Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Devin Simone, two time Challenge finalist and
Speaker 1: host of the Challenge Aftermath. Hey y'all, I'm Dave Von Rogers,
Speaker 1: and you know me from the Challenge and also from
Speaker 1: being America's favorite all Star. I'm big Brother, And this
Speaker 1: is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Yes, Challenge. I would like
Speaker 1: to call this episode Day the episode of Delusion. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it just felt like the level of entitlement
Speaker 1: was just weird to me. It was just at like
Speaker 1: telling people who to put in and just like they
Speaker 1: own the moment. It was just very weird. You gotta
Speaker 1: go blockers, you gotta go blocker square, Like wait what No?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just can't when I think about like
Speaker 1: the main cast, like the main show, I cannot no.
Speaker 1: Of course, everybody has alliances and they do things, but
Speaker 1: like I cannot fathom any one person going up to Laulara,
Speaker 1: you know ct Bananas, you know bananas A gonna listen
Speaker 1: and then just being like Jordan Devin, you know, Devin's
Speaker 1: your face and and just be like you need to
Speaker 1: go block her, like she's trying to like, wait what
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like you gonna block her? Just do
Speaker 1: your job? Absolutely crazy to me. Did you see DESI
Speaker 1: voting in Cachet? Like, was that on your Bingo card?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on them? No? Because you know
Speaker 1: the fab five cheers toast we're here. So it was
Speaker 1: crazy to me to start off with five and then
Speaker 1: two end up in an elimination. How does that work?
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I to see that at all. What
Speaker 1: did you think about this challenge? It kind of looked fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's because we played
Speaker 1: Connect four at my family events, but like, I'm down
Speaker 1: for the Connect four, my asthma is not down for
Speaker 1: the running that. That was not the part that I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: But you know what was so interesting to me, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the to it in this interview,
Speaker 1: we find out that as much as they didn't want
Speaker 1: to block Angela's board, finding out that her board was
Speaker 1: right by the that it was the easiest to do.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh see, y'all, Kulda got Angela and
Speaker 1: her diamonds have them wrapped girl? Yes? Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 1: that in and of itself was absolutely shocking. I feel
Speaker 1: like there was just a lot to unpact. Well, it
Speaker 1: was nice to see an appearance from Danny because I
Speaker 1: feel we've seen more of Kiki this season than we've
Speaker 1: really seen of Danny, So it was nice to see
Speaker 1: a little you know, play and honestly, okay, you know
Speaker 1: how we do our side eye of the week and
Speaker 1: then we do are like the wink of the week
Speaker 1: or like wink. Yeah, the wink of the week. Okay,
Speaker 1: my wink of the week you guys are gonna be
Speaker 1: shocked about this goes to Dom. Okay, here's why. It
Speaker 1: goes to Dom and TJ's puffer vest and TJ's puffer
Speaker 1: vest gets an autoble mention. He was wearing it when
Speaker 1: they announced the challenge. But but my, my wink of
Speaker 1: the Week goes to Dom because two things. One, I
Speaker 1: liked how he cheered on Cashet, but I also liked
Speaker 1: how he put Danny before himself because he wanted Danny
Speaker 1: to get money to qualify for the final. That was
Speaker 1: really cool, Like that was it makes me feel warm inside,
Speaker 1: Like that was like, Domb, you know what, You've gotten
Speaker 1: a lot of side eyes this season, but that when
Speaker 1: you get a big wink, sir, that was great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was really proud to see him cheering for Cash.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really cool. I see that their
Speaker 1: relationship had come far from their first interaction, so it
Speaker 1: was really cool. My Wink of the Week actually goes
Speaker 1: to Cache, like even though she got sent home, my
Speaker 1: week of the Week goes to her because her perseverance
Speaker 1: this season, her determination this season, like you know, just
Speaker 1: to see how and going back to that interaction with
Speaker 1: her and Tom, how she was just underestimated and no
Speaker 1: one really was taking her seriously and then just to
Speaker 1: see how far she made it, Like she got so
Speaker 1: far this and she got to leave with her head
Speaker 1: held high. She walked away losing to Sarah who is
Speaker 1: in the house, said to be like, you know, the
Speaker 1: big bad wolf, and so you know, she gets to
Speaker 1: walk away with her head held high. So I'm really
Speaker 1: really proud proud of you. Cache was really proud of you.
Speaker 1: You get a wink girl. Dumb and oh how ironic
Speaker 1: is dumb and Cache both get links to the week? Right?
Speaker 1: I know? Right? And that crazy look at how? Look
Speaker 1: we believe in growth on this podcast. Okay, so we
Speaker 1: believe in growth for ourselves and for others and for
Speaker 1: YouTube listeners. We love you guys, Um Side Eye of
Speaker 1: the week. You already know, you already know, you already
Speaker 1: know where in the side I am the sin I
Speaker 1: is going to the one who is proclaiming to be
Speaker 1: the biggest, the baddest, the strongest, but is also the
Speaker 1: brokest in the house. And I don't mean in real life,
Speaker 1: I want to specify the house because I know she's
Speaker 1: want to survive her fifteen million times and therefore she
Speaker 1: has way more money than me. I get it. But
Speaker 1: we're talking about the game and the show and what
Speaker 1: we see, all right, and she is barking just to
Speaker 1: everyone all the time, but without actually backing it up,
Speaker 1: move in silence. It also makes no sense to me
Speaker 1: that she clearly I have strong feelings about it. It It
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me that clearly that you know,
Speaker 1: if you're big and bad, then you don't need to
Speaker 1: ask everyone else to help you out, first of all,
Speaker 1: and then second of all, don't you want to go
Speaker 1: in elimination in away because you need to get money
Speaker 1: to qualify? Like that's at that's the point where we are,
Speaker 1: because you never when it gets down to this few
Speaker 1: of people, like you never really know when TJ is
Speaker 1: gonna be like pack it up, we're going to the final,
Speaker 1: you know, or like the next game you really don't,
Speaker 1: so like, now's the time to go in and get
Speaker 1: that money. So so so so what that Alyssa and
Speaker 1: Angela are trying to get you to lose? Cool, lose gracefully,
Speaker 1: channel all that in your energy for the elimination and
Speaker 1: then pick one of your members of the Fab five
Speaker 1: that you want to win, hoping and maybe even help
Speaker 1: one of the guys. See that would have been like
Speaker 1: pick a guy you want to help to win. So
Speaker 1: then that way you can ensure that the votes are
Speaker 1: on your side for who you want to go against
Speaker 1: an elimination. That's all I'm saying. So Sarah gets my
Speaker 1: side Eye of the week. I think this is what
Speaker 1: two three weeks in a row, But you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, she gets all right, Now, who Devon gets
Speaker 1: your side Eye of the week? Oh lord, my FID
Speaker 1: Eye of the week goes to the Fab five. You're
Speaker 1: all five, all of them, all five of them. The
Speaker 1: strategy was just not there for me as an alliance.
Speaker 1: What is going on? Like? It was very embarrassing to
Speaker 1: watch these two women take y'all out it brother, it
Speaker 1: might have been a big brother. I'm just kidding. That's
Speaker 1: probably why. It's probably why. That's probably why because I've
Speaker 1: been in a fine person alliance and was probably was
Speaker 1: the one that ruined it. I don't know, but look,
Speaker 1: this was so hard to watch because even when Angela
Speaker 1: and Elis are in their confessionals and they're like, um,
Speaker 1: we beat you guys, we all smart at you guys,
Speaker 1: and so on and so forth, they are rightfully talking
Speaker 1: mess because they actually did. And look, I'm all for
Speaker 1: Desi winning and doing her own things, but I think
Speaker 1: that it should have been a conversation amongst the alliance, like, look, Desi,
Speaker 1: go out there, you get the win, because we know
Speaker 1: you're going to protect us, and then we'll go after
Speaker 1: Angela making sure that she you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that there should have been a conversation at Seed we'll know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we learned a lot on this episode, you guys, by
Speaker 1: the way, with our interview a Desi around all sorts
Speaker 1: of things going on, even like how the Baptive formed
Speaker 1: when it formed all sorts of things. But that's a
Speaker 1: fair I mean, we've never had where a whole group
Speaker 1: of people get to side eye day, but I you
Speaker 1: know what, I can respect all respect. So then that
Speaker 1: technically means Cachet got both a wink of the week
Speaker 1: and as an individual, she gotta waits alliance. She's in
Speaker 1: the side. There you go, She's just getting all there,
Speaker 1: you go, Cachet going out on top. Girl. At least
Speaker 1: you're getting a lot. You're getting a lot this week,
Speaker 1: for sure, And we got a lot. You guys so
Speaker 1: much behind. I think this was probably the most revealing
Speaker 1: interview we have done so far. I mean, like, we
Speaker 1: just learned a lot about about Desi, her mindset, where
Speaker 1: her head is in this game, but we also learn
Speaker 1: a lot about other people and like alliances and conversations
Speaker 1: and go, like we she opens up a whole new layer.
Speaker 1: It honestly could be a whole other episode tacked on
Speaker 1: to this show in my opinion, Like it's just so
Speaker 1: much going on, so um, so much fun talking with her,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm sad to see Cash go. I am, like,
Speaker 1: I I liked her being the little engine that could
Speaker 1: and like making it that far in the game. But
Speaker 1: I do think it was you know, I don't say
Speaker 1: it was inevitable because I don't I don't like that
Speaker 1: but like you know, it is it's getting down to
Speaker 1: what we have like six girls left or seven girls,
Speaker 1: like you know, like it is starting to get cutthroat.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a good episode. Good interview with Desi Davon.
Speaker 1: You know, Davon came with the receipt to you guys,
Speaker 1: like Davon was in here for you all, asking all
Speaker 1: the questions. She might not be committing videos on her
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, but but let me go upload a video
Speaker 1: right now. But okay, if she is asking all the questions.
Speaker 1: And also I just want to give an honorable mention.
Speaker 1: It doesn't go towards like a side eye or a wink.
Speaker 1: It's like in the middle. I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: appreciate Tyson's self reflection in that he doesn't like to
Speaker 1: be the brokest one anywhere. He likes be the richest one,
Speaker 1: which is why he goes to the cheap restaurant. We
Speaker 1: appreciate the honesty Tyson so great. Uh yes, yes, put
Speaker 1: it on a T shirt. We love it. We love
Speaker 1: the honesty. We love daisise honesty with us as she
Speaker 1: joins the podcast today. So make sure you stay tuned,
Speaker 1: because I promise you you do not want to miss
Speaker 1: this interview if you are a Challenge fan at all,
Speaker 1: and I'm not just hyping it up like dude. We
Speaker 1: learned so much on this episode, so stay tuned because
Speaker 1: it's definitely coming up next. Yes, and remember, we want
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Speaker 1: the hashtag ask Challenge you essay, and maybe we'll use
Speaker 1: your questions in an upcoming pick your Poison segment. Oh
Speaker 1: and by the way, you know the girls are feuding
Speaker 1: because of our podcasts. Tyson and Ben are going at it.
Speaker 1: Oh yes they are, Yes, because of the interviews that
Speaker 1: came out last week. Oh see, this is why you
Speaker 1: guys need to stay tuned to the podcast. So y'all
Speaker 1: to him and then tweet us. Make sure to include
Speaker 1: Davon and myself so we can know what's going on.
Speaker 1: We might respond, we might not depend on what's good
Speaker 1: for our political game. But either way of maure you
Speaker 1: stay tuned into what's going on. Okay, So we will
Speaker 1: be back with this fabulous interview with the Dasi Williams
Speaker 1: after this break. Dazi, my girl, My girl, My girl.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. We have been waiting for you, mama. Welcome,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm excited to talk to y'all. Girl.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you here. I asked so
Speaker 1: many questions. All right, hopefully I got all the answers. Yes,
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. First of all, let's let's run it
Speaker 1: back from the beginning. You know, we're gonna ease into
Speaker 1: this interview. Okay, So you get the phone call and
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, we want you to come do this
Speaker 1: new version of the challenge. How do you feel? What
Speaker 1: do you say? What happens? Um? I mean I was excited,
Speaker 1: like why would First of all, like I played Survivor
Speaker 1: five years ago, So I was also like, are you
Speaker 1: sure you're calling the right person? Might be all no,
Speaker 1: like I would often seen for a minute, so I
Speaker 1: think first and foremost, I was just like, what there
Speaker 1: al did they pull my name out of? Like? How
Speaker 1: did they find me? Was like my first thought. But
Speaker 1: then my second thought was like, obviously I love competition.
Speaker 1: I love to compete, so this is like, you know,
Speaker 1: the competition and Survivors were my favorite, so I was
Speaker 1: excited to like get another opportunity to compete in these
Speaker 1: like outrageous challenges that only happened on reality TV. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean I was flattered. I was excited, but then
Speaker 1: when I got there, I was like, yeah, truly, how
Speaker 1: did they find me? Because you know, when it comes
Speaker 1: to like survivors who were survivor of legends, like people
Speaker 1: who have been on multiple seasons or who were like
Speaker 1: I grew up like thinking like this person is like
Speaker 1: an amazing Survivor player, don't ut estimate yourself. So did
Speaker 1: that make you feel intimidated? Desi when you arrived and
Speaker 1: you saw who all was there? Yes? Absolutely? Um. I
Speaker 1: mean Sarah Latina obviously is like one of the best
Speaker 1: Survivor players ever just physically strategically. Um So when I
Speaker 1: saw Sarah Latina, I was like sh like, if I
Speaker 1: could go into the nation gets hurt, I might break
Speaker 1: a neck like, um so it is intimidating. It's intimidating them.
Speaker 1: These people are like really good strategic players but also
Speaker 1: really good physical players. And although like physically I did
Speaker 1: great on Survivors like you did, Jane, strategy was was
Speaker 1: not mine. It was not my change. So I was nervous.
Speaker 1: I was like I need to work with these people
Speaker 1: because it's not like, yeah, I'm either with them or
Speaker 1: against them. Don't. I don't underestimates never. Girl, Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. When the promo for the show aired,
Speaker 1: the internet, girl, I think you went viral. The internet
Speaker 1: was in an uproar. But your muscle, girl, your muscles
Speaker 1: on the internet, like they were like, she's fit, she's beautiful,
Speaker 1: she's gorgeous. What did you do to train and prepare?
Speaker 1: Because a girl, you came in looking like what you
Speaker 1: look like. When you look like what you look like?
Speaker 1: But what happened? What did you do? I mean, I
Speaker 1: work out anyway, So I, like some of the people
Speaker 1: on the challenge, I think knew from like October they
Speaker 1: were falling on the show. I knew from like I
Speaker 1: want to say, like February. So I had like a
Speaker 1: month and a half maybe to prepare. But I work
Speaker 1: out anyway, So I work out like five six days
Speaker 1: a week at baseline. So really it was just like,
Speaker 1: let me work out a little bit harder and have
Speaker 1: like a goal in mind versus me just like working
Speaker 1: out to fit in my clothes basically, So I truthfully
Speaker 1: like my workout routine did not change significantly. Prepping for
Speaker 1: the challenge, it was just, you know, a little bit
Speaker 1: more of what I do. Anyway, Desy, you brought up
Speaker 1: a really good point you said when you came in
Speaker 1: the house and you saw, you know, all of the
Speaker 1: other particularly the Survivor players that were there and their
Speaker 1: Survivor legends. Because as a viewer, I'm wondering if you
Speaker 1: get of help clarify this. You mentioned when you saw Sarah,
Speaker 1: like Sarah is legendary in the Survivor world for good reason.
Speaker 1: Watching her on the challenge, she hasn't quite shown what
Speaker 1: she's capable of or what she's done. Sarah's like, I'm
Speaker 1: the best, I'm the best. But she's also telling people
Speaker 1: put something on Angela's board, put something on Unlysta's board.
Speaker 1: They're trying to get me out. So do you think
Speaker 1: that just her history allowed her to be the biggest
Speaker 1: in the beast, you know, or like to claim that
Speaker 1: title without having had proved herself so far in the
Speaker 1: challenge or what are your thoughts on that? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely yes, I mean yeah, I have never understood like
Speaker 1: meeting with like I prefer to just like overperform, like
Speaker 1: I want to be underestimated. Then I want to prove
Speaker 1: myself to you. I'm not trying to talk a big
Speaker 1: game if I can't back it up. So that's always
Speaker 1: strange to me when people are like meeting with their
Speaker 1: words versus their action. But I will say she's played
Speaker 1: Survivor enough times, improving herself on Survivor enough times. But
Speaker 1: people who know her from Survivor know she's a competitor,
Speaker 1: and people who know like her back around, like this
Speaker 1: girl was an MMA fighter, she's a cop. She ran
Speaker 1: seven marathons on seven different continents in seven days, Like
Speaker 1: I want to ran one marathon once and I would
Speaker 1: never do that again. Most miserable I've ever been in
Speaker 1: my life. So I know she's like, like, you have
Speaker 1: to be like almost mentally unwell, so like do some
Speaker 1: shit like that. So I just I think we all
Speaker 1: knew that she had like the drive in her in
Speaker 1: the night. But yeah, she's certainly not showing her off
Speaker 1: home the challenge in the way that we all expected
Speaker 1: her too, and obviously that she expected herself too. And
Speaker 1: speaking of saying showing up in the challenge, there's a
Speaker 1: hilarious clip of you early on in this episode where
Speaker 1: he were like Angela came here, in diamond she didn't
Speaker 1: need the money. Can you walk us through for a moment,
Speaker 1: because I was not expecting that. Also, you're hilarious. You
Speaker 1: also said it with a very straight phase. And also
Speaker 1: the Challenge House and like, I don't feel like i'd
Speaker 1: bring anything valuable to the Challenge House. That's just me personally.
Speaker 1: She had diamonds, despair, That's what I'm saying. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like my Lulu living pants were missing, and
Speaker 1: I was like this girl, like diamonds on diamonds, like
Speaker 1: not just one diamond ring, like diamond ring, diamond necklace,
Speaker 1: diamond earrings, And I just assumed it was like keep
Speaker 1: in circonia, Like why would you bring diamonds? Right, So
Speaker 1: exactly if you have diamonds to spare because they tell
Speaker 1: you not to bring anything valuable, So you didn't bring
Speaker 1: your most valuable diamonds. You brought your spare time, your
Speaker 1: everyday diamonds. Yeah right, you're every day Like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't need beings diamonds. So if you've got diamonds to spear, like, girl,
Speaker 1: you don't need this money, right, that's a that's embassism, right,
Speaker 1: that sounds far away diamonds, Like I can't even related
Speaker 1: you get right, basically basically, so I said it with
Speaker 1: a straight face because I'm into it's just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she didn't her from different worlds, Like we're not the
Speaker 1: same man, So tell us about this fad five? How
Speaker 1: did it form? When did it form? Whose idea was it?
Speaker 1: How did this come about? It is actually bizarre are
Speaker 1: the Fab five became such a big deal so that
Speaker 1: y'all saw where Sarah said to the Fab five and
Speaker 1: then Cash yelled the five five? Could hear like that
Speaker 1: was literally when the Fab five was quote unquote formed,
Speaker 1: and it was like there was no there was no conversation,
Speaker 1: there was no discussion. I had not ever talked game
Speaker 1: to Cash ever, So the fact that it became such
Speaker 1: a big deal to everybody else in the house isn't
Speaker 1: shocking to me because Cash literally yelled it, and then
Speaker 1: of course it's going to become a big deal. But
Speaker 1: it really like the Fab five was never as solid
Speaker 1: and as big of a deal as anybody else made
Speaker 1: a scene or it wasn't received it to be. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like I think once everybody was talking about it,
Speaker 1: like it had to become real because like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no way for us to talk people out of
Speaker 1: the fact that we're working together now. But it was not.
Speaker 1: There was no discussion about this five five. Sarah said
Speaker 1: it and we're like, okay, that's cute, I guess, and
Speaker 1: then it kind of just exploded from there and became
Speaker 1: very much the biggest deal in the house. Where do
Speaker 1: you in Cash stand now, because watching it, of course
Speaker 1: it does it seems like it's the biggest deal in
Speaker 1: the house, right, like, oh, this is this blood alianes,
Speaker 1: although let me rewind for a second. It seems like
Speaker 1: that except for when one of your members of the
Speaker 1: Fast five I'm not gonna say any names or pointy elbows,
Speaker 1: was like go block out the other boards and you're like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: and then you walked right over to your board. He's
Speaker 1: right on down as you're like, I could block out
Speaker 1: or I could win. I think I'm gonna win. Yes, yes, girl, Yes,
Speaker 1: it seems like everyone lost sight of the goal really
Speaker 1: of the day. But is that like, where do you
Speaker 1: in cash stand now? Having voted her in, like, do
Speaker 1: you feel like she understood because you got the fab
Speaker 1: five apparently wasn't as tight as it appeared or did
Speaker 1: it really cause a rift outside of the house, And no,
Speaker 1: I think Cashe understood, and yeah, there's there's just so
Speaker 1: much context and sub context, but yeah, Cashe and I
Speaker 1: were never close in the house, and she, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of came to me and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: although we've never been close, like I've never thrown your
Speaker 1: name in and I'm like, girl, you halfway one one time,
Speaker 1: like when did she got to my name in um?
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's neither here nor there. But she tried
Speaker 1: to convince me that she was never against me. But
Speaker 1: part of the reason why I felt I had to
Speaker 1: win that challenge was even though we had said FAB
Speaker 1: five in a separate conversation I can't remembering, Justine or
Speaker 1: Kayla came to me and said that Cache, like within
Speaker 1: the three days after we said FAB five had come
Speaker 1: to them and said that she was targeting me. Really,
Speaker 1: that's her. And then Alyssa and then Cachet came to
Speaker 1: me and said, oh, listen, Angela are targeting you. And
Speaker 1: I have a separate conversation with Angela and Alyssa, who said,
Speaker 1: oh no, Cash came to us and told us that
Speaker 1: she wants to target you. So there's just like so
Speaker 1: much best story that there was part of me that
Speaker 1: was like, if I don't win this, in Cache right,
Speaker 1: possibly wins this because she was the next girl who's
Speaker 1: gonna win behind me, Like she probably could have beat me,
Speaker 1: but she incorrectly laid out her tiles form four um
Speaker 1: the shade in that statement, Daisy, I heard it, but
Speaker 1: continue I no, I'm just I'm just putting like context
Speaker 1: to the situation and maybe slight shade, but like no
Speaker 1: Cache as a person, like she laughed about it, and
Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, I screwed up at my connect four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I also knew like potentially a she won. It
Speaker 1: was clear that right that I was not safe with her,
Speaker 1: And it was also clear that something weird was happening
Speaker 1: with the survivor boys like Dom and Danny were my
Speaker 1: strongest alliance. That was the only alliance that ever had
Speaker 1: a name. It was Triple D. We have been Triple
Speaker 1: D from like the beginning, gotcha. So it became clear
Speaker 1: that there was something weird happening during that challenge, but
Speaker 1: they were clearly not targeting these girls who we have
Speaker 1: been against, like we were never sat Yeah, Angela and Melyssa, like,
Speaker 1: why all of a sudden are we protecting them and
Speaker 1: not targeting them? What's the real tea, DESI, I know
Speaker 1: we're sort of going out of order in a way,
Speaker 1: but what's the real ty of why you picked cash?
Speaker 1: Because what we see is we see you and like
Speaker 1: you're putting up a fight for it to be Alyssa
Speaker 1: and Angela, which makes sense, valid argument diamonds and all
Speaker 1: Um and Danny's like, absolutely not. And I have a
Speaker 1: theory on why you did end up changing and making
Speaker 1: it cash, but I want to know if that's correct.
Speaker 1: So what is the real reason. I would love to
Speaker 1: hear your theory. You want me to answer first. I
Speaker 1: wanted to answer first, but then I'll tell you my
Speaker 1: theory whether it was right or wrong. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: there was a lot that way. Obviously, we literally went
Speaker 1: back and forth. So, like I said, dum, Danny and
Speaker 1: I have been thick as thieves from maybe not day one,
Speaker 1: but as soon as like all the other so I
Speaker 1: started to act weird. We created this like sub alliance
Speaker 1: within Survivor. So part of me, part of the reason
Speaker 1: why I never wanted to do what Danny want to
Speaker 1: do is because I felt like portrayed was just hurt
Speaker 1: in the moment, and I was like, you just betrayed me,
Speaker 1: and now you want me to do what you want
Speaker 1: to do. Like that just wasn't sitting right with me.
Speaker 1: It also was feeling like the boys were running every
Speaker 1: elimination decision and that wasn't sitting right with me. So
Speaker 1: I never really had an issue throwing cash it. And oh,
Speaker 1: I mean I personally didn't. I wanted to give Sarah
Speaker 1: who she wanted, and truthfully, like I would have loved
Speaker 1: to get Sara Angela out of the game. I mean,
Speaker 1: list I didn't really find as a threat, but I
Speaker 1: just like I was ready for her to go essentially, um,
Speaker 1: so I was more pushing for a list of than
Speaker 1: Angela because I didn't want Angela to come back and
Speaker 1: win something targed me right, So cash it was kind
Speaker 1: of the easiest decision, and the only reason I ever
Speaker 1: fought so hard against it was because at that point
Speaker 1: I was no longer trusting my cons guy alliance, and
Speaker 1: so I didn't know where I had protection in the game. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I knew it wasn't with Cash, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. One thing that gives me to in Trouble
Speaker 1: and Big Brothers. I'm a fact checker. I like to
Speaker 1: check facts, and we have you on a podcast, and
Speaker 1: so I have to ask this question you here now, girls,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask. But earlier you said that you and
Speaker 1: Cache hadn't talked game, you hadn't really talked to her,
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. But let's go back to
Speaker 1: around when Tiffany was there, right, weren't you the one
Speaker 1: who warned Cache that Tiffany was allegedly coming after her?
Speaker 1: So it wasn't Yes, I did, Yeah, I did. So
Speaker 1: why did you want to protect her early on? But
Speaker 1: then she became disposable at the end? Like? What what?
Speaker 1: What shifted? What happened? It was less? Well, there's there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot. So we'll start like in that moment Cash,
Speaker 1: Like there's stuff that transpired with Cash, And I asked
Speaker 1: that point in the game, but tell my girl more
Speaker 1: so warning Cache because like and now I think it
Speaker 1: was all like I don't know if there was an act.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the feelings were true, but like
Speaker 1: this girl seemed to truly be struggling around Sino being
Speaker 1: in this game, like truly struggling. So I was trying
Speaker 1: to tell her that to be like, girl gets your
Speaker 1: mind right, like she's doing this on purpose to screw
Speaker 1: with you, Like don't let it get under your skin,
Speaker 1: like it's really like this is part of her game,
Speaker 1: but don't like kill yourself over it, because I mean
Speaker 1: she cried all the time, like all the time we
Speaker 1: had her on the podcast, and I do think it
Speaker 1: was a real it seemed like that was significant for her,
Speaker 1: like that she really was. Yeah. Yeah, and it felt
Speaker 1: significant for me in a moment too. So that's really
Speaker 1: why I wonder because I was like, I just need
Speaker 1: you to like grasp that this is all a part
Speaker 1: of Tiffany's game move so that would like move forward
Speaker 1: in this game and actually just like play this game
Speaker 1: and not see this as a personal attack. It's a
Speaker 1: game attack. So so it's more so encouragement than like
Speaker 1: having her back in the game. Yeah. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: never like we were working together. Okay, yeah, Kashi and
Speaker 1: I were, I think clearly to nobody ever working together.
Speaker 1: But it was more just like I need this girl
Speaker 1: doc crime over this man and this man flirting U.
Speaker 1: And then fast forward once Tiffany was gone from the game.
Speaker 1: Then it became like any girl who was talking to
Speaker 1: Sinko too much. She then was like, why are you
Speaker 1: flitting with Sinko? Like that hurt? That hurts my feelings.
Speaker 1: So like she and I had an altercation about it.
Speaker 1: She and Justine had to have a conversation about it.
Speaker 1: I think she and shann had to have a conversation
Speaker 1: about it, like Sinko could not talk to a woman
Speaker 1: in the house without it being a problem. And that's
Speaker 1: when I was like, Okay, she's taking it like I
Speaker 1: understand you're hurt, Like you're taking it too far. Like
Speaker 1: every woman talking single don't want Sinko, Well, they don't
Speaker 1: do a Singo. We don't want to Sinko. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of where we went from there. And then after
Speaker 1: that we just sort of didn't communicate much and then
Speaker 1: the fat fire formed. And then as we were sitting there, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I will say like I was also closed with Justine, Sarah,
Speaker 1: and Kayla. Kayla was also like Kayla and I had
Speaker 1: been probably she was probably girl I was closest with
Speaker 1: the soonest in the game. So once they kind of
Speaker 1: got close with Cashion, then I had to like, you know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't be like, you guys want to be friends
Speaker 1: of Cache didn't like this, likes and she's cool or whatever,
Speaker 1: but like, I also didn't know that herding the part
Speaker 1: of our alliance was going to benefit us. But I
Speaker 1: went along with it because I'm not going to kiss
Speaker 1: off my other alliance, mum. So I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that I'm fair because you gave me the real reason.
Speaker 1: You gave us the real reason why you voted out
Speaker 1: cashe as opposed to what my theory was, and I
Speaker 1: was wrong. What was your so my theory because I've
Speaker 1: been in that situation before where it is two people
Speaker 1: voting someone out like voting someone down, and it was
Speaker 1: Zach and me at the time, and we did not agree,
Speaker 1: And what went down behind the scenes was TJ said,
Speaker 1: if y'all don't come to an agreement, then Devin's going
Speaker 1: to go into elimination, and so I gave Zach the
Speaker 1: look of death, and then we came to an agreement
Speaker 1: and I did not go into elimination. And I was wondering.
Speaker 1: I think someone alluded to this on our podcasts to
Speaker 1: day that there was a feeling that potentially if when
Speaker 1: we got to the single gender eliminations right where it's
Speaker 1: just like a guy's day, girls day that if the
Speaker 1: two people didn't agree, then the one who wasn't up
Speaker 1: for elimination could sort of hold firm and the person
Speaker 1: whoever's gender it was to be eliminated that day would
Speaker 1: then actually have to swap in. So I was wondering
Speaker 1: if it got you really were you know, dedicated to
Speaker 1: the Fab five just as a viewer, and if you
Speaker 1: really wanted it to be Angela or Elyssa. And Danny
Speaker 1: was like absolutely not that, TJ or somehow you heard like, okay,
Speaker 1: if you guys don't agree, then DESI, you're going to
Speaker 1: be the one going down into elimination. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we assumed that as well. So that's why I knew
Speaker 1: we had come to agreement. And yeah, it was pretty
Speaker 1: clear that Danny was not budging. But like I said,
Speaker 1: I also had reason to grocashing, right, just like the
Speaker 1: past experiences in the game, I have reasoned grocashing it.
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to stick with the five fives.
Speaker 1: I don't one puts off that alliance. I also knew
Speaker 1: like even if Sarah is her most kissed and she
Speaker 1: which is every episode girl, it's every episode. Ye exactly,
Speaker 1: She's not going to be more pissed than me than
Speaker 1: she is it And that's right, that's true. She is
Speaker 1: just lasered in right on Angela for sure. Yeah. Oh,
Speaker 1: now that you voted Keche And does this mean you're
Speaker 1: now kind of taken into this alliance with Alissa, Angela,
Speaker 1: Danny then the Survivor boys like because since you were
Speaker 1: a part of Triple D and like they you know,
Speaker 1: Dom and Danny were trying to get you over to
Speaker 1: their way of thinking. Now you did something that benefits
Speaker 1: their game. Yeah, what what benefit are you going to
Speaker 1: get from this now? Or can we expect or at
Speaker 1: least do you think that you're going to get from this? Right? Right? So,
Speaker 1: I mean that's essentially the dream months old, right, Like
Speaker 1: we forgot to tell you that this was part of
Speaker 1: our alliance now, like that was our bad and not
Speaker 1: telling you, so we're telling you now like you were
Speaker 1: always a part of this essentially so not shown separately.
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Angela and Melissa and they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I'm sorry the boys didn't communicate to
Speaker 1: you that we had formed this new alliance, but like
Speaker 1: you were always in our alliance. WHOA yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I I agree, right, but like, you know, how do
Speaker 1: you think you don't know what? Yeah? H yeah, hindsight
Speaker 1: not everybody has a Davon in their back pocket to
Speaker 1: go read the receiver's right right right, and now I'm
Speaker 1: seeing it back and I'm like, no, they purposefuly Food
Speaker 1: and me from this conversation, But I still trusted that
Speaker 1: Danny and Dom had mind back before they had Tala
Speaker 1: or just right Sarah's back right. So it was really
Speaker 1: kind of like a point in the game where I
Speaker 1: was like, I could either stick with this bad five
Speaker 1: relationship and potentially piss off these other people that could
Speaker 1: potentially throw me in, or I would just like make
Speaker 1: sure I'm doing basically every want of it. So it
Speaker 1: kind of secured me being essentially in that like at
Speaker 1: this point that I'm an alliance with everybody else. Girl,
Speaker 1: that's the way to do it. That is the way
Speaker 1: to do it, let me tell you. Yeah. So that's
Speaker 1: essentially how that like worked out, and it became the
Speaker 1: best decision for me. So inside of the game, without
Speaker 1: watching episodes and knowing, you know, the out parts of
Speaker 1: what's happening, you feel safe, you feel like you're a
Speaker 1: part Okay, I'm good with these people. I'm good with
Speaker 1: these people. Are like you just said, I'm covered with everybody, right,
Speaker 1: But now you're watching it back and you're seeing what
Speaker 1: was going on behind the scene, So I mean, how
Speaker 1: does it feel knowing that Angela and Elyssa essentially had
Speaker 1: more pool in your alliance than you did? Wow, it's
Speaker 1: no I agree. I mean I'm still like, I don't
Speaker 1: know that. I could look at Dom and Danny the
Speaker 1: same like, yeah, yeah, how have we been working together
Speaker 1: for literal weeks and you have gone conversation for angel
Speaker 1: and listen, now that's y'all's road Dolf Like yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean that's a boy who thinks that, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: we still having the back of our head that potentially
Speaker 1: there's going to be a partner from putting the final.
Speaker 1: So I actually understood, Like, I understand you not wanting
Speaker 1: to put Angela an I understand you wanting Angela to
Speaker 1: go to the end. Like I shoot, I would choose
Speaker 1: angel overst the men to compete in the final with
Speaker 1: as well as a partner, So I get that, Like,
Speaker 1: why a, Lissa, That's just what I couldn't. I couldn't
Speaker 1: understand why Alyssa so heavily. I mean, she does have
Speaker 1: a big bank account. So I'm not gonna lie. You
Speaker 1: look at her, you don't necessarily think she's the most intimidating,
Speaker 1: but when you look at her number on that roster,
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, she's put in work. I mean she
Speaker 1: has she does well, yeah, she has a big, a
Speaker 1: big bank account. And it's interesting. The way Angela and
Speaker 1: Alyssa went about getting boys on their side was very smart,
Speaker 1: and especially if you're saying that you had a feeling
Speaker 1: that guys were kind of running these eliminations or what
Speaker 1: have you. Do you think that was something that was
Speaker 1: missed on the part of the Fab five at all,
Speaker 1: because we don't see them, at least as a viewer,
Speaker 1: really taking much of that into account. Yeah, okay, so here,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like, I'm like, how do I even like? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say the first thing that I wanted
Speaker 1: to say initially, and then we'll get back to this question.
Speaker 1: But the tea is, and this came from the lists
Speaker 1: of Angela that the challenge that Alyssa won, Angela threw
Speaker 1: you might recall it was like horoscope signs and she
Speaker 1: repeated the horoscope and she knew she repeated that horoscope,
Speaker 1: but she wanted a Lissa to be part of. Like,
Speaker 1: so that's the first team and then circle back to
Speaker 1: your question. Um, so that's why I'm still like why
Speaker 1: Alissa she wants trivia? But now we know why she
Speaker 1: wants for a trivia Okay, So that's the first team
Speaker 1: and then circling back to to the Fab five. So
Speaker 1: I don't think And there's like so much like drama
Speaker 1: happening with like Ben and Sarah, Like there's a lot
Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes that for me, like it's not
Speaker 1: even worth bringing the Fab five to the boys because like,
Speaker 1: Sarah's pretty volatile at this point in the game. Volatile.
Speaker 1: But also what you're not seeing is every other day
Speaker 1: Sarah's like I'm tired of this game. I missed my family.
Speaker 1: I want to go home. Oh boy. So there's also
Speaker 1: this like idea that like, is Sarah's head even in
Speaker 1: this game, So there's no boy who's going to put
Speaker 1: his game on the line, right Sarah. Yes, yesterday or
Speaker 1: thirty minutes ago, Sarah was like I'm gonna go home,
Speaker 1: and that's why you even see Sarah coming to Danny
Speaker 1: I at this point in the game, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I just want to try to know, like I'm here,
Speaker 1: Like remember she came in like daft this up? That
Speaker 1: look crazy Hill? That was crazy as Hill. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: That was one of my questions, what were you thinking
Speaker 1: that moment? Because that was crazy. I would have just
Speaker 1: bust out laughing. I'm sorry. What she was just like
Speaker 1: I'll send her home, Okay, let's do it by what.
Speaker 1: But that's why she did it was because I feel
Speaker 1: like the day before it's probably the same day, I
Speaker 1: don't know, she was saying, like I'm ready to us
Speaker 1: go home, Like I don't even I'm going to elimination.
Speaker 1: I just want to go home anyway. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put in right to elimination and
Speaker 1: then your head is not here and you want to
Speaker 1: go home anyway. N they come back for me, Yeah, right, exactly,
Speaker 1: exactly right, and I have to deal with the consequences. No,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's why she that. That makes that, like
Speaker 1: that conversation make more sense, because yeah, it does look stupid.
Speaker 1: It's like out of context, why is she coming up
Speaker 1: to us or we're having a conversation, but it was
Speaker 1: to assure us that she was not in fact ready
Speaker 1: to go home, and she was ready to compete. And
Speaker 1: that also explains why she wanted Angela so much, because
Speaker 1: if she did lose, it was to a big person,
Speaker 1: a big player. David, I'm pulling out that psychology. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: is but that is so crazy because she was talking
Speaker 1: so much smack about Leo um keen Leo when Leo
Speaker 1: wanted to go home at one point, and like how
Speaker 1: week Leo is and she's trying to be big and
Speaker 1: bad and then you have no money and you're talking
Speaker 1: about you can't handle the game, you just want to
Speaker 1: go home, like what you call the girl brain? I
Speaker 1: mean she I don't know what I mean, not from
Speaker 1: I mean, she has more money than me. She's wants
Speaker 1: survive her but still on this show she's broke and
Speaker 1: it makes no sense. It's just all crazy to me.
Speaker 1: And also it now makes more sense because this is
Speaker 1: the thing that didn't sit right in my spirit watching
Speaker 1: this episode. When the commentary or the narrative changed to
Speaker 1: and Alyssa and Angela are gloating that like the Fab
Speaker 1: five had one goal, which is to get us out,
Speaker 1: and they couldn't do that during the specific challenge right
Speaker 1: during the game. I'm thinking that was not the goal
Speaker 1: full like the goal was, and does accomplished that? Like
Speaker 1: and especially knowing what I know you've just shared with us,
Speaker 1: DESI that Sarah every lunch break was like I might
Speaker 1: be here, I might not. No, I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: help sabotage for you when I could just skate and
Speaker 1: win some extra money in my bank account. Like make
Speaker 1: to me. I didn't like that that was the narrative.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys felt watching it, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you played it smart, DESI, like as
Speaker 1: you should have. The Fab five didn't fail at anything
Speaker 1: like Sarah wrote her own fate in that right game.
Speaker 1: So as an alliance, I do think they failed. I
Speaker 1: think y'all failed bad. Yeah I do. I do. I
Speaker 1: mean I do. I do. I think if we were
Speaker 1: truly working together. No, you go ahead, but I agree
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah no, let me let me say why,
Speaker 1: because they could have had a conversation where they said, Okay, DESSI,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take this, so all you need to do
Speaker 1: is focus on getting your four while you're getting your four,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sabotage Angela if that's what they really wanted
Speaker 1: to do. But here's the thing, why would you do
Speaker 1: that for anyone who's that volatile. I'm sorry, and I
Speaker 1: know I've been the weakest link on the challenge. I
Speaker 1: have no shame in my game, but I've never ever
Speaker 1: threatened to go home. I've never ever been like volatile.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give up. That is a liability, that is
Speaker 1: not a strength. I wouldn't risk anything for that because
Speaker 1: I have no money. So if if she doesn't get
Speaker 1: the money, she doesn't get to go to the final, right,
Speaker 1: so we ain't gonna have to worry about her for
Speaker 1: too much longer exactly, But I'm saying I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't have sabotaged because now look at Desi's
Speaker 1: position too, because Desie wouldn't have been in the right.
Speaker 1: But she's exactly her hands are clean, which means she
Speaker 1: could kind of butter up to Angela a list a
Speaker 1: little and be like, look, I gave you a bum
Speaker 1: what I'm saying or which is perfect? So therefore, in
Speaker 1: my mind, does he played it smart? Look if it
Speaker 1: was for a stronger player maybe, but for Sarah's a
Speaker 1: while behind. Absolutely not. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't It wasn't
Speaker 1: worth the risk. And I mean four out of five
Speaker 1: we didn't create a plan. Yeah. If, yeah, we had
Speaker 1: five people, we should have easily been able to sabotage
Speaker 1: them more than they were able to sabotage Sarah. But
Speaker 1: I first did not realize how much they were sapping. Like,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were just gonna black her out completely.
Speaker 1: I thought they were just gonna like block what she
Speaker 1: was already making. But at the same time, I couldn't
Speaker 1: risk thank you girl. Of course, in the words of
Speaker 1: t J, this is an individual game and at this point,
Speaker 1: I'm still working with Sarah, but I'm not Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to risk my game for Sarah. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: to work for Sara. I'm gonna support Sarah, cheer Sarah on,
Speaker 1: but like, I'm not going to risk my whole game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you didn't write for go on with what
Speaker 1: you was supposed to do. But as an aligne well, okay,
Speaker 1: let me say this, because yeah, we do have all
Speaker 1: this extra information now. But if it, like was a
Speaker 1: real alliance like what we thought we saw in the episode, right,
Speaker 1: because we thought this was something that was real, concrete, right,
Speaker 1: And if it was, I'm saying, you could have went
Speaker 1: on and did your thing. Got the four took the win,
Speaker 1: but the other four could have done a job if
Speaker 1: it was all about we need to get Angela out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and that at that point,
Speaker 1: if you guys would have made sure that she was
Speaker 1: in the bottom, the boys wouldn't have had no say
Speaker 1: it's out of their hands, and you guys could have
Speaker 1: taken controls. Sarah would have volunteered to then go in anyway,
Speaker 1: so she probably would have went home. Everybody will I
Speaker 1: also feel like there was it. To me, it just
Speaker 1: I feel like the Fab five needs a new strategic leader.
Speaker 1: You guys can call me next time. Kylan's gonna call
Speaker 1: me for the celebrity trivia. I like why to understand
Speaker 1: why they were like so I would have just let
Speaker 1: Angela or let us Sarah go into I don't know,
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just I have very strong feelings about the
Speaker 1: gameplay we've seen about Sarah, so I'm just shut up
Speaker 1: in this moment. But DESI props to you. I was
Speaker 1: proud and happy to see you in uh and the
Speaker 1: Fab five didn't. Nobody seemed to be on the same page,
Speaker 1: except for Kayla, who started, you know, initially putting things
Speaker 1: on Angela's I recommend my one, like we did have
Speaker 1: to put down one block, and I did put my
Speaker 1: one block on angel but like my one, Kayla did
Speaker 1: to keep blocking game. Y'all were like, she was like,
Speaker 1: can you please help me? Please? Please? I mean she
Speaker 1: probably even asked the security guards at that point. I
Speaker 1: know I didn't see it. She was asking the cameraman
Speaker 1: and the audio engineer, can you please because they're they're
Speaker 1: trying to block my board and they're messing with the
Speaker 1: wrong one because I'm the strongest. Now, can you put
Speaker 1: your microphone on the board to block it? Girl, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need you to pull your own weight. Thank you,
Speaker 1: right right, But it was weird to me that specifically
Speaker 1: Danny and Dom weren't at least helping her, And that's
Speaker 1: when I was like, going on here. But then, didn't
Speaker 1: you think at one point it was because he at
Speaker 1: the time was the only guy that wasn't qualified and
Speaker 1: didn't have money, like it would make sense that he
Speaker 1: would be like look, I want to help you say this,
Speaker 1: but like I gotta secure my spot in TJ's final
Speaker 1: or get ye had to block, yeah, yeah, keep you
Speaker 1: from right. Um, so we had to, like you had
Speaker 1: to block at least once, like oh really yeah? Oh
Speaker 1: so I think it was like you could put down
Speaker 1: three of your own and then you must block before
Speaker 1: you put a fourth one down on yours. So they
Speaker 1: said you're gonna take trips right exactly. So he had
Speaker 1: to block somebody. And not only was Angela's board the
Speaker 1: postes to like the entrance, yeah, like it's the easiest
Speaker 1: one to block, and you still purposely did not block
Speaker 1: her when we did he block? Who did he? I
Speaker 1: don't remember. I don't know block. I just know it
Speaker 1: was he didn't have enough blocks on her board. So
Speaker 1: that's when I was like happening, because why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: Danny and Dom at least like put their one block
Speaker 1: they had to put down on this girl's board we
Speaker 1: have never been working with in this game. Did anyone
Speaker 1: try to block you? No? She was clear. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think so. Yours was clear. And see I paid
Speaker 1: attention to that because I've been watching your social game
Speaker 1: from the beginning right, And so when this competition came up,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, let me see if somebody puts
Speaker 1: anything on hers. And the fact that George was clear,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, she got this in the bag.
Speaker 1: She got nobody was worried about putting anything on yours.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, her social game is a one.
Speaker 1: That's the way to do it in the radar. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get what I'm saying that. And that's why
Speaker 1: I did this both the way I did it because
Speaker 1: it's not gonna make anybody mad at me. I potentially
Speaker 1: now to a new line, I'm not mad at That
Speaker 1: was smart, but it was I'm was upset. Who are
Speaker 1: you more scared of to compete against DESI? Sarah or Angela? Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean obviously Angela. Yeah, I mean Sarah or Alyssa.
Speaker 1: Don't don't do that. I mean it's obviously against Sarah.
Speaker 1: I do not find personally Alyssa intimidating at all. Personally.
Speaker 1: I don't know that she hasn't performed like she killed
Speaker 1: that elimination. I gave that to where she killed that elimination?
Speaker 1: Yes she did, Yes she did, But could I have
Speaker 1: probably done it? Better. You know what I mean? That
Speaker 1: sounds like a great song. Davon, Who would you be
Speaker 1: more afraid to go against? Sarah or Angela? We talked
Speaker 1: about this. I ain't afraid of nobody, Devin, I know,
Speaker 1: but okay, fine, who if you had to pick one
Speaker 1: two go against in any of the eliminations we've seen
Speaker 1: thus far, which would you pick, Um, Sarah or Angela?
Speaker 1: I think I would pick Sarah if I was in
Speaker 1: the house with her, because I would be annoyed. I
Speaker 1: would be thoroughly annoyed to the point where it's like,
Speaker 1: come on, let's just get this over with. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because that's just my personality. Let's just
Speaker 1: get this over with. But if one of them were
Speaker 1: down and they called me down, I mean, let's go
Speaker 1: to war. I don't care, all right, So let's let's
Speaker 1: not say Sarah or alyssay he be the only person throwing.
Speaker 1: But you know what I listen, I don't underestimate anybody,
Speaker 1: like we was talking about um with Danny versus Enzo
Speaker 1: in a haubraw. If the person is terrified of you,
Speaker 1: that's the person you need to be very careful. We're
Speaker 1: going into so I don't underestimate anybody. It might be
Speaker 1: a puzzle and a listen might get the puzzle quicker
Speaker 1: than I do. You just you don't know, you don't know,
Speaker 1: or trivia like that one elimination right with the entertainment trivia,
Speaker 1: Madonna could show up. You never know. That's fair. So
Speaker 1: when you go and you tell Sarah that Angela was
Speaker 1: a no go, you said there were conversations that happened
Speaker 1: in the background about pitching Alyssa, Well, I want to
Speaker 1: know what those conversations were and who they were too.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was mostly having my conversations with Danny.
Speaker 1: I couldn't understand why Danny did not want to pull
Speaker 1: this in because she's not the strongest like. She's not
Speaker 1: the strongest competitor in the house, for sure, she's not
Speaker 1: a weak like. I don't think she's necessarily weakest necessarily,
Speaker 1: but it was I mean, I would say at this
Speaker 1: point it would have to be probably between you in
Speaker 1: my head, Cashi and Lissam, But I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to like depend on the competence. Do
Speaker 1: you think the weakest guy is in the house at
Speaker 1: this point? Oh? No, Enzo, mm, you know, I always
Speaker 1: forgot he was there still, right right, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't think he was in this episode of at all.
Speaker 1: He was in one line, which is actually really funny, like,
Speaker 1: um it was to me, it was such a good
Speaker 1: into moment because everybody's like putting their things in and
Speaker 1: they're looking at TJ, you know, like am I clear?
Speaker 1: Or like did I get it? Or something like that,
Speaker 1: and then you just see Enzo and he does his
Speaker 1: He's like we good. It was just such a like
Speaker 1: I don't know, a funny into moment, but you know,
Speaker 1: I don't wanted to know. You guys had the Fab five.
Speaker 1: Did you ever let Cashe know that she could be
Speaker 1: going into elimination? Like did you warn her? Like a
Speaker 1: good question. I did. I did, As I sent people
Speaker 1: into elimination, I told him they were going in, so
Speaker 1: it wasn't that. So yeah, I did tell her, and
Speaker 1: she tried to make her last final plea to me,
Speaker 1: and that conversation got a little messy, and then I
Speaker 1: was would happen we are listening because we didn't say that. Um.
Speaker 1: She sort of tried to like give a quick little
Speaker 1: montage of our relationship, like you know, at first we
Speaker 1: like didn't really see eye to eye, like even though
Speaker 1: you were flirting with Sinko all the time, Like I
Speaker 1: still tried to like have your back, and I was
Speaker 1: never doing for you in this game. So I just
Speaker 1: don't understand, like why you would target me because I've
Speaker 1: always had your back, even when you were flirting with Sinko,
Speaker 1: and that was in the moment like, oh she gotta go.
Speaker 1: In this moment, you gonna bring up Sinko again, Like
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Oh wow, it was already you, But like
Speaker 1: now I still good about saying your name. No, it
Speaker 1: was already you, dassiek No. I mean it was like
Speaker 1: after I told her she was going in, then then
Speaker 1: this this argument that then gave you to Cherry, right right,
Speaker 1: she sealed. She sealed her own fate and ironically through
Speaker 1: the very guy she wanted to distance herself from. That's
Speaker 1: that's interesting. That's like Shakespearean in a way. Um, can
Speaker 1: you tell us about your relationship with Justine, because I
Speaker 1: know she's about vibe. You guys seem to have gotten
Speaker 1: really close and she's I mean, Justine has proved herself
Speaker 1: and done so in a way where she's not making
Speaker 1: like the most noise on the show. But she's proved herself.
Speaker 1: Tell me about your relationship with her power. Justine as
Speaker 1: my girl, Like I love, love, love Justine, and she
Speaker 1: has been killing it in the game, killing in the game.
Speaker 1: So I would say, like Justine, I mean I trusted
Speaker 1: at this point. I trusted Sarah, I trusted Kayla, I
Speaker 1: trusted Justine. I just did not totally trust Cache. So
Speaker 1: Justin and I worked tight at this point. I was
Speaker 1: also though a little confused as to like because again
Speaker 1: I said that, like, you know, cashe has now had
Speaker 1: a conversation about single with me with Justine and her
Speaker 1: had a thing about it, like it's the thing. So
Speaker 1: I've also confused us to like why all of a
Speaker 1: sudden just see in cash or like friendly again when
Speaker 1: there was also a period of time when like they
Speaker 1: weren't talking to each other in the house. So then
Speaker 1: I I don't know, you know, you come up with
Speaker 1: sum of stuff in your head. But I'm like Justine
Speaker 1: just like like she just a phenomenal actor, Like does
Speaker 1: she have my back? Like why are we working with Cache?
Speaker 1: Like I just couldn't. I couldn't figure it out. So
Speaker 1: Justine was my girl, Like I would have never put
Speaker 1: Justine in elimination, but that made the cash. So you
Speaker 1: have just question and everybody does you paranoia, but I
Speaker 1: literally did not until this episode and then everything started
Speaker 1: to like not add up because and that's why the
Speaker 1: Fab five thing was so odd because literally, like a
Speaker 1: week before that, I don't know if maybe it was
Speaker 1: have been two weeks at that point. You know, time
Speaker 1: is whatever in the house, but Cache and Justine were
Speaker 1: not talking to each other, and then all they were
Speaker 1: like sending all their time together, so that I'm like,
Speaker 1: was like, was that a fake fight so that we
Speaker 1: thought they weren't close something I actually are, Like, I
Speaker 1: just came up with so many Okay, I have another theory. Okay,
Speaker 1: not to add to your conspiracies, but now that you're
Speaker 1: not need to both myself as crazy, Okay, we still
Speaker 1: love you. I think everyone who's selling challenges a little
Speaker 1: bit of crazy, and then I feel like that's just
Speaker 1: the qualification. Okay, myself included obviously. All Right, So here's
Speaker 1: my new theory based on what you've shared with us
Speaker 1: now and what we watched in this week's episode. Do
Speaker 1: you think because you said Sarah was the one who said, oh,
Speaker 1: Fab five and then cashe sort of like set it
Speaker 1: out loud where everybody could hear it. Do you think
Speaker 1: the two players who stand to gain the most in
Speaker 1: having support from Kayla, you and Justine sort of like
Speaker 1: jumped on and or orchestrated this Fab five thing, feeling
Speaker 1: like they would say, to get benefit ms, we are
Speaker 1: going and now that you say it's at least the conspiracies, No, partly,
Speaker 1: but I think I also think Casche was trying to
Speaker 1: play all sides at this point of the game too,
Speaker 1: because after we had that Fat five conversation, she then
Speaker 1: had a separate conversation with Alyssa and Angela. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I think also I thinks thought she was good on
Speaker 1: all fronts, Like I think she was also just trying
Speaker 1: to like cover herself on all sides, and she I
Speaker 1: think I believed too strongly in her pole in the game,
Speaker 1: we learned so much my head is literally it's like
Speaker 1: when it's like that meme, you know where they have
Speaker 1: like the strings connected to the different photos and the
Speaker 1: figure out, Like there's so many things, so many things
Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes that we are like figuring out, um.
Speaker 1: And that's why I parted me to watch. I'm like like, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I come off it's like almost crazy, like or a
Speaker 1: week or like I made a dumb decision. But I'm
Speaker 1: like not so much, Like I don't think it's my
Speaker 1: cross is crazy at all? Like no, not at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that podcast, no, now, I it's like the freaking Wikipedia
Speaker 1: of the jeality things that were going on behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that we didn't yet know about. Like why everybody
Speaker 1: should be listening to our podcast because we got the juice,
Speaker 1: the tea, and the sauce come right over here, and
Speaker 1: it's sooner than that super sweet prappuccino that Davon got.
Speaker 1: Because do you know that Davon Okay, we talked about Chris. Okay, David,
Speaker 1: I just gotta and you know, I love you, says
Speaker 1: you know. Davon apparently goes to Starbucks and tells the
Speaker 1: barista to surprise her with a drink order, no joke.
Speaker 1: That is a level of recklessness we haven't seen since
Speaker 1: Vibe with Sarah in it. That is just wild to me.
Speaker 1: But also it's great. Means Davon is a gee because
Speaker 1: anybody who can do that can he would stand anything
Speaker 1: in life. I'm just yeah, there's no way I've asked
Speaker 1: for that Starbucks. It's like a Bible chocolates. If you
Speaker 1: go in there with that mentality, you never know what
Speaker 1: you're gonna again. And I have been happy ever since.
Speaker 1: It might be diabetes, so you're not careful. In the
Speaker 1: name of Jesus, I was staying like, don't let him
Speaker 1: put anything that girl. Well, now that you diagnosed me,
Speaker 1: next journey has a store for you. Miss Daisy, oh
Speaker 1: doctor days, this elimination, she coming back now. I did
Speaker 1: notice she didn't give you no chicken bones that's tea right,
Speaker 1: no turkey bones, she didn't give that to you, but
Speaker 1: she wins. Are you concerned that she'll have an issue
Speaker 1: with you for betraying her twice? Twice? And when I
Speaker 1: say twice, I mean once in the challenge because you
Speaker 1: know you can really helpe her like that, and the
Speaker 1: two you threw down somebody that she did not request.
Speaker 1: So how do you think she feels about you? And
Speaker 1: what do you plan to do moving forward? I'm not worried,
Speaker 1: not I don't think she can win, but I guess
Speaker 1: let me explain, explain. So it became like inconfessional, there's
Speaker 1: like a really big deal that we didn't work together
Speaker 1: and help her not lose this challenge essentially, but I
Speaker 1: think we all recognize that, like we didn't orchestrate this correctly, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we probably should have talked about a strategy, and we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about a strategy, so like we're not trying
Speaker 1: to I'm not going to talk about a strategy while
Speaker 1: I'm trying to win, like we should need It just
Speaker 1: makes no sense. She needed to lose. I mean, like
Speaker 1: a game she needed to lose. Yeah, But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying like, I don't think she was truly as upset
Speaker 1: with us as it seems like inconfessional, because we all
Speaker 1: recognize it, like, yeah, we screwed this up. We should
Speaker 1: have we should have talked about this, we came up
Speaker 1: with a game plan. I mean, not that they really
Speaker 1: allowed us to talk beforehand. You know, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you can't talk anyway, Um, I mean, but Angela
Speaker 1: and Alyssa managed to talk, but we didn't, So I
Speaker 1: don't think that. I don't think she saw that as
Speaker 1: betrayal necessarily, because then she you know, and then everybody
Speaker 1: would have betrayed her. I have a trader to Justine
Speaker 1: the trader. So I don't think that was as big
Speaker 1: of a deal. And I think that because this tea
Speaker 1: that y'all now know about, you know, passionalized past relationship.
Speaker 1: Everybody elserom the house already knew that tea, right, So okay,
Speaker 1: I think there was a part of like Sarah who
Speaker 1: understood mine, right, and then it wasn't just my soul choice.
Speaker 1: We all kind of also have seen the challenge. So yeah,
Speaker 1: there is that idea that like we can't disagree because
Speaker 1: there's no consequence for Danny, there's a major exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: and you'll already know that, like Cashi and I have
Speaker 1: never been friends, so it was easy to like use
Speaker 1: that as an excuse to throw her in. But you
Speaker 1: weren't betraying anyone. Yeah that ultimately for your own individual game,
Speaker 1: you weren't really betraying anything because you hadn't had this
Speaker 1: close relationship with Cash and because you're not the only
Speaker 1: one getting to make this vote. And clearly Danny is stubborn.
Speaker 1: I hope he's not like that in disagreements with Kiki.
Speaker 1: He I mean, I mean, no shade, no shade, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he runs the hell. Yeah, I believe she
Speaker 1: has shout out together. Um, yes she did, speaking of Danny,
Speaker 1: I know, we just we did just discussed, you know,
Speaker 1: how you're gonna be moving forward with Sarah. But you know,
Speaker 1: really sitting back realizing where you are in this game
Speaker 1: with the guys that we're in your alliance, Um, what
Speaker 1: can we expect to see as far as you're trying
Speaker 1: to get back in with them? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: or at least and from from where I stand, me
Speaker 1: agreeing to go along with who they wanted me to
Speaker 1: put into elimination was me saying like, I'm still with y'all.
Speaker 1: Otherwise Yeah, otherwise there would be no plan. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: like putting in cash kind of was like a winden
Speaker 1: situation for me because it was like, all right, you guys,
Speaker 1: I'm showing my allegiance to you. I'm now showing also
Speaker 1: of my allegiance to Ohissa and Angela. So is it
Speaker 1: Survivor Big Brother or the Fab Four? Where are we at?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of Survivor Fab Brother. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: in both. Yeah, I mean, and that's the way to
Speaker 1: do it, girl, Yeah, that is literally I'm with the
Speaker 1: Survivor guys. I'm with the Big Brother Girls, and I'm
Speaker 1: still with the path forward. That's good. That's a good
Speaker 1: place to be. I do have one another question for you,
Speaker 1: and I know we've kind of touched on this, but
Speaker 1: this also, I like cringed when I watched this because
Speaker 1: I felt for you. Um when you win, TJ like
Speaker 1: makes the announcement right, and you guys are standing out
Speaker 1: there on that field, that stadium, which seems so cool.
Speaker 1: By the way, it just looked visually cool. Yeah, before
Speaker 1: I get to my real question, was it super tiring
Speaker 1: doing that? Like, because a part of it looked easy
Speaker 1: and then the other part of it didn't. Like what
Speaker 1: how did that rank in terms of your favorite challenge dailies?
Speaker 1: Aside from yeah, I mean, ask someone who, like, you know,
Speaker 1: works out a lot, and I worked out thinking I
Speaker 1: was gonna have to like do some running on the challenge,
Speaker 1: and at this point we haven't had to do much physically.
Speaker 1: I was excited to like at least get to do
Speaker 1: something physical, Like there were a lot of challenges really
Speaker 1: but literally go to the challenge and then we go
Speaker 1: back to the house and then I work out. I
Speaker 1: ain't done nothing to day, so it was nice to
Speaker 1: like have a challenge where I felt like I actually
Speaker 1: got to work out, but it was it was pretty exhausting. Okay,
Speaker 1: how long did that challenge do you think last? Like,
Speaker 1: I know, you don't have watches and clocks and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. They sort of keep you frozen. But was
Speaker 1: it long or did it happen fairly quickly for everyone
Speaker 1: to get the pieces? If I had to guess, it
Speaker 1: was probably like an hour. Oh that's not too bad
Speaker 1: for challenge, but I don't feel like, Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: one of bark quicker daily challenges internally, and especially because
Speaker 1: we all ran it at the same time. How fast
Speaker 1: was the elimination because we saw when we saw Sarah quick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that looked fast. Was it as fast as it look
Speaker 1: because they had to run for a minute on those
Speaker 1: little wheels like those wheels, Yeah, it's probably, but it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe five minutes max for each round? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: five minutes max for each round? That's not that long
Speaker 1: at all? Quick? Yeah, I think the hard part was
Speaker 1: just getting it started for right, right, The hard part
Speaker 1: was getting started. But while I started, Yeah, she probably
Speaker 1: didn't figure out her like angle like you know, or
Speaker 1: her strategy was hard to know by her chance, My
Speaker 1: poor baby, she was, I know, I know it was.
Speaker 1: It was hard to watch, but also so ing the
Speaker 1: back too because we took a long route. But the
Speaker 1: question I'm gonna ask you when you're in that stadium
Speaker 1: and TJ and you win, and TJ says, you know
Speaker 1: when and then he's like Sarah, like we'll see you
Speaker 1: down elimination dada da, And she was like, I'm not scared,
Speaker 1: DESI has my back. I got yet, what please, what
Speaker 1: exactly were you feeling or thinking in that moment when
Speaker 1: she said that in front of everybody so confidently. I
Speaker 1: mean again, I've never understood trying to play a round game,
Speaker 1: Like why why why would you announce that? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think everybody knew, like, well, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know people even like perceive Sarah and I being
Speaker 1: that close at this point. So yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: why would you say that? Like you probably to have
Speaker 1: more poll in this decision if you would have done
Speaker 1: it quietly. But like whatever, Sarah, I mean, she said,
Speaker 1: definitely has my back, and I know she's gonna give
Speaker 1: me who I want. I said, oh no, oh no,
Speaker 1: oh my god. The delusion this episode the delusion, I
Speaker 1: mean I can yeah, yeah, because also, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: she she Also I don't know if she knew how
Speaker 1: post Danny and me, Danny and Dom were like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah, there were a lot of components.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, what's Sarah y'all feel like watching
Speaker 1: the show? She's getting a huge wake up call. We
Speaker 1: need her on the podcast. It's she's a huge wake
Speaker 1: up call seeing confessionals and different things like that. And
Speaker 1: maybe it's like with her watching herself right now, like
Speaker 1: what is going Yeah, that'd be interesting. But truthfully, I
Speaker 1: actually love Sarah as a person, so it is like
Speaker 1: she's it is hard to watch her on TV because
Speaker 1: I'm like, the world won't hate her, but I personally
Speaker 1: really like Sarah, Like she's probably one of the people
Speaker 1: on postest with from the game post game, but her
Speaker 1: in the game. Yeah, what's the biggest difference from her
Speaker 1: in the game. And to be clear, we don't dislike
Speaker 1: Sarah because we don't know her, we've never met her.
Speaker 1: We are just only we're only commenting on as viewers,
Speaker 1: and which is all you can do. Yeah, what what
Speaker 1: would you say is the biggest difference between the Sarah
Speaker 1: that we see in this game, and like the Sarah
Speaker 1: that you've come to know and love outside of the
Speaker 1: Challenge House. I think what is not shown is like
Speaker 1: Sarah has a great sense of humor. She's very easy
Speaker 1: to talk to. She's fun like, she's fun loving. She's
Speaker 1: kind of like she's really like a kid at heart.
Speaker 1: She's literally like a big kid. She's always like looping
Speaker 1: around and like doing pranks. And she and Kayla created
Speaker 1: like a dance like Cashe and Justine were a dance
Speaker 1: team and then Sarah and Kayla were dance team. They
Speaker 1: come like these dance battles back and forth. So like
Speaker 1: Sarah's like she's fun, like, she's just a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: A love that she's loyalist. I appreciate that about her.
Speaker 1: And she's just like a straight shooter, Like she's like
Speaker 1: she's gonna stay this on her mind and you have
Speaker 1: to figure out like is that a joke or is
Speaker 1: it not a joke. But yes, she's just fun to
Speaker 1: be around. But you don't get to see that in
Speaker 1: the game because she's also obviously super competitive. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's all you see. It's super competitive, and you know
Speaker 1: she and ticson are very similar and that they like
Speaker 1: to talk about how competitive they are. I wish we
Speaker 1: could see that side of her. I know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish too, because I mean they were it was entertaining. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's she's almos. Shout out to Sarah for having that side,
Speaker 1: not to you come on the podcast, but we like
Speaker 1: we like that she has that side. Um. Something else
Speaker 1: that we really like, DESI is this little game that
Speaker 1: we call pick your Poison. Um. We have three fan
Speaker 1: questions that were sent to us using our hashtag asked
Speaker 1: Shung's USA. One is from Twitter, one is from Instagram,
Speaker 1: and one is from reddy Now. They range from boring
Speaker 1: you know what is your nail color? To extra juicy
Speaker 1: although you've been given us some real juicy stuff. Girl,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. I'm like, should I have said less?
Speaker 1: But no, girl, always say more, always say more on
Speaker 1: this podcast. But we're not going to tell you which
Speaker 1: question is like the juicy one and which one is
Speaker 1: the sort of chill boring one. You just have to
Speaker 1: pick your poison. So which question would you like to answer?
Speaker 1: One from someone on Twitter, one from someone on Instagram,
Speaker 1: or one from someone on Reddit. Um, I mean I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go with I'm an Instagram girl myself.
Speaker 1: I don't really use the Twitters and reddits it's a
Speaker 1: whole other world I can't quite figure out. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with Instagram day. You want to take this one, yes,
Speaker 1: but before I do, a girl just ask to let
Speaker 1: you know Twitter loves you. Come and visit us sometimes. Okay,
Speaker 1: Dabon's the mayor, she's the mayor. I just like can't
Speaker 1: keep up like Twitter. I just can't kick you up
Speaker 1: like TikTok. I also can't keep up. I'm like how
Speaker 1: ya twenty five times a day himself. But I will
Speaker 1: come visit. I will come visit. The Twitters, yes, we
Speaker 1: love you. So if the gram wants to know, did
Speaker 1: Danny talk about Kiki that much inside of the house,
Speaker 1: m I will say, we certainly all knew Danny's wife's name, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like you never had referred to Danny's wife
Speaker 1: as name's wife because he's like, oh Kiki. Um, So
Speaker 1: I don't think it's was quite as white. It wasn't
Speaker 1: in every conversation necessarily, But I mean, the man loves
Speaker 1: his wife, and that is a level of love. That
Speaker 1: he all is there to love. We do love love.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna let y'all know in this house.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let the viewers know I'm in that production. No,
Speaker 1: I'm in the TJ know. I was married and I
Speaker 1: was happy. Right. And her name is Kiki. Don't forget it,
Speaker 1: he shout out, because you know we love you over here. Girl. Yes,
Speaker 1: shout out to Kiki. She's a good time. Yes, And
Speaker 1: you have also been a good time on this podcast.
Speaker 1: Is it's so fun. Thank you for being unfiltered, share
Speaker 1: it all and providing some color and context, because especially
Speaker 1: as these episodes we get down to the wire in
Speaker 1: the final there's just so much that we don't know
Speaker 1: that you guys have experienced in that house that we
Speaker 1: want to know. So we appreciate you shedding light on
Speaker 1: these secret alliances and conversations that are happening and just
Speaker 1: the dynamics of everything because it helps put into context
Speaker 1: choices that were made and how things play out the
Speaker 1: way that they did. And it's just it's really great.
Speaker 1: You've been so much fun, girl. We love it. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you for having Yank with us, thank you for
Speaker 1: having me And I just want to say, like I
Speaker 1: do I intend to for shade necessarily, but I do
Speaker 1: feel like I have to like to speak my truth. Yes,
Speaker 1: I always takes that personally. I think if I throw shaded,
Speaker 1: me like I don't take a personally. So I hope
Speaker 1: I mean a little fun shade, you know, like a
Speaker 1: little light, palm tree shade is always good, right, No,
Speaker 1: it's fun, like it's a good you know, a little light.
Speaker 1: Everybody look, we day and I throw shade at breakfast, lunch, everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: every yeah, all the time. We playfully do it with
Speaker 1: each other. We do it to ourselves, like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's we No one is perfect in the world and
Speaker 1: on this show, in this game, any of that. So
Speaker 1: being able to laugh at it, it's kind of like funny.
Speaker 1: But as viewers, I just know we all really appreciate
Speaker 1: getting an inside you know, it's cool to watch. The
Speaker 1: challenge is epic and legendary, both the main show and
Speaker 1: this show, and hopefully some of y'all get to compete
Speaker 1: against the main cast because that'll be real fun to watch.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we appreciate just getting a peek behind the
Speaker 1: curtains of everything that's happening. Now if everybody wants to
Speaker 1: follow up and either hear more shade from you or
Speaker 1: if they want to know more about what you're doing
Speaker 1: or you know, workout routines, whatever it is. Where can
Speaker 1: they find you on social DESI yes, I would. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely most active on Instagram. Instagram's Desy Jay Williams. I
Speaker 1: created a TikTok but it's kind of drive over there,
Speaker 1: but you try following me. It's doctor DESI j Williams
Speaker 1: on TikTok and maybe I'll try out Twitter and I'm
Speaker 1: it's it's just Jay Williams. I mean, Davon could probably
Speaker 1: get you a city council teat on Twitter because she's
Speaker 1: the mayor. So you just I feel like first I
Speaker 1: need a tutorial first, Like what are we supposed to
Speaker 1: do here? Like, come with me, girl, and I'll take
Speaker 1: I'll show you to town, I'll show you. Yes. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, Deniel. I'm so glad you came because
Speaker 1: your name has been mentioned a lot throughout this season,
Speaker 1: you know, on and off the show, and I'm so
Speaker 1: glad that you came and you were open and transparent
Speaker 1: and just told us your side of the stories with
Speaker 1: an us and I just you know, I appreciate it,
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate you, all will appreciate you. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Jessy. We are rooting for you to
Speaker 1: see how things play out. Girl. All I know is
Speaker 1: if Angela does make it to the final, which let's
Speaker 1: be honest, is looking like you will, you still better
Speaker 1: cross that starting line. You better dope, just stand there
Speaker 1: and go U So yes, A hundred percent rooting for
Speaker 1: you and can't wait to see how things turn out.
Speaker 1: Thank you, says that was such a great interview with DESI.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I'm so glad she came to hang
Speaker 1: out with us. I learned so much spelling tea, coffee, chicken, hele,
Speaker 1: soup and everything Dinnes. Yes girl, yes girl, Oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that she came to hang
Speaker 1: out with us, and I love that she was open
Speaker 1: and honest. You know, she was concerned about spelling too
Speaker 1: much tea, but as we got to talk, she just
Speaker 1: let it flow in La rolling any such things, spelling
Speaker 1: too much tea? There is not so dead man, sister girl.
Speaker 1: Sister girl, where can do people find you on the socials?
Speaker 1: Everywhere and nowhere? Because I'm so busy? No, they can
Speaker 1: find me unsocial at Devin Smoan that's seven with the wife,
Speaker 1: smoth and eye. On Twitter, Davon's Twitter that is that's
Speaker 1: Devin with the white more than I and on TikTok
Speaker 1: that's Devin Underscore, simone. I have a YouTube channels too,
Speaker 1: and as much as crap as I give you about
Speaker 1: your Davon, I haven't posted on mine in like eight years.
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