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Speaker 2: Republicans are putting together their budget proposal referred to this earlier,

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Speaker 2: and you know, it looks like giant tax cuts for

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Speaker 2: the rich and a bunch of cuts to programs that

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Speaker 2: benefit the poor and working poor, And in particular, they're

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Speaker 2: taking a giant hatchet to medicaid.

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Speaker 3: So Trump and his.

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Speaker 2: Little you know, dual interview with Elon sitting next to him,

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Speaker 2: was asked about whether there would be cuts to Social Security, Medicare,

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Speaker 2: and Medicaid quote unquote entitlement programs.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen to what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: We don't need a Department of Education, okay, And what

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Speaker 4: some people are trying to do is stoke fears that

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Speaker 4: oh my gosh, my kid's not going to get the

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Speaker 4: money for education or grandma. Social Security and Medicare. This

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Speaker 4: is a big promise of yours on the campaign trail.

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Speaker 4: So I really want to give you both an opportunity

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Speaker 4: to assure the American people you will keep money will

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Speaker 4: be allocated for students, but with higher standards. For example,

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Speaker 4: I would assume associated with money is given.

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Speaker 5: Or just so much. And then Elon goes, but look,

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Speaker 5: social Security won't be touched other than it be fraud

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Speaker 5: or something we're going to find. It's going to be strengthened,

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Speaker 5: but won't be touched. Medicare, Medicaid, none of that stuff

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Speaker 5: is going to be touched.

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Speaker 6: Nothing.

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Speaker 5: I want you to have to now, if there are illegal

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Speaker 5: migrants in the system, we're going to get them out

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Speaker 5: of the system and all of that fraud, but it's

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Speaker 5: not going to be touching.

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Speaker 2: So no cuts to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

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Speaker 3: He says.

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Speaker 2: Then the very next day put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: He goes out and backs the House budget proposal, which

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Speaker 2: dramatically cuts Medicaid, the program in Sanstein points out Trump

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Speaker 2: said last night he would not touch Here's the truth

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Speaker 2: social that he posts the House and Center doing a

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Speaker 2: spectacular job of working together as when unified, an unbeatable

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Speaker 2: team in all caps. However, unlike the Lindsey Graham version

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Speaker 2: of the very important legislation currently being discussed, the House

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Speaker 2: resolution implements my full America First Agenda everything, not just

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Speaker 2: parts of it. We need both chambers to pass the

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Speaker 2: House budget to kickstart the reconciliation process, move all our

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Speaker 2: priorities to the concept of one big, beautiful bill will

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Speaker 2: without question make America great again. So you also, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean Trump has built and this is one of

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Speaker 2: the divergences of Trump two point zero versus Trump one

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Speaker 2: with regular people off of this repeated promise he was

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Speaker 2: not going to touch Social Security and Medicare. And then

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Speaker 2: in that statement he also had originally expanded it, which

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Speaker 2: regular basis, he's always retweeting Mike leasing Social securities of

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Speaker 2: has gone out of his way to fraudulently claim that

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Speaker 3: Of these proper payments, you know.

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Speaker 2: To people who are three hundred years old or whatever,

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Speaker 2: which is total, incomplete nonsense. Saga and I talked about

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Speaker 2: this earlier in the week. You can go check out

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Speaker 2: that segment for the details and the receipts there. So

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Speaker 2: clearly Elon wants to dismantle these programs, and it's trying

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Speaker 2: the fraud, we're not actually cutting benefits. But you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're backing the House Republican bill that takes that's

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Speaker 2: And also if you're serious about you know, Elon talks

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Speaker 7: So to play Trump's advocate here, well, not advocate, but

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Speaker 7: a potential defense of what Trump is doing here. If

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Speaker 7: you notice in his comment what he says is all

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Speaker 6: Is what we need.

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Speaker 7: We need both chambers to pass the House budget to kickstart.

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Speaker 7: And he puts that in quotes the reconciliation process and

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Speaker 6: It will without question make America great again.

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Speaker 7: So what you could believe, and this is what you know,

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Speaker 7: the people who are hopeful that Trump is actually going

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Speaker 7: to stick by what he said about medicaid, what you

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Speaker 7: could believe is that he's saying the House process of

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Speaker 7: doing the tax cuts and all the spending cuts in

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Speaker 7: the same reconciliation bill and reconciliation just means that you

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Speaker 7: superior to the Senate approach, which is to do separate

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Speaker 7: reconciliation bills, where you're going to do the reforms here

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Speaker 7: and do the budget with the Medicaid and America cuts

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Speaker 7: and all this, and then you're going to do the

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Speaker 7: tax cuts. There are a lot of mega people who

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Speaker 7: are arguing, if you do that, you will fail, Like,

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Speaker 7: we have one shot. We being maga, we have one

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Speaker 6: We got to do it immediately so that it all.

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Speaker 7: Takes effect because they've seen Obama and Biden fail because

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Speaker 7: they pass all these good things and all they get

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Speaker 7: actual spending comes too late to be politically beneficial.

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Speaker 6: And so these republicshers don't be idiots. Do this now so.

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Speaker 7: That by the time the midterms come around, people are

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Speaker 7: feeling the benefits of all those wonderful things we did.

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Speaker 7: So the argument would be Trump's only endorsing the House

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Speaker 7: process of doing, of putting them all together, and that

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Speaker 7: he's still going to stop fight them on Medicaid.

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Speaker 6: The counter to that is, good luck, you can't.

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Speaker 7: The numbers don't work out exactly, so you're going to

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Speaker 7: have to But the way that Trump will could ultimately

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Speaker 7: sit up much further. Right, Okay, we're going to do

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Speaker 7: the tax cuts and we're gonna preserve Medicaid and Medicare

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Speaker 7: and solid security, which is what I think they will

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Speaker 7: actually end up doing.

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Speaker 6: And then when we're like.

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Speaker 7: Hey, you said you cared about the deficit, they'll be like, wow,

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Speaker 7: we didn't, and neither do you.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that there are because the other thing

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Speaker 2: they have to deal with is they have a what

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Speaker 3: These are very weak people who are you know, some

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Speaker 2: Desperate to appear like, oh, we're bipartisan blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: And you know some of them are have positioned themselves

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Speaker 2: definitely going to have in there. They're four trillion dollar

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Speaker 2: extension of tax cuts for the rich. That's the Tax

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Speaker 2: it has to be extended. That's a huge price tag,

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Speaker 2: four trillion dollars over what ten year period. And so

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Speaker 2: if you're going to even and fudge the numbers to

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Speaker 2: make it look like you're not adding to the deficit,

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Speaker 2: which they're already saying, like, we're going to fudge the numbers.

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Speaker 2: this growth that you know, doesn't really Maybe they will,

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Speaker 2: but it's unlikely. It's not the way they normally do

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Speaker 2: going to fudge the numbers in this particular way, it's

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Speaker 2: still is going to require a lot of cuts from somewhere,

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Speaker 2: which also would be a very expensive add on. So

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Speaker 2: how are you going to you know, how are you

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Speaker 2: going to compensate for all of that? On the other side.

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Speaker 2: And as if you're digging into these numbers on DOGE,

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Speaker 2: you're quickly learning there are just a few buckets in

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Speaker 2: the federal budget that really make up the bulk of

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Speaker 2: it is healthcare, Medicare and Medicaid, and it is Social Security.

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Speaker 2: And if you aren't those things like you are nibbling around.

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Speaker 3: The edges, that's just the reality.

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Speaker 2: Right now, you can put this next piece up on

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Speaker 2: the screen because this also gets to the same dynamic.

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Speaker 2: So the House Republican budget also calls for an increase

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Speaker 2: This is the plan again that Trump just endorsed, as

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Speaker 2: prem Dogger is pointing out here, at the very same

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Speaker 2: time that he has asked the Pentagon for a plan

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Speaker 2: to implement sweeping budget cuts, slashing eight percent from the

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Speaker 2: defense budget in each of the next five years, per

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Speaker 2: amendment that was obtained by the Washington Post. Apparently Pete

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Speaker 2: So again you have Trump endorsing an increase of one

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So when you listen to a lot of the House

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Speaker 7: about Trump's talking about Trump rolling back the empire and

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Speaker 7: going doing spending cuts, they very quickly.

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Speaker 6: Get uncomfortable as soon as the Pentagon comes up.

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Speaker 7: That's right, It's it's wild, like they're the The number

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Speaker 7: of people within the MAGA coalition at the top willing

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Speaker 7: to take on the Pentagon is minuscule.

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Speaker 3: Well, and there's a reason why the.

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Speaker 7: Base they're there ish for it as long as it

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Speaker 7: goes after the I think they're willing to go after

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Speaker 7: the weapons makers, the military industrial complex. A huge portion

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Speaker 7: of our spending is you know, veterans affairs and and

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Speaker 7: salaries of active duty enlisted people.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And there were there who.

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Speaker 7: Are already struggling on food stamps and like, you know,

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Speaker 7: so that gets interesting too.

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Speaker 6: You ut the military budget too far, you're now you're

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Speaker 6: coming out getting into backshits humans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and actually, if you look at the polling, if

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Speaker 3: Want things cut. It is the military, right, you know, they.

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Speaker 10: the United States when stating an opinion as to what

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Speaker 10: the law is.

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Speaker 2: So this fits with also the way that Elon has

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Speaker 2: been describing the workings of our government.

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Speaker 3: Which is basically like.

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Speaker 2: Trump is the only true representative of the people. So

447
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Speaker 2: if you're standing in the way of what Trump wants

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Speaker 2: to do, then you are anti democratic. You are trying

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Speaker 2: to thwart the will of the people. And as you

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Speaker 2: pointed out many times, Ryan, that is not the way

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Speaker 2: that our system works. In fact, the House of Representatives

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Speaker 2: is specifically set up to be a more representative body

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Speaker 2: and to reflect the individual proclivities regional proclivities of all

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Speaker 2: the different districts and varied constituencies within the country. We

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Speaker 2: don't have a system where the president is basically like

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Speaker 2: king and gets to wipe the slate clean and implement

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Speaker 2: his entire agenda. But that is the way that they're

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Speaker 2: trying to position and explain their philosophy about.

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Speaker 3: All of this.

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Speaker 7: And if he's restricting when he says the US, if

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Speaker 7: he just means the executive because sometimes that's what that's

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Speaker 7: how you refer to the executive. You know, it's the

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Speaker 7: US if you go to civil court or criminal court

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Speaker 7: to US versus you know, Whoever, if.

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Speaker 6: That's what you mean, I could, I could.

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Speaker 7: There's an argument to be made that the president wins,

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Speaker 7: he should be able to tell the SEC what its

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Speaker 7: priorities should be, and if the SEC is not abiding

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Speaker 7: by those priorities, he should be able to change, you know,

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Speaker 7: change out you know who the leaders of the SEC are,

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Speaker 7: or the CFP B or FTC or any of these

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Speaker 7: other agencies. Like you have an election, you run on

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Speaker 7: saying you're going to do something through the FTC.

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Speaker 6: It would be.

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Speaker 7: Messed up if Trump wanted to do anti monopoly stuff

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Speaker 7: and he's got Wall Street guys over it em and

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Speaker 7: a guys.

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Speaker 6: Over at FTC, and they're like, no, we're not doing that.

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Speaker 7: But what you can't do is just dismantle them with

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Speaker 7: like he's doing with CFP Bright Because I'm actually okay

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Speaker 7: with a president within the laws created by Congress having

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Speaker 7: having a direction direct you know, having direction.

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Speaker 6: Over these agencies. I think that's fine.

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Speaker 7: But you can't just get rid of him, right, which

485
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Speaker 7: he's which look, with several of them, he's just saying like, oh,

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Speaker 7: this doesn't exist anymore. We're putting putting it in either

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Speaker 7: in the wood chipper or r A p C, CFPB

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Speaker 7: like you have to Congress has to be involved in that.

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Speaker 6: That's our system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very well said, All right, let's go ahead and

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Speaker 2: move on to this congestion pricing piece, which kind of

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Speaker 2: fits into the whole, like Trump acting like a dictator,

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Speaker 2: or Eline acting like a dictator, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: President Donald Trump has weighed in on New York City's

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Speaker 7: congestion pricing, put this element on the screen saying that

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Speaker 7: it's dead. He's going to kill it. Congestion pricing is dead.

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Speaker 7: Manhattan and all of New York is saved. Long Live

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Speaker 7: the King. That posted Donald J. Trump to his truth

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Speaker 7: social This was curiously a significant amount of leverage that

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Speaker 7: Trump had over Governor Hockel, who is now under pressure

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Speaker 7: to remove Eric Adams from office.

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Speaker 6: There was some there was.

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Speaker 7: Some sense that one that you didn't want to cross

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Speaker 7: Trump because she didn't want the congestion pricing to be nuked.

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Speaker 6: That leverage is is now gone.

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Speaker 7: Trump really leaning into this, uh you know King Donald

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Speaker 7: routine that he that he started here.

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Speaker 6: He also the White House posted this.

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Speaker 7: We can put his next element up a mock up

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Speaker 7: of a fake Time magazine with that's Trump with wearing

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Speaker 7: a crown with long Live the King written under it.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 7: Congestion pricing is only about a month old at this point.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And Governor Hockle came out with a statement, uh urging

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Speaker 7: Trump to you know, back off of this effort to

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Speaker 7: kill it.

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Speaker 6: We can put this next element up here. This is

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Speaker 6: statement from Governor Katy the Hogle.

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Speaker 7: She says, public transit is the lifeblood of New York

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Speaker 7: City and critical to our economic future. As a New Yorker,

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Speaker 7: like President Trump knows very well. Since this first in

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Speaker 7: the nation program took effect last month, congestion has dropped

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Speaker 7: dramatically and commuters are getting to work faster than ever.

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Speaker 7: Broadway shows are selling out, and foot traffic to local

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Speaker 7: businesses is spiking. School buses are getting kids to class

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Speaker 7: on time, and yellow cab trips increased by ten percent.

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Speaker 7: Transit ridership is up, drivers are having a better experience,

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Speaker 7: and support for this program is growing every day. We

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Speaker 7: are a nation of laws, not ruled by a king.

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Speaker 7: The MTA has initiated legal proceedings in the Southern District

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Speaker 7: of New York to preserve this critical program. We'll see

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Speaker 7: you in court, she says. And you know, key to

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Speaker 7: this is that question of I mean, aside from whether

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Speaker 7: or not we're ruled by a king or not. We'll

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Speaker 7: figure that out over the next couple of years, the

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Speaker 7: question of whether or not this is popular. I can

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Speaker 7: put this next element up on the screen, a poll

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Speaker 7: about six and ten saying they want New York City

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Speaker 7: congestion pricing to continue. If you dive deeper into the pole,

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Speaker 7: the support is quite strong for this new program, Stronger

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Speaker 7: than it was, I would say when it was launched.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was what I found as well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and the advocates of it argued that it is

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Speaker 7: one of those government programs that doesn't feel right out

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Speaker 7: of the gate. You're like, I got to pay for

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Speaker 7: something I didn't have to pay for before, which, by

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Speaker 7: the way, streets are the only thing that we think

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Speaker 7: should be free. Like if you ever suggest that riding

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Speaker 7: the bus should be free or riding the subway should

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Speaker 7: be free, which I'd be cool with, Yeah, you sound

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Speaker 7: like a radical commy socialist.

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Speaker 6: And they're like, what are you crazy?

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Speaker 7: But why Like, that's the public built the bus list

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Speaker 7: and the public built the subway, and the public built

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Speaker 7: the roads.

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Speaker 6: It's the roads that people feel like they have this

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Speaker 6: right to.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 6: So when it comes to the congestion pricings, I put up.

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Speaker 7: On my feed last night, I was curious for my

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Speaker 7: own followers how they were liking it. And you know,

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Speaker 7: I think universally everyone who responded, at least to me.

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Speaker 7: Obviously it is not a scientific poll, you know, but

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Speaker 7: Twitter is filled with you know, cranky conservative people who

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Speaker 7: don't like and they have they are not shy about

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Speaker 7: sharing their opinions with me. As you can just scroll

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Speaker 7: through my feed and see everyone is like, the streets

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Speaker 7: are it's the commutes are less. I'm shaving a half

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Speaker 7: an hour to an hour off my commute. You can

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Speaker 7: walk around the city better. Public transmission ridership is up

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Speaker 7: and money is flowing in to the city that is

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Speaker 7: supposed to be earmarked to upgrade the subways. And the

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Speaker 7: bus is as somebody pointed out, the buses from New

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Speaker 7: Jersey are making it through the tunnels much more smoothly,

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Speaker 7: which then makes being able to take the bus much

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Speaker 7: more feasible. Thing before, like, I'm not going to take

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Speaker 7: the bus and sit for thirty minutes inside this tunnel. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: but now if it's going to move through, and if

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Speaker 7: the bus is if you're taking the bus from Harlem

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Speaker 7: all the way down and it's moving much quicker, and

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Speaker 7: all of a sudden, a bus trip which previously was

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Speaker 7: not even something that you would consider doing because once

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Speaker 7: it's in a bus for an hour and a half,

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Speaker 7: now all of a sudden, it's reasonable. And now your

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Speaker 7: uber and your taxi rides are much much quicker too.

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Speaker 7: So everyone seems happy, obviously except for people who are

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Speaker 7: getting hit with the with toll. But a lot of

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Speaker 7: the people who are paying the toll are like, it's

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Speaker 7: taking me an hour less and I'm and time is

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Speaker 7: valuable and I will spend that.

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Speaker 3: That's a great point too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have taken a bunch of those express

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Speaker 2: buses from New Jersey into the city. And if you

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Speaker 2: haven't lived there or done that, like, you may not

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Speaker 2: know that they come, like if you are in a

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Speaker 2: certain they'll come like every ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: It's actually very practical.

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Speaker 2: It's it's not a hardship to walk out one block,

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Speaker 2: wait for this bus for five minutes, and if you

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Speaker 2: miss it, get the next one ten minutes later, and

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Speaker 2: you know, zoom into the city and can help with commute.

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Speaker 7: To so working class people are commuting into Manhattan. Well

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Speaker 7: working class people can commute to somewhere else and then

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Speaker 7: take public trade, take the.

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Speaker 3: Public transit in Yeah, you know, I saw.

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Speaker 2: I talked to some friends who live in the city

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Speaker 2: who were very upset about this because they feel like,

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Speaker 2: for once there was something that was done that immediately

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Speaker 2: actually improved their lives. And imagine that made life easier.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I lived in Manhattan for a

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Speaker 2: number of years, and the nightmare of trying to get

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Speaker 2: from one side down to the other, or get down

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Speaker 2: down or update and not know. And that's the thing too,

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Speaker 2: is like not no wing, is this going to be

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Speaker 2: a day where it's going to take thirty minutes? Is

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Speaker 2: it going to be a day where it takes an hour?

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Speaker 2: And ultimately I just like bail out of bail out

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Speaker 2: and walk the last or whatever, you know. And to

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Speaker 2: have that level of predictability and just ease of movement,

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Speaker 2: it really is like a freeing, a sense of freedom

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Speaker 2: that people had gained with this congestion pricing because it

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Speaker 2: had made such an improvement, and then to have Trump

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Speaker 2: just come in out of spite effectively and totally reverse it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that this is this was a material improvement

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Speaker 2: for people who live in New York City. The other

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Speaker 2: piece here with the like long lived the King part

628
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: is I feel a little bit like you know, gas

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Speaker 2: lit in the same way with Elon Musk's like Kyle

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Speaker 2: Hitler thing like we're supposed to pretend like that you

631
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Speaker 2: didn't just do the thing that we saw you do. Like,

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Speaker 2: don't get mad about us calling you a dictator when

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Speaker 2: you're calling yourself a king and a dictator and sharing

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Speaker 2: this Time magazine, fake Time magazine of you as a

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Speaker 2: king on you know, on from the official White House

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Speaker 2: Twitter account. Also, this wasn't some rando, but you know

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Speaker 2: I was saying to you earlier. I also think it

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Speaker 2: is a little bit of him trying to claim as power,

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00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: because it is true that Elon, of the two of them,

640
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: seems like the much more powerful entity. Now Trump is

641
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: mostly out playing golf. The number of Daisies played golf

642
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: already in this administration is quite extraordinary. He wants to

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Speaker 2: do the pieces he wants to do, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of it does feel like it's been sort of like

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00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: handed over an outsource to Elon. So I think he

646
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: also wanted to reassert himself a little bit here. The

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Speaker 2: Eric Adams dynamic is interesting to me. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: you know that this is really popular because Kathy Hochel

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Speaker 2: is actually taking a stand in right in favor of it.

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Speaker 2: And this is the most like weak, need pathetic democratic leader.

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Speaker 6: You can imagine to the suburbs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so the fact that she is stridently and in

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00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: multiple posts aggressively defending congestion pricing tells you just how

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Speaker 2: popular it is with New york Er. It's not just

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Speaker 2: like some tiny sliver of lefties in Brooklyn or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And I do think that it probably makes her more

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Speaker 2: likely to exercise the power she does have to remove

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Speaker 2: Eric Adams from office. But you know, she's been meeting

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Speaker 2: with a variety of leaders getting their opinions on that.

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Speaker 2: Apparently there's some concern. I don't know what his numbers

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Speaker 2: are at this point. They can't be good. There's this

663
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Speaker 2: a knee jerk assumption that he still has strong support

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Speaker 2: among black voters in the city and in the state.

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Speaker 2: I just maybe, but I haven't seen the polling to

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Speaker 2: justify that. I would think that they would be disgusted

667
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Speaker 2: with the you know, corruption and self dealing and cozying

668
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Speaker 2: up to Trump as much as or more than anybody else.

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Speaker 7: Yesterday, you had a significant number of black elected officials

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Speaker 7: coming out and supporting Eric Adams as but black elected officials,

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Speaker 7: like they were saying, as a black elected official, we

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Speaker 7: oppose Kathy Hokal removing Eric Adams. So there is at

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Speaker 7: least on the elected level, that kind of pushback being organized.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they speak really

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Speaker 2: for anybody but themselves.

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Speaker 3: And also there are.

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Speaker 2: Other black elected officials that you could have in that

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Speaker 2: office who are interested in the seat as well.

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Speaker 7: So it would be Annie Williams who would become there, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: that's right, which which would be kind of amazing because

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Speaker 7: he's kind of a radical lefty working families party guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be a pretty dramatic ideological sit shift

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Speaker 2: from fact yes, from Trump de facto running New York

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Speaker 2: City as he apparently does now to having a working

685
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Speaker 2: families party.

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Speaker 6: Trump should go spend some time in New York.

687
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Speaker 7: He hasn't been there the last month, but traffic in

688
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Speaker 7: front of the Trump Tower it's just constant fumes and

689
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Speaker 7: like you can't move.

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Speaker 6: He should go check it out. Maybe you'll like it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if it's all at the whim of the king,

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Speaker 6: then the king needs to chariot and go to New

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Speaker 6: York City.

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Speaker 2: Increasing the value of his properties within Manhattan.

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Speaker 6: It absolutely would.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the appeal to make there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go ahead and get to our

698
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: guest who's been directly impacted by some of the federal

699
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Speaker 2: freezes and.

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Speaker 3: Hear his story.

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Speaker 2: We're really fortunate to be joined this morning by someone

702
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Speaker 2: who has been impacted by some of these across the

703
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Speaker 2: board spending freezes. Bob Blake is the founder of Solar

704
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Speaker 2: Bear Full Service solar installation company and also Native Sun

705
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Speaker 2: Community Power Development, a Native led nonprofit that promotes renewable

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Speaker 2: energy and energy efficiency.

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Speaker 3: Great to meet you, Bob. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: joining us.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you got this notification like a letter from

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Speaker 2: the federal government on January twenty eighth. Give us a

712
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Speaker 2: sense of what you were up to and how this

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Speaker 2: has impacted you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Well, we had a number of projects that we were

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Speaker 11: working on between electric vehicles and also solar projects, battery

717
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Speaker 11: projects through the Department of Energy and other agencies, and

718
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Speaker 11: we got this letter saying to essentially stop that.

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Speaker 8: In all these different projects.

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Speaker 11: And so we adhere to the letter because it did

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Speaker 11: come down from this particular our administration, and so we're

722
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Speaker 11: kind of sitting in a spot where we're kind of

723
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Speaker 11: in limble right now, trying to figure out exactly what

724
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Speaker 11: our next moves are going to be.

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Speaker 7: So if you're trying to talk to somebody, Let's say

726
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Speaker 7: somebody is watching this and their number one concern is

727
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Speaker 7: they want to cut the deficit, cut government spending, make

728
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Speaker 7: and make things more affordable for people here.

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Speaker 6: In the United States.

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Speaker 7: What would you say to them about this spending and

731
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Speaker 7: whether that's actually going to accomplish that long term?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, great question.

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Speaker 11: You know, a lot of these projects are around and

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Speaker 11: focusing on renewable energy, and we know that that is

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Speaker 11: one of the cheapest sources of energy that we can

736
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Speaker 11: you know, use. The other part about this is a

737
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Speaker 11: lot of these projects are out in rural communities where,

738
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Speaker 11: you know, because of the weather patterns, because of what's

739
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Speaker 11: currently happening with climate change, you know.

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Speaker 8: A lot of the.

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Speaker 11: Savings are going to go into these communities, and not

742
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Speaker 11: only that, but hire these individuals to be able to

743
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Speaker 11: you know, work in this industry, so you know, this

744
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Speaker 11: is really going to affect you know, a lot of

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Speaker 11: these most vulnerable communities, especially in rural America, where a

746
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Speaker 11: lot of this funding, and a lot of this money

747
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Speaker 11: is concentrated at.

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Speaker 2: And so tell us specifically about the programs you were

749
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Speaker 2: working on. I know one was for building out electric

750
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Speaker 2: vehicle chargers, and now there was a solar installation project. Like,

751
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Speaker 2: give us a little bit of nitty gritty about why

752
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Speaker 2: these particular projects were important for these particular communities.

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Speaker 11: Yes, well, they were going to save the average American

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Speaker 11: right fuel savings. You know, we deal with energy poverty

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Speaker 11: in these areas. They were going to be able to

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Speaker 11: save them on their electricity bill. We know that a

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Speaker 11: lot of folks that you know, lose their homes, one

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Speaker 11: of the first things they can't do.

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Speaker 8: Is pay their electricity bill.

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Speaker 11: So it's kind of of, you know, a way for

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Speaker 11: us to be able to you know, keep people in

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Speaker 11: their homes, h the jobs, the operations and maintenance that

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Speaker 11: we're going to be happening from from these particular projects.

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Speaker 11: You know, we can the workforce development opportunities that we're

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Speaker 11: going to be happening from this. Also, just the opportunity

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Speaker 11: that one of the battery projects was actually going to

767
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Speaker 11: be backing up a criminal justice complex, so you know,

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Speaker 11: and those extra savings could have went into rehabilitation programs,

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Speaker 11: being able to offer you know, folks, the ability to

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Speaker 11: get a job when released. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 11: things here that I believe that you know, that these

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Speaker 11: savings could have helped these communities by by implementing them.

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Speaker 6: So what's going to happen without this federal money?

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Speaker 11: Well, currently, right now these projects are on hold.

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Speaker 8: I we I hope that.

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Speaker 11: This administration reconsiders because investment into Rule America is an

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Speaker 11: investment into this country. Investment into UH to energy sovereignty

778
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Speaker 11: is an investment UH into this country. So I hope

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Speaker 11: that this that this UH, this administration reconsiders their actions

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Speaker 11: and then we can continue forward UH with these great

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Speaker 11: projects that you know that the past administration felt like

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Speaker 11: were needed.

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Speaker 6: It just occurred to me, By the way.

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Speaker 7: Are the workers who are being furloughed as a result

785
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Speaker 7: of these projects being shut down applying for unemployment benefits

786
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Speaker 7: as we speak?

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Speaker 11: You know, I I can't speak for every UH subcontractor,

788
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Speaker 11: but you know what happens a lot of times in

789
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Speaker 11: these situations is that they do have to apply for

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Speaker 11: you know, benefits.

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Speaker 7: Which you can imagine why I'm asking that question, because

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Speaker 7: the person who is eyeing this from the perspective of

793
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Speaker 7: trying to save taxpayer money. Has to realize that what

794
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 7: they just did is they're still paying people tax payer money,

795
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Speaker 7: except now they're paying them to sit at home in

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Speaker 7: homes powered by you know, fossil fuels, right that are

797
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Speaker 7: more expensive, instead of paying them to go out and

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Speaker 7: develop renewable energy.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 11: And and and I think, and I think you get

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Speaker 11: to a much bigger picture, right, is you know, the

802
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Speaker 11: purpose that these folks get from doing this, doing this

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Speaker 11: kind of work, right, and this is how we battle

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Speaker 11: the social ills that are plague in our community, like

805
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Speaker 11: drug addictions, alcoholism.

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Speaker 8: You know, we can go down.

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Speaker 11: Down the list, but you give these folks the purpose

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Speaker 11: and you know, the opportunity you get up every morning

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Speaker 11: and serve their communities. You know, there's other ways that

810
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Speaker 11: you know, and if you don't do that, they're going

811
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Speaker 11: to fall into these other traps. And that's one of

812
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Speaker 11: the things that I'm concerned about and and that that

813
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Speaker 11: I worry about because you know, we we all love

814
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Speaker 11: our communities and we just want the best for them.

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Speaker 2: And of course it's also just one more broken promise

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Speaker 2: between the federal government and these tribal nations also that

817
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Speaker 2: you're working in. That has to fuel a long and

818
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 2: very justified sentiment of you know, you can't you can't

819
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Speaker 2: trust these people. They're not going to be there for

820
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Speaker 2: us when we need them.

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Speaker 8: Great point, you know that. That's another thing here.

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Speaker 11: A lot of my projects are in tribal communities, and

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Speaker 11: there's been a lot of broken promises between the United

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Speaker 11: States government and tribal nations. There is a nation to

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Speaker 11: nation trust responsibility that I believe that the United States

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Speaker 11: government needs to fulfill that There Supreme Court Neil Gorsicic

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Speaker 11: did point out that treaties are the supreme law of

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Speaker 11: the land. I hope that you know, this president and

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Speaker 11: this administration adheres to that.

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Speaker 8: So you're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 11: This is just another and a long list of broken

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Speaker 11: promises that that are happening in Native country.

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Speaker 2: My last question for you, Bob and Ryan may have

834
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Speaker 2: one as well, but what what what do you do next?

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Speaker 2: What's your plan from here?

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Speaker 6: That's what I was gonna ask.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well, you know, I I will continue to advocate

838
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Speaker 11: for you know, uh, a greener, cleaner future for for all,

839
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Speaker 11: for for all, and and we will try to get

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Speaker 11: these uh these projects uh financed some way, somehow, And

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Speaker 11: you know, the bottom line is is that a lot

842
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Speaker 11: of people are counting on us and and we want

843
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Speaker 11: to we want to come through. So that's gonna be

844
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Speaker 11: my next job and and I hope that we can

845
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Speaker 11: continue to fulfill our at least our promise to these communities.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Bob.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to meet you, and we're really grateful

848
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Speaker 2: for you sharing your story.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: It's our pleasure.

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Speaker 2: As we discussed earlier this week, Argentina's president just hyped

852
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Speaker 2: a massive crypto shit coin pump and dump, which effectively

853
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: robbed his own biggest supporters. The whole thing was ultimately

854
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 2: quite similar to the scheme Trump also pulled, and behold,

855
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: some of the same people were involved in this Argentina

856
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: Libra rug pole as we're involved in the Milania rug

857
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Speaker 2: Pole YouTube scam. Investigator coffee Zilla managed to score an

858
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Speaker 2: interview with one of these fraudsters, and there was a

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Speaker 2: particular part that helped me put together something I've been

860
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: trying to articulate since the beginning of Trump two point zero,

861
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: whether with regard to Doge Maha or the new return

862
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: to outright colonialism and imperialism. The moment came towards the

863
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Speaker 2: end of the interview, after this scammer his name is

864
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Speaker 2: Hayden Davis admits that.

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Speaker 3: All crypto is quote dogshit.

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Speaker 2: How then does he justify his role in massive, repeated

867
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Speaker 2: scams of people using this quote unquote dogshit.

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Speaker 3: Take a list on what he had to say.

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Speaker 6: I'm very pro.

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Speaker 9: Getting everything away from regulated markets, but I'm now recognized

871
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 9: because I think that that's another game. I think that's

872
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 9: an insider game, right, whether it's the pelosis of the

873
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 9: world or the stock game, that's an insider game too.

874
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 9: It's just a different type and people have to be

875
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 9: more careful. But capital markets are an insider game. The

876
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 9: whole thing is like, I'm never nobody's ever gonna convince

877
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 9: me that it's not rigged. Banks pay hundreds of millions

878
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Speaker 9: of dollars a year to do illegal shit because they

879
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 9: can make more money other ways. Like I could keep

880
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 9: going on with with bullshit after bullshit after bullshit. I

881
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 9: think if you're gonna die on the sword of meme coins,

882
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 9: being you know, insideer this or sniping that, like you're

883
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 9: full of shit because there's every market in the world

884
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 9: is like that that makes a shitload of money.

885
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 12: Well yeah, I just I just want I just want

886
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 12: to put a note in that if your argument for

887
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 12: capital markets is you know they they are rigged, that's

888
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 12: actually an argument for more regulation against rigging than it

889
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 12: is for less.

890
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 13: Like you wouldn't look at a rigged game and go, hey, guys,

891
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 13: let's take away all the rules we had in place

892
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 13: anyway to try to stop it getting rigged.

893
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 9: Right, But then I have to trust Then you have

894
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 9: to trust the regulators, and most of them are being

895
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 9: paid off.

896
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 6: And that's been proven time and time forever, because.

897
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 14: Hum yeah, yeah, but but but once again, the conclusion

898
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 14: to like seeing problems in the world is not like

899
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 14: you realize, like your brakes aren't working correctly.

900
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 13: It's not to go like, hey, the brake manufacturers paid off,

901
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 13: so let's just not have breaks at all. It's going

902
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 13: it's methodically approaching it and going, Okay, we need to

903
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 13: advocate for more regulation here, we need to advocate for

904
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 13: more rules here, saying like, oh, yeah, it's all rigged.

905
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 13: Isn't the dunk that people think it is on rules

906
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 13: in general?

907
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 8: Does that make sense? Sure?

908
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 9: But it's it doesn't matter like that to me like that,

909
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 9: to me is kind of a mute a little bit

910
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 9: of a mute point, because it's like, it doesn't matter.

911
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 9: The people that have the most money, the most access,

912
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 9: and the most control, which is insiders, and any market

913
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 9: in the world always win.

914
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: So Hayden basically says, well, mainstream financial markets are scamming

915
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: to so I'm going to get mine with an even

916
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: more brazen scam. Coffee, of course, correctly points out the

917
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: answer of financial for is better laws, enforcement, less corruption,

918
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: But Hayden's already made up his mind. Since the big

919
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: banks are imperfect, we should just give up on policing

920
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: things like rug poles, insider training, and outright theft. Now

921
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: that philosophy actually seems to me to be pretty core

922
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: to the ethos of Trump two point zero. It's a

923
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 2: dark nihilism that effectively says, look, everything's bad, so let's

924
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 2: just make it worse. Since the financial system is gained

925
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: by insiders, let's just go full open scam. Since money

926
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: has infected politics, let's just take open bribes. Since we've

927
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: been hypocritical about international law, let's just revert to pure barbarism.

928
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: It's an ethos that I think is very much at

929
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: the core of the anarcho capitalist ideology that Elon and

930
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: Project twenty five architect Russ Vote have infused the second

931
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Trump administration with. Since governments can't fully check corporate power,

932
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: just disband the government, privatize all functions, and let the

933
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: oligarch's CEO dictators run wild. Don't believe me, Just listen

934
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: to Mark Andresen, as influential a person as any in

935
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 2: this administration, explain how, since democracy will always be flawed,

936
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: we should just openly embrace oligarchy.

937
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 15: So the Iron Love oligarchy basically says democracy is fake.

938
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 15: There's always a ruling class, there's always a ruling elite structurally,

939
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 15: and so the reason for that is because the masses

940
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 15: can't organize. Right, what's the fundamental problem that, whether the

941
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 15: mass is twenty five thousand people in Union or two

942
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 15: hundred and fifty million people in a country, the masses

943
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 15: can't organize. The majority cannot organize. Only a minority can organize.

944
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 15: And to be effective in politics, you must organize. And therefore,

945
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 15: every political structure in human history has been some form

946
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 15: of a small organized elite ruling a large and dispersed majority.

947
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 15: Every single one and so basically, basically the presumption that

948
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 15: we are in a democracy is just sort of by

949
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 15: definition fake. Now good news for the US. It turns

950
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 15: out the founders understood this, and so of course they

951
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 15: didn't give us a direct democracy. They gave us a

952
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 15: representative democracy, right, and so they built the oligarchy into

953
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 15: the system in the form of Congress, in the executive

954
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 15: branch and the judicial branch. But so anyway, so as

955
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 15: a consequence, democracy is always everywhere fake. There is always

956
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 15: a ruling elite. And basically the lesson the Machabelians is

957
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 15: you can deny that if you want, you're fooling yourself.

958
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 15: The way to actually think about how to make a

959
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 15: system work and maintain any sort of shred of freedom

960
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 15: is to actually understand that is actually what's happening.

961
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: So the basic message here is democracy is fake, so

962
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: just give up on letting people have a say and

963
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: embrace your billionaire overlords.

964
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: You can see how this.

965
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: Ideology also tied to the ideas of Nick Land and

966
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: Curtis Jarvin, the so called Dark Enlightenment or neo reactionary movements.

967
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: How this provides a very convenient philosophical backdrop for Elon

968
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: to execute on his own plans and personally selected goals

969
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: for humanity. Elon he wants total power, and this ideology

970
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 2: provides him a pathway to exactly that. I've been reading

971
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: Walter Isaacson's biography on Elon. One thing you really get

972
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: is how he has personally cast himself as the savior

973
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: of humanity launches SpaceX. That's a sort of insane boondoggle.

974
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 2: At the start, he believes he must personally guarantee humanity's

975
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: future as a multiplanetary species.

976
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: Never mind that none of us.

977
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: Voted for the CEO dictator king to destroy the lives

978
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: of working class people in order to chase his martian dream.

979
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: If Elon's multiplanetary goal takes shredding the Constitution, so be it.

980
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: If it takes sentencing kids with HIV in Africa to death,

981
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: so be it. If it takes hijacking the entire resources

982
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 2: of the United States government to funnel into SpaceX, so

983
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: be it. But in order for the public to just

984
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: sit back and watch their data and their tax dollars

985
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: and their voice in our government all plundered by the

986
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: richest man on Earth, some critical mass has to be

987
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 2: convinced that the government wasn't really worth saving anyway, that

988
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 2: their voice in our government and their rights that are

989
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: protected by that government were not really worth preserving after all,

990
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: that perhaps all those things were faked to begin with,

991
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: as Andresen wants them to believe. And the role of

992
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: this ideology of nihilism is to persuade Americans of exactly that.

993
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: And look, I actually understand some of the appeal. There's

994
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: a feel of honesty to this level of nihilism, to saying,

995
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: as Hayden Davis did, well, the insiders always come out

996
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: on top, so why not just celebrate it? Or democracy

997
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 2: never can be perfected, so let's just embrace our oligarchs.

998
00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: It's an appeal that has kind of always been at

999
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: the core of Trump. Helps to explain why, even though

1000
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: he lies more than probably any person I've ever known

1001
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: outside of Elon, why so many people continue to view

1002
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 2: him as an exceptionally honest politician. He doesn't bother to

1003
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: hide his schemes, doesn't bother to hide his crimes. He

1004
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: will just say we want Ukraine for the rare earths,

1005
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: rather than dressing it up in democracy language. He will

1006
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: just say we're going to permanently remove every Palestinian from Gaza,

1007
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 2: rather than pretending that some sovereign state for Palestinians is

1008
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 2: just around the corner. Rather than doing a little insider

1009
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: trading out allow on most of Congress, he will just

1010
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: launch his own shit coin to openly scan his own

1011
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 2: people to the tune of billions of dollars. Rather than

1012
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: spin the truth in a way that's shady but still

1013
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: has some connection to reality, He'll just make shit up

1014
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: out of thin air and really doesn't care if you

1015
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: know it that it's an out and out lie. This

1016
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: brazenness gives his lies somehow the vibe of honesty. Everything

1017
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: is bad, let's make it worse. Nihilism also provides another

1018
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 2: kind of psychological reward, because it prizes a total lack

1019
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: of self restraint. If big banks are reading the system,

1020
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 2: why should he Aiden Davis restrain himself from running mass gams.

1021
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: If politicians spin an office skate, why shouldn't you lie

1022
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: and cheat to get ahead? And what fun really ultimately

1023
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: is self restraint feels good to let loose, say and

1024
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: do whatever you want to do.

1025
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 3: That removal of.

1026
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: The burden of self restraint was experienced as a sort

1027
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: of liberation for plenty after Trump won. In the immediate

1028
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: aftermath of Trump's victory, a top banker delightedly told the

1029
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: Financial Times how happy he was that he could use

1030
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: slurs in the workplace again.

1031
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 3: Quote.

1032
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: I feel liberated when top banker told the paper, we

1033
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: can say that our word and the P word without

1034
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 2: the fear of getting canceled. Except he actually said them.

1035
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: It's a new dawn. In fact, the most celebrated quality

1036
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: in Trump world is shamelessness. The more you're willing to

1037
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: openly contradict previously held beliefs, operate with total and complete hypocrisy,

1038
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: the more successful you're going to be, The more you

1039
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: can turn off your feelings of empathy concern for others,

1040
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 2: the more based you are, so you can, as Elon

1041
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 2: has brand yourself is the ultimate guaranteur of free speech.

1042
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: In one breath and in the very next call for

1043
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 2: journal at a troublesome media outlet to be jailed. You can,

1044
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: as Trump did, position yourself as the Party of Workers,

1045
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: as you gut every aspect of worker rights. You can,

1046
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: as RFK Junior did, claim you're on a mission to

1047
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: make America health again and then say absolutely nothing as

1048
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: a seed oil lobbyist is installed at the USDA, and

1049
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: life saving disease research is gutted. You can compile an

1050
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 2: ASMR video of migrants being deported, so your most drained

1051
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 2: supporters can be stimulated by the visuals of human beings

1052
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: treated as animals.

1053
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 3: So based Elon.

1054
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: Replied, these lies, cruelties, and hypocrisy, they all trigger outrage,

1055
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: and outrage generation is the most valuable currency in Trump world.

1056
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 2: Those with the shamelessness to trigger the most of it

1057
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: rise the highest. But at the core of all of

1058
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: this is that ethos that since the institutions let you down,

1059
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 2: you may as well have a bacchan al burning it

1060
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: all to the ground, letting your own worst impulses and

1061
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 2: those of the society and human nature itself run wild.

1062
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: It's what about isn't brought to its logical conclusion? Since

1063
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 2: Hillary sent emails on a private server, how can anyone

1064
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: complain about Elon and his hackers downloading all the data

1065
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: of the entire federal government. Since the insiders always come

1066
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 2: out on top, why not just give the insiders everything

1067
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: upfront to begin with, Since the voices of the masses

1068
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: were being drown out by the wealthy, just hand over

1069
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: all the keys to the wealthiest person on the entire planet.

1070
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: To borrow Coffee Zilla's analogy here, their answer to the

1071
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: brakes failing is to rip the braks down entirely and

1072
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: send the car careening towards a cliff.

1073
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 3: Listen.

1074
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: It's a fun and easy solution, right up until the crash.

1075
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: Much harder, of course, is the work of building up institutions,

1076
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: making them strong, making them credible. Much harder is checking

1077
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: the rich and the powerful, bringing back a balance of

1078
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: power to working people. Much harder is checking imperial power

1079
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 2: and restoring as semblance of global cooperation and respect. But

1080
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: to use an Elon phrase here, society is that a

1081
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: fork in the road. On one path lies a rebuilt

1082
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 2: new deals with capital check to government unafraid of standing

1083
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: up to the wealthy social contract that provides stability prosperity

1084
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: for everyone. On the other path lies the societal equivalent

1085
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 2: of a crypto pump and dump scheme. For a brief moment,

1086
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 2: you might actually feel like you're winning, right before the

1087
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: rug is pulled and insiders like Elon and Dreson, Peter Tiel,

1088
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: the Trump's the rest of the billionaire and class rob

1089
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 2: you blind. To be honest, we might already be set

1090
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 2: irrevocably on.

1091
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: That bump and dump path.

1092
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: But it is our responsibility to our loved ones, our kids'

1093
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: future generations, to never stop fighting and to never stop

1094
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: believing fundamentally that humans are capable of more than just

1095
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 2: burning it all down. And Ryan, I was curious in

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Speaker 2: particular your thoughts on that, and if.

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Speaker 1: You want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become

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Speaker 2: Been fun chatting with you today, use as always, was

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Speaker 2: a grim takeover this week.

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Speaker 3: I was saying, that's.

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Speaker 7: Right, yes, right, and hopefully Sager's back next week.

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Speaker 6: That this like we were saying this fluid this.

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Speaker 2: Season has been brutal, and I was reading, I should

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Speaker 2: get the flu shot. But I was looking at it

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Speaker 2: and it's apparently not that great a match either for

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Speaker 2: the like some years, I know, I didn't tell you

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Speaker 2: why you were getting it, but apparently some years it's

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Speaker 2: like a really good match. It provides a lot of

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Speaker 2: like you know, preventative and lessons that whatever lessonsvill it

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Speaker 2: is a lot more.

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Speaker 3: And this year it's like not.

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Speaker 6: It's a bit of a crap, It's a bit of

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Speaker 6: a crap. Shoot. Yeah, they do their best. Then they

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Speaker 6: try to see, like what was last year? How do

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Speaker 6: we well?

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Speaker 2: And I guess maybe that's one of the things the

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Speaker 2: potential promises of the like mRNA vaccine is because they

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Speaker 2: can develop it more quickly, maybe they can make it

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Speaker 2: a better match. But in any case, we hope Soger

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Speaker 2: feels better. We hope you guys have a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: If there's breaking news, we'll make sure to jump on

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Speaker 2: and cover it for you.

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Speaker 6: You're going to be here tomorrow, what do you think?

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Speaker 6: Not here, but uh, we'll chat.

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Speaker 2: We'll chat the Yeah, we're a little short handed this week,

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Speaker 2: so we'll try to do a thing tomorrow. We've got

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Speaker 2: to see if we get the resources, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: So any case, if we don't see you tomorrow and

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Speaker 2: enjoy your weekend, we'll see you back here on Monday.

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