1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome man, it is a Friday edition 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, and you 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: need to buckle up because it's gonna be a wild 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: ride today. As many of you, all of you, I 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: probably should say no. Yesterday afternoon evening, Donald Trump officially 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: indicted by New York City District Attorney Alvin Bragg. We 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: have not yet seen exactly what the charges are, but 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: every report is that it's somehow related to the Stormy 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: Daniels hundred and thirty thousand, maybe also the hundred and 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars that went to Karen McDougal, two different stories. 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: You heard us talking about some of the particulars of 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: those yesterday, and we will certainly be talking about them 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: a great deal today. Giving you a little bit of 15 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: a heads up. Andy McCarthy, who I think is probably 16 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: the best legal analyst in all of the country. The 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: only thing I have against him as he's a Jets 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: and a Mets fan, which is an awful combo. He 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: is going to be on with us a little bit 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: after one o'clock Eastern, so about an hour from now, 21 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: and I bet I'm just gonna put a pin in this. 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: I bet that will be the most intelligent discussion you 23 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: will hear about the legal aspects surrounding these charges and 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: what we know right now. Again, that is in one 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: hour we will talk with him. Also, this was scheduled 26 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: in advance. I think this will be a really interesting 27 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: conversation for all of you to be able to enjoy 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: as we go into the weekend, to put everything in 29 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: kind of perspective. At two thirty Eastern, that's eleven thirty 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: on the West Coast, Benjamin Hall, who was horribly injured 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: in Ukraine, Fox News reporter, he will join us. He 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: has got a book out and he will be just 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: talking about his recovery from those injuries that he suffered 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: in that attack in Ukraine. So that is the roadmap 35 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: of where we are going. But this is no great 36 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: surprise by a large The entire show is going to 37 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: be about the Trump indictment. It's impact all of the 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: legacy aspects of this as well. It's also Friday, eight 39 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: hundred two eight two two eight eight two. And what 40 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: I would encourage callers is we don't want your opinion 41 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: necessarily right now, intelligent questions, intelligent thoughts, further the conversation. 42 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,399 Speaker 1: If you want to call in and discuss this incident, 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: this indictment with both Buck and myself, that's what we're 44 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: looking for, not just hey, you know, let's waive the 45 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: Trump flag. Hey, this is a big, big deal in 46 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: terms of the twenty four primary season. We will talk 47 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: about all of that, but I'm interested in your smart, 48 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: reasoned takes that can further our conversation into a more 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: intelligent fashion. Because Buck, to me, this is I'm putting 50 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: my history nerd cap on here. You and I are 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: both history nerds. This is an unpressed, sended act in 52 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: the two hundred and forty year history of the United 53 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: States of America. Never before has there ever been a 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: president or former president who has faced charges, certainly not 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: being brought by an elected Democrat district attorney in a 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: state that is rife with political opposition. So my biggest 57 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: takeaway here, regardless of what happens with Trump, is this 58 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: is a cross the Rubicon moment where it used to 59 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: be unheard of that a president, or a presidential candidate 60 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: or a former president would ever face charges, particularly those 61 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: rooted clearly in political animus. Now, I'm unfortunately of the 62 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: opinion that it is going to become standard. And you 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: want to talk about actual threats to democracy. This is 64 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: what democrats have been screaming since Trump came down the 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: escalator in the Trump Tower, that he is an unparalleled 66 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: threat to our democracy. Democrats, with the raid on Mara 67 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: Lago and now with the charges being brought against Trump, 68 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 1: have broken two hundred and forty years of political tradition 69 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: and they have engaged in behavior that, in my opinion, 70 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: is a direct attack upon the foundations of our democracy. 71 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: Whatever you might think about Donald Trump himself, the purpose 72 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: of this, I think Clay is And you know, I 73 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: was trying to just sort of relax yesterday on the 74 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: couch the wife text message start flooding in. You know. 75 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 1: You know you have that too in our business when 76 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: you're when it's you know, after sort of standard working 77 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: hours and you get fifteen text messages in a row 78 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: for different people. And I remember thing, I was like, 79 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: oh God, it's a Trump in Diamond, isn't it. But 80 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: year only when you get your phone blows up like that. 81 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: I think one of two things. Either something crazy has 82 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: happened in the news or my wife is mad at 83 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: me because of something one of the kids have done. 84 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: There's no for me that that's one of the only 85 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: two things that could be. So the precedent is the 86 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: point here, and I think that's really important for everyone 87 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: to understand. My first thought with this is we are 88 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: now all in the Trump bunker, because everybody on the 89 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: right understands. And I know a lot of people were before, 90 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: but I'm saying now everybody on the right is in 91 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: the Trump bunker. Ronda Santis put out a statement right away, 92 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: by the way, saying that he would not participate in 93 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: the extradition of Donald Trump from Florida because of the 94 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: obvious politicization here. I think that's noteworthy. Ron's a guy 95 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: who knows the law obviously very well, and he recognizes 96 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: on illegal and also on ethical grounds, on moral grounds, 97 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: standing with Trump in this moment for our country is 98 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. The setting of the precedent here, 99 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: I would argue Clay is likely, and this this is 100 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy was the first person that I think said 101 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: this publicly, so all credit him, and I know he's 102 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: coming on the show later, but it's likely. The breaking 103 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: of the damn moment. It's gonna be a lot of 104 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: metaphors everybody, a lot of metaphors, maybe cliches, even when 105 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: something like this happens. But it is a breaking of 106 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: the damn. I think because there's the Georgia indictment about 107 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: I forgot the specific charge. There could be a bunch 108 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: of different charges, but it's essentially inducement to commit election 109 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: fraud something along those lines, almost like conspiracy to commit 110 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: election fraud. The specific Georgia's statutory language maybe a little 111 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: bit different. There's also the Moro Lago documents thing. By 112 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: the way, I don't see that because of the Biden issue, right, 113 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: they have to They're not trying to keep the veneer 114 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: of legality going for our side. We already know that 115 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: this is a political attack, but their own side, there 116 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: are Democrats who want to believe that this is legitimate 117 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: at some level. So that's the only thing I think 118 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: that holds them back. They want to be able to 119 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: tell their democrats, see, we're upholding the rule of law, 120 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: and in their simplistic fashion, they'll believe them. So I 121 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: think this is the beginning of other indictments, and it 122 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: could even include and this is the one that I 123 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: think is the one they really want is seditious insurrection 124 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: effectively or the conspiracy to commit insurrection or fraud against 125 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: the United States. That would be the federal charge that 126 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland would have to go with. Eventually, maybe we 127 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: don't get there, maybe we don't go there. This also 128 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: allows them to see how the escalation plays out, right, 129 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: This allows them with a much more minor charge. Let's 130 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: see how far they get with this. Let's see what 131 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: the reaction from the right is. I do think, and 132 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: maybe I'm too much of an optimist Clay, although I 133 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: don't think people usually would accuse me of that. I 134 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: think that they will be surprised by how united around 135 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: Trump the right has become on this issue. We had 136 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: a bit of this with a Maralago raid where everybody 137 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: I was thinking back to that last night, a very 138 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: similar feel to what happened yesterday. But I think that 139 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: they're going to see a unified right. I think it's 140 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: also very likely pushed Donald Trump to an unassailable position 141 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: in the Republican primer. I wouldn't say it's over and 142 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: done with, but I would say it has certainly been 143 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: a boost for him in that direct and this is 144 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: about a lot more than a frivolous indictment based on 145 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: a payoff to an individual for a nuisance lawsuit or whatever. 146 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: This is about the ability of the apparatus of the 147 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: Democrats of the left to target individuals for political purposes 148 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: brazenly and openly and use the law as a weapon 149 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: to do it. Buck, here's another angle. And I think 150 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: everything you said is right. The bidendj and the Biden 151 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: White House, I keep waiting for this to happen. I 152 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: don't believe they've issued any statement yet. They're going to 153 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: be able to say this isn't us. Remember the Shaggy defense, 154 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't me back in the day, the popular popular 155 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: song gets caught cheating, just says it wasn't me. The 156 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: Department of Justice and the Biden administration can say it's 157 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: not us. That's the New York City Prosecutor, Alvin Bragg. 158 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: He's not a federal agent. If the charges are brought 159 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: in the State of Georgia, they can say this is 160 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: not us, this is an investigation the state of Georgia. 161 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: It actually lets Merit Garland off the hook, and it 162 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: even allows Biden potentially to play statesman by saying these 163 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: are not federal charges that by and large are being 164 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: brought by my Department of Justice. I don't think it's 165 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: appropriate that I should be involved in any way in 166 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: going after a chief political opponent. But I'm not in 167 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: charge of the decisions that individual prosecutors make in their 168 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: particular jurisdictions. And that is to me, as I was 169 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: sitting back and thinking about this, that is the tiny 170 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: little thread that allows Biden to get all of the 171 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: benefits of charges being filed against Trump while being able 172 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: to hold his hands and palms to the sky and 173 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: say it wasn't me. I didn't do this. This is 174 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: the United States justice system, individual jurisdictions going after Trump. 175 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: We're not involved at all. And that's where I think 176 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: we probably end up. I think charges are going to 177 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: be brought in George as well, and then you'll have 178 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: a two fronted eagle war. And I still think because 179 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: of the Biden classified documents of fiasco that Merritt Garland 180 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: ultimately will will come out and say I'm not going 181 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: to be able to get involved in bringing charges against Trump. 182 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: I've decided against it. I'm gonna wag my finger on 183 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: the docks and think about you think about January sixth 184 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: as well. I think I think even on January sixth, yes, 185 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: because now they're getting the benefit of Trump being charged. Look, 186 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: the mug shot, the purp walk, the fingerprinting, all of 187 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: that is what they really want. And here's here's my 188 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: big picture thought. Aside from the historical awfulness of this buck, 189 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: they want Trump. They want Trump in the ring against 190 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: Biden because they believe, and it may be a misguided opinion, 191 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: that the only person Joe Biden can beat is Donald Trump. 192 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: So this helps them, I believe, get Trump in that 193 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: boxing ring with them for the rematch of twenty twenty. 194 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: Let's be very honest with each other here, everybody about 195 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: First of all, you know what the message that has 196 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: been sent by this is, which is you, meaning everyone listening, 197 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: better stay in line and obey and shut your mouth 198 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: and do what the left wants, or else you challenge 199 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: the system, they'll come after you. That's the message. Now, 200 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: they're not going to come after everybody, but they don't 201 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: have to. As the point, they will. They have the 202 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: ability to come after absolutely everyone. And I think it's 203 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: important to remember that the Russia collusion hoax, which we 204 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: all sit around now and say, wow, that was crazy, 205 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: that was so it was it was insane, it was wrong. 206 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: It's really evil too to put the country through that. 207 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: Democrats view it as success, and you really have to 208 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: let that sink in from them. With the Democrats view 209 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: Russia collusion as at least a partial success, it meant 210 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: that Trump spent how much of his time, how much 211 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: of his energy, and his staffers, and his White House 212 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: and his press allies and people in the media who 213 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: supported them, people like you and me. How much time 214 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: did we have to end playing defense against a fantasy. Ye, 215 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: now we're going to be playing defense against Yes, grotesque 216 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: abuse of the law, politicized indictments. But for them it's 217 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: all upside, just like how our initial assessment of brag 218 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: Um was there's nothing but upside for him to bring 219 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: the charges. Apparently they had two grand juries going by 220 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: the way, which is what threw us when they said 221 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: the one was being delayed for a month, right, they 222 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: were multiple was intentional leak though, because they're trying to 223 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they played the media like a 224 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: fiddle there because they were able to make people think, oh, 225 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: like even the Trump people at Marlago were like, oh, 226 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: let's let's let's pause a little bit, like this is 227 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: not necessarily was to make look it was it was tactics. 228 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent right, and we can't you know, 229 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm not in that grand jurm. You're not in that 230 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Grand juram. So we can only go based off of 231 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: what the reporting is. But the message is very clear. 232 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: We all understand. This is a moment where we're calling 233 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: in the cavalry on the right. Everyone's coming together and saying, 234 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: hold on a second, there's something deeply ethically morally wrong. 235 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: This is doing violence to the Constitution. I know people say, oh, 236 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: it's just a state charge, or it's not that big 237 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: a deal. No, it is a huge deal. It's a 238 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: conspresidential candidate. It's a huge deal, and we all know that. 239 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: But we also have to understand what do they really want. Yes, 240 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: they want Donald Trump and handcuffs, Yes they want the 241 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: perp walk, but also they want to win. Yep. So 242 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: if we want justice, it's not just Trump beating this 243 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: meaning the charge. It's a Republican, it's Donald Trump, it's 244 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: somebody for our side in the White House in twenty 245 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: twenty four. We have to keep our eye on the prize, 246 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: no doubt. I want to talk more about the state 247 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: aspect of these charges and what it might mean as 248 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: a precedent going forward, because I think that's hugely significant. 249 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that and more coming up. Obviously, we're 250 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: breaking down every possible angle associated with Donald Trump officially 251 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: being indicted. In the meantime, most colleges carry a claim 252 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: to fame, something that distinguishes them as unique. Hillsdale College's 253 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: place in history is known to many as place to 254 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: explain and defend our nation's freedoms. They've been doing that 255 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: in a variety of ways since eighteen forty four, that's 256 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: nearly one hundred and eighty years. But they're also known 257 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: for the way in which they attend to their primary 258 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: responsibility as educators, providing the best classical liberal arts education 259 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: in America. Bold statement, but a true one too. When 260 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: their students graduate, they've studied the great books, the history 261 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: of Western civilization in America and the meaning and history 262 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: of the Constitution. Maybe the only four year college out 263 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: there that requires students take one or more full semester 264 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: courses studying our constitution. Hillsdale was founded to offer the 265 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: kind of education needed to preserve civil and religious liberty. 266 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: You know our nation's history, Think back to your history 267 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: classes where America was in the early eighteen hundreds. Hillsdale 268 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: accomplishes all of this while refusing to accept a single 269 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: penny of taxpayer funding. They choose not to be beholden 270 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: to any government mandate. Learn more about Hillsdale at Clay 271 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: and Buck four Hillsdale dot com. That's Clay and Buck 272 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: four Hillsdale dot com. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton voices 273 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: of sanity and insane World. If you wanted a prescient 274 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: vision of the future from our past, you couldn't do 275 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: any better than the one and only rushed Limball. This 276 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: was back on January eighth of twenty twenty one, on 277 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: the issue of a Trump indictment. We wanted to bring 278 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: in Rush's voice here play it. I know they desperately 279 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: want Trump gone, and I know that they desperately want 280 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: it codified that Trump cannot run again, because make no mistake, 281 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: they remain scared to death of you, and they remained 282 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: scared to death of Trump. Trump seventy five million, eighty 283 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: million votes, and I'm going to tell you You're not 284 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: going anywhere even if Trump does, You're not. They can't 285 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: separate you from the ideas, they can't separate you from MAGA, 286 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: they can't separate you from Make America Great Again, which 287 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: I think remains one of our big campaign strength going forward. 288 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: They believe that they can destroy this bond that exists 289 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: between you and Trump if they somehow make Trump look bad, 290 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: make Trump look like a reprobate, embarrass you about Trump. 291 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: They can't do it because you came before Trump, Clay. 292 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: I think what's so critical and Rush saw this was 293 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: that it's not enough even for Trump to not be 294 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: in office. For the Democrats, they have to destroy the movement. 295 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: And the movement is among Trump supporters. The movement is 296 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: among people who believe in him and what he stood 297 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: for for four years and wishes to stand for again. 298 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: And I think that, and I think Rush saw this 299 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: more than anything else, is pushing what's going on right 300 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: now with this indictment. Yeah, and when we come back, 301 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: and I think that was well said. When we come back, 302 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the precedent more because all 303 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: over America there are elected Democrat prosecutors that we've been 304 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: focused on because they aren't keeping their cities safe. You've 305 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: seen crime waves surge up like never before in the 306 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: twenty first century. And all of these Democrat prosecutors now 307 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: are looking at Alvin Bragg and they're jealous of the 308 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,239 Speaker 1: attention that he got, of the big fish that he 309 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: has reeled in. Why would they not do the same 310 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: thing to try to charge anyone they could with any 311 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: crime in an effort to elevate their own political profile. 312 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: I think this is going to be one of the 313 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: big lessons that everybody needs to take note of, because 314 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: it's not going to stop with Alvin Bragg and Trump. 315 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: We're just beginning a new era in American policy. I 316 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: want to make an argument play as part of that discussion, 317 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: Mean rings back about how this has been building actually 318 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: for a decade, much longer even than Trump has been 319 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: in office. 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Let's just start with your 347 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: We just want the Andy reaction to Wow, they actually 348 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: are doing it. They're doing it. You know, I really 349 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: they told me Buck, because I thought when they said 350 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: the grand jury was gone for a month, it looked 351 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: like he was folding and same same here by the way, 352 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: we just assumed it's that seems like a weird head fake. Well, 353 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think what they wanted to do was 354 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: get all twenty three grand jurors there to vote on it, 355 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: because they probably it's not the kind of case you 356 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: would want to vote with less than close to the 357 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: full amount. They probably wanted to get them there with 358 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: as little fans there as possible, so they could get 359 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: in and do what they thought they needed to do. 360 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: And so it worked. It was good head fake. All right, 361 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: what now, you've you've been involved in high profile cases 362 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: in New York City for a long time, granted on 363 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: the federal side, this is the state side. What would 364 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: you anticipate happening now? For everybody out there that is 365 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: listening and trying to think, uh, you know, procedurally, where 366 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: we are headed, what the time frame will look like, 367 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: what next Well, I think, you know, obviously, we have 368 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: the circus in town on Tuesday, which is a pretty 369 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: pro form uh you know, normal event in a criminal case. 370 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: They're going to bring the former president and he's not 371 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: going to be arrested. He'll be brought in in the 372 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: custody of the Secret Service to the DA's office. NYPD 373 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: will be there. The DA's office, for those who don't know, 374 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: in Lower Manhattan, is connected to the courthouse during the 375 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: same complex. So he'll be processed, which means fingerprints and mugshots, 376 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: and then he'll be brought before a judge who will 377 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: take a plea. He'll plead not guilty, and then as 378 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: as The New York Post is reporting that Trump thinks 379 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: that the judge is already selected and that it's the 380 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: judge who had the case involving his financial diet the 381 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: Trump organization, Alan Weiselberg, a judge by the name of 382 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: merch On. We'll have to see if that's true or not. 383 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: But what will happen once to day is done is 384 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: if Trump's not going to have bail conditions. This is 385 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: a non file violent crime, so he'll be released on 386 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: his own cognizance, and then the case will be in 387 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: the hands of the judge who will be responsible for thereafter. 388 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: And there's going to be a slew of motion practice 389 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: because this is the unusual case where there's probably a 390 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: lot of reasons, very culpable reasons to move to dismiss 391 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: the case. So it's a congested court, which means even 392 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: normal cases don't get tried for a very very long time. 393 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: And here the complications attendant to it are immense. And Guys, 394 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: that's even assuming for the sake of argument, that no 395 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: other prosecute or files charges, which we I don't think 396 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: can safely assume them. So Andy, can I ask on 397 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: the let's assume that it doesn't if it has that 398 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: judge who I think we could say is an anti 399 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: Trump judge or guy who's not inclined. This is not 400 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: the judge of Trump would want there. The Trump people 401 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: have already said Trump's lawyer I saw last night. There's 402 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: a couple of lawyers. One of them said Trump will 403 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: absolutely not take a plea deal because I would assume 404 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: him in a non violent, low level um campaign finance issue. Right, 405 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Usually this would be something that probably someone pays a 406 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: fine rioty, you know, and they'd offer that, oh, you 407 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: pay a fine, plead guilty. But if Trump says no, 408 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: there is there a real possitive Could this have any 409 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: jail time attached to it? I mean, could someone actually 410 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: go to I think, But in principle the answer to 411 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: that question would have to be yes, because what he's 412 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: trying to do is inflace the misseemeter into a felony. 413 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: Right now, as a as a matter of law, I 414 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: don't think he can do it, So I think he's 415 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: bragg is. It'll lose on that. But let's just say, 416 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: for argument's sake that he's indicted him for felonies, and 417 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: he could get convicted of felonies. Each of those felonies 418 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: is a four year town And that's a long winded 419 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: way of bringing me to my next point, which I 420 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: don't think he's gotten enough attention, but something we should 421 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: keep our eye on, and that is apparently this is 422 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: a thirty four count indictment, and it's a it's a 423 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: kind of a typical prosecutorial abuse, which in justice Department 424 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: in federal cases, has guidance against gens, telling federal prosecutors 425 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: not to do this, that if you don't have a 426 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: serious crime, what you try to do is camouflage with 427 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: quality or quantity what you don't have in quality. You 428 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: take something that shouldn't even be indicted at all, and 429 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: you turn it into thirty four felony counts, and you 430 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: hope to signal to the jury that, gee, the government 431 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: wouldn't have charged thirty four counts unless this was a 432 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: really serious So any this is like the count of 433 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: countless counts, right, So you know, look, any prosecutor can 434 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: do this kind of thing. Like you know, if if 435 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: we three guided were, you know, sitting around looking at 436 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: our stolen property, and we were passing it back and 437 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: forth to each other. In theory, each time we passed 438 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: it back and forth, I could charge a transfer of 439 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: stolearn property account right a felony account. But in reality 440 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: we're just sitting there with stolen property right in, one 441 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: count would be plenty, And good prosecutors, ethical prosecutors who 442 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: have serious passes don't bring a million pouns because you 443 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: don't need a million pouns. The Justice Department guidance says 444 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: that in any but the most serious tenses, you shouldn't 445 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: have more than fifteen counts in an indictment. So to 446 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: have to turn this thing, which the federal authority who 447 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: had a jurisdiction over it, the Justice Department, in the 448 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: Federal Election Commission, they didn't pursue Trump on this. To 449 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: turn it not only into a felony, but say felony, 450 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: but thirty four felonies by a district attorney who doesn't 451 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: have jurisdiction over it is mind bodling. Okay, that goes 452 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: into what you just kind of hinted at. We're talking 453 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: to Annie McCarthy, who is a formal former federal prosecutor 454 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: in New York City. Okay, so this case may eventually 455 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: go to a jury, there may be a resolution, I 456 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: would presume, and you correct me if I'm wrong, that 457 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: this would theoretically happen sometime in twenty twenty four, legitimately 458 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: potentially in the middle of a presidential election year, which 459 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: is crazy right by itself, but I believe that there 460 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: are and this is me putting my lawyer head on. 461 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: You're a far more skilled criminal lawyer than I am, 462 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: so I want your opinion on this. When I read 463 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: and analyze this, it seems to me there are clear 464 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: statute of limitations issues, Okay. And it also seems, and 465 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: you talked about this with us the last time you 466 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: were on that trying to peg in many ways a 467 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: state violation to federal election law violations is a very tenuous, 468 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: without precedent in many ways method of which President Trump 469 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: is being charged. I think that as we move up 470 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: in the appeals process and it becomes a question of 471 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: law for judges both in New York and maybe then 472 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: as it crosses over to higher level courts, theoretically this's 473 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: go all the way to the Supreme Court. Somebody is 474 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: going to toss this out like the Supreme Court did. 475 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: Buck mentioned it earlier, the Bob McDonald charges that were 476 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: convictions were obtained for in Virginia. Do you think that's 477 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: likely And if it is, this is a multi year 478 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: legal process where I mean Trump could theoretically be president 479 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: of the United States before this thing has ever resolved. Yeah. Quite, 480 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: I would say you're not only talking about multi years. 481 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: Your comparison to McDonald is a good one to make 482 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: this point. McDonald was a federal case, so you have 483 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: a straight line to the Supreme Court. Right, you get 484 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: your appeal to the Circuit Court of Appeals, and then 485 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: you automatically go up to the Supreme Court. In the 486 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: state system, Trump would have to go all the way 487 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: through the state process, the state court that he's in 488 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: the appellate division to appeal it, the New York State 489 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: Court of Appeals, and then when his whole New York 490 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 1: thing is run, which takes years, if there's some federal 491 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: issue that impacted the case, the Supreme Court could take it. 492 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: And I say that as somebody who agrees with you, 493 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: that there are multiple reasons where why. And I don't 494 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: want to put work in your out here, but I 495 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: think it's likely that this thing, if the judge is 496 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: doing a job right, that this thing will be thrown 497 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: out before it ever gets the trial. But what I 498 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: would caution people is once a case is in the court, 499 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: that is, once you've indicted the case and a judges assigns, 500 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: the prosecutor loses any control over the schedule. So a 501 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: lot of this will have to do with the proclivities 502 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: of the judge, and some of them to be a 503 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: little eccentric. Even if this is the only case brought 504 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: against Trump. Even if the Fulton County people do nothing 505 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: in the special Cantle fool does nothing. I don't see 506 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: this case get into trial, you said twenty twenty four. 507 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: I would say, yes, no earlier than that, unless it 508 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: gets thrown out before trial. Okay. Building on that, we simultaneously. 509 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: Have you just mentioned the Fulton County case, You've got 510 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: now the New York City case. Also you have the 511 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: investigation going on into the Mara Lago classified documents as 512 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: well as January sixth, I floated this idea. I'm curious 513 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,479 Speaker 1: what your expectation. This is the political as much as 514 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: it is the legal. More so probably that I expect 515 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: eventually for the Biden administration to come out and adopt 516 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: what I'm calling the Shaggy defense, which is saying, for 517 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: those of you who remember the song back in the day, 518 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't me right. That Biden can say, hey, this 519 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: is a state court, I'm not involved in this at all, 520 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: and that this could take Merrick Garland off of having 521 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: to bring any federal charges, because really what Democrats want 522 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: Trump to face charges in some way, and if he 523 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: gets him maybe in Atlanta, and he's got him in 524 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: New York City. The federal aspect of this, Biden could 525 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: even say, hey, I'm going to pardon Trump and look 526 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: like the good guy, but it wouldn't impact whether those 527 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: state courses could still be proceeding. Do you buy into 528 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: that idea, Yeah, I think it's entirely possible. What cuts 529 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: against it is that it looks right now like the 530 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: Special Cancel is stepping up his investigative activity, you know, 531 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: the pursuit of having pense, testifying, the grand jury, the bringing. 532 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying, Andy, is Biden could look 533 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: like the good guy by saying there's clear violations here, 534 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: but I think it's bad for the country for my 535 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: Department of Justice to be charging Trump with crimes. We're 536 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: not going to do it. And then he still gets 537 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: the benefit of the state courts doing it while also 538 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: looking like a good guy. But not. But Andy, it 539 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: sounds like you think that because I think this, that 540 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: there may actually be federal charges coming. Yeah. I think that, 541 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: But you know two things. To Clay's point, I think 542 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: there's no hurry on the federal side. Right The estion 543 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: of limitations on this stuff is not going to run, 544 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: so it earliest twenty twenty five, so they don't have 545 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: to plant their feet. Biden can't, I don't think, come 546 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: out and say I don't want my Justice Department getting 547 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 1: involved in this, because he's been a stickler from the 548 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: beginning of saying that the White House has nothing to 549 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: do with how the Justice Department is run. And because 550 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: of the jeopardy that the Biden family is in, he 551 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: can't afford to be taking the public position that he's actually, 552 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, willing and dealing and controlling what the Justice 553 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: Department does. So I don't see him doing that, but 554 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: I could see him doing a silent version of it. 555 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: Whereas like the Justice Department has a lot of investigative 556 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: activity like they're doing now, but they don't actually charge anything. 557 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: They get all the benefit of the circus going on 558 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: in the safe proceedings, and in the meantime, they could 559 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: afford to keep their powdered dry because they don't have 560 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: to charge Trump until twenty twenty five, the earliest. So Andy, 561 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: in your mind, just one more for your then we 562 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: got to run to a break. Is there a realistic 563 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: chance that they put Donald Trump in a cell at 564 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: some point? With all these different investigations? In your mind, 565 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: or are you worried that that's actually what they think 566 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: is going to happen. I don't unless he gets convicted 567 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: of something, Buck, I don't see that. If he gets convicted, 568 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: then it's going to depend on what he gets convicted. 569 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: If it's this nonsense in New York, you know, I'm 570 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: tempted to say, there's no way except you know, you 571 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: guys mentioned the accountant before Weifelberg is sitting in Rykers Island, 572 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: you know what would That's why. That's why to me 573 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: it has to be taken seriously because his accountant they 574 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: got him on the most kind of low level mickey 575 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: mouse nonsense. Well, but also he's got Supreme Court sorry, 576 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: he's got Secret Service protection. So I don't even know 577 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: how you could put him in you like, but what 578 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: would happen if Trump were elected president and simultaneously he 579 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 1: was found guilty of a state court charge. Could he 580 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: be President of the United States from a jail cell? 581 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just legally, I'm just trying to even 582 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: think through the permutations here, Andy, And I think what 583 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court would say is if the Senate that 584 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: if the Congress does not impeach and remove him. Then 585 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: what the constitution sentence is, you have to be over 586 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: thirty five, a natural board United States citizens, and resident 587 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: in the country's for fourteen years. If you meet those qualifications, 588 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: the American people, if they want to, if they want 589 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: to elect someone who's doing time in Leavenworth, there's nothing 590 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: the constitutions that they can so, I mean literally, he 591 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: could run the presidency from Rikers Island. Well, that remains 592 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: to be seen. I mean, to me, that would be 593 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: a good reason why, you know, you have to start 594 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: thinking about impeachment if we got to that point. But 595 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, this is so unfrin anyone tells you that 596 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: they know how this is going to work out with 597 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: all the things we're now going to go through that 598 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: we've never gone through. I mean, it's that's the key, 599 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: Like where you're just kind of throwing out random things 600 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: that have never happened before. This is it's wild because 601 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: no one knows where it's where it's gonna go. Andy, 602 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: we need to do like a like a two hour 603 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: sit down podcast with you about this, and we'll have 604 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: to talk to your people about it because we got 605 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: to run your break now. Everyone look for Andy National 606 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: Review and on Fox news Andie McCarthy always illuminating. Sir, 607 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. Thanks guys, have a great weekend, 608 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: you know, Clay, one quick thing and I just keep 609 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: for I just want to introduce in the conversation because 610 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: I've been meaning to say this. Um the reason they're 611 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: one of the reasons they're doing this charge too. 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Fox News 646 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: reporter has an incredible story to share with so many 647 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: of you out there that I think you guys would 648 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: love this is now let me go ahead and give 649 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: you the backstory here. The book is out, It is fabulous, 650 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,439 Speaker 1: and it is saved a war reporter's mission to make 651 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: at home you were, Benjamin is with us. Now, what's 652 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: the last thing you remember before that attack happened? And 653 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: what was your immediate recollection when you became aware of 654 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: what happened with that attack? And we're so glad that 655 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: you have recovered and that you're going to be there 656 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: with your family for years and years to come. Yes, well, 657 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: I mean thanks claim back for having me on. I 658 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And yes, I think back to that 659 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: day every single day really, and I think the last 660 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: thing I remember was driving home thinking that we had 661 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: done our job really well that day, which filmed some 662 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: of the abandoned villagers that have been shelled, no one 663 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: in sight, and I just remember thinking in my head, 664 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: how are we going to edit this piece, what's the 665 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 1: story going to be? How are we going to put 666 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: it together? And out of nowhere, out of the sky. 667 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: The bomb started flying rock right at the car, targeted 668 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: at us. So that was the last moment that I 669 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: remember up to then and cash out and get out 670 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: of the car just before the second bomb hit right 671 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: next to us and knocked me out. And then, of 672 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: course I remember the rest of the day as well. 673 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: Managed to get out of the car, was on fire, 674 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: leg gone, foot gone, you know, shratting across my face, 675 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: badly injured. But then I just remember the forty minutes 676 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: of sitting there trying to think, how do I get home, 677 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: how do I survive? How do I get home to 678 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: my family? So I remember it all very clearly, and 679 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think back to it every day because 680 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: I think it gives me strength to remember that. Hey Benjamin, 681 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: it's Buck Kim. What can you tell us about you know, 682 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: the rescue operation to get you out? You know, we 683 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: do not have a US military presence in country, so 684 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 1: this is a very different situation than correspondence, for example, 685 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: who would have been in Iraq or Afghanistan in previous years. 686 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: How did you get out of the country. Well, that's right, then, 687 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 1: Jen Griffin, or Pentagon correspondent, she found out quite quickly 688 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: and she spoke to John Kirby, who she was with 689 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: at the Pentagon, and he said, look, we cannot go 690 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: into Ukraine. It is government policy. No one's going in 691 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: to get him. If you can get him to the border, 692 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: then we will be there and the US military will 693 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: pick him up and help treat him. And so it 694 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: was on her to find a team who could come 695 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: and get that, and she knew the team from Save 696 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: Our Allies. This is the same incredible group led by 697 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: Sarah Verado who got thousands of people out of Afghanistan 698 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: when that country fell in the US pulled out and 699 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: theyme had this team together in Poland for all former military, 700 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: former intelligence, and they came in without knowing where I was. 701 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: They just knew that the team had been hit, and 702 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: they knew that two of the team were dead, and 703 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: they just started driving. They drove the twenty hours in 704 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: and they tracked me down badly injured in a small 705 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: Ukrainian hospital, but they couldn't get me out of the city. 706 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: The capital city of Key was almost surrounded by the 707 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: Russians at that point, and they couldn't fly me out. 708 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,399 Speaker 1: They couldn't drive me out because the shrapnel in my neck. 709 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: But we found out through intelligence, or they found out 710 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: through intelligence that the Polish Prime Minister was on a 711 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: covert vision to meet to meet the Zelenski And if 712 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: we could reach the Polish Prime Minister's train inside Kiev, 713 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: which is their equivalent to Air Force one, then we 714 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: could get out with the Polish Prime Minister. But that 715 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: involved breaking through the curfew, thirty six hour curfew, and 716 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: that was chet point to checkpoint through the middle of 717 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: the night, and at each one didn't pull out of 718 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: the car by the Ukrainian soldiers at gunpoint. They thought 719 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: that we were Russian team coming in opening up my wounds, 720 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: checking my wounds with no pain meds at that point. 721 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: And so we have this mad dash through the city 722 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: to try and get to the train, and finally, with 723 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: minutes to spare, we got to this train and the 724 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: evacuation finally was able to continue to be completed. But 725 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: what is amazing in the book is that it is 726 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: about these people, these people who risked their own lives 727 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: to come in and save me, who took a look 728 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: at one picture and said, there's an American there who 729 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: needs help. We're going to go in and get him. 730 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,919 Speaker 1: And I tell the backstory is some of the guys 731 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: who came in, people who had lost friends alongside him 732 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,359 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and Iraq, who had lost fathers, and they said, 733 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: we're not going to let another father die and leave 734 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: his children at home. And so it's an incredible story 735 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: about how they risked their lives to come and get 736 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: me and find a way to get me home and 737 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: get me out. We're talking to Benjamin Hall. The book 738 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: is Saved or Reporter's Mission to make It Home. What 739 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: do you It was almost exactly a year ago that 740 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: this happened to you. How have you changed since then? 741 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: What is different in your life? How do you value 742 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: things in your life differently? Many people have had these 743 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: near death experiences have massive changes in their life. How 744 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: would you assess your having changed since then? Yeah, in 745 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: many ways, you know, I feel exactly the same person sometimes, 746 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: and I feel like a totally different and new person 747 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,720 Speaker 1: in many others. And I just think that my outlook 748 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: on life, the things that matter most have changed. And 749 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: all the small things that you know you worry about 750 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: in life, the little details, none of those matter anymore. 751 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: I have this incredibly wide picture of what matters in 752 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: the world, and it is family, It is helping others, 753 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: It is you know, the prior to your country doing 754 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: the big important things. If we do those things together, 755 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: then everything else will sort itself out. And you know, 756 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 1: I appreciate some of these things in a real emotional sense. 757 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: Now I feel it. I feel it inside. And now 758 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 1: I feel a love for my family and the prior 759 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: towards of America, my country, and so I feel different 760 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,120 Speaker 1: in that sense. And I also just think that we 761 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: don't pay enough attention to those things sometimes in life. 762 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: You know, we have to work hard and we had 763 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 1: to do it for one another. And if we do that, 764 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 1: we're going to be in a better place. And that's 765 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: how I plan on continuing my life. Now, Benjamin, what 766 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: can you tell us about your Your plan's not going forward? 767 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 1: I mean, would would you? You're you're continuing, I know, 768 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,360 Speaker 1: to work with Fox. What are your goals now? What 769 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,839 Speaker 1: do you want to be doing now? Well, the most 770 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,840 Speaker 1: important thing is I want to keep moving forward, you know. 771 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 1: And I do the book too, and of course I 772 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: talk about what happened to him, and it's an incredible story. 773 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: But in my mind, I'm looking forward, I'm looking at 774 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: what we can do next, not what happened in the past, 775 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to get back to work. I 776 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,160 Speaker 1: want to start telling stories of some of these heroes 777 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: that I met, the heroes who helped me, talking about 778 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: some of the incredible things out there, the community of 779 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,160 Speaker 1: people out there. You know, I've spent fifteen years covering 780 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: wars and somehow I feel like there's a slight. You 781 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: asked you what have changed abound myself? And this is 782 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: a change in my work as well. The focus that 783 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: I want to want to look at has changed as well, 784 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: So I think that's where I want to go next. 785 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: But the main thing is I want to keep working again. 786 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 1: You know, having these injuries, you know, losing limbs, it's 787 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: don't stop you from doing anything in life. You know, 788 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: you've got to pick yourself up and you've got to 789 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: work hard and keep working. And that's that's exactly what 790 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: I plan to keep doing. And as soon as possible, 791 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of operations up which have to 792 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: hold me back. I'll be off my legs for a while, 793 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,879 Speaker 1: but as soon as those finished, I'll be be back 794 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: on Abby, back telling these incredible stories. What was it 795 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: like to see your kids and how much did they 796 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,160 Speaker 1: impact your drive to get out of Ukraine and keep 797 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: yourself alive? Everything? Everything. The minute that I was lying 798 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: there on the ground that I know very badly injured, 799 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: I was telling Pr Camerman, who hadn't died at that point, 800 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,760 Speaker 1: and I was saying, I've got to go. I'm so injured, 801 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,279 Speaker 1: We've got to go home. And all I could think 802 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: of is how do I get back to my children? 803 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: What am I going to do? I'm going to crawl 804 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 1: to find them. And even when I was in hospital, 805 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: every day I thought, I'm going to get better every day. 806 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to walk further today, and then if I 807 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: did two steps yesterday and do three steps today, because 808 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: I'm going to go home to see my children. And 809 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: actually when I got home, I remember being quite nervous 810 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 1: before I saw them, because I was so afraid that 811 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 1: they would be somewhat scared of me, that their lives 812 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: would change, that it would be harder for them. So 813 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: I entered my house. 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