WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: That Dang-old Goat Fell Over 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:03.720 Hey there everyone, it's me Josh, and for this week's 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.760 s Y S Case select, I've chosen our episode on 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:10.680 fainting Goats from two thousand eleven. It's about the funniest, 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:15.800 saddest breed of goats around, plus sad kittens too, but 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.800 it's also really cute in a weird way. At any rate, 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.520 this one I will advise you to listen to, accompanyed 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:25.360 by your laptop or phone. Ready to go on YouTube 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:26.960 because there's gonna be a lot of stuff for you 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:33.560 to check out, enjoy it. Welcome to Stuff you should 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:42.400 know from house stuff Works dot com. Hey, and welcome 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:48.560 to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Brant. Yeah, 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:53.880 that's right, that's me fall over. But yes, not yet, Chuck. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.040 We're getting there, okay, okay, Um, how are you doing. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.840 You're feeling a little sick after Los Angeles? Yes, Josh, 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.679 heavy workload and stress usually means Chuck crashes and gets 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.559 sick afterward. Yeah. I came very close. That's what happened. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:09.640 As I was telling you, I'm a walking ad for 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.400 emergency It works really well. It's good stuff, Um, Chuck. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.399 I hope you feel better. Soon, thank you. Um. In 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.480 the meantime, let's talk about the Satanic symbol that is 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.920 the goat. Yeah, the the inverted star is supposed to 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.360 be a goat head, is that right? Yes? That is 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:34.560 actually the bah fomat. It's a I think a seventeenth 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:41.040 century French illustration. Um No, nineteenth century French magician uh 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:47.760 eliphas Levi drew the bah fomat of Mendy's right. Okay, 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.480 and Mendy's is like the key term here. This is 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.680 where the idea that the goat was Satanic came from. Okay, 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.400 so back in the day, back when the Greeks were 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.960 running around Egypt, let's say the fourth sent free bc Um. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:06.800 One of them, Herodotus wrote of the Mendees, people who 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:12.360 lived along the Nile and venerated and essentially worshiped goats, 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:17.239 specifically male goats as symbols of fertility, and the Greeks, 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.919 doing what they did, eventually ripped this idea off and 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.399 labeled their god Pan the the King of the Satyrs, 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.600 half god, half man god who like to woo the 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:34.040 ladies and basically press his male goat sexuality onto them. Right. Okay, 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.000 so we have the idea that a male goat a 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.200 k a ram in a lot of cases, I'm pretty sure, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:47.320 became the symbol for powerful male sexuality. Right as the 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:53.960 Christian Church came about sexuality kind of diverged from um reality. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.720 Uh that that I that concept became more and more taboo, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.480 increasingly taboo, until finally you get to the point where, um, 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:07.880 we arrive at the Knights Templar who supposedly venerated Bafometse 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:10.560 guys pop up a lot with us. They do, um 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.960 that that that image of Bafo met not the nineteenth 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.560 century one, but the image of a goat head, which 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:20.880 they supposedly idolized. Um was used against them to persecute 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:24.440 them as Satanists and kill them. And from that point forward, 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.679 the goat went from pagan god of male fertility or 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:33.080 sexuality to satanic from that moment on to the point 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.480 now where you can look at a goat and you 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.840 get a touch of evil from it, don't you know. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.320 I was just about to counter and say, that's funny, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.680 because goats are the sweetest, most adorable little creatures on 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:47.760 the planet. It depends, first of all, it depends on 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.400 their age, It depends on their size. It depends on 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.360 how readily you can see those satanic eyes of theirs. 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:56.720 It's satan walking their chuck. Let's just come out and 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.800 say it. Okay, well we know we everyone knows the 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.400 head pet goats, so you're not to get me to 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.000 say anything like that. Plus, if you're anything, you're lackey 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:08.160 for the goat lobby. I am. Yeah, what about fainting goats? 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.040 Though I have to agree these are not satanic? They 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.120 are they fall into the cute camp, right, Yeah, it's 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.960 pretty cute and sad and funny, it's all wrapped up 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.200 into one. In fact, I have never experienced such a 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.680 range of emotions as when I watched fainting goats and 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.839 fainting kittens. Yeah, fainting kittens in particular got my goat. 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.800 I just showed Lizzie. It's awesome, she laughed. I thought, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:35.000 it's a hilarious chuck. It's so sad looking though, I know, 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.800 but then they kind of look around and look like 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.920 a stupid kitten and like like a few times and 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.279 they're fine. I I urge anyone who hasn't seen, first 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:46.400 of all fainting goats to go onto YouTube dot com. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:51.040 That's why oh, you tube dot com. It's a kind 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.000 of like a video repository of sorts. You can share video. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.039 Type in yeah, yeah, it's amazing. Um, you type in 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.640 fainting goats and then watch the one with the greatest 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.040 number of hits and you will see what we're talking about. 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.240 I think it's ten million, eight hundred thousand hits right now. 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:09.520 Watch that one. You'll see what we're talking about. The 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.440 rest of the time. You can also, if you want 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.560 to treat yourself, type in fainting goat kittens hyphen original 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.440 video and you'll see what makes me laugh and makes 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.240 Chuck cry. And if you want to really treat yourself, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.799 type in war's be Oh that one's adorable. That little lamb, 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.520 Yeah that's the Is that a lamb or a goat? 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.200 It's a lamb, but a lamb is a female goat, right, 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.120 or it's a baby goat. Isn't a goat? A mail 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.280 lamb a baby goat as a kid, a lamb is 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:40.520 a lamb. Huh oh yeah, lamb is a baby sheep. Yeah, Okay, 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:45.240 we're all set. No need for emails, everybody my autonic goats. Okay, 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.080 So yeah, there's other names for these things. Now that 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:49.760 hopefully you've gone and watched this, you're up to speed, 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.480 and you don't know we're about to be talking about, 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.680 because we are going to explain this weird phenomenon that 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.479 is feigning goats a k a. As you just said, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:05:59.560 my autonic goats. What else, Chuck where is some other 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.640 awesome names for these things? The Tennessee stiff legs just 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.520 good name for a band, as is my atonic Goats, 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.839 Tennessee wooden legs, nervous goats, and fall down goats. Imagine 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.560 fall down goats was pretty early in the game. So 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.280 that's what Bam Bam from Flintstem calls exactly. Uh, they 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:19.440 go by several different names, Josh, but they are not 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.000 fading at all. Actually, no, no, And we should say 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.200 if you are too lazy to go look up this 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.159 YouTube video and you don't know what we're talking about. Basically, um, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.320 these goats videos of goats who are being chased by 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.400 like a farmer or something with an umbrella, and all 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.920 of a sudden, they'll just stiffen up and fall over 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.520 and it looks like they fainted dead away or possibly 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.039 died and instantly gone into rigor mortis It looks like 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.039 they've been shot and killed by a sniper exactly. And 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.040 then after a second, they just kind of get up 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.200 and and uh, you know, run away some more um 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.320 and yeah, they're called feigning goats, but it's not at 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:56.799 all what's going on instead, chuck, it's like an altered 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:01.720 startle response. Right. Yeah, it's congen little condition. Means they 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.359 get it since you know their little baby kid goats, 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:09.160 they were born with it. It's called myotonia congenita. And 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.160 there's another couple of names, the Becker type disease or 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.760 Thompson's disease, and you know they basically we'll get into 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.560 the specifics. But what happens is they tense up like 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.480 the fight or flight. Like if an explosion went off 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.800 right behind you right now, you tense up and then 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.280 go Maybe what happens here is they tins up and 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.880 they don't untense. They stay stiff long enough to fall 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.360 over on their side as if they were dead. Appropriately. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.480 Robert Lamb, who wrote this article, points out it's like that, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.240 you know, when you tense up from a from a 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.160 fight or a startle or danger, flight or fight, fight, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:50.760 fight or flight. It's been a while, clearly Um, that 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.360 tension that's relieved almost immediately. That basically your brain like 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.840 getting your body like zapped into preparedness, like like get 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.640 ready to run. Stop thinking about tutsie, roll pops, jerk, 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.840 It's time for you to to kick some bottom. Yeah. 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:08.880 Or in the goats case, quit thinking about that big 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.320 patch of grass. Right, there's a wolf behind you running 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.320 get out of here exactly. But instead of running, they 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.320 tense up, they fall over because their muscles take about 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.640 ten or twenty seconds to relax. Right. Yes, so you 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:27.280 talked about um myotonic, they're myotonic goats. Myotonia exists in 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.120 more than just um goats. It exists in humans as well, 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.760 kittens we said, yeah, um satis video however, so awesome. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.520 And mayotonia is basically this, Uh, it's a nervous it's 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.040 a disorder of the central nervous system, a congenital one 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.840 like you said, chuck, Um, that's characterized by stiff muscles 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.280 that they're they're rigid and they take time to relax. Right. Yeah. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.079 I think the voluntary or voluntary muscles we should say, 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.559 not like your cardiac muscle or you're voluntary muscles. Um. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.800 The stat I found was that it affects about one 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.240 and one hundred thousand people and in northern ind an 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.600 Avia one in ten. Huh, who knew? Well, I guess 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.880 they they have a bottleneck up there some sort, because 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.000 not that many people want to move up to cannon Ava. 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.000 I didn't see any kind of explanation for why there 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.200 would be more abundant there. But that's how many it 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.480 effects in people. If it's uh, if you have it, 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.280 there's some medication. It's not that big of a deal. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:25.520 Stay exercise, stay loose, don't walk around big piles of glass, 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.480 I would say, are beds of nails. You don't want 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.360 to fall on anything like that. Maybe you shouldn't be 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.120 driving a car. But I don't think humans actually stiffen 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:34.960 and fall over like the goats. I think it's more 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.480 of a you know, temporary stiffening and or again, as 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.080 Robert Lamb put it, a full body Charlie horse, but 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.719 without the pain. Yeah, yeah, they say they don't feel pain. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.240 I don't know about that. Yeah, we'll get into that 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.280 in a second, all right. But there's a there's a 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:54.200 similar condition to called um myo clonus and um it's 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.640 actually the basis of my favorite, probably my favorite um 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:03.760 physiological trade of humans, the myoclonic jerk. You know, when 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.440 you're falling asleep and then all of a sudden you 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.040 go and awake. Yeah, yeah, that happens to me. And 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.480 if you'll notice, most of the time you're dozing and 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.559 you're you're dreaming of maybe falling down a stare or 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.719 something like that. So apparently your brain is either confused 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.600 that you are in fact falling, or it does it 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.880 doesn't understand why you're why your muscles are relaxing in 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.280 some weird way, and it's jolting you awake. Um, or 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:34.240 it thinks you're dying and it's railing against dying, trying 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.640 to get your heart going again. Of her. Either way, 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:40.760 thank you, body, yes, and mind. But another another name 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.960 for is the hypnic jerk. The hypnic jerk, it's just great. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.040 Do you like it when it happens to you or 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.440 you just it's so it's just funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:51.000 That it's a weird feeling. It's sort of like when 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.760 you when you almost fall back in a chair and 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.360 you catch yourself. There's nothing more like, you know, thrilling 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.640 to the body than that. That. Oh my gosh, I'm 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.080 going to die here in one second exactly, so you're 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.920 you're it's thrilling because your muscles tense up. You have 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.599 to wonder, if you're just sitting there for ten or 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.720 twenty seconds, does your brain your brain apparently would know 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.480 that there's no longer any danger, but you can't move, 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:16.920 which I imagine would kind of be kind of stressful. 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:47.880 In dings Joan, stop in dings, jo. We know that 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:51.400 the brain knows that there's no longer any danger because 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.559 the actual UM disorder is on the cellular level in 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.319 the muscles. Right. Yeah, there's a gene Josh called the 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.400 c l c in one, the chloride channel one gene, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.359 of course, and it's involved in the production of proteins, 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.400 which are you know proteins are good for muscle relaxing 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.840 and contracting and stuff like that. Well, yeah, and chloride 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:17.680 uh ion specifically, right, yeah, what's the deal? Too much chloride? Yeah? 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.600 You will? You want remember check the point of being 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.040 alive as a functioning body is homeostasis, right, right, So 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.800 you want um an equal amount or a relatively comparable 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:32.440 amount of positively charged sodium ions which tell your muscles 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:37.160 to contract and negatively charged chloride ions, which say go 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.760 ahead and relax muscles. Right, Oh, there's not enough chloride 0:12:39.800 --> 0:12:43.160 in this case. Yes, so there's an abundance of sodium 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.120 and not enough chloride, which means that when you when 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.559 the cells are innervated, the muscle cells are innervated with 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:54.200 an electrical impulse from the brain turns up. It takes 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.160 them longer to relax because they're out of whack because 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.679 this gene is not expressing those will ride ions like 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.840 it should be. But so it's not the brain any 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.360 longer thinking that we're afraid or that there's a danger. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.800 It's the muscles. It's all in the muscles, that's right. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.280 And it is hereditary. It can be dominant or ascessive, 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.720 meaning either one of your parents can have the gene 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:22.200 or both. Not too picky there. And uh, the difference 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:27.600 is with the goats is they're actually bread to encourage this, right, 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.040 And here you mentioned something a second ago um that 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.760 kind of smacked of the ethics of it, right, I 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.760 don't remember what it would be, kind of like let's 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.040 go to well just people laughing. Every time I see 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:43.520 those videos, I think the goats, you know, they're all 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.520 they're they're roaming around their pin and then I get 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.240 the feeling they see people coming, They're like, oh God, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.360 here we go again. Some i'm jerk is gonna shoot 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.200 a gun in the air or something and we're all 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.199 gonna fallow and they're gonna laugh at us. Very funny. 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.839 Ha ha, right exactly, So here we go, agare we 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.360 go again? And every time they see a human without fail, 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.480 I'm sure human does that to that and that humans 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.079 laugh and think it's the funniest thing they've ever seen. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:06.839 The goats are just like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:11.280 actually there's two reasons that fainting goats are bred these days. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:17.000 One is for novelty because they do that, and another 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:20.120 is for meat. Basically, yeah, that made me sad. I 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.640 thought it would just be strictly novelty and having them 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.680 as a pet. No. And initially, I mean, that's what's 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.280 what most livestock goats are used for as meat, and frankly, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:35.200 they're delicious, but um, I wouldn't know they're so delicious. Um. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.080 But if you think of them as satanic, you can 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.600 eat them all day long. It's like you're eradicating evil 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:45.160 by eating the goat. You know what? I'm saying, give 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.640 me one of those evil satanic goat tacos. I want 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.280 to do my part. Can I give you like a 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.440 tad of history? Yeah? Do you want to talk about 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.200 the history of it? Okay, I know we're hopping around here, 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:00.880 go on fire like b But the the reason that 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.920 Tennessee stiff legs are fall down goats, as some people 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.600 call them, are called Tennessee stiff legs or Tennessee wooden legs, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:13.120 is because they were brought down from Nova Scotia allegedly 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.680 by a farmhand named John Tinsley. That's what they think. Yeah, 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.480 from what I saw, that was the likeliest explanation. Yeah, 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:24.600 to Marshall County, Tennessee in the late eighteen hundreds eighteen eighties, yep, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:29.800 and he started breeding them, which uh is called unnatural selection. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.320 Will get to that in a second, But um, this, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.840 these the goats whore originally not bred for novelty, right. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.240 It took a hundred years for them to really start 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.240 to be bread for novelty. They were bred because Chuck, 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:44.840 as you pointed out, their muscles don't atrophy, right, they 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.280 do the opposite, right. Well, yeah, I mean, if you 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.200 think there's muscle waste going on, think again, because it 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:55.680 actually makes the animal much leaner for slaughter. Right, it's 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:57.440 hard for me to even say that, right. So there's 0:15:57.520 --> 0:15:59.720 because of all the tensing and untensing that they do 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:03.720 more than the average animal. They're kind of bulk, they're ripped, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.760 they're but so they have a loaf their lean meat. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.720 But there's a lot of meat to um to muscle 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:14.720 as well. So they're prized for their meat and apparently 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:22.200 they're they're propensity toward um myotonism to tensing up. Painting 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.520 prevents them from keep from climbing fences, which is a 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.200 big problem when you're keeping goats as livestock. They like 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.840 to just hop right over a fence to erect forum. Minded. No, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.280 my goats loved being pet goats, I'm sure. Well. No, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.000 we had a big pen and they were actually in 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.720 there with the dogs. We had two dogs and two 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.160 goats and they were I mean the goats I think 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.000 took their cues from the dogs because they were very, 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.920 very playful. And uh, I used to play games with 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.680 my goat, Nestor all the time. Whatever happened uh Nestor, Well, 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.640 Billy died, which is very sad. And then of course, 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.800 and then Nestor. We eventually were like, you know, we 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.280 we need to move Nestor out a farm. So this 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.080 lady took him and Nestor wrote it back to the 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.639 truck with me with his head on my lap the 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.800 whole way. And what the lady dude to Nestor? Do 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.800 you think? I think she kept Nestor as a goat. 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.600 And that's the story I'm sticking to that Nestor was 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.359 a pet until he died of old age. Has a 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.800 beautiful story each other. Y Um, okay, so good. So 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:20.280 your your goats fared very well. I'm glad to hear that. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.160 I remember the goats at my birthday party. They one 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:28.080 of them was a housecoat. Remember, Oh yeah, house goat. Wow. Um. 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.800 So there was an actual reason that feigning goats were 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:36.800 bred initially, and it wasn't for kicks. The Tennessee farmers 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.120 of the eighteen eighties. Actually we're a little more soulful 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.719 than the ones today. And it wasn't funny back then. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.720 Nothing was somebody right, right, Yeah, don't laugh at that. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.600 I can't say it. I just had like eighty great 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.600 jokes in through my hand sor are you talking about 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:57.280 the protection of the herd, not yet. Okay, So the 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.280 goats become an established breed of their own by the 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.880 nineteen fifties, and about that time they started to leave Tennessee. 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.720 I think for Texas was the next place that they 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.919 really spread out. But it wasn't until the nineteen eighties 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:14.040 that the the goats were really diverged into two not 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.240 necessarily two different breeds because they haven't separated yet. But 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:23.920 there's one line that's generally bred for meat, like the 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.280 original version, and the other line is bred as a novelty, 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:32.240 and they tend to be smaller and just faint like that. Cuter, yes, faint, longer, Yeah, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.160 because if you just kind of leave it alone, Um, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:42.680 the the myotonia is worse as a younger worse early 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:44.560 in life. Yeah, they get kind of used to it 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.000 sometimes more they adapt to it. They're not as scared 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.400 later in life. So yeah, younger goat is more prone 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.639 to fall over, exactly so. But I think if you 0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:57.120 compare an adult um fainting goat bread in that line 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.440 to be a novelty to a goat it was spread 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.440 for its meat of the same age, the novelty goats 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.280 can probably fall over at the drop of a hat. 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:10.359 Stough right, right, because farmer thinks that's funny. Well, the 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.080 other reason that that Robert says, they can't find much 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.119 evidence of this anymore, but I guess back in the 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.520 day they would, and this sort of makes sense, they 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:20.800 would they would add some of these fainting goats to 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.520 their herd of regular goats in case there were predators around. 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.800 A pack of wolves come up, scares the little pebbly 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.919 dodo out of these goats, and then the stiff goats 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.120 fall over and get eaten while the other ones take 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.520 off and run. So it essentially it's almost like they're 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:43.240 not bait. But uh, you know, a much easier kill 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.000 keep the wolves occupied so the rest of them can escape. 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:51.199 You know what they are? What sacrificial lamb? Yeah, you're right, 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.119 that's exactly what they are. But there's no evidence that 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.720 that's really the reason that they're breeding them now. No, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.959 and there's apparently not much evidence that or how how 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:02.680 much that was used, as I think it could have 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:08.000 just been a good idea, right yeah, in things like 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:35.600 job in jo in things like job in jo, So Chuck, 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:40.880 the idea of like make no no no mistake. Mayotonia 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:44.840 is a um it's a deficiency, it's a disorder. It's 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:49.480 not a desirable trait. So the idea of taking because 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:55.640 it's an undesirable trait under natural selection, it shouldn't exist, right, 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.679 because if you take a fainting goat out in nature, 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:00.880 like you said, a long with a herd of sheep 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:03.560 or other goats or whatever, h No, they'll they'll be 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.160 the first eating and then they won't have a chance 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:07.680 to reproduce eventually, and he'll that trade to die out. 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:12.880 But then being um bred for that for an undesirable trait, 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:15.800 and then protected by humans, whether by a fence or 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.040 you know, like it, he'll be with he'll a billy 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:22.160 with the shotgun or whatever. That's called unnatural selection, right, Yeah, 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:25.160 nothing natural about it, no, or artificial selection is another 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.439 way to put it. Yeah, And anytime something like that happens, 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:31.440 there's gonna be some people, probably at an organization called Peter, 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.359 that might stand up and say, I don't know if 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:36.320 this is such a cool thing for humans to do. 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.359 And Peter, as expected, isn't the biggest fan of raising 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.440 feigning goats. Humane society isn't so worried about it, and 0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:49.080 they say there's a lot uh more breeding issues in 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.399 the world that we should be more concerned about. And 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.720 neither one of them have an official stance. But no, 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.840 the woman from Peter that Robert interviewed in this article 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:59.399 sounded like she hadn't heard of feigning goats until he 0:21:59.480 --> 0:22:02.080 called her. Oh really, yeah, that's the impression that got. 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:05.360 Oh yeah, the quote is a little vague, isn't it. Yeah, yeah, 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.240 she just like the standard pea quote, just plug in 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:13.160 the animal. Well, who knows. There is no official stance though, 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.960 so maybe maybe Robert alerted her to this whole phenomena. 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.800 But they have an official stance now and it stopped 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.040 breeding feinting goats. It's a little late for that though. 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:25.400 It's a recognized and um prized as a separate American 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.040 breed of goat. There's about three thousand to five thousand 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.880 of them running around and then falling over right, um, 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.159 and they don't look like they're going anywhere. Um. The 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:38.760 Livestock Conservancy, I think is what it's called, UM suggests 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:42.240 that this uh, this breed of goat be very much 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:46.240 um protected and taking care of and conserved, is I 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.399 guess the best word to use. Did I tell you 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.040 about Emily and the little baby goat at the winery 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:54.520 at the winery in Athens. No, we went to uh 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.359 right before this l a trip, you know, we went 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.800 over to Santa Barbara, one country, and we went in 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.520 this one winery and as we were going in, there 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.159 was a guy with a dog outside, and you know, 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:05.840 of course we attacked this dog and repetting it. He said, yeah, 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:07.200 they wouldn't let it in because they got a goat, 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.280 a baby goat in there. So Emily, here's this, of course, 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.000 and it's just like in this inside and saying where's 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.080 the goat? Where's the goat? This lady has a probably 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:20.160 about a six week old kid in her arms, wrapped 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:24.160 in a blanket. That's um has some sort of physical ailment, 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.760 not feigning a goat syndrome. It was part human, part human. 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:31.000 It had human hands. Um. No, but she had this 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:33.399