WEBVTT - “Life Is Just So” (w/ Lena Dunham) 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.960 Look mare, Oh, I see you my own look over 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:12.039 there is that culture. Yes, lost culture, dang dong lost 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.560 culturesa's calling this. I just want to say before we 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.360 start of launch into whatever this is gonna be. What's 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.560 making me really happy is that we're watching our guests 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.360 consume her first ever celsius on ice and a glass. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:28.120 And it's a color. 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:33.280 It's a color that serendipitously matches her outfit and choose. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:38.360 And speaking of the word serendipitous, I've had this vocal 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:43.800 stem for at least twelve years. I'm sorry. I don't 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.880 want to go to serendipity and drink frozen hot chocolates 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:51.360 with your uncle's girlfriend who is a stewardess named eld 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:56.400 The build that is right there in one line a 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:02.840 master you build? Oh, I've never forgotten that line of dialogue. 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.240 I mean, among others, among the legion of other sequences 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.800 of words on that show called Girls. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.640 But can I tell you another shorter one? Yes, I'd 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.600 like sometimes the revity like will be what hits? What 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.440 do I want to be? Like? You like? Mentally ill show? 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:26.520 You're cruel, drunk, It's it's crazy and we really had 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.920 to work with Alison to try to go back into 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:30.800 the foul cabinets of her brain when she was on 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.000 I think was that improvised line, it's crazy, it's crazy. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:39.280 But then you read this wonderful book Fame Sick, and 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.560 you get a glimpse into the creative process. Honestly, here's 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.680 the thing, everyone out there, you need this book. You 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.560 actually need to read it. It's required reading. Not that 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.600 there's going to be a test, but like, consider yourself 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.000 unprepared for the rest of sort of your life going 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:57.560 forward if you don't go out and get it. 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.320 It's not even there's no test involved. It's just a 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.120 book where and I haven't had this in a while. 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:02.960 It's one of. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:08.240 Those it's a nodder. You're nodding every page. 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:13.560 You get to recognize this, yeah, you knowing me not 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.560 at at a book like this, which I which felt 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:17.600 really refreshing. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.840 I mean, just to say this is obviously a huge 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.600 moment in the podcast. I mean, the creative of our 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.720 favorite show, the creative of our favorite words. I mean, 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:32.520 become a pal in a true love it first sight moment. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:33.160 Became a pal. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:39.440 We found love in an apple place. That's all we'll say. 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.520 Let's just say I have one photo you know how, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.160 you know how like sometimes on your iPhone, like one photo, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:48.880 like there's that thing of like this day last year, 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.760 or sometimes it's it's not even a year ago. It's 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.840 just like your phone just decides pictures that it's gonna 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.760 keep showing. Terrible are like our guest factors into oh 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.520 that for me, because it's just I'll just randomly be 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.800 flipping through and it's like, oh, there's a picture of 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:05.880 me and bo oh, there's a picture of me and Greta, 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.040 and then there's Leonadnoman and Tim Cook, just the two 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.960 of them, a gorgeous couple. My nipples erect And we 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:17.079 have to unpack this on the anniversary of Apple's fiftieth 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:21.280 birthday and Apple did they? Okay, well we'll get into this. Everyone, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:28.400 please welcome. Today is the fiftieth anniversary of Apple Computer? 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:29.440 Is it really? 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.000 And we're here together. We're here together. 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.280 Okay. So I don't know how much I can say 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:38.360 before a drone strike happens right here, But firstly, I 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.000 just want to say, it's an honor to be with you. 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:40.680 Are you kidding? 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.840 I'm a huge fan, a huge consumer of your content. 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.520 I love what you do. And when we had our 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:51.760 love at first sight moment, you says about the podcast 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.600 and I never do this, and I was like, which 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:54.520 I'd love to be on. 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.480 Yeah no, And that was See that's the kind of 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.600 thing where it's like we earmarket immediately because I'm like, oh, okay, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:01.880 that's something that can happen. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.000 I was begging for it to. I was circling the building. 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:10.760 But we spent two full and complete days together at 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:14.800 the Apple iPhone launch, which I kept saying, we're here 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.120 to understand the future. I didn't know what else to 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:19.159 say or how to say. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.599 It was that just what you were saying as a 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.320 line to the people that worked there, like, yeah, I'm 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:24.520 here to understand the future. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.040 Well, I was saying to the people who worked there, 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:27.800 and then I started to believe it. And then I 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.760 started to say it to be like care about like you. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.400 But I was like, I don't want to be left behind. 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.200 I was like, when the future comes, I want to 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.880 be there when they're having us use the tools. I 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:38.680 want to be the one running the tools. And everyone 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.840 was like, okay, babe, come down, Like you're going to 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:42.600 get a free iPhone, you can Breathe. 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:44.839 Got a new lens. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.920 Yes, I saw you to walk in. There was a 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.520 series of sort of public art arches, colorful arches, and 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.680 I was standing there awkwardly, my heels digging into the 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.599 sod and I saw you too, and I screamed a 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.880 scream that was like pure pleasure. It was like if 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:04.919 you were a wolf separated from your child in a 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:08.080 Disney movie and then you encountered them in the forest 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.480 after a full story. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.480 Yeah, that's I will say. I was like how I 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.960 said to Belle And I was like, how gagged would 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.320 you be if just to go back to like twenty 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.200 thirteen and be like, one day we're going to see 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:23.320 Leana Dunnoman event and be like thank god, oh my god. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:25.880 And I couldn't believe I was just sitting here in 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.680 such pleasure because you're better at being Alison in me 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:29.920 than Alison and me. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:31.160 Oh god. 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.480 But I will tell you I don't remember much, but 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.640 I do know that I don't want to drink frozen 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.880 hot chocolate at Serendipity with your uncle's girlfriend who's a 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:46.599 stewardess named Elidi was an improv Yeah, are you serious? Sometimes, Stuart, 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.440 do you catch lightning in a bottle sometimes. I remember 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.200 it was we were really jacked up. It was the 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.240 middle of the night. We weren't drinking Celsius but something equivalent, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:57.200 and it just happened. 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:00.880 I'm gonna butcher this because in that same line of 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.000 in that same block of script, you also say, and 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.320 mind you you're you're coked up, your characters, your hand 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.640 is coked up, and you look at me with your 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.760 eyes and you lied to me with your eyes what 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.000 you said by not saying anything at all like it 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.880 was it's just that's and that's of course that's all improvised. 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.440 And I'm like, but that's just that's just your brain. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.719 Well, that's so. We also snorted a lot of lactose powder. Yeah, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:27.080 I was wondering, and you can't know what that does, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.760 Like Andrew and I recently talked about it. We storted milk, Yeah, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.680 tons of milk off a toilet that day and what 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:39.039 came later just had to be a sinus infection had 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:41.360 we I know, we didn't feel good. We were also 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.000 dan We were dancing in a club at We arrived 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.600 at five in the morning, so by the time we 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.680 were sweaty, coked up and dancing, it was seven thirty am. Yeah, 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.400 so like this night live scene was actually us jacked 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.839 up on lactose powder. Sure, seven thirty am. And what 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.680 happens happen is improving our face, little face. What is 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.560 it that you do on RuPauls drag Race? 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.960 You did whatever? 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:08.240 Yeah? 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:12.920 That also broke open crop mesh. I think for a 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:13.640 new generation. 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.960 Thank you so much. I remember when the shirt came out. 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.880 We had an amazing costume designer, Yeah, Jen, and she 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:21.360 brought the shirt out and was like, we could do 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:22.560 a bra with it, we could take I was like, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:23.640 we're not doing anything with it. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:24.800 No, this is tits underneath. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.520 This is tits under This is my tits or my accessory. 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.440 And also, you don't know in your twenties how much 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.160 they're going to change. You don't know, Yeah, your tits. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.520 And I was thinking about this recently because I have 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:38.960 a pal who lives with me who's in her twenties 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.680 and they're just up like champagne flutes. And I just 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.800 looked and I was like, take advantage, take photos, be topless. 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:47.680 When you're doing a TV show and they asked you 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.080 if you want to broad underneath your. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.240 Mesh, say no, because someday you're going to be wearing 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:57.280 three T shirts and a sweater just to hold it back, 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:57.800 you know. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.160 So on this topic, do you want to unpack the 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.080 reason why your nipples went erect next to Tim Cook? 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:05.960 It was crazy. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.400 It's okay if it's attraction. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.960 It was definitely like, he's got what do we call it, swag, 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:15.280 he's got riz whatever is going on, whatever that thing 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.560 is gonna be next week. But I also think like 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.760 the panic of you have two minutes with which to 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.960 properly engage with this person. I mean, I kept saying 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.800 things like I love your products. I was saying things 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.760 that I'd never imagine come out of my mouth. And 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.120 then I looked down and like, for the first time 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.480 in fifteen years, my nipples were standing at attention. And 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.600 I looked at the photo and it truly looks like 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.079 one of those pictures you see of like a married 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.400 couple that has moved to a vacation destination. 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.760 To be on my phone. This is a picture that 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:49.720 I treasure. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.719 Yeah, we look like and I remember coming up to 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.400 it and being like, I just took the picture with him. 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.240 My nipples popped out and popped right back in. Don't 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.359 know why don't know how portrait mode. He's got searing eye. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:01.800 Okay, so this is something. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.080 I happened, like you incredibly blue searing eyes. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.520 That's so about a few months later. Yeah, I actually 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.520 was at the same restaurant as him when I was 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.040 in DC. Remember this, Melissa. We Melissa came and sang 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:14.920 back up for me on my tour. We're at a 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.360 restaurant and then Melissa for your service. Everyone goes and 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.079 and Melissa knew that I had met him at that event. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.720 So the waiter comes over to our table and goes, 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.320 I do have to ask you guys, if you're finished, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.560 If you don't mind, I never do this. It's just 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.640 that Tim Cook has your table after you and we 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.120 go what And I was like, not sure they were 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.320 supposed to do that anyway. I'm like, yes, we'll go, 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.280 we'll go, We'll go. And then someone goes, are you 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.280 going to say hi on the way out? I was like, no, 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.480 I am not. And then they go, well, why not, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:45.880 I mean you've met the guy once. I was like, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.920 I am not saying hello to Tim Cook on the 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:50.880 way out of here. I was like I don't want. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.760 Tim and being like we met for two minutes in 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:53.440 a picture line. 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.720 You remember, everyone I was with was like expecting it 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.240 to happen, and so they described me running by him 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.560 like he was standing at the bar. I got on 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:07.120 the ground and basically used all my paths of all 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.760 my feet and hands to like crawl out, and they 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.880 were like, what you just did to not say hi 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.080 to him is the craziest thing we've ever seen. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.360 What's crazy is if I saw him in the wild, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.520 I would never recognize him again. In my brain he 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.600 looks like Steve Jobs. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.120 Yeah, well you're like, it can't be. 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.560 It can't be. But also his face, which was so 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.800 clear to me in that moment, like we'd been waiting 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.160 for each other our whole lives and gone disappeared into 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:31.920 a puff of smoke. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:32.240 No. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.600 And it's interesting because we were there together and we 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.080 didn't totally know. I mean, everyone was being really nice, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.520 but we didn't totally know what our job was. What 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.360 are we here for? What do you want from us? 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:44.720 I like clear instructions. 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.440 It felt like the beginning of the Westing Game or 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:50.920 like an Agatha Christie the Westing Game. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.640 Well, I love the Westing Game too, And you kind 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.320 of just shove something through me. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:57.959 I saw our project Wheel do together. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.000 Did they ever make a movie of the West? 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.800 I'm sure I looked this up. I think they did 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.600 beca Can you look up if they did The Western Game? 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.959 Maybe in the eighties early nineties for television. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.080 Books that are like part of a genre of like 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.280 mysteries for children, like suspense for children. There was one 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.920 that I loved. I don't know if you ever called 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.160 the Wolves of Willoughby Chase, No anything. It was. It 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.520 was like about a girl. I loved books about like 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.040 a girl who is an orphan and she moves to 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.480 a house and something's not quite right. Yeah, and she 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.520 gets out her little book and pencil. That's exactly right. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.080 And I wanted to be that child. And the Westing Game? 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:37.880 And also did you like The Giver? 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:42.680 Of course the Giver wasn't Taylor Swift in The Giver? Giver, Yiver? 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.959 She played an important memory. In The Giver, she. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.839 Played an important memory and remember his child. It was 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:51.280 an important memory in all of our lives. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.080 Of course, I think about the Giver because she's a brunette. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:55.280 In The Giver she is. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.280 But that's what you think about it, That's what. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.480 I think about it. Is because she was a brunette 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.839 with bang yes and I loved it. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.640 Every time that doesn't get spoken of her Giver era, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.800 it's real culture number thirteen. No one talks about Taylor's 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.920 Giver era was so amazing fast. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:14.959 It's amazing to be on something that you're a fan 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.200 of because I'm watching this thing I love, but I'm here. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:23.000 Well just to speak on that. It's funny like because 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.240 everyone did the girls rewatch moment and that that had 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.600 to feel like which is ongoing. I feel, yeah, well 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.920 it's it. Definitely it started. I would have say, like 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.520 twenty twenty two, it started to really catch fire, like 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:36.840 we're all rewatching this. But I wonder how it feels 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.800 to know that, Like at the time everyone was like, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.000 I don't understand how someone can be in it and 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.960 capture it. But as a time capsule it may be 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.360 growing into its purpose even more as a time capsule 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:50.000 of that era. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.760 That is for me the greatest thing because if we 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.880 think about it, like I remember jud appata One was 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.680 saying to me, you never really we think the most 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.760 important moment of anything's life is when it comes out 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.640 and the internet's responding people, But actually you don't know 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.480 the role that anything plays until it's been. 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:09.559 In the world for a long time, right. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.920 Like we all now recognize that My so called Life 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:14.200 is the greatest teen show of all time. It was 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.959 canceled after one season. My best friend Matt Wolf did 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:20.280 put together a petition which was signed by over ten 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:22.800 thousand people that to try to get it back on 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:28.080 the air, but shockingly was it. ABC didn't didn't listen 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.280 to a fifteen year old head of his gay straight 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.000 alliance in San Jose. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:34.040 Big problem, and. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:38.440 That's a big problem with television because that's who we 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:39.320 need to be serving. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.520 And we would have had more than one season and 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:42.480 freaking gigs then too. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.520 Of course we would have had more than one season. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.880 Have been lightened, we would have, But we can't have 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:47.480 nice things. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:52.280 Here's the thing we were just talking. People are so 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.800 so much smarter than they are when they're like, Hi, 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.080 I'm promoting a movie and I'm behind it. It's like 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.160 they walk off camera and they're like, I don't know about. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.000 This, yeah, And then they even if it's a hit, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.880 sometimes they don't know about it. Because some things that 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.000 hit with culture are actually hitting on like the worst 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.280 parts of us, right, and some things, and we now 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:12.360 know that lots of brilliant actors have had to do 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:15.120 things that they So it's just an interesting thing to think, like, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.719 there are things that hit and you go, everyone's talking 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.480 about it, but what will be happening in five, ten, fifteen, 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.040 twenty years. And when we were making Girls, there were 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.400 so much sort of feedback, probably more we had more 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.360 people reviewing it than watched it, honestly, and I. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.560 Believe this and I have discussion. It was something that 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.480 was paramount exactly. 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.160 And then it's really nice when something's out of its 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:43.600 discussion phase and now people are just maybe getting to 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.160 like watch it in a cozy context, and also they 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.280 don't have to be reacting to the reaction to the 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.280 reaction or thinking does this define what it feels like 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.480 for me to be twenty four? Does this feel like 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:58.720 it reflects? But actually can just engage with it as 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.520 what it was. There's some TikTok sound where the girl's like, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.400 she's like, I don't know, I'm just being goofy, and 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:05.960 sometimes they feel about the time, I'm like, I'm just 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:10.920 being goofy. Yeah, And when there's that much discussion, you're like, 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:13.320 and now I think people can maybe go like they 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:16.760 were just being goofy, and actually that's more meaningful in 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:17.000 a way. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.800 Oh good, because but I think what what Matt's saying 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:21.680 is like you captured it while you were in it, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.520 and I think it's kind of not even kind of 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.440 it's completely remarkable that you were able to maintain that 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:35.080 sort of valence throughout despite the discourtillan you just whatever, probably. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.800 He'll always use valance and like that beautiful. 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:38.760 It's beautiful. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:42.480 But like the fact that you maintained this throughout. And 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:43.800 I was even lapping in the book where you were 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:45.760 like talking about the last season, you were writing scenes 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.880 that made no sense, like you know, Shoshana goes to. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.600 Goes to a newdist camp because a show is so hard, 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:54.360 and you're like, I'm going to really shock them, and 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.240 then you're like, this isn't chocking. Shoshana wandered down the 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:02.040 road to a nudist camp. Feelso true, Rember. There was 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:03.920 a lot of I always knew where I wanted the 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.920 show to end from the beginning, which is I wanted 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.720 to have a baby latching, but I was like, how 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.120 do we get there? And what does that look like? 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:15.560 And there was definitely some crawling around in the mud 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.280 to arrive at that. I mean, I remember, just like 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.960 it was like a maniacal detective. I had like one 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:25.120 hundred and fifty you know, index cards that I was spread. 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.000 I have these pictures of me like sitting in a 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.880 sea of index cards on my floor, just being like, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.480 what if we don't I remember one day I was like, Okay, 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.960 I have this crazy idea. We don't have a season finale. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.160 We do an episode nine and then we stop. And 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.920 they were like, but that would then be this season finale, 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.560 and I was like, okay. It's like my father told 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.520 me a story about when he did acid for the 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:48.680 first time, and he looked at his friend and said, 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.840 what if we raise our children with no egos? And 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:56.160 they thought that they'd like solved in They kind of did, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.760 but you can't necessarily maintain that when you're not on 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.200 a heavy dose. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.280 Of LSDA, And they would have to just make sure 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.840 that when the baby came into the world immediately they 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.520 give them the same dose exactly. I see, it's a dome. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:09.560 This is all fake. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.199 This is all fake. Do a full Truman show. But 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.119 I was having a what if we raise our babies 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.840 with no egos. What if we just forsake the season 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:21.080 finale b low everybody's mind. Yeah, they're just it's another day, 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:26.040 it's over. Yeah, but you can't game the system that way. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.200 We all would have arrived at that same exact idea 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:31.479 had we been showed like creating, starring, running a show, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.080 directing episodes of the show while we were at the 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.120 tender age of twenty six twenty seven. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.040 Definitely, reriting the book made me realize how crazy it 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:46.240 is to give jobs of any consequence. And as I again, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.080 another quote from my father always says, there are no 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:52.119 art emergencies, Yeah, because like you know, people love to 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:55.560 act like they're actually Like, my aunt is an emergency 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.160 room doctor. Sometimes she would have to treat someone who's 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.200 like leg got caught in a subway door. That is emergency. Yeah, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.720 season finale actually not an emergency, but it was still 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:10.400 a job that involved actual interfacing with many people and engaging. 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.040 And I'm I just look back and I go, that 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.840 is so like I see people are that. Ah, now 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.080 you should still be inside your mother's body. 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.360 Yeah right, yeah, no, that's you should be a Joey 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:20.040 in a kangaroo. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:21.879 You should be a Joey in a kangaroo and no 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.119 one should let you out till you're thirty two. Yeah, 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.479 And so a lot of the book was grappling that. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.919 And what was interesting was I was so judgmental of 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.280 myself at the time, and looking back, I was like, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.560 oh my god, Like, they're definitely they're definitely low points. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.040 But there are definitely some moments where I was like, 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.480 I should have been nicer to you. You were doing 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.440 you were trying so hard and it was going okay. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:46.200 And trying actually trying things. I mean, there were moments 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.320 in that show where I was like, I would sit 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:52.040 perplexed with it. I remember just being a huge fan 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.080 of the show and the first season had come and gone, 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.560 and the second season happened, and there's an episode where 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:01.359 your Hannah is at the cemetery and she sits there 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:05.280 and she parrots back a story that someone else had 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.520 told about their own grief to someone else, and the 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.960 episode ended, and I remember being like, at the time, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:15.639 I was like, I didn't I didn't like that episode. 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:17.760 I can't believe she did that, and I didn't like 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.800 that episode. And then now looking back, I'm like, no, 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.359 I think I saw something true, and I think there's 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:29.160 a testament to you putting that out there, even at 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.800 that age when you know discourses really tough and you're 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.520 judging yourself. There's a lot of checkpoints to get through 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.520 when you put on your lead character who's like, you know, 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.920 close to yourself doing an ugly thing. And she did 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.720 a lot of ugly things, all those characters did. 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.119 I always forget how many ugly things she did. And 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.160 then someone was like, oh, I just watched the episode 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:52.800 came up to the Street, and I just watched the 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.240 episode where she goes to her boss's funeral and makes 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.720 it all about herself. And I was like, she did 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.800 that exactly right. You can't go to somebody's funeral that 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:02.439 you don't know well and make it all about yourself. 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.320 And I remember that being that the scene in the cemetery. First, 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.280 I remember it because I fainted and then the medic said, 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.240 I think you're okay because you still have rosiness in 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:16.679 your finger now beds, and I was like, I think 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:20.119 you are a medical professional. I think this on a 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.359 TV set on it I was like, I remember he 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.240 laid me back and he was like, rosy nail beds. 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:27.920 Check and I was like, this pel's check. I think 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.320 we need to get some gatorade in this girl's stat 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.720 and I so that is one memory I have with 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:35.560 the others. I remember doing that monologue where she's like, 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:39.160 my cousin had cystic fibrosis and I had to which 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:42.600 was actually a true That story was a true story 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:47.320 about my father's cousin. That is real and sad that 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:50.280 we then gave to Gabby that we then gave to me. 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.600 And I remember feeling sick doing the monologue because there 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:54.960 were a couple of things, like there's a scene in 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.960 the first season where Hannah tries to seduce her boss 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:00.920 who's sexually harassing her to turn the tables and reclaim 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:03.359 and also tried to like maybe get a bunch of 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.280 back pay. She's like, maybe if we fucked, then he'll 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.280 have to give me a ton of money. And I 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:11.399 remember the scene and being like, who wrote this for me? 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.399 Why am I doing? Why am I? Richard Maser a kind, talented, 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.960 seasoned character actor. I'm about to go in and straddle aggressively. 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.199 And then I saw him recently because he came and 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.719 did a part in my movie, and he was like, 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:30.919 I haven't seen you since that's straddling, But it was 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.080 hard sometimes because I was like, also, I knew that 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.919 the valance was is it a valance? I knew that 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:42.440 the curtain between how people perceived her and perceived me 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:46.639 it was extremely sheer. So I also knew when I 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:49.760 made those choices, and what I loved thinking about writing 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:54.360 book was also like Zasha, Jemia, Allison all have. I mean, 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:58.879 you've been Alison. She's the most correct. She's hilarious and dirty, 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.600 but she's also correct and polite. She wants everything you 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:03.639 need to know about her. She once got tendonitis from 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:04.760 writing too many thank you. 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:10.600 Notes, and her thank you note writing life, her. 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:15.320 Thank you not writing life, and she and Zasha is 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.680 incredibly smart and thoughtful, and Jemima is her own iconic Roland. 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:21.960 And they were all so down to clown. Yeah, Like 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:23.800 you'd go up to them and you'd be like, today, 0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:29.200 today you are going to get your ass eaten by 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:31.880 your friend's boyfriend and they'd be all right, here we go. 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.440 The one time I remember, we gave Alice in a 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:38.040 monologue where she was supposed to say that she'd lost 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:42.040 her virginity at fourteen, and she was like what And 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:43.760 I was like, yeah, she lost her virginia when she 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:45.720 was fourteen, and she was like, that doesn't really square 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:48.040 with like how I've been thinking about her very thoughtfully. 0:22:48.520 --> 0:22:50.600 She's like, you know, I've been playing her in one way. 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.240 And Jemimah came up and she's like, what would you 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:53.760 have been doing if you knew she lost her virginia 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.000 at fourteen? Oh, Marnie, And then she did this like 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.600 voice of like the alternate Martie who told this because 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:04.639 she lost to virginity at fourteen, and we were just like, Okay, 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:06.960 we're not going to be precious about this, We're just 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:08.680 going to try it. And then she talked about losing 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:10.520 virginia at fourteen and fucking crushed it. 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.520 Yeah, this is what's going on in my This is 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:16.480 my take on what the person coming up to you saying, 0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:18.440 oh I just saw the episode where about the funeral 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.399 and this is and with what Matt saying about like, 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:22.760 I don't like what I just saw and then realizing 0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:25.960 in hindsight that's me is like I think the show 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:30.440 kind of conveyed this better than anything else in our 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.639 for our generation, where it's like the person you hate 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.680 the most or the person that annoys you the most 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.919 is would be you if they grew up and lived 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:40.640 in your exact same circumstances. 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.720 One I remember my first ever therapist shout out Lisa Spiegel. 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:48.800 She a truly important woman in my life. And I 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.439 remember I was talking about a girl that I was 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:53.480 not cool at school and I was like, there's this 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.040 one girl and I just can't stand her and every 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:57.879 time she sits near me, and she was like, do 0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.960 you think maybe you recognize a little bit of yourself 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:04.560 in her? And it was like, I mean, I was nine, 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:05.959 so it was like saying, what if we raise our 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:08.879 kids with no egos? It blew my fucking mind. But 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:12.679 of course, and I've always been interested in I remember 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.840 like the first time I saw the British Office, I was, Oh, 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:16.960 you're allowed to do this, Like you're allowed to celebrate 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:21.400 characters who are making insane mistakes. And I love when 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.720 a character does not who You know when you meet 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.960 someone and they're like, I'm a very empathic person and 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.320 you know whatever comes after is not going to be empathic. 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:32.359 Or they say no offense and whatever comes after is 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:33.240 going to offend you. 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:35.400 How do you know I don't want to hear this then. 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:39.560 Yeah, one percent, Or when my brother last week started saying, 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:41.359 can I be real for a second a lot? And 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.719 I was like, no, I don't like it. 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:45.120 What are you the other second? Yeah? 0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:47.399 What was happening before? And why is this happening to 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.880 me now? But I've always been interested in characters who 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.080 see themselves very differently than the rest of the world 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:57.080 sees them, and that gap. And it's interesting also because 0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.000 people now know that you're not allowed to say It's 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:01.680 the same way that the Daily Mail stopp being allowed 0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:02.840 to call you fat, so they had to call you 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:06.880 voluptuous or zef dig or whatever other synonym they could 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.720 come up with for what they used to say, which 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.680 was like messy, yeah, fat lady m hm. And now 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.480 people know that they're not supposed to be angry. If 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:20.080 women are unlikable, there's a new word that is being 0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:25.160 used that comes up in notes, Are they rootable? 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:29.080 Routable? Meaning can we root for them? Is there any 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.120 world in which we could want them to succeed? 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.199 Correct? And I do think that is being likable and 0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.320 being rootable or two different things. But it was also 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.320 always really interesting when Girls was on to realize that 0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.919 people could accept the idea of like Tony soprano, they 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:44.199 could accept the idea of Walter White just like a 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.560 girl giving like an errant hand job. Was truly the 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.520 biggest societal problem that we had, and I think that 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.400 feels very quaint to people now. And also now there's 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.679 all the like I have main character syndrome, main I'm 0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:58.560 the main character of my own life. Like there's sort 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:02.159 of a celebration of this kind of like delirious selfishness 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:05.119 that before was considered a major character flaw. So I 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:07.359 think there's like more room in the world. It feels 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.200 to me it's funny because women have never had more 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:15.480 problems actually, but on television there's space to wild out 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:16.600 just a little bit more. 0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:20.720 I almost feel like people actually think that they I 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.280 think people think they love and support women because they 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:26.680 watched television with them in it, and then they convinced 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.600 themselves of something, and then the second they turn away, 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:32.720 it's like, well, I've already spent my time thinking and 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:34.960 supporting Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I think it's 0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:40.240 so much more prevalent than people, and it is so interesting. 0:26:40.280 --> 0:26:43.360 I mean, they're great theorists who are looking at sort 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.000 of like the gap between what we accept in media 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.080 and what we accept in the world, and we supported 0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:49.920 media and what we support in the world. But it 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:51.760 was interesting because when we were doing Girls, it was 0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:54.120 kind of, you know, it was like it was Obama era. 0:26:54.240 --> 0:26:56.719 Everything was going to be okay, well try it. We 0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.199 were on our way up. Everything like there was a 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:01.560 even though of course there was lots of consequence in 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.959 the world that I didn't have a full complete understanding 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.600 of because I was like inside a sound stage and 0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:09.320 didn't know what time it was. There was it felt 0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:11.760 like the world was we were going to a women's march, 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.600 we were having being sent pussy hats. Everything was happening, 0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:20.280 and now there's been a profound backtracking. I don't know 0:27:20.280 --> 0:27:22.560 if you remember something called me Too, but I don't 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:27.960 think it happened. It didn't reach a lot of corners 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:33.320 of the world. But we know that we're supposed to 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.800 think that women can be naughty on TV, right. 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:42.080 That that's somehow sustained, It's survived that for fucking. 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:43.840 And I want that. I want Rachel Wess to be 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.320 naughty on TV. Don't get me wrong. Always, That's why 0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:47.840 I'm alive. 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:48.720 No one does it better. 0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:52.400 I mean I was, I was watching her. I mean 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:55.840 direct to camera address from Rachel Weiss. We don't deserve, 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:58.720 We don't deserve. Also, I love how the whole time 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:00.400 she's like, I'm old and ugly and no one will 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.000 look at me. And I was like, you're the single 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:03.160 most beautiful woman. 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.600 You're actually a famously iconic for your Like I'll never 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.240 forget the first time I saw her in the Mummy movies. 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:13.199 Oh it's OK. That's like an arresting image for all times. 0:28:13.240 --> 0:28:16.680 Like she's almost more so if you're not even attracted 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:17.840 to women, because you go, what am I? 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:18.320 Yeah? 0:28:18.440 --> 0:28:19.680 Right, what am I? 0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.440 I know I have questions and they come from. 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:26.440 You, ms Weiss. But that being said, yeah, she's she's 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.120 she's an iconically beautifulman. But at the same time, any 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:32.399 iconically beautiful woman who is over fifty is still dealing 0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:33.120 with these same things. 0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.480 Right, But it's so funny to bring up some jo 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:37.600 except for who Jayla? 0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:43.280 Naturally and now a quick break from our sponsor, Vital 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:44.560 Proteins and it is. 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:49.600 Vital Collagen peptides is a wellness supplement that supports healthy hair, skin, nails, bones, 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:50.560 and joints. 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:54.200 When we hit thirty, our body's collagen production starts to drop, 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.520 and that's when Vital Protein steps in. 0:28:56.440 --> 0:29:02.160 Their iconic blue tub is everywhere. 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This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.520 or prevent any disease. 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:34.960 But I feel like. 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:42.040 You just had this locus of chaos happening around you 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.320 around the time of like this quote unquote Reckoning with 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:50.440 Me Too, where it's like the show ends, this relationship 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.000 is on its is on the outs, like all these 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:55.600 these things about your body are sort of coming to 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:56.280 light for you. 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:57.840 Like that's that. 0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.000 That was My takeaway from the book was just like, oh, 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:04.200 how are you writing this with in such clear, gorgeous 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:07.760 detail while you're talking about how you are in this 0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.760 like long dissociated stay and how you've grown up with 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:15.040 like these little flashes of dissociation and like hospital feeling 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:19.360 your hospital, like you for something is going on with 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:22.080 me and I'm ignoring my basic needs while I'm making 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.480 the show in the name of ambition and all these things. 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:27.040 And I have to prove something right about the way 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.040 the world sees me and sees the show now that 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.280 like the dust is settled, Like I hope you're so 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:34.440 proud of everything. 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:38.280 That is a beautiful thing to say, and thank you. 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.960 And I think the thing that was really lovely about 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:42.520 writing the book was I had a really long time 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.240 to do it. I mean, I wrote my first book 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.280 in eight months. I wrote this book in eight years. 0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:47.080 Which we also loved. 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:52.000 Thank you, thank you so much. And and I don't 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:53.720 only want I didn't want to do it for the 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.520 sake of you know, there's I've been asked to do, 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.200 like do a girl's rewatch podcast, get Together with the Girls, 0:30:59.240 --> 0:31:02.320 And I mean, people love nostalgia, and I love nostalgia. 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:04.320 And like, do I want to watch the whole cast 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.400 of OC respond to episodes of the OC? Yes, I do, 0:31:08.640 --> 0:31:11.360 t Donovan, I want to watch tit donovan watch anything, 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.200 but I'm interested in like forward motion and forward progression, 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.240 and so I haven't Maybe there will be a time 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.880 when I go I'd like to live watch every episode 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.280 of Girls, but I haven't gotten in the yet. But 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:24.120 I only wanted to write the book if I felt 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.800 like I had something to say about the larger machine 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:30.200 in which women are working, in which people are working 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.960 about like the larger I do think that Hollywood is 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:39.240 a microcosm, and it reflects the way the industry works, 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.440 the way that we see people reflect things that exist 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:43.880 in a lot of parts of the world, because it's 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.920 like where the the center, it's our It's interesting because 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.920 Hollywood is very kind of comparatively small industry where where 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.960 we have chosen to center our attention. It's a distraction, 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:59.920 it's a it's an indulgence, but it also has something 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.080 bigger to say about the way that we live. And 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.280 so I only wanted to write the book if I 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.960 felt like I had something to say about all of 0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:12.320 that and about while also being hopefully thoughtful about the 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:16.040 fact that like a tiny thousand tiny violins play for 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:17.520 the girl who's like my TV show was too. 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:18.240 Hard, but. 0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:23.240 So thank you for saying that, and I it was 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.080 interesting to realize how much I did do I had 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:28.200 always had my talk about in the book. I'd always 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:32.480 had dissociated episodes throughout childhood. The more that my life 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:34.280 picked up and the more stress was involved, the more 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.680 they happened. But I think at the time I thought 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.920 ignoring your basic needs was correct. I thought, like, if 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:43.000 you're really good at being a person, you can suppress 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.600 and override everything that you need in order to be 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.840 comfortable for the city. And you know, we've all been 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.920 sent a million signals about what ambition, what's important, what 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.840 ambition means, what you know, who we have to be 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.880 in this sort of in I'm about to say, under capitalism, 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:01.520 send me to jail, but. 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:04.800 And so capitalist in jail. 0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.000 Yeah, send me to capitalist jail. Send me to a 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.760 private prison, sorry, where they'll treat me the way I've 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:16.280 always treated myself. But but I want to tell you 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.520 that something is happening inside me. Not a bad way, 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.520 good way. But I just kind of like, my nipples 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:24.040 aren't wreck But I did stand at attention. 0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:26.000 You felt the free song? 0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.000 Yeah, Like there's a is there a moment when you're 0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:32.480 drinking yourself you go, it's on. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. It's 0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.120 a little bit like when you try drugs with deference 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:36.840 for your first time and you go, is it working 0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:40.959 on you? Is it working on you? It's working? And 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.400 also because I'm sober and now thanks to you, this 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:45.840 one vape free? 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.120 Oh is this where we is this where we entree 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.440 into this discussion. I was just going to say one 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.280 one more before we do that. I just want to 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:56.400 say that the one thing about girls that that it's 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.200 so much of it terrified me at the time because 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.600 I was like, I'm I think I'm feeling comfortable because 0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:02.600 it's me. A lot of it was Marny, I know, 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:04.080 are you a Marnie? Yeah? 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:04.560 What are you? 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.240 I think I'm I'm probably a show. 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.160 I was going to say that, yeah, And you know, 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:13.040 I've been public about the fact that I'm a shosh. 0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.680 You're and you told us this, Yeah. 0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.240 I'm a show, you're a I've grown into a shosh. 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.680 Yeah. It's kind of like it's not to not to invoke. 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.640 But it's like with the Hogwarts houses. My whole thing 0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:29.879 was like, listen, I was born a gryffindor yep. In 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:33.000 my twenties, I was a Slytherin. Right now, I'm a 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.400 huffle puff. I will die a raven claw, you know 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:37.200 what I mean. Like it's like that's sort of what 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:39.600 it feels like. It's like that with the girls. 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.920 Girls, well, well like in my in high school, I 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:46.279 was a Charlotte yea. Then I turned into a Samantha. Yes, 0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.960 had a moment thinking I was a Carry and I 0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:51.439 will be a Miranda for the rest of my life. 0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:55.000 But even maybe up to the part where she gets 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.399 together with cha. You know, yeah, I think we can't. 0:34:58.440 --> 0:34:59.279 We can't rule it out. 0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.400 Been is maybe a chay uh huh uh huh. He 0:35:03.400 --> 0:35:04.319 doesn't want to hear that. 0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:06.960 Who does He's fingering you in the kitchen. 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.280 I it could, it could happen. 0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:12.240 I want me to talk about your marriage. 0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:14.759 I'm sorry when you said it, I was almost like 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:16.680 I was almost like, let's call him, Like, I don't know, 0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:19.400 I'd love to talk about my marriage. But you know, 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.239 we're five years saying things really things really settle in, 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:23.040 they're simmering. 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.239 Yeah, I guess what. I what I'm what was the 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.160 big pull for me at the end when I was 0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.040 like really sitting with it and then the rewatch too. 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:33.359 I confirmed. I was like, Wow, you don't stay friends 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:35.799 with everyone forever. And the fact that. 0:35:35.719 --> 0:35:37.600 Pil Robbins calls it the Great Scattering. 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:39.839 Yes, yeah, the Great Scattering. She does call it that. 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.160 But that whole last season is kind of about like 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.279 them realizing that I imagine, like you know what I mean, 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.000 Like they're they're moving into their different lives, like all 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.480 of a sudden, there's something solidifying hearing you didn't know 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:52.279 what was coming now, but it is coming now in 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:56.640 this sadness that comes with that, not even the acceptance 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.560 of the idea that you might have to accept it, 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.400 And that I think is one of the truest things 0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:03.120 about the show. 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.600 I don't know about you, but I held on really tight. 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.880 I was really scared for the Great Scattering. I held on. 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.319 I mean, I think my friends and I talked to 0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.480 each other in our twenties. If I look back, it's 0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.120 like people in a relationship, it's like we're act It's 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.320 like I feel like it's been a little strange lately, 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.399 and you're not responding to me the way and it's like, now, 0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:26.040 I would never say that to a friend in a 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:28.719 fucking million years, because I'm like, what happen. You've got 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:31.920 a big, complicated life. We're all trying to just get 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:35.640 through this thing, and it's what happens. And you know, 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.560 the show was also interesting because it was all about 0:36:38.600 --> 0:36:41.680 these friendships, but I was also literally always on set. 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:43.680 So the friendships I talk about this, the friendships that 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.520 it was about, were then affected by the fact that 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.840 I wasn't around, and then was it was this big. 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.839 It was like I went to sleep one day and 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.600 then or like stepped onto this into Hannah's apartment one day, 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.759 and then I got out when I was thirty and 0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.160 I was like, I'm back, guys, and they were all like, 0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:06.279 we're pregnant. Yeah, like you are looking for a boyfriend 0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:12.600 on Delancey Street. Were pregnant and I was like, anybody 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:14.479 want to hear about my hysterectomy And they're like, we 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:19.200 are wearing clogs in Brooklyn together. And I remember being 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.040 like going to visit my friends and being like, I'm 0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:25.319 that weird aunt lady that's like comes in and she's like, 0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:26.960 I've brought you guys scarves. 0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:30.319 I was, well, I was traveling and you know what 0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.360 that means, Yes, little gifts gifts for everyone. 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.960 My mom had a friend. My mom had has a 0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.279 lot of wonderful, eccentric friends, but I remember she had 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:40.879 one friend who didn't have kids who came over once 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:43.000 because she wanted to take some photos of our hairless 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:47.080 cat to work into a video art piece. Naturally, yes, 0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:50.120 And she was wearing like full issy Miyaki pleats please, 0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.200 and she I saw a tattoo on her hand and 0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:55.479 she was like she was. I loved her partially because 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.359 she was the only chubby woman that I really knew, 0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.200 because downtown was not rife with those, but all so 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.040 she was writing a Semiaki pleats please, and I said, 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:03.359 I like your tattoo, and she said, do you want 0:38:03.360 --> 0:38:07.200 to see my others? And she dropped her pants and 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:14.080 she had like a full uh like constellation of all 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:17.920 of the constellations on her like big beautiful ass on 0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:19.839 her ass. And I was like, that's what I want 0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.759 to be. I would never drop my pants in front 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:23.280 of a child. 0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:25.920 No, I want that to be the If you did, 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:26.640 you'd be her. 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:28.839 If I did, that was a different time, but if 0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:32.120 I but I do. I got comfortable with the idea 0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:33.560 of like I'm going to come in to take a 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:35.479 picture of your hairless cat for a video art piece, 0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.839 and you're going to say, do you and there you're 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:39.880 going to say, what's that tattoo? And I'm going to say, 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:41.759 I've made some mistakes, and it's just a. 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:42.840 Matter I've made some mistakes. 0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:44.719 It's just a matter of if your friends want to 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.120 stick around for that, you know what I mean. Like, 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.719 I think The Show Girls is about a friendship, a 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:53.560 group of friends sort of. I mean, friendship is in 0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.359 tropic it's like it's it's just inevitable. And I think 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.520 that's what the book is about. It's about like a 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:02.239 friendship sort of sort of splitting up. And that's that's 0:39:02.320 --> 0:39:04.120 kind of that's like the most universal thing you can 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:04.640 write about. 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:06.799 I remember once saying to my mom, like, it's so sad. 0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:08.319 I used to know all these people that I don't 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.440 know anymore. And she's like, that's called being alive. Like 0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:13.680 she was like, have you ever heard of like Judith 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:15.279 Garrigan And I was like no, and she's like, well 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.239 she was my best friend till you were three. Yeah, 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.400 and then she drank a lot. There's that's an instance. 0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:23.080 And I still look I used. 0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.080 To look another human being in the eyes and say 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.480 we will die together. I haven't spoken to them in 0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:28.160 thirty years. 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:29.600 Yes, by the. 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:34.080 Way, we don't speak outside of this representatives. 0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:34.799 And the thing about whether your friends want to stick 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.040 around for that, Like, that's one of the reasons I 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:40.720 think I've had such prolonged and beautiful friendships with queer 0:39:40.760 --> 0:39:44.920 men is because because since my life didn't nessarily conform 0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.359 to some of the milestones that I thought it would right, 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.560 being friends with people who had a different idea about 0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:56.440 what family and adulthood could mean was like deeply important 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:56.640 to me. 0:39:56.800 --> 0:39:59.920 Yeah, there was commonality there where. Yeah, you may have 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.359 tried to find it somewhere else. 0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:03.480 I thought that I was supposed to be And by 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.040 the way, I love all those women and they are 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.400 still my friends. But I thought I was supposed to 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:12.920 be in Bushwick but have moved out of the smaller 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.359 place into the townhouse and be wearing the clogs. And 0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:19.840 actually I was supposed to be at the Essulon resort 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.640 in the Hot Springs with a buff acupuncturists. 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:28.680 Yeah, of course, yes, shout out to Russell. I just yeah, 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.319 I just feel like it's just in terms of like 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.040 the way you write character, it's like obviously there's a 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:38.480 couple huge The book is really about like relationships, and 0:40:38.520 --> 0:40:42.040 there's two relationships that you just you lose by the 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.040 end of the book. But what I wanted to say was, 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:48.560 you've always created some of the best characters of our generation. 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:52.320 But the way that you write these people in your life, 0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:57.440 it's like such a beautiful thing, a testament to the 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.680 place that they held in your life. And I feel like, 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.520 if you have anything in you and I'm sure you do, 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:05.440 I'm positive you do, which is like nervous about how 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.520 they're going to receive it, which of course you are 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:08.440 going to because. 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:09.880 Of course, whenever you make something, you make it for 0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:11.480 like two people, and they're probably the two people who 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:12.920 won't even look at it. That's life. 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.759 But the thing is like, the way you've written them 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.040 is so beautiful. Because what I love about what you do, 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.640 even if sometimes you were fighting with yourself, because you 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.040 might feel a different way about these two people on 0:41:23.120 --> 0:41:26.320 any given day, it's like it feels like you always 0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.720 held true to I'm going to try and three sixty 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:32.520 flesh this person out as much as you can, because 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.640 you know, with these relationships like Jenny and Jack, you 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:38.360 get a sense of both their humor, you get a 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:41.280 sense of both their positive oddities. You get a sense 0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.320 of them on all of their best days. 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:47.240 They're the two funniest, most special, and most defining relationships 0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:51.120 of twenty to thirty. I mean, your first romantic relationship 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.800 where you feel deeply understood is like the most precious 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.040 thing that can ever exist. You're like, oh, I thought 0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.600 I really had a crush on that guy and tenth grade, 0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.640 but this is a whole the first time you make 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:04.839 a life with someone, the first best, real adult best 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.640 friend you have. And I hoped that I could show 0:42:08.719 --> 0:42:10.839 like why I fell in love with them, Yeah, and 0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.800 also that it couldn't. I was quoting Casey musk Graves 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.279 too earlier, saying that when she got divorced, did it's 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:17.799 a sole connection that didn't work out? 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:18.400 Yeah? 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:22.640 And that doesn't I think like love is. I think 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.239 if you love someone really deeply. Firstly, we know that 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.200 if when two people get divorced or something and they're 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.040 like I fucking hate them, You're like, that's because you 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.360 were obsessed with them, and your obsession had to energy 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.440 cannot be created or destroyed, and therefore it had to 0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:38.120 transmute into something, and my goal has always been not 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.200 to have that transmute into something negative. And also, if 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.000 I didn't feel that deep love for them, I'd have 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:46.320 to do this like grand erasure of all these memories. 0:42:46.880 --> 0:42:50.680 And I remember I dated one person after my breakup 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:52.360 and it was like a quick it was one of 0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.440 those four month like four months that could have been 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.520 fifty years. Yeah, and afterwards I deleted all the photos 0:42:58.000 --> 0:42:59.239 and it's the one time I've done that, and I 0:42:59.280 --> 0:43:02.000 regret it because it's like there's this hole in my 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:07.200 life that I just in this moment of rash. Maybe 0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:08.839 you can call Tim Cook and he can get them back. 0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.479 Yeah, honestly, he's got them. I did the same thing 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.000 I did it with I did it with text messages 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.440 and a lot of photos. And I go back and 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.000 forth now on whether or not that was the right 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:21.919 thing to do. 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:23.440 It was the right thing for you in the moment 0:43:23.520 --> 0:43:25.720 because you knew that you were not you could. 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:28.040 Not trust yourself with them because I was obsessing, Yes, 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:29.240 And I think that like. 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.000 You were self harming through nostalgia. 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.960 That's really what it was. And I knew in the 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:36.120 moment that that's what it had become. And so I 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:38.200 was like, I think in order to set myself free 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:40.640 from this, I have to do this. But as someone 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.600 who does you know, see value in looking back and 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:48.000 being like, oh, and also just like the way you 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.359 talk positively and the way you draw up what it 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:54.640 feels like to finally get comfortable in a relationship, like 0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:58.160 actually made me look back on like one particular X 0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:02.160 that I you know, kind of have exclusively like hard 0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:05.360 feelings about, yeah, and reading what you wrote about like 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.759 an old relationship, and I was like, oh, like one 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:09.680 good thing I can say is like I really like 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:13.200 like being silly with him, Like I was thinking something 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.040 when I was reading your words. It's like, oh, that 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:19.080 person when someone sees you silly, what's so funny? The 0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.120 movement of it, all the moments that you give each 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.560 other and like you know, it's like it's it's it's 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.960 you're you can't replicate that. 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.560 And I I was once just I was at the 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:33.480 Toronto Film Festival in one of the places that I've 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.080 been in my life. I don't know what to say, 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:39.279 and I ran into my ex boyfriend. I was with 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:42.000 my husband and he was watching in the Tolianail's way. 0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.600 He was like, you guys were being so funny together. Yeah, 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.360 and you just get back into this, like in a way, 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:50.400 when you've had a long term relationship with someone, especially 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.200 through a very pivotal moment in your life, there's things 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:56.080 that they will only like there's certain facts about my aunts, 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:59.600 particular my aunts Bonnie and Susan, who are very important 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:03.440 complex female characters, and I will something will happen with 0:45:03.480 --> 0:45:05.000 Monny and she's gonna be like, this is the only 0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:06.880 person who could possibly understand how. 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:08.239 Funny do you reach out? 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:11.279 Sometimes I think that it's I don't like to have 0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.799 a blockade, and you know, I try to do it 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:18.759 in appropriate doses. I'm not like, I'm not like, hey 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:21.040 came across this photo of us really made me think, 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:28.040 I think that's aggressive. That's aggressive from a psychotic and 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.359 I'm totally capable of that. I just have to reel 0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:33.120 it in, you know, like that there's a part of 0:45:33.120 --> 0:45:35.640 me that could one hundred percent be like there's funny 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.839 things that you go this is a value that we 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:41.040 remember this and it's I remember when my father's my 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.000 father's parents died and then his brother died and he 0:45:43.040 --> 0:45:45.400 was like, there's nobody else who remembers what it was 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:47.719 like to be in my family. First, he kept saying 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:50.600 I'm an orphan, and I was like, okay, you're You're seventy, 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:53.240 So I don't know if you get to claim that title. 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:58.640 Everyone wants a title these days. And that's the thing is, 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.759 it's really beautiful to have people who remember, even if 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:04.759 they remember differently. And my goal in the book was 0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:09.560 to show how much they meant and how much love 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.400 there is that still exists for them will also and 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.319 I'm sure that someone could give their account and it 0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.520 would be the same events but with an extremely different 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:20.680 I mean, that's the amazing thing about the world is 0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:22.720 like we're all looking through our own eyes. I'm on acid. 0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:27.160 No, no, but I think we're on acid too. I'm 0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:31.040 like it's called But there was also so much in 0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.200 like your your working relationship, in close close, close friendship 0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:37.080 with Jenny that like I texted B and I was like, 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:41.480 are you it's about relevant thing? 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.359 Well, I think the thing that I've learned, and I 0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:48.520 mean those creative relationships that were so intense, they were 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:50.839 like marriages, they were like all these it was like 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:54.839 I was it was like I was in a polyamorous relationship. 0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.440 I mean it was, and in a way I look 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.520 back and I'm like, that was my primary relationship, and 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.040 then I had a secondary relationship, which was a boyfriend, 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:08.120 and then a tertiary relationship which was my dad, And 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:12.080 so that is, Oh, that's a wild thing to look 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:15.320 back on. And and creative relationships you two know really well, 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:19.160 require just as much, if not more, emotional maintenance. Like 0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:21.960 when you're married to a straight man, there's so much 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.879 that you just don't even have to say, Like, my brother, 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:26.600 it must be so relaxing to be married to a 0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:29.359 straight guy because they like are not really picking up 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:32.120 on anything. You don't have to like it's. 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.919 Like whenever nothing means more than it does. 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:37.200 That's exactly right. When I remember around queer couple are 0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:38.839 like you moved your eyebrows, or you're feeling a little 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:42.480 bit destabilized, and like you can just hide in your 0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.640 own house for days with a straight man. 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:47.279 The studying of punctuation, forget it. 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:48.120 It doesn't mean anything. 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.239 If a if a queer man or woman like like 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.000 is texting you in a punction in a like punctuation 0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:58.800 way that order, I'm like, oh, something is deeply wrong. 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:01.480 Oh yeah, no, it's my husband will just send a 0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:05.080 text that he doesn't it's just one word, inexplicable word, 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.399 because he hasn't looked back. And I will look back 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:09.560 at a text and be like, did I say what 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:11.280 I meant to say? The mount of text I edit. 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:14.839 Send the respiti Leston. 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:16.600 He just sent me a picture of a broken window 0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.000 in our house with zero explanation, and I was like, 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:20.920 were we robbed? And he was like, no, no, it 0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:22.719 was a wind issue. And I was like, you need 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:28.400 to lead with that. But in the relationship with another woman, 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.960 specifically the amount that you're picking up, it's like this 0:48:32.719 --> 0:48:38.680 insane It's like whatever's traveling between machines at the Apple headquarters. 0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:44.560 It's like this insane level of information and subtlety. And and 0:48:44.000 --> 0:48:46.319 also in creative relationships, you're in each other's heads in 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:46.839 a different way. 0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:48.880 I've been your smartest with that person. 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.600 They know they've been your smartest. You've been your dumbest 0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:53.800 in the middle of the night. You've been your most petulant, 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.000 you've been your most elegant, you've been your most brave, 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.600 all of it. It's really amazing, and I think they 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:01.960 require a very specific kind of careen maintenance, and that's 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:05.560 why I'm sending you two to Esther prol oh B. 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:11.840 During the therapy scene, I was like, because we've talked 0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:16.480 like at particular moments, there have been like, well maybe 0:49:16.480 --> 0:49:20.279 we should see a counselor or a therapist like or 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:22.960 someone that, and then we land on like mediator, you 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:25.680 know what I mean. It's like those things where like 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:29.239 you know the relationship like needs something, but you're not 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.239 ready to say what kind of person, And then you're 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:33.960 like kind of filtering through the stand of like well, 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.040 what is the difference between these Like. 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:38.160 Maybe it should just be a friend who likes us 0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:40.399 both to talk it through. 0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:43.960 But then that just to save on like the explanation. 0:49:44.400 --> 0:49:48.000 Just you can, but but it there is something. I mean. Also, 0:49:48.040 --> 0:49:50.040 going to therapy with somebody that you work with is 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:53.080 a big choice because you go, Okay, I'm really proclaiming 0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:57.040 the significance of this dynamic because we're in a therapist's 0:49:57.040 --> 0:49:59.000 office together, so you two have never been to therapy 0:49:59.040 --> 0:49:59.560 together yet. 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:04.120 No, we've gotten far along in the process, but then 0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:06.719 inevitably things pop up and we're like, Okay, we got 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.839 to address this and we will be twogether and we can. 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:14.720 We can, we're we can work this out ad hoc 0:50:14.840 --> 0:50:15.719 as necessary. 0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:17.760 We can work this out amongst ourselves. 0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:20.279 Until until we really need to. Like my therapist says, 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:21.600 she doesn't think we need it. 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:23.560 By the way, I trust that. 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:24.160 Yeah. 0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:27.040 And also it seems to me as a passionate viewer, 0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.319 that you're doing fine. I'm not picking up on any 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:29.920 tension right now. 0:50:30.000 --> 0:50:32.360 It's not like, okay, great. What I will say is 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:35.880 that whenever there is a period of tension, it does, 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:40.160 it breaks, and it blows, and we're always literally fifty 0:50:40.200 --> 0:50:43.200 times better afterwards. I sometimes wish it didn't have to 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.480 get there, but I also think that we get better 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:50.080 at communicating every time, and as we know, that's what 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:50.840 it is all about. 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:52.719 Well, so it is all about that. And I don't 0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.719 know about you. I am extremely conflict avoidant except for 0:50:55.800 --> 0:50:58.000 I saw this. I don't love it. I saw a 0:50:58.040 --> 0:50:59.839 meme that was like this man did something and he's 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:01.959 out to see the woman that only my father knows. 0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:04.719 And that's truly like the I think if you have 0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:06.680 a as a woman, if you have a comfortable it 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:08.520 should be like I have yelled in a way that's 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:10.080 like blown the hair back on his head. 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:11.239 Oh forget it, and I. 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:12.839 Can't do it with and he said to me before, 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:14.600 he's been like, you need to go in there and 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.720 act like you act with me, like a fucking bitch, 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:20.719 like and but it's really hard. And I think one 0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.359 of the reasons I love writing conflict like I've never 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:25.319 been in a four way scream off like happened at 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:28.560 the beach House. I would pass out, I would dissociate, 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:32.480 I would go to another plane of existence. 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:34.760 I remember the first time it happened with you and Allison, 0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:36.879 and I guess it was the penultimate episode of one. 0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:39.680 You are the Wound. Yeah, you are the wound Bruce 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.800 err Kaplan's great line, you are the wound. And I 0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:44.880 remember doing it and feeling sick even doing the scene, 0:51:45.040 --> 0:51:46.799 because I was like, I don't want to yell at 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:49.360 you like this. I love you difference, Yeah no, and 0:51:49.400 --> 0:51:51.640 you're about You're like, this is feels horrible, But then 0:51:51.719 --> 0:51:54.440 also it's so fun to do because you're like, this 0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:58.760 is a world in which I somehow feel comfortable screaming 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.960 in my friend's face and telling her all these things 0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:05.480 that I used to always say to like anyone who 0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:07.040 would I'd be like, and then I was like And 0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:08.160 then I was like and they'd be like, did you 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:09.520 actually say it that stuff? And I was like, no, 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:10.040 I was light. 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:14.160 I was like, oh, no, You're always You're always in 0:52:14.840 --> 0:52:18.880 You're always like truly, truly, truly like a Kate Blanchette 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:21.480 performance in your mind with someone else like oh, or 0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:25.440 like like like Shonda Rhymes on the Best Seasons of 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.600 Grays turning to someone and being like, I'm giving it 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:31.080 to you exactly succinctly, And I can feel proud of 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:32.040 the way I expressed. 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:33.960 One of the great moments of my life, despite the 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:36.759 fact that my wig on Scandal was not ideal, is 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:42.120 that I delivering a Shonda Rhymes monologue and it was like, yes, 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:44.200 I am a woman who loves sex, but am I 0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:47.080 a slut? No? And it was like, I did deliver 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:50.799 it to beautiful Carrie Washington all my might, and then 0:52:50.800 --> 0:52:52.200 of course I had to get my throat slick because 0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:55.120 I was a slut. You died on that, Yeah, Huck 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:55.560 killed me. 0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:57.680 Huck killed you for the sin of being a slap 0:52:57.760 --> 0:52:59.080 broad slip because you were a slut. 0:52:59.239 --> 0:53:04.160 Huck killed me because I was about to kill someone else. 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:06.480 Then who was trying to kill. 0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:07.879 Me getting killed by is hot though. 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:10.160 Damn it was amazing. I had a backpack of blood 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.480 and then they made this thing and suddenly there was 0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.600 like a man who pulled a thing and blood skirted 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:17.560 from my neck. 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.520 So fun my parent died on screen. 0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:25.080 I want to I've died twice in a in scandal, yeah, 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:29.759 and in American horror story. And when I died in 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:32.400 American horstory, I rotted from the inside. And what it 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:34.520 involved was I was supposed to have maggots in my eyes, 0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:38.160 so they glued my eyes shut and covered them in 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:42.680 white rice. And then there was a pa. Who's this 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.719 person deserved? I mean, whoever you are, I couldn't see you, 0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.200 so I'm sorry, but I'm going to speak directly to you. 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:51.520 Thank you for what you did. I want to thank you. 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:55.040 You led me around by the back so gently all 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:58.280 day long, making sure I didn't trip over any scenery 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:02.359 while I rotted from many angles. Here's a guy for everything, said, 0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:04.440 Here's a guy for everything. 0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:08.400 I'm speaking of dying but not the vaping. Okay, what 0:54:08.440 --> 0:54:09.200 do you want to say here? 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.960 Here's what I want to say. We're on a text chain. 0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.000 We do want to revote. What it's called. 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.200 Uh, it's called life is so? Which is it is 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:20.960 just so? Just so? Which is which is a word? 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:24.439 Which is another gorgeous turn a phrase by miss Lena Unman. 0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:25.920 Thank you so much. I believe because we were at 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.080 Apple and I just went, life is just so, and 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:30.640 then you created a text chain and then it's just 0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:33.359 so so We're on life is just so, and I 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:35.879 just I like sometimes if I feel like they're too far, 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:38.200 I just like to pop in and it's the boys 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:41.600 appreciate it. Mind them that I'm there. And I said, 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:43.600 how are you? And you let me know that you 0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:45.719 had been going through an experience with someone you were 0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:48.920 dating who phraser. I'm allowed to say it. 0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:50.200 We can bring, we can. 0:54:50.120 --> 0:54:53.560 Invoke so phrase had an incident that a vaping induced 0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:54.960 lung infection evil. 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:58.759 So basically what happened was and some people might not 0:54:58.800 --> 0:55:04.000 know this, but so Fraser was he was a vape artist. Yes, 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:06.439 and like so many out there. 0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:10.440 Yeah, and basically medium, the. 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:15.480 The the the cartridge essentially like this can happen when 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:16.279 you're sucking on them. 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:17.959 Listen, I'm going to look at the camera again. 0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:21.279 Listen to this man, the the like oil from the 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.840 vape cartridge can basically leak into your lungs and it's poison. 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:27.440 And so when we were at Bravo Con and I 0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:29.440 can say this because he has said all of it 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:31.760 and this is all about his health and its public 0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:34.520 and I would never share anything if he hadn't been 0:55:34.640 --> 0:55:37.400 public about it. But we were at Bravos Medical Records, 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.040 Melissa and I were there, and we were all there together. 0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:43.000 I was actually announcing that the culture Wars are coming back. 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.680 He was obviously there for Below Deck. It was exciting, and. 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:48.719 Then momvo con. 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:50.759 You know, I wasn't even going with the idea of like, 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:52.600 and we're going to take a photo on the carpet. 0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:54.120 He wanted to take a picture together. I was like, 0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:56.040 let's do it. I put it on my Instagram. Then 0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:58.399 all of a sudden, that very weekend, people were like, oh, 0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:02.400 Matt and Fraser are dating. As that was happening, And 0:56:02.440 --> 0:56:04.359 I know this is going to sound dramatic. He had 0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:06.120 a heart attack in front of him. 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:09.600 It doesn't sound dramatic. It's traumatic, is there? It is? 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.160 And I feel like what people don't know is it's 0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:14.239 like if you were if you know, you obviously know 0:56:14.239 --> 0:56:16.840 because it's horrifying and it's hard to explain, but you 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:19.319 don't know a heart attack is happening every time. It's 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:22.200 like he was he had very intense chest pains and 0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:24.960 like couldn't get comfortable, and you know, it was short 0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:27.319 of breath and had to bail on the whole night 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:29.000 with us, and we checked in on him later and 0:56:29.040 --> 0:56:32.440 it was ongoing, and so I'm thinking, like, is this 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:36.080 stress and anxiety whatever. We find out much later after 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:40.120 tests come in that essentially because of this poison not 0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.880 got in his lungs, he had what was the equivalent 0:56:42.960 --> 0:56:47.120 of a heart attack and it and it was really bad, 0:56:47.239 --> 0:56:49.480 and we were in the hospital until five five point 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:51.520 thirty in the morning. We really had only been dating 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:53.120 for about three months. 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:57.400 Which is also really intense because it certainly hull lesbians 0:56:57.440 --> 0:56:58.080 things up a bit. 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:02.800 Oh, So we were already like really enjoying being together 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:06.080 and then there was this health stuff that entered, and 0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:09.160 so that like accelerated things. And you know, now where 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:12.399 we're at is he was he's off. I can't say where, 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:13.239 but he's you know. 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.240 Created had a secret topical location. 0:57:16.480 --> 0:57:19.280 Yeah, he's creating the television program many people like and 0:57:19.360 --> 0:57:22.280 I'm going to see him soon. But while he's been 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:24.640 gone and I've been sort of busy doing my own thing, 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:26.080 we kind of did like take a little bit of 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:29.360 space just because of how intense everything had gotten and 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:30.600 like personal. 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.560 Things, and you had to go into caretaker mode. And 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:37.200 he's grappling with this terrifying change to his body and 0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:40.760 it's it's really intense. And you shared just the littlest 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:43.960 thank you for sharing, and you shared just a littlest 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:44.640 snippet with me. 0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:47.600 Yeah, And I didn't know you had been addicted to 0:57:47.640 --> 0:57:48.560 the to the oh. 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.160 When we were at Apple, I didn't have my babe 0:57:51.160 --> 0:57:53.440 because I was trying to be elegant. And do you 0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:55.000 remember we got in the car, I was like sweating, 0:57:55.040 --> 0:57:56.280 Like I was like, can someone get a gas station? 0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:59.560 Can someone find a gas stop to stop? Because I 0:57:59.560 --> 0:58:01.360 had been off the vape for like twenty four hours 0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:03.840 and I was losing my mind, so I didn't I 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:08.360 was a l I l a live a late in 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:12.000 life vapor vapor. I started vaping on the set of 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:15.920 a little television show called Industry because yea, I was 0:58:16.080 --> 0:58:18.400 directress of the pet but also it was it was 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:20.120 in whales. People love to party in whales. 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:22.280 Yeah. I had been about English people. 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:27.240 You know about English people, hello Frazer. They love sucking 0:58:27.240 --> 0:58:30.479 those things. And a friend was like, oh, you don't drink, 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:32.920 you don't smoke your sober. You know what this is? 0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:35.520 This It tastes like candy. It doesn't do anything to 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:37.400 you except put you in a great mood. Like literally, 0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:38.960 it was handed to me like it was a ring. 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:41.840 Pop. Yeah. And then and it looks like a toy. 0:58:42.240 --> 0:58:44.520 It looks like a toy. It lights up, it makes noises, 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:48.439 And I went, great, am I anxious all the time? Sure? 0:58:48.480 --> 0:58:48.600 Do? 0:58:48.640 --> 0:58:51.120 I like to do thing with my hands? Absolutely? And 0:58:51.200 --> 0:58:53.800 I became a person who would like wake up with 0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:56.080 my vape under my pillow. And I was not proud 0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:57.920 of it. I was embarrassed about it. I used to 0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:00.480 like hide it in my sleeve during me I mean, 0:59:00.520 --> 0:59:03.880 it was really became like a pacifier. And I had this. 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:07.080 I stopped. I started, I'm also a chronically ill person. 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:09.920 I have no business, I mean, I have practically no 0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:12.120 business drinking Celsius. This is the craziest thing I've done 0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:15.040 in months. We're so sorry, No, it's I love it. 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:22.040 I locked yup, but I was in this on off relationship, 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:23.840 I stopped. I started for one minute. I was like, 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:26.880 you know what would be healthier than vaping rolled cigarettes? 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:28.760 That's insane. But I was married to an english Man, 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.720 so and he quit and I still couldn't it was 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:35.240 and I kept. I was in a shame cycle with 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:38.040 the vape and I was sitting there just sucking on 0:59:38.080 --> 0:59:40.760 my vape, texting my boys, and you said this, and I, 0:59:41.160 --> 0:59:44.360 because I am dramatic, I literally took the vape and 0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:46.720 I dropped it into a cup of water so that 0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:49.560 I couldn't retrieve it. And I went to day's the 0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:51.360 day it stops. And I've not taken a puff since 0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:55.480 it's been Thank you so much. But you did that 0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:58.800 for me because everyone else is like popcorn lung it's 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:01.480 a little abstract. We don't know what happens. 1:00:01.520 --> 1:00:04.800 You can understand heart attack, and I've never understood it 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.000 more than when it was happening in front of me. 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:09.520 And also I could feel the urgency, and you said 1:00:09.520 --> 1:00:11.720 to me, I'll never forget you go. These things are 1:00:11.800 --> 1:00:14.640 so much more evil than we know. We don't even 1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:16.960 know the beginning of it. His lungs look like a 1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:19.200 seventy year old man's and I just want I want 1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:20.960 no part of this. And I have to say the 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.920 first week, it was the week of Thanksgiving, and my 1:00:24.840 --> 1:00:27.240 family had all chosen to assemble without me, do it 1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:30.720 that but you will, oh, okay, No, they were on. 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:32.560 They were on various little. 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:35.960 And and give you for yourself phantom grab all day. 1:00:36.120 --> 1:00:37.760 Every day I'd reach for to my pocket. But I 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:41.920 spent the week alone sweating it out, which needed to 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:45.680 happen because I am generally a pretty I have my issues, 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:47.640 but I'm a good mood girl, like I don't take 1:00:47.680 --> 1:00:49.640 my moods out on other people. I was raised in 1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:50.640 a house where I was like, if you're in a 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.360 bad mood, you better turn yourself back around, missy and 1:00:53.400 --> 1:00:56.120 come back out here with a smile, because we who 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:57.280 puts the shoes on your feet? 1:00:57.320 --> 1:00:58.360 Fix your face culture? 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:00.800 Yes, it was a my father's a wasp. It was 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:03.840 fix your face culture. And so I don't And I 1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:07.360 was in a kind of mood. It was a synthetic, 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:11.320 nasty mood yep, and that could not be controlled. 1:01:11.840 --> 1:01:13.640 Because the nefairy thing about these things is that they 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:17.080 were meant originally to help you quit smoking cigarettes. 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:20.480 And now yesterday, I saw a girl in the bodega 1:01:20.600 --> 1:01:23.480 and she was crying because her credit card wasn't working 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:25.560 and she wanted her vabe yeah, and she was like 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:27.400 twenty three. And I did pay for it because I 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:29.200 was like, I can't watch you in this kind of pain. 1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:31.360 But I said to her, you gotta. 1:01:31.080 --> 1:01:33.320 Stop, yeah, because look at you, look at your life, 1:01:33.360 --> 1:01:34.200 look at your choices. 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.280 Correct. And I also said gets ins, gets lozenges, but 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:40.520 also anything that makes you cry in the bodega, Like 1:01:40.880 --> 1:01:43.360 there's nothing I want in the bodega that if I 1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:45.360 can't get it, I'm gonna. 1:01:45.240 --> 1:01:46.440 I'm reduced to tears. 1:01:46.600 --> 1:01:48.240 Yes, And I don't want to live that way. 1:01:48.400 --> 1:01:49.240 Be for yourself. 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:52.960 I don't want to live that way. I don't know 1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:53.440 it that way. 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:57.440 I also got to say, like he has remained off 1:01:57.440 --> 1:01:59.440 the babe, he's doing so much better. I'm going to 1:01:59.440 --> 1:01:59.840 see him. 1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:02.440 Does he use lozenges or anything? He's gone told. 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:08.360 What's crazy about those British people? It's stiff upper fucking done. 1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:10.440 Quit smoking. I was like, do you want to do 1:02:10.480 --> 1:02:12.680 a patch doing this? And he was like that is 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:16.640 for pussy. He used to pain. 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:20.000 He was like he was it was so if you 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:22.320 know Fraser from the show. It was so Fraser. It 1:02:22.360 --> 1:02:26.560 was right then it's over. It was just like it's done, 1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:30.440 and he loved the thing. Like, I mean, like, but 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:34.320 and I have to say the then as someone's like 1:02:34.520 --> 1:02:37.440 boyfriend in that moment. I think it might make it 1:02:37.480 --> 1:02:40.320 easier too, when you have someone that's like, hi, like 1:02:40.560 --> 1:02:44.760 I'm here too. This like really was scary character to me. 1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:46.640 And I do think there is a degree of like, 1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:48.640 all of a sudden, it's like that zoom out thing. 1:02:48.680 --> 1:02:51.120 It's like football, right, you zoom out, you look. 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:51.200 At it. 1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:56.080 Crazy? Yeah, well yeah, but I guess my thing to be, 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:58.200 you know, negative on football is like you zoom out 1:02:58.240 --> 1:02:59.880 as an alien looking on the world and you're like, 1:03:00.080 --> 1:03:03.640 what do they do? Doesn't seem exactly right? Like many 1:03:03.680 --> 1:03:07.320 forms of like you know, uh, government things like that. Yeah, 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:09.240 like if we all were to just zoom out the 1:03:09.360 --> 1:03:11.640 zooming out that happens when you look at people sucking 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:15.360 on a little machine of smoke of tr right there, 1:03:15.400 --> 1:03:17.120 you'll be like, well, I look crazy. 1:03:17.280 --> 1:03:19.120 My husband was a smoker roommate. He saw me with 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:21.000 the vape. He goes, it looks like you're plugged into 1:03:21.120 --> 1:03:22.560 a us B like you have to go back to 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:24.919 your USB to charge every five minutes, Like you look 1:03:25.000 --> 1:03:29.320 like a demented robot. And it's interesting. The thing you 1:03:29.360 --> 1:03:32.080 said about going this is really scary for me because 1:03:32.120 --> 1:03:35.680 the only thing that affected my behavior in my twenties 1:03:35.720 --> 1:03:38.520 when I was not healthy and not making choices to 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:41.960 be healthier, was my family looking at me after I'd had, 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:43.880 you know, a terrifying ince in the husband. That was 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:46.760 scary for us. And if I love people, you don't 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:47.560 want them to suffer. 1:03:47.800 --> 1:03:48.000 Yeah. 1:03:48.040 --> 1:03:52.320 Well, you're moving through the world completely aware of your 1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:56.080 body and like I'm starting to be well, like and 1:03:56.160 --> 1:03:59.120 you're hearing this thing that phrase went through and you're like, 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:00.520 it's done. 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:02.320 Totally, drop it in the water. 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:04.400 Drop it in the water, never look at it again. 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:09.160 It was green, and it was green. And I think 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:11.640 about her every day, And when I see people vaping, 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:13.280 I think, I hope that you have fun, and I 1:04:13.320 --> 1:04:16.360 hope you A woman once said to me, a powerful 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:18.880 one said when I quit smoking, she said, I didn't 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:21.000 judge myself. I thanked myself for what it gave me. 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:23.680 And I do think those years do I think it 1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:25.480 was good that I vaped for six years on and off, 1:04:25.640 --> 1:04:28.960 on and off. No. Do I think that during that 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:33.640 time I needed something to stop like darker impulses. Probably yes. 1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:37.400 And now I'm like training wheels are off, the vape 1:04:37.480 --> 1:04:40.600 is gone, but I do have stuffed animals. 1:04:40.840 --> 1:04:41.240 Of course. 1:04:41.320 --> 1:04:43.800 The woman who would she say, I think I think 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:46.440 everyone it gave me. And that woman was Marie Kondo. 1:04:46.800 --> 1:04:49.640 And that woman wait, I was gonna say, oh, but 1:04:49.720 --> 1:04:53.959 this is like when a total fucking stranger tells you, hey, 1:04:54.080 --> 1:04:56.520 I watched girls, I read your book, and I think 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:57.640 you have eds. 1:04:57.920 --> 1:05:01.520 That was the craziest it. It was so crazy, a 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:05.200 total stranger wrote to me. I had been. It's the 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:07.160 zoom out I had been, and it was exactly right. 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:10.520 Everything she said. It was like reading my it. She 1:05:10.680 --> 1:05:15.320 literally her name is Marjorie. She literally made my life 1:05:15.440 --> 1:05:17.840 make sense to me because I had had my entire 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:21.800 childhood had all of these weird symptoms like you're running 1:05:21.840 --> 1:05:24.440 in dodgeball and your need dislocates and your teacher's like, 1:05:24.480 --> 1:05:27.040 how did you do that? Nobody touched you? You know, 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:30.400 I was like I was the constantly there was if 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:32.520 there was anyone had a cold at school, like, within 1:05:32.800 --> 1:05:35.640 you know, six hours, I was going down. I had migraine, 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:37.560 and starting when I was seven, I had really strong 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:39.200 I used to faint when I had to be when 1:05:39.200 --> 1:05:41.800 I was in the sun, which my grandma loved because 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:44.080 once I fainted in the customs line in Mexico and 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:46.520 we got to skip, and she said, I'll never forget. 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:50.360 She said, can you do that again, customs. But what 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:52.959 was amazing was I had been I knew I had endometriosis, 1:05:53.000 --> 1:05:56.720 and I had been writing about my health, which involved 1:05:56.800 --> 1:06:00.080 more symptoms, and also there were times I had to 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:03.800 pause life for my health, and this woman had been 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:05.880 paying attention. She said, even the way that you run, 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:08.680 the way that your skin flushes, it all makes sense, 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:11.240 and sent me to this doctor at Johns Hopkins. And 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:15.640 now there's more awareness about there's both more awareness about 1:06:16.160 --> 1:06:19.760 Baylor dan Low syndrome, other sort of autoimmune illness, the 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:24.120 intersection between these things and udometriosis. There's increasing sort of 1:06:24.280 --> 1:06:27.400 people in the medical field to understand. But it was 1:06:27.440 --> 1:06:29.160 also a huge moment for me because I was, like, 1:06:29.240 --> 1:06:30.800 you know, a Jewish girl who was raised to be 1:06:30.880 --> 1:06:33.960 like the doctor's always right, that was who you respected. 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:37.760 In My grandfather's great shame was that he was a dentist, 1:06:37.800 --> 1:06:39.640 not a doctor, because he had not been able to 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:43.080 afford like that much schooling, and so he loved to 1:06:43.120 --> 1:06:46.240 be doctor Samuel Simmons, but he felt shame about the 1:06:46.320 --> 1:06:53.560 kind of doctor that he was. Andy Kaufman's orthodontist. O, wow, 1:06:55.760 --> 1:07:00.000 his teeth anyway, I keep going. My grandpa wasn't really 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:02.840 keeping it doing cosmetic. He was doing like, does one 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:04.160 of your teeth go out like that? 1:07:04.480 --> 1:07:06.600 Yeah? Then all put it back? Yeah, okay. 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:08.960 He there was a thing in our house which was 1:07:09.000 --> 1:07:11.120 you were never supposed to let him look in your 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:12.919 mouth because if you had a loose tooth, you would 1:07:13.040 --> 1:07:15.880 rip it out. And so my mom would always be like, 1:07:15.920 --> 1:07:17.560 whatever we do when we get to pass over, do 1:07:17.680 --> 1:07:20.919 not open your mouth for grandpa. Because his thing was just. 1:07:20.840 --> 1:07:23.840 Like, come on, let's go. Oh. 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:25.560 And he had his office in the house and his 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:26.440 tools were upstairs. 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:30.120 So I got to say, there's something about an in 1:07:30.440 --> 1:07:33.959 home dental or doctor thing, which no, I trust it more. 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:36.560 I'm like, this is the center of your life, literally, 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:38.400 so you must be carrying down. 1:07:38.960 --> 1:07:43.440 So do you know who the Central Orthodontic Central Dental 1:07:43.520 --> 1:07:47.760 practices in Great Neck Long Island between the period of 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:52.080 nineteen forty five and nineteen. 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.520 Eighty three, doctor sam Simmons. 1:07:54.000 --> 1:07:58.880 Doctor Samuel Simmons and the patriarch from capturing the Freedmen's 1:07:59.240 --> 1:08:00.520 and those were the to war. 1:08:00.600 --> 1:08:02.080 It remind me, do. 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:05.320 You remember the documentary about the family that end up 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:12.520 maybe being predatory monsters. It was like the first Andrew 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:15.920 Jureki documentary. I watched it at Angelica. Nicole Kidman was 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:18.080 sitting in front of me at the theater, and it's 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:22.839 about this family that potentially it's unclear whether they committed 1:08:22.880 --> 1:08:26.160 sort of like mass acts of pedophilia or whether there 1:08:26.240 --> 1:08:30.040 was a sort of like satanic panic moment that happened. 1:08:30.200 --> 1:08:33.639 I'm sure that you end up kind of really siding, 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:36.680 of course with the victims. But he was this orthodontist 1:08:37.160 --> 1:08:39.639 who kind of seemed like he had this really perfect 1:08:39.680 --> 1:08:44.120 family and then it disintegrates. And his son was Bobo 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:46.559 the Clown, the premier party clown of downtown Manhattan. So 1:08:46.600 --> 1:08:49.400 he used to do birthday parties. And the father was 1:08:50.240 --> 1:08:54.000 the other orthodontist in Great Neck. And of course when 1:08:54.120 --> 1:08:57.000 all of this came out, my grandfather was king. 1:08:57.240 --> 1:08:58.960 Of course, I have to say, and this is the 1:08:58.960 --> 1:09:01.439 biggest compliment I could get that story sounds like a 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:03.200 limited series starring Matthew Reese. 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:06.080 That's so nice. 1:09:06.200 --> 1:09:08.200 Well, she's the best compliment I watched. 1:09:07.920 --> 1:09:11.440 Capturing the Freedman's I've never seen anyone nod as emphatically 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:14.720 as Nicole Kidman ahead of me in the theater in 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:15.280 the Angelic. 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:18.200 She was just excited to be in the theater. 1:09:18.479 --> 1:09:20.200 She loves it. I can still remember what the light 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:22.240 looked like pouring on her beautiful. 1:09:22.000 --> 1:09:25.000 Yes, she's just studying. She sat here just days ago. 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:28.360 I know, I know I listened, wasn't It. 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:30.760 Really was a transfer when she saw my the lit 1:09:30.840 --> 1:09:33.400 tunes on my shirt and couldn't handle herself for forty 1:09:33.439 --> 1:09:34.120 five seconds. 1:09:35.240 --> 1:09:38.000 I can't imagine anything better than making Nicole Kidman happy. 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:40.439 It was wonderful, except for making till just went and smile, 1:09:42.200 --> 1:09:43.920 which I did once once. 1:09:45.520 --> 1:09:46.200 So we need to get her. 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:49.680 I do I have a photo? I don't do. I'm 1:09:49.680 --> 1:09:51.040 sure you're the same, which is I don't do a 1:09:51.080 --> 1:09:54.360 lot of celebrity approaches. I'm always shocked by of course, Yeah, 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:56.960 when it comes out of me right, Like one time 1:09:56.960 --> 1:09:59.320 I saw Janice Dickinson at the Sunset Tower and I screamed, 1:09:59.320 --> 1:10:00.000 you mean everything. 1:10:00.240 --> 1:10:01.519 Oh, I love that part of the book. 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:06.880 You think you know that? Recently I facetimed jud and 1:10:07.600 --> 1:10:09.840 he had facetimed me, and I was in bed, sweaty mass. 1:10:09.840 --> 1:10:11.799 He goes, lean, I'm a little busy right now, passes 1:10:11.840 --> 1:10:16.479 the phone to Glenn Powell. Oh, Glenn Powell for pretty 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:20.680 much no feelings the masculinity radiating from the screen. Do 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:27.479 you want to know what I did? I went like this, Oh, 1:10:27.600 --> 1:10:31.360 you're my number one movie star? What happened? 1:10:31.600 --> 1:10:32.080 Who is she? 1:10:32.320 --> 1:10:34.960 What's going on? And Glenn Peal's like, thank you? That's 1:10:34.960 --> 1:10:37.439 so sweet? And then I go, ain't no set like 1:10:37.439 --> 1:10:39.200 a Jedd Apato set. 1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:42.440 It's it's so liked LI told. 1:10:42.439 --> 1:10:44.160 No lies told. But what's she doing? 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:44.360 No? 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:45.840 I think, why is she? 1:10:46.120 --> 1:10:47.080 Something else took over? 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:49.719 That's exactly what happened. And that's usually when I approach 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:53.840 the celebrity, it's something else takes over. I learned the 1:10:53.880 --> 1:10:57.120 hard way because I once approached theater character actress legend 1:10:57.200 --> 1:11:00.640 Jackie Hoffman in a bodega and that's said, you were 1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:05.240 incredible in kissing Jessica Stein. She went oh ow, and 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:07.160 I went, I'm never doing that again. 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:10.120 Yeah, but you know what, you had the right idea, 1:11:10.200 --> 1:11:12.639 which was to not approach with the most popular things 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:14.519 she's done. You approach with the thing that's going to 1:11:14.600 --> 1:11:15.880 hit them in the heart the most. Like when I 1:11:15.920 --> 1:11:18.320 met Queen Latifa and three people in front of me 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:20.280 said I loved you in Chicago, and I went up 1:11:20.320 --> 1:11:22.639 to her and said, I loved you in Life Support, 1:11:22.920 --> 1:11:26.200 which was her aid's drama on HBO. If you don't 1:11:26.200 --> 1:11:30.200 think you said so much, baby, and she. 1:11:30.160 --> 1:11:33.320 Probably was, like, that means everything to me. One time, 1:11:33.320 --> 1:11:36.400 when I was at Esslyn, my favorite place in the world, 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:40.120 a woman said, I loved how you represented pelvic pain 1:11:40.200 --> 1:11:43.879 in your TV show Camping. Camping is not even available 1:11:43.880 --> 1:11:47.679 on HBO Max. It has been scrubbed. Jennifer Garner's probably 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:52.400 taken it off for IMDb. Beautiful person, amazing experience inside 1:11:52.439 --> 1:11:54.760 and out, makes Blueberry Buckle for the crew. Ain't no 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:58.240 set like a Jennifer Garner's set. But that never said, 1:11:58.960 --> 1:12:01.880 like you never when someone says something to you like that, 1:12:02.040 --> 1:12:04.240 you cannot help but be bold over That's what you 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:06.880 did for Latifa. 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:09.880 Okay, so they're telling me we're almost We're almost at 1:12:09.920 --> 1:12:11.200 the times we have to do. I don't think so, honey, 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:13.559 And all right, so the question, but that's my god. 1:12:13.560 --> 1:12:16.320 We didn't even ask the question really quickly? Did you do? 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:17.519 You want to tell them? What was the culture that 1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:18.760 made you say culture was for you? 1:12:20.080 --> 1:12:24.280 It was seeing Sarah Jessica Parker and Jane Krakowski in 1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:29.840 Once a mos on Broadway, Lady and Winifred, thank you 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:32.719 so much, and I sang, I'm shy, I'm so quiet 1:12:32.760 --> 1:12:35.200 and shy for my Camp musical audition did not get in. 1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:40.639 But I just thought, like, I love being a woman. 1:12:40.840 --> 1:12:43.040 Women can be funny, they can be fun, they can 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:46.240 be sexy. Sara Jessica Parker is like wearing rags and screaming. 1:12:46.439 --> 1:12:52.040 My I then went home aol dot com printed out 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:56.920 probably one hundred low resolution images of Sarah Jessica Parker, 1:12:57.479 --> 1:13:02.160 made a wallpaper out of them. Yep, and it's it 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:03.200 was so big for me. 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:04.599 I'm so sad we don't have more time to talk 1:13:04.600 --> 1:13:04.880 about this. 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:06.920 So yes, no, it was everything, and I mean it's 1:13:06.920 --> 1:13:08.720 still And then I've also gone back and watched Carol 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:10.760 Burnett and it like Once about a Mattress to me, 1:13:10.920 --> 1:13:12.640 is I love it because it's a musical where the 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:14.519 central character is not supposed to be good at singing. 1:13:14.640 --> 1:13:15.080 Yeah. 1:13:15.160 --> 1:13:18.400 Like, which is one of the biggest fights my mom 1:13:18.439 --> 1:13:20.320 and I ever had was when I was going to 1:13:20.520 --> 1:13:25.200 Impact Performing Arts camp in Salisbury, Connecticut, where I was 1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:29.360 in camp with all the Gummer sisters as well as 1:13:29.479 --> 1:13:31.960 Lily Rabe. They were all great at acting. We were 1:13:32.000 --> 1:13:34.639 doing a review. We were supposed to choose a song. 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:38.639 My mom said you should choose no, No, She said 1:13:38.760 --> 1:13:42.400 from Guys and Dolls Adelaide's lament because it's a character piece. 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:44.880 And I said, I want to sing adol Weis. And 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:49.599 she said, you are a character actress and I said, 1:13:49.880 --> 1:13:53.200 you are not an ngenoe. She was right, but I 1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:55.680 wasn't ready to see the writing on. 1:13:55.640 --> 1:13:58.560 The wall and are a character actresses? 1:13:59.479 --> 1:14:03.840 You aren't. It's the best have a mom who knows 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:06.200 you're a character actress. Yeah, I mean, my mom played 1:14:06.240 --> 1:14:08.920 Rhett Butler in the camp play Like. That's where she 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:10.680 because she was tall, so they always gave her the 1:14:10.680 --> 1:14:13.439 boy parts. So she was like, take what you got, 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:16.400 put on your robe and sing adelaide cement. But I 1:14:16.479 --> 1:14:19.000 just love that Once upon a Mattress is a musical 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:21.240 for girls who aren't naturally good at musicals. 1:14:21.320 --> 1:14:25.800 Yeah, because they can go because I'm actually terribly shy. 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:29.360 My favorite one is The Swamps. 1:14:28.840 --> 1:14:31.240 Of Home Green Angle. 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:37.360 I always forget that you're like a musical theater kid, 1:14:37.400 --> 1:14:39.240 and then it just gets me right in my heart. 1:14:39.320 --> 1:14:41.120 Then I remember when I watched Wicked. 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:45.680 Peacock. Yeah, okay, so we got to do I don't 1:14:45.680 --> 1:14:47.880 think so honey, Right, all right, I have one. This 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:50.080 is our sixty second second where we take some time 1:14:50.320 --> 1:14:53.640 sixty seconds great to break things across the colls. I 1:14:53.680 --> 1:14:58.000 do have something because you want our guest. This is 1:14:58.280 --> 1:15:00.479 Matt Rogers. Don't thinks of honey, directed at lean, done him. 1:15:00.520 --> 1:15:03.400 His time starts now. I don't think, so honey, what 1:15:03.439 --> 1:15:06.400 you're about to do to role model, making him a 1:15:06.400 --> 1:15:10.559 movie star is so dangerous. I don't think, so honey, 1:15:10.560 --> 1:15:12.519 that we're gonna be able to handle it. I've been 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:15.800 seeing Tucker rise and rise and rise. I've seen the 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:18.240 Sally phenomenon. I said, they're making a movie star. Now 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:21.760 we are. If you think Hudson and Connor have taken over, 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:25.880 you're not. You fucking wait. The little tattoos all over 1:15:25.920 --> 1:15:28.519 his body, this sort of easy way with the smile, 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:31.320 the hair that looks unstyled, but you know it is 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:34.839 the sort of natural, charming charisma. I don't think, so honey, 1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:38.439 that we're ready for this person to show us perfection 1:15:38.600 --> 1:15:41.040 in this type of way, not to put pressure, because 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:43.320 I think putting pressure on it would then sort of 1:15:43.400 --> 1:15:46.160 like I don't know, I would hate for any thought 1:15:46.479 --> 1:15:49.680 to run through his head. Besides, well, I'm up, I'm 1:15:49.680 --> 1:15:52.080 in a good mood. I'm gonna do my thing today. 1:15:52.400 --> 1:15:55.120 It seems like the vibe. I don't think, so honey, 1:15:55.280 --> 1:15:57.600 that we're gonna be able to get through. But I 1:15:57.640 --> 1:15:59.639 do think, so honey, that I'm gonna be there because 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:03.080 you Mattalie Portman, Tucker, I'm in the seat. 1:16:03.080 --> 1:16:05.479 I do think sometimes and Rashida Jones kind of giving 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:07.840 him like a little askance look. And I will say 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:11.519 this that I showed an early cut of the movie 1:16:11.520 --> 1:16:13.560 to a friend of mine who's like a very thoughtful 1:16:14.040 --> 1:16:18.080 forty five year old writer, like who's like half queer, 1:16:18.120 --> 1:16:20.880 and she was like, you're ruining my life, yea, Like 1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:23.960 I didn't think I still had feelings like this in me. 1:16:24.080 --> 1:16:27.000 And it's funny because I so want Tucker never to 1:16:27.040 --> 1:16:30.800 feel objectified that. I literally talked to him like, I'm like, 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:32.679 put her here, pal like I was like, I talked 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:35.960 to him like I'm a friend's father who's just walked 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:38.479 in from golfing and doesn't really want kids at the house. 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:40.920 Because I so don't want him to ever feel like 1:16:41.560 --> 1:16:43.720 all of these like creepy, Like I want him to 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:46.680 feel freedom, And I'm like, anyone can be objectified like this. 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:49.400 I don't want this like lovely young boyd who like 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:52.840 loves his mother Susan so much, to ever feel that 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:54.479 he's being like. 1:16:56.479 --> 1:16:56.639 That. 1:16:56.720 --> 1:17:00.600 He has the perfect perspective on it though, because and 1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:01.880 by that I mean he has a sense of humor, 1:17:01.880 --> 1:17:04.120 but because he recently or a couple of months ago, 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:08.840 posted something on Instagram stories where it was a meme 1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:11.240 because they have the same haircut of a famous Sean 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:13.599 Cody porn star named Brandon, and he was like, come 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:16.400 to the show tonight. He has an awareness of what 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:20.240 he does to people, but doesn't flawn it too much 1:17:20.280 --> 1:17:22.680 and too flagrant of a way that he will be 1:17:22.800 --> 1:17:25.280 perfect and objectify him. 1:17:25.400 --> 1:17:28.759 He's also just a good boy, Like I was around 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:30.639 him for long enough that if the facade was going 1:17:30.680 --> 1:17:33.080 to crack. It would have Let's just say, if someone 1:17:33.200 --> 1:17:34.519 was going to kick a rug or throw a chair, 1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:37.800 it would have happened. And he is a good boy, 1:17:37.880 --> 1:17:40.679 like he's from Maine. He gets really happy when dogs 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:45.679 show up. There's a an ease, and he is obviously 1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:48.880 poetic and complicated. I just like love him. He's my buddy, 1:17:49.120 --> 1:17:51.240 Like I like text and pictures of my pigs all 1:17:51.280 --> 1:17:53.800 the time, and he writes lol, like and it's you know, 1:17:53.840 --> 1:17:58.280 it's very healthy to have young friends, very healthy. I 1:17:58.320 --> 1:18:00.639 love him, but he's a really good actor and it's annoying. 1:18:00.760 --> 1:18:03.320 Oh I love It's very like Brad Pitt in California, 1:18:03.360 --> 1:18:04.200 where you're like, who's that? 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:07.599 Yeah, okay, well get ready for that who's that moment? 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:10.559 Here's Boon Yang's I don't think so much excited, also 1:18:10.600 --> 1:18:13.479 inspired by our guest. Okay, this is boning. I don't 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.160 think's money. His time starts now. 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:17.960 I don't think so many more places should be like 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:21.719 the tower bar at Sunset Tower and serve what chicken 1:18:21.840 --> 1:18:26.000 pop pie? Oh, I don't care that it costs thirty 1:18:26.000 --> 1:18:29.080 four dollars like it does a tower bar price it 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:32.840 up inflate that all you want. I know, I'm paying 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:36.760 for something premium, even if it's pretty bad. I love 1:18:36.840 --> 1:18:39.800 the crust. And you're thinking, oh, but Bowen, it's so 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.280 hard to make and it's so hard to scale up 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:45.200 at a restaurant. Buy the puff pastry ahead of time, 1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:47.680 thirty seconds, put it in the freezer, lay it out 1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:50.280 on the on the day you'll be okay. Cut it 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:53.120 out on just about you know, above the dish. It 1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:55.960 will be fine. It's not that hard to make. I 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:59.760 just want it made from the expertise and curatorial sort 1:18:59.800 --> 1:19:05.800 of fifteen. I'm just pov of a chef and tier bar. 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:08.360 I do lament. 1:19:08.479 --> 1:19:12.439 How populated it's been, it's gotten since your time there 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:15.240 and making it a home. It's a I love going 1:19:15.280 --> 1:19:18.160 still it has a new valence to it now. 1:19:18.320 --> 1:19:20.280 It has a really new valance. That's what that is. 1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:22.960 What that was incredible. I agree with you one hundred percent, 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:24.640 I will say, and I talked about this in the 1:19:24.680 --> 1:19:28.240 book that I during COVID, I was for a period 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:30.439 the only guest at the Sunset Town. 1:19:30.439 --> 1:19:30.919 Incredible. 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:34.200 There was one guest. There was a gentleman at the desk, 1:19:34.720 --> 1:19:37.880 there was a lady upstairs in eleven oh nine. She 1:19:38.080 --> 1:19:41.400 was me, I was and my dog Ingrid, who has 1:19:41.439 --> 1:19:45.080 her own relationship to that place. And because there was 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:46.800 a lot, I could go work on my computer in 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.200 the bar, I could go sit by the pool, I 1:19:49.240 --> 1:19:52.360 could go sit on the roof the Freedom. I was eloise. 1:19:52.560 --> 1:19:54.200 It was the greatest time of my life. 1:19:54.320 --> 1:19:56.439 No one knew that the burger was famous, so they 1:19:56.439 --> 1:19:58.760 couldn't charge forty six dollars for it. Well, they weren't 1:19:58.760 --> 1:19:59.519 even serving me. 1:19:59.720 --> 1:20:04.240 They were literally serving croissants wrapped in in uh, you know, 1:20:04.320 --> 1:20:09.320 croissants wrapped in whatever, like yeah, tinfoil, because they forgot 1:20:09.320 --> 1:20:09.839 the word. 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:11.559 For a blanket too. 1:20:11.600 --> 1:20:15.000 I believe I am a vegetarian, but that's not a 1:20:15.120 --> 1:20:18.680 judgment or just But I've had them before in my 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:22.360 pat when I was acting out of pocket and eating meat, 1:20:22.920 --> 1:20:27.439 and I loved them. But and now I was alone 1:20:27.439 --> 1:20:29.080 at the Tower Bar and it was really beautiful. And 1:20:29.080 --> 1:20:33.040 then you set one table on fire and they they 1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:36.360 did it sorry kick me out, which was incredible. What 1:20:36.439 --> 1:20:40.160 they did was look at monitor me. And now every 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:43.160 time I see lovely Jeff, who owns a twer bar, 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:44.960 he says, are you going to send anything on fire today? 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:46.439 And I go, no, no, no, I don't have matches. 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:48.559 I don't have a lighter. My husband won't let me. 1:20:50.360 --> 1:20:52.280 You can't live down something like clotting something on fire. 1:20:52.320 --> 1:20:55.919 And once you walk back into that establishment, it's tough, incredible. 1:20:56.000 --> 1:20:58.040 Well, you're about to send this whole place on fire 1:20:58.520 --> 1:21:00.280 with your I don't think somebody are. 1:21:00.160 --> 1:21:01.640 You thought them at it in advance. I can't be 1:21:01.640 --> 1:21:04.160 as good a Nicole Kinman saying bad breath, and everything 1:21:04.160 --> 1:21:05.040 will ever be as good. 1:21:05.280 --> 1:21:08.479 Listen, we're all trailing in her dust. But are you ready? 1:21:08.479 --> 1:21:11.000 This is Lena Dunham's I don't think so, honey. Her 1:21:11.040 --> 1:21:11.840 time starts now. 1:21:12.479 --> 1:21:16.280 I don't think so, honey. Quiet luxury, Oh I don't. 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:19.120 If I'm going to have luxury, I want it to 1:21:19.160 --> 1:21:24.040 be loud. Yes, firstly, I'm not Since when did elegance 1:21:24.240 --> 1:21:27.759 mean that you were wearing oatmeal with bone, with beige 1:21:27.960 --> 1:21:31.639 with tan. We have so many colors, we have so 1:21:31.640 --> 1:21:39.759 many materials. Why is looking like you work at a spa? Suddenly? 1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:43.160 I signed? Did rich people get so bored with having 1:21:43.280 --> 1:21:46.200 so many things that they thought the most important things 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:49.120 are going to be things that look like nothing? And 1:21:49.360 --> 1:21:51.920 I don't think so honey, what you're a you're a 1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:55.240 fashion blocker, and you're showing me that you have a 1:21:55.400 --> 1:22:00.240 top that looks like fifteen someone's baby's skin and at 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:04.400 pants that look like someone else's brother, and both those 1:22:04.439 --> 1:22:07.880 people are white. I don't want it five seconds. I 1:22:07.880 --> 1:22:11.120 don't think so, honey. I When I get something and 1:22:11.160 --> 1:22:12.479 I spend a lot of money on it, I want 1:22:12.479 --> 1:22:14.560 everyone to know headlines. 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:20.479 And that's honestly it does. I think I'm going to 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.920 say something big fashion got worse when we want minimalists. 1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:26.320 The other thing to know is that, like minimalism looks 1:22:26.400 --> 1:22:30.519 very different on a person who spent twenty years creating 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:34.160 their body, Yes, whereas like minimalism on a person who's 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:38.360 just trying to survive? Is it different as a s Yeah, 1:22:38.400 --> 1:22:42.479 it's just a shirt that looks and like what you 1:22:42.520 --> 1:22:44.880 want me to get? Spend five hundred dollars on a 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:47.080 T shirt that looks like the one that I wore 1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:49.360 over my bathing suit when I went to the breakers 1:22:49.360 --> 1:22:50.960 with my grandma in nineteen ninety two. 1:22:51.439 --> 1:22:53.720 Well, it looks dirty on purpose a little bit, so 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:54.919 that's why it's more expensive. 1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:59.479 Yeah, that's that's exactly right. And it looks like someone 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:06.080 sewed it in a Shaker community. 1:23:03.439 --> 1:23:05.519 And you can see the stitching. That's why it's eight 1:23:05.560 --> 1:23:06.360 thousand dollars. 1:23:06.479 --> 1:23:08.840 I'm mad. I'm so mad, and I see things that 1:23:08.880 --> 1:23:10.720 I just go you're really trying to tell me this, 1:23:11.360 --> 1:23:13.479 and I don't want to indulge in fast fashion. I'm 1:23:13.479 --> 1:23:15.920 not trying to hurt the planet. I know that, but 1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:18.960 I don't want what you're offered. So I'm gonna have 1:23:19.000 --> 1:23:21.880 to go to Forever twenty one. Yeah, I'm gonna have 1:23:21.920 --> 1:23:23.599 to go to Forever twenty one. Thank you for giving 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:24.120 me the space. 1:23:24.680 --> 1:23:27.200 Of course, I'm gonna have to go to Forever twenty 1:23:27.200 --> 1:23:29.800 one being the poke being they that's the title of that. 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:32.040 I'm gonna have to go Forever twenty one. 1:23:32.200 --> 1:23:34.000 The first time for Ever twenty one opened, I was like, 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:35.080 this is a utopia. 1:23:35.160 --> 1:23:38.479 Oh one like me. It felt like something that wasn't 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:42.160 for us in one of the things that like it 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:43.439 was one of those moments where it's like, you know, 1:23:43.439 --> 1:23:44.840 when you're like a little gay boy and you see 1:23:44.960 --> 1:23:47.080 justin Timberlake and all the girls are excited, but you 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:49.640 can't be no, so you get angry. That's how I 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:51.920 felt about for Ever twenty one, they have a place 1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:52.760 to go hang out. 1:23:52.840 --> 1:23:55.559 But then we would go at NYU at the Forever 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:58.040 twenty one Union Square and that was a haven. 1:23:58.240 --> 1:24:02.120 Well finding out that they even sold for slash ma'am. 1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:03.800 I used to like if it was a hot day 1:24:03.880 --> 1:24:05.760 and I was in a dress in my thighs, until 1:24:05.800 --> 1:24:07.479 you just pop into Forever twenty one and get a 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:10.080 pair of like Neon bike shorts. It's only your outfit 1:24:10.200 --> 1:24:11.080 is singing. 1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:15.560 Yeah beautiful Famesick April fourteenth. 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:17.799 I love being with you two, and it's so special 1:24:17.840 --> 1:24:20.280 to have our group chat come to life in this way. 1:24:20.320 --> 1:24:23.439 And thank you for everything you've given me friendship, changing 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:26.280 my life, through helping me quit vaping. Reading the book 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:27.640 so thoughtfully. 1:24:27.320 --> 1:24:30.680 We love every single page of it, just like we 1:24:30.760 --> 1:24:34.519 love everything that you've done. I mean, like it's not 1:24:35.280 --> 1:24:39.760 a lie that show you're one of the most important 1:24:39.800 --> 1:24:42.479 people to our generation in terms of pop culture, in 1:24:42.560 --> 1:24:43.560 terms of what you contributed. 1:24:43.680 --> 1:24:46.280 Life is so, life is just It's just so. 1:24:46.720 --> 1:24:47.679 That's the title of app. 1:24:47.800 --> 1:24:50.679 I Love you, guys. It's just so thanks for having 1:24:50.720 --> 1:24:54.200 me and for jacking me up for three days to 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:55.560 take forty two benadrel. 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.200 That's actually in vogue. Okay. We end every episode with 1:24:59.200 --> 1:25:03.120 the song you Know the One, you Know the One 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:05.320 you go I was curious if you know the one? 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:14.120 And the rest of that watched the best episode of 1:25:14.160 --> 1:25:15.000 television of all. 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:21.679 Time, Sexistential. 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