WEBVTT - Nevertheless She Persisted w/ Desi Williams 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.720 Hey, everyone, it's Devin Simone, two time Challenge finalist and 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.560 host of the Challenge Aftermath. Hey y'all, I'm Dave Von Rogers, 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:09.520 and you know me from the Challenge and also from 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:12.400 being America's favorite all Star. I'm big Brother, And this 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.960 is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Yes, Challenge. I would like 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:23.040 to call this episode Day the episode of Delusion. I 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.520 don't know, it just felt like the level of entitlement 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.480 was just weird to me. It was just at like 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.839 telling people who to put in and just like they 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.000 own the moment. It was just very weird. You gotta 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:40.239 go blockers, you gotta go blocker square, Like wait what No? 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:42.559 I mean, I just can't when I think about like 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.120 the main cast, like the main show, I cannot no. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.440 Of course, everybody has alliances and they do things, but 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:54.880 like I cannot fathom any one person going up to Laulara, 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:58.760 you know ct Bananas, you know bananas A gonna listen 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.400 and then just being like Jordan Devin, you know, Devin's 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.280 your face and and just be like you need to 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.160 go block her, like she's trying to like, wait what 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.480 they're gonna be like you gonna block her? Just do 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:16.080 your job? Absolutely crazy to me. Did you see DESI 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.959 voting in Cachet? Like, was that on your Bingo card? 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.680 What are your thoughts on them? No? Because you know 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:25.280 the fab five cheers toast we're here. So it was 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.280 crazy to me to start off with five and then 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.680 two end up in an elimination. How does that work? 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.520 So yeah, no, I to see that at all. What 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.759 did you think about this challenge? It kind of looked fun. 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:36.360 I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's because we played 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:38.959 Connect four at my family events, but like, I'm down 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.320 for the Connect four, my asthma is not down for 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.920 the running that. That was not the part that I enjoyed. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:45.840 But you know what was so interesting to me, and 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.080 we're gonna get into the to it in this interview, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.160 we find out that as much as they didn't want 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.560 to block Angela's board, finding out that her board was 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.040 right by the that it was the easiest to do. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:02.000 I was like, oh see, y'all, Kulda got Angela and 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:07.440 her diamonds have them wrapped girl? Yes? Yeah, yeah, that 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.799 that in and of itself was absolutely shocking. I feel 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:12.640 like there was just a lot to unpact. Well, it 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.480 was nice to see an appearance from Danny because I 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:20.160 feel we've seen more of Kiki this season than we've 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.639 really seen of Danny, So it was nice to see 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.360 a little you know, play and honestly, okay, you know 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:28.280 how we do our side eye of the week and 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.800 then we do are like the wink of the week 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:32.680 or like wink. Yeah, the wink of the week. Okay, 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:35.799 my wink of the week you guys are gonna be 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:40.000 shocked about this goes to Dom. Okay, here's why. It 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.440 goes to Dom and TJ's puffer vest and TJ's puffer 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.359 vest gets an autoble mention. He was wearing it when 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.000 they announced the challenge. But but my, my wink of 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:53.120 the Week goes to Dom because two things. One, I 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.120 liked how he cheered on Cashet, but I also liked 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.680 how he put Danny before himself because he wanted Danny 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.160 to get money to qualify for the final. That was 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.040 really cool, Like that was it makes me feel warm inside, 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.360 Like that was like, Domb, you know what, You've gotten 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.720 a lot of side eyes this season, but that when 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.360 you get a big wink, sir, that was great. Yeah. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.600 I was really proud to see him cheering for Cash. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.200 I thought that was really cool. I see that their 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:21.200 relationship had come far from their first interaction, so it 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.720 was really cool. My Wink of the Week actually goes 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.239 to Cache, like even though she got sent home, my 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:28.680 week of the Week goes to her because her perseverance 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.600 this season, her determination this season, like you know, just 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:34.000 to see how and going back to that interaction with 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.680 her and Tom, how she was just underestimated and no 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.120 one really was taking her seriously and then just to 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.520 see how far she made it, Like she got so 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.840 far this and she got to leave with her head 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.360 held high. She walked away losing to Sarah who is 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.680 in the house, said to be like, you know, the 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.280 big bad wolf, and so you know, she gets to 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:53.880 walk away with her head held high. So I'm really 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.240 really proud proud of you. Cache was really proud of you. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.400 You get a wink girl. Dumb and oh how ironic 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:00.960 is dumb and Cache both get links to the week? Right? 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.600 I know? Right? And that crazy look at how? Look 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:05.800 we believe in growth on this podcast. Okay, so we 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.560 believe in growth for ourselves and for others and for 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.680 YouTube listeners. We love you guys, Um Side Eye of 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:16.240 the week. You already know, you already know, you already 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.600 know where in the side I am the sin I 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.159 is going to the one who is proclaiming to be 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.400 the biggest, the baddest, the strongest, but is also the 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.360 brokest in the house. And I don't mean in real life, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.520 I want to specify the house because I know she's 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.440 want to survive her fifteen million times and therefore she 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.839 has way more money than me. I get it. But 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.839 we're talking about the game and the show and what 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:39.120 we see, all right, and she is barking just to 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:42.600 everyone all the time, but without actually backing it up, 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.320 move in silence. It also makes no sense to me 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.400 that she clearly I have strong feelings about it. It It 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.200 makes no sense to me that clearly that you know, 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:52.960 if you're big and bad, then you don't need to 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.480 ask everyone else to help you out, first of all, 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.599 and then second of all, don't you want to go 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.760 in elimination in away because you need to get money 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.400 to qualify? Like that's at that's the point where we are, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.200 because you never when it gets down to this few 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.560 of people, like you never really know when TJ is 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.159 gonna be like pack it up, we're going to the final, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.719 you know, or like the next game you really don't, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.320 so like, now's the time to go in and get 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.400 that money. So so so so what that Alyssa and 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.400 Angela are trying to get you to lose? Cool, lose gracefully, 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.640 channel all that in your energy for the elimination and 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.359 then pick one of your members of the Fab five 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.599 that you want to win, hoping and maybe even help 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.000 one of the guys. See that would have been like 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.279 pick a guy you want to help to win. So 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.800 then that way you can ensure that the votes are 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.279 on your side for who you want to go against 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:47.919 an elimination. That's all I'm saying. So Sarah gets my 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:49.800 side Eye of the week. I think this is what 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:51.120 two three weeks in a row, But you know what 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.920 I'm saying, she gets all right, Now, who Devon gets 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.800 your side Eye of the week? Oh lord, my FID 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.960 Eye of the week goes to the Fab five. You're 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.719 all five, all of them, all five of them. The 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:05.880 strategy was just not there for me as an alliance. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.880 What is going on? Like? It was very embarrassing to 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:13.080 watch these two women take y'all out it brother, it 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.800 might have been a big brother. I'm just kidding. That's 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.120 probably why. It's probably why. That's probably why because I've 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.360 been in a fine person alliance and was probably was 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.320 the one that ruined it. I don't know, but look, 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.520 this was so hard to watch because even when Angela 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.279 and Elis are in their confessionals and they're like, um, 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:31.960 we beat you guys, we all smart at you guys, 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.320 and so on and so forth, they are rightfully talking 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:37.240 mess because they actually did. And look, I'm all for 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.120 Desi winning and doing her own things, but I think 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.880 that it should have been a conversation amongst the alliance, like, look, Desi, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:45.839 go out there, you get the win, because we know 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.599 you're going to protect us, and then we'll go after 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.559 Angela making sure that she you know what I'm saying 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:56.440 that there should have been a conversation at Seed we'll know. Yeah, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.480 we learned a lot on this episode, you guys, by 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:02.400 the way, with our interview a Desi around all sorts 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.480 of things going on, even like how the Baptive formed 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.840 when it formed all sorts of things. But that's a 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.400 fair I mean, we've never had where a whole group 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.560 of people get to side eye day, but I you 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.640 know what, I can respect all respect. So then that 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.160 technically means Cachet got both a wink of the week 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:25.080 and as an individual, she gotta waits alliance. She's in 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.480 the side. There you go, She's just getting all there, 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:29.520 you go, Cachet going out on top. Girl. At least 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.840 you're getting a lot. You're getting a lot this week, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.680 for sure, And we got a lot. You guys so 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:38.160 much behind. I think this was probably the most revealing 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:42.040 interview we have done so far. I mean, like, we 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.240 just learned a lot about about Desi, her mindset, where 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.200 her head is in this game, but we also learn 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.640 a lot about other people and like alliances and conversations 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.000 and go, like we she opens up a whole new layer. 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.840 It honestly could be a whole other episode tacked on 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.840 to this show in my opinion, Like it's just so 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:04.280 much going on, so um, so much fun talking with her, 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.680 and you know, I'm sad to see Cash go. I am, like, 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:10.680 I I liked her being the little engine that could 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:13.080 and like making it that far in the game. But 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:16.240 I do think it was you know, I don't say 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.120 it was inevitable because I don't I don't like that 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.680 but like you know, it is it's getting down to 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.960 what we have like six girls left or seven girls, 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.280 like you know, like it is starting to get cutthroat. 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.720 So yeah, it's a good episode. Good interview with Desi Davon. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:30.920 You know, Davon came with the receipt to you guys, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.439 like Davon was in here for you all, asking all 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:39.680 the questions. She might not be committing videos on her 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:45.920 YouTube channel, but but let me go upload a video 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:50.680 right now. But okay, if she is asking all the questions. 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.480 And also I just want to give an honorable mention. 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:55.760 It doesn't go towards like a side eye or a wink. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.640 It's like in the middle. I don't know, but I 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:02.599 appreciate Tyson's self reflection in that he doesn't like to 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.840 be the brokest one anywhere. He likes be the richest one, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.319 which is why he goes to the cheap restaurant. We 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:15.600 appreciate the honesty Tyson so great. Uh yes, yes, put 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:17.320 it on a T shirt. We love it. We love 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.679 the honesty. We love daisise honesty with us as she 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:24.560 joins the podcast today. So make sure you stay tuned, 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.360 because I promise you you do not want to miss 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.400 this interview if you are a Challenge fan at all, 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.839 and I'm not just hyping it up like dude. We 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.400 learned so much on this episode, so stay tuned because 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.120 it's definitely coming up next. Yes, and remember, we want 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.000 to hear from you, so send us your questions through 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.640 the comments on Apple podcasts and on social media with 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:48.440 the hashtag ask Challenge you essay, and maybe we'll use 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:51.200 your questions in an upcoming pick your Poison segment. Oh 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.200 and by the way, you know the girls are feuding 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:56.240 because of our podcasts. Tyson and Ben are going at it. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.480 Oh yes they are, Yes, because of the interviews that 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.280 came out last week. Oh see, this is why you 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.400 guys need to stay tuned to the podcast. So y'all 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.800 to him and then tweet us. Make sure to include 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.599 Davon and myself so we can know what's going on. 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.600 We might respond, we might not depend on what's good 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.480 for our political game. But either way of maure you 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.839 stay tuned into what's going on. Okay, So we will 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.959 be back with this fabulous interview with the Dasi Williams 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:36.920 after this break. Dazi, my girl, My girl, My girl. 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.040 Welcome to the podcast. We have been waiting for you, mama. Welcome, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.240 Thank you so much. I'm excited to talk to y'all. Girl. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:45.760 I'm so happy to have you here. I asked so 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:51.640 many questions. All right, hopefully I got all the answers. Yes, 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.520 Oh my goodness. First of all, let's let's run it 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.560 back from the beginning. You know, we're gonna ease into 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.360 this interview. Okay, So you get the phone call and 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.240 they're like, hey, we want you to come do this 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.559 new version of the challenge. How do you feel? What 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.880 do you say? What happens? Um? I mean I was excited, 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.280 like why would First of all, like I played Survivor 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.079 five years ago, So I was also like, are you 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.319 sure you're calling the right person? Might be all no, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.679 like I would often seen for a minute, so I 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.839 think first and foremost, I was just like, what there 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:24.319 al did they pull my name out of? Like? How 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:28.719 did they find me? Was like my first thought. But 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.000 then my second thought was like, obviously I love competition. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.760 I love to compete, so this is like, you know, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.400 the competition and Survivors were my favorite, so I was 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.200 excited to like get another opportunity to compete in these 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:44.839 like outrageous challenges that only happened on reality TV. Yeah, So, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.200 I mean I was flattered. I was excited, but then 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.480 when I got there, I was like, yeah, truly, how 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.880 did they find me? Because you know, when it comes 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.040 to like survivors who were survivor of legends, like people 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.959 who have been on multiple seasons or who were like 0:11:58.040 --> 0:12:00.520 I grew up like thinking like this person is like 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.960 an amazing Survivor player, don't ut estimate yourself. So did 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.920 that make you feel intimidated? Desi when you arrived and 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.640 you saw who all was there? Yes? Absolutely? Um. I 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.360 mean Sarah Latina obviously is like one of the best 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:18.480 Survivor players ever just physically strategically. Um So when I 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.800 saw Sarah Latina, I was like sh like, if I 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.680 could go into the nation gets hurt, I might break 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.760 a neck like, um so it is intimidating. It's intimidating them. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.600 These people are like really good strategic players but also 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.600 really good physical players. And although like physically I did 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.160 great on Survivors like you did, Jane, strategy was was 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.640 not mine. It was not my change. So I was nervous. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:40.280 I was like I need to work with these people 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.439 because it's not like, yeah, I'm either with them or 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:50.520 against them. Don't. I don't underestimates never. Girl, Let me 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:53.040 tell you something. When the promo for the show aired, 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.800 the internet, girl, I think you went viral. The internet 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.760 was in an uproar. But your muscle, girl, your muscles 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.440 on the internet, like they were like, she's fit, she's beautiful, 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.080 she's gorgeous. What did you do to train and prepare? 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.199 Because a girl, you came in looking like what you 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.160 look like. When you look like what you look like? 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.839 But what happened? What did you do? I mean, I 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.720 work out anyway, So I, like some of the people 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.320 on the challenge, I think knew from like October they 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.199 were falling on the show. I knew from like I 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.000 want to say, like February. So I had like a 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.760 month and a half maybe to prepare. But I work 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.920 out anyway, So I work out like five six days 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.319 a week at baseline. So really it was just like, 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.319 let me work out a little bit harder and have 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.199 like a goal in mind versus me just like working 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.440 out to fit in my clothes basically, So I truthfully 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:45.559 like my workout routine did not change significantly. Prepping for 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.560 the challenge, it was just, you know, a little bit 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.400 more of what I do. Anyway, Desy, you brought up 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:51.959 a really good point you said when you came in 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.199 the house and you saw, you know, all of the 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.640 other particularly the Survivor players that were there and their 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.559 Survivor legends. Because as a viewer, I'm wondering if you 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.000 get of help clarify this. You mentioned when you saw Sarah, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:07.000 like Sarah is legendary in the Survivor world for good reason. 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.599 Watching her on the challenge, she hasn't quite shown what 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.199 she's capable of or what she's done. Sarah's like, I'm 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.199 the best, I'm the best. But she's also telling people 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.120 put something on Angela's board, put something on Unlysta's board. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.240 They're trying to get me out. So do you think 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.880 that just her history allowed her to be the biggest 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.520 in the beast, you know, or like to claim that 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.760 title without having had proved herself so far in the 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.560 challenge or what are your thoughts on that? Yeah? Yeah, 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:36.400 absolutely yes, I mean yeah, I have never understood like 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.000 meeting with like I prefer to just like overperform, like 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.280 I want to be underestimated. Then I want to prove 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:43.880 myself to you. I'm not trying to talk a big 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.640 game if I can't back it up. So that's always 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.800 strange to me when people are like meeting with their 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.480 words versus their action. But I will say she's played 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.320 Survivor enough times, improving herself on Survivor enough times. But 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.160 people who know her from Survivor know she's a competitor, 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.400 and people who know like her back around, like this 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.440 girl was an MMA fighter, she's a cop. She ran 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.440 seven marathons on seven different continents in seven days, Like 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.480 I want to ran one marathon once and I would 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:11.680 never do that again. Most miserable I've ever been in 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.800 my life. So I know she's like, like, you have 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.480 to be like almost mentally unwell, so like do some 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.680 shit like that. So I just I think we all 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.520 knew that she had like the drive in her in 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.480 the night. But yeah, she's certainly not showing her off 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.800 home the challenge in the way that we all expected 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.200 her too, and obviously that she expected herself too. And 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.520 speaking of saying showing up in the challenge, there's a 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.440 hilarious clip of you early on in this episode where 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.480 he were like Angela came here, in diamond she didn't 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:45.760 need the money. Can you walk us through for a moment, 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.960 because I was not expecting that. Also, you're hilarious. You 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:51.840 also said it with a very straight phase. And also 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.800 the Challenge House and like, I don't feel like i'd 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.240 bring anything valuable to the Challenge House. That's just me personally. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.880 She had diamonds, despair, That's what I'm saying. That's what 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.080 I'm saying. Like my Lulu living pants were missing, and 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.720 I was like this girl, like diamonds on diamonds, like 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.240 not just one diamond ring, like diamond ring, diamond necklace, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.160 diamond earrings, And I just assumed it was like keep 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:18.520 in circonia, Like why would you bring diamonds? Right, So 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.160 exactly if you have diamonds to spare because they tell 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:22.840 you not to bring anything valuable, So you didn't bring 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.800 your most valuable diamonds. You brought your spare time, your 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.920 everyday diamonds. Yeah right, you're every day Like, yeah, I 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.920 don't need beings diamonds. So if you've got diamonds to spear, like, girl, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.720 you don't need this money, right, that's a that's embassism, right, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:40.440 that sounds far away diamonds, Like I can't even related 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:45.640 you get right, basically basically, so I said it with 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.200 a straight face because I'm into it's just like, yeah, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.320 she didn't her from different worlds, Like we're not the 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.160 same man, So tell us about this fad five? How 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.840 did it form? When did it form? Whose idea was it? 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:00.160 How did this come about? It is actually bizarre are 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:03.840 the Fab five became such a big deal so that 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.639 y'all saw where Sarah said to the Fab five and 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:12.600 then Cash yelled the five five? Could hear like that 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.280 was literally when the Fab five was quote unquote formed, 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.000 and it was like there was no there was no conversation, 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.520 there was no discussion. I had not ever talked game 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.640 to Cash ever, So the fact that it became such 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:29.360 a big deal to everybody else in the house isn't 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.119 shocking to me because Cash literally yelled it, and then 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:33.720 of course it's going to become a big deal. But 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.359 it really like the Fab five was never as solid 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.200 and as big of a deal as anybody else made 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.240 a scene or it wasn't received it to be. It 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.840 wasn't like I think once everybody was talking about it, 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.440 like it had to become real because like, you know, 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:51.800 there's no way for us to talk people out of 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.480 the fact that we're working together now. But it was not. 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.760 There was no discussion about this five five. Sarah said 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.399 it and we're like, okay, that's cute, I guess, and 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:03.600 then it kind of just exploded from there and became 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.159 very much the biggest deal in the house. Where do 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.640 you in Cash stand now, because watching it, of course 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.119 it does it seems like it's the biggest deal in 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.480 the house, right, like, oh, this is this blood alianes, 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:17.280 although let me rewind for a second. It seems like 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:19.639 that except for when one of your members of the 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.160 Fast five I'm not gonna say any names or pointy elbows, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.000 was like go block out the other boards and you're like, okay, cool, 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.320 and then you walked right over to your board. He's 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.439 right on down as you're like, I could block out 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:37.040 or I could win. I think I'm gonna win. Yes, yes, girl, Yes, 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:41.000 it seems like everyone lost sight of the goal really 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:45.119 of the day. But is that like, where do you 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.399 in cash stand now? Having voted her in, like, do 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.480 you feel like she understood because you got the fab 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.919 five apparently wasn't as tight as it appeared or did 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.359 it really cause a rift outside of the house, And no, 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.520 I think Cashe understood, and yeah, there's there's just so 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.879 much context and sub context, but yeah, Cashe and I 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.480 were never close in the house, and she, you know, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:09.880 kind of came to me and she was like, yeah, 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.000 although we've never been close, like I've never thrown your 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.120 name in and I'm like, girl, you halfway one one time, 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:17.200 like when did she got to my name in um? 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.280 But anyway, that's neither here nor there. But she tried 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.359 to convince me that she was never against me. But 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:24.720 part of the reason why I felt I had to 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.600 win that challenge was even though we had said FAB 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.159 five in a separate conversation I can't remembering, Justine or 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:36.680 Kayla came to me and said that Cache, like within 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.359 the three days after we said FAB five had come 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.320 to them and said that she was targeting me. Really, 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:47.119 that's her. And then Alyssa and then Cachet came to 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.600 me and said, oh, listen, Angela are targeting you. And 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.360 I have a separate conversation with Angela and Alyssa, who said, 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.720 oh no, Cash came to us and told us that 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.080 she wants to target you. So there's just like so 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.800 much best story that there was part of me that 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:04.840 was like, if I don't win this, in Cache right, 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.200 possibly wins this because she was the next girl who's 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.639 gonna win behind me, Like she probably could have beat me, 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:14.040 but she incorrectly laid out her tiles form four um 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.600 the shade in that statement, Daisy, I heard it, but 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.879 continue I no, I'm just I'm just putting like context 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:23.000