01.240 --> 1:34:03.720 so the difference is I came out first because of 1:34:04.240 --> 1:34:06.840 I had access to money and I'm selling dope and 1:34:06.920 --> 1:34:08.840 I was on some gangs and shit, so I really 1:34:09.000 --> 1:34:09.599 was the baby. 1:34:09.960 --> 1:34:12.120 But I was just moving faster than everybody. 1:34:12.160 --> 1:34:14.639 And then bo came home while I was like halfway 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:17.920 through psychoactives. So like Bo's first times in a real 1:34:18.000 --> 1:34:20.640 studio was with me going in there to work with me, 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:25.920 work with Lynch and yeah, Lynch Lynch, Lynch was right there. 1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:29.080 So Boom. I ended up going to juvenile Hall on 1:34:29.200 --> 1:34:31.160 a joy ride. I'm joy riding. We was gonna go 1:34:31.240 --> 1:34:33.439 clap some shit up and we got pulled over. So 1:34:33.560 --> 1:34:36.439 I got a joy ride, the hommy got joy ride, 1:34:36.479 --> 1:34:38.320 the homey took a pistol, and the honey got a 1:34:38.400 --> 1:34:41.439 GTA Boom. I'll spend a weekend in juvenile Hall. My 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:44.200 mam would come and get me Monday. And during that weekend. 1:34:44.360 --> 1:34:47.960 Big Meek actually was in Juvenile Hall with me, and 1:34:48.080 --> 1:34:50.960 Big Meek is like got the cut list, he got 1:34:51.000 --> 1:34:52.160 the staying, he got. 1:34:52.160 --> 1:34:53.599 The guy who helped finance. 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:56.080 Yeah what Cedric was doing right right? 1:34:56.160 --> 1:34:58.880 And he Sebo's little brother, and so like, I'm on 1:34:59.000 --> 1:35:01.400 twenty third Street and bad bad in the gardens, which 1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:04.479 is really a red street. It's like going toward the 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:07.639 blood side in twenty fourth Street right next to it, right, 1:35:08.040 --> 1:35:11.360 So I'm slanging coke at Tracy Butler House and Meek 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:13.040 is right next door. I used to see him all 1:35:13.080 --> 1:35:15.719 the time, but they was. I always thought this nigga 1:35:15.760 --> 1:35:17.920 is a grown ass man. So I found out he 1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:19.800 was a kid when I went to Juvenile Hall and 1:35:19.840 --> 1:35:21.920 the nigga was in there and I was rapping and shit. 1:35:22.280 --> 1:35:25.400 So people don't know who x Rate it is because 1:35:25.479 --> 1:35:29.360 my cover was drawn by brother Lynch and it was like, 1:35:29.640 --> 1:35:31.599 well I didn't that wasn't even my name. I had 1:35:31.680 --> 1:35:33.160 just said it in a line and a rap and 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:36.360 people just started calling me ax rated, like how Scarface 1:35:36.439 --> 1:35:37.000 got his name? 1:35:37.280 --> 1:35:37.759 And then. 1:35:39.360 --> 1:35:41.400 Lynch was like, nah, I gotta be r AI D 1:35:41.560 --> 1:35:44.320 E D And he drew my first logo and drew 1:35:44.400 --> 1:35:47.280 my first cover. So that shit is on consignment and 1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:50.719 Tower Records. I'm in Juvenile Hall and I'm spitting rhymes 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:52.120 and shit and it's like, Nigga. 1:35:51.880 --> 1:35:52.599 You asked Righted. 1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:55.160 I was like yeah, he was like, Nigga, this is 1:35:55.160 --> 1:35:57.400 what we gotta do. Blah blah blah. So me Meek 1:35:57.439 --> 1:36:00.400 had been looking for me. So I go home and 1:36:00.520 --> 1:36:02.400 I on a humbug reach out to Meek. We ended 1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:04.559 up rolling all over to town, me and my met 1:36:04.600 --> 1:36:08.479 of you brother, and we just he started paying for 1:36:08.560 --> 1:36:10.600 every motherfucker thing, and then you know, he kind of 1:36:10.640 --> 1:36:12.240 put us with Cedric, so we was in the thick 1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:14.680 of it. By the time. I literally had ten out 1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:17.400 of eleven songs for Psychoactive done the day we met 1:36:17.439 --> 1:36:20.040 with Cedric Wo. So I made one song. I made 1:36:20.120 --> 1:36:23.000 that Sickness, the last song on the album, was the 1:36:23.160 --> 1:36:25.800 only song left and Meek had. We did the first 1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:29.120 six by ourselves, and Lynch got involved, and then the 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:32.920 next five happened with Meek and Lynch and all the 1:36:32.960 --> 1:36:35.599 way involved, and that was that was how we ended 1:36:35.720 --> 1:36:37.720 up taking that shit to Cedric. But so when you 1:36:37.840 --> 1:36:40.880 get locked up, Lynch is still with you throughout the 1:36:40.920 --> 1:36:44.320 whole yeah, he wrapped the whole time like we just 1:36:44.439 --> 1:36:47.880 always was together when it when it musically. When we 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:51.600 came for twenty four Deep, Lynch called him. You know, 1:36:51.640 --> 1:36:54.080 I had me do the verses and shit, I called Lynch. Rather, 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:56.120 he had me do the little little part of the 1:36:56.240 --> 1:36:58.800 verse for on the answer machine. He said my name 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:02.040 everywhere he did five me really in it. And then 1:37:03.439 --> 1:37:08.240 I go from that to Season of the Sickness. So 1:37:08.479 --> 1:37:10.760 Season of the Sickness was actually the name of my 1:37:10.920 --> 1:37:14.040 Exorcist album. See, I had been working on what would 1:37:14.080 --> 1:37:16.400 be So I was going from Psychoactive to Season of 1:37:16.439 --> 1:37:19.559 the Sickness. That was my plan. And when I got 1:37:19.640 --> 1:37:22.479 locked up, I think like I was dead. Really, I 1:37:22.640 --> 1:37:25.519 was gone. It's like this niggas facing the death penalty. 1:37:25.800 --> 1:37:28.559 It is for sure. So I'm gone, Why all count 1:37:28.600 --> 1:37:29.280 your life's over? 1:37:29.520 --> 1:37:33.200 And Exorcist is like this mythological thing that nobody believes 1:37:33.320 --> 1:37:36.720 is real, you know what I mean. And so I'm like, 1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:38.960 or what Season of the Sickness? So I'm like, yeah, 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:40.720 you know, I'm gonna do Season of the Sickness. Blah 1:37:40.760 --> 1:37:43.080 blah blah. I'm talking to Cedric. I'm kind of telling Lynch. 1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:45.840 I'm blessing rhymes on the phone with Lynch and shit. 1:37:47.040 --> 1:37:49.720 And so before I get the game from mac dre 1:37:49.840 --> 1:37:54.400 and I start recording what became got renamed the Exorcists. 1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:57.839 They made they titled Lynch's album Season of the Sickness, 1:37:58.680 --> 1:38:01.200 and so that is how that happened. But that was 1:38:01.520 --> 1:38:03.920 that was one hundred percent the name of what people 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:05.600 now know as Exorcists. 1:38:05.760 --> 1:38:09.840 I'm wondering, like, like when you guys would was there 1:38:09.920 --> 1:38:12.439 like a conscious effort to make sure that the content 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:16.120 was extremely dark and edgy and like kind of crazy 1:38:16.160 --> 1:38:16.639 at times? 1:38:17.160 --> 1:38:21.160 Yeah, I think that me as in MC originally initially 1:38:24.400 --> 1:38:25.479 were picking all that up. 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:29.679 Can we be it's funnest, funny, funny, my bad. 1:38:30.280 --> 1:38:34.280 So you end up in a circumstance where uh, where 1:38:34.280 --> 1:38:36.479 were were we at the Season of the Sickness? The 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:39.599 co conscious effort to make crazy shit. So we end 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:44.720 up doing where I have n w A straight out 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:46.880 of Compton and n W A Niggas for Life. And 1:38:46.960 --> 1:38:49.599 they started getting a little extreme for sure, to kill 1:38:49.600 --> 1:38:52.720 a hooker, to kill a prostitute easy, he was a 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:54.160 little extreme for sure. 1:38:54.160 --> 1:38:56.080 And then the ghetto boy joes hell extreme. 1:38:56.400 --> 1:38:58.240 Yeah, like my playing tricks on me was like a 1:38:58.360 --> 1:39:00.560 real like dark record. Low kis like you know what 1:39:00.560 --> 1:39:02.880 I mean, grip it on that other level. It was 1:39:02.920 --> 1:39:03.639 a dark album. 1:39:03.840 --> 1:39:07.360 The entire album was tricky, and so you had Chucky, 1:39:07.560 --> 1:39:10.439 you had all of that going on, and so we 1:39:10.600 --> 1:39:13.160 end up in a circumstance where we were influenced by that, 1:39:13.800 --> 1:39:18.479 you know, and I know about Sean, I know about gangs, 1:39:18.560 --> 1:39:21.360 the nip, you know, it's people doing ship, and so 1:39:21.479 --> 1:39:23.519 we were we were we kind of mixing this game 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:26.759 banging ship with that crazy ship. And I was deliberate. 1:39:26.880 --> 1:39:28.760 So me and Lynch kind of got into this thing, 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:31.000 met him and six of who could say the wildest ship. 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:35.240 It just was really us amongst ourselves because you know, 1:39:35.360 --> 1:39:37.200 I with the nigga nuts and guts, I came up 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:39.160 with that, and Lynch just was like he came up 1:39:39.200 --> 1:39:41.720 with this baby killer ship and six. So we kind 1:39:41.760 --> 1:39:44.960 of just humans and ship. Lynch Lynch did that. 1:39:45.200 --> 1:39:48.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, what was the the you better pray 1:39:48.280 --> 1:39:50.200 when't you see we put that down up? We were 1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:52.200 talking about feed this kid someone else's Yeah. 1:39:52.840 --> 1:39:55.479 Yeah, so yeah we did. And I think that's where 1:39:55.560 --> 1:40:00.120 the fracture happened where Lynch Lynch kept going extreme, and 1:40:00.360 --> 1:40:04.439 I maybe because of my circumstances winning to some gangster shit. 1:40:04.840 --> 1:40:07.320 Yeah, because you also like couldn't be talking about certain shit. 1:40:07.640 --> 1:40:09.920 And then someone the jail, here's the shit, like, yo, 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:11.560 you want that crazy shit dog like you know what 1:40:11.600 --> 1:40:11.960 I'm saying. 1:40:12.000 --> 1:40:13.320 Like I wasn't impacted by that. 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:18.160 I was. I think we we had we diverted in intent. 1:40:18.920 --> 1:40:23.080 I think because I was writing fantastical songs all the 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:26.160 way up until we got to Duce Fat of Life 1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:29.080 got it. So I was still in that psychology. But 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:31.120 when it got to the point to start my trial, 1:40:31.240 --> 1:40:34.160 it was a sober thing. I got splashed through the 1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:37.000 cold bucket of water. So now you got that's where 1:40:37.120 --> 1:40:41.280 I show up as an individual. So now Due Fat 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:43.960 of Life is the first Honorey Brown song. That's the 1:40:44.080 --> 1:40:48.439 first song I wrote without a character when I wasn't 1:40:48.479 --> 1:40:51.080 in a character, even if it was informed by my 1:40:51.200 --> 1:40:54.920 life experiences, and sure it still was for sure, you 1:40:55.040 --> 1:40:57.719 know what I mean. So Due fot of Life happened. 1:40:57.760 --> 1:41:00.120 Then I write Deadly Game, then I write Missaying to 1:41:00.160 --> 1:41:02.280 p Then ILL write Land of the Loss. You know 1:41:02.320 --> 1:41:05.479 what I mean. I started going in a different I 1:41:05.680 --> 1:41:09.800 became more and Scarface did this too, and that helped me, Like. 1:41:09.920 --> 1:41:11.880 Yeah, like Scarface became Brad Jordan. 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:16.599 Yeah, he moved more. He merged Brad Jordan's Scarface, right, 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:18.040 and then also like what. 1:41:18.200 --> 1:41:20.320 He started to do on his own was very different 1:41:20.360 --> 1:41:22.120 than what you would hear with the Ghetto Game exactly. 1:41:22.600 --> 1:41:25.280 And I was inspired by that as an MC because 1:41:25.280 --> 1:41:26.880 I wanted to where am I going, you know, And 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:30.400 I'm looking at Ice Cube, I'm looking at Scarface. Here 1:41:30.520 --> 1:41:34.200 comes Tupac, I got Here's Eve forty, you got Spice one. 1:41:34.240 --> 1:41:37.000 I'm looking at everybody, and I'm like, what am I doing? 1:41:37.520 --> 1:41:37.720 You know? 1:41:38.080 --> 1:41:40.559 And I wanted I just I wanted to be dope 1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:41.000 as fuck. 1:41:41.400 --> 1:41:43.880 And the ingredients to that to me was I had 1:41:43.960 --> 1:41:46.400 to get into I gotta start telling some of this shit, 1:41:46.479 --> 1:41:47.920 this the truth, right, you know what. 1:41:47.960 --> 1:41:49.719 I mean I'm going through that's on my brain. 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:54.200 Yeah, And I moved myself and other people into that direction. 1:41:54.360 --> 1:41:58.519 You know, Bo was always because of why having issues 1:41:58.560 --> 1:42:00.799 with the police. He always had a of a militant 1:42:00.840 --> 1:42:03.880 thing going, you know, he was super ice Cube influenced, 1:42:04.240 --> 1:42:06.800 and so he had a little bit of that militant 1:42:06.880 --> 1:42:09.840 thing going. And then I ended up politics popped into 1:42:09.920 --> 1:42:13.719 my music because I was in a political pressure cooker. Also, 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:17.200 you're reading a lot a lot, yeah, and under attack 1:42:17.280 --> 1:42:20.720 by the media and watching Time Warner, watching all these 1:42:20.760 --> 1:42:24.040 cultural things and feeling stuff about it, and it started 1:42:24.040 --> 1:42:25.120 pouring into my music. 1:42:25.240 --> 1:42:27.160 And that was where me and Lynch diverted. 1:42:27.600 --> 1:42:31.760 That went in different directly musically, Yeah, yeah, philosophically. 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:36.160 For sure, you get out, you end up. Well, it's 1:42:36.240 --> 1:42:39.880 crazy that your first strange album was last year, right, yeah? 1:42:39.880 --> 1:42:44.240 It well, yeah, how big of a moment was it 1:42:44.400 --> 1:42:50.000 for you to because Tech nine is somebody who was 1:42:50.479 --> 1:42:53.840 probably just starting to get active when you went to prison, 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:56.080 because he was coming out to LA doing the wake 1:42:56.160 --> 1:42:58.759 Up Show. I want to say, what was the soundtrack 1:42:58.840 --> 1:43:05.479 he was on, Richie Gang related? Yeah, yeah, exactly, and 1:43:05.560 --> 1:43:07.680 then this strange music thing comes and it's kind of 1:43:07.840 --> 1:43:11.120 like a new version of what like black Market was 1:43:11.240 --> 1:43:14.360 like in the early nineties. Said, and then he ends 1:43:14.439 --> 1:43:16.439 up kind of becoming like the I mean not kind 1:43:16.479 --> 1:43:19.360 of quite literally, like changing the game for independent artists 1:43:19.360 --> 1:43:23.760 and the biggest independent rapper ever. How like aware and 1:43:23.880 --> 1:43:26.320 hip are you to what text doing? I'm sure you're 1:43:26.360 --> 1:43:31.120 hearing about it through Brian or through Brother Lynch, Like yeah, 1:43:31.200 --> 1:43:33.599 but to get out connect with him, Like, how aware 1:43:33.680 --> 1:43:36.920 were you of the Strange music I guess legacy that 1:43:37.040 --> 1:43:38.800 was being built while you were incarcerated. 1:43:38.920 --> 1:43:41.800 I watched the whole thing happen. I watched all of that. 1:43:41.960 --> 1:43:46.400 I watched the when he popped up with devastatingly with questions. 1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:48.680 He had already been through the quest thing. You know, 1:43:48.840 --> 1:43:50.160 different groups he was a part of. 1:43:50.320 --> 1:43:53.479 Earlier Exangelic and that's the whole era and like almost 1:43:53.520 --> 1:43:55.640 like a similar thing where like we've seen Tech kind 1:43:55.680 --> 1:43:57.519 of grow from being like the crazy guy with the 1:43:57.560 --> 1:44:00.600 face paint and then like you know, kind of like 1:44:00.840 --> 1:44:03.720 like he's kind of brought us into like who he 1:44:03.960 --> 1:44:06.040 is a lot more over the l of the years. 1:44:06.160 --> 1:44:08.479 So yeah, even while I was there, when I left 1:44:08.520 --> 1:44:10.719 black Market, I would have wanted to be as strange. 1:44:10.760 --> 1:44:13.720 I remember having an interaction with Dave Warner in like 1:44:13.880 --> 1:44:16.439 two thousand and nine or twenty ten. I don't think 1:44:16.479 --> 1:44:18.960 I forgave him for that until like twenty nineteen or 1:44:19.000 --> 1:44:24.840 twenty eighteen, where he essentially said that minus being able 1:44:24.920 --> 1:44:27.200 to tour and not being able to do videos, that 1:44:27.720 --> 1:44:30.040 my music coming out on Strange Music wouldn't have been 1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:33.880 He couldn't see the potential value in that. But that 1:44:34.000 --> 1:44:35.880 he saw in terms of this had nothing to do 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:38.720 with dopeness, but had something to do with the inability 1:44:38.800 --> 1:44:40.920 to finish it, which was true. You know from a 1:44:41.040 --> 1:44:43.840 fantastical place in there. You don't know what you don't know, 1:44:44.320 --> 1:44:46.479 and how much goes in it is and that was 1:44:46.840 --> 1:44:48.560 I was big boys. Shit. I think what I was 1:44:48.640 --> 1:44:51.680 doing was to keep my sanity. I was writing and 1:44:51.760 --> 1:44:54.639 making music to keep my sanity. Is almost cute looking 1:44:54.720 --> 1:44:57.280 back on it now, Shit, I wish I never recorded 1:44:57.880 --> 1:45:00.639 because I could could record him. Now I got twenty 1:45:00.760 --> 1:45:03.679 year old song on a Prayer and Hell my last album, 1:45:03.760 --> 1:45:06.080 that is one of the dopest songs on THEREZ some 1:45:06.120 --> 1:45:08.719 shit I wrote in oh two. It's like two songs 1:45:08.800 --> 1:45:10.679 on there from two thousand and two and two thousand 1:45:10.680 --> 1:45:13.280 and three, the life sentences and to whom it may concern, 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:15.320 And it's like I wish I had a held on 1:45:15.439 --> 1:45:17.680 of that. But at the time Dave Warner had did. 1:45:18.439 --> 1:45:21.200 His response to us was he didn't think that would 1:45:21.240 --> 1:45:24.080 be something that we could could we could start the game, 1:45:24.160 --> 1:45:25.040 but couldn't finish it. 1:45:25.439 --> 1:45:27.600 Yeah, interesting tour the touring aspect is. 1:45:27.600 --> 1:45:31.080 So important to yes, being in that machine. Now I 1:45:31.240 --> 1:45:34.080 understand exactly that that was the literal truth at the time. 1:45:34.280 --> 1:45:37.760 I think Dave was responsible responsible for strange music West. 1:45:38.240 --> 1:45:41.040 He was working right under Traves, the man making the 1:45:41.160 --> 1:45:44.000 decisions as strange music at the time regarding you know 1:45:44.120 --> 1:45:46.639 anything that was happening mostly with the West Coast artists 1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:49.920 and uh so Brian Shafting. Like two years later, it 1:45:50.000 --> 1:45:54.559 gives me the deal with RBC, and you know, I'll 1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:56.519 drop some music and stuff and I'm paying attention to 1:45:56.640 --> 1:45:57.280 take a drive. 1:45:57.360 --> 1:45:59.400 I see, I can see everything. It's my business. 1:45:59.720 --> 1:46:02.320 I have my little football team and I'm watching the 1:46:02.360 --> 1:46:03.720 bigger football teams, and like. 1:46:04.240 --> 1:46:07.080 Do you get access to YouTube and like double XL 1:46:07.200 --> 1:46:09.240 and all that shit in there, Like yeah, we get 1:46:09.320 --> 1:46:10.040 double XL. 1:46:10.120 --> 1:46:12.479 We had all the magazine so I could see Murder Dog. 1:46:12.680 --> 1:46:15.080 Like I'm twenty eleven, Me and Tech are on the 1:46:15.160 --> 1:46:19.800 cover of the Murder Dog together, so like I'm he 1:46:19.920 --> 1:46:22.479 has a Murder Dog magazine in his house with me 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:24.840 my face on it next to it, right, you know 1:46:24.840 --> 1:46:26.560 what I mean. So like it was like that I 1:46:26.720 --> 1:46:29.000 was aware. We were all aware of each other, and 1:46:29.120 --> 1:46:32.040 we know who too's dope, so they knew I was dope. 1:46:32.680 --> 1:46:36.839 And then I come home and I think the June eleventh, 1:46:37.040 --> 1:46:40.840 twenty twenty one, I fly to Kansas City, me and Lynch, 1:46:41.479 --> 1:46:45.479 and it really started with a dispute between Lynch and 1:46:46.120 --> 1:46:48.840 Tech that ended up kind of turning into a little 1:46:48.840 --> 1:46:51.639 bit of back and forth a little bit, and people got. 1:46:51.560 --> 1:46:52.560 Too excited about it. 1:46:52.640 --> 1:46:54.679 I didn't like it. I got a habit of jump 1:46:54.720 --> 1:46:56.320 in in front of bullets for Lynch, and I just 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:59.240 was like, I feel like everybody need to just mind 1:46:59.280 --> 1:47:01.680 their business. If you got pomp pomps, you cheering for 1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:05.080 potential Lynch and Tech nine beef, then I'm not fucking 1:47:05.120 --> 1:47:07.800 with you no more. So I'm watching. I'm looking at 1:47:07.800 --> 1:47:09.800 all of y'allf y'all doing. Let them to handle their 1:47:09.840 --> 1:47:12.000 business and stay out of it. Because everybody wanted to 1:47:12.280 --> 1:47:14.320 all of a sudden pile in on Lynch. And I'm like, 1:47:14.800 --> 1:47:18.120 I just always I take phase on behalf of Lynch 1:47:18.240 --> 1:47:20.639 my entire career. I've always done it. I've always been 1:47:20.680 --> 1:47:24.240 the one either saying, hey man, that's my brother. You 1:47:24.320 --> 1:47:26.760 know what I mean? They can't have cav Lynch ain't 1:47:26.800 --> 1:47:29.000 want it. Ain't Lynch ain't trying to bother nobody, and 1:47:29.040 --> 1:47:31.320 ain't nobody about to be bothering him. Were not going 1:47:31.400 --> 1:47:33.760 for that, And so that's it just kind of I 1:47:33.880 --> 1:47:36.599 did that, and Tex saw it, and he was like, hey, 1:47:37.360 --> 1:47:40.160 I appreciate that, bro broh and we go see each 1:47:40.160 --> 1:47:42.519 other man much love. And I was like, all right, 1:47:42.560 --> 1:47:44.360 you know, I just acknowledged him, like I feel you 1:47:44.439 --> 1:47:46.680 and thank you and blah blah blah. Because and so 1:47:46.840 --> 1:47:49.240 I got Lynch a bag to go to KC. I 1:47:49.320 --> 1:47:51.920 got a decent bag. We flew out, my brother Knox 1:47:52.000 --> 1:47:57.720 with me, Eric. We all fly out there and me 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:00.439 and Lynch, dude, we go to the show. My phone 1:48:00.479 --> 1:48:02.360 started blowing up, people like, man, Tech is trying to 1:48:02.360 --> 1:48:05.000 get a hold of you. Ironically, all these crips I 1:48:05.120 --> 1:48:08.599 call them technologe crips. How I know that about technologe crips, 1:48:08.640 --> 1:48:11.880 people will underestimate that Tech nowin got all these crips 1:48:11.920 --> 1:48:13.720 and bloods that fuck with him for real. 1:48:14.280 --> 1:48:16.360 And so I'm like, who the fuck is you know? 1:48:16.760 --> 1:48:18.840 Man? You going to the barbecuters. The crips were throwing 1:48:18.840 --> 1:48:21.360 the barbecue, you hear? And Tech one to note because 1:48:21.400 --> 1:48:24.880 he's gonna pull up, and I was like, I don't know, 1:48:25.080 --> 1:48:26.880 I'm tough them to call me or something or whatever. 1:48:26.960 --> 1:48:29.360 I don't even believe this shit. So I'm in my suite. 1:48:29.479 --> 1:48:32.040 I keep doing what I'm doing, and then Tris called me, 1:48:32.400 --> 1:48:34.479 and I love Trids, so I was like, what's up, bro? 1:48:34.600 --> 1:48:35.639 He's like, where are you going to eat? 1:48:35.680 --> 1:48:37.000 And I was like, I'm about to hit this place 1:48:37.040 --> 1:48:39.479 blah blah blah in the a little while, and Trick's like, cool, 1:48:39.479 --> 1:48:41.160 I'm gonna pull up at fifteen. Tech could be there 1:48:41.200 --> 1:48:43.479 in thirty. I was like, all right, so we all 1:48:43.600 --> 1:48:46.559 mob over there. We sitting down chilling, and Tris walked 1:48:46.600 --> 1:48:48.479 through the door and then boom, Tech walked up in 1:48:48.560 --> 1:48:51.080 that motherfucker and he gave me. 1:48:51.160 --> 1:48:52.720 He said, I told you I was going to see you. 1:48:53.320 --> 1:48:54.040 Gave me a hug. 1:48:54.479 --> 1:48:57.400 We sat down, had a meal, chopped it up, vibed out, 1:48:58.000 --> 1:49:01.920 spitching bars and just you know, had fun, had a 1:49:01.960 --> 1:49:05.120 good night. And he excused himself and he popped back 1:49:05.160 --> 1:49:07.120 and I can hear him walking up like yeah, man, 1:49:07.240 --> 1:49:09.760 really good people, really good energy man. And there I 1:49:09.920 --> 1:49:11.400 just think you should meet him. And he hands me 1:49:11.520 --> 1:49:14.280 the fall and it was Travis and uh, Trav's like, 1:49:14.360 --> 1:49:16.719 what you're doing Monday? Man? And I was like, shit, 1:49:16.800 --> 1:49:18.720 whatever you want me to be doing Monday, you know, 1:49:18.800 --> 1:49:20.479 because we were getting the fuck out of here. We 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:24.880 got the bag. We were like we're we're going to Vegas. Yeah, 1:49:25.240 --> 1:49:27.719 and uh yeah, he was like all right, So Monday 1:49:27.800 --> 1:49:30.040 we re changed our flights and shit and kicked it 1:49:30.120 --> 1:49:33.680 that weekend and uh, that weekend changed my life. Man. 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:36.960 I met the mother and both my children that weekend. Wow, 1:49:37.120 --> 1:49:40.439 I met I met Tech nine. Because Trav wants us 1:49:40.479 --> 1:49:43.760 to come Monday, I actually am running around Kansas City. 1:49:43.840 --> 1:49:46.320 I meet the mother and my children. I go to 1:49:46.439 --> 1:49:49.200 that meeting with Travis blows my mind. We spent four 1:49:49.280 --> 1:49:51.840 hours touring Strange music and still didn't see it all. 1:49:52.400 --> 1:49:54.840 So to put that in perspective, he took us on 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:58.120 a tour of the facility. It took four hours and 1:49:58.240 --> 1:50:00.559 we still didn't see all of the building. Right. 1:50:00.840 --> 1:50:01.840 Still it's that big. 1:50:02.120 --> 1:50:05.360 And so we're all like, okay, all right, you know, 1:50:05.520 --> 1:50:08.439 and jump on the plane go back to Vegas. Like man, 1:50:08.520 --> 1:50:11.719 it's just something to think about. And Tech came to Vegas, 1:50:12.000 --> 1:50:14.240 flew out to see me. He really was doing him 1:50:14.280 --> 1:50:17.160 in Vegas. But the homies started calling me this nigga. 1:50:17.240 --> 1:50:19.280 So people starting to see pictures and shit of me 1:50:19.360 --> 1:50:22.000 and Tech together, and so this nigga's walking through the mall, 1:50:22.120 --> 1:50:24.960 this girl and my phone start blowing up. People like, man, 1:50:25.439 --> 1:50:28.000 your boy just walking around them all out here, like 1:50:28.960 --> 1:50:31.320 you know, and we don't motherfuckers don't know what to do. 1:50:31.840 --> 1:50:33.519 What should we do? I was like, just make sure 1:50:33.560 --> 1:50:35.439 he's straight. So I called Tech was like, hey, man, 1:50:36.080 --> 1:50:38.000 but like this is the fifth time somebody told me 1:50:38.080 --> 1:50:39.960 you was walking around them. All niggas could call me 1:50:40.000 --> 1:50:42.080 one hundred times. They could call niggas with that shouldn't 1:50:42.120 --> 1:50:44.599 be called. So like, I'm at the homies just gonna 1:50:44.600 --> 1:50:46.560 follow you around them all. So if you see some 1:50:46.680 --> 1:50:48.680 niggas that they with me and it's good. And he 1:50:48.840 --> 1:50:51.240 was like okay, he's like I was wondering about that. Man, 1:50:51.280 --> 1:50:53.720 These crip niggas kept looking at me. Yeah, he was 1:50:53.800 --> 1:50:57.040 in Vegas, and so the hommies stayed with him, and 1:50:57.160 --> 1:50:59.719 you know, we just kind of hung out on their phone's, 1:50:59.720 --> 1:51:01.720 minding their business while he shopped with his girl and 1:51:01.760 --> 1:51:03.600 got him out of there, and then I ended up 1:51:03.640 --> 1:51:07.200 pulling up at the Aria. We hung out, had a 1:51:07.280 --> 1:51:10.680 great meal, and you know, I did some shit for 1:51:10.720 --> 1:51:12.320 the birthday, for his lady's birthday. 1:51:12.360 --> 1:51:13.880 I go back, he goes out. 1:51:14.400 --> 1:51:18.360 Trave flies in tech calls me, hey, man, my partner's 1:51:18.360 --> 1:51:20.519 coming to Vegas to do some business. But he's there 1:51:20.560 --> 1:51:22.800 to see you. He's like, I don't care what he says. 1:51:22.880 --> 1:51:25.479 Travis came to Vegas to see you, bro. He's like, 1:51:25.640 --> 1:51:27.600 tell him what you need, tell him how you need it. 1:51:27.680 --> 1:51:29.880 Let's get this done. I need you with me. I 1:51:30.040 --> 1:51:32.559 was like, all right, cool, So sure enough, Trav lands. 1:51:32.600 --> 1:51:36.040 He comes to my building, he sits, he sits down, 1:51:36.160 --> 1:51:39.040 talks with my business partners. I put him with the 1:51:39.120 --> 1:51:41.880 city manager, the deputy city manager to talk about a 1:51:41.920 --> 1:51:44.360 few things that we're doing in Vegas, and we had 1:51:44.400 --> 1:51:48.000 all kind of shit going on. So Trav left all 1:51:48.040 --> 1:51:51.080 of that feeling like I love what you're doing. He 1:51:51.160 --> 1:51:53.000 talked to me. He told me, I love what you're doing, 1:51:53.640 --> 1:51:55.960 and you're gonna pull this off, but it's gonna take 1:51:56.040 --> 1:51:58.080 you longer than it needs too. I want to fast 1:51:58.120 --> 1:52:00.519 forward you. I want to hit fast forward over for you. 1:52:00.680 --> 1:52:04.080 So let's it's all right. Cool boom text sing me 1:52:04.120 --> 1:52:08.800 a song. I gave other artist semi songs. I ended 1:52:08.880 --> 1:52:14.200 up getting the Asonine Tour and drav sat me down. 1:52:14.360 --> 1:52:17.400 Boom Boom signed my deal. You know, he went back 1:52:17.439 --> 1:52:20.160 and forth the lawyer. Boom got my contract the way 1:52:20.240 --> 1:52:23.280 it needed to be went, did the Asonin tour, got 1:52:23.360 --> 1:52:26.040 my chain at at Red Rocks in front of ten 1:52:26.120 --> 1:52:29.559 thousand people. Man crazy on a stage. Michael Jackson been 1:52:29.640 --> 1:52:30.800 on the Beatles. 1:52:30.439 --> 1:52:33.320 You know, one of the most legendary venues in the world. 1:52:33.560 --> 1:52:34.160 Insane. 1:52:34.400 --> 1:52:37.320 So like all of that happened, and yeah, it's just 1:52:37.439 --> 1:52:40.799 been it's just been a beautiful thing. So that weekend 1:52:40.960 --> 1:52:44.559 and like the twelfth of June twenty one, I ended 1:52:44.640 --> 1:52:49.040 up taking Lynch to a meeting until we went to 1:52:49.200 --> 1:52:51.439 jack Stackson. We had a big old table and take 1:52:52.000 --> 1:52:54.800 all these people showed up and so come to find out, 1:52:54.880 --> 1:52:57.160 you know, Tech's Sun is a huge X rated and 1:52:57.360 --> 1:53:01.000 brother Lynch, I'm fan. We're his favorite rappers. Crazy, it's nuts. 1:53:01.000 --> 1:53:04.000 So Tech's son came other members of his family. We 1:53:04.120 --> 1:53:07.080 all broke bread, bro Knox and Eric all of them 1:53:07.120 --> 1:53:10.160 with me and let you Tech out to discuss They shit, 1:53:10.280 --> 1:53:12.200 you know what I mean. Niggas gave each other a 1:53:12.280 --> 1:53:14.519 Hug said they loved each other and you know, and 1:53:14.600 --> 1:53:17.080 that was how we resolved that. And Tech just really 1:53:17.200 --> 1:53:19.200 respected that shit. He was like, man, that was some 1:53:19.320 --> 1:53:22.320 dope ass shit. He's like, I really appreciate that. And 1:53:23.000 --> 1:53:24.760 we've just been thugging it out on some g shit 1:53:24.800 --> 1:53:28.120 ever since. I love him. I love technok ain't gonna lie. 1:53:28.240 --> 1:53:31.639 That's my dogg guy. Man, that's my dude. I fuck 1:53:31.720 --> 1:53:33.559 with him and I fuck with Travis. The long way 1:53:33.680 --> 1:53:36.040 Drive to me is a genius. I've been in the 1:53:36.160 --> 1:53:38.720 room with a lot of people, you know, who do 1:53:38.960 --> 1:53:42.040 think well, and this motherfucker is a genius. 1:53:42.560 --> 1:53:43.679 Dave Warner is a genius. 1:53:43.720 --> 1:53:47.720 You know, Brian Shafting, this group of people who all 1:53:48.000 --> 1:53:51.439 kind of circulate each other, Mark Markoff and you know, 1:53:51.560 --> 1:53:54.880 it's a bunch of them and there's some brilliance involved 1:53:54.920 --> 1:53:55.400 in that shit. 1:53:55.439 --> 1:53:56.519 And I just marvel at it. 1:53:56.600 --> 1:53:59.600 And Travis stood on ten toes about me, and I 1:53:59.720 --> 1:54:02.960 really appreciate that about him, and my relationship with technis 1:54:03.040 --> 1:54:04.519 phenomenal and I love it. 1:54:04.600 --> 1:54:07.920 Man, can you I want to talk about Sack for 1:54:08.000 --> 1:54:11.439 a sec because I have a great relationship with Mazzi, 1:54:12.320 --> 1:54:16.439 who I know has had friction with certain artists over 1:54:16.520 --> 1:54:18.920 the years. I think he might have friction with Brother 1:54:19.000 --> 1:54:20.200 Lynch at a certain point in time. I know he 1:54:20.240 --> 1:54:21.240 had some friction with Cebo. 1:54:21.560 --> 1:54:24.680 Yeah, I put that. I didn't allow that to the 1:54:24.800 --> 1:54:27.200 Lynch thing. I was like, nah, man, you know I 1:54:27.280 --> 1:54:27.880 talked to Lynch. 1:54:28.000 --> 1:54:29.479 Well, I know Manzi to be like a great guy, 1:54:29.520 --> 1:54:31.519 and he's got a great team like Dave dave O, 1:54:31.760 --> 1:54:36.040 and you know, he's one of the new faces of 1:54:36.080 --> 1:54:39.200 the West Coast. And he's obviously a very talented guy. 1:54:39.320 --> 1:54:41.880 Have you guys had any opportunity to conversate. 1:54:41.600 --> 1:54:44.200 Or we've had interactions I sent him. 1:54:44.280 --> 1:54:47.760 I remember after that thing happened where it was like, 1:54:47.960 --> 1:54:52.080 I'm I think the comment was, I'm funking with Cibo, 1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:54.440 I'm funking with a brother Lynch, I'm funking with an 1:54:54.640 --> 1:54:57.560 x rit it and you know, it pitsed some people off, 1:54:57.600 --> 1:54:59.840 It ruffled some feathers that he worded it that way, 1:55:00.440 --> 1:55:02.400 and uh that was kind of me and ce Bo's 1:55:02.440 --> 1:55:05.120 disagreement that we ended up having was really over the 1:55:05.240 --> 1:55:08.360 fact that I stood on what I believed in regard 1:55:08.440 --> 1:55:09.800 to what my intention to say. 1:55:09.840 --> 1:55:12.000 Well, yeah, and that also like that's how he talks like, 1:55:12.160 --> 1:55:13.560 I don't I don't think. I don't think that was 1:55:13.640 --> 1:55:14.800 meant in a disrespectful way. 1:55:14.920 --> 1:55:17.280 It was not. It was not meant a disrespectful way 1:55:17.960 --> 1:55:20.880 in my humble opinion. And I remember saying like, I'm 1:55:20.880 --> 1:55:23.040 on Facebook. I jumped on Facebook. I'm in the pen. 1:55:23.120 --> 1:55:25.720 But I go on Facebook and say, hey, man, uh, 1:55:26.360 --> 1:55:28.360 is it possible for me to be funking with a 1:55:28.480 --> 1:55:30.640 kid who might have been five when I left the streets, 1:55:30.800 --> 1:55:33.040 if he was alive at all. We've never been on 1:55:33.120 --> 1:55:36.080 the yard, So can it be how is it possible 1:55:36.160 --> 1:55:40.200 I'm funking? Or was it him? If he prefaced this 1:55:40.280 --> 1:55:43.200 statement with just like I gotta respect what they did 1:55:43.640 --> 1:55:46.320 and their genom for their era, they gotta respect what 1:55:46.440 --> 1:55:48.800 I did. In mind, so I felt like he was 1:55:48.920 --> 1:55:54.160 identifying as standard because the question was essentially why was 1:55:54.200 --> 1:55:57.880 he so dupe? And his answer was because we're dope. 1:55:58.560 --> 1:56:00.560 That was what he was fucking saying. And that's how 1:56:00.640 --> 1:56:03.040 I took it. And so when I said that I 1:56:03.160 --> 1:56:05.240 know Mazi, even with all his people and who could 1:56:05.240 --> 1:56:08.160 feel something about that, he were posted reposted what I 1:56:08.280 --> 1:56:11.680 said and threw one hundreds across it. I said, Mazzi 1:56:11.800 --> 1:56:15.120 know every word in Macafam Malama Mazzi's first album Covers 1:56:16.120 --> 1:56:19.200 is honored a tribute to my first album cover. First 1:56:19.280 --> 1:56:21.120 time they saw him with the fingers to the head. 1:56:21.160 --> 1:56:22.720 What is that guy? Yet? 1:56:23.240 --> 1:56:27.000 We have it man, We've just the DM exchange. 1:56:27.080 --> 1:56:27.240 You know. 1:56:27.320 --> 1:56:28.560 I told him what I thought about. 1:56:28.720 --> 1:56:32.320 I told him about how I was the most disrespectful 1:56:32.400 --> 1:56:34.760 rapper in the history of Sacramento. So you have a 1:56:34.840 --> 1:56:39.480 blood dominated city who had itself being represented by crip 1:56:39.600 --> 1:56:44.200 rappers for nationally yeah, international identity. 1:56:44.280 --> 1:56:47.160 Yeah it was hey cebo X rated brother Lynch. 1:56:47.040 --> 1:56:51.920 Yeah yeah, Tiloni were the predominant. And I was super 1:56:52.000 --> 1:56:55.160 disrespectful in my music regard to other sets and the 1:56:55.400 --> 1:56:59.720 Psychoactive Exorcists. It was very much gangee. And then I 1:56:59.800 --> 1:57:02.200 got to unforgiven. And I remember I had a conversation 1:57:02.280 --> 1:57:04.120 with a brother for Oak Park who told me, Man, 1:57:04.240 --> 1:57:06.320 we love your music, ex if you would let us, 1:57:06.760 --> 1:57:09.040 if you would let us, Man, we'll slap your shit 1:57:09.160 --> 1:57:12.240 if you would let us. And so I was like, damn, So, 1:57:12.560 --> 1:57:14.480 who is y'all new booty nass niggas, you know what 1:57:14.520 --> 1:57:16.680 I mean. I'm like, we're twenty fourth Street criit. But 1:57:16.760 --> 1:57:19.440 even Blood Niggas God Does and my shitting stud niggas 1:57:19.480 --> 1:57:21.920 in the South Side and slam X righty local. When 1:57:21.920 --> 1:57:25.200 they all riding, I started kind of allowing people to 1:57:25.360 --> 1:57:27.600 be able to bump my music if they wanted to. 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:30.480 It was a deliberate thing, and so I kind of 1:57:31.080 --> 1:57:34.520 I dropped that on MASI y'all just said, I feel 1:57:34.600 --> 1:57:38.280 like I didn't have anybody to tell me this, but 1:57:38.440 --> 1:57:41.040 a lot more people could be receptive to your music 1:57:41.160 --> 1:57:45.080 if you let them. And if you can not do 1:57:45.240 --> 1:57:48.360 these things or if I could have not done those things, 1:57:48.800 --> 1:57:51.040 it would have done this for my career. And so 1:57:51.200 --> 1:57:51.840 that was really the. 1:57:51.920 --> 1:57:53.520 Last I think he's did a good job of doing 1:57:53.560 --> 1:57:56.720 that too. Real. Yeah, I think so because I think, like, 1:57:57.160 --> 1:58:00.840 you know, that's one thing about him, like just knowing 1:58:00.920 --> 1:58:03.240 him as well as I do, just like his personal evolutions. 1:58:03.320 --> 1:58:05.600 I met him in twenty seventeen, right, and it was 1:58:05.720 --> 1:58:07.240 like he used to come to the radio station on 1:58:07.360 --> 1:58:09.960 like fifty dudes. Yeah, and now when he comes he's 1:58:10.000 --> 1:58:12.880 got a tight crew, he's about his business, he stays 1:58:12.920 --> 1:58:14.800 out the way, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, man, 1:58:15.400 --> 1:58:17.040 So I just think it would be dope to have 1:58:17.160 --> 1:58:20.000 you guys have some sort of shit, do a song together. 1:58:19.800 --> 1:58:21.960 Man, it's inevitable. 1:58:22.120 --> 1:58:25.560 What I would. I don't I think music. I think 1:58:25.720 --> 1:58:29.760 music is a secondary thing. I would, and I'm not 1:58:29.840 --> 1:58:32.920 opposed to that being an outcome of the other thing. 1:58:33.440 --> 1:58:35.000 But if it need to just be. 1:58:35.240 --> 1:58:39.320 An organic dialogue or organic because right now, my whole 1:58:39.360 --> 1:58:43.800 neighborhood is united, all of it. We got some stuff 1:58:43.840 --> 1:58:47.360 we gotta deal with, but me cbo Lynch, Looney Nutty 1:58:47.560 --> 1:58:50.640 or all together, and that block movement project is gonna happen. 1:58:51.080 --> 1:58:54.839 That's happening. And so from the perspective of what's best. 1:58:54.680 --> 1:58:58.320 For Sacramento, like, come on, bro, we can't celebrate the 1:58:58.440 --> 1:59:02.120 nigga brought a Grammy home. He brought a Grammy to Sacramento. 1:59:02.200 --> 1:59:05.360 You can't fake goosebumps, bro. But like a nigga from 1:59:05.400 --> 1:59:07.680 where we farm when won a Super Bowl while we going, 1:59:07.960 --> 1:59:10.400 I gotta act like I didn't just I don't think 1:59:10.480 --> 1:59:13.120 that's dope, Like, get the fuck out of here. The 1:59:13.160 --> 1:59:16.200 Black Panthers soundtrack was to me as an MC from 1:59:16.280 --> 1:59:19.960 my hometown and a OG from my hometown. That nigga 1:59:20.040 --> 1:59:22.520 being on a Black Panther soundtrack, I thought that was 1:59:22.680 --> 1:59:26.320 dope for sure, him having Kendrick acknowledge him while he 1:59:26.520 --> 1:59:28.880 just one fucking rap album of the Year on the 1:59:28.960 --> 1:59:32.400 stage at the Grammys. I was watching that with a 1:59:32.480 --> 1:59:36.160 burrito and I was like, oh shit, Like I thought 1:59:36.240 --> 1:59:38.720 that was dope. This is what the fuck? What the fuck? 1:59:38.760 --> 1:59:41.320 Are we doing a bunch of rappers rapping for each 1:59:41.320 --> 1:59:44.680 other in the hood or are we trying to penetrate 1:59:44.760 --> 1:59:47.480 the pantheon? Are we trying to get to Mount Rushmore? 1:59:47.880 --> 1:59:49.680 Are we trying to get to Mount Olympics. I just 1:59:49.760 --> 1:59:53.280 had Rock Kim post my shit, right, fuck we doing? 1:59:53.960 --> 1:59:56.520 And so I feel like if we can't get to 1:59:56.640 --> 1:59:58.640 the point of just even being able to say that 1:59:58.880 --> 2:00:04.360 human being from Sacramento, California just did some shit for 2:00:04.640 --> 2:00:07.760 us that happened really for us, that was we did that. 2:00:07.920 --> 2:00:10.920 Sacramento just smacked some hip hop shit. We just did 2:00:11.000 --> 2:00:13.840 some milestone type shit. I think you got it. That 2:00:13.920 --> 2:00:17.200 gotta be celebrated, And I think politics prevent a lot 2:00:17.280 --> 2:00:19.200 of things from being celebrated. 2:00:18.720 --> 2:00:20.320 That should be all over California. 2:00:20.520 --> 2:00:25.120 Indeed, indeed, but especially in Sacramento. And Cedric Singleton had 2:00:25.160 --> 2:00:27.640 a relationship and I don't not for me to say 2:00:27.680 --> 2:00:31.240 what their relationship continues to be. But from what Cedric 2:00:31.320 --> 2:00:35.680 has communicated to me, he loves Mazi. So for Cedric, 2:00:36.000 --> 2:00:38.880 the potential of like Cedric was the first one like 2:00:39.000 --> 2:00:42.480 hey man, you know I don't want you. I don't 2:00:42.480 --> 2:00:45.000 want you doing none of that. And he told me, 2:00:45.120 --> 2:00:47.280 you know that's my baby boy man, just like i've 2:00:47.640 --> 2:00:52.000 he's Cedric is runs oak Park. He not runs oak Park, 2:00:52.080 --> 2:00:54.920 but he came from oak Park, you know what I mean? 2:00:55.000 --> 2:00:58.400 He runs red and is if he defaults and you say, 2:00:58.480 --> 2:01:00.880 it's smoke and we'll do you look around, see who's 2:01:00.880 --> 2:01:04.320 gonna pop up for Cedric. It's gonna be it's gonna 2:01:04.360 --> 2:01:06.320 be a lot of old Park and it's gonna be 2:01:06.360 --> 2:01:08.200 a lot of I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna be there. 2:01:08.480 --> 2:01:12.720 I'm a care and so we share a godfather. It's 2:01:12.840 --> 2:01:14.880 like Cedric saw j Prince in a way, you know 2:01:14.880 --> 2:01:18.400 what I mean, he created him and Meek Meek is 2:01:18.480 --> 2:01:22.360 our here yo, Cedric saw Shug not, you know. So 2:01:22.520 --> 2:01:24.640 it's like we're not gonna play about that. The og 2:01:25.120 --> 2:01:27.240 heart would be broken if I was on some function 2:01:27.640 --> 2:01:28.680 in relation to Mazi. 2:01:28.800 --> 2:01:31.480 So I think it got played the way it got played. 2:01:31.760 --> 2:01:35.640 I've seen recent interviews where bol talked to Court about, 2:01:35.720 --> 2:01:37.640 you know how he felt like he just felt like 2:01:37.760 --> 2:01:39.800 it was a little bit too much and not enough 2:01:39.880 --> 2:01:43.160 respect involved in it. Everybody gotta speak for themselves. But 2:01:43.280 --> 2:01:48.000 what I think is the healthiest thing for Sacramento, California, 2:01:48.160 --> 2:01:50.560 and the healthiest thing for the kids watching right now, 2:01:50.760 --> 2:01:54.919 hoping that they got an opportunity to give get involved 2:01:54.960 --> 2:01:57.400 and be the next one to pop this ship off, 2:01:57.960 --> 2:02:01.040 that they know that they're gonna get this of the ogs. 2:02:01.440 --> 2:02:04.560 They gotta know that La Crips and Bloods get on 2:02:04.680 --> 2:02:08.440 stage October of twenty eleven and pass a torch to 2:02:08.560 --> 2:02:11.640 Kendrick Lamar who cries on stage and it's Snoop Dogg. 2:02:12.120 --> 2:02:16.720 Corrupt the game, DJ Quick, Doctor Dre. They did that 2:02:17.520 --> 2:02:18.520 in twenty eleven. 2:02:19.200 --> 2:02:21.760 Fast forward to Pop Out happens. Everybody's on stage. 2:02:22.480 --> 2:02:24.920 Man, we ain't understanding what the fuck we're doing? Is 2:02:25.040 --> 2:02:27.560 that Willie Lynch shit. It's a lot of reasons why, bro, 2:02:28.120 --> 2:02:30.920 But I'm like, what are we doing? Man? If I 2:02:31.040 --> 2:02:34.160 feel very strongly about that, what the fuck we doing? Bro? 2:02:34.760 --> 2:02:37.640 We're not gonna We're not gonna we gonna hate when 2:02:37.720 --> 2:02:40.880 it and it's real reasons. It's real reasons, so like 2:02:41.040 --> 2:02:43.520 to the indefense of even the homies, it's real reasons 2:02:43.560 --> 2:02:46.280 for bitterness on both sides, you know. But it's like, 2:02:46.400 --> 2:02:50.840 if we're gonna wait for who who, if we're gonna 2:02:50.880 --> 2:02:52.960 tip for tatted, this can't stop. 2:02:53.120 --> 2:02:53.760 It'll never stop. 2:02:53.880 --> 2:02:57.040 It can't stop because who's scoring as it's forever And 2:02:57.200 --> 2:02:59.640 some shit is like you know, some shit people just 2:02:59.720 --> 2:03:01.880 can't get over ain't gonna never get over. But in 2:03:02.040 --> 2:03:05.040 terms of hip hop what it means to the culture, 2:03:05.200 --> 2:03:07.280 I think a se Bow and a Masi having a 2:03:07.400 --> 2:03:10.520 conversation could be healthy for the culture. I think, you 2:03:10.640 --> 2:03:13.320 know myself, brother Lynchong, I think that this is the 2:03:13.400 --> 2:03:15.720 type of shit that I would like to organically occur, 2:03:16.320 --> 2:03:18.400 you know, with input from other people. But I think 2:03:18.840 --> 2:03:21.400 it would be devastating to the psychology of people who 2:03:21.480 --> 2:03:23.880 are waiting for their turn. I think it would be 2:03:23.920 --> 2:03:26.960 beautiful to inform them that they could choose better pathways 2:03:27.040 --> 2:03:30.400 than we did and and be supported. Maybe you we 2:03:30.520 --> 2:03:32.520 maybe we stand on the stage and we're giving the 2:03:32.640 --> 2:03:35.120 torch to the next motherfucker, you know what I mean. 2:03:35.280 --> 2:03:38.280 For sure, Yeah, I think it's necessary. You're a new album. 2:03:38.600 --> 2:03:40.160 By the time this comes out, it'll be out. 2:03:40.320 --> 2:03:42.080 Yep. You know. 2:03:42.200 --> 2:03:44.880 The artwork's dope, Sit in Heaven, Thank You, your second 2:03:45.080 --> 2:03:48.520 album on strange. Yeah, what's the oldest song on this 2:03:48.600 --> 2:03:50.040 album that you write. 2:03:52.080 --> 2:03:56.280 You're in jail? Wow, that's a good question. Twenty four tracks? 2:03:56.360 --> 2:03:57.320 What do I got on there? 2:03:57.880 --> 2:03:58.840 I don't think so. 2:03:59.200 --> 2:04:01.240 So it's all new ship, new perspective, if you have 2:04:01.280 --> 2:04:01.680 a whole. 2:04:01.560 --> 2:04:06.640 New Can't Hold Us Down? I wrote can't hold Us 2:04:06.720 --> 2:04:09.800 Down in the pen about nine. I wrote that in 2:04:09.840 --> 2:04:12.440 two thousand and nine in the pen, so that my 2:04:12.840 --> 2:04:19.480 my three track three, So track three was nine in 2:04:19.640 --> 2:04:21.400 two thousand and nine in the penitentiary. 2:04:22.440 --> 2:04:24.320 Can you kind of give me? I mean you say 2:04:24.360 --> 2:04:28.160 twenty three tracks, twenty four twenty four tracks, that's damn 2:04:28.160 --> 2:04:30.440 near double album twenty two Street, which is. 2:04:30.480 --> 2:04:33.680 Twenty twenty four exits the twenty fourth letter I did 2:04:33.760 --> 2:04:36.000 twenty four years before All Earth Coming Home? 2:04:36.120 --> 2:04:36.680 Was this on purpose? 2:04:36.840 --> 2:04:39.800 Vers song is twenty four hundreds? Yeah, for sure, that's fire. 2:04:40.040 --> 2:04:45.400 That What about this album? Because I feel like, you know, 2:04:45.600 --> 2:04:48.520 putting out this is your second album in a year 2:04:48.560 --> 2:04:49.680 almost right year and a half. 2:04:50.160 --> 2:04:52.480 No, it just feels that way because it's been NonStop, 2:04:52.640 --> 2:04:56.240 Like I did, me and Tech, I cracking on as 2:04:56.320 --> 2:04:59.320 and nine and then you know, I had some splashes 2:04:59.360 --> 2:04:59.800 that happened. 2:05:00.040 --> 2:05:01.760 The fucking music video you guys did that was like 2:05:01.760 --> 2:05:02.920 in the middle of the fucking sand. 2:05:03.360 --> 2:05:06.800 That's the one where I found was off parole, still 2:05:06.880 --> 2:05:08.520 right here. That shit was crazy. 2:05:08.640 --> 2:05:10.240 Yeah, it was a beautiful experience. 2:05:10.360 --> 2:05:12.480 Man. That was the day I got off parole. We 2:05:12.600 --> 2:05:16.480 were filming with March first to twenty twenty two, me 2:05:16.600 --> 2:05:19.680 and Tech together making that video crazy. Yeah, so you 2:05:19.800 --> 2:05:22.360 got that big moment that wasn't from an X rated album. 2:05:22.760 --> 2:05:25.920 And now my album starts coming right behind Tech because 2:05:25.920 --> 2:05:29.320 I'm in the cycle where it's almost I'm almost always 2:05:29.440 --> 2:05:32.680 sandwiched between what Tech is doing right, and that's you know, 2:05:32.720 --> 2:05:34.440 I don't know if that's some shit him and Travis 2:05:34.480 --> 2:05:36.280 plotted on, which I would think that none of this 2:05:36.360 --> 2:05:39.320 shit is an accident, right, So, but but here comes 2:05:39.440 --> 2:05:41.920 Tech and they kind of always have me right behind that. 2:05:42.280 --> 2:05:45.240 So it's like race cars and I'm in his drag, 2:05:45.400 --> 2:05:48.120 you know what I mean, And no, Diddy, I mean, 2:05:48.400 --> 2:05:53.800 I mean it's still wind and so yeah, you got 2:05:54.080 --> 2:05:56.920 still right here. You get to my album Stratosphere with 2:05:57.000 --> 2:05:59.680 me in Tech and then here's Tech coming back on 2:05:59.760 --> 2:06:02.840 Blue and I got knocked with him and Joiner Lucas 2:06:02.920 --> 2:06:06.600 and Conway, and then my album drops, you know what 2:06:06.680 --> 2:06:10.240 I mean. And then here comes Tech on Nuthouse and 2:06:10.320 --> 2:06:13.920 I'm on there. And then here comes my first single, 2:06:14.080 --> 2:06:17.600 Here comes roll Call for Collabos. I'm on their two 2:06:17.680 --> 2:06:22.520 point five million views, two million streams. Here comes my 2:06:22.720 --> 2:06:27.640 second single, King Crook rass Cast. Here comes another Tech single, 2:06:27.720 --> 2:06:31.320 I'm on their text Collabo's album drop, I got three 2:06:31.400 --> 2:06:34.600 songs on there, rock Him drops there, and then here 2:06:34.680 --> 2:06:37.760 comes my album. So yeah, it's like I never even 2:06:37.840 --> 2:06:41.840 though it's just one album in that calendar year, because 2:06:41.840 --> 2:06:44.040 we're over a year since my last album came out 2:06:44.360 --> 2:06:48.800 June second of twenty three, and uh, but I just 2:06:49.120 --> 2:06:51.360 was never not there. I've been there the whole time. 2:06:51.680 --> 2:06:55.800 Would you it feels like your life story should be 2:06:56.200 --> 2:06:59.160 a Netflix show or a movie or something. Yeah, I 2:06:59.240 --> 2:07:01.480 think you need it right book. I'm sure you've probably 2:07:01.840 --> 2:07:03.880 probably started. I feel like, if you're in jail long enough, 2:07:03.880 --> 2:07:04.840 you've started to write a book. 2:07:05.160 --> 2:07:07.520 Yeah, you got that. I like that. Take your eye 2:07:07.720 --> 2:07:09.920 you like. I feel like I got to know you real. 2:07:09.880 --> 2:07:11.440 Quick, Like I feel like you got to at least 2:07:11.440 --> 2:07:12.240 half a book finish. 2:07:12.400 --> 2:07:15.200 I actually have three, so I have. I broke my 2:07:15.600 --> 2:07:19.600 autobiography into three parts, and so there's the life all 2:07:19.640 --> 2:07:22.840 the way up until I think it was where I 2:07:22.920 --> 2:07:27.160 stopped two thousand and two, and then there's twenty two 2:07:27.200 --> 2:07:30.640 to twenty twelve, and then there was twenty twelve, and 2:07:30.800 --> 2:07:33.240 I didn't know where to fuck the end. And I 2:07:33.400 --> 2:07:36.160 found out about sending bill to sixty and I was like, 2:07:37.760 --> 2:07:39.760 it's time for me to I put that stuff away 2:07:40.320 --> 2:07:43.560 and I started working on music still, but mostly was 2:07:43.640 --> 2:07:46.520 focused on getting out. So I spent six years, basically 2:07:47.000 --> 2:07:50.480 four years the equivalent of a college education, learning about 2:07:50.560 --> 2:07:52.560 what to do with board and how to do it board, 2:07:53.200 --> 2:07:57.000 and then two years in addition to that to get out. 2:07:57.160 --> 2:07:58.840 And that's how you get that twenty four years and 2:07:58.920 --> 2:08:01.960 me finding out knew I was going home. So I 2:08:02.040 --> 2:08:05.680 went from hopelessness to hope to maybe to thinking to 2:08:05.880 --> 2:08:07.600 believing I was getting out to. 2:08:07.920 --> 2:08:10.960 Twenty twenty, where I knew it was happening. I was 2:08:11.000 --> 2:08:11.720 gotten neew, I was. 2:08:11.720 --> 2:08:12.080 Going to Yo. 2:08:13.120 --> 2:08:16.560 We've like politically, I'm certainly in the middle, I'm probably 2:08:17.080 --> 2:08:19.280 I don't know who I'm voting for, be honest, But 2:08:20.640 --> 2:08:22.680 there is this narrative that Kamala Harris locked up a 2:08:22.680 --> 2:08:25.360 lot of people in California. Yeah, but she also co 2:08:25.520 --> 2:08:27.520 sponsored the bill that freed you. 2:08:28.240 --> 2:08:30.920 Her name is Incentive Bill two sixty and then as 2:08:30.960 --> 2:08:34.560 attorney general, she could have fought that and so she 2:08:35.120 --> 2:08:37.560 you know, it's the Democratic Party pushing if people don't 2:08:37.600 --> 2:08:39.800 think that she had a hand in that, and that 2:08:39.960 --> 2:08:42.320 the Attorney general just was like, oh Okay, they're gonna 2:08:42.400 --> 2:08:45.240 let all the juveniles with life out and didn't defend it, 2:08:45.400 --> 2:08:47.960 didn't fight that at all, just like let it come in. 2:08:48.000 --> 2:08:50.280 Well, I'm just curious, like from your perspective, somebody who's 2:08:50.320 --> 2:08:52.320 like well versed in the law and like obviously did 2:08:52.360 --> 2:08:55.320 a ton of research on what was going on politically 2:08:55.520 --> 2:08:58.840 in California that would affect people going getting freed or 2:08:58.920 --> 2:09:03.560 going in Do you feel like she is the hell 2:09:03.680 --> 2:09:05.600 she gets for the amount of people she quote unquote 2:09:05.640 --> 2:09:08.120 locked up? Is a fair affair criticism or do you 2:09:08.200 --> 2:09:09.280 feel like it's overstated. 2:09:09.560 --> 2:09:13.120 I think it's overstated. It's being exaggerated. Was she responsible 2:09:13.160 --> 2:09:15.680 for locking people up? She was the district attorney. 2:09:15.320 --> 2:09:17.480 Well, everybody who's the district attorney's going to be responsible. 2:09:17.480 --> 2:09:20.800 It didn't matter who right, right, And it's the district attorney, 2:09:20.880 --> 2:09:25.160 elected politician, district attorney in the courtroom and all these 2:09:25.240 --> 2:09:27.800 cases like come on, man, So with those of us 2:09:27.840 --> 2:09:31.160 who've been to court, know that the district attorney's not 2:09:31.320 --> 2:09:31.600 in here. 2:09:31.640 --> 2:09:33.120 It's it ADA or a DDA. 2:09:33.520 --> 2:09:36.440 It's a deputy district attorney or assistant district attorney in 2:09:36.480 --> 2:09:40.400 the room prosecuting the case. The figurehead district attorney that's 2:09:40.480 --> 2:09:43.640 running this office doesn't necessarily have nothing to do with 2:09:43.680 --> 2:09:45.720 all of that. But like, far be it for me 2:09:45.800 --> 2:09:49.160 to defend a district attorney. They locking people to fuck up, 2:09:49.160 --> 2:09:50.760 because that's what the fuck they do, you know what 2:09:50.840 --> 2:09:51.120 I mean. 2:09:51.240 --> 2:09:53.120 So, I mean it's an economy too that comes with 2:09:53.200 --> 2:09:56.120 all of this. There is free labor, I mean, cheap labor, 2:09:56.200 --> 2:09:58.960 whatever you want to call. It's once you start peeling 2:09:59.000 --> 2:10:00.960 the slavery, it's like, yeah, it's what it. 2:10:01.000 --> 2:10:01.240 Is, right. 2:10:01.400 --> 2:10:04.440 I mean, there's privatized prisons all over the country. There's 2:10:04.440 --> 2:10:07.520 a lobby for that. Yeah, it's good business to put 2:10:07.600 --> 2:10:08.720 more people in prison. 2:10:09.560 --> 2:10:12.400 And then you know, you end up in a circumstance 2:10:12.440 --> 2:10:15.720 where I say, if I can look at myself as say, 2:10:15.800 --> 2:10:18.000 I went from a seventeen year old game banger who 2:10:18.080 --> 2:10:21.480 thought it was perfectly appropriate to enter people's dwellings attempting 2:10:21.520 --> 2:10:25.040 to kill people, and then by the time I'm twenty five, 2:10:25.120 --> 2:10:27.640 I changed my life. And then at the age of 2:10:27.720 --> 2:10:30.760 thirty year old, thirty years old, I'm doing something completely different. 2:10:31.240 --> 2:10:36.360 By forty I got an AA degree and I'm majoring 2:10:36.440 --> 2:10:40.400 in psychology. I'm still locked up on my houmet and 2:10:41.040 --> 2:10:43.960 I'm ten million miles away from who that kid was, right, 2:10:44.080 --> 2:10:46.560 And I think we like to just keep people static. 2:10:47.040 --> 2:10:48.800 So it's like, yeah, if you look at the whole 2:10:48.880 --> 2:10:53.320 career and see where it started changing, where did she 2:10:53.480 --> 2:10:55.920 start doing the programs for people who was coming home? 2:10:55.960 --> 2:10:57.840 Because there's plenty of information. 2:10:57.520 --> 2:11:01.520 Available that she was actually helping people will come home successfully. 2:11:02.040 --> 2:11:04.320 So it's like, it's hard if you feel like the 2:11:04.440 --> 2:11:07.080 people stabbing you are the ones yelling at you to 2:11:07.160 --> 2:11:09.920 stop bleeding, it's hard to say thank you when they 2:11:09.960 --> 2:11:13.680 stop stabbing you, right, like, thank you so much. So 2:11:13.840 --> 2:11:19.360 it's hard to say thank you, Kamala Harris for not 2:11:19.560 --> 2:11:22.360 stabbing us anymore. You know what, I mean, so it's 2:11:22.400 --> 2:11:25.240 a lot of people hesitant. But the truth of the 2:11:25.320 --> 2:11:29.240 matter is that that that party came into power when 2:11:29.360 --> 2:11:32.280 Jerry Brown got elected, and we saw immediate change in 2:11:32.320 --> 2:11:36.280 that environment. The grievance system, how to follow a complaint 2:11:36.360 --> 2:11:38.760 about it, something that you had going on. It needed 2:11:38.800 --> 2:11:41.760 to be dealt with real stuff, family physics, so you 2:11:41.800 --> 2:11:45.760 could go see your mother, the funeral arrangements and you 2:11:45.880 --> 2:11:49.800 want to real things. The processes that got implemented from 2:11:49.880 --> 2:11:55.800 between twenty eleven to being sworn in to twelve twenty thirteen, you. 2:11:55.880 --> 2:11:56.760 Saw the real change. 2:11:56.880 --> 2:12:00.200 We literally saw that shit like forty eight hours, go 2:12:00.320 --> 2:12:02.080 to sleep, wake up and it was like damn, and 2:12:02.160 --> 2:12:03.760 then go to sleep and wake up again and be 2:12:03.880 --> 2:12:07.520 like what the fuck different? The forms were different, the 2:12:07.640 --> 2:12:10.280 way the police training was different, the way they spoke 2:12:10.360 --> 2:12:13.640 to you was different. When the leadership changed, they fucking changed. 2:12:13.760 --> 2:12:14.240 We saw it. 2:12:14.920 --> 2:12:15.880 And so I don't know. 2:12:16.400 --> 2:12:18.800 I'm one of those people who understand that the people 2:12:18.840 --> 2:12:23.200 who caused the bleeding stopped the bleedings. And you know, 2:12:23.760 --> 2:12:26.240 I feel like the Republican Party, Pete Wilson had control 2:12:26.320 --> 2:12:30.440 of California, Pete Wilson and then put in the three 2:12:30.480 --> 2:12:34.600 strikes after the Tripoli class, they add a three percent 2:12:34.720 --> 2:12:37.960 parole grant rate when they took over, I think out 2:12:38.000 --> 2:12:41.600 of twenty four years to four of demo of Republican 2:12:41.720 --> 2:12:44.080 power in the state of California, going back as far 2:12:44.160 --> 2:12:49.400 as Duke Maging to Grey Davis finally getting in there. 2:12:49.720 --> 2:12:53.360 So Grey gets four years, gets re elected, get recalled, 2:12:53.440 --> 2:12:57.080 and they gave us determinated right. So in terms of 2:12:57.240 --> 2:13:00.000 like who he was stabbing us, there's a question about 2:13:00.200 --> 2:13:02.760 who was doing the stab it because the people who 2:13:02.840 --> 2:13:05.560 stop the bleeding aren't necessarily the people who were doing 2:13:05.600 --> 2:13:08.600 the stab And so I think that's the difference for 2:13:08.760 --> 2:13:12.200 me in my perspective of understanding that I want the 2:13:12.280 --> 2:13:14.800 person willing to do the most for the people who 2:13:14.880 --> 2:13:16.960 are still in the situations that I was in. 2:13:17.480 --> 2:13:18.880 Yeah, I mean, I think like at the end of 2:13:18.920 --> 2:13:23.000 the day, like if there's ever humans in our society, 2:13:23.000 --> 2:13:25.840 they get treated like second class citizens. It is people 2:13:25.880 --> 2:13:28.560 who are incarcerated, it's felons. Even when they get out, 2:13:28.840 --> 2:13:31.200 they gotta wear that. It's like a scarlet letter they 2:13:31.200 --> 2:13:32.520 got to wear every time they go do a fucking 2:13:32.600 --> 2:13:37.160 job interview. And now former president is. 2:13:37.120 --> 2:13:38.800 An ex felling ain't that something. 2:13:38.920 --> 2:13:39.840 Ain't that shit crazy? 2:13:39.920 --> 2:13:40.560 Ain't that crazy? 2:13:40.560 --> 2:13:43.080 Whether or not you think he should be a whole 2:13:43.080 --> 2:13:46.360 other discussion, right right, but technically he is. 2:13:46.600 --> 2:13:48.840 They're running for and running for the biggest job in 2:13:49.040 --> 2:13:51.480 the United States of America, in the world, the biggest 2:13:51.560 --> 2:13:52.240 job in the world. 2:13:52.360 --> 2:13:54.560 But somebody would have felt they want to go work. 2:13:54.640 --> 2:13:56.640 Yeah, and look, I like, I don't think you should 2:13:56.640 --> 2:13:58.120 be a felon. I think they went after him like 2:13:58.400 --> 2:14:02.280 for sure, but he's still felon. So it's like now 2:14:02.320 --> 2:14:04.520 it's like, hey, guys, like weish really because I just 2:14:04.560 --> 2:14:07.120 feel like putting that shit on. I mean, obviously, if 2:14:07.160 --> 2:14:09.040 you own a business and you want to do your 2:14:09.040 --> 2:14:10.920 own background check before you hire somebody, that's on you. 2:14:11.040 --> 2:14:14.120 But like, I feel like that whole that box that 2:14:14.160 --> 2:14:16.360 you got to check on the application. Have you ever 2:14:16.400 --> 2:14:18.840 been convicted of a felony? It's just as soon as 2:14:18.880 --> 2:14:21.640 you hit yes, you're fucked. You're not getting the job. 2:14:21.800 --> 2:14:23.680 And now Gavin new Some gets rid of that too. 2:14:23.760 --> 2:14:27.480 For us, I think, man, well, Gavin news Some is 2:14:27.520 --> 2:14:28.280 a fucking chameleon. 2:14:28.360 --> 2:14:28.440 Bro. 2:14:29.240 --> 2:14:30.880 Yes, he's a fucking lizard person. 2:14:31.000 --> 2:14:31.320 For sure. 2:14:33.080 --> 2:14:36.240 He will do whatever he has to do to hold 2:14:36.320 --> 2:14:40.640 on to that power. He's a wild boy. Man that 2:14:40.720 --> 2:14:41.760 gave is a wild boy. 2:14:42.040 --> 2:14:45.120 Hey man, you know, it's an interesting world, for sure. 2:14:45.400 --> 2:14:47.720 I think that man, A lot of people have to 2:14:47.840 --> 2:14:50.560 make decisions based on what they think is gonna be 2:14:51.160 --> 2:14:54.280 gonna have the best outcome for as many people as 2:14:54.360 --> 2:14:57.160 possible as possibly fair. That's really what it comes down to. 2:14:57.680 --> 2:15:00.360 And I want people in my former circumstance is to 2:15:00.440 --> 2:15:05.240 have a legitimate opportunity to get their laws together, rehabilitate, 2:15:05.360 --> 2:15:08.680 get out, be productive in the country. We're the only 2:15:08.800 --> 2:15:13.040 developed country left in the world that actually takes citizenship 2:15:13.120 --> 2:15:16.560 from people like you can't vote anymore, right, not being 2:15:16.600 --> 2:15:22.640 able to vote, your rights agains, search and seizure, your 2:15:22.720 --> 2:15:27.160 constitutional rights actually get taken from you and you essentially 2:15:27.640 --> 2:15:30.240 almost can't get them back. Whereas anywhere if you go 2:15:30.320 --> 2:15:34.240 to Germany, Germany out pacing us in this regard, you 2:15:34.360 --> 2:15:38.600 get in trouble, you get incarcerated, you get rehabilitated, and 2:15:38.680 --> 2:15:43.200 they reintegrate you into society, so you're fully restored, and 2:15:43.600 --> 2:15:48.360 they're saying, go be a member of society, integrate, participate 2:15:48.440 --> 2:15:50.640 in the game. Play the game. We're gonna teach you 2:15:50.720 --> 2:15:53.240 what the game is. Maybe you didn't know, this is 2:15:53.280 --> 2:15:56.160 what the game is. We get a good education, you 2:15:56.240 --> 2:15:59.720 got a job, maybe you build a business. That's your choice, 2:16:00.200 --> 2:16:03.200 but these are the options. And you go and integrate 2:16:03.320 --> 2:16:05.320 and get your money and take care of your family 2:16:05.360 --> 2:16:08.800 and mind your business, and that's it. And our country 2:16:09.680 --> 2:16:12.720 we get you into our system because our criminal justice 2:16:12.760 --> 2:16:17.480 system was created to replace the loss of economic power. 2:16:17.920 --> 2:16:22.280 They got a slavery which was not abolished, it was modified, 2:16:23.040 --> 2:16:26.480 and slavery is hereby abolished ironically in these United States 2:16:26.480 --> 2:16:29.640 of America, except it's punished for punishment for those duly 2:16:29.720 --> 2:16:33.359 convicted of a crime, not felingy, not misdemean. 2:16:33.120 --> 2:16:35.320 No, it's just been rebranded for sure. 2:16:35.840 --> 2:16:40.240 Yeah, they changed slavery from working in the field, you know, 2:16:40.400 --> 2:16:43.440 and now you can grow itams and spirituals. To any 2:16:43.480 --> 2:16:46.080 of you poor motherfuckers. You wanted to fight over this, 2:16:47.040 --> 2:16:49.440 You motherfuckers wanted to fight about it. You wanted some 2:16:49.600 --> 2:16:52.360 of this, then any of you, you poor motherfuckers, then 2:16:53.000 --> 2:16:55.240 can come on over there, go commit a crime, and 2:16:55.280 --> 2:16:57.440 I'm gonna give you fifty million reasons to do it too, 2:16:57.480 --> 2:16:59.280 because this is you're hungry out here, and this shit 2:16:59.360 --> 2:17:01.640 is expensive. It's crazy right now, and you can't get 2:17:01.680 --> 2:17:06.040 a job. Vagrancy loss. This machine was literally created to 2:17:06.160 --> 2:17:09.800 supplement or to replace money that America was losing as 2:17:09.800 --> 2:17:13.120 a result of the so called abolition of slavery. They 2:17:13.240 --> 2:17:15.640 created another labor force to go do work. There was 2:17:15.760 --> 2:17:18.400 no proud man that wanted to go the white your 2:17:18.480 --> 2:17:21.160 poorest white man was too proud to go pick cotton 2:17:21.480 --> 2:17:23.920 right and not picking a fucking cotton. Fuck you think 2:17:24.000 --> 2:17:27.480 this is so who's gonna do it right? So we 2:17:27.520 --> 2:17:29.680 gotta put you motherfuckers back in jail. I'll put you 2:17:29.760 --> 2:17:31.080 in jail, and now I can put you back in 2:17:31.120 --> 2:17:31.520 the field. 2:17:31.640 --> 2:17:32.279 Shit's crazy. 2:17:32.320 --> 2:17:32.800 It's simple. 2:17:33.160 --> 2:17:35.520 Well listen, man, your album is out. Like I said, 2:17:35.520 --> 2:17:37.960 by the time people watch this, it'll be out, So 2:17:38.240 --> 2:17:40.680 go get the album. I'm sure tours coming soon because 2:17:40.680 --> 2:17:42.520 that's how you guys do a red Strange the tours 2:17:42.680 --> 2:17:44.840 always yeah, were. 2:17:44.640 --> 2:17:46.240 About to run around. It's gonna be a whole lot 2:17:46.280 --> 2:17:51.720 of activities as Sending Heaven available everywhere. Strange music curated 2:17:51.800 --> 2:17:55.400 on behalf of block star t Nutty on their bleedze 2:17:55.440 --> 2:17:57.480 on there Ali Alioxen free dropping. 2:17:58.320 --> 2:17:58.800 That's out. 2:17:59.160 --> 2:18:01.400 It should be out already all this should be the 2:18:01.520 --> 2:18:05.000 night really and tomorrow morning. So yeah, man, Ali, Ali Oxen, 2:18:05.080 --> 2:18:08.119 Free Myself, Tech nine T, Nutty bleedz all. I hope 2:18:08.160 --> 2:18:10.760 y'all enjoying that at Send in Heaven is a phenomenal album. 2:18:11.240 --> 2:18:14.200 I really wanted motherfuckers like you to be proud of it. 2:18:15.080 --> 2:18:17.480 I want Voter like it. I want MIZI to like it. 2:18:17.560 --> 2:18:19.520 I want niggas to like it. I want rock him 2:18:19.600 --> 2:18:21.320 to like it. I want Tech that I know Tech 2:18:21.520 --> 2:18:24.120 likes it. I made an album. I made some hip 2:18:24.200 --> 2:18:27.000 hop music that's up and we're doing what we're doing 2:18:27.040 --> 2:18:27.360 on there. 2:18:27.560 --> 2:18:29.720 Well go get it. I appreciate to sit down. Finally, man, 2:18:29.800 --> 2:18:31.720 and it's doe X rated boom