Speaker 1: Look mare, Oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, lost culture, dang dong lost
Speaker 1: culturesa's calling this. I just want to say before we
Speaker 1: start of launch into whatever this is gonna be. What's
Speaker 1: making me really happy is that we're watching our guests
Speaker 1: consume her first ever celsius on ice and a glass.
Speaker 1: And it's a color.
Speaker 2: It's a color that serendipitously matches her outfit and choose.
Speaker 2: And speaking of the word serendipitous, I've had this vocal
Speaker 2: stem for at least twelve years. I'm sorry. I don't
Speaker 2: want to go to serendipity and drink frozen hot chocolates
Speaker 2: with your uncle's girlfriend who is a stewardess named eld
Speaker 2: The build that is right there in one line a
Speaker 2: master you build? Oh, I've never forgotten that line of dialogue.
Speaker 2: I mean, among others, among the legion of other sequences
Speaker 2: of words on that show called Girls.
Speaker 1: But can I tell you another shorter one? Yes, I'd
Speaker 1: like sometimes the revity like will be what hits? What
Speaker 1: do I want to be? Like? You like? Mentally ill show?
Speaker 1: You're cruel, drunk, It's it's crazy and we really had
Speaker 1: to work with Alison to try to go back into
Speaker 1: the foul cabinets of her brain when she was on
Speaker 1: I think was that improvised line, it's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But then you read this wonderful book Fame Sick, and
Speaker 1: you get a glimpse into the creative process. Honestly, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, everyone out there, you need this book. You
Speaker 1: actually need to read it. It's required reading. Not that
Speaker 1: there's going to be a test, but like, consider yourself
Speaker 1: unprepared for the rest of sort of your life going
Speaker 1: forward if you don't go out and get it.
Speaker 2: It's not even there's no test involved. It's just a
Speaker 2: book where and I haven't had this in a while.
Speaker 2: It's one of.
Speaker 1: Those it's a nodder. You're nodding every page.
Speaker 2: You get to recognize this, yeah, you knowing me not
Speaker 2: at at a book like this, which I which felt
Speaker 2: really refreshing.
Speaker 1: I mean, just to say this is obviously a huge
Speaker 1: moment in the podcast. I mean, the creative of our
Speaker 1: favorite show, the creative of our favorite words. I mean,
Speaker 1: become a pal in a true love it first sight moment.
Speaker 1: Became a pal.
Speaker 2: We found love in an apple place. That's all we'll say.
Speaker 1: Let's just say I have one photo you know how,
Speaker 1: you know how like sometimes on your iPhone, like one photo,
Speaker 1: like there's that thing of like this day last year,
Speaker 1: or sometimes it's it's not even a year ago. It's
Speaker 1: just like your phone just decides pictures that it's gonna
Speaker 1: keep showing. Terrible are like our guest factors into oh
Speaker 1: that for me, because it's just I'll just randomly be
Speaker 1: flipping through and it's like, oh, there's a picture of
Speaker 1: me and bo oh, there's a picture of me and Greta,
Speaker 1: and then there's Leonadnoman and Tim Cook, just the two
Speaker 1: of them, a gorgeous couple. My nipples erect And we
Speaker 1: have to unpack this on the anniversary of Apple's fiftieth
Speaker 1: birthday and Apple did they? Okay, well we'll get into this. Everyone,
Speaker 1: please welcome. Today is the fiftieth anniversary of Apple Computer?
Speaker 3: Is it really?
Speaker 1: And we're here together. We're here together.
Speaker 3: Okay. So I don't know how much I can say
Speaker 3: before a drone strike happens right here, But firstly, I
Speaker 3: just want to say, it's an honor to be with you.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: I'm a huge fan, a huge consumer of your content.
Speaker 3: I love what you do. And when we had our
Speaker 3: love at first sight moment, you says about the podcast
Speaker 3: and I never do this, and I was like, which
Speaker 3: I'd love to be on.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, And that was See that's the kind of
Speaker 1: thing where it's like we earmarket immediately because I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: that's something that can happen.
Speaker 3: I was begging for it to. I was circling the building.
Speaker 3: But we spent two full and complete days together at
Speaker 3: the Apple iPhone launch, which I kept saying, we're here
Speaker 3: to understand the future. I didn't know what else to
Speaker 3: say or how to say.
Speaker 1: It was that just what you were saying as a
Speaker 1: line to the people that worked there, like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: here to understand the future.
Speaker 3: Well, I was saying to the people who worked there,
Speaker 3: and then I started to believe it. And then I
Speaker 3: started to say it to be like care about like you.
Speaker 3: But I was like, I don't want to be left behind.
Speaker 3: I was like, when the future comes, I want to
Speaker 3: be there when they're having us use the tools. I
Speaker 3: want to be the one running the tools. And everyone
Speaker 3: was like, okay, babe, come down, Like you're going to
Speaker 3: get a free iPhone, you can Breathe.
Speaker 1: Got a new lens.
Speaker 3: Yes, I saw you to walk in. There was a
Speaker 3: series of sort of public art arches, colorful arches, and
Speaker 3: I was standing there awkwardly, my heels digging into the
Speaker 3: sod and I saw you too, and I screamed a
Speaker 3: scream that was like pure pleasure. It was like if
Speaker 3: you were a wolf separated from your child in a
Speaker 3: Disney movie and then you encountered them in the forest
Speaker 3: after a full story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I will say. I was like how I
Speaker 1: said to Belle And I was like, how gagged would
Speaker 1: you be if just to go back to like twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen and be like, one day we're going to see
Speaker 1: Leana Dunnoman event and be like thank god, oh my god.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't believe I was just sitting here in
Speaker 3: such pleasure because you're better at being Alison in me
Speaker 3: than Alison and me.
Speaker 1: Oh god.
Speaker 3: But I will tell you I don't remember much, but
Speaker 3: I do know that I don't want to drink frozen
Speaker 3: hot chocolate at Serendipity with your uncle's girlfriend who's a
Speaker 3: stewardess named Elidi was an improv Yeah, are you serious? Sometimes, Stuart,
Speaker 3: do you catch lightning in a bottle sometimes. I remember
Speaker 3: it was we were really jacked up. It was the
Speaker 3: middle of the night. We weren't drinking Celsius but something equivalent,
Speaker 3: and it just happened.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna butcher this because in that same line of
Speaker 1: in that same block of script, you also say, and
Speaker 1: mind you you're you're coked up, your characters, your hand
Speaker 1: is coked up, and you look at me with your
Speaker 1: eyes and you lied to me with your eyes what
Speaker 1: you said by not saying anything at all like it
Speaker 1: was it's just that's and that's of course that's all improvised.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but that's just that's just your brain.
Speaker 3: Well, that's so. We also snorted a lot of lactose powder. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was wondering, and you can't know what that does,
Speaker 3: Like Andrew and I recently talked about it. We storted milk, Yeah,
Speaker 3: tons of milk off a toilet that day and what
Speaker 3: came later just had to be a sinus infection had
Speaker 3: we I know, we didn't feel good. We were also
Speaker 3: dan We were dancing in a club at We arrived
Speaker 3: at five in the morning, so by the time we
Speaker 3: were sweaty, coked up and dancing, it was seven thirty am. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so like this night live scene was actually us jacked
Speaker 3: up on lactose powder. Sure, seven thirty am. And what
Speaker 3: happens happen is improving our face, little face. What is
Speaker 3: it that you do on RuPauls drag Race?
Speaker 1: You did whatever?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That also broke open crop mesh. I think for a
Speaker 1: new generation.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I remember when the shirt came out.
Speaker 3: We had an amazing costume designer, Yeah, Jen, and she
Speaker 3: brought the shirt out and was like, we could do
Speaker 3: a bra with it, we could take I was like,
Speaker 3: we're not doing anything with it.
Speaker 1: No, this is tits underneath.
Speaker 3: This is tits under This is my tits or my accessory.
Speaker 3: And also, you don't know in your twenties how much
Speaker 3: they're going to change. You don't know, Yeah, your tits.
Speaker 3: And I was thinking about this recently because I have
Speaker 3: a pal who lives with me who's in her twenties
Speaker 3: and they're just up like champagne flutes. And I just
Speaker 3: looked and I was like, take advantage, take photos, be topless.
Speaker 1: When you're doing a TV show and they asked you
Speaker 1: if you want to broad underneath your.
Speaker 3: Mesh, say no, because someday you're going to be wearing
Speaker 3: three T shirts and a sweater just to hold it back,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So on this topic, do you want to unpack the
Speaker 2: reason why your nipples went erect next to Tim Cook?
Speaker 3: It was crazy.
Speaker 1: It's okay if it's attraction.
Speaker 3: It was definitely like, he's got what do we call it, swag,
Speaker 3: he's got riz whatever is going on, whatever that thing
Speaker 3: is gonna be next week. But I also think like
Speaker 3: the panic of you have two minutes with which to
Speaker 3: properly engage with this person. I mean, I kept saying
Speaker 3: things like I love your products. I was saying things
Speaker 3: that I'd never imagine come out of my mouth. And
Speaker 3: then I looked down and like, for the first time
Speaker 3: in fifteen years, my nipples were standing at attention. And
Speaker 3: I looked at the photo and it truly looks like
Speaker 3: one of those pictures you see of like a married
Speaker 3: couple that has moved to a vacation destination.
Speaker 1: To be on my phone. This is a picture that
Speaker 1: I treasure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we look like and I remember coming up to
Speaker 3: it and being like, I just took the picture with him.
Speaker 3: My nipples popped out and popped right back in. Don't
Speaker 3: know why don't know how portrait mode. He's got searing eye.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is something.
Speaker 3: I happened, like you incredibly blue searing eyes.
Speaker 1: That's so about a few months later. Yeah, I actually
Speaker 1: was at the same restaurant as him when I was
Speaker 1: in DC. Remember this, Melissa. We Melissa came and sang
Speaker 1: back up for me on my tour. We're at a
Speaker 1: restaurant and then Melissa for your service. Everyone goes and
Speaker 1: and Melissa knew that I had met him at that event.
Speaker 1: So the waiter comes over to our table and goes,
Speaker 1: I do have to ask you guys, if you're finished,
Speaker 1: If you don't mind, I never do this. It's just
Speaker 1: that Tim Cook has your table after you and we
Speaker 1: go what And I was like, not sure they were
Speaker 1: supposed to do that anyway. I'm like, yes, we'll go,
Speaker 1: we'll go, We'll go. And then someone goes, are you
Speaker 1: going to say hi on the way out? I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I am not. And then they go, well, why not,
Speaker 1: I mean you've met the guy once. I was like,
Speaker 1: I am not saying hello to Tim Cook on the
Speaker 1: way out of here. I was like I don't want.
Speaker 3: Tim and being like we met for two minutes in
Speaker 3: a picture line.
Speaker 1: You remember, everyone I was with was like expecting it
Speaker 1: to happen, and so they described me running by him
Speaker 1: like he was standing at the bar. I got on
Speaker 1: the ground and basically used all my paths of all
Speaker 1: my feet and hands to like crawl out, and they
Speaker 1: were like, what you just did to not say hi
Speaker 1: to him is the craziest thing we've ever seen.
Speaker 3: What's crazy is if I saw him in the wild,
Speaker 3: I would never recognize him again. In my brain he
Speaker 3: looks like Steve Jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're like, it can't be.
Speaker 3: It can't be. But also his face, which was so
Speaker 3: clear to me in that moment, like we'd been waiting
Speaker 3: for each other our whole lives and gone disappeared into
Speaker 3: a puff of smoke.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because we were there together and we
Speaker 3: didn't totally know. I mean, everyone was being really nice,
Speaker 3: but we didn't totally know what our job was. What
Speaker 3: are we here for? What do you want from us?
Speaker 3: I like clear instructions.
Speaker 2: It felt like the beginning of the Westing Game or
Speaker 2: like an Agatha Christie the Westing Game.
Speaker 3: Well, I love the Westing Game too, And you kind
Speaker 3: of just shove something through me.
Speaker 1: I saw our project Wheel do together.
Speaker 3: Did they ever make a movie of the West?
Speaker 1: I'm sure I looked this up. I think they did
Speaker 1: beca Can you look up if they did The Western Game?
Speaker 1: Maybe in the eighties early nineties for television.
Speaker 3: Books that are like part of a genre of like
Speaker 3: mysteries for children, like suspense for children. There was one
Speaker 3: that I loved. I don't know if you ever called
Speaker 3: the Wolves of Willoughby Chase, No anything. It was. It
Speaker 3: was like about a girl. I loved books about like
Speaker 3: a girl who is an orphan and she moves to
Speaker 3: a house and something's not quite right. Yeah, and she
Speaker 3: gets out her little book and pencil. That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: And I wanted to be that child. And the Westing Game?
Speaker 3: And also did you like The Giver?
Speaker 1: Of course the Giver wasn't Taylor Swift in The Giver? Giver, Yiver?
Speaker 3: She played an important memory. In The Giver, she.
Speaker 1: Played an important memory and remember his child. It was
Speaker 1: an important memory in all of our lives.
Speaker 3: Of course, I think about the Giver because she's a brunette.
Speaker 3: In The Giver she is.
Speaker 1: But that's what you think about it, That's what.
Speaker 3: I think about it. Is because she was a brunette
Speaker 3: with bang yes and I loved it.
Speaker 1: Every time that doesn't get spoken of her Giver era,
Speaker 1: it's real culture number thirteen. No one talks about Taylor's
Speaker 1: Giver era was so amazing fast.
Speaker 3: It's amazing to be on something that you're a fan
Speaker 3: of because I'm watching this thing I love, but I'm here.
Speaker 1: Well just to speak on that. It's funny like because
Speaker 1: everyone did the girls rewatch moment and that that had
Speaker 1: to feel like which is ongoing. I feel, yeah, well
Speaker 1: it's it. Definitely it started. I would have say, like
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, it started to really catch fire, like
Speaker 1: we're all rewatching this. But I wonder how it feels
Speaker 1: to know that, Like at the time everyone was like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand how someone can be in it and
Speaker 1: capture it. But as a time capsule it may be
Speaker 1: growing into its purpose even more as a time capsule
Speaker 1: of that era.
Speaker 3: That is for me the greatest thing because if we
Speaker 3: think about it, like I remember jud appata One was
Speaker 3: saying to me, you never really we think the most
Speaker 3: important moment of anything's life is when it comes out
Speaker 3: and the internet's responding people, But actually you don't know
Speaker 3: the role that anything plays until it's been.
Speaker 1: In the world for a long time, right.
Speaker 3: Like we all now recognize that My so called Life
Speaker 3: is the greatest teen show of all time. It was
Speaker 3: canceled after one season. My best friend Matt Wolf did
Speaker 3: put together a petition which was signed by over ten
Speaker 3: thousand people that to try to get it back on
Speaker 3: the air, but shockingly was it. ABC didn't didn't listen
Speaker 3: to a fifteen year old head of his gay straight
Speaker 3: alliance in San Jose.
Speaker 1: Big problem, and.
Speaker 3: That's a big problem with television because that's who we
Speaker 3: need to be serving.
Speaker 1: And we would have had more than one season and
Speaker 1: freaking gigs then too.
Speaker 3: Of course we would have had more than one season.
Speaker 3: Have been lightened, we would have, But we can't have
Speaker 3: nice things.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing we were just talking. People are so
Speaker 1: so much smarter than they are when they're like, Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm promoting a movie and I'm behind it. It's like
Speaker 1: they walk off camera and they're like, I don't know about.
Speaker 3: This, yeah, And then they even if it's a hit,
Speaker 3: sometimes they don't know about it. Because some things that
Speaker 3: hit with culture are actually hitting on like the worst
Speaker 3: parts of us, right, and some things, and we now
Speaker 3: know that lots of brilliant actors have had to do
Speaker 3: things that they So it's just an interesting thing to think, like,
Speaker 3: there are things that hit and you go, everyone's talking
Speaker 3: about it, but what will be happening in five, ten, fifteen,
Speaker 3: twenty years. And when we were making Girls, there were
Speaker 3: so much sort of feedback, probably more we had more
Speaker 3: people reviewing it than watched it, honestly, and I.
Speaker 1: Believe this and I have discussion. It was something that
Speaker 1: was paramount exactly.
Speaker 3: And then it's really nice when something's out of its
Speaker 3: discussion phase and now people are just maybe getting to
Speaker 3: like watch it in a cozy context, and also they
Speaker 3: don't have to be reacting to the reaction to the
Speaker 3: reaction or thinking does this define what it feels like
Speaker 3: for me to be twenty four? Does this feel like
Speaker 3: it reflects? But actually can just engage with it as
Speaker 3: what it was. There's some TikTok sound where the girl's like,
Speaker 3: she's like, I don't know, I'm just being goofy, and
Speaker 3: sometimes they feel about the time, I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 3: being goofy. Yeah, And when there's that much discussion, you're like,
Speaker 3: and now I think people can maybe go like they
Speaker 3: were just being goofy, and actually that's more meaningful in
Speaker 3: a way.
Speaker 2: Oh good, because but I think what what Matt's saying
Speaker 2: is like you captured it while you were in it,
Speaker 2: and I think it's kind of not even kind of
Speaker 2: it's completely remarkable that you were able to maintain that
Speaker 2: sort of valence throughout despite the discourtillan you just whatever, probably.
Speaker 1: He'll always use valance and like that beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.
Speaker 2: But like the fact that you maintained this throughout. And
Speaker 2: I was even lapping in the book where you were
Speaker 2: like talking about the last season, you were writing scenes
Speaker 2: that made no sense, like you know, Shoshana goes to.
Speaker 3: Goes to a newdist camp because a show is so hard,
Speaker 3: and you're like, I'm going to really shock them, and
Speaker 3: then you're like, this isn't chocking. Shoshana wandered down the
Speaker 3: road to a nudist camp. Feelso true, Rember. There was
Speaker 3: a lot of I always knew where I wanted the
Speaker 3: show to end from the beginning, which is I wanted
Speaker 3: to have a baby latching, but I was like, how
Speaker 3: do we get there? And what does that look like?
Speaker 3: And there was definitely some crawling around in the mud
Speaker 3: to arrive at that. I mean, I remember, just like
Speaker 3: it was like a maniacal detective. I had like one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty you know, index cards that I was spread.
Speaker 3: I have these pictures of me like sitting in a
Speaker 3: sea of index cards on my floor, just being like,
Speaker 3: what if we don't I remember one day I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I have this crazy idea. We don't have a season finale.
Speaker 3: We do an episode nine and then we stop. And
Speaker 3: they were like, but that would then be this season finale,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay. It's like my father told
Speaker 3: me a story about when he did acid for the
Speaker 3: first time, and he looked at his friend and said,
Speaker 3: what if we raise our children with no egos? And
Speaker 3: they thought that they'd like solved in They kind of did,
Speaker 3: but you can't necessarily maintain that when you're not on
Speaker 3: a heavy dose.
Speaker 1: Of LSDA, And they would have to just make sure
Speaker 1: that when the baby came into the world immediately they
Speaker 1: give them the same dose exactly. I see, it's a dome.
Speaker 1: This is all fake.
Speaker 3: This is all fake. Do a full Truman show. But
Speaker 3: I was having a what if we raise our babies
Speaker 3: with no egos. What if we just forsake the season
Speaker 3: finale b low everybody's mind. Yeah, they're just it's another day,
Speaker 3: it's over. Yeah, but you can't game the system that way.
Speaker 2: We all would have arrived at that same exact idea
Speaker 2: had we been showed like creating, starring, running a show,
Speaker 2: directing episodes of the show while we were at the
Speaker 2: tender age of twenty six twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Definitely, reriting the book made me realize how crazy it
Speaker 3: is to give jobs of any consequence. And as I again,
Speaker 3: another quote from my father always says, there are no
Speaker 3: art emergencies, Yeah, because like you know, people love to
Speaker 3: act like they're actually Like, my aunt is an emergency
Speaker 3: room doctor. Sometimes she would have to treat someone who's
Speaker 3: like leg got caught in a subway door. That is emergency. Yeah,
Speaker 3: season finale actually not an emergency, but it was still
Speaker 3: a job that involved actual interfacing with many people and engaging.
Speaker 3: And I'm I just look back and I go, that
Speaker 3: is so like I see people are that. Ah, now
Speaker 3: you should still be inside your mother's body.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, no, that's you should be a Joey
Speaker 1: in a kangaroo.
Speaker 3: You should be a Joey in a kangaroo and no
Speaker 3: one should let you out till you're thirty two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And so a lot of the book was grappling that.
Speaker 3: And what was interesting was I was so judgmental of
Speaker 3: myself at the time, and looking back, I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Like, they're definitely they're definitely low points.
Speaker 3: But there are definitely some moments where I was like,
Speaker 3: I should have been nicer to you. You were doing
Speaker 3: you were trying so hard and it was going okay.
Speaker 1: And trying actually trying things. I mean, there were moments
Speaker 1: in that show where I was like, I would sit
Speaker 1: perplexed with it. I remember just being a huge fan
Speaker 1: of the show and the first season had come and gone,
Speaker 1: and the second season happened, and there's an episode where
Speaker 1: your Hannah is at the cemetery and she sits there
Speaker 1: and she parrots back a story that someone else had
Speaker 1: told about their own grief to someone else, and the
Speaker 1: episode ended, and I remember being like, at the time,
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't I didn't like that episode.
Speaker 1: I can't believe she did that, and I didn't like
Speaker 1: that episode. And then now looking back, I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I think I saw something true, and I think there's
Speaker 1: a testament to you putting that out there, even at
Speaker 1: that age when you know discourses really tough and you're
Speaker 1: judging yourself. There's a lot of checkpoints to get through
Speaker 1: when you put on your lead character who's like, you know,
Speaker 1: close to yourself doing an ugly thing. And she did
Speaker 1: a lot of ugly things, all those characters did.
Speaker 3: I always forget how many ugly things she did. And
Speaker 3: then someone was like, oh, I just watched the episode
Speaker 3: came up to the Street, and I just watched the
Speaker 3: episode where she goes to her boss's funeral and makes
Speaker 3: it all about herself. And I was like, she did
Speaker 3: that exactly right. You can't go to somebody's funeral that
Speaker 3: you don't know well and make it all about yourself.
Speaker 3: And I remember that being that the scene in the cemetery. First,
Speaker 3: I remember it because I fainted and then the medic said,
Speaker 3: I think you're okay because you still have rosiness in
Speaker 3: your finger now beds, and I was like, I think
Speaker 3: you are a medical professional. I think this on a
Speaker 3: TV set on it I was like, I remember he
Speaker 3: laid me back and he was like, rosy nail beds.
Speaker 3: Check and I was like, this pel's check. I think
Speaker 3: we need to get some gatorade in this girl's stat
Speaker 3: and I so that is one memory I have with
Speaker 3: the others. I remember doing that monologue where she's like,
Speaker 3: my cousin had cystic fibrosis and I had to which
Speaker 3: was actually a true That story was a true story
Speaker 3: about my father's cousin. That is real and sad that
Speaker 3: we then gave to Gabby that we then gave to me.
Speaker 3: And I remember feeling sick doing the monologue because there
Speaker 3: were a couple of things, like there's a scene in
Speaker 3: the first season where Hannah tries to seduce her boss
Speaker 3: who's sexually harassing her to turn the tables and reclaim
Speaker 3: and also tried to like maybe get a bunch of
Speaker 3: back pay. She's like, maybe if we fucked, then he'll
Speaker 3: have to give me a ton of money. And I
Speaker 3: remember the scene and being like, who wrote this for me?
Speaker 3: Why am I doing? Why am I? Richard Maser a kind, talented,
Speaker 3: seasoned character actor. I'm about to go in and straddle aggressively.
Speaker 3: And then I saw him recently because he came and
Speaker 3: did a part in my movie, and he was like,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen you since that's straddling, But it was
Speaker 3: hard sometimes because I was like, also, I knew that
Speaker 3: the valance was is it a valance? I knew that
Speaker 3: the curtain between how people perceived her and perceived me
Speaker 3: it was extremely sheer. So I also knew when I
Speaker 3: made those choices, and what I loved thinking about writing
Speaker 3: book was also like Zasha, Jemia, Allison all have. I mean,
Speaker 3: you've been Alison. She's the most correct. She's hilarious and dirty,
Speaker 3: but she's also correct and polite. She wants everything you
Speaker 3: need to know about her. She once got tendonitis from
Speaker 3: writing too many thank you.
Speaker 1: Notes, and her thank you note writing life, her.
Speaker 3: Thank you not writing life, and she and Zasha is
Speaker 3: incredibly smart and thoughtful, and Jemima is her own iconic Roland.
Speaker 3: And they were all so down to clown. Yeah, Like
Speaker 3: you'd go up to them and you'd be like, today,
Speaker 3: today you are going to get your ass eaten by
Speaker 3: your friend's boyfriend and they'd be all right, here we go.
Speaker 3: The one time I remember, we gave Alice in a
Speaker 3: monologue where she was supposed to say that she'd lost
Speaker 3: her virginity at fourteen, and she was like what And
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, she lost her virginia when she
Speaker 3: was fourteen, and she was like, that doesn't really square
Speaker 3: with like how I've been thinking about her very thoughtfully.
Speaker 3: She's like, you know, I've been playing her in one way.
Speaker 3: And Jemimah came up and she's like, what would you
Speaker 3: have been doing if you knew she lost her virginia
Speaker 3: at fourteen? Oh, Marnie, And then she did this like
Speaker 3: voice of like the alternate Martie who told this because
Speaker 3: she lost to virginity at fourteen, and we were just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're not going to be precious about this, We're just
Speaker 3: going to try it. And then she talked about losing
Speaker 3: virginia at fourteen and fucking crushed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what's going on in my This is
Speaker 2: my take on what the person coming up to you saying,
Speaker 2: oh I just saw the episode where about the funeral
Speaker 2: and this is and with what Matt saying about like,
Speaker 2: I don't like what I just saw and then realizing
Speaker 2: in hindsight that's me is like I think the show
Speaker 2: kind of conveyed this better than anything else in our
Speaker 2: for our generation, where it's like the person you hate
Speaker 2: the most or the person that annoys you the most
Speaker 2: is would be you if they grew up and lived
Speaker 2: in your exact same circumstances.
Speaker 3: One I remember my first ever therapist shout out Lisa Spiegel.
Speaker 3: She a truly important woman in my life. And I
Speaker 3: remember I was talking about a girl that I was
Speaker 3: not cool at school and I was like, there's this
Speaker 3: one girl and I just can't stand her and every
Speaker 3: time she sits near me, and she was like, do
Speaker 3: you think maybe you recognize a little bit of yourself
Speaker 3: in her? And it was like, I mean, I was nine,
Speaker 3: so it was like saying, what if we raise our
Speaker 3: kids with no egos? It blew my fucking mind. But
Speaker 3: of course, and I've always been interested in I remember
Speaker 3: like the first time I saw the British Office, I was, Oh,
Speaker 3: you're allowed to do this, Like you're allowed to celebrate
Speaker 3: characters who are making insane mistakes. And I love when
Speaker 3: a character does not who You know when you meet
Speaker 3: someone and they're like, I'm a very empathic person and
Speaker 3: you know whatever comes after is not going to be empathic.
Speaker 3: Or they say no offense and whatever comes after is
Speaker 3: going to offend you.
Speaker 1: How do you know I don't want to hear this then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one percent, Or when my brother last week started saying,
Speaker 3: can I be real for a second a lot? And
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't like it.
Speaker 1: What are you the other second? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What was happening before? And why is this happening to
Speaker 3: me now? But I've always been interested in characters who
Speaker 3: see themselves very differently than the rest of the world
Speaker 3: sees them, and that gap. And it's interesting also because
Speaker 3: people now know that you're not allowed to say It's
Speaker 3: the same way that the Daily Mail stopp being allowed
Speaker 3: to call you fat, so they had to call you
Speaker 3: voluptuous or zef dig or whatever other synonym they could
Speaker 3: come up with for what they used to say, which
Speaker 3: was like messy, yeah, fat lady m hm. And now
Speaker 3: people know that they're not supposed to be angry. If
Speaker 3: women are unlikable, there's a new word that is being
Speaker 3: used that comes up in notes, Are they rootable?
Speaker 1: Routable? Meaning can we root for them? Is there any
Speaker 1: world in which we could want them to succeed?
Speaker 3: Correct? And I do think that is being likable and
Speaker 3: being rootable or two different things. But it was also
Speaker 3: always really interesting when Girls was on to realize that
Speaker 3: people could accept the idea of like Tony soprano, they
Speaker 3: could accept the idea of Walter White just like a
Speaker 3: girl giving like an errant hand job. Was truly the
Speaker 3: biggest societal problem that we had, and I think that
Speaker 3: feels very quaint to people now. And also now there's
Speaker 3: all the like I have main character syndrome, main I'm
Speaker 3: the main character of my own life. Like there's sort
Speaker 3: of a celebration of this kind of like delirious selfishness
Speaker 3: that before was considered a major character flaw. So I
Speaker 3: think there's like more room in the world. It feels
Speaker 3: to me it's funny because women have never had more
Speaker 3: problems actually, but on television there's space to wild out
Speaker 3: just a little bit more.
Speaker 1: I almost feel like people actually think that they I
Speaker 1: think people think they love and support women because they
Speaker 1: watched television with them in it, and then they convinced
Speaker 1: themselves of something, and then the second they turn away,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I've already spent my time thinking and
Speaker 1: supporting Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I think it's
Speaker 1: so much more prevalent than people, and it is so interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're great theorists who are looking at sort
Speaker 3: of like the gap between what we accept in media
Speaker 3: and what we accept in the world, and we supported
Speaker 3: media and what we support in the world. But it
Speaker 3: was interesting because when we were doing Girls, it was
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, it was like it was Obama era.
Speaker 3: Everything was going to be okay, well try it. We
Speaker 3: were on our way up. Everything like there was a
Speaker 3: even though of course there was lots of consequence in
Speaker 3: the world that I didn't have a full complete understanding
Speaker 3: of because I was like inside a sound stage and
Speaker 3: didn't know what time it was. There was it felt
Speaker 3: like the world was we were going to a women's march,
Speaker 3: we were having being sent pussy hats. Everything was happening,
Speaker 3: and now there's been a profound backtracking. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you remember something called me Too, but I don't
Speaker 3: think it happened. It didn't reach a lot of corners
Speaker 3: of the world. But we know that we're supposed to
Speaker 3: think that women can be naughty on TV, right.
Speaker 2: That that's somehow sustained, It's survived that for fucking.
Speaker 3: And I want that. I want Rachel Wess to be
Speaker 3: naughty on TV. Don't get me wrong. Always, That's why
Speaker 3: I'm alive.
Speaker 1: No one does it better.
Speaker 3: I mean I was, I was watching her. I mean
Speaker 3: direct to camera address from Rachel Weiss. We don't deserve,
Speaker 3: We don't deserve. Also, I love how the whole time
Speaker 3: she's like, I'm old and ugly and no one will
Speaker 3: look at me. And I was like, you're the single
Speaker 3: most beautiful woman.
Speaker 1: You're actually a famously iconic for your Like I'll never
Speaker 1: forget the first time I saw her in the Mummy movies.
Speaker 1: Oh it's OK. That's like an arresting image for all times.
Speaker 3: Like she's almost more so if you're not even attracted
Speaker 3: to women, because you go, what am I?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, what am I?
Speaker 1: I know I have questions and they come from.
Speaker 3: You, ms Weiss. But that being said, yeah, she's she's
Speaker 3: she's an iconically beautifulman. But at the same time, any
Speaker 3: iconically beautiful woman who is over fifty is still dealing
Speaker 3: with these same things.
Speaker 2: Right, But it's so funny to bring up some jo
Speaker 2: except for who Jayla?
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Speaker 1: But I feel like.
Speaker 2: You just had this locus of chaos happening around you
Speaker 2: around the time of like this quote unquote Reckoning with
Speaker 2: Me Too, where it's like the show ends, this relationship
Speaker 2: is on its is on the outs, like all these
Speaker 2: these things about your body are sort of coming to
Speaker 2: light for you.
Speaker 1: Like that's that.
Speaker 2: That was My takeaway from the book was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: how are you writing this with in such clear, gorgeous
Speaker 2: detail while you're talking about how you are in this
Speaker 2: like long dissociated stay and how you've grown up with
Speaker 2: like these little flashes of dissociation and like hospital feeling
Speaker 2: your hospital, like you for something is going on with
Speaker 2: me and I'm ignoring my basic needs while I'm making
Speaker 2: the show in the name of ambition and all these things.
Speaker 2: And I have to prove something right about the way
Speaker 2: the world sees me and sees the show now that
Speaker 2: like the dust is settled, Like I hope you're so
Speaker 2: proud of everything.
Speaker 3: That is a beautiful thing to say, and thank you.
Speaker 3: And I think the thing that was really lovely about
Speaker 3: writing the book was I had a really long time
Speaker 3: to do it. I mean, I wrote my first book
Speaker 3: in eight months. I wrote this book in eight years.
Speaker 1: Which we also loved.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much. And and I don't
Speaker 3: only want I didn't want to do it for the
Speaker 3: sake of you know, there's I've been asked to do,
Speaker 3: like do a girl's rewatch podcast, get Together with the Girls,
Speaker 3: And I mean, people love nostalgia, and I love nostalgia.
Speaker 3: And like, do I want to watch the whole cast
Speaker 3: of OC respond to episodes of the OC? Yes, I do,
Speaker 3: t Donovan, I want to watch tit donovan watch anything,
Speaker 3: but I'm interested in like forward motion and forward progression,
Speaker 3: and so I haven't Maybe there will be a time
Speaker 3: when I go I'd like to live watch every episode
Speaker 3: of Girls, but I haven't gotten in the yet. But
Speaker 3: I only wanted to write the book if I felt
Speaker 3: like I had something to say about the larger machine
Speaker 3: in which women are working, in which people are working
Speaker 3: about like the larger I do think that Hollywood is
Speaker 3: a microcosm, and it reflects the way the industry works,
Speaker 3: the way that we see people reflect things that exist
Speaker 3: in a lot of parts of the world, because it's
Speaker 3: like where the the center, it's our It's interesting because
Speaker 3: Hollywood is very kind of comparatively small industry where where
Speaker 3: we have chosen to center our attention. It's a distraction,
Speaker 3: it's a it's an indulgence, but it also has something
Speaker 3: bigger to say about the way that we live. And
Speaker 3: so I only wanted to write the book if I
Speaker 3: felt like I had something to say about all of
Speaker 3: that and about while also being hopefully thoughtful about the
Speaker 3: fact that like a tiny thousand tiny violins play for
Speaker 3: the girl who's like my TV show was too.
Speaker 1: Hard, but.
Speaker 3: So thank you for saying that, and I it was
Speaker 3: interesting to realize how much I did do I had
Speaker 3: always had my talk about in the book. I'd always
Speaker 3: had dissociated episodes throughout childhood. The more that my life
Speaker 3: picked up and the more stress was involved, the more
Speaker 3: they happened. But I think at the time I thought
Speaker 3: ignoring your basic needs was correct. I thought, like, if
Speaker 3: you're really good at being a person, you can suppress
Speaker 3: and override everything that you need in order to be
Speaker 3: comfortable for the city. And you know, we've all been
Speaker 3: sent a million signals about what ambition, what's important, what
Speaker 3: ambition means, what you know, who we have to be
Speaker 3: in this sort of in I'm about to say, under capitalism,
Speaker 3: send me to jail, but.
Speaker 1: And so capitalist in jail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, send me to capitalist jail. Send me to a
Speaker 3: private prison, sorry, where they'll treat me the way I've
Speaker 3: always treated myself. But but I want to tell you
Speaker 3: that something is happening inside me. Not a bad way,
Speaker 3: good way. But I just kind of like, my nipples
Speaker 3: aren't wreck But I did stand at attention.
Speaker 1: You felt the free song?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like there's a is there a moment when you're
Speaker 3: drinking yourself you go, it's on. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's
Speaker 3: a little bit like when you try drugs with deference
Speaker 3: for your first time and you go, is it working
Speaker 3: on you? Is it working on you? It's working? And
Speaker 3: also because I'm sober and now thanks to you, this
Speaker 3: one vape free?
Speaker 1: Oh is this where we is this where we entree
Speaker 1: into this discussion. I was just going to say one
Speaker 1: one more before we do that. I just want to
Speaker 1: say that the one thing about girls that that it's
Speaker 1: so much of it terrified me at the time because
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm I think I'm feeling comfortable because
Speaker 1: it's me. A lot of it was Marny, I know,
Speaker 1: are you a Marnie? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm probably a show.
Speaker 3: I was going to say that, yeah, And you know,
Speaker 3: I've been public about the fact that I'm a shosh.
Speaker 1: You're and you told us this, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm a show, you're a I've grown into a shosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's kind of like it's not to not to invoke.
Speaker 1: But it's like with the Hogwarts houses. My whole thing
Speaker 1: was like, listen, I was born a gryffindor yep. In
Speaker 1: my twenties, I was a Slytherin. Right now, I'm a
Speaker 1: huffle puff. I will die a raven claw, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's like that's sort of what
Speaker 1: it feels like. It's like that with the girls.
Speaker 3: Girls, well, well like in my in high school, I
Speaker 3: was a Charlotte yea. Then I turned into a Samantha. Yes,
Speaker 3: had a moment thinking I was a Carry and I
Speaker 3: will be a Miranda for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: But even maybe up to the part where she gets
Speaker 3: together with cha. You know, yeah, I think we can't.
Speaker 1: We can't rule it out.
Speaker 3: Been is maybe a chay uh huh uh huh. He
Speaker 3: doesn't want to hear that.
Speaker 1: Who does He's fingering you in the kitchen.
Speaker 3: I it could, it could happen.
Speaker 1: I want me to talk about your marriage.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry when you said it, I was almost like
Speaker 3: I was almost like, let's call him, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'd love to talk about my marriage. But you know,
Speaker 3: we're five years saying things really things really settle in,
Speaker 3: they're simmering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess what. I what I'm what was the
Speaker 1: big pull for me at the end when I was
Speaker 1: like really sitting with it and then the rewatch too.
Speaker 1: I confirmed. I was like, Wow, you don't stay friends
Speaker 1: with everyone forever. And the fact that.
Speaker 3: Pil Robbins calls it the Great Scattering.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the Great Scattering. She does call it that.
Speaker 1: But that whole last season is kind of about like
Speaker 1: them realizing that I imagine, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like they're they're moving into their different lives, like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's something solidifying hearing you didn't know
Speaker 1: what was coming now, but it is coming now in
Speaker 1: this sadness that comes with that, not even the acceptance
Speaker 1: of the idea that you might have to accept it,
Speaker 1: And that I think is one of the truest things
Speaker 1: about the show.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I held on really tight.
Speaker 3: I was really scared for the Great Scattering. I held on.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think my friends and I talked to
Speaker 3: each other in our twenties. If I look back, it's
Speaker 3: like people in a relationship, it's like we're act It's
Speaker 3: like I feel like it's been a little strange lately,
Speaker 3: and you're not responding to me the way and it's like, now,
Speaker 3: I would never say that to a friend in a
Speaker 3: fucking million years, because I'm like, what happen. You've got
Speaker 3: a big, complicated life. We're all trying to just get
Speaker 3: through this thing, and it's what happens. And you know,
Speaker 3: the show was also interesting because it was all about
Speaker 3: these friendships, but I was also literally always on set.
Speaker 3: So the friendships I talk about this, the friendships that
Speaker 3: it was about, were then affected by the fact that
Speaker 3: I wasn't around, and then was it was this big.
Speaker 3: It was like I went to sleep one day and
Speaker 3: then or like stepped onto this into Hannah's apartment one day,
Speaker 3: and then I got out when I was thirty and
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm back, guys, and they were all like,
Speaker 3: we're pregnant. Yeah, like you are looking for a boyfriend
Speaker 3: on Delancey Street. Were pregnant and I was like, anybody
Speaker 3: want to hear about my hysterectomy And they're like, we
Speaker 3: are wearing clogs in Brooklyn together. And I remember being
Speaker 3: like going to visit my friends and being like, I'm
Speaker 3: that weird aunt lady that's like comes in and she's like,
Speaker 3: I've brought you guys scarves.
Speaker 1: I was, well, I was traveling and you know what
Speaker 1: that means, Yes, little gifts gifts for everyone.
Speaker 3: My mom had a friend. My mom had has a
Speaker 3: lot of wonderful, eccentric friends, but I remember she had
Speaker 3: one friend who didn't have kids who came over once
Speaker 3: because she wanted to take some photos of our hairless
Speaker 3: cat to work into a video art piece. Naturally, yes,
Speaker 3: And she was wearing like full issy Miyaki pleats please,
Speaker 3: and she I saw a tattoo on her hand and
Speaker 3: she was like she was. I loved her partially because
Speaker 3: she was the only chubby woman that I really knew,
Speaker 3: because downtown was not rife with those, but all so
Speaker 3: she was writing a Semiaki pleats please, and I said,
Speaker 3: I like your tattoo, and she said, do you want
Speaker 3: to see my others? And she dropped her pants and
Speaker 3: she had like a full uh like constellation of all
Speaker 3: of the constellations on her like big beautiful ass on
Speaker 3: her ass. And I was like, that's what I want
Speaker 3: to be. I would never drop my pants in front
Speaker 3: of a child.
Speaker 1: No, I want that to be the If you did,
Speaker 1: you'd be her.
Speaker 3: If I did, that was a different time, but if
Speaker 3: I but I do. I got comfortable with the idea
Speaker 3: of like I'm going to come in to take a
Speaker 3: picture of your hairless cat for a video art piece,
Speaker 3: and you're going to say, do you and there you're
Speaker 3: going to say, what's that tattoo? And I'm going to say,
Speaker 3: I've made some mistakes, and it's just a.
Speaker 1: Matter I've made some mistakes.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of if your friends want to
Speaker 2: stick around for that, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 2: I think The Show Girls is about a friendship, a
Speaker 2: group of friends sort of. I mean, friendship is in
Speaker 2: tropic it's like it's it's just inevitable. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what the book is about. It's about like a
Speaker 2: friendship sort of sort of splitting up. And that's that's
Speaker 2: kind of that's like the most universal thing you can
Speaker 2: write about.
Speaker 3: I remember once saying to my mom, like, it's so sad.
Speaker 3: I used to know all these people that I don't
Speaker 3: know anymore. And she's like, that's called being alive. Like
Speaker 3: she was like, have you ever heard of like Judith
Speaker 3: Garrigan And I was like no, and she's like, well
Speaker 3: she was my best friend till you were three. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then she drank a lot. There's that's an instance.
Speaker 3: And I still look I used.
Speaker 1: To look another human being in the eyes and say
Speaker 1: we will die together. I haven't spoken to them in
Speaker 1: thirty years.
Speaker 3: Yes, by the.
Speaker 1: Way, we don't speak outside of this representatives.
Speaker 3: And the thing about whether your friends want to stick
Speaker 3: around for that, Like, that's one of the reasons I
Speaker 3: think I've had such prolonged and beautiful friendships with queer
Speaker 3: men is because because since my life didn't nessarily conform
Speaker 3: to some of the milestones that I thought it would right,
Speaker 3: being friends with people who had a different idea about
Speaker 3: what family and adulthood could mean was like deeply important
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was commonality there where. Yeah, you may have
Speaker 1: tried to find it somewhere else.
Speaker 3: I thought that I was supposed to be And by
Speaker 3: the way, I love all those women and they are
Speaker 3: still my friends. But I thought I was supposed to
Speaker 3: be in Bushwick but have moved out of the smaller
Speaker 3: place into the townhouse and be wearing the clogs. And
Speaker 3: actually I was supposed to be at the Essulon resort
Speaker 3: in the Hot Springs with a buff acupuncturists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, yes, shout out to Russell. I just yeah,
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's just in terms of like
Speaker 1: the way you write character, it's like obviously there's a
Speaker 1: couple huge The book is really about like relationships, and
Speaker 1: there's two relationships that you just you lose by the
Speaker 1: end of the book. But what I wanted to say was,
Speaker 1: you've always created some of the best characters of our generation.
Speaker 1: But the way that you write these people in your life,
Speaker 1: it's like such a beautiful thing, a testament to the
Speaker 1: place that they held in your life. And I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you have anything in you and I'm sure you do,
Speaker 1: I'm positive you do, which is like nervous about how
Speaker 1: they're going to receive it, which of course you are
Speaker 1: going to because.
Speaker 3: Of course, whenever you make something, you make it for
Speaker 3: like two people, and they're probably the two people who
Speaker 3: won't even look at it. That's life.
Speaker 1: But the thing is like, the way you've written them
Speaker 1: is so beautiful. Because what I love about what you do,
Speaker 1: even if sometimes you were fighting with yourself, because you
Speaker 1: might feel a different way about these two people on
Speaker 1: any given day, it's like it feels like you always
Speaker 1: held true to I'm going to try and three sixty
Speaker 1: flesh this person out as much as you can, because
Speaker 1: you know, with these relationships like Jenny and Jack, you
Speaker 1: get a sense of both their humor, you get a
Speaker 1: sense of both their positive oddities. You get a sense
Speaker 1: of them on all of their best days.
Speaker 3: They're the two funniest, most special, and most defining relationships
Speaker 3: of twenty to thirty. I mean, your first romantic relationship
Speaker 3: where you feel deeply understood is like the most precious
Speaker 3: thing that can ever exist. You're like, oh, I thought
Speaker 3: I really had a crush on that guy and tenth grade,
Speaker 3: but this is a whole the first time you make
Speaker 3: a life with someone, the first best, real adult best
Speaker 3: friend you have. And I hoped that I could show
Speaker 3: like why I fell in love with them, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: also that it couldn't. I was quoting Casey musk Graves
Speaker 3: too earlier, saying that when she got divorced, did it's
Speaker 3: a sole connection that didn't work out?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And that doesn't I think like love is. I think
Speaker 3: if you love someone really deeply. Firstly, we know that
Speaker 3: if when two people get divorced or something and they're
Speaker 3: like I fucking hate them, You're like, that's because you
Speaker 3: were obsessed with them, and your obsession had to energy
Speaker 3: cannot be created or destroyed, and therefore it had to
Speaker 3: transmute into something, and my goal has always been not
Speaker 3: to have that transmute into something negative. And also, if
Speaker 3: I didn't feel that deep love for them, I'd have
Speaker 3: to do this like grand erasure of all these memories.
Speaker 3: And I remember I dated one person after my breakup
Speaker 3: and it was like a quick it was one of
Speaker 3: those four month like four months that could have been
Speaker 3: fifty years. Yeah, and afterwards I deleted all the photos
Speaker 3: and it's the one time I've done that, and I
Speaker 3: regret it because it's like there's this hole in my
Speaker 3: life that I just in this moment of rash. Maybe
Speaker 3: you can call Tim Cook and he can get them back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, he's got them. I did the same thing
Speaker 1: I did it with I did it with text messages
Speaker 1: and a lot of photos. And I go back and
Speaker 1: forth now on whether or not that was the right
Speaker 1: thing to do.
Speaker 3: It was the right thing for you in the moment
Speaker 3: because you knew that you were not you could.
Speaker 1: Not trust yourself with them because I was obsessing, Yes,
Speaker 1: And I think that like.
Speaker 3: You were self harming through nostalgia.
Speaker 1: That's really what it was. And I knew in the
Speaker 1: moment that that's what it had become. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, I think in order to set myself free
Speaker 1: from this, I have to do this. But as someone
Speaker 1: who does you know, see value in looking back and
Speaker 1: being like, oh, and also just like the way you
Speaker 1: talk positively and the way you draw up what it
Speaker 1: feels like to finally get comfortable in a relationship, like
Speaker 1: actually made me look back on like one particular X
Speaker 1: that I you know, kind of have exclusively like hard
Speaker 1: feelings about, yeah, and reading what you wrote about like
Speaker 1: an old relationship, and I was like, oh, like one
Speaker 1: good thing I can say is like I really like
Speaker 1: like being silly with him, Like I was thinking something
Speaker 1: when I was reading your words. It's like, oh, that
Speaker 1: person when someone sees you silly, what's so funny? The
Speaker 1: movement of it, all the moments that you give each
Speaker 1: other and like you know, it's like it's it's it's
Speaker 1: you're you can't replicate that.
Speaker 3: And I I was once just I was at the
Speaker 3: Toronto Film Festival in one of the places that I've
Speaker 3: been in my life. I don't know what to say,
Speaker 3: and I ran into my ex boyfriend. I was with
Speaker 3: my husband and he was watching in the Tolianail's way.
Speaker 3: He was like, you guys were being so funny together. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you just get back into this, like in a way,
Speaker 3: when you've had a long term relationship with someone, especially
Speaker 3: through a very pivotal moment in your life, there's things
Speaker 3: that they will only like there's certain facts about my aunts,
Speaker 3: particular my aunts Bonnie and Susan, who are very important
Speaker 3: complex female characters, and I will something will happen with
Speaker 3: Monny and she's gonna be like, this is the only
Speaker 3: person who could possibly understand how.
Speaker 1: Funny do you reach out?
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think that it's I don't like to have
Speaker 3: a blockade, and you know, I try to do it
Speaker 3: in appropriate doses. I'm not like, I'm not like, hey
Speaker 3: came across this photo of us really made me think,
Speaker 3: I think that's aggressive. That's aggressive from a psychotic and
Speaker 3: I'm totally capable of that. I just have to reel
Speaker 3: it in, you know, like that there's a part of
Speaker 3: me that could one hundred percent be like there's funny
Speaker 3: things that you go this is a value that we
Speaker 3: remember this and it's I remember when my father's my
Speaker 3: father's parents died and then his brother died and he
Speaker 3: was like, there's nobody else who remembers what it was
Speaker 3: like to be in my family. First, he kept saying
Speaker 3: I'm an orphan, and I was like, okay, you're You're seventy,
Speaker 3: So I don't know if you get to claim that title.
Speaker 3: Everyone wants a title these days. And that's the thing is,
Speaker 3: it's really beautiful to have people who remember, even if
Speaker 3: they remember differently. And my goal in the book was
Speaker 3: to show how much they meant and how much love
Speaker 3: there is that still exists for them will also and
Speaker 3: I'm sure that someone could give their account and it
Speaker 3: would be the same events but with an extremely different
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the amazing thing about the world is
Speaker 3: like we're all looking through our own eyes. I'm on acid.
Speaker 1: No, no, but I think we're on acid too. I'm
Speaker 1: like it's called But there was also so much in
Speaker 1: like your your working relationship, in close close, close friendship
Speaker 1: with Jenny that like I texted B and I was like,
Speaker 1: are you it's about relevant thing?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the thing that I've learned, and I
Speaker 3: mean those creative relationships that were so intense, they were
Speaker 3: like marriages, they were like all these it was like
Speaker 3: I was it was like I was in a polyamorous relationship.
Speaker 3: I mean it was, and in a way I look
Speaker 3: back and I'm like, that was my primary relationship, and
Speaker 3: then I had a secondary relationship, which was a boyfriend,
Speaker 3: and then a tertiary relationship which was my dad, And
Speaker 3: so that is, Oh, that's a wild thing to look
Speaker 3: back on. And and creative relationships you two know really well,
Speaker 3: require just as much, if not more, emotional maintenance. Like
Speaker 3: when you're married to a straight man, there's so much
Speaker 3: that you just don't even have to say, Like, my brother,
Speaker 3: it must be so relaxing to be married to a
Speaker 3: straight guy because they like are not really picking up
Speaker 3: on anything. You don't have to like it's.
Speaker 1: Like whenever nothing means more than it does.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. When I remember around queer couple are
Speaker 3: like you moved your eyebrows, or you're feeling a little
Speaker 3: bit destabilized, and like you can just hide in your
Speaker 3: own house for days with a straight man.
Speaker 1: The studying of punctuation, forget it.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: If a if a queer man or woman like like
Speaker 1: is texting you in a punction in a like punctuation
Speaker 1: way that order, I'm like, oh, something is deeply wrong.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's my husband will just send a
Speaker 3: text that he doesn't it's just one word, inexplicable word,
Speaker 3: because he hasn't looked back. And I will look back
Speaker 3: at a text and be like, did I say what
Speaker 3: I meant to say? The mount of text I edit.
Speaker 1: Send the respiti Leston.
Speaker 3: He just sent me a picture of a broken window
Speaker 3: in our house with zero explanation, and I was like,
Speaker 3: were we robbed? And he was like, no, no, it
Speaker 3: was a wind issue. And I was like, you need
Speaker 3: to lead with that. But in the relationship with another woman,
Speaker 3: specifically the amount that you're picking up, it's like this
Speaker 3: insane It's like whatever's traveling between machines at the Apple headquarters.
Speaker 3: It's like this insane level of information and subtlety. And and
Speaker 3: also in creative relationships, you're in each other's heads in
Speaker 3: a different way.
Speaker 1: I've been your smartest with that person.
Speaker 3: They know they've been your smartest. You've been your dumbest
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night. You've been your most petulant,
Speaker 3: you've been your most elegant, you've been your most brave,
Speaker 3: all of it. It's really amazing, and I think they
Speaker 3: require a very specific kind of careen maintenance, and that's
Speaker 3: why I'm sending you two to Esther prol oh B.
Speaker 1: During the therapy scene, I was like, because we've talked
Speaker 1: like at particular moments, there have been like, well maybe
Speaker 1: we should see a counselor or a therapist like or
Speaker 1: someone that, and then we land on like mediator, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like those things where like
Speaker 1: you know the relationship like needs something, but you're not
Speaker 1: ready to say what kind of person, And then you're
Speaker 1: like kind of filtering through the stand of like well,
Speaker 1: what is the difference between these Like.
Speaker 3: Maybe it should just be a friend who likes us
Speaker 3: both to talk it through.
Speaker 2: But then that just to save on like the explanation.
Speaker 3: Just you can, but but it there is something. I mean. Also,
Speaker 3: going to therapy with somebody that you work with is
Speaker 3: a big choice because you go, Okay, I'm really proclaiming
Speaker 3: the significance of this dynamic because we're in a therapist's
Speaker 3: office together, so you two have never been to therapy
Speaker 3: together yet.
Speaker 2: No, we've gotten far along in the process, but then
Speaker 2: inevitably things pop up and we're like, Okay, we got
Speaker 2: to address this and we will be twogether and we can.
Speaker 2: We can, we're we can work this out ad hoc
Speaker 2: as necessary.
Speaker 3: We can work this out amongst ourselves.
Speaker 1: Until until we really need to. Like my therapist says,
Speaker 1: she doesn't think we need it.
Speaker 3: By the way, I trust that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also it seems to me as a passionate viewer,
Speaker 3: that you're doing fine. I'm not picking up on any
Speaker 3: tension right now.
Speaker 1: It's not like, okay, great. What I will say is
Speaker 1: that whenever there is a period of tension, it does,
Speaker 1: it breaks, and it blows, and we're always literally fifty
Speaker 1: times better afterwards. I sometimes wish it didn't have to
Speaker 1: get there, but I also think that we get better
Speaker 1: at communicating every time, and as we know, that's what
Speaker 1: it is all about.
Speaker 3: Well, so it is all about that. And I don't
Speaker 3: know about you. I am extremely conflict avoidant except for
Speaker 3: I saw this. I don't love it. I saw a
Speaker 3: meme that was like this man did something and he's
Speaker 3: out to see the woman that only my father knows.
Speaker 3: And that's truly like the I think if you have
Speaker 3: a as a woman, if you have a comfortable it
Speaker 3: should be like I have yelled in a way that's
Speaker 3: like blown the hair back on his head.
Speaker 1: Oh forget it, and I.
Speaker 3: Can't do it with and he said to me before,
Speaker 3: he's been like, you need to go in there and
Speaker 3: act like you act with me, like a fucking bitch,
Speaker 3: like and but it's really hard. And I think one
Speaker 3: of the reasons I love writing conflict like I've never
Speaker 3: been in a four way scream off like happened at
Speaker 3: the beach House. I would pass out, I would dissociate,
Speaker 3: I would go to another plane of existence.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time it happened with you and Allison,
Speaker 1: and I guess it was the penultimate episode of one.
Speaker 3: You are the Wound. Yeah, you are the wound Bruce
Speaker 3: err Kaplan's great line, you are the wound. And I
Speaker 3: remember doing it and feeling sick even doing the scene,
Speaker 3: because I was like, I don't want to yell at
Speaker 3: you like this. I love you difference, Yeah no, and
Speaker 3: you're about You're like, this is feels horrible, But then
Speaker 3: also it's so fun to do because you're like, this
Speaker 3: is a world in which I somehow feel comfortable screaming
Speaker 3: in my friend's face and telling her all these things
Speaker 3: that I used to always say to like anyone who
Speaker 3: would I'd be like, and then I was like And
Speaker 3: then I was like and they'd be like, did you
Speaker 3: actually say it that stuff? And I was like, no,
Speaker 3: I was light.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, no, You're always You're always in
Speaker 1: You're always like truly, truly, truly like a Kate Blanchette
Speaker 1: performance in your mind with someone else like oh, or
Speaker 1: like like like Shonda Rhymes on the Best Seasons of
Speaker 1: Grays turning to someone and being like, I'm giving it
Speaker 1: to you exactly succinctly, And I can feel proud of
Speaker 1: the way I expressed.
Speaker 3: One of the great moments of my life, despite the
Speaker 3: fact that my wig on Scandal was not ideal, is
Speaker 3: that I delivering a Shonda Rhymes monologue and it was like, yes,
Speaker 3: I am a woman who loves sex, but am I
Speaker 3: a slut? No? And it was like, I did deliver
Speaker 3: it to beautiful Carrie Washington all my might, and then
Speaker 3: of course I had to get my throat slick because
Speaker 3: I was a slut. You died on that, Yeah, Huck
Speaker 3: killed me.
Speaker 1: Huck killed you for the sin of being a slap
Speaker 1: broad slip because you were a slut.
Speaker 3: Huck killed me because I was about to kill someone else.
Speaker 3: Then who was trying to kill.
Speaker 1: Me getting killed by is hot though.
Speaker 3: Damn it was amazing. I had a backpack of blood
Speaker 3: and then they made this thing and suddenly there was
Speaker 3: like a man who pulled a thing and blood skirted
Speaker 3: from my neck.
Speaker 1: So fun my parent died on screen.
Speaker 3: I want to I've died twice in a in scandal, yeah,
Speaker 3: and in American horror story. And when I died in
Speaker 3: American horstory, I rotted from the inside. And what it
Speaker 3: involved was I was supposed to have maggots in my eyes,
Speaker 3: so they glued my eyes shut and covered them in
Speaker 3: white rice. And then there was a pa. Who's this
Speaker 3: person deserved? I mean, whoever you are, I couldn't see you,
Speaker 3: so I'm sorry, but I'm going to speak directly to you.
Speaker 3: Thank you for what you did. I want to thank you.
Speaker 3: You led me around by the back so gently all
Speaker 3: day long, making sure I didn't trip over any scenery
Speaker 3: while I rotted from many angles. Here's a guy for everything, said,
Speaker 3: Here's a guy for everything.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking of dying but not the vaping. Okay, what
Speaker 1: do you want to say here?
Speaker 3: Here's what I want to say. We're on a text chain.
Speaker 3: We do want to revote. What it's called.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's called life is so? Which is it is
Speaker 1: just so? Just so? Which is which is a word?
Speaker 2: Which is another gorgeous turn a phrase by miss Lena Unman.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I believe because we were at
Speaker 3: Apple and I just went, life is just so, and
Speaker 3: then you created a text chain and then it's just
Speaker 3: so so We're on life is just so, and I
Speaker 3: just I like sometimes if I feel like they're too far,
Speaker 3: I just like to pop in and it's the boys
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Mind them that I'm there. And I said,
Speaker 3: how are you? And you let me know that you
Speaker 3: had been going through an experience with someone you were
Speaker 3: dating who phraser. I'm allowed to say it.
Speaker 1: We can bring, we can.
Speaker 3: Invoke so phrase had an incident that a vaping induced
Speaker 3: lung infection evil.
Speaker 1: So basically what happened was and some people might not
Speaker 1: know this, but so Fraser was he was a vape artist. Yes,
Speaker 1: and like so many out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and basically medium, the.
Speaker 1: The the the cartridge essentially like this can happen when
Speaker 1: you're sucking on them.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm going to look at the camera again.
Speaker 1: Listen to this man, the the like oil from the
Speaker 1: vape cartridge can basically leak into your lungs and it's poison.
Speaker 1: And so when we were at Bravo Con and I
Speaker 1: can say this because he has said all of it
Speaker 1: and this is all about his health and its public
Speaker 1: and I would never share anything if he hadn't been
Speaker 1: public about it. But we were at Bravos Medical Records,
Speaker 1: Melissa and I were there, and we were all there together.
Speaker 1: I was actually announcing that the culture Wars are coming back.
Speaker 1: He was obviously there for Below Deck. It was exciting, and.
Speaker 3: Then momvo con.
Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't even going with the idea of like,
Speaker 1: and we're going to take a photo on the carpet.
Speaker 1: He wanted to take a picture together. I was like,
Speaker 1: let's do it. I put it on my Instagram. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that very weekend, people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: Matt and Fraser are dating. As that was happening, And
Speaker 1: I know this is going to sound dramatic. He had
Speaker 1: a heart attack in front of him.
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound dramatic. It's traumatic, is there? It is?
Speaker 1: And I feel like what people don't know is it's
Speaker 1: like if you were if you know, you obviously know
Speaker 1: because it's horrifying and it's hard to explain, but you
Speaker 1: don't know a heart attack is happening every time. It's
Speaker 1: like he was he had very intense chest pains and
Speaker 1: like couldn't get comfortable, and you know, it was short
Speaker 1: of breath and had to bail on the whole night
Speaker 1: with us, and we checked in on him later and
Speaker 1: it was ongoing, and so I'm thinking, like, is this
Speaker 1: stress and anxiety whatever. We find out much later after
Speaker 1: tests come in that essentially because of this poison not
Speaker 1: got in his lungs, he had what was the equivalent
Speaker 1: of a heart attack and it and it was really bad,
Speaker 1: and we were in the hospital until five five point
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. We really had only been dating
Speaker 1: for about three months.
Speaker 3: Which is also really intense because it certainly hull lesbians
Speaker 3: things up a bit.
Speaker 1: Oh, So we were already like really enjoying being together
Speaker 1: and then there was this health stuff that entered, and
Speaker 1: so that like accelerated things. And you know, now where
Speaker 1: we're at is he was he's off. I can't say where,
Speaker 1: but he's you know.
Speaker 3: Created had a secret topical location.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's creating the television program many people like and
Speaker 1: I'm going to see him soon. But while he's been
Speaker 1: gone and I've been sort of busy doing my own thing,
Speaker 1: we kind of did like take a little bit of
Speaker 1: space just because of how intense everything had gotten and
Speaker 1: like personal.
Speaker 3: Things, and you had to go into caretaker mode. And
Speaker 3: he's grappling with this terrifying change to his body and
Speaker 3: it's it's really intense. And you shared just the littlest
Speaker 3: thank you for sharing, and you shared just a littlest
Speaker 3: snippet with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I didn't know you had been addicted to
Speaker 1: the to the oh.
Speaker 3: When we were at Apple, I didn't have my babe
Speaker 3: because I was trying to be elegant. And do you
Speaker 3: remember we got in the car, I was like sweating,
Speaker 3: Like I was like, can someone get a gas station?
Speaker 3: Can someone find a gas stop to stop? Because I
Speaker 3: had been off the vape for like twenty four hours
Speaker 3: and I was losing my mind, so I didn't I
Speaker 3: was a l I l a live a late in
Speaker 3: life vapor vapor. I started vaping on the set of
Speaker 3: a little television show called Industry because yea, I was
Speaker 3: directress of the pet but also it was it was
Speaker 3: in whales. People love to party in whales.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had been about English people.
Speaker 3: You know about English people, hello Frazer. They love sucking
Speaker 3: those things. And a friend was like, oh, you don't drink,
Speaker 3: you don't smoke your sober. You know what this is?
Speaker 3: This It tastes like candy. It doesn't do anything to
Speaker 3: you except put you in a great mood. Like literally,
Speaker 3: it was handed to me like it was a ring.
Speaker 1: Pop. Yeah. And then and it looks like a toy.
Speaker 3: It looks like a toy. It lights up, it makes noises,
Speaker 3: And I went, great, am I anxious all the time? Sure?
Speaker 1: Do?
Speaker 3: I like to do thing with my hands? Absolutely? And
Speaker 3: I became a person who would like wake up with
Speaker 3: my vape under my pillow. And I was not proud
Speaker 3: of it. I was embarrassed about it. I used to
Speaker 3: like hide it in my sleeve during me I mean,
Speaker 3: it was really became like a pacifier. And I had this.
Speaker 3: I stopped. I started, I'm also a chronically ill person.
Speaker 3: I have no business, I mean, I have practically no
Speaker 3: business drinking Celsius. This is the craziest thing I've done
Speaker 3: in months. We're so sorry, No, it's I love it.
Speaker 3: I locked yup, but I was in this on off relationship,
Speaker 3: I stopped. I started for one minute. I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what would be healthier than vaping rolled cigarettes?
Speaker 3: That's insane. But I was married to an english Man,
Speaker 3: so and he quit and I still couldn't it was
Speaker 3: and I kept. I was in a shame cycle with
Speaker 3: the vape and I was sitting there just sucking on
Speaker 3: my vape, texting my boys, and you said this, and I,
Speaker 3: because I am dramatic, I literally took the vape and
Speaker 3: I dropped it into a cup of water so that
Speaker 3: I couldn't retrieve it. And I went to day's the
Speaker 3: day it stops. And I've not taken a puff since
Speaker 3: it's been Thank you so much. But you did that
Speaker 3: for me because everyone else is like popcorn lung it's
Speaker 3: a little abstract. We don't know what happens.
Speaker 1: You can understand heart attack, and I've never understood it
Speaker 1: more than when it was happening in front of me.
Speaker 3: And also I could feel the urgency, and you said
Speaker 3: to me, I'll never forget you go. These things are
Speaker 3: so much more evil than we know. We don't even
Speaker 3: know the beginning of it. His lungs look like a
Speaker 3: seventy year old man's and I just want I want
Speaker 3: no part of this. And I have to say the
Speaker 3: first week, it was the week of Thanksgiving, and my
Speaker 3: family had all chosen to assemble without me, do it
Speaker 3: that but you will, oh, okay, No, they were on.
Speaker 3: They were on various little.
Speaker 1: And and give you for yourself phantom grab all day.
Speaker 3: Every day I'd reach for to my pocket. But I
Speaker 3: spent the week alone sweating it out, which needed to
Speaker 3: happen because I am generally a pretty I have my issues,
Speaker 3: but I'm a good mood girl, like I don't take
Speaker 3: my moods out on other people. I was raised in
Speaker 3: a house where I was like, if you're in a
Speaker 3: bad mood, you better turn yourself back around, missy and
Speaker 3: come back out here with a smile, because we who
Speaker 3: puts the shoes on your feet?
Speaker 1: Fix your face culture?
Speaker 3: Yes, it was a my father's a wasp. It was
Speaker 3: fix your face culture. And so I don't And I
Speaker 3: was in a kind of mood. It was a synthetic,
Speaker 3: nasty mood yep, and that could not be controlled.
Speaker 2: Because the nefairy thing about these things is that they
Speaker 2: were meant originally to help you quit smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 3: And now yesterday, I saw a girl in the bodega
Speaker 3: and she was crying because her credit card wasn't working
Speaker 3: and she wanted her vabe yeah, and she was like
Speaker 3: twenty three. And I did pay for it because I
Speaker 3: was like, I can't watch you in this kind of pain.
Speaker 3: But I said to her, you gotta.
Speaker 1: Stop, yeah, because look at you, look at your life,
Speaker 1: look at your choices.
Speaker 3: Correct. And I also said gets ins, gets lozenges, but
Speaker 3: also anything that makes you cry in the bodega, Like
Speaker 3: there's nothing I want in the bodega that if I
Speaker 3: can't get it, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm reduced to tears.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I don't want to live that way.
Speaker 1: Be for yourself.
Speaker 3: I don't want to live that way. I don't know
Speaker 3: it that way.
Speaker 1: I also got to say, like he has remained off
Speaker 1: the babe, he's doing so much better. I'm going to
Speaker 1: see him.
Speaker 3: Does he use lozenges or anything? He's gone told.
Speaker 1: What's crazy about those British people? It's stiff upper fucking done.
Speaker 3: Quit smoking. I was like, do you want to do
Speaker 3: a patch doing this? And he was like that is
Speaker 3: for pussy. He used to pain.
Speaker 1: He was like he was it was so if you
Speaker 1: know Fraser from the show. It was so Fraser. It
Speaker 1: was right then it's over. It was just like it's done,
Speaker 1: and he loved the thing. Like, I mean, like, but
Speaker 1: and I have to say the then as someone's like
Speaker 1: boyfriend in that moment. I think it might make it
Speaker 1: easier too, when you have someone that's like, hi, like
Speaker 1: I'm here too. This like really was scary character to me.
Speaker 1: And I do think there is a degree of like,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like that zoom out thing.
Speaker 1: It's like football, right, you zoom out, you look.
Speaker 3: At it.
Speaker 1: Crazy? Yeah, well yeah, but I guess my thing to be,
Speaker 1: you know, negative on football is like you zoom out
Speaker 1: as an alien looking on the world and you're like,
Speaker 1: what do they do? Doesn't seem exactly right? Like many
Speaker 1: forms of like you know, uh, government things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like if we all were to just zoom out the
Speaker 1: zooming out that happens when you look at people sucking
Speaker 1: on a little machine of smoke of tr right there,
Speaker 1: you'll be like, well, I look crazy.
Speaker 3: My husband was a smoker roommate. He saw me with
Speaker 3: the vape. He goes, it looks like you're plugged into
Speaker 3: a us B like you have to go back to
Speaker 3: your USB to charge every five minutes, Like you look
Speaker 3: like a demented robot. And it's interesting. The thing you
Speaker 3: said about going this is really scary for me because
Speaker 3: the only thing that affected my behavior in my twenties
Speaker 3: when I was not healthy and not making choices to
Speaker 3: be healthier, was my family looking at me after I'd had,
Speaker 3: you know, a terrifying ince in the husband. That was
Speaker 3: scary for us. And if I love people, you don't
Speaker 3: want them to suffer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you're moving through the world completely aware of your
Speaker 2: body and like I'm starting to be well, like and
Speaker 2: you're hearing this thing that phrase went through and you're like,
Speaker 2: it's done.
Speaker 1: Totally, drop it in the water.
Speaker 3: Drop it in the water, never look at it again.
Speaker 3: It was green, and it was green. And I think
Speaker 3: about her every day, And when I see people vaping,
Speaker 3: I think, I hope that you have fun, and I
Speaker 3: hope you A woman once said to me, a powerful
Speaker 3: one said when I quit smoking, she said, I didn't
Speaker 3: judge myself. I thanked myself for what it gave me.
Speaker 3: And I do think those years do I think it
Speaker 3: was good that I vaped for six years on and off,
Speaker 3: on and off. No. Do I think that during that
Speaker 3: time I needed something to stop like darker impulses. Probably yes.
Speaker 3: And now I'm like training wheels are off, the vape
Speaker 3: is gone, but I do have stuffed animals.
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 2: The woman who would she say, I think I think
Speaker 2: everyone it gave me. And that woman was Marie Kondo.
Speaker 2: And that woman wait, I was gonna say, oh, but
Speaker 2: this is like when a total fucking stranger tells you, hey,
Speaker 2: I watched girls, I read your book, and I think
Speaker 2: you have eds.
Speaker 3: That was the craziest it. It was so crazy, a
Speaker 3: total stranger wrote to me. I had been. It's the
Speaker 3: zoom out I had been, and it was exactly right.
Speaker 3: Everything she said. It was like reading my it. She
Speaker 3: literally her name is Marjorie. She literally made my life
Speaker 3: make sense to me because I had had my entire
Speaker 3: childhood had all of these weird symptoms like you're running
Speaker 3: in dodgeball and your need dislocates and your teacher's like,
Speaker 3: how did you do that? Nobody touched you? You know,
Speaker 3: I was like I was the constantly there was if
Speaker 3: there was anyone had a cold at school, like, within
Speaker 3: you know, six hours, I was going down. I had migraine,
Speaker 3: and starting when I was seven, I had really strong
Speaker 3: I used to faint when I had to be when
Speaker 3: I was in the sun, which my grandma loved because
Speaker 3: once I fainted in the customs line in Mexico and
Speaker 3: we got to skip, and she said, I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: She said, can you do that again, customs. But what
Speaker 3: was amazing was I had been I knew I had endometriosis,
Speaker 3: and I had been writing about my health, which involved
Speaker 3: more symptoms, and also there were times I had to
Speaker 3: pause life for my health, and this woman had been
Speaker 3: paying attention. She said, even the way that you run,
Speaker 3: the way that your skin flushes, it all makes sense,
Speaker 3: and sent me to this doctor at Johns Hopkins. And
Speaker 3: now there's more awareness about there's both more awareness about
Speaker 3: Baylor dan Low syndrome, other sort of autoimmune illness, the
Speaker 3: intersection between these things and udometriosis. There's increasing sort of
Speaker 3: people in the medical field to understand. But it was
Speaker 3: also a huge moment for me because I was, like,
Speaker 3: you know, a Jewish girl who was raised to be
Speaker 3: like the doctor's always right, that was who you respected.
Speaker 3: In My grandfather's great shame was that he was a dentist,
Speaker 3: not a doctor, because he had not been able to
Speaker 3: afford like that much schooling, and so he loved to
Speaker 3: be doctor Samuel Simmons, but he felt shame about the
Speaker 3: kind of doctor that he was. Andy Kaufman's orthodontist. O, wow,
Speaker 3: his teeth anyway, I keep going. My grandpa wasn't really
Speaker 3: keeping it doing cosmetic. He was doing like, does one
Speaker 3: of your teeth go out like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Then all put it back? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: He there was a thing in our house which was
Speaker 3: you were never supposed to let him look in your
Speaker 3: mouth because if you had a loose tooth, you would
Speaker 3: rip it out. And so my mom would always be like,
Speaker 3: whatever we do when we get to pass over, do
Speaker 3: not open your mouth for grandpa. Because his thing was just.
Speaker 1: Like, come on, let's go. Oh.
Speaker 3: And he had his office in the house and his
Speaker 3: tools were upstairs.
Speaker 1: So I got to say, there's something about an in
Speaker 1: home dental or doctor thing, which no, I trust it more.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the center of your life, literally,
Speaker 1: so you must be carrying down.
Speaker 3: So do you know who the Central Orthodontic Central Dental
Speaker 3: practices in Great Neck Long Island between the period of
Speaker 3: nineteen forty five and nineteen.
Speaker 1: Eighty three, doctor sam Simmons.
Speaker 3: Doctor Samuel Simmons and the patriarch from capturing the Freedmen's
Speaker 3: and those were the to war.
Speaker 1: It remind me, do.
Speaker 3: You remember the documentary about the family that end up
Speaker 3: maybe being predatory monsters. It was like the first Andrew
Speaker 3: Jureki documentary. I watched it at Angelica. Nicole Kidman was
Speaker 3: sitting in front of me at the theater, and it's
Speaker 3: about this family that potentially it's unclear whether they committed
Speaker 3: sort of like mass acts of pedophilia or whether there
Speaker 3: was a sort of like satanic panic moment that happened.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that you end up kind of really siding,
Speaker 3: of course with the victims. But he was this orthodontist
Speaker 3: who kind of seemed like he had this really perfect
Speaker 3: family and then it disintegrates. And his son was Bobo
Speaker 3: the Clown, the premier party clown of downtown Manhattan. So
Speaker 3: he used to do birthday parties. And the father was
Speaker 3: the other orthodontist in Great Neck. And of course when
Speaker 3: all of this came out, my grandfather was king.
Speaker 1: Of course, I have to say, and this is the
Speaker 1: biggest compliment I could get that story sounds like a
Speaker 1: limited series starring Matthew Reese.
Speaker 3: That's so nice.
Speaker 1: Well, she's the best compliment I watched.
Speaker 3: Capturing the Freedman's I've never seen anyone nod as emphatically
Speaker 3: as Nicole Kidman ahead of me in the theater in
Speaker 3: the Angelic.
Speaker 1: She was just excited to be in the theater.
Speaker 3: She loves it. I can still remember what the light
Speaker 3: looked like pouring on her beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's just studying. She sat here just days ago.
Speaker 3: I know, I know I listened, wasn't It.
Speaker 1: Really was a transfer when she saw my the lit
Speaker 1: tunes on my shirt and couldn't handle herself for forty
Speaker 1: five seconds.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine anything better than making Nicole Kidman happy.
Speaker 3: It was wonderful, except for making till just went and smile,
Speaker 3: which I did once once.
Speaker 1: So we need to get her.
Speaker 3: I do I have a photo? I don't do. I'm
Speaker 3: sure you're the same, which is I don't do a
Speaker 3: lot of celebrity approaches. I'm always shocked by of course, Yeah,
Speaker 3: when it comes out of me right, Like one time
Speaker 3: I saw Janice Dickinson at the Sunset Tower and I screamed,
Speaker 3: you mean everything.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that part of the book.
Speaker 3: You think you know that? Recently I facetimed jud and
Speaker 3: he had facetimed me, and I was in bed, sweaty mass.
Speaker 3: He goes, lean, I'm a little busy right now, passes
Speaker 3: the phone to Glenn Powell. Oh, Glenn Powell for pretty
Speaker 3: much no feelings the masculinity radiating from the screen. Do
Speaker 3: you want to know what I did? I went like this, Oh,
Speaker 3: you're my number one movie star? What happened?
Speaker 1: Who is she?
Speaker 3: What's going on? And Glenn Peal's like, thank you? That's
Speaker 3: so sweet? And then I go, ain't no set like
Speaker 3: a Jedd Apato set.
Speaker 1: It's it's so liked LI told.
Speaker 3: No lies told. But what's she doing?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I think, why is she?
Speaker 1: Something else took over?
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened. And that's usually when I approach
Speaker 3: the celebrity, it's something else takes over. I learned the
Speaker 3: hard way because I once approached theater character actress legend
Speaker 3: Jackie Hoffman in a bodega and that's said, you were
Speaker 3: incredible in kissing Jessica Stein. She went oh ow, and
Speaker 3: I went, I'm never doing that again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, you had the right idea,
Speaker 1: which was to not approach with the most popular things
Speaker 1: she's done. You approach with the thing that's going to
Speaker 1: hit them in the heart the most. Like when I
Speaker 1: met Queen Latifa and three people in front of me
Speaker 1: said I loved you in Chicago, and I went up
Speaker 1: to her and said, I loved you in Life Support,
Speaker 1: which was her aid's drama on HBO. If you don't
Speaker 1: think you said so much, baby, and she.
Speaker 3: Probably was, like, that means everything to me. One time,
Speaker 3: when I was at Esslyn, my favorite place in the world,
Speaker 3: a woman said, I loved how you represented pelvic pain
Speaker 3: in your TV show Camping. Camping is not even available
Speaker 3: on HBO Max. It has been scrubbed. Jennifer Garner's probably
Speaker 3: taken it off for IMDb. Beautiful person, amazing experience inside
Speaker 3: and out, makes Blueberry Buckle for the crew. Ain't no
Speaker 3: set like a Jennifer Garner's set. But that never said,
Speaker 3: like you never when someone says something to you like that,
Speaker 3: you cannot help but be bold over That's what you
Speaker 3: did for Latifa.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're telling me we're almost We're almost at
Speaker 1: the times we have to do. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And all right, so the question, but that's my god.
Speaker 1: We didn't even ask the question really quickly? Did you do?
Speaker 1: You want to tell them? What was the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say culture was for you?
Speaker 3: It was seeing Sarah Jessica Parker and Jane Krakowski in
Speaker 3: Once a mos on Broadway, Lady and Winifred, thank you
Speaker 3: so much, and I sang, I'm shy, I'm so quiet
Speaker 3: and shy for my Camp musical audition did not get in.
Speaker 3: But I just thought, like, I love being a woman.
Speaker 3: Women can be funny, they can be fun, they can
Speaker 3: be sexy. Sara Jessica Parker is like wearing rags and screaming.
Speaker 3: My I then went home aol dot com printed out
Speaker 3: probably one hundred low resolution images of Sarah Jessica Parker,
Speaker 3: made a wallpaper out of them. Yep, and it's it
Speaker 3: was so big for me.
Speaker 1: I'm so sad we don't have more time to talk
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 3: So yes, no, it was everything, and I mean it's
Speaker 3: still And then I've also gone back and watched Carol
Speaker 3: Burnett and it like Once about a Mattress to me,
Speaker 3: is I love it because it's a musical where the
Speaker 3: central character is not supposed to be good at singing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, which is one of the biggest fights my mom
Speaker 3: and I ever had was when I was going to
Speaker 3: Impact Performing Arts camp in Salisbury, Connecticut, where I was
Speaker 3: in camp with all the Gummer sisters as well as
Speaker 3: Lily Rabe. They were all great at acting. We were
Speaker 3: doing a review. We were supposed to choose a song.
Speaker 3: My mom said you should choose no, No, She said
Speaker 3: from Guys and Dolls Adelaide's lament because it's a character piece.
Speaker 3: And I said, I want to sing adol Weis. And
Speaker 3: she said, you are a character actress and I said,
Speaker 3: you are not an ngenoe. She was right, but I
Speaker 3: wasn't ready to see the writing on.
Speaker 1: The wall and are a character actresses?
Speaker 3: You aren't. It's the best have a mom who knows
Speaker 3: you're a character actress. Yeah, I mean, my mom played
Speaker 3: Rhett Butler in the camp play Like. That's where she
Speaker 3: because she was tall, so they always gave her the
Speaker 3: boy parts. So she was like, take what you got,
Speaker 3: put on your robe and sing adelaide cement. But I
Speaker 3: just love that Once upon a Mattress is a musical
Speaker 3: for girls who aren't naturally good at musicals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they can go because I'm actually terribly shy.
Speaker 3: My favorite one is The Swamps.
Speaker 1: Of Home Green Angle.
Speaker 3: I always forget that you're like a musical theater kid,
Speaker 3: and then it just gets me right in my heart.
Speaker 3: Then I remember when I watched Wicked.
Speaker 1: Peacock. Yeah, okay, so we got to do I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey, Right, all right, I have one. This
Speaker 1: is our sixty second second where we take some time
Speaker 1: sixty seconds great to break things across the colls. I
Speaker 1: do have something because you want our guest. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Rogers. Don't thinks of honey, directed at lean, done him.
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think, so honey, what
Speaker 1: you're about to do to role model, making him a
Speaker 1: movie star is so dangerous. I don't think, so honey,
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be able to handle it. I've been
Speaker 1: seeing Tucker rise and rise and rise. I've seen the
Speaker 1: Sally phenomenon. I said, they're making a movie star. Now
Speaker 1: we are. If you think Hudson and Connor have taken over,
Speaker 1: you're not. You fucking wait. The little tattoos all over
Speaker 1: his body, this sort of easy way with the smile,
Speaker 1: the hair that looks unstyled, but you know it is
Speaker 1: the sort of natural, charming charisma. I don't think, so honey,
Speaker 1: that we're ready for this person to show us perfection
Speaker 1: in this type of way, not to put pressure, because
Speaker 1: I think putting pressure on it would then sort of
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I would hate for any thought
Speaker 1: to run through his head. Besides, well, I'm up, I'm
Speaker 1: in a good mood. I'm gonna do my thing today.
Speaker 1: It seems like the vibe. I don't think, so honey,
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be able to get through. But I
Speaker 1: do think, so honey, that I'm gonna be there because
Speaker 1: you Mattalie Portman, Tucker, I'm in the seat.
Speaker 3: I do think sometimes and Rashida Jones kind of giving
Speaker 3: him like a little askance look. And I will say
Speaker 3: this that I showed an early cut of the movie
Speaker 3: to a friend of mine who's like a very thoughtful
Speaker 3: forty five year old writer, like who's like half queer,
Speaker 3: and she was like, you're ruining my life, yea, Like
Speaker 3: I didn't think I still had feelings like this in me.
Speaker 3: And it's funny because I so want Tucker never to
Speaker 3: feel objectified that. I literally talked to him like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: put her here, pal like I was like, I talked
Speaker 3: to him like I'm a friend's father who's just walked
Speaker 3: in from golfing and doesn't really want kids at the house.
Speaker 3: Because I so don't want him to ever feel like
Speaker 3: all of these like creepy, Like I want him to
Speaker 3: feel freedom, And I'm like, anyone can be objectified like this.
Speaker 3: I don't want this like lovely young boyd who like
Speaker 3: loves his mother Susan so much, to ever feel that
Speaker 3: he's being like.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: He has the perfect perspective on it though, because and
Speaker 2: by that I mean he has a sense of humor,
Speaker 2: but because he recently or a couple of months ago,
Speaker 2: posted something on Instagram stories where it was a meme
Speaker 2: because they have the same haircut of a famous Sean
Speaker 2: Cody porn star named Brandon, and he was like, come
Speaker 2: to the show tonight. He has an awareness of what
Speaker 2: he does to people, but doesn't flawn it too much
Speaker 2: and too flagrant of a way that he will be
Speaker 2: perfect and objectify him.
Speaker 3: He's also just a good boy, Like I was around
Speaker 3: him for long enough that if the facade was going
Speaker 3: to crack. It would have Let's just say, if someone
Speaker 3: was going to kick a rug or throw a chair,
Speaker 3: it would have happened. And he is a good boy,
Speaker 3: like he's from Maine. He gets really happy when dogs
Speaker 3: show up. There's a an ease, and he is obviously
Speaker 3: poetic and complicated. I just like love him. He's my buddy,
Speaker 3: Like I like text and pictures of my pigs all
Speaker 3: the time, and he writes lol, like and it's you know,
Speaker 3: it's very healthy to have young friends, very healthy. I
Speaker 3: love him, but he's a really good actor and it's annoying.
Speaker 3: Oh I love It's very like Brad Pitt in California,
Speaker 3: where you're like, who's that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well get ready for that who's that moment?
Speaker 1: Here's Boon Yang's I don't think so much excited, also
Speaker 1: inspired by our guest. Okay, this is boning. I don't
Speaker 1: think's money. His time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so many more places should be like
Speaker 2: the tower bar at Sunset Tower and serve what chicken
Speaker 2: pop pie? Oh, I don't care that it costs thirty
Speaker 2: four dollars like it does a tower bar price it
Speaker 2: up inflate that all you want. I know, I'm paying
Speaker 2: for something premium, even if it's pretty bad. I love
Speaker 2: the crust. And you're thinking, oh, but Bowen, it's so
Speaker 2: hard to make and it's so hard to scale up
Speaker 2: at a restaurant. Buy the puff pastry ahead of time,
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, put it in the freezer, lay it out
Speaker 2: on the on the day you'll be okay. Cut it
Speaker 2: out on just about you know, above the dish. It
Speaker 2: will be fine. It's not that hard to make. I
Speaker 2: just want it made from the expertise and curatorial sort
Speaker 2: of fifteen. I'm just pov of a chef and tier bar.
Speaker 1: I do lament.
Speaker 2: How populated it's been, it's gotten since your time there
Speaker 2: and making it a home. It's a I love going
Speaker 2: still it has a new valence to it now.
Speaker 3: It has a really new valance. That's what that is.
Speaker 3: What that was incredible. I agree with you one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: I will say, and I talked about this in the
Speaker 3: book that I during COVID, I was for a period
Speaker 3: the only guest at the Sunset Town.
Speaker 1: Incredible.
Speaker 3: There was one guest. There was a gentleman at the desk,
Speaker 3: there was a lady upstairs in eleven oh nine. She
Speaker 3: was me, I was and my dog Ingrid, who has
Speaker 3: her own relationship to that place. And because there was
Speaker 3: a lot, I could go work on my computer in
Speaker 3: the bar, I could go sit by the pool, I
Speaker 3: could go sit on the roof the Freedom. I was eloise.
Speaker 3: It was the greatest time of my life.
Speaker 1: No one knew that the burger was famous, so they
Speaker 1: couldn't charge forty six dollars for it. Well, they weren't
Speaker 1: even serving me.
Speaker 3: They were literally serving croissants wrapped in in uh, you know,
Speaker 3: croissants wrapped in whatever, like yeah, tinfoil, because they forgot
Speaker 3: the word.
Speaker 1: For a blanket too.
Speaker 3: I believe I am a vegetarian, but that's not a
Speaker 3: judgment or just But I've had them before in my
Speaker 3: pat when I was acting out of pocket and eating meat,
Speaker 3: and I loved them. But and now I was alone
Speaker 3: at the Tower Bar and it was really beautiful. And
Speaker 3: then you set one table on fire and they they
Speaker 3: did it sorry kick me out, which was incredible. What
Speaker 3: they did was look at monitor me. And now every
Speaker 3: time I see lovely Jeff, who owns a twer bar,
Speaker 3: he says, are you going to send anything on fire today?
Speaker 3: And I go, no, no, no, I don't have matches.
Speaker 3: I don't have a lighter. My husband won't let me.
Speaker 2: You can't live down something like clotting something on fire.
Speaker 2: And once you walk back into that establishment, it's tough, incredible.
Speaker 1: Well, you're about to send this whole place on fire
Speaker 1: with your I don't think somebody are.
Speaker 3: You thought them at it in advance. I can't be
Speaker 3: as good a Nicole Kinman saying bad breath, and everything
Speaker 3: will ever be as good.
Speaker 1: Listen, we're all trailing in her dust. But are you ready?
Speaker 1: This is Lena Dunham's I don't think so, honey. Her
Speaker 1: time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey. Quiet luxury, Oh I don't.
Speaker 3: If I'm going to have luxury, I want it to
Speaker 3: be loud. Yes, firstly, I'm not Since when did elegance
Speaker 3: mean that you were wearing oatmeal with bone, with beige
Speaker 3: with tan. We have so many colors, we have so
Speaker 3: many materials. Why is looking like you work at a spa? Suddenly?
Speaker 3: I signed? Did rich people get so bored with having
Speaker 3: so many things that they thought the most important things
Speaker 3: are going to be things that look like nothing? And
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey, what you're a you're a
Speaker 3: fashion blocker, and you're showing me that you have a
Speaker 3: top that looks like fifteen someone's baby's skin and at
Speaker 3: pants that look like someone else's brother, and both those
Speaker 3: people are white. I don't want it five seconds. I
Speaker 3: don't think so, honey. I When I get something and
Speaker 3: I spend a lot of money on it, I want
Speaker 3: everyone to know headlines.
Speaker 1: And that's honestly it does. I think I'm going to
Speaker 1: say something big fashion got worse when we want minimalists.
Speaker 3: The other thing to know is that, like minimalism looks
Speaker 3: very different on a person who spent twenty years creating
Speaker 3: their body, Yes, whereas like minimalism on a person who's
Speaker 3: just trying to survive? Is it different as a s Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just a shirt that looks and like what you
Speaker 3: want me to get? Spend five hundred dollars on a
Speaker 3: T shirt that looks like the one that I wore
Speaker 3: over my bathing suit when I went to the breakers
Speaker 3: with my grandma in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: Well, it looks dirty on purpose a little bit, so
Speaker 1: that's why it's more expensive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's exactly right. And it looks like someone
Speaker 3: sewed it in a Shaker community.
Speaker 1: And you can see the stitching. That's why it's eight
Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: I'm mad. I'm so mad, and I see things that
Speaker 3: I just go you're really trying to tell me this,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to indulge in fast fashion. I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to hurt the planet. I know that, but
Speaker 3: I don't want what you're offered. So I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to go to Forever twenty one. Yeah, I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to go to Forever twenty one. Thank you for giving
Speaker 3: me the space.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm gonna have to go to Forever twenty
Speaker 1: one being the poke being they that's the title of that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go Forever twenty one.
Speaker 3: The first time for Ever twenty one opened, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is a utopia.
Speaker 1: Oh one like me. It felt like something that wasn't
Speaker 1: for us in one of the things that like it
Speaker 1: was one of those moments where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're like a little gay boy and you see
Speaker 1: justin Timberlake and all the girls are excited, but you
Speaker 1: can't be no, so you get angry. That's how I
Speaker 1: felt about for Ever twenty one, they have a place
Speaker 1: to go hang out.
Speaker 2: But then we would go at NYU at the Forever
Speaker 2: twenty one Union Square and that was a haven.
Speaker 1: Well finding out that they even sold for slash ma'am.
Speaker 3: I used to like if it was a hot day
Speaker 3: and I was in a dress in my thighs, until
Speaker 3: you just pop into Forever twenty one and get a
Speaker 3: pair of like Neon bike shorts. It's only your outfit
Speaker 3: is singing.
Speaker 1: Yeah beautiful Famesick April fourteenth.
Speaker 3: I love being with you two, and it's so special
Speaker 3: to have our group chat come to life in this way.
Speaker 3: And thank you for everything you've given me friendship, changing
Speaker 3: my life, through helping me quit vaping. Reading the book
Speaker 3: so thoughtfully.
Speaker 1: We love every single page of it, just like we
Speaker 1: love everything that you've done. I mean, like it's not
Speaker 1: a lie that show you're one of the most important
Speaker 1: people to our generation in terms of pop culture, in
Speaker 1: terms of what you contributed.
Speaker 3: Life is so, life is just It's just so.
Speaker 1: That's the title of app.
Speaker 3: I Love you, guys. It's just so thanks for having
Speaker 3: me and for jacking me up for three days to
Speaker 3: take forty two benadrel.
Speaker 1: That's actually in vogue. Okay. We end every episode with
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