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Speaker 1: flying that aircraft kind of put you into like a

426
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: calming state. Absolutely, you're when you're in the moment, when

427
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: you're out on a mission, UM, even when you're being

428
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: shot at, you are doing what you need to do

429
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: to stay alive, to complete your mission. UM what what

430
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: you're there to do. And I would say that you

431
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: don't necessarily feel it, um until after you're out of

432
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: the situation. So while you're involved in adopt in contact,

433
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: while you're you have contact with the enemy, UM, you're

434
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: in an an emergency situation. You're dealing with that, so

435
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,679
Speaker 1: you don't have time to UM basically, you know, have

436
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: any sort of emotion. You are very focused on the

437
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: here and now in present and doing what you can

438
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: um to get out of it alive and um the

439
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: people you're supporting. So afterwards, though, when you get back

440
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: to the base, UM, when you get out of the

441
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: situation and you have a little bit of time to

442
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: reflect on what happened, then you might feel it a

443
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: little bit or a lot. But it just depends. That's

444
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: an interesting phenomena, isn't it. Like I've heard I've heard

445
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: other guys tell me that too, about Like I wasn't

446
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: scared until after the mission and we got back and

447
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: then it fully dawned on me that you know, I

448
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: almost died and then it got scared absolutely or even

449
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: after deployment, that's like a long term delay. But yeah,

450
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, same night when you get back from a mission,

451
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: when you get back from a deployment, and you get

452
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of reflection and you're like,

453
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: how on earth am I alive right now? And I

454
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: was seeing in your book too that you had actually

455
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: flown in some of the same areas that I was in,

456
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: or roughly around the same time frame. I mean you

457
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: were flying a Kiowa. You talk about flying around uh

458
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: tal Afar at one point. So, uh, yeah, this hall

459
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: a far mission. Um we were I believe, are you

460
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: talking about um when we've gotten to bad weather that chapter?

461
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: I do believe. Yeah, So Tali far was I was

462
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 1: based out of kirk Cook at the time, and we

463
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: were on a night mission. I think we were supposed

464
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: to pick up a convoy super early in the morning, um,

465
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: and we ended up hitting some We normally didn't fly

466
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: over there. It was a little too far for us.

467
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: But uh, anyway, that that was the specific mission for

468
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: what we were doing that day, and so we were

469
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: flying in an area that we weren't necessarily used to

470
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: flying in and the weather just came down very very quickly.

471
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: And I've been in weather situations before, um where things

472
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: got a little dicey UM. But we were under night

473
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: vision goggles and you can always see a little bit

474
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: better in poor weather conditions under goggles, so you usually

475
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: push it a little bit farther UM. And so it

476
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: was the learning experience for me. We definitely punched into

477
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: the clouds uh luckily came right back out, made the

478
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: decision to turn around, and it was the sun was

479
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: just coming up when we had turned around and decided

480
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: to fly out of the fog, and um, it was

481
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: like a straight wall like from the ground to as

482
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: high as you could see. It was like a um,

483
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: a white wall and it was very eerie. UM. But

484
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: it was quite the learning experience for me when it

485
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: comes to pushing weather um and making some decisions that

486
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: go along with it. The sandstorms in that area are

487
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: pretty bad too. You see them coming like a huge

488
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: like exactly like you described. I mean, from from the

489
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: ground up as as high as you can see pretty much. Yeah, yeah,

490
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: very similar. The sandstorms were disgusting, not good for flying

491
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: helicopters in either in terms of getting debris in the

492
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: engine and um sort of affecting your ability to fly,

493
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: and then there's always a risk of engine failures because

494
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: of things that fly. Yeah, I couldn't imagine flying a

495
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: helicopter through that. Yeah. Luckily for those UM it's basically

496
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: similar to flying in the clouds. You know, the visibility

497
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: just continues to get lower and low and lower, and

498
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, there's no longer offerable flying conditions anymore,

499
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: and so you you turn back, hopefully in time. But

500
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: whether sandstorms UM certainly have been a significant problem for helicopters,

501
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: especially UH in Iraq, not so much in Afghanistan, but

502
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: and for people who don't understand, like when you're inside

503
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: one of those sandstorms, it looks like you're on the

504
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: surface of Mars. It literally blots out the sun. I

505
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: was going to ask you about UM, you know, beyond

506
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: your book you were earlier, just earlier this year, the

507
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: Deputy Assistant to the Secretary of Defense for outreach in

508
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: public affairs, and people speak so highly of General Maddis,

509
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you have any maddest stories or what

510
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: is the guy really like well, I think that. UM.

511
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: First of all, it was such an incredible honor to

512
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: get to work for one of the greatest UM generals,

513
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: and I truly think he's one of the greatest leaders

514
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: of our time. UM, So to get to work for

515
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: him was just, UM an absolute honor and I was

516
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: privileged to do a job. And UM I got to

517
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: work a lot on the civilian military divide and how

518
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: that affects future operations of our military and national security.

519
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: And that's something that UM he was passionate about and

520
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: that he had worked on previously with the think tank

521
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: that he was associated with before joining the administration. UM.

522
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: And he was just Uh, he's very charismatic in person UM,

523
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: and he loves to engage and talk with people. UM.

524
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: I ran something for him called the Joint Civilian Orientation

525
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,719
Speaker 1: conf RENTS, and it's where we take about forty UM

526
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: civilian and thought leaders from across the country who don't

527
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: have any association with the military or you know, are

528
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: involved in national security, and they we bring him into

529
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: the Pentagon. We sort of immersed them in military life

530
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: and they get to learn all about the different branches

531
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: and meet you know, junior soldiers and platoon leaders. Um,

532
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: so basically like Captain and under um. But we bring

533
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: him to Pentagon day and Secretary Madis comes down and

534
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: he speaks with them, and I remember we had scheduled

535
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: I think thirty minutes for for him to talk, and

536
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: obviously he has an extremely tight schedule, and he came

537
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: down and spoke and it was basically just a big

538
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: Q and A is what it was. And thirty minutes

539
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: went by and we're like, okay, so it's you know,

540
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: you gotta move on to your next thing. And he's like,

541
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: he's like, no, this is fun. I'm staying here, and

542
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: ended up staying for an hour and a half and

543
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: just like it just answered is so um honestly all

544
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: of their questions and um it was. It was just

545
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: really neat to see him engage with an audience that

546
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: was so interested in him in the military. UM. So

547
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: it was pretty neat. Lucky I got to work for him.

548
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: It's great to have somebody's Secretary of Defense who um,

549
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've never met him, of course, but

550
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: he seems like, you know, he's a genuine person and

551
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: also a genuine intellectual who really cares about, you know,

552
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: the future of our country, UM. And I always appreciated

553
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: that about General Madness, absolutely, and he's so frank and

554
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: not scripted, and I think that the press and anybody

555
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: that works with him really appreciates that about him. That

556
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, what you see is what you get UM,

557
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: and talk about love of country. I just think that

558
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: he is an incredible American that has you know, essentially

559
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: UM made his life about service to this country in

560
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: one way or another, and UM, I'm grateful to have

561
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: gotten to serve underneath him. Well, one thing you had

562
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: mentioned that I just want to follow up on because

563
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: I think this is an important topic. You said you

564
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: were doing outreach in regards to the civil military divide.

565
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: I was warned if you could speak a little bit

566
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: to that. UM. First of all, what that is for

567
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: some of our listeners who might be wondering, what do

568
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: you mean when you say a term like that, UM,

569
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: And kind of your take on on that civil military

570
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: divide and what we can do to UM work on

571
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: that to improve relations. So less than one percent of

572
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: our population is currently serving in the military, so over

573
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: of Americans are not serving their country. UM. And we've

574
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: just seen at the Department of Defense when I was

575
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: working there a significant decline in people who had a

576
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: direct connection to either a veteran or someone who is serving,

577
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: or a family member who had served. UM. In the

578
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: mid nineties, I believe it was about forty of young

579
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: adults had a parent who had served, and now you know,

580
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: twenty years later, it has gone down a fifteen percent.

581
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: So that's a significant drop in twenty years in terms

582
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: of UM. People having that direct connection to someone who

583
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: is educated about the military and someone who has served

584
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: or who has had a family and who has served,

585
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: is UM more aware of the sacrifices that are made.

586
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: They're educated on the issues that military members and veterans

587
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: face UM. And so when you don't have that direct connection,

588
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: people are getting their information from movies, from commercials, from

589
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: video games, and they think that that is fact in reality,

590
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, in most circumstances, it is not. UM. So

591
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: we just felt there was a void of facts and

592
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: information UM, and we wanted to make sure that the

593
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: American people were getting the information that they needed to

594
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: know about who is serving in the military, what they do,

595
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: and why they choose to serve. So I launched the

596
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: Department of Defense's largest public affairs outreach initiative called This

597
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: is Your Military, and it was a primarily digital initiative

598
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: with also an emphasis on senior leaders going out and

599
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: speaking across the country UM, but mostly talking to that

600
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: younger generation that where the biggest disconnect exists and speaking

601
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: to them UM, articulating our message in a way that

602
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: they read it so on platforms that they use, Snapchat, YouTube,

603
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: different vlogs. UM. We started a video series on YouTube

604
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: UM called a Day with where it features a different

605
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: service member, but it's a look beyond the uniform. It

606
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: is who is serving. They have hobbies, they have families,

607
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: they have goals and dreams, So what does their life

608
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: look UM notized them serving in the military, But bigger

609
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: than that, well, I think the on the on the

610
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: foot side of this UH civil military divide is the

611
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: issue of how our military relates to our civilian leadership. UM.

612
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: You know, we're lucky right now that you know. Jim

613
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Maddis is a former marine retired Marine UM also the

614
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: director of the CIA. Gina Hasperin is a career spy.

615
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: So we're kind of lucky to have these people. But

616
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: oftentimes there are political appointees who didn't serve in the military.

617
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: And D O D as a whole has to relate

618
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: and convey information and kind of have that back and

619
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: forth and ultimately fall under the command and control of

620
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: civilian leadership. UM. Have you found that that's an issue

621
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: with the civil military divide also on how that relationship

622
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: works out. I maybe could see it as a contributing factor.

623
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't see it as a major component when you

624
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: look at military members connecting with sort of the political

625
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: civilian leadership within the Department of Defense UM on a

626
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: policy level. Uh, you know, the military is already in

627
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: tune to what's going on, So I think there may

628
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: be some disagreement in terms of actual actual people serving

629
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: in uniform in the military UM not maybe agreeing with

630
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: some decisions that are made at the civilian level at

631
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: a higher level of of leadership, because a lot of

632
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: people at the Department of Defense who are in those

633
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: political positions or even um civil um civil servants UM,

634
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: haven't served. So I think there may be a little

635
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: bit of a disconnect in Okay, some of the policies

636
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: that you're making, how does that actually affect me the

637
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: warfighter on the ground with this equipment, UM, That is

638
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: definitely a problem. Hey, it's been a while since we

639
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: had you on, and I'm sure a lot of people

640
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: who are listeners now didn't get to hear your first appearance,

641
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: but I remember you had a really awesome story about

642
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: working with President Bush, if you if you want to

643
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: get into that. So, uh, it was in December of

644
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: two thousand eight. I was just ending, um my year

645
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: long deployment in Afghanistan. It was my second year long deployment, uh,

646
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: and I was on the night shift and I had

647
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: a day off, and you sort of covert your days

648
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: off while you're in a combat zone, um, and you

649
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: look forward to them. So anyway, somebody knocked on my

650
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: door and was like, Amber, we need you to fly

651
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. And I was like, no, tomorrow Knights. Like

652
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: I thought there was a mistake. I was like, oh, no,

653
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: I have the day off tomorrow. UM, I'm sure somebody

654
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: else can do it. They're like, no, we need you

655
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: to fly tomorrow night. We can't tell you what's going on,

656
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: but you have to fly tomorrow night. And so of

657
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: course that sparked my interest, and uh so the next

658
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: day I went in with the other crew members who

659
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: had been selected to fly this mission, and um, We

660
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: walked into our crew briefing room and shut the door

661
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: and they were like, okay, Um, nobody knows this, but

662
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: Air Force one is coming into land, Um and we

663
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: are flying aerial security for Air Force one as on

664
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: their their approach into Bogram. So we got to fly

665
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: aerial security for Air Force one as they came in

666
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: on approach and landed at Bogram Air Base. President Bush

667
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: was um. It was the same trip that he had

668
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: gone to Iraq and gotten the shoot the journalists had

669
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: thrown the shoe at him while he was up on

670
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: the seat. Yeah, so he went from Iraq and then

671
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: he had to follow on flight into Afghanistan. Um was.

672
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: They landed at Barber Mayorfield. Um. It was. It was

673
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: a pretty All of the airspace was closed. The only

674
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: people that were in the air was Air Force one

675
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: and then our two Kai was um that were armed

676
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: and it was just um. It was. It was quite

677
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: the honor to get to fly security for the president.

678
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: And then he jumped on a black Hawk UM as

679
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: soon as we had landed at the air base and

680
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: he flew down to Um President Carzai at the time

681
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: to his palace for a meeting. So it was quite

682
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: the surprise going for me not wanting to fly because

683
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: it was my day off to getting to um, get

684
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: to fly for the president was one of the and

685
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: a good way to end the deployment. Was this one

686
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: of the trips he made during the holidays? Remember he

687
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: like popped up a couple of times, like serving Thanksgiving

688
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: dinner or something like that, or Christmas maybe it was

689
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: so I have the exact date in my book. I

690
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: can't remember when it was off the top of my head,

691
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: but I think it was around mid December two thousand eight.

692
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, he definitely met with trips while

693
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: he was in country. Does that make sense then? Um, So,

694
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: last episode with Curtis Alberts, we were saying that we're

695
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: going to have you on and we got into a

696
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: whole discussion about race relations and special operations. But it

697
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: was interesting because Curtis being a black dude who's an

698
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: Army ranger. Very few minorities who are who are special

699
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: operations veterans, especially Army rangers, it seems like. And then

700
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: the discussion got into females and special operations and I

701
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: was saying, like, we've talked about this subject at length

702
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: on the podcast and could definitely be accused of man

703
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: explaining this because it's all a bunch of dudes here usually.

704
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: So I was like, we should get into this with

705
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: amber On and I was actually just wondering your opinion

706
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: about the possible future of women in the special operations community. So,

707
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to women serving in special operations or

708
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: ground forces, the infantry, et cetera. UM, my stance is

709
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: there should be a mission mission standard, not a gender standard.

710
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: I do think women should be allowed to try out

711
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: for these physicians, UM and be held to the exact

712
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: same standard that the men standing next to them are

713
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: held to. I don't believe in any sort of special

714
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: treatment or quotas um at all. I think that that

715
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: actually hurts women who are trying to sort of uh

716
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: move up in the ranks. UM. I don't think it

717
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: does them any help or gives them any you know,

718
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: the women out of their opportunity, right, I feel like

719
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: doing that kind of cheats women out of their opportunity

720
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: to earn you know, a Green Beret or whatever the

721
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: case is, a seal tried in whatever it is they're

722
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: trying to accomplish, and it hurts their credibility. You know,

723
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: people will look at them, UM if if they were

724
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: given any sort of special treatment, they will always be

725
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: viewed that they that way once they get to the unit, UM,

726
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: and it will hurt them if they you know, did

727
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: the exact same physical tests, the exact same mental tests, UM,

728
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: and they you know, had to score the exact same

729
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: as the men that they're competing against for these positions,

730
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: then they'll be that much more respected for it when

731
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: they get to UM the unit. If they do make

732
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: it UM. And I think that's crucial for success. If

733
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: if women are going to serve in special operations, UM,

734
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: that's the standard that everybody needs to be be held to.

735
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be broken down. Do you do

736
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: you think women would be able to make it through

737
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: any special operations training if they're held to the same standard. Uh.

738
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: I think that women. Of course, I think it will

739
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: be very few, UM because I think that they have

740
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: to work that much harder to be able to meet

741
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: that standard, especially physically. UM. Women and men and women

742
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: are different physically. That's a fact. UM, that's not an opinion.

743
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: So I think women can meet some of those standards.

744
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: I don't think they would likely stay in that position

745
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: for as long as men will be able to because

746
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: they are constantly having to work to maintain that level

747
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: of expertise and whatever it may be, or that physical condition. Um,

748
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: but I do think some women will be able to

749
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: achieve those results. I remember UM having a conversation actually

750
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: with Mark Boyott, who he commanded Third Special Forces Group.

751
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: I remember asking him this question. He told me, He's like,

752
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: we have got to find a way to get women

753
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: on O d a s. However, however, it is maybe

754
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: maybe not as green berets in a different role or

755
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: as green berets, like, like you just said, Amber put

756
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: them through the same course the guy to go through

757
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: and get them in there. But he was, and he's

758
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: an old school guy, old school green beret believes strongly

759
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: in the unconventional warfare mission. He's like, we gotta get

760
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: women on there because of what they can bring to

761
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: the table for the force. I would say, I mean

762
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: when I got to my unit. Believe it or not,

763
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: two thousand four doesn't seem that long ago. But Um,

764
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: in terms of women being especially in the attack community

765
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: in army aviation, women were still fairly rare. UM. I mean,

766
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: for me, it was usually the older generation of men

767
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: that were not necessarily as open to women being there.

768
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: But I felt like with anything, it was like the

769
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: younger generation or my peers, like the same level rank

770
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: as I was, it just wasn't a big deal because

771
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: they were used to it. They were used to women

772
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: going through flight school with them and UM, and so

773
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily a problem. And then from there, I

774
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: remember the numbers of women's are that rapidly grew. By

775
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,320
Speaker 1: the time I ended up leaving UM in two thousand

776
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: and ten, there were there were a lot more women

777
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: that were there than than when I left UM. But

778
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: I just think it's I think a lot of it

779
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: has to do with maturity and professionalism UM and people

780
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: being able to look past it, like Okay, let's let's

781
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: focus on the mission that we need to do, not

782
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 1: the fact that you're a woman. UM telling these stories.

783
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: It just reminds me of being in Afghanistan and once

784
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: in a while here a woman's voice come over the

785
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: radio and we were like, we were we were all rangers,

786
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: we're all guys, so we're like, who is that? She

787
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: sounds really cute? Who is this girl? And excuse me?

788
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: We we've just been stuck out and out in the

789
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: badlands of Afghanistan, maybe a little bit too long, and

790
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: uh it turned out she was an A C one

791
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: thirty pilot and uh yeah, so a lot of jokes

792
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: about the female angel of Death watching over shoulder. I

793
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: can not tell you how many times I have heard

794
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: that story from so many different guys. Bet it always

795
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: makes me laugh um, which I think is really funny.

796
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: But um I I had lots of people would come

797
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: up to me on the different basis that we were

798
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: at and be like, hey, are you Annihilator two for

799
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: UM and would tell you know, we would talk about

800
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: um I had done a convoy scort for them or

801
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 1: recalling something, and yeah, they always remember the female voices.

802
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's funny. So much pressure, Yeah, I can

803
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: only imagine. So they're always really nice. I also just

804
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: wanted to get before we let you go, your take,

805
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, especially you being someone who worked in the

806
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: administration earlier this year, UM in the capacity did just

807
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: what you think of what's going on in Syria and

808
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: the recent bombing of Syria. Well, I feel like it's

809
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: has a lot larger UM implications than than just a

810
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: UM what ASA did with chemical weapons or US you know,

811
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: doing a resalatory bombing. UM. People have to remember what

812
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: is going on bigger picture in the region. UM, which

813
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: is why some people are like, well, why can't we

814
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: just pull out of Syria? Or why is that a

815
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: bad idea? UM? You know what sort of national security

816
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: interests do we as Americans have in Syria at the

817
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: present moment? And I think people just have to remember, UM,

818
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: bigger picture, what is going on? UH? And how does

819
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: that actually affect our national security directly? And you know,

820
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: Iranian and Russian influence are very significant inside Syria, and

821
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: once US presence removes itself from the equation, UM, who

822
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: is going to be leaving all efforts within that region? UM.

823
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: Obviously I ran in Russia, and so I think that's

824
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: the big thing right now that people need to remember

825
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: about why bigger picture are we involved in Syria? UM.

826
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Iran has been trying to to gain geopolitical influence for

827
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: quite some time UM, and the US exiting Iraq completely

828
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: Syria completely obviously will give them a leg up in

829
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: terms of doing that. Do you think it was? Also

830
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: these recent strikes were also important in terms of maintaining

831
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: international norms UM, specifically in regards to the prohibition on

832
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: chemical weapons. I do. And I also think that it

833
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: since a very clear message to the world, uh, not

834
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: just in the Middle East, that UM, the US isn't

835
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: going to tolerate certain actions UM, and that people regimes

836
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: are going to be held accountable for decisions that UM

837
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: they make and we're watching and I think that UM

838
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: nations like Syria UM are continuing to see UM, how

839
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: what they can get away with UM, and then they

840
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: get reminded of what's going to happen UM when they

841
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: do that. I saw a comment from from Jim Madis

842
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: actually today when the press was asking or they were

843
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: making some sort of accusation that it's hard for the UK, American,

844
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: France to find common ground and you know, kind of

845
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: get on the same sheet of music for the strikes,

846
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: and he made this comment I thought was really really funny.

847
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: He's like, no, we weren't looking for common ground. We

848
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 1: had common ground. That's why we made the attacks. He says.

849
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: I hope Aside got the message this time, right. Yeah.

850
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: He always has some great comebacks. And I also love

851
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: when the press asked him about stuff completely unrelated to,

852
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: you know, being Secretary of Defense, and he'll completely blow

853
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: it off and be like, that's not what I do.

854
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Speaker 1: I just I like how Frankie is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: People the press is definitely tried to pull him inside

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Speaker 1: of the day is on who said? What about who?

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Speaker 1: You gotta respect any of our government. Pardon me for

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Speaker 1: the expression, but bureaucrats who do that and they come

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Speaker 1: not interested in that soap opera nonsense. Yes, it's a

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Speaker 1: rarity these days, I would say, very true. Um So yeah,

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Speaker 1: once again, the book is danger close my epic journey

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you back on because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: So this will actually be good. It was. It ended

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Speaker 1: up being a good connection and um plus, I mean

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Speaker 1: think they're important to tell. Well, good, I'm I'm glad

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Speaker 1: I got to come on with you guys. I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: have a good day. By great having Amber Smith back

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Speaker 1: we're also gonna be in a new studio soon. I'm

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Speaker 1: Um And you know, I don't mention all the time,

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