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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barria, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Day, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Beck coming soon to Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's are alive on a Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Brown's Daily. I am merely bo Jerrod on the

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Speaker 2: other side of the screen today downtown, of course, at

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Speaker 2: the Glacial Good Karma Studios downtown. Gibby and I continue

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Speaker 2: to be at the undisclosed location on the west side

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Speaker 2: of Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Rod.

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Speaker 4: How you living, Buddy. I am living well, my man.

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Speaker 4: It is a sunny day, Bot. So you'll get no

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Speaker 4: complaints whatsoever out of me, because, as you know, in

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Speaker 4: Northeast Ohio, heck, any part of Ohio, you take these

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Speaker 4: days and you embrace them.

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Speaker 2: You gupe them up. Brother. I mean, we've had it's

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Speaker 2: been a good run. Like Saturday morning rainy, but other

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Speaker 2: than that, it's been a good run for about ten

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Speaker 2: days I think where we've had a nice stretch.

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Speaker 3: I'm told it's supposed to last through June first, really,

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Speaker 3: which would take us Well.

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Speaker 2: Then you're good. Then then you're through summer. At that point,

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Speaker 2: you're in summer. Yeah, you're not going to get fifties

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Speaker 2: anymore in June, I.

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Speaker 3: Would hope not. Yeah, that's I think it's going to

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Speaker 3: be a little chilly on Thursday, like it might be

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Speaker 3: around sixty, low sixties, but then it's right back up

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Speaker 4: You see. I need that to last a Thursday, because

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Speaker 4: God willing, my daughter who's running track right now, she

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Speaker 4: has the regions coming up this this week, gets past that,

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Speaker 4: then we got State and then the next thing you

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Speaker 4: know is what it is?

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Speaker 2: Well, where's so regional? Where's the regional? Where's the regional meet?

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Speaker 4: It's going to be outside of Youngstown. I've been basically

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Speaker 4: past three weeks.

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Speaker 2: And state is state still?

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Speaker 4: Jesse Ellens, Yes, it is. Yes, it is nice.

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Speaker 2: Nice and that that's a nice time because Gerard, I

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Speaker 2: apologize for this. I was at US Sports on Friday

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Speaker 2: when I got the news of Jim Brown's passing. Were

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Speaker 2: you on air when the news came out on Friday?

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Speaker 4: Yes, we, like anyone else and everyone else, we had

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Speaker 4: a show plan, a run down and everything else. In

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Speaker 4: Jim Brown's passing superseded that. So we shifted gears and

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Speaker 4: went to that and pretty much spent their entirety of

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Speaker 4: the show discussing his legacy, what he represents, and what

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Speaker 4: he means to Cleveland, what he meant to us on

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Speaker 4: a personal level, and things of that nature. So, yes,

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Speaker 4: we were on air breaking news and it was broke.

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Speaker 2: What did you what did? What did he mean to you?

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Speaker 2: As a player?

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Speaker 4: Great question, bo, And from a player perspective, what he

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Speaker 4: So you saw an offensive player that had the mentality

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Speaker 4: It's about attacking. It's about getting after someone and making

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Speaker 4: what I saw on film that Hey, if you put

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Speaker 4: Jim Brown in the eighties, nineties, two thousand's guess what

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Speaker 2: Joe said, well, I'm gonna hold that for a second.

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Speaker 2: We talked yesterday about it, and you know, his his

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Speaker 2: that is I don't know that. You know, we're in

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Speaker 2: tough times now in terms of tumultuous times, but go

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Speaker 2: What did his his being out front on that? How

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Speaker 2: aware of that were you when you played in the league.

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Speaker 2: How aware of that were you as you were coming up?

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Speaker 4: And it was against the law exactly, and so Jim

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Speaker 4: doing that. Because again, you're right, bo, our country still

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Speaker 4: has a long way to go, but we've gone somewhere

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Speaker 4: in regards to race relations, if you want to call that.

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Speaker 4: And the difference is within our country, in our society,

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Speaker 4: But for him to say, you know what, Muhammad Ali,

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Speaker 4: that and at that time it was either called color

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Speaker 4: that's that's of greater significance if you will, of what

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Speaker 4: and I'm gonna go out there and claim and get

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things that what he did off

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Speaker 4: Well that's the challenge, and yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's what puts it into perspective, right, Like it's like

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Speaker 2: How was that something was Brown discussed when you were

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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't specifically recall him talking about Jim Brown.

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Speaker 4: I don't recall him ever coming to our facility and

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Speaker 4: as Jim Brown's concerned, I had the opportunity to interact

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Speaker 2: That's right. So I'm like, well in our city or

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Speaker 4: for the National Football Foundation in College Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: And for some reason, I don't know why, I guess

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Speaker 4: I was expressing my individuality. I had on a polka

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Speaker 4: So mister Brown sees me and I'm walking by, like,

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Speaker 4: walked away from experience like, thank you, sir for giving

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Speaker 4: to be that a guy who's gonna hold peop accountable.

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Speaker 4: It has to be in each position group that you

435
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Speaker 4: have someone and then that they converge and say this

436
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 4: is the template for how we're gonna interact and behave

437
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Speaker 4: as a defense and on special teams, because generally speaking,

438
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Speaker 4: most of the guys that are on defense that aren't

439
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 4: playing as a starter are on special teams that really

440
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Speaker 4: didn't take place last year. So there's definitely gotta be

441
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Speaker 4: a situation where guys not only lead by example, but

442
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Speaker 4: hold each other accountable that when guys aren't doing their job,

443
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Speaker 4: that you let it be known that this is not

444
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Speaker 4: going to be tolerated. And the best way to do

445
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Speaker 4: that is to empower guys who are doing things the

446
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Speaker 4: right way and also saying that, hey, I don't care

447
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 4: if you are highly compensated, you need to do the

448
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Speaker 4: things the right way as well. And once you start

449
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Speaker 4: having that dynamic take place within your locker room, then

450
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Speaker 4: you start winning. Because I could tell you both, I

451
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Speaker 4: play special teams in New England and that was my

452
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Speaker 4: primary role. But if I had an issue with someone

453
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Speaker 4: who's a quote unquote star like a Tie Law or

454
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Speaker 4: William mcginnison. I thought they were loafing. I had a

455
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Speaker 4: liberty d to say something to them and it would

456
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Speaker 4: be supportive. It was true, and that's what your type

457
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Speaker 4: of locker room ultimately you want to get to.

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Speaker 2: When I think of this time of year for this,

459
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is very critical because you're talking about.

460
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Speaker 2: What you're talking about is building a brotherhood m hm.

461
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Speaker 2: Which what comes from that is accountability and trust and

462
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Speaker 2: all the most important things of beating a team. Let's

463
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Speaker 2: be honest, there's not that much difference. If there's ten

464
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Speaker 2: teams in the AFC that can win a Super Bowl,

465
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Speaker 2: the difference is a razor thin margin with most of

466
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Speaker 2: them in terms of the overall talent exactly. And we're

467
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Speaker 2: lucky enough to be in that mix. But guess what,

468
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Speaker 2: as many as five teams who wake up every morning

469
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Speaker 2: and go, we can win the Super Bowl are going

470
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Speaker 2: to miss the playoffs in the AFC. So the margin

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Speaker 2: will depend on trust and accountability and all of that

472
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Speaker 2: type of stuff. Belief. Belief is powerful, man, and so

473
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Speaker 2: all of that stuff has to be built. Desire, absolutely,

474
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Speaker 2: all of that stuff's got to be built. It's got

475
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Speaker 2: to be built right now. But then there's the functional

476
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Speaker 2: stuff girod. We are putting in and learning a new

477
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: defense that is happening right that has to happen right

478
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Speaker 2: now to where you hit the ground running by the

479
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Speaker 2: time you get to late July and you're down at

480
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Speaker 2: the Greenbrier. And the third thing is offensively, there will

481
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Speaker 2: be nuance added to this offense because you now know

482
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Speaker 2: what Deshaun Watson is comfortable in and what he's comfortable

483
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Speaker 2: doing within this offense. Right this offense, hey, breaking news,

484
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Speaker 2: is going to be built around Watson's strengths. That's what

485
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Speaker 2: it's built on, and that's going to be different than

486
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Speaker 2: the offense that was built around Baker Mayfield and the

487
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 2: offense last year we played primarily for Jacoby Brissett. So

488
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Speaker 2: those are monumental things let alone, and let's not ignore

489
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Speaker 2: this part. We have a new special teams coordinator. So

490
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Speaker 2: that's all three phases and the most important off the

491
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Speaker 2: field big picture stuff that all has to be done

492
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Speaker 2: right now. So yeah, you're not overselling it when you

493
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Speaker 2: say critical, critical stuff right now.

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Speaker 4: Right and we know from experience you can have continuity

495
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Speaker 4: in it not work. Last year, the defense was a

496
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Speaker 4: perfect example of just that and that that defense. Let's

497
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Speaker 4: just be frank and fear about the situation. They did

498
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Speaker 4: not take a step forward. They were a towned group

499
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Speaker 4: of individuals that didn't play like a collective. It's really

500
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Speaker 4: that simple. And if you have a new guy in

501
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 4: sports here, the goal has to be one You guys

502
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Speaker 4: gotta play with some purpose and some intensity, and you

503
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Speaker 4: can't make critical mistakes on a regular basis. You just

504
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Speaker 4: can't win doing those things. So if you solve those

505
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Speaker 4: problems right there, because ultimately both cover three is cover three,

506
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Speaker 4: Cover four is cover four. Man on man as man

507
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Speaker 4: on man, dog bliss is a dog blitz, and all

508
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 4: those verbages that we use in order to describe what

509
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Speaker 4: we're gonna do, they are going to be different. But

510
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Speaker 4: ultimately it's about being on the same damn page and

511
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Speaker 4: making sure that you're communicating with your teammates. And again,

512
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 4: it's not just about collecting a pay check, but you

513
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 4: actually want to win. And that's the hardest part about

514
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Speaker 4: pro sports. I don't care what the sport is. Getting

515
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Speaker 4: guys to buy into the idea that they're not just

516
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Speaker 4: playing for the money, and there's nothing wrong with playing

517
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Speaker 4: for your livelihood. I'll never talk down on that, but

518
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Speaker 4: if you want to take that next step, you have

519
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Speaker 4: to identify, employ and keep guys who are saying, you know,

520
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Speaker 4: what we want more than what we're gonna get in

521
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Speaker 4: our bank account come Tuesday or Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: And for a lot of our guys, they are either

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Speaker 2: in the middle of They're either in the middle of

525
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Speaker 2: or the beginning or starting to. Most of them are

526
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Speaker 2: in the middle of their prime. Like football, mortality starts

527
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Speaker 2: to sneak up on you quickly. Now when you talk

528
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Speaker 2: about once you've reached your prime, right and you've been paid,

529
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Speaker 2: there ought to be a sense of urgency around this

530
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Speaker 2: group and you sense it that it is time to

531
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Speaker 2: absolutely go. Speaking of going, we now know that Zadarius

532
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Speaker 2: Smith will wear number ninety nine, so we have that.

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Speaker 2: So that's a number swap. Is that Alex Right going

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Speaker 2: to ninety one?

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Speaker 3: Do I have that right?

536
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Speaker 2: Wasn't Alex right ninety nine?

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Speaker 3: I believe he was.

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Speaker 2: I want to say they did.

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Speaker 3: They did release his updated number.

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Speaker 4: Was there any transactions involved in that?

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Speaker 3: That's who's gonna get a box? Would say Rolex on

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Speaker 3: it during their prescott I.

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Speaker 4: Don't know what rookie glow second, your player gonna get that.

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Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: That might just be someone going to Alex and saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're ninety one now, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the league. Rook right, Roddy McCleod twenty six,

548
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Speaker 3: Isaiah McGuire fifty seven, Chris Westry forty nine, Alex Right

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Speaker 3: ninety one. So there you go.

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Speaker 2: So Wright went to ninety one, So does Zidarius would

551
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Speaker 2: wear ninety nine. So that's the way that that went.

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Speaker 2: And I know that.

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Speaker 3: I think McGuire switched from ninety one to fifty seven,

554
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Speaker 3: so it was a two prong Yeah, there was a

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Speaker 3: multi multiplayer trade involved there.

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Speaker 4: Well, has no one ever had like sixty seven? That's like,

557
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Speaker 4: who's like the best number? Sixty seven? I always wonder

558
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Speaker 4: about that.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you the one that's the hardest because

560
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Speaker 2: my oldest was given this number last year in youth football, Gerrod,

561
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Speaker 2: he was given forty six. Oh that's a route I went.

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Speaker 2: I go, boy, because I got an answer for all.

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Speaker 3: I go, I go.

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Speaker 2: I got almost it's probably a reflection on me. I said,

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Speaker 2: I got an answer. I got a pretty good uniform.

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Speaker 2: You know, in my uniform number, I can identify a

567
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Speaker 2: player who wore a number who was cool forty six. Man,

568
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: it was like Tim McDonald, do you remember having the

569
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Speaker 2: set due in Arizona?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he and then San Francisco he wore forty six.

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Speaker 2: But it's a short list, brother, forty six is tough.

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Speaker 2: I mean, almost anything else you could I could come

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Speaker 2: up with.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think that that's his name was Kendall Gammon.

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Speaker 4: He was our long snapper. I'm consistent. I think he

577
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 4: wore forty six. I could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: Most NFL number, it's usually a long snapper number in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. Yeah, forty six is like nobody, everybody steers

580
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Speaker 2: clear of it. So that's forty six is tough, absolutely tough.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of and Gibbe, you'll appreciate this, Uh, Gerrod humor

583
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Speaker 2: me with this. So what our great friend mister who

584
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Speaker 2: typically is on the show. One of his great pet

585
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Speaker 2: peeves is there are people who tried to contact him

586
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 2: as our show is beginning, and he's always like, I

587
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Speaker 2: continue to do that.

588
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 3: Wife, send me a text at one oh five, I

589
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: was like, hey, do you remember what time it is?

590
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: So guess who do so? But that's the sweet missus Gibby,

591
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: So that's fine. So guess who sends us an email

592
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: at one o'clock today? Doctor z so Zigura's SIM card

593
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: died in that's karma.

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00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: Maybe you should.

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Speaker 2: I can't I get text or call, I cant imsag,

596
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: I'll send a test to me. So sure enough, he

597
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: did send a test to me. I can tell you,

598
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Speaker 2: Zee that it works. Your whatever you're doing, it works.

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Speaker 2: Is he two hours behind? Yeah? Probably part I think

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Speaker 2: it's got to be probably two hours. I've never been there.

601
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's East coast or west coast

602
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Speaker 2: of Mexico. I don't know if it's I would assume it's.

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Speaker 2: Is it okay, it's gotta.

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Speaker 3: Boat it's it's two hours behind.

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00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: So it's oh it's mountain time, mountain time. Okay, it's

606
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Speaker 2: mountain time. So I wonder either way. It came exactly

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Speaker 2: at one o'clock. Shout out, pretty good, well done. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's that's a good job out of him. Uh, lots

609
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Speaker 2: to get to. We got some big news. We talked

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Speaker 2: a lot about special teams. We had it with yesterday

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Speaker 2: with abother van trone. We've got some big news on

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Speaker 2: special teams going to be played. A lot coming out

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Speaker 2: of these league meetings in terms of flexing games, in

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Speaker 2: terms of Super Bowl locations, NFL Draft locations. We'll get

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Speaker 2: into all of that. It's all coming up next. We're

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Speaker 2: a lot in these league meetings to unpack. So I

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Speaker 2: think that the biggest thing to me that is coming

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Speaker 2: out of this in terms of how it will impact

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Speaker 2: the game, and I'll get to the flex thing in

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Speaker 2: a second. I think it's this fair catch rule, Gerrod.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about this is the college rule

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Speaker 2: where anytime the ball is kicked, you know, in the

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Speaker 2: field of play in advance of the end zone, but

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Speaker 2: behind the twenty five yard line, you can fair catch

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Speaker 2: it and you get it at the twenty five and

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Speaker 2: special teams coordinators around the league wanted no part of it.

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00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: The NFL said, actually, we're gonna do this anyway, regardless

635
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Speaker 2: of what you think, and from what some of the

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Speaker 2: owners actually push back as well. And I'm guessing this is,

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Speaker 2: you know, under the umbrella of player safety as a

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00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: as a air quote, and maybe that's true or not.

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Speaker 2: This is a fundamental change to the way that the

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00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: game is played Roud, And I do wonder if it is,

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Speaker 2: you know, kind of a gateway ruling into getting ready

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Speaker 2: to kickoffs entirely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly is going down that path, because let

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Speaker 4: me take everyone back in time. I play in the

645
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: era where they had this thing called bust the wedge,

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Speaker 4: and your job was to run a forty to fifty

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Speaker 4: sixty yard sprit full speed into three to four linemen

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Speaker 4: who all weighed three hundred something pounds or more and

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Speaker 4: break it up bam. Collisions were like no other in

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Speaker 4: that situation. Now, some serious gladiator sports stuff going on

651
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 4: that right there alone was gonna cause you one concussion

652
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 4: in the course of a game, just on that experience.

653
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: So what they're doing now is totally about that. Because

654
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 4: the kickoff is extremely dangerous when you think about it,

655
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: is guys for the most part running full speed four

656
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: three four four four five runners right with mass running

657
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: full speed. So yes, they found a great way to

658
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: limit the amount of fool speed distance contact collisions. So

659
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: it makes all of sense in the world now from

660
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: a strategy standpoint. That's gonna be the interesting nuance with it,

661
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 4: because we already know the statistics show that when you

662
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 4: get the ball to twenty five as opposed to the

663
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 4: five to ten fifteen twenty yard line, there's an outcome

664
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: that's definitely in a favor of the offense scoring as

665
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: opposed a not.

666
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I think fundamentally so, I clearly

667
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: did not have to do what you did. I'm not

668
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: breaking up wedges, So I can't even imagine what that

669
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: was like that had to be. I mean, that's wrap

670
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: your head around that. It's hard the idea that you

671
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: were asked to do that type of stuff. The kickoff

672
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: is one of the most thrilling things in the game, right,

673
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: I mean is we had Bubba Ventron on here yesterday

674
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: and I was asking him, like, there are a few

675
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: things that create the pop in a building, like a

676
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 2: kick return touchdown, right, Like, there is a noise that

677
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: comes with that that is different or a punt return touchdown,

678
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: a punt block, but specifically the two returns, the punt

679
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: kick return touchdowns, they're becoming more and more scarce because

680
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: the rule changes to the game already. I do this

681
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: so selfishly in terms of watching the sport. I will

682
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: miss the thrill that comes with a kick return because

683
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't think you're gonna get many. This is just

684
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: too good of a thing. You're gonna see what happens

685
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: in college, which is I don't know. I have no idea.

686
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: If the stats are my feeling. My guess is on college,

687
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: ninety percent of them end up with a fair catch

688
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: of the balls at the twenty five. You almost never

689
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: see a kick return in college. Right, That's what will

690
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: happen here.

691
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 4: Right, And you're right too, because it does take an element.

692
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 4: It's a tone center at least from a playing standpoint.

693
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 4: All Right, we're about to go out here and we're

694
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: gonna start the game and let them know that we're

695
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: about business. And when you make that tackle inside of

696
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: tenor if you have an opening kickoff, it completely not

697
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: doesn't guarantee you'll win, but it certainly sends a message

698
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 4: to the opposing team what you're about today, So that

699
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: element will be taken out. But I get it. In

700
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 4: the effort to create more safety, this is what we're doing.

701
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: It makes all the sense in the world because if

702
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 4: you're gonna promote and I know it's an oxymoron or paradox,

703
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: however you want to put it to say, on a

704
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: sport that still requires collision and physical play, to say

705
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: you're worrying about safety, but at least they're doing some measures,

706
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 4: because believe me, what I used to go through bow

707
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: was borderline torture.

708
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's crazy when you put it in that perspective.

709
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: I do wonder if it. I mean, do we really

710
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: need kickers anymore.

711
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: Outside of the field goal? No? If you think about it, okay,

712
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: but do we even need those? Well you if you,

713
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: if I, if I understand what you're saying. The idea

714
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: of just creating a situation where two point conversions maybe

715
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 4: one conversion depending on say you can all the five

716
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: yard line. Sure, but then again, that excitement, that last second,

717
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 4: how do you get the drama of it? I literally

718
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: won three Super Bowls bo that came down to last

719
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: second field goals.

720
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at two of them, So.

721
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 4: That drama right there. I don't know how you replace

722
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: that either, because there's something about that that's poignant and

723
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: in the moment, and it's just a great setup for TV.

724
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: Well, the strategy would change, obviously, right like you, That's

725
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: how it would change, like you, just you'd coach it.

726
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: You would strategize it entirely differently. But that's really all

727
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: that you're hanging on too at this point, because you

728
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: you don't need to even do the kickoff anymore. You'll

729
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: just handle them the ball at the twenty five and

730
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: let's go.

731
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 3: I think the only reason why you need the kickoffs

732
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: is so you could take your TV network timeout.

733
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: Right yeah, this is changing that.

734
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 3: Otherwise that yeah, yeah, Otherwise there's no reason to do it.

735
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: And outside of us last year, nobody, everybody else can

736
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: recover an on side kick, right pause. I mean, like

737
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: that's it's almost never that that doesn't go in your

738
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 2: favor rather than you know, obviously what we saw last year.

739
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

740
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: I I do wonder if they're just inching inching closer

741
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: to just eliminating the play entirely. So we'll see about that.

742
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: But they're going to do that on a one year

743
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 2: trial run against the witches of special teams. Coaches and

744
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: against many of the owners felt the same way, actually.

745
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 4: And it gives the guys who makes a kickoff returns.

746
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 3: Sure, that's a job. Go on.

747
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: Well, Cordurell Patterson's record is going to stand forever.

748
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: Now.

749
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 2: You'll never see that thing touched because guys just aren't

750
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 2: going to return it. We also have the NFL owners

751
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: approving a modified proposal for flexing Thursday night football games.

752
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: The restrictions are pretty significant, and that's why I don't

753
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: think this is quite as big a deal as maybe

754
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: I thought initially this morning. It only applies two weeks

755
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: thirteen through seventeen. It's a maximum of two flexes per season.

756
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: Twenty eight days. Notice that's the key. Twenty eight eight days,

757
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 2: no notice, right, that's so far out right. Eighteen week yeah, yeah, man,

758
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: twenty eight days is crazy. The NFLPA was strongly against it,

759
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: so the games that would be affected. One of our

760
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 2: games is in it. It's the Jets game is in it.

761
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: It's I'm gonna try to do this off a memory.

762
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: It's Dallas and Seattle. It's San Francisco, San Francisco and somebody.

763
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: The only one I looked at it it's five games.

764
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: The only one to me that looked like there was

765
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: a chance that you'd flex out of with twenty eight

766
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: days no this barring injury or something was the Rams

767
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: and the Saints. So the third to last one is

768
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: the Rams and the Saints, and I could see that

769
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: being one that would.

770
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 3: Flight Cowboys, Patriots, Steelers.

771
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not flexing out of that, Chargers.

772
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: Raiders, okay, Saints, Rams and US.

773
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, US and the Jets. So I think the only

774
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 2: one of those that flex aboutable would be Saints, and.

775
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: You sure you went flex out of Patriots Steelers.

776
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: It continues to be the New England Patriots and the

777
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers and those brands. No, those are no huge

778
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: fan bases, like.

779
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: What if Kenny Pickett sucks, which Hoping and Matt Jones is.

780
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: But Pittsburgh's like Pittsburgh is like us on steroids and

781
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: that you know, you know what our ratings are like.

782
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: They're like that, except more so, like you know, they

783
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: are everywhere that that Steeler nation is everywhere they rate

784
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: no matter what I know, but I.

785
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 4: Just I'm yeah. I met a guy a couple of

786
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 4: weeks ago in West Palm Beach, Florida, and he's like, yeah,

787
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 4: I hear you work for the Browns and do some

788
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 4: stuff for him. Like, yeah, I do. Yeah, I'm a

789
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 4: Steelers fan. I was like, well, how that happen? It's

790
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: from Mexico, he said. At some point Mexico decided to

791
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: just take the broadcast of section of Mexico, like northern Mexico.

792
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 4: And I thought this was Dallas Cowboy territory, right, because

793
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: it's so close to Texas. He's like, nah, actually we

794
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 4: have a huge Pittsburgh Steeler population because that was the

795
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: only games that on a regular basis was getting viewed

796
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: in Mexico. Now how that worked itself out, I don't know,

797
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 4: but I thought it was fascinating that of all the

798
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: teams they chose to represent in that area of I

799
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 4: want to say, a Sonora farm the state of Mexico,

800
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: that they chose Pittsburgh Steelers. I thought it was fascinating.

801
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: I can I can actually confirm this and add to it,

802
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: my good friend and our good friend, Reagan berubi up

803
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 3: with the Steelers. He used to be here a long

804
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 3: way back when they're streaming numbers in Mexico top any

805
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: team anywhere else in the world, really by almost a

806
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: three to one margin. Wow, Like, do.

807
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: You think it's as simple as maybe at that time

808
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: when they were trying to establish the Steelers were good,

809
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: so it was just really easy. I mean, they won

810
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: a couple of Super Bowls during you know, in the

811
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: last twenty years, and especially in the twenty tens. You know,

812
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: they had those two super Bowl wins, and they were

813
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: always in the mix. And if you're going to try

814
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: to get somebody to fall in love with a sport,

815
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: it's best if you give them one team to root

816
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 2: for who is good. That helps, you know. I wonder

817
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 2: if that was it.

818
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 3: They've had to bring in. So they do a Spanish

819
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: broadcast and I think it's I think they actually do

820
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: it on Facebook. Okay that they call it, but they

821
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 3: stay back home. I feel like this is a couple

822
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 3: of years ago he told me this, Like they had

823
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 3: to bring in fiber lines because their their system kept

824
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 3: crashing because the number of people listening online.

825
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: Form that's crazy.

826
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like their numbers are through the roof, he said,

827
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: it is. It is a money making machine.

828
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't think you flex out of that

829
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: because they have Amazon and Saints.

830
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah that's the one, because that's nice and trackh.

831
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: And with twenty eight days notice, like you're having to

832
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: project way out. So I don't think that's going to

833
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 2: have much of an impact.

834
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: Let's see if we look ram Saints Week sixteen. I mean, well,

835
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: you're not going to move to Saturday games. You might

836
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: not be able to move anything because that's Christmas, even Christmas.

837
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: Day, That's what I'm saying, Like, I just don't think

838
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: that that it let alone, you couple that with a

839
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 2: twenty eight day notice, it's hard to imagine you're going

840
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: to be able.

841
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: To Yeah, I mean maybe Lions Vikings that can move

842
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: to Thursday sounds. You have to move, like one of

843
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: the Sunday Christmas Eve is Denver, New England.

844
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: Is Christmas Eve on a Sunday. This year it is.

845
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: We'll be in Houston. We'll get home about ten o'clock.

846
00:40:58,560 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 3: We have been a Christmas Eve.

847
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 4: I could deal with this Christmas evil and a Sunday,

848
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: but definitely not a phantom New Year's Evil. A Sunday.

849
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: This don't feel right going out to a club on

850
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 4: a Sunday night. No, that's a whole other story.

851
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you on that. So, uh, the

852
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: other things coming out today. We had the twenty twenty

853
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: five draft will be held in Green Bay. I you

854
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: guys have been there. I have not. If I mean,

855
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: is there a place there where they could put a

856
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: roof if they needed to it?

857
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: There's an arena across the street that they don't want

858
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: to do. I don't know how many people fitting in

859
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: an arena they want to amphitheater. Jeram Bay got the draft.

860
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 4: What are they going to have him Appleton Green Bay?

861
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem. Like it's it's strictly a weather

862
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: like the weather in late April. You can have a.

863
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're gonna have to place.

864
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: Maybe the atrium the only place to do at their stadium.

865
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: Well, does can that spill out? If there's two hundred

866
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: thousand people there, it could, Man good the geography of it,

867
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: I mean.

868
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: Basically everyone from Wisconsin is going to be there, so

869
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 4: I mean they'll get a good showing because the fans

870
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 4: are fanatical there too, which you appreciate. But if I was, like,

871
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 4: say a Bears fan, I'm really going to take a

872
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: trip when that's not even that far away. Will I

873
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 4: drive the green Bay wisconstant for the draft?

874
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: I guess, well, the funny thing is in back to

875
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 2: back years because you're gonna be driving to Detroit for

876
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: the draft the previous year. So Detroit gets the draft

877
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 2: at twenty twenty four and then in twenty twenty five,

878
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: green Bay gets it.

879
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 4: Jay, how many times you've been to green Bay? Four?

880
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: Four?

881
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 4: I think maybe if you agree with this, this assessment

882
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 4: of green Bay now the city itself, I'm I'm obviously

883
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: poop pointing on and making fun of it because, like

884
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: I said, if you want to go to somewhere, you

885
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: go to Appleton, which is somewhere in proximity proximity to

886
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 4: green Bay. That's where the hotels, that where the players

887
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 4: stay and the team stay. Because simply put, there's nothing

888
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 4: in green Bay.

889
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: Actually that has now changed. It has so the last

890
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: two times we've gone to Green Bay, they now have

891
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: like a waterfront wo and they have these bars and

892
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 3: restaurants and hotels in green Baytress. It's ten minutes away.

893
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember having to go to Appleton. Travel

894
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: was a nightmare. You'd either have to fly into green

895
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 3: Bay or Milwaukee. You could fly into Appleton if you're

896
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: playing with We.

897
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 4: Always flew into Appleton. But I say all that to

898
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 4: say the following about and I know I just may

899
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: really talk bad about Green Bay. When you're in that stadium,

900
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: there is like a spirit about it.

901
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: It is awesome And.

902
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 4: I cannot explain bo that you feel like you're in

903
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: football mecca where it's just like there's just a film

904
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 4: when you get on that football field and what it

905
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 4: represents and the grace that have gone through there and

906
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: what it means to the league and to the game itself.

907
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: That's just the presence about it that makes you want

908
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 4: to elevate your game just because you're walking on a

909
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: certain field.

910
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: I buy that. I mean, it looks different on television.

911
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: There aren't that many places left in the league, you know,

912
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: that have that has stadiums hard to play. There's one, absolutely,

913
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: yeah for sure, But there's a lot. You know, so

914
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 2: many of these stadiums are all kind of the same.

915
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: There isn't you know, there's not that much difference. There's

916
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: either dome or they're not, but they're they're all built.

917
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: There aren't that many old palaces left, you know, I mean,

918
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: baseball has Fenway and they've got Dodger Stadium, and they've

919
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: got Wrigley Field and they have that. And in college

920
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: football there's all sorts of all you got, yeah for sure, right, yeah,

921
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of those. I mean, we were smack

922
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: dab in between the Shoe and the Big House. So

923
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: we have we have those in spades in college football.

924
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: We just don't have them in the NFL. There aren't

925
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: that many places that have character, authentic character. Most of

926
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: them have been redone and bulldoze and new stadiums have

927
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: been put up in their place. Right, So the twenty

928
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: twenty four drafts we in Detroit, twenty five will be

929
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: in Green Bay. We also now know that Super Bowl

930
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: sixty will be Uh, you have San Francisco, but it's

931
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: Santa San Jose, San Jose, Santa Clara, San Jose, San.

932
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 4: Jose, right, so basically what it is. And so just

933
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: for those who are wondering, I grew up in the area. Now,

934
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: the weather patterns there are amazingly vary, like it is

935
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 4: here in northeast Ohio on the east side of the Bay,

936
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 4: which is Oakland, Berkeley, where I grew up, grew up

937
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: it can be frigid, and in San Francisco is definitely

938
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 4: gonna be cold and foggy, but in Santa Clair it

939
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: could be twenty degree difference in the weather patterns.

940
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: Is that is that something all because of the ocean?

941
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: All because of the ocean?

942
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: Wow? Wow?

943
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: Is it strange to you growing up in that area

944
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: that they couldn't find a place in San Francisco or

945
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: around there for that football stadium.

946
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 4: No, it's not strange to me because just the fact

947
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: of how that's with the bay right there and the

948
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: real and on top of that, because of the fault

949
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 4: lines and the hilliness of the area, it's one hard

950
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 4: to build places in the first place that can support

951
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 4: that structure. And then people are like, hey, from a

952
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 4: development standpoint, and with the political ramifications of things there,

953
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: people are gonna be anti the idea of housing going

954
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 4: to a stadium. That's just think about it, Oh, no question,

955
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 4: think about the Oakland situation. How do you let the

956
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 4: raiders leave? How do you let the a's now leave?

957
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: How do you do that?

958
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: It's just because it's I asked, because like, as a

959
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: kid and you grew up there, I didn't, but like

960
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: what some of the indelible moments of the NFL when

961
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: I was a kid is of Candlestick And is the

962
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: proximity that that had to San Francisco. I mean, it

963
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: felt like from my vantage point, and I don't even

964
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: know the geography of it. Maybe this is just the

965
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: perception and my vantage point, it felt like it was

966
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 2: right across the water from San Francisco.

967
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: Which park Candlstick Park? Yeah, oh well it was on

968
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 4: this It was on a San Francisco on the west

969
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 4: side of the Bay. Now, I was in this area

970
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 4: near call Hunter's Park, and that's a bad area quote

971
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 4: unquote if you will, but it's probably been gentrified now

972
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 4: in in San Francisco to where that was cheap real estate.

973
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 4: So it was easy to build that stadium there. And

974
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 4: it was hell getting out of there, that was for sure,

975
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 4: because one way in, one way out type of situation.

976
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 4: But yeah, that I mean the Giants played there and

977
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: the forty nine ers obviously played there, So that was

978
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 4: a duel hating bow that I hate it. There was

979
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: nothing worse than being on special teams or playing football

980
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 4: when the infield, the dirt infield is on a football field.

981
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: Imagine the change of terrain when you're going from grass

982
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: to dirt.

983
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's amazing that, like we remember going to

984
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: that Oakland Alameda Coliseum and they were still doing that

985
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: the last time that we played out. Uh huh, yes, correct,

986
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: with that dirt infield. Really you're still doing this. Yes,

987
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 2: it's amazing that they got away with that as long

988
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: as they did. We'll get Girod's quick thoughts on some

989
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: of the new acquisitions, especially the defense. Coming up next.

990
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997
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Speaker 2: go over some of the off season additions. There's been

998
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: a lot on the defensive side of the ball, from

999
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: Zadarius Smith to Rodney McLeod, the veteran Tristan Hill, obo

1000
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 2: Okoronquo as well Maurice Hurst coming in could be interesting

1001
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: one there with some depth one. Thorn Hill's going to

1002
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: be a dude obviously. At the back end, Dalvin Tomlinson's

1003
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 2: going to have to be that back there as well.

1004
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: In terms of it the defensive tackle position. When you

1005
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: think about how Andrew Berry reshuffled this defense and the

1006
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: fit that it is for Jim Schwartz's defense, do you

1007
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 2: like it? Did he answer all the questions that needed

1008
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: to be answered.

1009
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 4: Upon what was in on paper? I don't like it.

1010
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: I love it. It's exactly what you had to do.

1011
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 4: You had to revamp this defensive line, especially what was

1012
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 4: taking place up the middle and in the middle, and

1013
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 4: that if you're getting pushed back four or five yards

1014
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 4: routinely from the defensive front, you're not winning anything bo

1015
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 4: And it was really that simple. So you had to

1016
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 4: address that, and the fact that you got an anchor

1017
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 4: in Thomlinson right there starts the process of saying, hey,

1018
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 4: we're not going to get pushed around. We're gonna have

1019
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 4: big body guys in a position to where we can

1020
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: keep our linebackers who are undersize for the most part,

1021
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 4: in a position where their speed's not being and their

1022
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 4: size basically is not being used against them, because, believe me,

1023
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 4: if I'm an offensive lineman and I got some little

1024
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,919
Speaker 4: two hundred and twenty to forty pounds, dude, I'm gonna

1025
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 4: swallow him up, especially when I'm already pushing the lineman

1026
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 4: into him. So what he's done on the defensive line

1027
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 4: with getting big bodies and also going into draft and

1028
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 4: doing the same thing as well, I'm excited about that

1029
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 4: because you had to address that because we talk about

1030
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 4: football being a gladiator sport, and it's certainly is, but

1031
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: one of the quickest ways to take the heart from

1032
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 4: a football team is by running on them and physically

1033
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 4: beating them. Even though we have a lot of measures

1034
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 4: in the game now to make it more safe, if

1035
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 4: you will, that's still the best way to go if

1036
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: you want to take the heart from the football team

1037
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: is simply punished them physically by running it. And last

1038
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: year we on a lot of occasions we did not

1039
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: have an answer.

1040
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all, and it's a it's a

1041
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, to get them. You know, you mentioned this

1042
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: earlier in the show with the injury to Anthony Walker

1043
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: that happened earlier, like that just shut it all down defensively,

1044
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: like that was three steps back. When his injury happened.

1045
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: We were so dependent on him getting everybody in the

1046
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: right positions to succeed in terms of a setup standpoint.

1047
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 2: But now this big you know, Tomlinson, especially up the middle,

1048
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 2: Zidarius we've talked about, I know you've talked about on

1049
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 2: your show as well, and then hopefully Obo can give

1050
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 2: you what he gave, you know, Houston the last last

1051
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: six games of their season. From a in a layman's perspective,

1052
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: what will the biggest difference be from what Joe Woods

1053
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: did defensively to what Jim Schwartz is going to do defensively?

1054
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 4: I believe the biggest difference is going to be that,

1055
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 4: if Schwartz is true the character, you're gonna see more

1056
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 4: aggressiveness and it won't just be a situation where Okay,

1057
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 4: we're doing stunts to set Miles up to make plays

1058
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 4: or anything like that, but you're gonna see more involvement

1059
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 4: from a blitz package. Not to say that Joe Woods

1060
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 4: didn't blitz, but I gotta feel that we're gonna be

1061
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 4: more aggressive and get after guys. And you know what,

1062
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 4: do we have an all pro corner out there? Do

1063
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 4: we have.

1064
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: That's the other part, right, is you know, I know

1065
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: where you're I know where you're going with this. Like

1066
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 2: you say, look, we're we have a pretty good group

1067
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 2: of coroners to play man, right, and it feels like

1068
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: we're gonna be living in.

1069
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 4: That right, Right, we should be living in that.

1070
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: That's the strength.

1071
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 4: And I'm not here to put Joe Woods down or

1072
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 4: anything like that, but I'm always of opinion it's hard

1073
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 4: enough to find two guys that can cover in most

1074
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 4: cases on the football team, right, we legitimately have four

1075
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 4: that could cover. So I'm saying to myself, why are

1076
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 4: we in zone packages? Cause, in essence, as a defensive back,

1077
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 4: bow your perspective is if my coach's defense coordinators playing

1078
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 4: a lot of zone, he's preserving me. Zone is easier

1079
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 4: to play than men, especially if he goes the round

1080
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 4: of cover two and cover three or any cover two,

1081
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 4: three or four. It's just easier to do well. When

1082
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 4: you go man to man, you man up. That's putting

1083
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 4: more pressure on the cornerbacks, and that's saying, okay, we're

1084
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 4: gonna take more chances with the defense and ask you

1085
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 4: guys on the outside and on the inside on the

1086
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: slots and the tight ends to hold it down. So

1087
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 4: I'm expecting for us to do more man coverage and

1088
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: utilize the fact that we have four to five guys

1089
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: that have the capability of playing man to man coverage

1090
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 4: and not being conservative in the regards to not taking

1091
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 4: chances with man to men and bringing the house and

1092
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 4: bring the pressure. And when I say bring the house,

1093
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean bring everybody, but in this case, applying

1094
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 4: some similar pressure beyond the front four because I do

1095
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 4: think we got carping this that okay, And yes, Miles

1096
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 4: can get to the quarterback, and yes Jadavian can get

1097
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 4: to the quarterback. But I do believe that a lot

1098
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 4: of times we were so dependent upon your hands. Will

1099
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 4: be paying guys to do that. That's their job, but

1100
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with incorporating blitzes and blitz packages in

1101
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: order to get the job done as well. So I

1102
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 4: foresee some of that taking place as well, and not

1103
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 4: just simply saying, okay, with our four man pressure, that's

1104
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 4: all we're going to do to get to get pressure.

1105
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: But that again I'm about to contradict myself. The best

1106
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: way to stop an offense is with four guys, because

1107
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 4: then you can throw people in the coverage and confuse

1108
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: a quarterback.

1109
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that versatility is what you hope you see,

1110
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: and I think you will see from Gym's defense this year.

1111
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: You listen to a fifty ESPN Cleveland w kN R,

1112
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: a good Karma brand station, I do think, and I

1113
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: want to run this by you. I'm greedy now I

1114
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 2: acknowledge it. I want one more guy on the defensive front.

1115
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: I want one more Dtackle. And I think there's a

1116
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: lot of guys out there. I don't need them now.

1117
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: They can be somebody who comes in in camp. I'd

1118
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 2: love to see one more VET at Dtackle. I really

1119
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: obviously like we had to have Zadarius. You need to

1120
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: have somebody opposite Miles. But I do think I'd like

1121
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: to have one more space eater because if not, then

1122
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 2: one of the young guys has got to go. He's

1123
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 2: got to really become a dude, right.

1124
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 4: And I'm looking at Siaki saying, that's a lot, that's

1125
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 4: this is your And here's the thing, Bow, You're right

1126
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: in my wheelhouse as well, because I think we have

1127
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 4: the same philosophy. Whenever you're in a situation where you

1128
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: depending upon an unproven guy to be your savior. You're

1129
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 4: in trouble.

1130
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I especially with these stakes Gerrod, right, I mean

1131
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: this is this is it's time to go. We have

1132
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 2: too many guys in our prime. We have too many

1133
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: guys that were that are in their prime prime that

1134
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: we're paying. This needs to be a playoff run team.

1135
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: Like not saying super Bowl or bust or but you

1136
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: need to get into the postseason, win a postseason. You

1137
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: need to play a meaningful game in January. Uh, you

1138
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: need to win a meaningful game in January. I think

1139
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: that's the minimum standard with this team. And I to me, like,

1140
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: I look around the roster and that's just the one

1141
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: spot I still look at and go, boy, I'd love

1142
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 2: to have one more vet in there.

1143
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's totally fair. And a big body went

1144
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 4: at that. Now here's the thing I will say, because

1145
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 4: if you're Jordan Elliott, you have to be tuning in today.

1146
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 4: You'll be like, man, these dudes are giving me no

1147
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 4: love whatsoever. Now, he played a part in the defensive

1148
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,439
Speaker 4: line last year and what we describe as the guys

1149
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: getting pushed around and not being stout enough on the run.

1150
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 4: But I will say this in his defense, on days

1151
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 4: in which he was dominant and came to play the

1152
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: defensive front was a whole different issue and we won

1153
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 4: those games. So if he can find a way to

1154
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 4: be consistent, and that's the key part, find a way

1155
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 4: to be consistent, and that's what your practice habits, and

1156
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 4: that's what you're working out, and that's what you're studying

1157
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 4: those things. Doing those things to your fullest ability on

1158
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 4: a regular basis lead to consistency. Because he's shown signs

1159
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 4: that he can do it. So the question becomes, how

1160
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 4: do we get you to a place of consistency. What's

1161
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: with your preparation and how you approach the season and

1162
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: what you're doing on a regular, everyday basis to get

1163
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 4: you there. So I think we have a guy who

1164
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 4: has a talent to be that, but all right now,

1165
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 4: at this point, he hasn't shown that consistently enough. So

1166
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 4: I'm with you on the idea of, hey, bring a

1167
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: guy who has shown some level consistency with it, because

1168
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 4: the stakes are too high, and also for Siaki, maybe

1169
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 4: he can be that guy with a rookie, but you

1170
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 4: are still asking a guy who is not have a

1171
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 4: clue of what the NFL is liking. How it operates

1172
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 4: to be that guy is asking a lot, even though

1173
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 4: at some point he better understand that in order to

1174
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 4: keep a job.

1175
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just kind of the point where, like with

1176
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: what's at stake this year, I can't be Yeah, I

1177
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: can't be waiting on That's where I'm at. That's a

1178
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: great years ago. Fine, I'm past that. Like this is

1179
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: I'm showing me state guy, state of Missouri.

1180
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 4: Show me Missouri's right, you're in Missouri. Mone. You bring

1181
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 4: a good point, though, but I do feel that part

1182
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 4: of what we experience as a football culture was somewhat

1183
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 4: and you look at different positions when it took place,

1184
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 4: and it creates the malaise in that Okay, we're developing

1185
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 4: this guy, he may not and we're gonna give him

1186
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 4: oportunity for develop them. And when you have that development

1187
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 4: mode as a player, you're saying, well, we're in development mode.

1188
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: That means we're not in win mode because they're different.

1189
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 4: Develop mode is different than win mode. So I definitely

1190
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 4: believe the message has been sent across the board in

1191
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 4: every position group that there's no more giving in development positions.

1192
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 4: You better go out there and perform or you will

1193
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 4: not be on this football team.

1194
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it all right. Coming up next, one of

1195
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: Gerrod's old friends decides that he's going to get into

1196
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: the NFL from an ownership stake. We will get to

1197
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,400
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady officially buying a steak in the Las Vegas Raiders.

1211
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Speaker 2: A couple of questions for you on miss number one.

1212
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: If I would have told you when you knew him,

1213
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: when he was a young punk out of Michigan before

1214
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: he became the dude that this was all in the cards.

1215
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: Would you have said, oh, yeah, that's how this is

1216
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: going to play out.

1217
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 4: No, I would have said that that's.

1218
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: A lot, man, that's a lot. You'd bet I would

1219
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: have if you would have said that, I said that

1220
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: I'm taking you to Vegas. We're gonna go clean house, buddy,

1221
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 2: because that's see in the future. It's just a remarkable thing,

1222
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 2: isn't it, All of it, the whole run.

1223
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 4: Well, it ton'tally is well far as from a football standpoint.

1224
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: Knowing now after a Super Bowl and what he did

1225
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 4: the following season, I knew he was gonna be great

1226
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 4: because of the fact that he prepares like no other.

1227
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 4: And I love to tell the story. How we play

1228
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 4: the game against the Dolphins in Miami Monday night football.

1229
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 4: We lose on the last second touchdown of some sort

1230
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 4: to the Dolphins. We all fly back in and I

1231
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 4: have to stay over a night in the facility, and

1232
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 4: we get back at two or three o'clock in the morning.

1233
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 4: And I'm forced to say that because I hurt myself

1234
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 4: during the course of the game. So I walk out

1235
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 4: of the facility, and I see Tom with a stack

1236
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 4: and this is a Tuesday, this is our day off,

1237
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 4: a stack of tapes. And I'm like, what are you

1238
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 4: doing at three or four o'clock in the morning with

1239
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 4: a stack of cutups? And his simple answer was, my

1240
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 4: preparation has been shorten because of the Monday night game,

1241
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 4: so I have to prepare so that we're good to

1242
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 4: go on Sunday.

1243
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

1244
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 4: And when he said that and avery been believe me,

1245
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 4: he was the only person out probably outside of Belichick.

1246
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 4: I think Bill might even left. That was in the facility,

1247
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 4: the building, if you will. That told me right there, Okay,

1248
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 4: this guy's gonna be great. So point I knew a

1249
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 4: year or two later. But this whole deal with buying

1250
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 4: the Raiders, and you know what bo has struck me

1251
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 4: about that Raiders fans hate Tom Brady. How do you

1252
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 4: just go past that, forgive that, forget that and just say,

1253
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 4: you know what, that doesn't even matter.

1254
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: I think it's you know him. I don't. But when

1255
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: you think about the maniacal approach he took to preparation,

1256
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: and you think about how much of his life was

1257
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 2: wrapped up in that, I do think one of the

1258
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: one of the And I talked to a bunch of

1259
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 2: the bunch of buddies of mine who played in the league,

1260
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: and one of the big things that they deal with

1261
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 2: is when it's over, now, what what takes up my time?

1262
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: And I think for a lot of people, they say, oh,

1263
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: you play golf, you go on vacations. There's only so

1264
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 2: many golf rounds, there's so many, so many fishing trips,

1265
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: there's so many, so many guys weekends in Vegas or

1266
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: trips to Carnival and rio like. Eventually, you have to

1267
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: do something with your time of significance, of consequence, especially

1268
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: if you're someone who is so maniacal in the way

1269
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 2: they go about life. So I think Tom and again,

1270
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: you know I might don't, but my guess is he's

1271
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: trying to find something to fill that right and.

1272
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 4: On time of trying to find someone to fill it,

1273
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 4: he's also elevating hisself because one of the things that

1274
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 4: we sitting around the locker room and talk about is

1275
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 4: what would it be like to be an owner? What

1276
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 4: would it be like to be the guy? Heck, I

1277
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: guess I need a dream bigger because my biggest dream was, Hey,

1278
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 4: what would it be like to fly on the plane

1279
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 4: and I have to play the game. I've accomplished that,

1280
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 4: So for him, we talked about that though. What is

1281
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 4: it like to be an owner, to have a stake

1282
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 4: and a say in the everyday operations of the football

1283
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: team and what that represents. And it's funny too, because

1284
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 4: your hard press growing up in the Bay Area, and

1285
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 4: he grew up in the Bay Area. You either a

1286
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 4: Raiders fan or you're a Niners fan. And even though

1287
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 4: it's an NFC AFC difference there, you're hard pressed to

1288
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 4: find a situation where both are embraced by a local

1289
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,439
Speaker 4: Bay Area person. Hard to find that you're either gonna

1290
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 4: find that most people are, and I believe Nathan would

1291
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 4: apply to this too. They're either a Niners fan or

1292
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 4: a Raiders fan. Now, I became a Niners fan because

1293
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 4: when I moved there, the Raiders that also moved. But

1294
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 4: I was also a Browns fan because my first ever

1295
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 4: football card I got was a Brian Site football card,

1296
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 4: so I was already have had AFC squad and the

1297
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 4: Niners were my NFC team and they are obviously winning

1298
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 4: in the eighties, so that worked yourself out. But Tom

1299
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 4: and I would have conversations about the forty nine ers

1300
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 4: and about what they did to Joe Montana and what

1301
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 4: that represented, and how we cried about that, and that

1302
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 4: if they could cut him, then they could cut anybody.

1303
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 4: And I believe that always stuck with him in regards

1304
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 4: to how he saw his situation in New England. And

1305
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 4: you hear about the reports with Garoppolo and what that represented.

1306
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 4: I recall having conversations to and from practice because we

1307
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 4: carpooled together about those type of deals as kids growing

1308
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 4: up and watching that and being saddened by it.

1309
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1310
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 2: Well, the other part of this too is I mean

1311
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: Tom is one of the smartest guys you've said this

1312
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,919
Speaker 2: that you're ever going to encounter a lot of times.

1313
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: He plays chess while people are playing checkers. If you're

1314
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: going to buy a team with a really high ceiling

1315
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: but also has maybe a little bit of vulnerability and ownership,

1316
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 2: this is the one. You're in Vegas, You've got a

1317
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: brand new stadium. It is one of the iconic brands

1318
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: in professional sports in this country. Right. It is all

1319
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: of those things, and it's an owner who is not

1320
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: cash rich. So not saying that Brady has enough money

1321
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: to go try and take out you know, Mark Davis,

1322
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: but he certainly could put a group together that could You're.

1323
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 4: Playing some chess right now, my man. Yeah, I'm saying

1324
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 4: I see exactly what you're saying. It would be a

1325
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 4: lot of irony in that if that were the case,

1326
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 4: because Al Davis did not acquire that team through wealth.

1327
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 4: He acquired that team because he was the coach, and

1328
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 4: some things went this way and that way, and next

1329
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 4: thing you know, he finds himself being the owner of

1330
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 4: the Raiders. So that is how ironic would it be

1331
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 4: if that were to eventually be the case. And I'm

1332
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 4: pretty sure Tom is like, if you two don't shut.

1333
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: Up, well, I mean, he could easily be a part

1334
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: of a bigger play.

1335
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 3: Sure there you.

1336
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 2: Know now he's in there. And I mean, what is

1337
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 2: Mark Davis's relationship with Tom Brady? How could there be

1338
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: much of one? I guess he respects him and likes him.

1339
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: And Josh introduced him because I'm are you gonna come

1340
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,959
Speaker 2: play for me? Brought the wolf into the henhouse? Brother?

1341
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 3: Does he need the additional funds because he's I think struggling.

1342
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but like Brady's not gonna come with billions, No, but.

1343
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 4: A hundred million, A billion, a hundred million.

1344
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 3: But he brings along the Investors'll be careful what you

1345
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 3: wish for because your foot Yeah yeah, yeah, I.

1346
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: Mean, I just I don't know there's to me. It

1347
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 2: just seems like there's a lot to like about it

1348
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 2: from Brady's perspective.

1349
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 4: And I'm not to love you. Don't think he's gonna

1350
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 4: respect him from a decision making standpoint. So what do

1351
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 4: you think, Tom about this person, that person being hired?

1352
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 4: What's your perspective on this? So that is wide open,

1353
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 4: and he'd be foolish not to respect him. Man, Tom

1354
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 4: is smart. We know that. That's an understatement I just

1355
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 4: made right there. And so how to do these dealings

1356
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 4: and with guys like respecting his hustle and what he represents.

1357
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 4: Because one thing, if it's funny, like with Michael Jordan,

1358
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 4: he has not had success as an owner, no, and

1359
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 4: and I can I can see Tom though, having success

1360
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 4: because I think his approachability and his persona is different

1361
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 4: than Michael's. Michael has this air bottom where he's not

1362
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 4: approachable if you will, while Tom, hey, I'm Tom Brady, dog,

1363
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 4: I know who you are, and it's and it's totally

1364
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 4: a different deal. So I really do think that the

1365
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 4: way he is and how he interacts with people that

1366
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 4: that he be Because I always say this is about owners.

1367
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 4: The best owners have the ability to do the following

1368
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 4: to make you feel like it's not just about you

1369
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 4: plan for them, but you are invested in other elements

1370
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 4: of who they are as a person in their lives.

1371
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 4: And if you could pull that off as an owner,

1372
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 4: you're definitely gonna get guys more ingratiated towards you and

1373
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 4: want to help you build what you're doing with your

1374
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 4: football team or whatever endeavor that is.

1375
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's yeah, There's no question, it's yeah. And

1376
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 2: the other part of this too is is as a

1377
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 2: primary residence from a tax purpose, Nevada is very good

1378
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 2: for you.

1379
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 4: Texas you'll pick.

1380
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Nevada takes care of the wealthy. They will

1381
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: take care of you, my friends. So there's there's a

1382
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: lot of benefits for Brady. Do you think he'll ever

1383
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 2: work at Fox calling games?

1384
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 4: I mean, there's three hundred and something millions sitting on

1385
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 4: the side there though isn't.

1386
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: There reportedly, But I don't know. I just you know,

1387
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: is that a ten year, thirty million dollar deal like is,

1388
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm skeptical that he ever calls a

1389
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 2: game for them.

1390
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 3: And who was it that when he first signed that deal?

1391
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: It was it was Marshannon ol right, marsh I don't

1392
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 3: know if he ever sees that, he ever sees that deal.

1393
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if he ever calls a game there,

1394
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 2: And there's no he's obviously not doing it this year

1395
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 2: that I don't know that there's any plans for twenty

1396
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1397
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 4: In fact, he's not jumping right into it because I

1398
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 4: do the games already right there, put them behind it,

1399
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 4: because if you're gonna do it, that's something you just

1400
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 4: want to start doing prepping for and the reps and

1401
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 4: everything that goes along with it matters, because I could

1402
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 4: imagine him not want to be suspect doing it because

1403
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 4: he's not gonna be in competition with Troy. He's gonna

1404
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 4: be in competition with well Tony, Romo far As, who

1405
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 4: gives a better presentation of the game.

1406
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 2: And Gied. I don't know if you remember that. I'm

1407
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: sure you do, but I don't know much of our

1408
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: listeners do, Like remember his idol is Joe Montana Joe

1409
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 2: Montana was on television and was disaster, right, disaster. It

1410
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 2: lasted one year and he was gone. So Tom knows

1411
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: the absolutely, Yeah, really struggled. So I don't I don't know.

1412
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm skeptical to think that he would ever do it.

1413
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: We've talked about this story lot this offseason. Two months

1414
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 2: after requesting a trade, Austin Eckler will remain with Los

1415
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: Angeles for the final season of his contract. One point

1416
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 2: seventy five million incentives added to his deal. He's scheduled

1417
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: to earn six point twenty five million in the final

1418
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 2: year of a twenty four and a half million dollar extension.

1419
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: There.

1420
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 4: Oh, that's that California money right there. You hear six

1421
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 4: million and with a million point something on there, Austin's

1422
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 4: taken home two to three million after Texas.

1423
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, yep, that's it. That's the way that

1424
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: that thing's gonna go. This was not surprising at all,

1425
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 2: just surprising that he actually said what we've always thought,

1426
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 2: what I always thought about Roethlisberger, what he actually just

1427
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 2: said it out loud, like how selfish he is and

1428
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: how I mean self centered. It's it's nuts. This is

1429
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 2: a crazy thing. To admit on his podcast on pist

1430
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: so he has Picket on as a guest. It's football

1431
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 2: and with Ben Roethlisberger, he's looking Picket in the eye

1432
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 2: and he says, I'll be completely honest. I'll be super

1433
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 2: transparent here. I'm gonna get blasted.

1434
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 3: Now.

1435
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 2: This is me talking about him. Yeah, you should, he

1436
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: said quote I probably shouldn't say this, but who cares

1437
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,759
Speaker 2: at this point. I wouldn't say that I wanted Kenny

1438
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: to necessarily fail. But when someone comes to replace you,

1439
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 2: I still feel like I had it. I hope he

1440
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: doesn't come out because it's like Ben.

1441
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 3: Who, dude, you won them super Bowls? Like?

1442
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 2: What?

1443
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,520
Speaker 3: How too?

1444
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1445
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 2: How do you have so little secure self security, self

1446
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,840
Speaker 2: worth that you're hoping a team that is franchise, a

1447
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: fan base that gave you everything. You gave them everything.

1448
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 3: Could have turned yes earlier in your career when you

1449
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 3: were when you were a knucklehead, right, that's putting it

1450
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 3: nicely on.

1451
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 4: Because they saw the talent as well, Like, I don't

1452
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 4: know what we might tolerate this knucklehead, but here's the thing,

1453
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 4: here's what here's what it is we talk about and

1454
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 4: you spoke about it earlier, Bo, and I know you

1455
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 4: had conversation with guys about this. Your identity and so

1456
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 4: much of who you are is wrapped up in being

1457
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 4: a football player. And I don't care if you're on

1458
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 4: tonem Pole guy to the guy who's at a Ben

1459
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 4: Roethlisberger Tom Brady level. That's your identity. It's what you've

1460
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 4: known for the majority of your life. And so when

1461
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 4: that's coming to an end, you go through this phase

1462
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 4: of who am I? What am I? And you're in

1463
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 4: your twenties and your thirties and you're literally having a

1464
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 4: mid life crisis of what your life represents and will

1465
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 4: you be able to get the highs of the high

1466
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 4: or have you reached that point to where in this case,

1467
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 4: while you hear guys talking about their glory days in

1468
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 4: high school, or your glory days, if you have the

1469
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 4: wrong perspective, could be in your thirties or your twenties,

1470
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 4: because if you see yourself solely just as a football player.

1471
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 4: So you go through that, and then you start talking

1472
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 4: about legacy and what that represents and not being forgotten

1473
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 4: because it is an opiate, if you will, of the

1474
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 4: fan fare of the people telling you how great you

1475
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 4: are and cheering on you. I mean, imagine walking onto

1476
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 4: a situation where you have the command of sixty to

1477
01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand people and they're cheering you on and

1478
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 4: you can sense and you can feel it. That's not

1479
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 4: an easy endeavor to give up. So that's where he's

1480
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 4: coming from with it. But the other part, too, is

1481
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 4: is legacy and being remembered because he puts so much

1482
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 4: into it. And I'm sure he was happy as hell

1483
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 4: when Tom Brady decided to return another year, because you

1484
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 4: know what's gonna happen at that Hall of because he's

1485
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 4: the first Battle of Hall of Famer. Yep, no doubt

1486
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 4: about that, Ben Roethlisberger. But it would have been him

1487
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 4: and Tom in the same class. And who was going

1488
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 4: to headline that bad boy?

1489
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: Oh boy? Yeah, no question.

1490
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 4: And you think about silly stuff like that.

1491
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 3: Well that's the whole Rogers thing, right, Like, was Rogers

1492
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 3: going to retire? Was he really going to retire the

1493
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 3: same year as Tom? No? Absolutely not, I'm gonna play

1494
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 3: one more year. By the way, Rogers like pulled up

1495
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 3: lame or something in practice today, some ankle or something

1496
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 3: he was with Trainers that he was bizarre left the

1497
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 3: practice Field. I'm like you. I think I start there.

1498
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 3: We go Rogers.

1499
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 2: I'm sorry Roethlisberger did follow up with this to pick it.

1500
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: He said, as you started playing, I found myself rooting

1501
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: more and more for you. I wanted you to succeed.

1502
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 2: I wanted you to win games. I wanted you go

1503
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 2: to the playoffs. I feel bad that I felt that

1504
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: way early on, but I'm glad I transitioned to loving

1505
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 2: and rooting for you. Like he's almost like he's talking

1506
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Speaker 2: to doctor Belfie. No, he was Panos. Really, he's working

1507
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Speaker 2: out in a session, right.

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Speaker 4: Was correct me? If I'm wrong? Didn't Tony have a

1509
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 4: problem seeing rabbits all the time or.

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Speaker 3: Something like that?

1511
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Speaker 2: And I'm making that up. There was a ducks, Oh ducks, Okay,

1512
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Speaker 2: the ducks man, remember the ducks in his pool. He

1513
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Speaker 2: was always he was worried about those ducks. All right,

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Speaker 2: we will do a little bit of higher or lower.

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Speaker 5: Good to see you, Bud, Great to see you too,

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Speaker 5: doing fantastic and glad I am finally sitting at.

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Speaker 3: The undisclosed location.

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Speaker 5: I think the best undisclosed location I've ever been.

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Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's a location we do. We do

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01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: have now a neighbor in the proximity who is aware

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01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 2: of the undisclosed location. So it's breached it. Yeah, the

1535
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: security is we gotta get Frayane on the case. But

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01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't know that Fraine is the best relationship with

1537
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: Gibbey because Gibby was a wrap scallion years ago when

1538
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: we were being remember when we beat tracked, Just what

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01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 2: did we have? One was like dog takes.

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Speaker 3: I set those things off NonStop. Co the COVID detectors.

1541
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 3: They were like it was like the tracking devices. So

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Speaker 3: that was.

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Speaker 5: It was, That's what it was called.

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01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 3: The Yeah, there were little rectangle things to like track

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01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 3: every movie. You put them in your pocket or what

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01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: and that way or it was in your ID that

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 3: way they could track in case there was an outbreak

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01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 3: of the breach, who was and it would like them.

1549
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would break them all. That's fantastic.

1550
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:50,960
Speaker 3: I am in good standing with with the fine security team. Oh,

1551
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 3: they've given me gear now really, March I have security merch.

1552
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 2: Who cooked you up with that?

1553
01:14:56,920 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 3: Jay No Fraane Yeah at the top, buddy, Wow.

1554
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 5: I've never seen you wear that around the building.

1555
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 2: Wow, I have to miss waiting. I'd love I mean,

1556
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: I love the.

1557
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 3: It's judicious where and when I wear I said gear.

1558
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 2: Do you think it's judicious to admit that you have

1559
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: it on the official radio show of the Cleveland Browns.

1560
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 3: I mean I'm not, like, I don't I'm not exactly

1561
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 3: wearing it around all right, Like I've got it's a

1562
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 3: it's a nice little piece. You're safe keeping it. Yeah,

1563
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 3: it's not. It's not something that I wear often. Like

1564
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: my wife has actually said, like are you gonna wear that?

1565
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 3: And I'm like, only with you, sweetheart? So yeah around

1566
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 3: the homestead.

1567
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 2: Is it possible that he that he has outfitted you

1568
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 2: in that so you could pass off as your doppelganger?

1569
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 2: Like which one is it?

1570
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 3: Who is it?

1571
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 2: And after security?

1572
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 3: I have talked to my doppel about going as Hans

1573
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 3: and Franz for Halloween this year.

1574
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: That's good?

1575
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 3: Yes, all right?

1576
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: Time for a little higher, lower, better, worse hit Gibba.

1577
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 3: Yes, it is brought to you by your friends with

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Speaker 3: the Ohio Lottery. Jared Dubins cbssports dot com.

1579
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 2: Is this the guy we're always dealing with?

1580
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 3: Well, this is one of like the three there that

1581
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 3: we deal with. It is the twenty twenty three NFL

1582
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 3: Offensive Infrastructure rankings. I like it all right, So it's

1583
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,799
Speaker 3: a little different. I know the numbers on your sheets

1584
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 3: are a little off because they they essentially went from

1585
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 3: tier six to tier one, and I didn't want that.

1586
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 3: I wanted us to be able to kind of go

1587
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 3: to the top to bottom. We can start out their stuff. Yeah,

1588
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 3: so should the following team. So he put him into tiers?

1589
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 2: Should we explain this? So it's a one to five

1590
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 2: raised a little bit of a one is terrible, three

1591
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: is average, five is elite in the following areas. So

1592
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: they broke it down this way. Quarterback, play caller, offensive line,

1593
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 2: pass catchers, wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs. This

1594
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 2: is an important distinction. The scores were weighted so that

1595
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 2: the quarterback was the most important component of the offense,

1596
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 2: followed by play caller, offensive line, and pass catchers, and

1597
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 2: finally running back. So for example, that would explain and

1598
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 2: I think this is properly weighted, but it is important

1599
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 2: to know that it is weighted in that sense.

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01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 3: Fair, All right, ride, you're ready for a little higher

1601
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 3: and lower?

1602
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 4: Yes, I am nick, hit it higher or lower?

1603
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 3: All right, First things first, and it's up to bo

1604
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 3: Bishop to represent the organization good ranked in Tier three,

1605
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 3: number sixteen overall, higher, lower or just right just four purposes.

1606
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,959
Speaker 3: The team's three in front of the Browns, Vikings, Broncos Giants,

1607
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 3: the two after the Browns, Jets, Raiders.

1608
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 2: So we're sixteenth, we're six right in the midte they're

1609
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 2: claiming for we're right in the middle, that this is

1610
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 2: a right middle offense.

1611
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 3: And again they weighed running backs the least, even though

1612
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 3: we've got arguably the best running back in the league.

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01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 2: So they have Deshaun Watson. They gave Deshaun Watson a

1614
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 2: three grade. So just for perspective, they have Kirk Cousins,

1615
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: they have to a tongue of Iloa. They have why

1616
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 2: am I just blanket on my guy Jones? Geno Smith?

1617
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 2: Geno Smith is ahead. They have Deshaun Watson on the

1618
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:28,879
Speaker 2: same level as Jared Goff, just so we have an understanding.

1619
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 2: And I like GoF a lot, but let's be real here.

1620
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: They actually give Deshaun Watson the same quarterback grade as

1621
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine ers don't have a quarter

1622
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 2: don't currently. I guess brock Perdy I suppose is what

1623
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 2: they're doing. But this is the deal here we talked

1624
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 2: about this. Nobody wants to talk about Watson. No one

1625
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 2: wants to give Watson any credit for what he's done.

1626
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 2: So what the league has done, and with the people

1627
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 2: around the league who cover the league, at least from

1628
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: a national perspective, have done is they've just said, put

1629
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 2: him somewhere in the middle so we don't have to

1630
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 2: deal with it. There is no way that Watson is

1631
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 2: in the same tier with those players. There is no

1632
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 2: way that the Browns have or should be sixteenth based

1633
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 2: on this list. Like, for example, where would we have

1634
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 2: been the year after we make the playoffs with Baker?

1635
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 2: Probably like ten? Right, Like Baker would have for sure

1636
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 2: been a four. You're telling me Watson is a three.

1637
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, re ridiculous. I understand it. I know why

1638
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 2: they're doing it, but it's also absurd.

1639
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,959
Speaker 1: Better next higher or lower?

1640
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 3: All right? His top three? Number one, kc number two, Philly,

1641
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 3: number three, Cincinnati. Anybody disagree with the top three offenses

1642
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:42,720
Speaker 3: in that order?

1643
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 5: Poisl No, No, no disagreement from me.

1644
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,400
Speaker 6: I mean these are, like I think, undeniably the top

1645
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 6: three teams in the league, and it's all largely because

1646
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 6: of their offenses. Like arguably the three best qbs, arguably

1647
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 6: the three best wide receiver duos all on these teams.

1648
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 6: I don't think there's really any argument with.

1649
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 3: This, girod any argument with that.

1650
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 4: No, you can't argue with that. That's that makes sense,

1651
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 4: and again the production is going to prove it, So yes,

1652
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 4: I agree with that.

1653
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 3: Next, I.

1654
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: Would just say this, is it worth a conversation for

1655
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: Buffalo or the Chargers?

1656
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 5: Sure or not?

1657
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 2: Like, are those are those two teams offensively? Are they

1658
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: in that tier? I guess they're not better than those three,

1659
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:30,759
Speaker 2: But should that tier be bigger?

1660
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,040
Speaker 5: That was one thing I consider, But I just don't.

1661
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 6: I don't see it with the way that how far

1662
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,280
Speaker 6: all those teams have bands last year in the playoffs,

1663
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 6: how far the offenses took them, I don't.

1664
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 5: They're close, that's why they're one and two on them.

1665
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're right there next. I just you know, is

1666
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,839
Speaker 2: it that big of a separation for you, Gerrid? Between

1667
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: those three? And I'm asking, I'm not emphatic about it,

1668
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:54,560
Speaker 2: between those three and the Chargers in the in the Bills.

1669
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 4: I would say yes on this premise that for the

1670
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 4: Bills especially, it's too much owners put on Allen to

1671
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 4: run the football in order to generate a pass I

1672
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 4: mean a running game. If you take that outbot and

1673
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 4: give you more of a balance attack, because you can

1674
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 4: make somewhat the argument with Mahomes and the Chiefs. But

1675
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 4: Mahomes is Mahomes. So it's that's where you e lead.

1676
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 3: You and and that's where I that's where I'm a

1677
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 3: little bit. I mean Mahome with Mahomes, I get it.

1678
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 3: Best quarterback in the NFL. Right now, Okay, fine, Kelsey

1679
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 3: is Kelsey, but everybody else on that surrounding cast. It'll

1680
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 3: be interesting to see how things play out. But you

1681
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 3: got as long as you got Andy Reid call and

1682
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 3: plays and skiing up the offense. But I don't think

1683
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 3: that was factored in, was it? Yeah? It was?

1684
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 5: And you've got five.

1685
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 2: They have the best quarterback, they have the best play caller,

1686
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 2: one of the two or three best play callers. They've

1687
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 2: got a really good offensive line. They've got Kelsey, and

1688
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 2: this is my kind of theory on them last. They

1689
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 2: will be better at the skill positions this year than

1690
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: they were last year. If you're gonna get him last

1691
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 2: ye was a year when all those guys were rookies

1692
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 2: and young guys. That now, but checko more. All those

1693
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: guys have a year under their belt. They'll know even

1694
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: more what to do. It'll become even more second nature.

1695
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:10,719
Speaker 5: Kidarius Tony two another one.

1696
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right? Next higher core lower. All right, I'm

1697
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 3: gonna skip ed since we already just talked about the Chargers.

1698
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: The Chargers are four, the Bills five, the Niners six,

1699
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:25,440
Speaker 3: and it takes us to number seven and the Jacksonville

1700
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 3: Jaguar ap higher, lower or just right?

1701
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this is fine.

1702
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 6: I think there's a pretty big drop off between this

1703
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 6: spot on these rankings from the Chargers, Bills, and Niners.

1704
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 6: I even though the Niners don't have a quarterback, I

1705
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 6: still would take their offense over over what the Jags have.

1706
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,680
Speaker 6: I just trust Shanahan more than any other coach in

1707
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 6: the league when it comes to running an offense for

1708
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 6: the most part.

1709
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 5: But I mean, I'm fine with the spot for.

1710
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 6: The Jags now because they're getting back Calvin Ridley or

1711
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 6: getting Calvin Ridley to an already really productive offense and

1712
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 6: already really productive receiver room. Taking the factor Trevor Lawrence

1713
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 6: looked really good in the second half last year. Now

1714
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 6: he's got a potential one ride receiver who if he

1715
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 6: plays anything close to how he did in Atlanta, the

1716
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 6: Jaguars are going to be an even better offense for sure.

1717
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 3: GIROD would you put him higher lower? Or are they

1718
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 3: just right?

1719
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 4: I think they're just right, because I mean, let's give

1720
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 4: it Trevor Lewins and Peterson some credit. They took it. No,

1721
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 4: I did not anticipate them being playoff bound, especially after

1722
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 4: what we saw in the preseason. So what that means said,

1723
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 4: I think they are ahead of schedule and I think

1724
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 4: they're only going to get better, So I can live

1725
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 4: with them being where they're at right now.

1726
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 3: Bo I'm gonna ask you this, should these rankings, should

1727
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: Tier one have gone one through six?

1728
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 2: Well, that's gonna say.

1729
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 3: Or if the Jaggs start in Tier two because the

1730
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 3: Jags aren't as good as the forty nine ers, Bills

1731
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 3: are Chargers.

1732
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 2: No, But I also think that I'll say this, I

1733
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: think the difference between the Jaguars and the forty nine

1734
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: ers that is currently constructed with their quarterback situation is

1735
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,640
Speaker 2: less of a gap than, for example, the Jaguars and

1736
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 2: the Ravens, Like I think the Ravens have real questions,

1737
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 2: like people just want to anoint that and Lamar's great,

1738
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 2: but he hasn't been healthy in the last two years.

1739
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: We don't know what Munkin's going to do with that

1740
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 2: offense and who's he thrown to. So Odell has not.

1741
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 2: It's not twenty sixteen man for Odell. He's coming off

1742
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 2: with two catastrophic injuries. They drafted Za Flowers in the

1743
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: first round. The last time they drafted a wide receiver

1744
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: high was Rashad Bateman, and while I loved him at Minnesota,

1745
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: he has not been an impact player in the NFL,

1746
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 2: in large part because of injury. Like to me, the Ravens,

1747
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 2: like there should be a stop after Cowboys, that should

1748
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: be a stop. Like if you want to put the Chargers, Bills, Niners, Jaguars,

1749
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 2: and Cowboys in a group, fine, that's fair. They should

1750
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 2: be there. I think, quite frankly, the brown should be

1751
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 2: in that mix. And then I think that this next

1752
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: group Ravens Lions, then there's a little bit of drop.

1753
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 5: Are we addressing the Dolphins on this?

1754
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 2: I haven't got to them yet.

1755
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 5: We got would you put the Dolphins in there?

1756
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 2: I put them ahead of the I'd put the Dolphins

1757
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 2: ahead of it's just the two of health, but I'd

1758
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 2: put them ahead of Baltimore in Detroit.

1759
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,679
Speaker 5: Like, if two is healthy, then this is absolutely They're

1760
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 5: absolutely tier to for.

1761
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:58,440
Speaker 2: Offense next higher, core lower.

1762
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 3: All right to number two overall the Detroit Football Lions

1763
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: bo Bishop higher lower or just right.

1764
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you have to factor that Jamison Williams

1765
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: is gonna miss the first six games of the season,

1766
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 2: and he was great in very limited appearances last year.

1767
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 2: I think it's too high for Detroit. I think that

1768
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 2: they're way too high. I would not have them at

1769
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 2: this point. I think not so much that they're too high,

1770
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 2: but there are teams behind them who I trust more,

1771
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: namely and most especially Miami Seattle US for sure, Jets.

1772
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 2: I mean, the Jets at seventeen is laughable. Like all

1773
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: of those teams I would put ahead of Detroit Poisel.

1774
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 6: Yeah no, I mean, as both said, there's a handful

1775
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 6: of these Tier three offenses that I would probably put

1776
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 6: ahead of Lions, who I still think are going to

1777
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,600
Speaker 6: be pretty good. But yeah, no, Jamison Williams is not

1778
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 6: going to be there for those first six games. Who

1779
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 6: knows what's that that's going to mean for them. And

1780
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 6: then you add in the fact that they're gonna be

1781
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 6: relying heavily, especially in those first six games, on Jamier

1782
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 6: Gibbs and Sam Laporta, and those are Yeah, they're talented

1783
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 6: rookies that could have great NFL careers, but you know,

1784
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 6: they're still rookies and it might take them a while

1785
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 6: to kind of find their footing. And so for that reason,

1786
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 6: I would not have the Lions as a Tier two offense.

1787
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 6: I would probably signed them at least three or four

1788
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:13,879
Speaker 6: spots down.

1789
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 3: This list next higher lower, Dolphins at eleven, Seahawks at twelve,

1790
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 3: Vikings at thirteen, girod Cherry higher lower or just right.

1791
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 4: Ah Man the Dolphins at one point last season gives

1792
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 4: I had them going to the Super Bowl based on

1793
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 4: what they did against US.

1794
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I think we all did.

1795
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, that's a jugger not

1796
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 4: right there. So to his health obviously factors in as

1797
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 4: far as what they can do. But even with that

1798
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 4: in mind, they're one, I mean hill and then a

1799
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 4: running game. So I'm gonna say too low. I think

1800
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 4: it should be higher. Their top ten offense, no doubt

1801
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,759
Speaker 4: about top five.

1802
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 3: What about Vikings? Dalphn Cook? Is he gonna be a

1803
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 3: Minnesota Viking?

1804
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 4: They got playmakers outside and Kirk Cousins though he doesn't

1805
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 4: do anything from a championship standpoints, a quality quarterback. So

1806
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say there, you can make Garden for them

1807
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 4: being a top ten as well second.

1808
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 3: Tier Bishop Vikings high or lower or just right?

1809
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: Well, I would have Minnesota. I mean, I think it's

1810
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 2: probably gonna end up just right. I just think we

1811
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 2: need to rearrange this a little bit, like I think

1812
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 2: they're like ten twelve something like that. I mean, I

1813
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: don't know what's going to happen with Cook. There could

1814
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: be a buy out there justin Jefferson still right everything

1815
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 2: that he is. But who's opposite him now Jordan, And

1816
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 2: he's nice, but he's not. I don't think that they're

1817
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 2: in a level. He's the kid out of USC transfer

1818
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 2: from Pitt. There isn't anybody from A I don't know,

1819
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: I don't I would not they certainly. I don't think

1820
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:51,839
Speaker 2: the Vikings have a better offense than us for starters,

1821
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 2: so I would have them down. But that's probably the

1822
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 2: right spot. I just think you need to reorganize a

1823
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 2: big beef. At seventeen, Are you getting there?

1824
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Real said, we have two minutes left.

1825
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 3: I think we can all agree Arizona's the worst offense,

1826
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 3: although maybe depending on their weapons and who's around the

1827
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 3: jets at seventeen might be the biggest injustice on this

1828
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 3: entire ranking.

1829
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 5: That's what I was gonna say.

1830
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: Poison, I'll start with you and then Girott.

1831
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know how this like the fact

1832
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 6: that the Jets are seventeen, to me, invalidates the whole

1833
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 6: formula that they had here of waiting and things like that.

1834
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 6: I mean, look, I know Aaron Rodgers didn't have you know,

1835
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 6: it was a career worst leader year last year for him.

1836
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 6: But I mean we've talked about before when I've hopped

1837
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 6: on it's he is going to make that Jets offense better,

1838
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 6: even if he plays at the same exact level he

1839
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 6: did last year, because that's just how bad the Jets

1840
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 6: situation was. They have weapons at every single skill position.

1841
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 6: Breesaw's coming back, Garrett Wilson we all know is great

1842
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 6: now they've got his buddy al Lazard is there too.

1843
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 6: Like if you look at that offense on paper, and

1844
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 6: we think this can be a top six, top seven

1845
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 6: offense if.

1846
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 5: It lives up to his full potential.

1847
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 6: So the fact that it's on seventeen way way way

1848
01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 6: too low, I would put them much higher on that.

1849
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 3: I know.

1850
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 4: Same thing for me as well, because all the Jets

1851
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 4: needed last season and a lot of it's pretty much

1852
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,799
Speaker 4: a lot of these guys are coming back is competent

1853
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 4: quarterback play. You don't think Aaron Rodgers is going to

1854
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 4: give you that. I mean, you think his tank is

1855
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 4: that empty. So just on the premise of Rodgers being

1856
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 4: on the roster should have probably put you close to ten.

1857
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 4: What to consider the weapons that they have, because at

1858
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 4: the end of the day, it's what you surround a

1859
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 4: quarterback with, and they've given him a boat load to

1860
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 4: work with. Now the offense line can't come through, that's

1861
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 4: a whole nother story. But I think seventeen is way

1862
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 4: too low as well.

1863
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 2: They were seven and three with incompetency at quarterback before

1864
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 2: losing their last well they lose their last seven games, yeah,

1865
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 2: or six or last seven, whatever it ended up being.

1866
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 2: If they scored twenty four points a game last year,

1867
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 2: they are fourteen and three, Like he's gonna do that.

1868
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:51,080
Speaker 5: That's a first round by.

1869
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 2: That's come on, like they're doing that. The two teams

1870
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 2: they're done even more wrong than we are. We know

1871
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 2: why our ranking is what it is, but the Jets

1872
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:03,560
Speaker 2: are done dirty in this thing behind the Giants.

1873
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Giants. It'll never cease to amaze me that

1874
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 3: the love the off season. We've got to go to

1875
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 3: break that. The Patriots and the Giants continue to get

1876
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 3: Daniel Dimes.

1877
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 2: I'm sorry he ain't that. No, he's nice, but he's nothing.

1878
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 2: He's fine, not ap good stuff. Love to come here,

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Speaker 4: Well, we will certainly talk about the guardians and their

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Speaker 4: ills and hopefully they'll get better and continue talking about

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Speaker 4: what's going on NBA playoffs and what took place with

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01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 4: Lebron And.

1889
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 2: How about that pressers his own mortality?

1890
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think it's real, so we'll definitely

1891
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 4: give it to that. I don't either, but I need

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01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 4: some attention.

1893
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 2: How about Gibby hates Lebron like no, I mean the

1894
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: guy gave him eleven years of his prime and give

1895
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 2: he's like left championship.

1896
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 3: Left this set the altar twice? Quit us twice?

1897
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 4: Was this dame for Lebron? Was that high?

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Speaker 2: Whoa?

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01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:34,400
Speaker 3: Is that ridiculous?

1900
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Speaker 4: And attention.

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Speaker 2: The partition sign up per you a championship out of

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01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 2: the clear blue sky.

1903
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 3: Otherwise quit on us again.

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01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about those four straight finals appearances where he's

1905
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 2: the best player at four straight finals. No big deal,

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01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 2: all right, So you have that to look forward to,

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