1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: are joined by Parisa Shifta. You may remember her as 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: the cat Lady of this season. She also she talked 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: about going home to her cat. She said it, I didn't. 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: She also made a PowerPoint presentation showing Grant the life 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 2: that they would live together if they were to get engaged. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the pod. Parisa. 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 4: Hello, thank you for having me. And don't forget about 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 4: my rock collection too. 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: Oh the rock collection. 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 5: That's right, all right, all right, this is great. I'm 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 5: glad you said that. Let's start that out with this. 15 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 5: You knew you were going to bring some shock waves 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 5: with talking about a cat and your rock collection, right, 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 5: like this was going to be like something that people 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 5: spoke about afterwards. 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: I didn't think so much about my cat, Sonny, because 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 4: I feel like every year there's always someone who talks 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 4: about their pet can. 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, which is why I said, you're this year's catie. 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, this year's But I don't recall there ever being 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 4: someone even like a guy. I don't recall anyone ever 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: having a rock collection or talking about the fact they 26 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 4: have a rock collection. 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 5: No, so why did you decide. 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: To I don't know. 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 4: I spoke a lot about because you know, not everything 30 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 4: gets shown, But I spoke a lot about just my 31 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 4: interest in general and rocks. That just happened to be 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: something that came up a lot because we were talking 33 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 4: about traveling, and like that is something that's huge with me. 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: When I travel, I love to like look up and 35 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 4: see what types of rocks and minerals crystals are like 36 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 4: really abundant in that country and or even like a state, 37 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 4: and then I that's like my souvenir that I go 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: and look for and I'll bring back from that country. 39 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 4: So yeah, and I just I think they're just fun 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 4: and it's that's different. And yeah, so I just talked about. 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 6: That a lot. 42 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: What else did you talk about that didn't make air 43 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: any any conversation that stood out to you like five 44 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: months removed? 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess a lot also about nature, animals and 46 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 4: sex lizards. I told Grant, like during our time, our 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: downtime at the mansion, there was just so many lizards, 48 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 4: so it would be so fun just like kind of 49 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 4: like walking around the perimeter and just like looking for 50 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 4: just trying to, like, I don't know, catch some lizards. 51 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 4: And there were a couple of girls that were down 52 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 4: to catch lizards with me. It's Chloe and Natalie, So 53 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 4: I knew I could always count on them. 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 6: To like go in a nice little walk. 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 4: But yeah, we talked about that and he said he 56 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: was like, oh, that's cool, Like I used to catch 57 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 4: lizards when I was younger, and so we talked about that. 58 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 5: Okay, so so far we've established that you were open 59 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 5: with Grant about your interests. Yeah, we love your cat, Sonny. 60 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 5: We're big fans of rock collections. I have one. I 61 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 5: actually have a rock tumbler. 62 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 6: Oh does it work? 63 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 5: It still works? Oh yeah, big tumble. 64 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: No way, you have a tumbler dedicated to rocks. 65 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 5: Yeah. It makes them real shiny and smooth and you 66 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 5: can see what's on the inside. 67 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 3: It's nice a tumbler. 68 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: Oh, it's a water bottles like. 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: You can put in like the polish and then all 70 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 4: the raw rocks and it just like tumbles them and 71 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 4: it polishes them so it's smooth them out. 72 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: Oh okay, So I just want to let you know 73 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: what I thought when you said that. I thought that 74 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: you had like a tumbler, like a website where you 75 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: put all the pictures. 76 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, like after ten years or nine years of 77 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 5: doing this whatever you say, we've done it for you 78 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 5: just are now finding out that I blog about rocks exactly. 79 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 5: That's cool. And then you're into lizards. Okay, this isn't 80 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 5: exactly and I think it's very I think it's awesome. 81 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 5: What I love about the show is all the unique 82 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 5: stories that come out of this. But it's not exactly 83 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 5: how you lead off. Most people would lead off on dating, like, 84 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 5: it's not exactly what you reveal on the first couple 85 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 5: of dates. So what kind of guy are you looking 86 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 5: for now? 87 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 6: Uh? 88 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 5: Like, would he have to have these similar interests? Do 89 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 5: you want to teach him about these things? Are you 90 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 5: hoping to teach Grant about these things and hoping he 91 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 5: would at least find an interest enough to chase lizards 92 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 5: around the yard with you? 93 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's more like the guy that I'm 94 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 4: looking for, he obviously doesn't need a rock collection or 95 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: you know, any of that. It's more of just someone 96 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: who's down for new experiences and down for adventure, because 97 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 4: that's how I am too, you know, anytime again, like 98 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 4: planning trips. I just love to be spontaneous and I 99 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: love new experiences. It's sometimes it's fun to not plan, 100 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: you know, your full day when you're on vacation because 101 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: you just kind of see what you want to see 102 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: where you know, life takes you, you know, in a 103 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: new environment. So just someone who's just down for new 104 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,239 Speaker 4: experiences and who can easily adapt. 105 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you truly think that he was it like 106 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: he could have done that with you? 107 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 4: He Actually, he seems pretty adventurous and he's he's just very. 108 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 6: Open to new things. 109 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 4: Then he like when we would have conversations about traveling, 110 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: like we talked about going on a safari that's high 111 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 4: on his list right now with travel and I was like, oh, wow, 112 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 4: like that's incredible because I mean that's like not the 113 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 4: most fabulous vacation going, you know, to a safari with 114 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: all these bugs and dangerous animals that you know could 115 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 4: attack you at any second. 116 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 6: So yeah, I mean he really does seem like that type. 117 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 5: Well I appreciate about you is your interest in things 118 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 5: that not everybody else is interested in. I think that 119 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 5: is I could ask you a thousand questions about how 120 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 5: you got into it and why you do it. But 121 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 5: I think it's very very cool, and I think it's 122 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 5: something that somebody someday is going to say, Hey, let 123 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 5: me join in on this. It's a great quality, is 124 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 5: my point here. Speaking of great qualities, though, we do 125 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 5: have to dig into Grant a little bit, and so 126 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 5: here it's almost famous podcast. We love the franchise. We 127 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 5: feel like we haven't gotten to know Grant at all 128 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 5: watching this season. We feel like there's something missing, that 129 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 5: his whole story isn't either being told or he's not 130 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 5: communicating it effectively. So we're hoping you can fill some 131 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 5: gaps for us from your experience with Grant and the 132 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 5: time that you were there and the conversations that you had. 133 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 5: What do you know about Grant that maybe the audience 134 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 5: isn't seeing good and bad? Just help us make sense 135 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 5: of him as a human. 136 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 4: Yes, good question, And you think, because I want to 137 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: give you a really good. 138 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 5: Answer comes to mind, Like your first thoughts when you 139 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 5: think of Grant ellis you're with him, You're on a season. 140 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 5: And here's here's my first response to your hesitation. It's concerned. 141 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 5: It's well, you should know this, like you just got 142 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 5: off of a show with him where he was the 143 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 5: lead of your season, you should be able to be like, hey, 144 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 5: this is what I know about Grant. Instead, you had 145 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 5: a little hesitancy. So I want to know if that's 146 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 5: coming from your like you having a hard time answering 147 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 5: it where you're like, I don't really know how to 148 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 5: answer that, or are you just wanting to phrase it perfectly? 149 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to phrase it perfectly. It seems like 150 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 4: he genuinely was looking for you know. Yes, he kept 151 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 4: saying a wife, but that was more defined as like 152 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: a best friend, you know, you know, and he would 153 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 4: ask all the girls about all about themselves, like what 154 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: do you like to do? You know, where do you 155 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 4: want to travel? Just to find those common similarities as 156 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: well as, you know, learning more about them and their 157 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 4: background and where they come from. But I feel like 158 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: he wanted to find someone that he really connected with, 159 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: had both that emotional connection, physical connection, just his best 160 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 4: friend that he can you know, do life with and such. 161 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of the conversations were always 162 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 4: around that of like where can we be in the 163 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 4: future together? 164 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 6: Like how do how do you see the future with me? 165 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 6: How do I see the future with you? So kind 166 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 6: of I feel like that's what he was looking for. 167 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 5: Okay, that's great, that's on this show. But do you 168 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 5: feel like you got to know him through this problems? 169 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 6: Oh no, and he didn't really get to know me. 170 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, we're down to Latia and Juliana. Now, did 171 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: there those girls stand out to you as being the 172 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: front runner that he was? He always looking at them 173 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: when you guys were in a group setting. 174 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not surprised that it's both of them, you know. 175 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 6: I it's obvious. 176 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 4: We see like every episode Lati is always called first, 177 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 4: you know, in the rose ceremonies, and. 178 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 6: With Juliana as well. You know, it's funny. 179 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 4: I would always tell the girls anytime, like I would 180 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: kind of sneak up around the corners sometimes and like 181 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 4: just like kind of watch if like a girl whoever 182 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 4: is with Grant, because I just love to just watch. 183 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 4: I love to watch how the girl's looking at him 184 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 4: and how Grant's looking at the girl, and I just 185 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: I don't know then I like kind of you know, 186 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 4: like you just piece things together. 187 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 6: So that was something I would do. And I remember. 188 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 4: In Madrid, I like sneaked up on Juliana and Grant 189 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: and then I told Juliana. I was like, oh, like 190 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 4: that looked really good. And I just I don't know. 191 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 4: I see things and you can just I don't know. 192 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 4: I'm not I guess I can just say I'm not 193 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: surprised with the final two. 194 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 5: It's always fun to have an upfront seat at during 195 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 5: the show. Jared Ashley's husband and myself used to watch 196 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 5: often and be like, this is crazy. Nobody's gonna believe 197 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 5: this is happening, and we're sitting here watching it. Yeah, 198 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 5: it is fun. So now that you watch during the 199 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 5: season and now you're watching it back, what has kind 200 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 5: of been your response as you see it on TV, 201 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 5: especially the weeks you aren't there, Is there anything shocking 202 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 5: to you? 203 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, because even during my time there and then watching 204 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: those episodes, we never none of us knew what was 205 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: going on behind closed doors when you were having the 206 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 4: private one on one conversation with Grant, So that was 207 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: always always interesting to watch. It'd be like, oh, like, 208 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 4: that's what they were talking about, or that's what that was. 209 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 4: And yeah, now too with not being on any Yeah, 210 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: I I a lot of it. 211 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 6: It's I guess it's it's. 212 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: Interesting to see now, like their relationships, how far they 213 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 4: have come since my time there. 214 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: Now, you guys don't have a bachelorette? Do you were 215 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: when you found out that news that there was no bachelorette? 216 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: Was there like an explosion in the group chat where 217 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: you guys were like, uh so sucks for us. 218 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, we were shocked, and I guess everyone was more 219 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 4: like concerned, like why why isn't there going to be 220 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: a bachelorette? But yeah, that that was news. 221 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 5: It's interesting you're bummed, Like everybody's pretty upset. 222 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 4: I wouldn't say upset, maybe a little bummed. 223 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of it's I mean, I had a 224 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 5: different scenario, I guess, but I think I would have 225 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 5: enjoyed seeing somebody from my season like become the Bachelor 226 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 5: if it wasn't me, Like it's fun to watch that 227 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 5: play out, like, oh, I know that person and I'm 228 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 5: rooting for that person, and yeah, it's kind of that 229 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 5: way with me in Paradise. I've always enjoyed watching people 230 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 5: I know go on Paradise and seeing their stories play out, 231 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 5: which brings us to Paradise because Paradise is still existing 232 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 5: as far as we know at this point, would you 233 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 5: go on Paradise. Does that feel like someplace that you 234 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 5: could find somebody? Have they called you? 235 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 4: If the opportunity comes up, Yes, it would be really nice. 236 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: I feel like there is a higher success rate with 237 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 4: couples coming from Paradise. And I mean, as you guys, 238 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: but now, and I mean that's very that's inspiring, and 239 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 4: I definitely am I am looking. I mean, I was 240 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 4: trying to find the best way to word it. I'm 241 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 4: not getting any younger, and I have been looking for 242 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 4: a while for like my best friend and you know, 243 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 4: someone that I can stay young with. And so if 244 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: that opportunity comes up, I feel like that would be 245 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 4: like I think it would. I would be very appreciative 246 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 4: of it, and it would be a blessing because like 247 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: looking at the setup of Paradise, I like the fact 248 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 4: that you are taken away from like your everyday life, 249 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 4: no distractions, and you're just thrown on this island, you know, 250 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 4: girls and guys, and then it's just like okay, let's 251 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 4: just see what happens. And it's nice not having like 252 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 4: social media as a distraction work just like the every day, 253 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 4: every day the troubles, there's nothing coming in and distracting 254 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 4: it's just you and that other person and the time 255 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 4: to develop a connection, And I mean, you don't really 256 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 4: get that here. 257 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 6: I mean that's not really interesting. 258 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: Have you been a fan of the show. Do you 259 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: have any guys that you would like to put on 260 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: your list for the producers to bring on down to 261 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: Paradise for you? 262 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was thinking about it, but then I feel like, too, 263 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 4: I have a thing like, I don't know, I feel 264 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: like just looking back with dating, I can I can 265 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 4: tell you like five different times I've gone to my 266 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 4: girlfriend's and I was like, Oh, I think. 267 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 6: This guy's cute, or oh I kind of want to 268 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 6: pursue this guy, and. 269 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: Once I speak it out into the universe, I just 270 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 4: jinx myself or something happens and it's just like, oh, okay. 271 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 3: So you don't want to say names? Yeah, no, come on, 272 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: give us a name. 273 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 5: Just one name. This is a good place to do it, 274 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: because we just had Mercedes came on and just threw 275 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 5: it out there and he hit her up afterwards. 276 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 6: Like that's so scary to think about. 277 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 5: No, you're going on a dating show. This is the 278 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 5: easiest part. They're not even here. So one name of 279 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 5: somebody from the franchise that sit out to. He doesn't 280 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 5: mean you gotta it's got to be the guy, but 281 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 5: it does mean that you'd say you're looking pretty good 282 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 5: on the beach. 283 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, that I will say a name. But I 284 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: also want to throw out there that I really don't 285 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: know much about this guy, his personality, you know, his 286 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 4: dating history. So all I know is what I've just 287 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: seen on Instagram. 288 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me guess it's Greg Oh no, oh yeah, 289 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: who Blake Blake minds okay. 290 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, just very adventurous and you know, love to travel. 291 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 6: I feel like we would get along very well. But again, 292 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 6: I don't know, you know, his personality. 293 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 5: And it would be wild if he came back. Now 294 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 5: I'm not saying it won't happen. It very easily could happen. 295 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 5: He would be competing with Chrisky Bukowski as the most 296 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 5: appearances on any season ever. 297 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: He would he would? 298 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 5: I mean he has a longevience. 299 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: No, no, you would have three, so he'd be tied 300 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: with Nick and me. 301 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 5: He's only done Paradise once. 302 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 4: Actually yeah, oh, he was only a Paradise ones. 303 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So as we kind of wrap up, you're 304 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 5: interested in Paradise. Let's make sure everybody hears that. Who's listening. 305 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 5: The producers of the show are going to be listening. 306 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 5: You're interested in Paradise, you'd be open to relationship in Paradise, 307 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 5: and you're willing to throw names out there of people 308 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 5: you would want to see in Paradise. That's a great start. 309 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 5: You're doing great. That's awesome. As we close up, I 310 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 5: want to go back then to Grant season. Okay, viewers 311 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 5: I think have had a mixed relationship with this season. 312 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 5: I think it's gone where viewers have really wanted to 313 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 5: root for the season and then kind of they've they've 314 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 5: been lost, and now they're kind of going to come back, 315 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 5: I believe for the final episode. It's always a big episode. 316 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 5: If you were to give a sales pitch on why 317 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 5: viewers should tune in, knowing Grant and knowing the two 318 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 5: women left, what would be your sales pitch to them, like, 319 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 5: how do we get viewers to tune into this episode? 320 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 5: Why should they and why should they be rooting for 321 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 5: Grant and whoever he picks at the end. 322 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 6: Not a great question, or. 323 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 5: Your answer could be I don't think they should and 324 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 5: that's fine too. 325 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 4: Oh no, no, I like this stuff. But see I 326 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 4: don't have a background in sale, so like that thought 327 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 4: processing skill is very slow. 328 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 6: Okay when you think about. 329 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 2: It, well, I will have another question that could be 330 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: perhaps you don't need the sales degree for I'm thinking 331 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: that I would love to know your opinion on if 332 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 2: Grant should have picked someone. If in the end and 333 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: he was as torn as he is to the point 334 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: in which there are rumors that he might flip a 335 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: coin to decide. 336 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 6: I know, so I guess with that. 337 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 4: I like to be very specific with words and like 338 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: emotions and everything, so like feeling torn, I feel like 339 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 4: that word it can mean so many different things, Like 340 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 4: I feel like immediately when someone hears the word torn 341 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 4: in the situation, they're like, he just doesn't know who 342 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 4: he wants to pick. 343 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 6: It's like fifty to fifty. 344 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 4: But I feel like it could mean so many other things, 345 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 4: Like it could mean I don't know. It can mean 346 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 4: that he's he's scared, or it's. 347 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 6: Not I don't know. I don't know what I'm trying 348 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 6: to say. 349 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 5: But I feel like we mean it in the sense 350 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 5: of conflicted. I cannot decide between the two people in 351 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 5: love with both emotionally just torn, Yeah, because how do 352 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 5: you say goodbye to somebody that you love to say 353 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 5: hello to somebody else? 354 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 4: And I think looking back to it other seasons, I 355 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 4: mean it's with whoever is the bachelor, you do spend 356 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 4: so much time, like you know, with like the final two, 357 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 4: where of course it's I think it's easy to develop 358 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 4: such strong feelings for both of them, and now it's 359 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: getting hard. You know, you're coming down to the decision 360 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 4: of okay, like yes, I you know, could potentially see 361 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 4: myself with both of them, but now I need to 362 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: think like long term, you know, taking this relationship that 363 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: was that developed in a fixed environment. It's you get 364 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 4: torn to think, Okay, now I'm going to take it 365 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 4: out into the real world, like will this love in 366 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 4: the real world? 367 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 6: Will it make it? Like we'll make it, you know, 368 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 6: with our busy lifestyles. 369 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 4: And so I feel like it's just the back and 370 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 4: forth of like thinking, going through those thoughts. And it's 371 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: scary too, because what if sometimes I don't know, but 372 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 4: like has a bachelor have they ever thought like, Okay, 373 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 4: this is the girl that I want, But what if 374 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 4: she says no? 375 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 6: It's like it's that fear too. I feel like, yeah, it. 376 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 5: Goes through all all all of the leads thoughts at 377 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 5: some point. I don't think there's one lead that's like, yeah, 378 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 5: she's gonna say this, look at me. Well, I actually 379 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 5: I can't say that. There's probably been something that's like, 380 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 5: I I've got this thing shirt up. 381 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. 382 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it is, it's just 383 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 4: so tricky and like it's so hard to get into 384 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 4: someone's mind and really know everything and how they're feeling, 385 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 4: and all that you can do is just you know, 386 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: hope for the best for them, and hope that they 387 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: are you know, really happy, and you know. 388 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 6: And just you know, wish them the best. 389 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 5: Okay, Well, I got one final question for you. Okay, 390 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 5: you mentioned past seasons. So my assumption is that you've 391 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 5: been a fan of the show or you've watched past 392 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 5: seasons at some level. You've now a part of the 393 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:02,479 Speaker 5: Bachelor alum. It's on your resume. It is a degree 394 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 5: you have. So are you happy you did it? Did 395 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 5: it live up to all of your expectations and thoughts 396 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 5: outside of finding love? Was it everything you hoped it 397 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 5: would be? 398 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, it actually was. 399 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 4: It was a really great experience for me. It helped 400 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 4: me just become more comfortable with who I am. I 401 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 4: remember coming back home after filming and you know, like 402 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: you're back on your phone, back on social media, and 403 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 4: I remember going on my Instagram and I was like, wow, 404 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 4: this feels different my page because all the pictures posted 405 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 4: on my page there are pictures that I want to 406 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 4: post to show everyone of like who I am, and 407 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 4: like it was never the real me because I always 408 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: felt like before The Bachelor, I never actually told anyone 409 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 4: about my rock collection that I have an interest in nature, animals, 410 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 4: and sex all that. Like, no one, only my best 411 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: friends and my family knew that about me. And so 412 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 4: when I came back, I'm like, oh, I don't really 413 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 4: like that, Like I don't like how I you know, 414 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 4: wasn't showing who I was previously. Because my whole time 415 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 4: on the show and you know, with the girls, I 416 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: was so accepted and everyone was so nice and asking 417 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 4: me questions about my travels or just my experiences, asking 418 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 4: me about my rock collection all that stuff, and like 419 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 4: even you know, when I'm walking around like the MANSI 420 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 4: if I pick up a spider, any bugs, anything, I 421 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 4: would tell them like oh, here's. 422 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 6: The fun fact. 423 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 4: And there was even a snake that like came out 424 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 4: by the pool and I was inside and everyone's screaming 425 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 4: for me to come out. I'm like, oh my god, 426 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, don't touch it, I'm coming, and I ran 427 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: out and I wanted to pick it up, but then 428 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 4: I wasn't allowed to. 429 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 6: But it was just like things like that. 430 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: I'm like, it's just so nice, like feeling accepted, and 431 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 4: then it made me just so coomfortable. I'm like, you 432 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 4: know what, there's no point for me to like hide 433 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 4: these things and you know, not speak up about like 434 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 4: who I am in my intro. So I I think 435 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 4: like this experience really brought all that out of me. 436 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 4: And now I'm like more confident to be like, yeah, 437 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: I have rock collection, so what you. 438 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 5: Know, lean into it. I'm telling you, it's one of 439 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 5: the greatest things that happens from being on this show 440 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 5: is the revelation of what you've been hiding for so long, 441 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 5: and what you've been maybe ashamed of or not talking about, 442 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 5: or maybe not even knowing how to put words to it. 443 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 5: Lean in to this new level of confidence. I wasn't 444 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 5: kidding when I said I think it's very interesting. I 445 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 5: think it makes you you. 446 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: It is. 447 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 5: It is unique. It's unique, which is exactly what people 448 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 5: are attracted to, is uniqueness. And so lean into it 449 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 5: and have fun with this kind of new season of life. 450 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 5: I hope it brings you a ton of joy. I 451 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 5: hope we see you on the beach. 452 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 3: You're perfect for it. 453 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 2: I can see picking up all the reptiles and all 454 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: the crabs. 455 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 5: Everything Ashley complained about. You're gonna be like it. 456 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 3: It's gonna be like crabs in my bed. Heck, yeah, 457 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: I will. 458 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 4: I will help anyone who's scared. I will pick them up, 459 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: you know, gracefully and let them back, let. 460 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 6: Them go outside. 461 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be great. Hey, thanks for coming on 462 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 5: the podcast. We appreciate having you here. Again. For anybody listening, 463 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 5: tune in pay attention to who's the cast is gonna 464 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 5: be for Paradise. You've gotten to hear from a few 465 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 5: people that were rooting for in the last few weeks. 466 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 5: Uh is one of those that were thrown in that bucket. 467 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 5: So until next time, I've been Ben. 468 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: I've been Ashley. 469 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: See Hey, guys, follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost 470 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: Famous podcast on iHeartRadio, or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.