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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big

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Speaker 1: life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they

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Speaker 1: mean for our psychology. Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the podcast. It is great to have

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Speaker 1: you here. New listeners, old listeners, wherever you are in

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Speaker 1: the world. Hi, my chronic overthinkers, all of my fellow

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Speaker 1: anxious friends out there, Welcome to this week's episode. Today

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Speaker 1: we are discussing the psychology of overthinking and chronic indecisiveness.

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Speaker 1: This has been raised by you guys again and again

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Speaker 1: as a huge challenge and experience in your twenties, and

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Speaker 1: personally I can really relate. I don't know why I

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Speaker 1: have not done this topic before, especially considering my own

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Speaker 1: personal experience. Overthinking is such amaze that really feels impossible

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Speaker 1: to get out of. Our thoughts can be so loud

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Speaker 1: this spiral where we feel like we have been thinking

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Speaker 1: about one small thing for hours and hours, or we

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Speaker 1: are absolutely paralyzed by indecision because what if we haven't

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Speaker 1: considered all possible outcomes? There is a psychological reason. A

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Speaker 1: lot of us find ourselves feeling this way and adopting,

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Speaker 1: i would say, a maladaptive thinking style. And with most things,

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Speaker 1: I think an explanation can be incredibly liberating. I personally

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Speaker 1: find it so infuriating when people talk about living in

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Speaker 1: It really overlooks so many of the deeper cognitive roots

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Speaker 1: like anxiety and ADHD. It's not all within your control.

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Speaker 1: There are so many hidden elements of overthinking that we

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Speaker 1: do not discuss. And then, of course there's the indecision.

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Speaker 1: We've spoken about the paradox of choice on the podcast before,

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Speaker 1: but essentially it's this theory that when we have a

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Speaker 1: become paralyzed almost by the possibilities. That's particularly pertinent, I

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Speaker 1: would say for those of us in our twenties, because

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Speaker 1: think we are typically presented with a lot of different

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Speaker 1: do I settle down? You know, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: that sounds like you, you are most certainly not alone.

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Speaker 1: I think although the experience of overthinking can feel incredibly isolating,

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Speaker 1: is that you kind of have the power to reprogram

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Speaker 1: that's really what I want to talk about today. We're

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Speaker 1: going to break down the mysteries of overthinking from the

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Speaker 1: origins and the reasons why we overthink, why it may

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Speaker 1: actually indicate a greater level of self awareness, how it

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Speaker 1: links to diagnosable mental health conditions, and some of the

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Speaker 1: leading theories and tips on how we can stop overthinking

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Speaker 1: not through rationality but through a bit of delusion and distraction.

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Speaker 1: I'm personally very much in need of this episode, I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you. And also, before we get into it,

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Speaker 1: special thank you to Nish, a wonderful listener from Sydney

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Speaker 1: who came up to me whilst I was eating sushi

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Speaker 1: pick this week's episode, so we all have her to

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Speaker 1: thank for this topic. I think, without further ado, let's

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Speaker 1: get into the nitty gritty around the psychology of overthinking

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Speaker 1: and indecisiveness. As always, let's start with the basics. What

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Speaker 1: actually is overthinking? Obviously, we are constantly thinking at all times,

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Speaker 1: because we become fixated and stuck on one thing in particular.

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Speaker 1: If you feel like you can't relax, that your brain

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Speaker 1: by mulling it over and over again and examining it

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Speaker 1: and you're ruminating about past events and you're kind of

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Speaker 1: And I think overthinking tricks us into thinking that what

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Speaker 1: we call analysis paralysis, whereby the more we think about something,

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Speaker 1: studies have shown that we consistently overestimate how much they're

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Speaker 1: There's actually a name for this in psychology. It's called aladoxophobia,

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Speaker 1: And I would say it's highly correlated with overthinking. The

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Speaker 1: may actually indicate that you're probably more self aware and

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Speaker 1: emotionally intelligent compared to the average person. Self Awareness, by definition,

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Speaker 1: the impact of your decisions. Elisa is unsurprisingly linked to

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Speaker 1: So why does this occur? That's the million dollar question,

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Speaker 1: Humans do not deal well with unknowns because unknowns present

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Speaker 1: primary symptom that may lead someone to seek an ADHD diagnosis.

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Speaker 1: You know, it might be that first kind of red flag.

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Speaker 1: If you can't stop overthinking, and you can't stop obsessively

434
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: thinking about something, maybe it's a sign that you do

435
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: need to seek professional help. If that is the case,

436
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: not all overthinking is generally indicative of a larger problem.

437
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: It is just a typical symptom for some people. So

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00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,959
Speaker 1: take it with a grain of salt and maybe go

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00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: and see someone if you're finding that it's really interrupting

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00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: your ability to function. Now that we've kind of discussed

441
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: the theories behind overthinking and the subsequent indecisiveness that tends

442
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: to come from it, I think we really need to

443
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: explore the ways in which we can bring this behavior

444
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: or this tendency under control. Part of that is understanding

445
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: the types of decision makers that we are and how

446
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: we can reprogram our brain to kind of ignore the tiny,

447
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: itty bitty details and ignore all the possible pathways and

448
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: just focus on the bigger picture. Back in the early

449
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: two thousands, these psychologists, they came up with this theory

450
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: that there are two types of decision makers in the world.

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Speaker 1: There are satisfiers and there are maximizers. Satisfiers they aim

452
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: for a good enough solution. They have a very clear

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Speaker 1: set of criteria that they are not trying to maximize,

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Speaker 1: but just satisfy. And when their criteria is met, when

455
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: they get what they're after, they're happy with that decision.

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00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: They're really happy with it. They are what we would

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Speaker 1: call highly utilitarian and practical. The example that people give

458
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: is looking for a new car that's a good one. Actually,

459
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Speaker 1: so if your like main criteria is like, I want

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Speaker 1: it to drive, and I want it to be under

461
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars, you'll find a car that drives under

462
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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars, you'll purchase it. You're not looking for

463
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Speaker 1: a car that can drive really really well and is

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Speaker 1: under three thousand dollars. You're not constantly looking for the

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Speaker 1: better option. You're just looking for something that meets or

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Speaker 1: satisfies those criteria. In contrast, maximizers are not satisfied unless

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Speaker 1: they have the best possible outcome, the perfect solution. But

468
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: often in aiming for that kind of perfect outcome, they

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Speaker 1: have very ambiguous criteria. It's really based on the right feeling.

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Speaker 1: And interestingly, in this study conducted in two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 1: they found that these types of decision makers are actually

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Speaker 1: less happy compared to satisfiers, because maximizers are constantly preoccupied

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Speaker 1: with the what if, What if I find something better?

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Speaker 1: What if something better comes along in the future, and

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Speaker 1: I've already accepted this other decision. They also reported more

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Speaker 1: avoidance of decision making in general, that chronic indecisiveness that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, and they're more likely to report impulsive,

478
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Speaker 1: spontaneous decision making, which sounds counterintuitive, but I think the

479
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: reasoning behind that is because they are so consumed with

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00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: overthinking what the best possible outcome could be that they procrastinate,

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Speaker 1: and when they actually do have to make the decision,

482
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Speaker 1: it's often closer to the deadline, or they do so

483
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Speaker 1: impulsively because they're so exhausted from this rumination from considering

484
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: all the possible outcomes that they no longer have the

485
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: brain space to actually make a proper decision, so they

486
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Speaker 1: do so spontaneously. In order to address our underlying tendency

487
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: to overthink and therefore that chronic indecisiveness, what we need

488
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Speaker 1: to do is shift from being a maximizer to a satisfier,

489
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Speaker 1: and that involves a few things. When you were faced

490
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Speaker 1: with a decision, narrow down the solution using chunking. This

491
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: is a psychological idea whereby a big group of information

492
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: is broken down into smaller parts and grouped by common

493
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: elements or easier problems. So this really allows you to

494
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: tackle a big decision by turning it into a series

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00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: of smaller choices, And it also allows our brain to

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00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: channel that energy we used to overthink into a meaningful

497
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Speaker 1: problem solving strategy, and it makes the problem less profound,

498
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: and it makes it seem less life changing when we

499
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Speaker 1: kind of take off those smaller chunks. So, for example,

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Speaker 1: someone actually messaged me with this conundrum they were having

501
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: the other day of choosing between two job options, and

502
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: one of them paid more, but the other one was

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00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: more aligned with what they enjoyed and what they saw

504
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: themselves doing in the future. Using that satisfied principle and

505
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: that method of chunking, we need to break down our

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00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: two options and break down that information using a series

507
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: of discerning questions. So in this example, you know, can

508
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: I live off the salary of the second job? Would

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Speaker 1: I be able to pay my bills? That's like a

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00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: minimum criteria for living. Then there's that second question of

511
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Speaker 1: what actually matters more to me? Right, now this is

512
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Speaker 1: personal preference and values, financial security, or workplace satisfaction. And

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Speaker 1: then let's look to the future. What are the opportunities

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Speaker 1: for promotion or further development? Which job is going to

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Speaker 1: offer me more in the next five years or ten

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Speaker 1: years around Korea development. From those questions, we can kind

517
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Speaker 1: of create a bit of a rudimentary pros and cons list,

518
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Speaker 1: So instead of feeling paralyzed by this big choice, we

519
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: can approach it as a satisfier would what are the

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Speaker 1: minimum conditions for my happiness here, and which of these

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00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: choices meets those minimum conditions. I think it's also to

522
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: remember that everything in life is temper and fixable. The

523
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: decision you make right now, it's not going to lock

524
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: you in for the rest of your life. You can

525
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: always admit that maybe you made a mistake or you

526
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: made the wrong choice and go back and fix that,

527
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: or also maybe even find yourself satisfied even though that

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Speaker 1: choice may not have been perfect. Life is kind of

529
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: what you make of it. So many times you think

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00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: that you will be more satisfied doing something else. But

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Speaker 1: the grass is, as they say, always greener on the

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Speaker 1: other side, so overthinking it isn't actually going to make

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00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: you happier or give you the outcome that you want.

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00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Another massive strategy. This is my favorite strategy. I personally

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00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: use this a lot when I'm overthinking, is to find

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00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: some way to make your thoughts tangible and organized. When

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00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: we overthink, everything in our brain feels like a mess.

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00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: It feels like this big group of like unruly vines

539
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: that have just tangled up in our brain. But there's

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00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: this saying that a problem on a page is a

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00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: problem halved. Hold that anxiety or worry or that thought

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00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: in your mind. Grab a pen and paper, and spend

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00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: twenty thirty minutes, however long, writing down every single aspect

544
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: of the problem that is concerning you, every possible ramification,

545
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: every possible element. Get those thoughts out into the open,

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00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and you'll suddenly find they are a lot more manageable

547
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: because you're actually able to do something productive with them.

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00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: You feel like you've done something useful. I also find

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00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: that it can really minimize some of our own internal delusions.

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00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: Sometimes things that seem highly probable in our brain can

551
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: sound so silly when we speak them out loud or

552
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: when we put them in writing, because we let our

553
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: minds process that information in a different format. It's the

554
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: same reason why talking about a problem with the friend

555
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: often helps us ease our anxiety and tendency to overthink,

556
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: because when we speak it out loud, we kind of

557
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: see how irrational we might be, you know, how irrational

558
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: we might be. And I think that kind of tactic

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00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: of making what is normally internal external and making it

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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: tangible has personally really really helped me out. Distraction also helps.

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00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: I know that sounds like a cop out, but sometimes

562
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: we just need some peace and quiet and we want

563
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: to give our brains a rest. Telling yourself to stop

564
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: thinking about it will never work, but making it harder

565
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: for your brain to think about it does. Our minds,

566
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the day have limited space. So

567
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: when we fill up that space with a challenging activity

568
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: like doing a puzzle or listening to a podcast and

569
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: going for a run, or reading a book and listening

570
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 1: to music, something that activates multiple parts of our brain,

571
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: we kind of jam all the channels, meaning that our

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00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: anxiety is overthinking and our indecisiveness and those problems that

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00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: we have or those thought patterns they can't get through,

574
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: and it makes it really difficult for our brain to

575
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: ruminate on them obviously, though I think would be unethical

576
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: if I didn't say that this is a short term solution,

577
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: and sometimes we do need to go a lot deeper

578
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: to kind of identify those bad mental habits and what

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00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: we would call automatic negative thoughts in psychology, so an

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Speaker 1: automatic negative thought, it refers to a pattern of negative

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Speaker 1: thinking that interrupts our ability to make decisions. This ranges

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Speaker 1: from things like overthinking, but also fortune telling, which is

583
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: an element of overthinking, and overgeneralizations, should statements, I should

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00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: do this, I should have done that, and also jumping

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00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: to conclusions, feeling like you know what's going to happen,

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00:37:54,680 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: catastrophizing in a situation. We can train ourselves to identify

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: when these types of thoughts are present and deliberately refocus

588
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: our thinking. Catch the thought, write it down, examine the

589
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: evidence for it. Why do you think that you're going

590
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: to fail? Why do you think those people don't like you?

591
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: Why do you think you're making the wrong decision? Why

592
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: do you think that person is mad at you? Is

593
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: there evidence for this thought or is it just an

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00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: automatic negative thought that you've internalized. Part of that is

595
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: also going to see a therapist or a psychologist, someone

596
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: asked me the other day, like, is therapy actually worth it?

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Speaker 1: I think that in these situations, in all situations, it

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00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: actually really is because this person is completely impartial. Their

599
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: only focus in those sessions is to tell you the

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00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: truth and help you through your problems. So what they're

601
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: going to do is really call you out for your

602
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: negative thought patterns, for your automatic negative thought thoughts. They're

603
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: going to hold you accountable when you're overthinking, and kind

604
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: of act that you know, as that voice of reason,

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00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: that person who interrupts those thought patterns as they are

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00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: occurring and asks you to correct them. You know, is

607
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: this actually helpful? Is thinking about this really going to

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00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: give you a solution? The chances are probably not. Like

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00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: we said, overthinking tricks our brain into thinking that if

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00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: we mold something over a million times over, if we

611
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: ruminate on it enough, somehow, some new solutions, some new

612
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: outcome will be discovered. And I don't really think that's

613
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: ever the case. You don't really have to do it alone.

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00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: I think that's the final message here. You know, it

615
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: can be really paralyzing and really difficult, and I think

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00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: it's worth considering what level of professional help is needed,

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00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, fear of failure, perfectionism, anxiety, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Your twenties should be a time for freedom and getting

619
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: to enjoy all of those precious moments and all those

620
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: little joys without constantly worrying about what comes next or

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Speaker 1: who thinks what about you? So I would say, from

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Speaker 1: one chronic thinker to another, I really hope you find

623
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: that piece, and I hope that this episode has been helpful.

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Speaker 1: I guess my final reminder for the day is where

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00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: you place your attention is where you place your energy.

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Speaker 1: And although sometimes it can feel like our thoughts are

627
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 1: in control, that is not the case. It is your brain,

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00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: It is your mind. You have the ability to kind

629
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: of sort through the rubble, sort through the mess, and

630
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: select what you want, select what you want from all

631
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Speaker 1: of that, select what you want from the chaos. Also,

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Speaker 1: you know as much that as it is a really

633
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: common tendency, I think it's also really valuable to just

634
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: quickly return to that point. A lot of this is

635
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: to do with things that are outside of our control,

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00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: this need for a sense of certainty. Even some of

637
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: those neurotransmitters like Gabba, those are really kind of the

638
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: culprit in this situation. So it's not some personal flaw.

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00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: It is sometimes just the way that our brains are wired,

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00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: and you don't need to fix yourself in order to

641
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: cope with that thought pattern. I think that's a really

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00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: a really good place. Actually, I want to I kind

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00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: of want to end things, because, yeah, I just think

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00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: sometimes in my own personal life, I find myself overthinking

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00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I just wish I could stop thinking

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